I agree with Trudy Coxe--this is a great show. Of all the RUclips channels that give reviews, etc., on The Guilded Age episodes, including the HBO aftershow, this is my favorite. Good work, ladies!
It's so cool that HBO is so respectful and non-destructive of the historic buildings and also bringing revenue to the area during a time when people are travelling less. Good to know. I'm very interested in all the sets.
Great discussion. Always happy to hear more about Newport. (And I visited Clayton when I was in Pittsburgh many years ago). Although the commentator didn't say it explicitly, the term "walker" (used to describe Ward McAllister) implies a gay man who accompanies a socialite to events for which the socialite's husband has no interest (or time) - stylish men who were good company, but were understood not to be a threat to the socialite's marriage. Since one part of Nathan Lane's career has been playing gay characters, the choice to cast him as McAllister could imply that he was a "walker" type, though I couldn't quickly find any reference that the real McAllister (married with three children) was also homosexual. -
That's for sure why George said to get Clara there immediately, was for optics. He wanted to appear to care about the injured so people wouldn't shun his railroad.
This podcast is so much better than the official HBO podcast. I went to Newport back in 1990 the weekend of Thanksgiving. We easily saw 11 mansions. One mansion was more amazing than the next. Such variety! The mansions had no crowds at the time we went. Everything was decorated for the holidays. If you get a chance to see them GO!!!! They are just fabulous.
We took a house which fronted on Narragansett Bay in Newport; it was a house that originally had been a 4 room merchant's colonial house, which when we were there had been added to by every owner since that time. I was never so happy in a house. Between the historical house, the sea air, the qualities of the light, years of my NYC migraines were blown away out over the bay. And of course, I loved going to see the houses, it reminded me of seeing them the first time with my mother when I was little. We were at one of the Vanderbilt houses and she noticed a falling chair ruffle and she remarked, "I saw such a torn ruffle down at the White House; what were they all thinking?!" One other thing: from where we lived, looking south over the Bay, there was on the other shore, a summer colony for "comfortable" People of Color, BUT only for POC who were very, very "fair skinned," or almost light skinned enough to pass. I was told that most of them had their roots in colonial or certainly, no later than, ante-bellum Rhode Island. But I never found the place myself.
Love, love, love this episode. It’s amazing how you learn a bit more about this period from people who are passionate about their causes, interests, and history. For individuals interested in learning more about the Gilded Age, there are several podcasts that cover the historical events, and in depth information about various individuals who impacted the era. Four of my favorites are The History Chicks, Stuff You Missed in History Class, The Bowery Boys, and Wondery’s American History Tellers.
It is significant that the point was brought up that the argument could be make that one of Alva's motives for forcing the marriage of Consuelo to the Duke of Marlborough was to give her daughter a career beyond that of being a society wife and the littleness that that existence entailed. It should be recalled that at this period that particularly the English aristocracy wielded actual power in that they sat in the House of Lords in parliament. This meant that their wives had corresponding influence in both society and in government in a way that most other European nobles did not. It is significant that a small number of society ladies were Mothers Superiors of Roman Catholic/Episcopalian/Anglican convents (Katherine Drexel). The Mothers Generals of some of the larger religious orders were the period equivalent of a CEO and convents were the only all women institutions where women decided matters of practice and leadership by vote. Even the habits worn by nuns provided a particular form of freedom the way that police uniform did in that a nun in a habit could be go practically anywhere and not be questioned in a way that the typical 'lady' could not. Re; Miss Russell's hair. I'm assuming that the issue of her hair being down is a mark of her girlhood in that she has not had her official debut and so from a social standpoint she is not left the nursery so to speak. Perhaps Mrs. Russell is trying to present her as being younger than she actually is since she is not 'out' and once she has been presented to society like the ladies in the cartoon she will start to wear her hair up.
Dear Kelsie, I absolutely love your show… however your use of “sort of” as a bridge in all your episodes… it is incredibly distracting …. Could you please please pay attention to that as you present episode 6!
I agree with Trudy Coxe--this is a great show. Of all the RUclips channels that give reviews, etc., on The Guilded Age episodes, including the HBO aftershow, this is my favorite. Good work, ladies!
It’s so fun to join these conversations! Thanks for being with us :)
Thank you for watching!
It's so cool that HBO is so respectful and non-destructive of the historic buildings and also bringing revenue to the area during a time when people are travelling less. Good to know. I'm very interested in all the sets.
Love to hear that’s been the experience! It brings the period to life!
As a former guide at The Breakers, so nice to see and hear Trudy Cox! Great information!
Wonderful as always ladies.
The Newport house tours are fabulous!
Great v-log. Fun fact, Consuelo Vanderbilt's second husband Jacques Balsan, was the younger brother of Coco Chanel's Balsan.
This is such a phenomenal podcast - thank you so much for linking the history in the show with all the great locations
Great discussion. Always happy to hear more about Newport. (And I visited Clayton when I was in Pittsburgh many years ago).
Although the commentator didn't say it explicitly, the term "walker" (used to describe Ward McAllister) implies a gay man who accompanies a socialite to events for which the socialite's husband has no interest (or time) - stylish men who were good company, but were understood not to be a threat to the socialite's marriage.
Since one part of Nathan Lane's career has been playing gay characters, the choice to cast him as McAllister could imply that he was a "walker" type, though I couldn't quickly find any reference that the real McAllister (married with three children) was also homosexual. -
the way i like the unofficial more than the official
That's a huge compliment! Thanks for watching!
My favorite episode so far. You ladies are so knowledgeable and the conversation was fun and not stuff or stilted. Love it!
Thank you!
That's for sure why George said to get Clara there immediately, was for optics. He wanted to appear to care about the injured so people wouldn't shun his railroad.
This podcast is so much better than the official HBO podcast. I went to Newport back in 1990 the weekend of Thanksgiving. We easily saw 11 mansions. One mansion was more amazing than the next. Such variety! The mansions had no crowds at the time we went. Everything was decorated for the holidays. If you get a chance to see them GO!!!! They are just fabulous.
Wow, thanks for the high compliment!
We took a house which fronted on Narragansett Bay in Newport; it was a house that originally had been a 4 room merchant's colonial house, which when we were there had been added to by every owner since that time. I was never so happy in a house. Between the historical house, the sea air, the qualities of the light, years of my NYC migraines were blown away out over the bay.
And of course, I loved going to see the houses, it reminded me of seeing them the first time with my mother when I was little. We were at one of the Vanderbilt houses and she noticed a falling chair ruffle and she remarked, "I saw such a torn ruffle down at the White House; what were they all thinking?!"
One other thing: from where we lived, looking south over the Bay, there was on the other shore, a summer colony for "comfortable" People of Color, BUT only for POC who were very, very "fair skinned," or almost light skinned enough to pass. I was told that most of them had their roots in colonial or certainly, no later than, ante-bellum Rhode Island. But I never found the place myself.
Is that POC place Martha’s Vineyard?
I love these videos! I learn so much, thank you! 🌷
Thanks for watching!
Love this podcast about my favorite show!
Thank you for watching!
@@frickpittsburgh What a fabulous review, thank you. Cheers.
Love, love, love this episode. It’s amazing how you learn a bit more about this period from people who are passionate about their causes, interests, and history. For individuals interested in learning more about the Gilded Age, there are several podcasts that cover the historical events, and in depth information about various individuals who impacted the era. Four of my favorites are The History Chicks, Stuff You Missed in History Class, The Bowery Boys, and Wondery’s American History Tellers.
All great suggestions to learn more about the period! Thanks for sharing and for watching the show.
It is significant that the point was brought up that the argument could be make that one of Alva's motives for forcing the marriage of Consuelo to the Duke of Marlborough was to give her daughter a career beyond that of being a society wife and the littleness that that existence entailed. It should be recalled that at this period that particularly the English aristocracy wielded actual power in that they sat in the House of Lords in parliament. This meant that their wives had corresponding influence in both society and in government in a way that most other European nobles did not. It is significant that a small number of society ladies were Mothers Superiors of Roman Catholic/Episcopalian/Anglican convents (Katherine Drexel). The Mothers Generals of some of the larger religious orders were the period equivalent of a CEO and convents were the only all women institutions where women decided matters of practice and leadership by vote. Even the habits worn by nuns provided a particular form of freedom the way that police uniform did in that a nun in a habit could be go practically anywhere and not be questioned in a way that the typical 'lady' could not.
Re; Miss Russell's hair. I'm assuming that the issue of her hair being down is a mark of her girlhood in that she has not had her official debut and so from a social standpoint she is not left the nursery so to speak. Perhaps Mrs. Russell is trying to present her as being younger than she actually is since she is not 'out' and once she has been presented to society like the ladies in the cartoon she will start to wear her hair up.
Love this!
Keep pushing those deep cultural and economic questions!!
Been to Newport and was in the Vanderbilt home
My son was married in Newport not far from Jackie Kennedy once lived
Dear Kelsie, I absolutely love your show… however your use of “sort of” as a bridge in all your episodes… it is incredibly distracting …. Could you please please pay attention to that as you present episode 6!
And “you guys's” !!! 4:37 😳
“Your website,” or “The Preservation Society’s website,” NOT “You guys’s website.”
Now “your guys’s.” Ugh!