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The Unofficial Gilded Age After Show - Episode 2
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- Опубликовано: 3 фев 2022
- On the second episode of The Unofficial Gilded Age After Show, Stacey McSorley joins Amanda and Kelsie for a conversation about art, power, and the all-important charity bazaar. #GildedAgeHBO
From my perch here in the SF bay area, little has changed. Every hospital has a Silicon Valley billionaire’s name on it. The ballparks have Silicon Valley names on them and many more examples. If only they’d update public transportation with that money but that does not have the same wealth announcing cache.
I finished the Gilded Age and now I am hooked in finding the history.
I am so glad to find this channel.
Mixing the real history with the fiction in show, is perfect.
The houses. 61st and 5th is the spot of the Plaza, opposite park.
Really enjoying these episodes, you guys provide insight and structure to the show, very cool! And I like the exchange of views, you guys make a great team. I’m not a Downtown Abby fan, but this show has been off to a good start. I’m interested in this era of history, particularly the business aspects, the character and relentless drive of the men and women. Keep up the great work, thank you!
Thanks so much for tuning in! The Gilded Age is a fascinating time and we've been enjoying unpacking it all through the lens of the show.
Mr Russell bought out the charity bazaar for twice what they hoped to raise, and all the ladies had to go home because their pretext for being out of their homes was ripped out from under their feet. It wasn’t respectable to be out without a decent purpose.
I love these episodes where you explain the real Gilded Age using the fictional characters from the series as the basis for the discussion. I know this series is based in New York, but I assume every large city had its own "new money" or nouveau riche. Cleveland had a Millionaire's Row of mansions which are mostly gone now. People like John D. Rockefeller started in Cleveland and left for NYC just like the Frick family left Pittsburgh. Can you talk about other "new money" families who started in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Chicago, Boston, etc. during the Gilded Age? I know we think of NYC as THE place for the Gilded Age, but I am sure cities all over the country had similar "new money" families with insane wealth and huge mansions. I would assume smaller cities in the Midwest accepted some of these families more than NYC because they didn't necessarily have many "old money" families to start with, but I could be wrong.
There were absolutely "new money" families all over the country who made their fortunes in a variety of industries. We'll try to answer this question more fully in another episode!
If I am not mistaken, on a tour of The Frick Collection in New York City we were told that Mr. Frick did not want war or battle scene paintings in his home. A nice approach.
That's a fair assessment. Historical genre paintings of battle scenes were not something he was very interested in collecting.
It’s like when Christopher gives the money to finish the bridge at the stars hollow knit-a-thon…
Art till this day, isn't taxed. Buying and reselling.
Thanks, I'm enjoying your collective take on the show and the era it represents.
Your discussion of the "City Beautiful" movement reminds me of Yale Professor Vincent Scully's famous comment on the demolition of the 1910 granite McKim, Mead, and (Stanford) White Pennsylvania Station, and its replacement by the ugly, 1960's, "station-in-a-sub-basement":
"One entered the city like a god. One scuttles in now like a rat"
Whatever one thinks of the arguably patronizing views of the Gilded Age aristocrats, they left us with institutions that now belong to all of us: Grand Central, the NY Public Library, Carnegie Hall, the Metropolitan Museum, etc. etc. Although the "civic virtue" of the Gilded Age rich was fragrant with hypocrisy, are we better off with the behavior of our current crop of billionaires?
That's an interesting point!
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Although it was discussed I just wanted to make a few points; it should be noted that it has been the accepted convention that a large full length portrait was usually limited to rulers or the high aristocracy of both church and state. Even today although it is not prohibitively expensive to have a life sized portrait of oneself it would be regarded as being rather in bad taste not to mention egotistical to have it in an ordinary home. Also the point about Mr. Russell shutting down the charity sale, I explained to a friend that it would be if Bill Gates by making a large donation shut down the Met Gala (if it lasted 3 days) just before the event when all the guests had bought their outfits. One of the functions of the grand houses in general regardless of where they are was to provide the venue for social events where much of the behind the scenes deals could be made as much of those types of discussion could not be made in council chambers. The grand mansion was not only for those rich and powerful families to show off (although that was a considerable part of it). It was a venue to enable sensitive discussion to be had away from public and press eyes and that's where the wives exercised their power and influence. Otherwise for the occupants of these great houses it would be rather pointless given the lever of inconvenience and discomfort of having such a vast home for a single family even then.
I'm in the UK and am enjoying the Gilded Age a lot, but I loathed the Russells from the minute they appeared on screen! Everything they do grinds my gears and as for the bazaar... I don't think I've ever had such a profound mouth agape, clutch my pearls reaction! I'm not sure why Mrs Russell was looking so pleased with herself, for her husband's show of vulgarity would surely mean the kiss of death for her social endeavours.
I cant stand her. I know i am supposed to like her but i cant
I was expecting you guys to talk more about the show but you went on and on about statues
tenant ? indignant ?
31:57. “ Infirmary for INDIGNANT women and children”?
Do you even know what you said? Indignant is arrogant Or angry. You want to read the word INDIGENT, which means poor or without necessary means.
You all refer to the term as condescending. I’m curious why you think that. I don’t see anything wrong with having a charity for indigent people. Do you really?
I enjoy your podcast so far. This is only The second one I’ve listen to at this point, but I have noticed more than one instance poor usage of grammar and poor Literacy skills displayed And I ask myself, is this what colleges are putting out these days.? Is this the level of competence that gets one a decent job with a museum?
I only went to high school, and in Philadelphia, which is one of the lowest rated school systems in the country, and I still think I have a better grasp of the English language than the average college student.
I come from a time when teachers still used red ink to correct spelling and grammatical errors even on Math and history papers. That was a time when the teachers actually knew how to speak English themselves. And it really wasn’t all that long ago.
It’s pretty sad.
My goodness, the level of education behind this 3 way conversation is tremendously lacking. I tuned in to your first podcast thinking you might be able, through the Frick/Pittsburgh lens, of adding to the understanding of this era. However, you left the Frick connection behind and started discourse on the Aesthetic Movement, the Stebbins sculpture in Central Park, and the societies that funded "indignant" (sic: indigent) women. Good lord, girls, stick to what you know. You are mischaracterizing much. The City Beautiful movement is a later phenomenon and Central Park is not an example per se.
And your expertise on that is what?
@@manuferguson6564 Thank you for enquiring. I have a Ph.D. in the history of 19th century American art and a career of working as curator in American art museums. My ph.d. coincidentally is from the University of Pittsburgh.
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