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Stupidity of Fleet carriers - in numbers! [Elite Dangerous]
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
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You forgot to mention the penalty cost for jumping...
oh FUCK
Including not only the jump repair cost, but the cost of fuel itself.
To be fair, that’s about the ONLY penalty that actually makes sense to some degree...
Wouldn't be so bad without the massive cooldown
Wayne Stuart and all of the hassle with it ..
What happened is that this game is developed by people who don't play it.
What did you expect? Who wants to play a broken game? :P
They did and got bored.
Same as many other games that went sideways, fortnite is a prime example
NineTines
The issue isn’t that they don’t play. It’s that they make custom scenarios and missions for themselves and have unlimited resources without having to work for any of them.
Latte
Well it depends on what the guy does. If he’s doing something like programming things to balance server load he doesn’t need to know anything about gaming.
It’s not even the “devs” as in programmers that are the issue. It’s the project managers and the feature teams that come up with this stuff that are to blame. Not the people who just implement what they’re told and have no say in how things work or what they cost.
I love how the FLEET CARRIER by default doesn't even do the FLEET CARRIER thing
Shut up Bob
This must be an old comment my fleet carrier does carry my ships.
The thing that distresses me most with this stuff is that Elite: Dangerous could have been a truly groundbreaking game that defined the genre.
However - the lazy world building, the constant need to add grind to cover up the lack of world building or gameplay and inability of Frontier to understand what makes the game fun have almost killed it.
Elite is the game I have the biggest love-hate relationship with. It has some truly amazing visuals, the experience of exploring the milky way, the feel of the cockpit etc. etc. create some amazing experiences - and the community has had some amazing moments. The Fuel Rats being one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. There have been awesome moments - like when players first encountered the Thargoids or when the Thargoids first started attacking stations they managed to create a wonderful experience. When I first experienced this game it was in VR with full joystick controls at Insomnia Gaming Festival - it was one of the most promising VR experiences I have ever had.
But it's things like how the Capital Stations for the Empire and the Federation are *identical* - a completely wasted opportunity for world building. That the three factions don't really mean anything in the game beyond adding a grind system. And, worst of all, how unlocking new content requires absurdly repetitive game loops that turn what would have been interesting scenarios and encounters into a repetitive grind.
One of the worst things I experienced with the game was when I decided to get the Corvette... the gameplay loop I had to go through to unlock it genuinely made me feel ill.
The carriers are yet another example of what could have been a really exciting gameplay mechanic that added to the game - they *do* look fantastic afterall - have been completely squandered by frontier's need to create repetitive gameplay loops.
Done right this game could have turned Frontier into another real AAA publisher. Instead it's just another odd game that barely anyone has heard of. And that's a shame because this had soooo much potential.
The icing on the cake of this insult is ? NO BRIDGE !!!! A game that revolves around being in a commanders chair, and you cannot sit on the bridge of your fleet carrier. Wtf. I have the money for all the bells and whistles....which are mostly things you should get from 5 Billion. But I cannot see me getting this. 2 years of hopes dashed. Peace all, but this is ridiculously insulting.
@Yuyang Wang don't need space legs for it. Dropped ball is all I can say.
Commanders seat - $3 billion
@@SoldierofLiberation hahaha hahaha !!! Good one !! No kidding,right.
@@SoldierofLiberation lol
After sitting around waiting for an hour, enjoy the view while jumping 500ly from the inside of a hanger. Now just two hours to wait for the next one!
Sink almost 7 billion into a Fleet Carrier and Outfitting to own one. In return, you don't get your own cabin. You don't get a place on the bridge to operate the Fleet Carrier from and you don't even get your own landing pad. You have to request docking like every one else in the galaxy lol. I have had some disappointments with Elite Dangerous but Fleet Carriers are by far the biggest and most insulting of them all.
You DO get a full time job though, that pays a negative salary every week lol
Exactly! They put all this crap that makes you want to drop the game and didnt add one new cool thing besides having a massive ship. They might as well just have added capital ships that act like regulsr ships without the bullshit.
Seriously, people play games to have fun, not sit and pull a slot machine for a mandatory minimum of four full days a month.
"Amazing I've not seen a game in my life that wanted me to grind it so much before"
*Laughs in War Thunder*
True, but war thunder is free as a starter, elite is not. War thunder is also rewarding most times, you grind for stuff that you will enjoy using to smash players in the ground. Unless you play british ground, in that case you will just want to kill yourself most of the time.
1. War Thunder is still a free game, and it makes sense that if you dont give *some* money then you dont get as much stuff as others do.
2. War Thunder does not force you into playing it 24/7 or you'll lose everything.
3. War Thunder's grind is very different from the grind in Elite: Dangerous, it is not as boring and annoying.
The fact that a free game has less annoying grind and microtransaction shit than a game you paid for is disgusting.
*cackles in Eve Online*
At least war thunder is fun
@@matt309 war Thunder is fun sometimes. Can be totally unfair and has a habit of becoming more fair the more money you spend.
I’d like to see a dev stream series where they get the most experienced ED player among them to start a fresh save and grind out just 1,000,000,000 credits
At worst you can get that together in about 12 hours.
Before the death of Borann these numbers were doable.
Fleet Carriers are about as well thought out as Multicrew and Powerplay.
@@saintjames1995 if it was usable..
@@saintjames1995 I love the idea too and want more of it, but the current state of it is far from stable or even finished. Just the gunner position is utter shit even if I enjoy it.
"Here's something the community has wanted for ages. Now, how can we kneecap it into uselessness so it doesn't do that thing they really hope it can do?"
It has the exact same problem as powerplay. Required regular maintenance.
@@jamesdinius7769 I've never had a problem with merit decay. Powerplay's a competitive week-after-week thing, if you contribute much at all you keep your ratings. Getting over 2000 merits/hour is pretty easy with a wing, and it takes about 6000/week to sustain rating 5 forever.
Weekly grind? I guess so, but it does come with a 50,000,000 week salary for ~3 hours effort. IF you contribute to your power's success you get rewards; if you stop contributing you stop getting rewards. You're not penalized for stopping and there's no real upfront commitment.
There's tons of other problems with Powerplay but merit decay is NOT one of them.
I just bought TWO Raptor-class carriers in X4. I can pilot them manually, customize their gear and weapons, order them into combat, or even do freighting. I have squadrons of fighters onboard that deploy when it gets attacked. Maintenance? Only for fixing damage and restocking missiles, and - gasp - I can use my factories and trade fleet to pay for it while I fly around and do the fun things like conquering sectors.
Oh, and i'm working towards the blueprints for manufacturing them at MY OWN shipyard someday because that's an option.
AND I can walk around the bridge and docking bays on my goddamned spacelegs.
I might come back to x4
you're about to make me buy X4
Thats the fame i should be playing
AND YOU CAN WALK AROUND YOUR GODDAMN SHIP'S INTERIOR.
BUT are the screenshots as pretty as Elite's? That's what the forumdads care about.
I already know of all these numbers, but there's just something about your presentation.... I can't describe it, but your video is making me so livid over the carriers, even more than when I first saw the numbers.
Well done you magnificent bastard.
"Out of Touch" is an understatement. Their is no "enjoyment" in Elite: Grind-erous! It was heading in a great direction back in the early days of Alpha/Beta and early live releases, Now FD have lost their way and truly do not listen at all.
Shouldn't end game goals be a reward of some kind, not an additional part time job in a game
When you grind for 5yrs and now have to face the final grind before the servers go offline to make space for planet zoo coaster tycoon park f1 simulator.
I think "endgame" in this case means the game ends because those at that point will stop playing it! 😳
I am still waiting for them to stop the game crashing if stay in one place (Mining) for more or less than an hour.
@@gerwynjones6862 that sounds like a you problem, I'm on console so my game wouldn't even start at one point, then it wouldn't load horizons
@@highrider9168 sounds about right, might as well just keep waiting for star citizen
I hate to say "I told you so" but here's me, commenting on an ObsidianAnt video 3 months ago:
"Carriers... expansions... it's all for nothing if its all being guided by the same killjoys. The game needs fresh, talented leadership who know how to craft compelling gameplay. Until that changes they're going to keep getting the same disappointing feedback they've been earning since I've lost count of how many updates ago."
Yeah and then they're gonna cease production on the game and blame a lack of interest from consumers when really their content is shit and thats why there's no interest.
I mean if you're gonna say I told you so get ready to hear it back from thousands of other players haha... I mean this is hardly a surprise is it?
Hey I remember reading your comment thinking 'this guy is unreasonably pessimistic, just wait and see what they release'.
Well, I'm sad to say it but, seems you were correct. Carriers in their current form are not as great as they could be. Time for some major changes pls FDev.
@@Samuraid77 it's still lack of interest even if it's because they didn't do a good job.
I love the idea of elite dangerous, but I can never get into it long enough to make any meaningful progression towards my goals.
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And exigeous!
Theyve always critiqued this game!
I genuinely feel for the people putting in the hours to craft the audio, ship assets and mechanics. They work hard. To create stuff that is singularly directed to be as vindictive as possible, for reasons no one can really understand. Don't hate on the people in the trenches, friend. They are just working to build stuff as best they can.
Its the direction and management that defines how that is assembled. This seems to be coming from a bubble that is neither connected to, or particularly interested in, player engagement or agency..
The workers don't get a free pass. When your boss is setting up the pooch to get messed up, you stop him, with a trail proving you did. And if you get fired, you go and show another boss that you did what you could. Don't sheep it up.
FDEV: All space professions are equal.
Okay then, please calculate how many hours it would take for me to aquire the funds for a fleet carrier while regular non-exploititve trading or bounty hunting or smuggling or pirating.
THEN calculate how many hours I need to spend every week to afford to maintain it.
Then is having this carrier even worth your time?
I said before that the "10m" weekly upkeep wasn't that bad. I take that back. Frontier has exceeded my wildest expectations for their stupidity, and I already thought that they would manage to ruin it. Now, I agree: upkeep must go, completely, Frontier is too out of touch to ever set a reasonable number. And this is before even worrying about the main problem of what you're supposed to do with FCs.
10,000,000 CR/week is like a single delivery job, that was doable and I'd have happily paid it if the Carrier did anything I wanted it to do. What I would like is a place to store my ships and my squadron's ships so we could travel the bubble and do stuff quickly.
But nooooooooooooo... Shipyard alone doubles the upkeep and repair/refuel/restock (the kind of things you might want in a system that doesn't have them already) will quintuple it. Buying Outfitting seems like an endless black hole of credits for a slight convenience, to let friends outfit new ships quickly
And as the final stinking coiler on top of the shit sundae, they're not a Squadron asset any more. So instead of your playergroup working together to maintain it, it entirely falls on one player to shoulder the burden. Thanks, FDEv.
I initially said 10 Mil/week is insignificant. 7.5 billion a year in rent? That's thousands of hours of just playing, or hundreds of hours of intensive, dedicated mining. And you STILL lose it if you go to the hospital for more than 14 days! No Sale.
@@51gunner Yes, I think the part about not being a squadron asset gets pretty much to the core of the problem: they've balanced them as if they were to be used for guild (squadron) oriented play, but that type of play hardly even exists in Elite, and then they went and stripped the last vestige of it away from them.
So there are a few things going on that exacerbate the problem: one, they don't play their game, or if they do, they play it with unlimited assets and so never get to see what actually goes into playing it. Two, they can't seem to make up their fucking mind about whether they want to design MMO features or single player features, so they invariably come up with an incredibly ugly compromise between the two that just doesn't work. We saw it first with powerplay, then with multicrew, and finally now with Fleet carriers.
@@51gunner idk man, takes me about 10 - 20 delivery missions to get to 10 mil. No way I could afford one, unless I just log in to mine
@@stefangrobbink7760 Depends on your trade rank and where you're looking. I use Extraction systems and see delivery jobs for gold/silver/palladium. Trade rank helps get bigger and higher-paid jobs. Pretty much anyone who can cover the five billion upfront ought to be trade-elite.
This doesn't excuse the stupid grind and costs they've locked this behind, but 10M single-hop jobs aren't a rare thing.
FDEV: All stick, no carrot.
The only reason this game keeps going is there's really nowhere else to go yet.
RisenStar No mans sky is the shit. LoL Ill never go back to Elite unless I want to srv on planets.
And there won't be anything else on the market in the next years. No Man's Sky has come far, yes, but it is ... different. (Personally, I don't like it.) And Star Citizen will fail sooner or later, so F:Dev and E:D have literally no real competition on the market.
Well I have been having more fun in NMS to be honest.
I´m a long time X games fan and really want to try out X4 now.
Especially since Elite doesn´t exactly seem to care about players a lot...
@@KinkyJalepeno No offense - by any means. I just didn't "feel" right in the game. But you do you! :)
Actually, I've seen a response of FDev to one of the players in the ED forums and they said that they know that that player would be disappointed with what they did, but they won't be changing anything at the moment.
The audacity of FDev never ceases to amaze me.
Dang, I was thinking about coming back to Elite. This is like pulling up to your old girlfriends house and finding police cars and an ambulance. Only to find out she stabbed her new partner 23 times for leaving the seat up. Yeah I don't need this kind of crazy in my life.
I have a logic problem about the carriers. one cost in the list. Black Market. so.. I have to buy that and maintain it. lets think on that. black market, to wit, an market in illegal and illicit merchandise. which I'd be paying rent on. an illegal market place. illegal. rent. my brain hurty
"is this your carrier sir?"
"Yes officer?"
"you know there is an illegal marketplace onboard and as owner you are responsible."
"there is? I know nothing about it officer!"
" Sir, we have the weekly payment recieptsof you paying the rent on it...."
"oh. erm.. yes....."
None of the upkeep costs make sense. Its as if the world of elite dangerous is a Kafkaesque Utopia.
@@KhaiJbach lol
You can't buy a Black Market. As you point out, "illegal" doesn't really make sense for a market you're allowing in your own jurisdiction. You can even allow "illegal" goods like drugs and slaves to be bought an sold in your regular market without buying a secure warehouse. You're paying for a scan-proof hold and for staff that can keep their mouth shut while fencing goods. None of which will be put on any public books as that.
Still it's not really worth anything let alone the ridiculous costs they put on it... the whole carrier design is crappy enough without making "realism" arguments against it. "Realism" seems to be what's holding up a lot of the crap in this implementation ("depreciation", really?!)... carriers need a lot less realism to be usable.
@@musifter9126 I know its beside the point but the "depreciation" time frame is bullshit too. For most real vehicles, whether its a ship, car, or any heavy piece of equipment, It takes a decade or two to where selling it only nets you a third or less of its value. A three month timeline is idiotic, and makes no sense even in game.
Frontier have also repeatedly said that they value their customers time. Even though all they've added to Elite these last few years is slow, tedious grind and these Carriers really are the finest example of that.
Of course they say they value the customers time. All companies trying to take your money pretend to value your time and opinions. But it's just that, pretending. They don't give a shit.
They value their customers spending time playing, so they try to force it.
Fdev values players time at about $0.0001/hr
@@Br3ttM yup, instead of actually adding fun involving gameplay, they create reasons for players to do the same gameplay loop time after time (the Guardian 'puzzle' needed for weapon/module unlocks, scanning ship after ship to get the correct data type, the old way of surface material gathering of driving your SRV for literally hours to find the right type of meteorite etc) If Frontier devs actually played the game to see how incredibly boring this can be, maybe we would get some better game design. This could also broaden the games playerbase instead of Elite being such a niche game (played by older players that maybe have more patience for all of these design fails) It would be better for Elites entire community for the game to have more players (more players to trade, pirate, combat etc) and hopefully more money to Frontier to improve the size and quality of updates.
"We don't want *one* way to make lots of money so instead we'll make *no* way to make lots of money."
Now is the time to bring change to the carriers, the devs are literally asking us what we want.
Upkeep costs cut by 90%, less than 10 minute charge and 30 minute cooldown, universal cartographics, interstellar factors, and MATERIAL TRADERS for hire which for some reason nobody ever mentions but would even help players that dont buy a fleet carrier at all.
No upkeep.
Upkeep must go away. Completely. You bought this thing - you should just have it.
If you think FDev is going to listen to our feedback much less even give a shit what we want, then your an idiot. They've never cared and never will. They seriously just act like they are branching out to the community for feedback to try and look good, and then they never ever take the advice and put it in the game.
@@revan5221 We'll see what they do with the upkeep costs in a few days, and the UC and material traders might take a little longer, but theyre probably gonna put them in the carriers by the official release date if enough people want them.
- No upkeep. Fueling it is upkeep enough and completely optional depending how I, the owner, want to use it.
- Universal Cart module.
- Spool up time of 5-10 minutes. Waiting 2 hours it STUPID.
Basically if you didn't exploit the hell out of the void opals thing you have to wait another year for a reason to reinstall the game.
I haven't played the game in about a year now. What happened to Void Opals? Did their value go down?
@@Scion141 a lot, as well as painite
@@Scion141 They Nerfed them, its all LTD mining now, and even that you have to jump through hoops to get a good price.
Didn't expect to see you here Squishy
@@Pheonixco well that settles it. I am never going back to elite until something major changes...
Literally the only thing I want in the game at this point is the ability to store my damn commodities in a station so I don't have to constantly fly around with shit in my cargo. Moved on to no man's sky and Eve online. Wasted too much time in elite for the devs to say a big fuck you.
This sums up how I felt about ED when I stopped playing it after a few months...
Took me 4 months of grinding to go from an Eagle to a Vulture. Then, took me 2 months of grinding in my Eagle to get the Vulture "up to spec". And then, I'm afraid to fly my brand new ship because the rebuy is super high, so I continue playing in my Eagle.
When I finally start using my Vulture, I have to relearn my strategies doing barely paying missions/bounties because I don't know how to fight in this "new" 6-months-old-but-still-smelling-brand-new Vulture.
When I finally get decent with it, I look at what my next tier, I balk and just stop playing.
Shame, ED could be so much better if it was casual-friendly. But for that to happen, I'd expect Ubisoft-flavoured "boosters" becoming available for real money in order to boost credit earnings...
It took me one day to get 100,000,000 cr
A few years ago when Space Games had a sort of rebirth I was happy because I thought I'd finally have a worthy space adventure to play with. Something went wrong along the way though. In Elite the fleet carriers are pure insanity, and the multicrew is frustratingly limited. In star Citizen you have an endless cycle of incomplete placeholders, space burritos (WTF!), and forced PvP. No Man's sky is a childish game about endless harvesting in order to endlessly craft the same things.
I wish I could take elements from all 3 and make it into a game.
I haven't harvested *anything* in NMS for well over a few weeks now. Once you get to a point where you have a few hundred thousand units and beyond you'll just be buying all the resources you need
you aid it REBIRTH or as i call it AFTERBIRTH
In the last year, that’s exactly what the game has done, investors has destroyed David Braden dream game
Sounds like they don't want people playing their game...
oh no... feels like they have contempt for people how had supported them the longest...
My thoughts exactly! They knew that leaving the game without updates for 2 years would be dire for the game (they even said the same in the announcement) It really does feel like Frontier just can't be bothered anymore. No doubt we will get another bombshell announcement soon saying that the 'New Era' is being put back another year or two (as they're far too busy working on the F1 management game)
Quite on the contrary, they want to retain their player base SO BAD that this leads them to extremely poor design choices. ("let's force people to play every week ! What could go wrong ?")
@@tg1140 shows just how little that they know about Elite and their playerbase. Also makes me dread just what Frontier have lined up for the 'New Era'. More than likely plenty of other silly design decisions and disappointment.
@@davekennedy6315 NeW eRa It Wil be huge, well need to pay andother 60euro and wait like another 2y or 4 cause corona KEKW
This isn't an endgame goal. A goal is something you want to achieve.
As a multi billion double elite (not done combat fully yet) that's played off and on for 3 years, unlocked guardian tech and the engineers, BGS weaponsand prismatics, own the big 3 etc etc, the upkeep and lack of any objective use for this means im not interested. It's a fancy trophy you pay out the arse for. Nothing so far in the game has been less worth it.
Agreed. The fleet carrier is a waste of time and credits. I'm triple elite, 10bn credits and 17 ships and all the other stuff but don't see any reason to get a fleet carrier. It can't make money unless what it sells is priced out the market.
I won't be buying anything from a fleet carrier either, it makes no sense to when whatever you want will cost more than going to a station for it.
@@milanondrak5564 the only reason I could see somebody getting a fleet carrier, and successfully maintaining it are the organizations that do exploration using it as a base of operations with Pubs and having people pay for the services. That's it, this has no other use UNLESS they have the bubble collapse in Odyssey.
If they made human space in Odyssey get overrun with Thargoids or some other alien race, and make it so the Fleet carriers are the last bastion of humanity, that might make them worthwhile, but Frontier will never do that, and the whole doomsday trope is well overused.
@@Mikalent I folded and bought a fleet carrier. I use it as a base of operations for my mercenary actions and a mobile Interstellar Factors facility for all cdrs. I'm on xbox. Carrier name MOTHERS KEEP. Currently in Rhea.
"Staggering disconnect" is the phrase of the day
"weather it be asteroid mining"
oh how the turns have tabled
@@RandomNameLastName811 It's a reference
@@RandomNameLastName811 oh, RIP me
@@jimmyshousevideos how the turntables..
And NMS keeps trolling FDEV with their content updates ...
If nms has pilotable freighters I'll laugh my ass off xD
Yup, NMS has constantly delivered incredible content packed updates free of charge AND with a far, far smaller team! Such a shame that Elite is in Frontiers hands, as all we get is major disappointment!
Almost forgot to mention the very regular bug fixes that NMS gets (they were pretty much weekly at one point I believe) Whilst in Elite we have bugs that are left untouched sometimes for YEARS!
'Free' content updates xD
I bought that game for $25 like five days ago and I wont be playing elite again. FC ruined it for me.
"they have made a feature that virtually no one will use..."
That's been a recurring theme recently, to be honest. An example that comes to mind is Thargoids, they were hyped up but ended up being so niche that most people quickly lost interest. Now they just sit in the Pleiades with next to nobody bothering to deal with them. A lot of the things they implement have a hard time tying into the overall game, it's just a bunch of additional add-ons dangling off a game that was released years ago. They don't want these paid seasons to impact the base game for those who refuse to buy them, which is understandable, but it doesn't work when new things you want to add can't change the game in any meaningful way.
Hold on, it gets even worse. In the initial Gamescon reveal, it said that refuel, restock, and repair would be outfitted BY DEFAULT! Seriously, how stupid does Frontier think we are!?
...5% depreciation within 24 hours? This thing loses value faster than a Bill Cosby DVD!
I guess that 10M/wk 'upkeep' cost does f##k all towards the actual upkeep for it to depreciate THAT quickly
Please, FDEV, I only have two kidneys and 5 first borns to give to you...
Wait how much wife you have ??
5 firstborns? How'd you manage that? lol
FDev: Why stop at simulating the galaxy? lets also simulate pain and disappointment...
To be fair, this is always going to be the case in a mega multiplayer game. I mean, if they allow everyone to keep a carrier for no upkeep, everyone will have a carrier. There are already way too many carriers in the game. If anything, the upkeep costs are already too low.
They promised fleet carriers. They never said you would want one. Box checked. Star citizen here I come.
Star citizen is barely functional. Its miles better than elite in terms of gameplay and features, but its not stable
8:00 - 500 hours is a *huge* underestimate. I'm now at +1200h and don't even have the 5 billion in *assets*. You'd need at least 2000h or a very unpleasant grind to make such a large amount of money.
I don't think you can convert hours into credits since there's such a HUGE disparity in the payout for different careers, which is a bigger problem than disappointing FCs imo.
@@loldoctor Well, fair point. If you were mining for 500 hours, you could easily afford a dozen Fleet Carriers. :D
Um.... I get like 200M per mining run.
Dude, you can make money so easily these days. Sure, you gotta mine for it - but it's like hundreds of millions for a few hours' work.
@@bskifton "A few hours' _work."_
That's kinda the problem. I've made a pretty penny from mining but I'd rather be able to make that from _playing,_ from doing the _fun_ parts of the game rather than pointing lasers and missiles at rocks for hours on end like this is some kinda job.
FDEV: Let's add upkeep to all the ships in the game.
Well, time to sell everything except my vette.
wait WHAT? Now i have to pay for owning ships?
I know you have to rearm, repair, refuel (if for whatever reason you're operating without a fuel scoop, which to be fair isn't unusual for loop trading), but what you're suggesting is, I'm gonna come back in like a few months or so, after being inactive, and find all my ships (actually just my one ship) gone. Eaten by the sulking FDEV gametime machine.
Why is it everytime i fall in love with a game the developers go full tilt stupid corporate greed after a while... first it was mechwarrior online and planetside 2 and now elite dangerous.... and the first 2 were FREE TO PLAY GAMES. Why frontier why? Just release a good paid dlc, we are not cheapskates we paid upfront for your game and horizons...
I'm defending planetside 2 here because the devs do actually care about the game, they're just a bit mucked in the head sometimes. Planetside devs actually listen to their fans and give them want they want, if they deem it a good idea. Sure, for a while they decided to be greedy bastards and shove microtransactions in everyone's faces, but you don't actually need to buy anything to progress your character in the game. With the recent update, they have added massive ships, bastions, and they can engage other bastions and players on the ground. The populations have been booming recently and it seems like its still growing.
Sorry for the long post but I love planetside to death. Plus its free, you get a much better experience in that game than most other big buck shooters out there
@@wumbosaurus9121 well that seems like a turnaround from years ago when everything got messy with the publisher stuff... one day I may try it again
@@furiouspunkboy Oh definately do. There's nothing to lose by trying it.
Costs money to host that game you like. People don't work for free.
Awww man I felt that... I too pkay mwo and dropped it becusse of costs. I do hope elite does not die.
This makes me want to cry genuine tears of sadness. I just can't anymore. Such a shame.
explorers leave the bubble to get away from people
thats the only reason we want carriers
Soooo basically they're trying to compete with Star Citizen instead of beating it? Man what a massive step backwards. Elite was already beating Star Citizen in the simulation department...
Nope, no Fleet Carriers for me.
Yeah. My guild already has a soft plan in place for Star Citizen. Pool money and shoot for a M.O.L.E. straight out of the gate as soon as possible. Once we get enough money, get the Factory Capital Ship and begin manufacturing credits out the wazoo.
@@Dakarn I've got a prospector, might grab the mole if I've got competent people to mine it. Carrack and merchantman too.
@Duck Sauce Debatable. Star Citizen isn't even out yet, and it's already pulled in almost as much money as GTA5. While I continue to poke fun at it for not being out yet, and the possibility of it tanking, you have to admire their ability to get people to pay for a game that still has at least another 2 years of development left.
@@Dakarn do you consider gaining money as being successful ? Lmao
@@Dakarn I what? "Pulled in money"? If you mean development costs sure, but GTA V pulled in a good couple billion more than 300 Million.
Upkeep needs to go away entirely. After I get my prismatic shield generator and engineer it, I'll be ready to go on a ED hiatus and never "buy" a fleet carrier. Why the fuck should I need to pay any upkeep for a ship that I supposedly own? This doesn't feel like I'm owning a fleet carrier. Feels like I'm renting it. The penalties make no fucking sense.
Seriously, it's absolutely pointless to rent a fleet carrier. Either Frontier un-fucks fleet carriers or don't bother implimenting them at all. They aren't worth it as they are now.
Now those cost are ridiculous. But in an RP sense you have a giant ship, that ship will have ongoing expenses for example; paying a crew to operate and maintain it (to include the poor maintenance workers repairing and refueling anyone that comes in), the cost of food, water and any parts needed to repair or maintain said ship during normal operations. Imagine the cost to operate and maintain an aircraft carrier, The Gerald R. Ford-class cost $12.8 billion and an estimated 2.5 million per day to operate.
@@AP-gk6se Um, you know that A) My original comment is around 2 months old and B) This video is VERY outdated? And FYI, the in-game cost is actually justified.
What we're actually buying is the Carrier itself. The source of the weekly upkeep mostly comes from the crew (provided by a third party) who actually run and maintain my carrier. I must pay them for all services and any additional services (plus any associated products), and jumps also cause wear and tear as we know. Yes, the initial costs from the beta were absolutely asinine. But now they're DRASTICALLY reduced and at most you'll be paying around 25mil credits. A single good 3LTD Egg mining run at 512t will set you up for quite a while.
But what I'm happy about is that the cost is justified in-game as stated above. Gotta pay the crew; it's not a big ship I can pilot and operate solo.
Can I do the venture capatalist thing and buy up someone's repo'd carrier at a fraction of the price? Since we're going 'full asshole' here...
You should all check out the “Hitler rant” video for Fleet Carriers... 😂
Crash Test just watched it lol
Oh that was priceless. Thanks for that.
It's absolute frikkin GENIUS! 😂
It perfectly resembles Elite and the current bullshittery.
ok I'll look for it and check back 😐
So Frontier seriously is trying to make Elite Dangerous be the player's second job... So where are our paychecks then?
Ehh, yea, sure. *chuckles looking at EVE-O megaship and station building AND upkeep costs AND Alliance taxes & rents*
I've never wanted to switch to Star Citizen faster in my entire life. Great work, Fdev....you just lost another player!
I switched the moment I saw the carriers release video dude
"The T Rex now has upkeep."
*blinks* "But I just fed this damn monster!"
700 hrs into the game and I considered myself done, I did everything to the point where it wasn't fun. Been waiting for this update hoping that I'll actually have something to go back to, never mind I guess.
I just hit that point now, and I'm only 88 hours in. Was sold on the idea that it was "E.V.E. but with more immersion" and that quickly wore off as I noticed they are basically the same, you just have more 'control' over your ship. The combat is the best part, but not a viable means of serious income.
Sounds like you got 700 hours of gameplay for whatever you paid for the game. Congratulations. That happens maybe 2-3 times in a gamer's lifetime. Seriously. You found a game that you could put 700 hours into.
i hit the 'fuck this' point at 53 hours. maybe it's because i'm getting older, or because i found other hobbies besides gaming that actually produce something tangible, but i find i'm tapping out on games these days when they start to feel even close to a second job. something in my head starts asking me why i'm grinding for make believe money instead of real money.
I take back every suggestion I ever made about FDev actually allowing players to establish colonies or build stations. They would just make them into even more obnoxious money sinks. I honestly don't think FDev actually wants anyone to have fun or enjoy the game anyway. When we do find a fast way to get credits they nerf it as fast as possible. In fact every time people start to have fun in the game they rush to put a stop to it.
Meanwhile Hello Games is still plugging along adding more fun things to do in the their game. I think I will just run around in my new mechsuit for a while. Build an underwater base and actually walk around on planets. Oh and of course completely break the economy because Hello Games doesn't care that I can make a billion in a day.
I bought NMS the other day and wow... Was blown away by the amount of fun I'm having. The ship piloting needs alot of work, but yeah, agree.... Elite-dangerous, has fallen to a final low
I thought the “in numbers” bit would be referring to the literal hundreds of carriers bought and then abandoned after players realized how useless they are and provide no real benefit and you’re basically just paying for a mobile station....and those exist in every system in the bubble. “B-but you can travel 500Ly instantly!” after an hour, and it’s cheaper and faster to travel where you want to go in a throwaway ship, then pay 20k credits and 15 minutes to have your ship moved to you.
Buying an FC in this game is like paying full price for a car in real life on the spot, then being told you have to pay $250 a week to “maintain” it. But if you don’t, you can get into a HUGE debt of $700 before it gets taken away from you.
Wait until you own a car kid, they’re more expensive than that irl !
FrankMurphy I do own a car, I was just making an example
Person Man Bad analogy kid.
BUT WAIT... THERE'S MORE!!! :D
BUT WAIT.... YOU HAVE LESS
Why would they do this knowing most of their player base cant stand to play this game for more than 20 minutes
I would love to sink my head into it again for weeks upon weeks. But knowing they're out of touch and are deciding bad things for the game discourages me to do that. And this isn't a game you just play for 20 minutes. Pure destruction. I love the game please save it Frontier. Commander Ferokz out.
They did it BECAUSE most the player base only play for like 20 minutes. They want to force you to play for at least 40 hour a week.
I love the game too but it's like watching your supermodel wife slowly turn into my 600 pound life.
quantum6 but now it will be zero 😂
i was one of the biggest ED-fans out there, i played an ungodly amount, yet quite some time ago i realized that this was it: there's nothing more "good" coming. i'm 100% sure the main reason beeing the devs not realy playing their own game. they might hop in once a while, with dev-codes or what have you, but none of em plays the game like we do/did. i stopped quite a while ago and i ain't planning on comming back. having Tencent in the mix was my bye-bye-moment more or less.
Solved the issue: when I want a carrier I play X4
Love launching 40 fighters off my colossus lol
X3 Terran conflict/ Albion prelude is nicer for carriers tho
I can also stand on the deck in X4 and watch my fighters launch. Bliss!
@@TheRealCatof That is your problem; can't help with that
@@TheRealCatof You know, millions of flies can't be wrong about crap...It must be delicious :)
Devs out of touch with the player base? I thought that was obvious, I mean have you seen them try to play their own game in livestreams?
been saying this for months. Last stream I saw the other day and the streamer had to explain to the CM how to switch the wing beacon on lmao
dude they never play ED never
I grinded 16 billion in about a month or three with 2-3 hour play sessions every few days because i thought this would be great. So i could technically afford one and outfit it fully and then use it for about a year. And i won't because its not worth it. If they don't cut costs by at least 80-90% im not getting one, nor am i coming back to the game. because i don't trust the devs to make it fun again. I'm 100% not pre-ordering or even buying the new paid expentian after this fiasco until maybe a few youtubers like you and exegious show us its worth it :P Fdev lost a lot of players with this shit
When Star Citizen will be released a lot of people will be happy to leave this nightmare of wasted potential
Tbf, nightmare of wasted potential is also how i describe scam citizen
This game has always been made for the unemployed/single. Not even kids can play it as much as they should have they have to go to school. Once they have that unemployed/single person, they'll never get a relationship in fear of losing all their credits.
Here I sit in my custom frigate sipping tea here in NMS.
Fox Stardrifter I fell in love with that game. Just bought it like 5 days ago for $25 and it is the BEST money ive ever spent. Wish I never would have bought any ARX thinking I was helping the team. Pfft. Much rather give that $400 to NMS
I play since 2015... but its been months I'm not playing Elite anymore... and this weekend I reinstalled NMS... ah... and its Frontier's publisher weekend on Steam... Elite is NOT among the 20 top sellers... but NMS is there... 8th place... that pictures a sad reality.
The trouble appears to be the vision for the game from the top. When it looks like game elements were designed by an accountant or engineer, and not guided by a creative vision, you get the mechanics of Fleet Carriers.
I'd say: Ah yes, the classic "Congrats on grinding enough cash to buy this massive reward, now brace yourself as we penalise you for it at every twist and turn". But I actually can't think of any other game stupid enough to do that. Good job FDev, punish your most loyal players for daring to enjoy the content you spent ages making while all the others just watch it crash and burn.
one conda per week, and 520 mil to STORE SHIPS
hackingpro Ill just keep buying 1 Conda per week and they can keep this FC.
I've got the feeling that Braben isn't touching the game so much these days... the current gameplay design is an utter mess, like even Star Citizen has a draft of a plan for the future
Emadec Maybe he just doesn’t care anymore. Or elite in it’s current state is exactly how braben wanted it to be.
The more I see about fleet carriers, the less inclined I am to log in and play. At all.
And yes, I'm fully aware that i can do that without informing the community, but I can't be the only one who feels that way, and Fdev needs to know that at least some of it's players are tired of their crap.
I stopped playing when the Arx update broke almost every aspect of the game. I thought I'd get back into it after this update. Not going to happen. Too disgusted.
What kills me about all this is that the only players that have enough money to buy/maintain these things are the people who have abused the various money-making exploits over the years. Anyone who played the game the way it was intended wouldn't have anywhere close to 5 billion, let alone 48 billion.
Proof the devs don't play their own game ..
We didn't need any, it shows every time one of them tries to play it on a stream lol
We had this proof from launch. This is just proof they *still* don't play their game.
So the super endgame content is to actually work in a video game. I wonder if my taxes would be raised since I now would work for two employers.
Fdev must think this game is like EVE except it doesnt have the community, playerbase, or functionality of the megaship to justify the cost.
I bet they want to make fleet carriers unappealing to all but the most hardcore grinders so they dont have to worry about server upkeep because thats how lazy they are.
After 1,500 hrs , 800,000 lys traveled , 12 fully engineered ships , 9.7 billion credits , and being triple elite , I haven't logged in to this game in over a week. My game will be on a shelf collecting dust until a new era.
If the grind in this game came from a lap dancer, I'd be fine with that. LOL 😀
P.S. FDEV,,, GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ARSES!!! Have a nice day.
So how long have we got till Frontier announce that the 'New Era' is postponed for the 'foreseeable future'?
Probably till September. :D
They are said it's will be announced some time after fleet carries release. July or August maybe. But they REALLY NEED START TALK about new era right fucking now
Turns out...end of April.
I think that universal cartographics could have a timer delay to “establish deep space comms relay” so that exploration still has some risk as you venture away from your fleet carrier, and straight line jumping somewhere may be faster, but increases the risk of loosing exploration data. Additionally, this mechanic would allow player owned megaships to act more like stations that could be strategically placed in the black. I can understand the desire to maintain the risk of exploration, but frontier’s expectation that explorers with fleet carriers will just hemorrhage money is laughable.
Given that you can't actually fly Fleet Carriers around systems (and they are thereby safer from being lost), I'd be ok with them implementing a cartographics storage setup, so you could cache in your exploration data from your exploration ship. Still would have to get back to a station to get the payout/credit.
The weekly upkeep is more than I had the patience to grind when I was playing.
EVE online is less of a grind than this, has a better market, interface, load out system, combat system, trading system, faction system, crafting system and ship balance. The only downside is the indirect controls.
7:24 was my reaction, too. They have lost their mind ... assuming they ever had one to start with.
I think the 5B base credits are fine, it's just upkeep that makes FCs completely uninteresting for me.
I want an option to upload my brain into the game when I am dying, so I can keep grinding toward a full maxed out fc
The 6 dislikes are the guys from Frontier working at elite for the Moment i guess ^^. David Braben must be so disapointed. I hope they woke up soon.
Jesus everything was already expensive enough and then they had to add this in This is outrageous!!!
I used to think that Elite was the better space sim.
With this I have turned towards No Man's Sky. The carriers are for endgame BUT these number are ridiculous. Especially the upkeep and that it maxes out at 300 Mil. If it gets any higher it will be decommissioned. Yeah. Back to NMS
Jan-VGH NMS way better all around. Best $25 I ever spent. Cant wait to get to 10th galaxy and settle in on lush planet. LOL
You get the feeling that the developers have absolutely no interest in bringing these fleet carriers into the game and have only implemented them in beta in order to thoroughly ruin the interest of the players and to finally silence the (for the developers) annoying questions afterwards . Perhaps it was once planned to implement these carriers, but at some stage during development there were insurmountable problems or reasons that this entire feature was (internally) deleted. For me, the beta looks like a "See. We have not given you any hopes for fleet carriers because we have given them up (internally) for a long time. Now shut up and don't bother us anymore."
They were never intended for players to own in the first place. FDev wanted them to be group exclusives essentially, kinda like Eve. And then people who didn't play in a group wanted to own fleet carriers solo and FDev hesitantly obliged. And in my honest opinion, these prices are probably realistic to what it would cost to own and operate a massive multi-thousand crew space station that can jump, even if that cost is absolutely outrageous in gameplay.
Yuup feels like they were pissed they had to put them in game.
I can only wonder if they will take an arm or an actual leg for Elite Feet.
Players: We want fleet carriers. Devs: OK sure we'l give them to you after a very long delay of course.
Players: Great, we can"t wait to get them. Devs: The time has come for the beta so go check it out.
Players: Hey these things are way to expensive and time intensive Devs: Exactly, But we still have given all of you what you've asked for and wanted so we're good. That's how this is going to go down for sure sadly. P.S. Mining the fuel for these is terrible too. Speaking of mining remember that feature update for exploration and yep to make mining better and it was. Then they reversed it, so they like to waist all their own employees ( devs ) time too and make them grind for nothing to add even more insult.
can you imagine Carriers in the middle of nowhere with squadrons exploring, bringing data, maybe finding alien bases, and they are able to maintain or even go further and further out in the black?
Maybe even create bases/ stations out there with playermade markets?
well we all can still dream it, but it wont happen.
Ever....
And i mean Ever.
"cries near a fire pit of my own credits while seeing the potential of this game sink into a black hole"
Fdevs don't know what having fun in a game is.
No quality of life, take powerplay, press 75 times the exact smae thing to collect whatever you need to rank up.
Make all but LTD mining a waste of time.
Log in and log off as a game mechanic to get guardian mats or engineering mats.
Have quit for months to later return to the game because if i want to build an account I'll bore my brain till death. Then i kill some more braincells and quit again.
Well done Frontier.
I started playing in 2016 ,up to now I never bothered to gring power play for the weapons /rewards , cant bring myself to do it , even to unlock the Corvette was a 3 month work because it caused me painnnnnn to do, the cutter? I am grinding it for the last 2years , I play like two mission and uninstall.
@@____trazluz____9804 It's not about the grind for powerplay, it's about having to buy packs of 10 for 75 times when they could ask after selecting 500 or 750 of them if i want to pay for all of them. Frontier has made mandatory wasting time to do stuff. It's the same if you want to buy items, you need to buy/unload, buy/unload. Fdevs make wasting player time a priority.
This game is now a mess because they didnt fix all the small little(gameplay) problems like imbalance credit rate between profession, nerfing gold rush by slapping restrictions instead of addressing the problem(RIP board hopping), unnecessary powperplay montlhy reset and the stupid stipulation that you have to wait a month before being able to accquire PP weapons...Now it blew up in their face.
If they were squadron owned like initially intended these prices wouldn't be that bad, but for a single person that's just insane.
@TheYamiks Thanks for having lost that much precious time of your life to make one of your best videos. I'm impressed at how you have been able to find the will to do all that was necessary to produce it. GG man and see you in the black ;-)
Okay....Let me summarise.
You can have un "infinite" amount of "small" ( I know the big 3 etc) ships, park them almost anywhere in the galaxy, and it just costed the price of the ship, a little bit of time.
In this case you DO NOT in any time have to pay the park area.... Even for a big ship. Also for the big 3, yep i am coming back to them, YOU can pilot them ALONE and it cost you nothing....
But no just for a player meg... hum fleet carrier, you have to pay for something that can (in the lore perspective) be automatized and do not need any crew....
100% Yamiks, to be honest I thought you were being to kind. It's free content though so that makes it ok right LOL
Fleet Carriers reminds me of the Warhammer 40K universe ............ It can always get a little bit WORSE!
Heresy
Lets not forget that smuggling missions pay way less than regular deliveries.
Dont forget how the carrier will get you that sweet sweet feeling of *PRIDE AND ACCOMPLISHMENT*
dont forget you pay retail for all those modules, so you have to sell them for a premium on top which why would players pay that when they can just go to a station right next door for less?
FD hate the community. All they want to do is earn money from skins that look even worse than a 3-year-old with autism could draw in paint. I've supported them since kickstarter, but they haven't fulfilled even half of their promises and obviously aren't going to. Personally, I will not give them not a god damn cent, and I won't go into the game until they start talk about the new era and show that it is worth at least 5 minutes of players attention. And I recommend that all dissatisfied players do the same
Uninstalled the game about half a year ago. I had it constantly installed since premium beta.
But if they don't get their shit IMMENSELY together I definitely won't bother to download that pile of crap again.
The amount of "great looking" update announcements they drove against the nearest wall is just to damn high.
already did that, uninstalled the game the day carrier beta came out
Players: *finds efficient way of gaining money*
Fdev: no stop that *nerfs that method*
Players: *find a new way*
Fdev: *nerfs that as well*
Players: *finds a new way again*
Fdev: fine, spend all your money here *adds fleet carriers*
Also fdev: *nerfs the money making methods again*
What I'm trying to say is that fleet carriers are fdev's response to all the money making strategies that we players have used in the past. All the money making nerfs in the past were to stop people from getting lots of money but we just found new ways after each nerf. Now fdev has given up on trying to stop us and instead have given us something we HAVE to grind money for
I got the perfect solution: Let's just fire FDev and hand the game over to Hello Games. They seem to be doing pretty good at releasing frequent updates people actually like. Almost like they have a clear vision of how their game should actually play.