after seeing the glut of carriers in almost every system i poked my ship into i wondered if this is what was happening, but i suspect it's just a drop point for player mining groups
LOOK AT HOW THE TURNS HAVE TABLED! In all seriousness though hiring NPCS to kill another player would be pretty cool and probably break the game even more.
@@CreeperDude-cm1wv I would spam my friends with elite leveled hostile NPCs and basically DDOS their game into oblivion. It would be great until I ran out of credits.
Just one example. You could tell someone to get you some tritium and then you tell someone else to get it to a port with very huge prices and you get the money that you didn't pay to the npcs.
I was looking at one evidently purely for that too, a place to park and switch between my ships, and possibly use it's jump range to explore distant stars out there...assuming it's able to jump to distant places like that.
@@benjaminbierley2074 I've been using mine lately to help out new players or anyone selling painite etc. Parked by a hotspot buying for the maximum that it allows. Currently buying for 715k per ton, helps a lot of new players who need credits but don't have the jump range.
I have a friend with a fleet carrier, we use it as a staging point for mining and as a collective base of operations for our entire friend group. her profit comes entirely through reselling what we mine for net gain at far away stations
Outfitting and shipyards could work, if you do it in Colonia, where you struggle to find high end modules and ships. The secure warehouse upgrade might also work, as you can provide a safe haven for pirates to unload at (and show piracy as your specialty). Just some speculation, of course....
FDev, let me use my HIRED NPCs and give them missions. Jonny, go shoot pirate. Jane, go mine diamonds while Jonny protects your ass. Yamiks.... toast your testicle hair in the sun's corona.
There's one engineer that requires 200 land mines to unlock; I saw a carrier named "LANDMINES FOR SALE" parked above it selling them for a huge markup. Well played
I basically use my carrier as a mining outpost to store Ltds. so when I jump back from the triple Hotspot I sell the hold. made all the money back from buying and initial outfitting.
Read a post on reddit where a guy is coming back from the deep dark after exploring for over a year (he took a hiatus for a while) and has years of cartographic data he doesn't want to lose and is worried about getting ganked. Obviously, we all told him to return in solo rather than open. Here is where I think if you have a fleet carrier you could make some profit. While yes, you get less cash for selling your data at a carrier, if you have a lot of data and want to keep from losing it by heading back to the bubble, FCs parked in strategic locations out in the deep dark could make some coin by doing so. Obviously, FC pilots would need to take initiative and spread the word they're out there, go on scouting expeditions themselves to find tritanium and mine up what they need to keep the carrier afloat. Yes, a lot of ifs, but they might be able to pull it off.
its already in the works. there will be 1 to 3 carriers in every sector of the galaxy. last i checked even before the first beta, they had every planned slot filled by volunteers.
What you're describing is a risk reduction use, not an earning use. The whole problem with carriers is they can't earn any tangible credits on their own that scale with their recurring costs and massive initial investment. They were billed by the devs as a "lucrative investment" meaning they should - by design - be able to not just fully cover their upkeep, recoup their 6bn purchase price, but also give their owner something on top. Right now we are struggling to cover a tiny fraction of upkeep realistically.
You cant even offer people a price that would make them want to sell commodities to you. The max you can offer for LTD's for instance is around 600kish (If you hold down the mousebutton for FIVE MINUTES, because why would anyone want to type in a number), which bears the question of who in their right mind would sell you those things for 1/3 of what the vendors can pay you... But then again, commodity prices have allways been a joke. Even the most killer deals will only net you 10k a ton. Thats ALOT of Clippers worth of cargo until you rake in 5b. Ironically, its not like changing a bunch of numbers would be any effort for the devs, they seriously just dont seem to care if theres no ship-kit attached to it. It saddens me to see so much potential being wasted.
I had mine set to the minimum so I could sell them to myself without breaking the bank and some poor sod docked and sold me a couple of hundred of them while I was away mining. An unexpected 250 million bonus for me but I did feel bad for whoever it was who went away thinking his million or so was a good deal.
Really? I was hoping that at least you can buy them for like 1.3m. That way you can buy them for 1.3m when there are no discovered locations that buy them for more, and then wen a location with 1.5m shows up you can jump there and sell them to the station yourself. But now it doesn't work i guess.
@@GhostMas7er Yeah, i was hoping for the same thing, but then again... Economy is a joke in ED. Whats the point of the whole "background sim" if there simply isnt any "stuff" anyone would care about being affected by it?
I thought the whole point of fleet carriers was to carry your fleet... meaning its for your squadron as a mobile base as opposed to a get rich quick scheme?
I see the point of a mobile base, but usually the faction you support is in a system with station or near one. Unless you go away from your factions home system to oppose another faction.
@@Rakmarok Any repeating obligation to a game JUST TO STAND STILL is crazy. And if you want to see 300m cr/h "normal" become 6m cr/h in one mini patch, look at what happened with Smeaton, Rhea, Robigo, skimmer stacks etc. If you want to see upkeep prices going crazy in one little patch look into the history of normal fuel prices and repairs.
@@Rakmarok it seems like not a lot of upkeep when there is a crazy money method going on but when it's long and done do you really want to do a full day grind just to upkeep your fc for a week? Especially when there is not much use. That 5 billion you spent you might as well have just kept and made it last you many months of not needing to grind money.
Why did i buy a FC? because i want a movable location to store all my crap instead of a home station, i want to explore with all my shit at the same time using it, i want to use it for trading ane mining. These where ALWAYS my only requirements for a FC. I dont give a shit about cost or upkeep, i just want to do these 3 things.
Can confirm; that's all they are. Until we can set commodity prices to whatever the hell we want, them being Taxis is all they're ever gonna be. Hell, a carrier buying diamonds for 1m that's right next to Kirre's Icebox would be awesome and cool and awesomely cool; 1m per ton is the lowest anyone would be willing to sell their diamonds for, and they often go to 1.6m in some systems. Miners get more credits per hour because of such a close sell point Carrier Owners get their own profits for whenever they go sell all those diamonds themselves, enough to find their upkeep and pocket some extra. You'd think FDev would know that...
@GiRayne it's a cool addition but also doesn't solve the problem of making money back with them. People can donate but you can't straight charge people for a ride. If it's a taxi then a fee should be an option.
Its fun stocking up on everything you can find, parking next to a station, and perform "find the commodity" missions with items already in your cargo hold.
The most annoying conundrum with fleet carriers is having enough money to buy one, but you don't because they aren't worth it, and then not knowing what to do with the $5B.
Tbh they have more use than I thought they would. It’s nice going over a thousand lys way to farm guardian structures or what have you and there being a carrier near by to re-fuel and re-stock.
These opinions clearly match what I have observed. Carriers are not profitable. They are a money sink only. I use my carrier as an exploration platform, however profits vs expenses sucks even with that job path. Exploration alone just can't effectively counter carrier costs. It becomes a credit grind, many hours investment is needed to just to break even. Carriers end up being a convenience tool with a high cost. They don't necessarily grant any core benefits.. and for elite, it is all about the credits and rate one can earn them. This "upgrade" goes counter to that fundamental mechanic
i think fleet carrier should be bought and managed by squadrons... would make more sence imo... squadron is the fleet and the carrier carries the fleet into battle RAH! (jump far, even if you have a slow space battle brick)
Take the FC to the mining hotspot and fill up it's storage. Then jump to the best sell point and unload. Surely that would be profitable. Or get some bug hunters to dock up and jump to a Thargoid system to hunt. Then jump everyone back to turn in. It is called a "Fleet Carrier" so I would look for ways to make money doing just that, carrying fleets.
@@revanu2140 How much of that 2bn was the carrier earning its own thing (by players landing on it and buying overpriced ships etc) and how much was another of your ships doing the actual work and the carrier just allowing a shortcut for jumping? If it just saved you jumps then you need to compare the jump time saved and multiply it by your cr/hr to tell you what benefit the carrier actually got you. Otherwise my car that I use to go to work earns $80k per year and not me.
Geret Starseeker I’m making insane profit just from people selling LTDs To me and then me jumping to the highest sale system in one go to flip them for profit. When the best mining area is outside of the bubble, people tend to sell it to you for less just for the convenience of not having to make 10+ jumps
Besides, I’m still making my own stuff, but I don’t have to sell it right away I can just store it on my carrier. So while I’m out mining my own stuff, people are selling me theirs at a profitable margin, not to mention that I’m getting passive income just from people using the services, and it’s not only paying for itself, it’s paying me to have it
that sounds like those scams on tv. You know the ones that go: "I live in a mansion, here is my ferrari, and my trophy wife. How did I get so rich? By doing one simple thing. Buy my book and find out how you can be super rich too."
@@Chrono_Mitsurugi nah sounds like he made almost 5 billion in 12 months by setting buy / sell orders properly. Fleet carriers can be the middlemen between miners and stations and profit from it.
I've actually made around 90 million just buying tritium for really cheap and selling it on my carrier for a few thousand below galactic average. It's not a lot but it is paying for my upkeep while I go hunting for other random things to sell. I plan on stocking the items you can only get in missions to sell as well. Still wish you could trade rare goods.
I think the idea behind the fleet carriers is to station them in the middle of nowhere so the community as a whole can explore more of the galaxy.I don’t think you should expect to make tons of money selling ships and modules, that’s just a perk for those that land at the station.
Getting your carrier outside the bubble is very expensive plus the chance that you'll meet someone out there in large numbers is very slim unless you set up a community event or something. Fleet carriers are just another tool by FDev to get players to grind in an already grindy game.
I had this beautiful idea of using them as cargo ships - outsourcing buying and selling the cargo to npcs, jumping with the carrier between systems when your cargo hold is full/empty. Then I realized the devs castrated this mechanic before it was even born - after all, a bit of passive income (not entirely, you still have to jump and set the prices) for your troubles of getting 5bn cr would make the game far too easy, wouldn't it?
I don't personally own a fleet carrier, but one of my friends does and we take it all over to get very large margins on basic commodity trading. Buy dirt cheap, fly across the entire bubble with thousands of units in cargo, and sell it back to a station for massive profit. Boring repetitive gameplay, but a few hours of this can net you absolutely insane profits.
I'm still kinda sad because you can't pilot these things, would pretty much be the only argument for buying one right now. I think making jumps through a menu is a bit misplaced in elite honestly. At least show a bridge or a camera view outside when the carrier allignes and jumps... just a bit more entertainment for the huge fuking pricetag
The game designer was off sick for 2 years, otherwise the devs would have known all gamers obviously wanted to see the thing jump (in and out), know who was on the carrier maybe add them as a friend or let them sign a guest book, get special treatment from traffic control as the owner, see it leave the shipyard with a naming ceremony cutscene, have your NPC crew address you as 'chief' and ask your permission to do stuff, maybe even have faction reps treat you as a VIP.
you forgot the best part of fleet carriers. where people took advantage of a bug that lets you buy exploration and trade data FOR PERMIT LOCKED SYSTEMS when on a carrier and find a locked system with no stations, a gas giant with 8 moons AND AN ECONOMY to find the dark wheel/raxxla. (yes, this has actually happened according to astro from d2ea)
I love FCs. Yesterday, someone accidentally (I presume) set tritium buyout price to 420k. Oh well, I, a newb, ran to get my full cargo (12 t) of tritium and sold it. Yay.
list of things to make carriers not worse than stations: - RRR (rearm, refuel, repair) Should be like a 10M module with no upkeep if noone is using that, and then if they use, owner pay 50% of standard station price, while client pay 1%-1000% of standard price (set up by owner and visible on EDDB or add in GUI) - ships and modules, buy in bulk for
Summed up what i though about them perfectly.... But Also.... Now all our previous explorations, all those thousands of jumps, made meaningless coz just can sit in a carrier and jump with no skill, go further with no hard cost to effort and just be lazy and go further than everyone who previously travelled.... They diminish all the work we put in
😂😂😂😂 funniest comment yet. Man... just because you “wasted” your time doing that doesn’t mean other people need to do it. If you enjoyed it that, good for you.
Well something like 'the distant worlds community event' would not be as impressive if done now... So sounds like they have diminished the challenge of travelling so far
@GiRayne My perception? They HAVE put something in that makes mass travel easier and faster, thats a fact... YOU perceive it as as good or bad how you want coz thats your opinion but the fact remains the same. Is travelling a country on a bus the same as walking across it oneself? NO it isnt
@GiRayne its made the game less rewarding because in the back of my mine i know i could just sit on the bus and get moved around without any work. And options are good but adding easy modes again makes some challenges less rewarding. Someone whos been to edge of the galaxy is no longer such an achievement... But hay lets just have every option and just teleport everywhere and just make everything super easy coz space is just a piece of piss! Now why don't you chill out coz why does my comment affect you? because i dont totally agree with your opining? If your so happy with it why did you even comment coz your obviously just trying to start a fight which is sad
The FC's in the triple hotspot system are extremely useful and decently profitable. Many of my friends and I buy limpets there/ or a surface scanner if we forgot one or limpets or repairs or weapons. its worth paying the tariff for not going 50 LY's
And I'm seeing a lot of these FCs act like busses too. You'll have one saying "departing for new borann in 10 minutes, lockdown in 5." So their presence is allowing newer players to get to and from the col sector, which in that area has almost no refuelable stars.
So eddb.io does show you what FCs are selling, but it is not a perfect system. I don't think it immediately tracks when FCs move as I could not locate some carriers listed in the system. In other cases I would get to the FC and find out that it had sold out of what I was looking for. Eventually I got so frustrated trying to chase down a few modules I went to a regular station anyway even though it was 5 jumps to get what I wanted.
Made around 4bil in a day with FC. About 18k tritium in storage. Have all services except black market. Upkeep taken care of for a year and a bil play money left over. I understand and agree that FC need work and Fdev need to overhaul markets so it can actually be useful for players but this whole "fleet carriers are useless" whining is exaggerated. Like your vids tho 😁
I get a lot of the hate, but the PG I'm in is making great use of FCs in the current war we're in. allows us to use our large ships and restock in system despite there not being any stations with large pads. have a small or med ship on the FC to swap to for turning in massacre missions. I'm up to about the 400M mark in profit from this war and it's only been two days. FCs have helped keep that number high.
Find a popular mining spot. Park your carrier in orbit around it. Set landing permissions to open. Offer the various mining related modules (limpet controllers, rock honkers and so on) and of course LIMPETS at a modest markup. +1% maybe 2% markup at most. Offer 25% to 50% above galactic average for most everything worth mining out of that asteroid field. Many of the smaller miners are likely to accept your price(s) for the sake of convenience. The farther they have to jump to find a better price for their LTD's or Void Opals and such is the more risk they face of getting popped by a pirate. Once or twice per week you can make a few runs with your Cutter to sell off whatever has been collected. Having that Cutter means you're safe from most if not all pirate activity. So you can afford to go the extra distance to get the better prices that are likely to be double or more what you paid. Even if you only get a very few hundred LTD's in a week. That's more than enough to cover the upkeep on that carrier plus a bit.
Erm, you can rename the carrier what it sells/buys so it acts as a free advert. There are tons of ways to make money using FC with smart buying of market commodities from players, Literaly 25000 tons of ways ;)
ahahaha like no one saw this coming? seems like people are surprised fleet carriers are shit... Did we have our heads in the sand over the past 6 months folks.. hmmm did we? and by we i mean you reading this and already formulating a reply defending this utterly stupid mechanic. But hey ho you can't help yourself so have at it. blaa blaa etc etc
Commodity markets do show carriers now which is nice, because there are some big profits selling to them. I would also say a specialized carrier is handy like the Meta-Mart selling meta alloy right outside the Farseer engineer system, which requires Meta alloy to access engineer.
What if you could sell your own ships there for whatever price you wanted? Like, you take your old hyper engineered ships and sell them at your carrier?
Or maybe you could set up a consignment scheme where people without carriers could also sell their ships at your carrier for a negotiated percentage fee?
Yeah but then that would allow players to avoid the massive grind that is engineering. And frontier seem to think that grinding is the only thing you should want to do
@@PatrickRatman I could see players farming mats to set their own ship dealerships with various engineering packages. Say a max specced A fsd drive hauler or adder at a carrier in a common noob system for I don't know, 1.5M each
You can easily tell that someone is selling something or buying something because they show up on Inara and EDDB. This means that they are also showing up in game on the "trading tools" as well, but let's be honest, even Fdev knew we were going to use external resources anyway.
Fairly sure they aren't designed as a way to make money, they're a money sink. The services are more for friends/squadrons than anything atm. Don;t buy the repair/refuel/outfitting/shipyard to make money, buy it so you and your friends can repair/refuel and store their ships/modules too.
I find it odd how negative you are about these when the overall response in game seems to be very positive and most of the people who have an FC seem happy with them and the gameplay emerging from them.
I'm selling mine. I was excited to have one but the shipyard and components store ruined it for me. And the fact that despite NPCs landing at FCs, THEY BUY NOTHING! It's totally ridiculous! NPCs should buy some goddamned fuel! Or repairs! OR sell commodities to me. Not buy but at least sell. Then the package system. Fleet carriers have a VERY LIMITED amount of space when it comes to adding features. So in stead of allowing the players to customize what we SELL BY ITEM we have to sell useless crap in PACKAGES. It is inflating the prices enormously and the amount of space it takes up. I wanted to sell ONLY A rate parts and only the ones people actually use. You can't. Guess what, you can only sell about 2 packages (decent ones) multirole advanced ships and lets say cargo racks tier2 or 3. USELESS! Plus as yamiks said you can't advertise anything. I figured before they launched the feature they would add a galnet tab for FC advertising like your carrier name and services and it lists based on proximity to you.
I reinstalled this game and finally earned enough to buy an anaconda. Might even try to grind to a Billion credits. But at the end of every play session, I keep thinking of the uninstall button.
There's already way to many carriers in the game slowing it down. Obviously it works as a prestige object, so it shouldn't really earn you money. You can't allow everybody to keep a carrier. However it would be fun if other players could simply donate for upkeep costs.
Theoretically, a carrier COULD be used for bulk trade. You take it to an origination system, load it up with commodities, take it to the destination system, unload it. The catch is, to make it worth the travel time, the two systems would need to be at least 2 jumps apart. With Tritium trading the way it is right now, there is pretty much no point to this. HOWEVER, if and when tritium trading either gets nerfed or the bubble pops, this may be something worth trying.
I think that is my favorite Yamicks rant yet! 😎 I'm waiting in hope that it may make some sense in the future sometime, to get one... Until then I am keeping my Billions, Frontier tax free... 😎
I heard some people were docking their fleet carriers close to mining hotspots and naming them something like "I buy LTD for 900M", so I guess there's that at least?
@@joepiscapo1879 im aware of this, but there are people who don't want to use solo because its cheap as hell. i use solo only when i have to, and now that i have loads of expendable income im less worried about gankers. like "oh no, you blew up my t9 7mm away from my carrier, i guess i'll just get another one and wait for you to leave/go in solo" and honestly, thats never gonna happen cause gankers know that in a FC you don't have to spend barely any time in supercruise to get between station and FC.
Why do you even play this game? I'm not trying to call you out or anything, I'm just genuinely interested, what about this game appeals to you? I know Elite is far from perfect and I would like to change some things, but I also think it's a great game. I really enjoy doing the BGS work, being a part of a group with a goal, even powerplay, despite there not being much to it. I just love that your little actions can have an impact on an entire galaxy. And I love that you can just set out into the black whenever the mood strikes and have your name on stars on the other side of the galaxy. I don't find those things a grind, I enjoy doing them. Those things are the game. But some of my friends think this game is the most boring pile of garbage they ever spent money on. And I understand what they mean because Elite is a very niche game. It's just not for everybody. And whenever I watch any other content creator, they complain about things as well, and they have their opinions and their criticisms, but for everyone else, I know why they play this game despite those criticisms. It's either combat, exploration, trading, BGS work, or whatever else. Everyone else has some sort of community around them and they work towards a common goal. And whenever I watch your stuff, I really can't tell what is it that you enjoy. You don't have a PMF, you don't do BGS, you don't do pve, or pvp, exploration is boring, mining is boring, you don't enjoy trying out new ship builds because engineering is a grind... All I ever see you enjoy is complaining. Complaining for complaining's sake. I know that's your whole shtick, but when everything sucks and nothing is good, then really your opinion doesn't matter. Because as far as I can see this game just isn't for you. But maybe I'm wrong, so I just wanted to ask you, what about Elite do you enjoy? Not what you think is an objectively good game mechanic, that's not what I'm talking about. I want to know but what about Elite brings you actual joy while you are doing it. And if there really isn't such a thing, if you really are playing just because it's your job, I get that, just maybe don't make it so obvious. Or you know at least try to have some fun. I mean you have 80k subscribers, if you cant create a community that's focused around something, then that's just sad. Or I don't know, maybe just keep doing what you are doing, because what the fuck do I know, you seem to be doing great. Well, that's all I had to say about that. I really didn't want this to be that long, but I just couldn't stop. So thanks a lot, you turned me into one of "those" people :/ Bye.
From the start devs had a hard-on for upkeep. Until the blood returns to their brains and they detoxify the FC mechanics, I'm not touching the fleet carriers. What ever happened to "playing your way"? The devs clearly have an intended way to use carriers, and they just nerfed the best method to keep the repomen away. You only have to shoot yourself in the foot so many times before it looks like beaten dead horse meat.
I hope when the add new ship’s to the game the add blueprints and you need to craft down with carrier so you can buy from players only,plus add option where you can add carrier types in maps so you know it’s mining trading etc add some industrial to the game
I want the carriers gone. The system map and other interfaces are filled with all these badly named ships spammed all over the system mess with immersion. I filter them out but they are still popping up everywhere. I hate it.
With this fleet carrier update, I'm more than happy being that little fishy attached to the belly of a bigger fish...and just picking up on the leftovers.
Have you... Actually tried using it for anything? The thing has a MASSIVE cargo hold. You can do anything from mass buying and selling trit to stacking multiple rare goods inside and selling them all at once. Just don't expect to make a bunch of passive money unless your carrier has some way of giving the players working from you some profit
@@PatrickRatman Is there a quicker way to fill it up than shuttling back and forth with ~700t of cargo in a T9? I want to fly a smaller ship most of the time, not fly the T9 barge over and over and over.
I don’t know what you are all doing wrong I’m making billions every day with my fleet carrier this a dream come true. But I couldn’t do it alone. Squads help more then you know
Let's admit, FD done at least two things good - they let players build starports, but expensive ones. Other players, however shouldn't dock to FC for long time, unless they clearly know owner plans. Second, they made commodities storage, but only for FC owner.
You would only buy these if you had a tonne of cash in the first place, what is then left to buy once you have one? Nothing, except the odd ship, module and upkeep. So what's the point in wanting to make loads more money once you have one? What would you spend those billions on?
because u use it for travel, exploration...base of operations for goid hunting..mat farming.etc etc list goes on and on... elite is not just about credits.. the only limit to carrier is your imagination, elite can be played however u want for the most part.. If u dont find a use for a carrier then thats on u
@@Rena_Skuxy Yeah I hauled some units of lavian brandy to my FC yesterday just to realize that rare/exclusive commodities aren't listed in the FC's commodity market.
High jump range and the ability to move your fleet without multiple ship transport costs is cool. Maybe you'll find the occasional lost soul desperate for fuel and repairs that they'll pay a premium for, but mostly it's a money pit if you use it for anything other than shuttling your ships around.
If I go mining LTDs or Tritium so I can buy a fleet carrier, can I order Chemical Distilleries to be delivered to it so I can upgrade the FSD on my Asp Explorer? Asking for a friend...
better question, why would you need to make money with fleet carriers when you can make more money in a few hours than you can spend in the game anyway?
I was so excited about carriers that i bought elite.... having watched your videos i think i might hold off from getting into elite for now. Thx. lets hope they sort this out.
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NPC's should be able to trade, buy, sell, repair, refuel and maybe rearm with your fleet carrier.
That would be good. Still see no reason for upkeep
Wait they can't?...wow. yeah FCs are straight useless.
after seeing the glut of carriers in almost every system i poked my ship into i wondered if this is what was happening, but i suspect it's just a drop point for player mining groups
Why, that would only solve 100% of the problem?
You need to think in -10% increments if you want a job at F-dev.
What if npcs would dock and you could give them missions...
mv hartmann You want another way to SPEND credits?
LOOK AT HOW THE TURNS HAVE TABLED!
In all seriousness though hiring NPCS to kill another player would be pretty cool and probably break the game even more.
@@CreeperDude-cm1wv I would spam my friends with elite leveled hostile NPCs and basically DDOS their game into oblivion. It would be great until I ran out of credits.
Just one example.
You could tell someone to get you some tritium and then you tell someone else to get it to a port with very huge prices and you get the money that you didn't pay to the npcs.
@@moritzhartmann8483
Ahh
Become lazy like frontier
As someone who stopped playing ED long time ago, this is the best entertainment that game can offer.
@@TheRealCatof Catharsis.
True, but even then this gets boring pretty fast too.
3:04 I laughed so hard I was legitimately brought to tears
The jump range and storage is nice. Saves time. That's about it.
I was looking at one evidently purely for that too, a place to park and switch between my ships, and possibly use it's jump range to explore distant stars out there...assuming it's able to jump to distant places like that.
@@benjaminbierley2074 I've been using mine lately to help out new players or anyone selling painite etc. Parked by a hotspot buying for the maximum that it allows. Currently buying for 715k per ton, helps a lot of new players who need credits but don't have the jump range.
I have a friend with a fleet carrier, we use it as a staging point for mining and as a collective base of operations for our entire friend group. her profit comes entirely through reselling what we mine for net gain at far away stations
I would much rather have a warehouse than a fleet carrier.
A real life warehouse...
isn't a carrier a mobile warehouse?
Outfitting and shipyards could work, if you do it in Colonia, where you struggle to find high end modules and ships. The secure warehouse upgrade might also work, as you can provide a safe haven for pirates to unload at (and show piracy as your specialty).
Just some speculation, of course....
I've seen people in colonia doing just that
FDev, let me use my HIRED NPCs and give them missions. Jonny, go shoot pirate. Jane, go mine diamonds while Jonny protects your ass. Yamiks.... toast your testicle hair in the sun's corona.
Why do any outfitting or ship purchasing on a fleet carrier when Li Yong Rui's discount empire exists?
There's one engineer that requires 200 land mines to unlock; I saw a carrier named "LANDMINES FOR SALE" parked above it selling them for a huge markup.
Well played
I also bought them off that place
I basically use my carrier as a mining outpost to store Ltds. so when I jump back from the triple Hotspot I sell the hold. made all the money back from buying and initial outfitting.
Read a post on reddit where a guy is coming back from the deep dark after exploring for over a year (he took a hiatus for a while) and has years of cartographic data he doesn't want to lose and is worried about getting ganked.
Obviously, we all told him to return in solo rather than open. Here is where I think if you have a fleet carrier you could make some profit.
While yes, you get less cash for selling your data at a carrier, if you have a lot of data and want to keep from losing it by heading back to the bubble, FCs parked in strategic locations out in the deep dark could make some coin by doing so.
Obviously, FC pilots would need to take initiative and spread the word they're out there, go on scouting expeditions themselves to find tritanium and mine up what they need to keep the carrier afloat.
Yes, a lot of ifs, but they might be able to pull it off.
its already in the works. there will be 1 to 3 carriers in every sector of the galaxy. last i checked even before the first beta, they had every planned slot filled by volunteers.
What you're describing is a risk reduction use, not an earning use. The whole problem with carriers is they can't earn any tangible credits on their own that scale with their recurring costs and massive initial investment. They were billed by the devs as a "lucrative investment" meaning they should - by design - be able to not just fully cover their upkeep, recoup their 6bn purchase price, but also give their owner something on top. Right now we are struggling to cover a tiny fraction of upkeep realistically.
You cant even offer people a price that would make them want to sell commodities to you.
The max you can offer for LTD's for instance is around 600kish (If you hold down the mousebutton for FIVE MINUTES, because why would anyone want to type in a number),
which bears the question of who in their right mind would sell you those things for 1/3 of what the vendors can pay you...
But then again, commodity prices have allways been a joke. Even the most killer deals will only net you 10k a ton. Thats ALOT of Clippers worth of cargo until you rake in 5b.
Ironically, its not like changing a bunch of numbers would be any effort for the devs, they seriously just dont seem to care if theres no ship-kit attached to it.
It saddens me to see so much potential being wasted.
I had mine set to the minimum so I could sell them to myself without breaking the bank and some poor sod docked and sold me a couple of hundred of them while I was away mining. An unexpected 250 million bonus for me but I did feel bad for whoever it was who went away thinking his million or so was a good deal.
Really? I was hoping that at least you can buy them for like 1.3m. That way you can buy them for 1.3m when there are no discovered locations that buy them for more, and then wen a location with 1.5m shows up you can jump there and sell them to the station yourself. But now it doesn't work i guess.
@@GhostMas7er Yeah, i was hoping for the same thing, but then again... Economy is a joke in ED.
Whats the point of the whole "background sim" if there simply isnt any "stuff" anyone would care about being affected by it?
I guess there's trit trading. One can buy the stuff for 4.5k at some stations and sell it for 50k at others.
@@stefangrobbink7760 I meant your not free to set a price. 1000% galactic average is the highest you can go, which in case of LTD's is
I thought the whole point of fleet carriers was to carry your fleet... meaning its for your squadron as a mobile base as opposed to a get rich quick scheme?
@@blueafternoon 12 million a WEEK are "crazy upkeep costs"?
I see the point of a mobile base, but usually the faction you support is in a system with station or near one. Unless you go away from your factions home system to oppose another faction.
@@Rakmarok Any repeating obligation to a game JUST TO STAND STILL is crazy. And if you want to see 300m cr/h "normal" become 6m cr/h in one mini patch, look at what happened with Smeaton, Rhea, Robigo, skimmer stacks etc. If you want to see upkeep prices going crazy in one little patch look into the history of normal fuel prices and repairs.
@@Rakmarok it seems like not a lot of upkeep when there is a crazy money method going on but when it's long and done do you really want to do a full day grind just to upkeep your fc for a week? Especially when there is not much use. That 5 billion you spent you might as well have just kept and made it last you many months of not needing to grind money.
@@UKGameShock 🤔
Why did i buy a FC? because i want a movable location to store all my crap instead of a home station, i want to explore with all my shit at the same time using it, i want to use it for trading ane mining. These where ALWAYS my only requirements for a FC. I dont give a shit about cost or upkeep, i just want to do these 3 things.
Enjoy the grind to get the fuel for your carrier.
@@planexshifter dont need to, i got 20k tritium from CMDRs selling it to my FC
*why did i rent a FC and put down a 5+billion deposit ?*
@@AndroidBeacshire credits mean literally nothing to me
@@nocturne_adagio i means you spent time earning them, it's your time to waste. I'd grind for a FC too if it was mine when i 'bought' it
seems atm carriers are being treated as taxi's for the most part
Can confirm; that's all they are.
Until we can set commodity prices to whatever the hell we want, them being Taxis is all they're ever gonna be. Hell, a carrier buying diamonds for 1m that's right next to Kirre's Icebox would be awesome and cool and awesomely cool; 1m per ton is the lowest anyone would be willing to sell their diamonds for, and they often go to 1.6m in some systems.
Miners get more credits per hour because of such a close sell point
Carrier Owners get their own profits for whenever they go sell all those diamonds themselves, enough to find their upkeep and pocket some extra.
You'd think FDev would know that...
wasnt playing for few months. i have a question, can we garage all of our ships there?
@@P3C0L4 I do believe so
@GiRayne it's a cool addition but also doesn't solve the problem of making money back with them. People can donate but you can't straight charge people for a ride. If it's a taxi then a fee should be an option.
@@P3C0L4 if you spend millions on the upgrade to.
Love the voices. It’s like Yamiks with 3 nuts.... and Yamiks with one nut.
Its fun stocking up on everything you can find, parking next to a station, and perform "find the commodity" missions with items already in your cargo hold.
The most annoying conundrum with fleet carriers is having enough money to buy one, but you don't because they aren't worth it, and then not knowing what to do with the $5B.
Tbh they have more use than I thought they would. It’s nice going over a thousand lys way to farm guardian structures or what have you and there being a carrier near by to re-fuel and re-stock.
Ever tried a fuel scoop?
These opinions clearly match what I have observed. Carriers are not profitable. They are a money sink only. I use my carrier as an exploration platform, however profits vs expenses sucks even with that job path. Exploration alone just can't effectively counter carrier costs. It becomes a credit grind, many hours investment is needed to just to break even. Carriers end up being a convenience tool with a high cost. They don't necessarily grant any core benefits.. and for elite, it is all about the credits and rate one can earn them. This "upgrade" goes counter to that fundamental mechanic
i think fleet carrier should be bought and managed by squadrons... would make more sence imo... squadron is the fleet and the carrier carries the fleet into battle RAH!
(jump far, even if you have a slow space battle brick)
Take the FC to the mining hotspot and fill up it's storage. Then jump to the best sell point and unload. Surely that would be profitable. Or get some bug hunters to dock up and jump to a Thargoid system to hunt. Then jump everyone back to turn in.
It is called a "Fleet Carrier" so I would look for ways to make money doing just that, carrying fleets.
The best return on investment, is to sell the carrier.
No, I collect 500t of ltd per day, buying Ltd's. I've made 2 billion so far so it's definitely returning the investment
@@revanu2140 How much of that 2bn was the carrier earning its own thing (by players landing on it and buying overpriced ships etc) and how much was another of your ships doing the actual work and the carrier just allowing a shortcut for jumping? If it just saved you jumps then you need to compare the jump time saved and multiply it by your cr/hr to tell you what benefit the carrier actually got you. Otherwise my car that I use to go to work earns $80k per year and not me.
@@geretstarseeker453 I didn't mine any of it, it was purely ppl landing and selling so its definitely paying off.
Geret Starseeker I’m making insane profit just from people selling LTDs To me and then me jumping to the highest sale system in one go to flip them for profit. When the best mining area is outside of the bubble, people tend to sell it to you for less just for the convenience of not having to make 10+ jumps
Besides, I’m still making my own stuff, but I don’t have to sell it right away I can just store it on my carrier. So while I’m out mining my own stuff, people are selling me theirs at a profitable margin, not to mention that I’m getting passive income just from people using the services, and it’s not only paying for itself, it’s paying me to have it
My carrier actually almost paid back the first year with somewhat passive income. Maybe i just got lucky with the parking lot
that sounds like those scams on tv.
You know the ones that go:
"I live in a mansion, here is my ferrari, and my trophy wife. How did I get so rich? By doing one simple thing. Buy my book and find out how you can be super rich too."
@@Chrono_Mitsurugi nah sounds like he made almost 5 billion in 12 months by setting buy / sell orders properly.
Fleet carriers can be the middlemen between miners and stations and profit from it.
I've actually made around 90 million just buying tritium for really cheap and selling it on my carrier for a few thousand below galactic average. It's not a lot but it is paying for my upkeep while I go hunting for other random things to sell. I plan on stocking the items you can only get in missions to sell as well. Still wish you could trade rare goods.
I think the idea behind the fleet carriers is to station them in the middle of nowhere so the community as a whole can explore more of the galaxy.I don’t think you should expect to make tons of money selling ships and modules, that’s just a perk for those that land at the station.
Getting your carrier outside the bubble is very expensive plus the chance that you'll meet someone out there in large numbers is very slim unless you set up a community event or something. Fleet carriers are just another tool by FDev to get players to grind in an already grindy game.
I had this beautiful idea of using them as cargo ships - outsourcing buying and selling the cargo to npcs, jumping with the carrier between systems when your cargo hold is full/empty. Then I realized the devs castrated this mechanic before it was even born - after all, a bit of passive income (not entirely, you still have to jump and set the prices) for your troubles of getting 5bn cr would make the game far too easy, wouldn't it?
Also, on a different note, why the hell do you sound like Mickey all of a sudden?
I don't personally own a fleet carrier, but one of my friends does and we take it all over to get very large margins on basic commodity trading. Buy dirt cheap, fly across the entire bubble with thousands of units in cargo, and sell it back to a station for massive profit. Boring repetitive gameplay, but a few hours of this can net you absolutely insane profits.
If npcs could buy things from your ship, that would be a great way to make money
I'm still kinda sad because you can't pilot these things, would pretty much be the only argument for buying one right now.
I think making jumps through a menu is a bit misplaced in elite honestly. At least show a bridge or a camera view outside when the carrier allignes and jumps... just a bit more entertainment for the huge fuking pricetag
The game designer was off sick for 2 years, otherwise the devs would have known all gamers obviously wanted to see the thing jump (in and out), know who was on the carrier maybe add them as a friend or let them sign a guest book, get special treatment from traffic control as the owner, see it leave the shipyard with a naming ceremony cutscene, have your NPC crew address you as 'chief' and ask your permission to do stuff, maybe even have faction reps treat you as a VIP.
I own a fleet carrier and completely agree they are useful to jump to a mining system and store stuff but that pretty much it
Probably going to sell it
Never did (exploit mining) until I had a carrier. Gives way to much money they need to upgrade bounty hunting
you forgot the best part of fleet carriers. where people took advantage of a bug that lets you buy exploration and trade data FOR PERMIT LOCKED SYSTEMS when on a carrier and find a locked system with no stations, a gas giant with 8 moons AND AN ECONOMY to find the dark wheel/raxxla. (yes, this has actually happened according to astro from d2ea)
I love FCs. Yesterday, someone accidentally (I presume) set tritium buyout price to 420k. Oh well, I, a newb, ran to get my full cargo (12 t) of tritium and sold it. Yay.
Ain't an accident. Some rich explorers just want their cargo filled up so they can yeet out into deep space as quickly as possible
@@PatrickRatman Yep, exactly this. Filling my type 9 and running back and forth between a station and my carrier got old.
list of things to make carriers not worse than stations:
- RRR (rearm, refuel, repair) Should be like a 10M module with no upkeep if noone is using that, and then if they use, owner pay 50% of standard station price, while client pay 1%-1000% of standard price (set up by owner and visible on EDDB or add in GUI)
- ships and modules, buy in bulk for
Summed up what i though about them perfectly.... But Also....
Now all our previous explorations, all those thousands of jumps, made meaningless coz just can sit in a carrier and jump with no skill, go further with no hard cost to effort and just be lazy and go further than everyone who previously travelled....
They diminish all the work we put in
😂😂😂😂 funniest comment yet. Man... just because you “wasted” your time doing that doesn’t mean other people need to do it. If you enjoyed it that, good for you.
Well something like 'the distant worlds community event' would not be as impressive if done now... So sounds like they have diminished the challenge of travelling so far
@GiRayne My perception? They HAVE put something in that makes mass travel easier and faster, thats a fact... YOU perceive it as as good or bad how you want coz thats your opinion but the fact remains the same.
Is travelling a country on a bus the same as walking across it oneself? NO it isnt
@GiRayne its made the game less rewarding because in the back of my mine i know i could just sit on the bus and get moved around without any work.
And options are good but adding easy modes again makes some challenges less rewarding. Someone whos been to edge of the galaxy is no longer such an achievement... But hay lets just have every option and just teleport everywhere and just make everything super easy coz space is just a piece of piss!
Now why don't you chill out coz why does my comment affect you? because i dont totally agree with your opining?
If your so happy with it why did you even comment coz your obviously just trying to start a fight which is sad
That last horse comment had me crying with laughter 😂😂
The FC's in the triple hotspot system are extremely useful and decently profitable.
Many of my friends and I buy limpets there/ or a surface scanner if we forgot one or limpets or repairs or weapons.
its worth paying the tariff for not going 50 LY's
And I'm seeing a lot of these FCs act like busses too. You'll have one saying "departing for new borann in 10 minutes, lockdown in 5." So their presence is allowing newer players to get to and from the col sector, which in that area has almost no refuelable stars.
Whats the name of that yodel music? I've been looking fot it.
Franzl Lang yodelling
So eddb.io does show you what FCs are selling, but it is not a perfect system. I don't think it immediately tracks when FCs move as I could not locate some carriers listed in the system. In other cases I would get to the FC and find out that it had sold out of what I was looking for. Eventually I got so frustrated trying to chase down a few modules I went to a regular station anyway even though it was 5 jumps to get what I wanted.
Maybe Fdev should make it where the AI can also buy and sell with carriers.
@yamicks why don't you mention that inara shows what fleet carriers have in commodity market?
Made around 4bil in a day with FC. About 18k tritium in storage. Have all services except black market. Upkeep taken care of for a year and a bil play money left over. I understand and agree that FC need work and Fdev need to overhaul markets so it can actually be useful for players but this whole "fleet carriers are useless" whining is exaggerated.
Like your vids tho 😁
I get a lot of the hate, but the PG I'm in is making great use of FCs in the current war we're in. allows us to use our large ships and restock in system despite there not being any stations with large pads. have a small or med ship on the FC to swap to for turning in massacre missions. I'm up to about the 400M mark in profit from this war and it's only been two days. FCs have helped keep that number high.
Find a popular mining spot. Park your carrier in orbit around it. Set landing permissions to open. Offer the various mining related modules (limpet controllers, rock honkers and so on) and of course LIMPETS at a modest markup. +1% maybe 2% markup at most. Offer 25% to 50% above galactic average for most everything worth mining out of that asteroid field. Many of the smaller miners are likely to accept your price(s) for the sake of convenience. The farther they have to jump to find a better price for their LTD's or Void Opals and such is the more risk they face of getting popped by a pirate.
Once or twice per week you can make a few runs with your Cutter to sell off whatever has been collected. Having that Cutter means you're safe from most if not all pirate activity. So you can afford to go the extra distance to get the better prices that are likely to be double or more what you paid.
Even if you only get a very few hundred LTD's in a week. That's more than enough to cover the upkeep on that carrier plus a bit.
Erm, you can rename the carrier what it sells/buys so it acts as a free advert. There are tons of ways to make money using FC with smart buying of market commodities from players, Literaly 25000 tons of ways ;)
I thought this was common sense, but clearly it isnt :D
I needed this. The pure contempt and frustration made my problems and annoyances seem small by comparison. You do the Lord's work
ahahaha like no one saw this coming? seems like people are surprised fleet carriers are shit... Did we have our heads in the sand over the past 6 months folks.. hmmm did we? and by we i mean you reading this and already formulating a reply defending this utterly stupid mechanic. But hey ho you can't help yourself so have at it. blaa blaa etc etc
Commodity markets do show carriers now which is nice, because there are some big profits selling to them. I would also say a specialized carrier is handy like the Meta-Mart selling meta alloy right outside the Farseer engineer system, which requires Meta alloy to access engineer.
Actually there's a subreddit that allows you to advertise trade opportunities with the commodity market, like profit for everyone involved.
CAn't i just use a fleet carrier to just store my ships in and fly around to areas and use my ships to go closer in to say?
What if you could sell your own ships there for whatever price you wanted? Like, you take your old hyper engineered ships and sell them at your carrier?
Or maybe you could set up a consignment scheme where people without carriers could also sell their ships at your carrier for a negotiated percentage fee?
Perfect idea!
Yeah but then that would allow players to avoid the massive grind that is engineering. And frontier seem to think that grinding is the only thing you should want to do
@@PatrickRatman I could see players farming mats to set their own ship dealerships with various engineering packages. Say a max specced A fsd drive hauler or adder at a carrier in a common noob system for I don't know, 1.5M each
My carrier is for storage only.
Ive stored 1000 units of everything and ready to sell at massive profit.
Aight.... I'ma go play X4 foundations now
Jump range seems to be the only viable reason for having a carrier, but even the it can't be worth the cost imho..
You can easily tell that someone is selling something or buying something because they show up on Inara and EDDB. This means that they are also showing up in game on the "trading tools" as well, but let's be honest, even Fdev knew we were going to use external resources anyway.
Fairly sure they aren't designed as a way to make money, they're a money sink. The services are more for friends/squadrons than anything atm. Don;t buy the repair/refuel/outfitting/shipyard to make money, buy it so you and your friends can repair/refuel and store their ships/modules too.
I remember I had to buy a meta alloy on a carrier because there wasn't any I could buy that was close and ended up buying it for 1.6 million
I really hope FD are watching this.... This could'nt have been said any better.
I bought a carrier, submitted it to AXI and i'm having a blast 🤔 they can be improoved, sure... but i'm really liking it
I find it odd how negative you are about these when the overall response in game seems to be very positive and most of the people who have an FC seem happy with them and the gameplay emerging from them.
Yea I’m one happy user. Fc is surprisingly useful, would not be without it. People complain about price. They should learn how to make cr in game.
I'm selling mine. I was excited to have one but the shipyard and components store ruined it for me. And the fact that despite NPCs landing at FCs, THEY BUY NOTHING! It's totally ridiculous! NPCs should buy some goddamned fuel! Or repairs! OR sell commodities to me. Not buy but at least sell. Then the package system. Fleet carriers have a VERY LIMITED amount of space when it comes to adding features. So in stead of allowing the players to customize what we SELL BY ITEM we have to sell useless crap in PACKAGES. It is inflating the prices enormously and the amount of space it takes up. I wanted to sell ONLY A rate parts and only the ones people actually use. You can't. Guess what, you can only sell about 2 packages (decent ones) multirole advanced ships and lets say cargo racks tier2 or 3. USELESS! Plus as yamiks said you can't advertise anything. I figured before they launched the feature they would add a galnet tab for FC advertising like your carrier name and services and it lists based on proximity to you.
Thats actually a really cool idea
I reinstalled this game and finally earned enough to buy an anaconda. Might even try to grind to a Billion credits. But at the end of every play session, I keep thinking of the uninstall button.
1 Billion as a starter is done in 1 day. See for guide on RUclips
There's already way to many carriers in the game slowing it down.
Obviously it works as a prestige object, so it shouldn't really earn you money. You can't allow everybody to keep a carrier.
However it would be fun if other players could simply donate for upkeep costs.
Theoretically, a carrier COULD be used for bulk trade. You take it to an origination system, load it up with commodities, take it to the destination system, unload it. The catch is, to make it worth the travel time, the two systems would need to be at least 2 jumps apart.
With Tritium trading the way it is right now, there is pretty much no point to this. HOWEVER, if and when tritium trading either gets nerfed or the bubble pops, this may be something worth trying.
You've spent eg 6billion on a FC. Why do you need to earn credits? Do you not still have x billion credits?
I think that is my favorite Yamicks rant yet! 😎
I'm waiting in hope that it may make some sense in the future sometime, to get one...
Until then I am keeping my Billions,
Frontier tax free... 😎
Inara shows fleet carrier markets and services. I used it to find a carrier that bought ltds for 900k the other day.
Carriers make really good space ubers for the new borann 2 mining
I heard some people were docking their fleet carriers close to mining hotspots and naming them something like "I buy LTD for 900M", so I guess there's that at least?
I was tritium trading and all the best sells I saw on inara were carriers that weren't publicly accessible
I have a feeling some of those are set up so the twats buying can just wait outside their ship to gank you
@@PatrickRatman u can land there and buy in solo mode too
@@joepiscapo1879 im aware of this, but there are people who don't want to use solo because its cheap as hell. i use solo only when i have to, and now that i have loads of expendable income im less worried about gankers. like "oh no, you blew up my t9 7mm away from my carrier, i guess i'll just get another one and wait for you to leave/go in solo"
and honestly, thats never gonna happen cause gankers know that in a FC you don't have to spend barely any time in supercruise to get between station and FC.
Here's an idea, set up near an engineer system, and buy all ships and modules that are not sold in the system, then find some way to advertise it.
Why do you even play this game? I'm not trying to call you out or anything, I'm just genuinely interested, what about this game appeals to you? I know Elite is far from perfect and I would like to change some things, but I also think it's a great game. I really enjoy doing the BGS work, being a part of a group with a goal, even powerplay, despite there not being much to it. I just love that your little actions can have an impact on an entire galaxy. And I love that you can just set out into the black whenever the mood strikes and have your name on stars on the other side of the galaxy. I don't find those things a grind, I enjoy doing them. Those things are the game. But some of my friends think this game is the most boring pile of garbage they ever spent money on. And I understand what they mean because Elite is a very niche game. It's just not for everybody.
And whenever I watch any other content creator, they complain about things as well, and they have their opinions and their criticisms, but for everyone else, I know why they play this game despite those criticisms. It's either combat, exploration, trading, BGS work, or whatever else. Everyone else has some sort of community around them and they work towards a common goal. And whenever I watch your stuff, I really can't tell what is it that you enjoy. You don't have a PMF, you don't do BGS, you don't do pve, or pvp, exploration is boring, mining is boring, you don't enjoy trying out new ship builds because engineering is a grind...
All I ever see you enjoy is complaining. Complaining for complaining's sake. I know that's your whole shtick, but when everything sucks and nothing is good, then really your opinion doesn't matter. Because as far as I can see this game just isn't for you. But maybe I'm wrong, so I just wanted to ask you, what about Elite do you enjoy? Not what you think is an objectively good game mechanic, that's not what I'm talking about. I want to know but what about Elite brings you actual joy while you are doing it.
And if there really isn't such a thing, if you really are playing just because it's your job, I get that, just maybe don't make it so obvious. Or you know at least try to have some fun. I mean you have 80k subscribers, if you cant create a community that's focused around something, then that's just sad.
Or I don't know, maybe just keep doing what you are doing, because what the fuck do I know, you seem to be doing great.
Well, that's all I had to say about that. I really didn't want this to be that long, but I just couldn't stop. So thanks a lot, you turned me into one of "those" people :/
Bye.
Well, this isn't quite what I was expecting...but being a sensible man like Yamiks, I can appreciate some decent criticism.
Fleet carrier commodity market is on Inara
From the start devs had a hard-on for upkeep. Until the blood returns to their brains and they detoxify the FC mechanics, I'm not touching the fleet carriers.
What ever happened to "playing your way"? The devs clearly have an intended way to use carriers, and they just nerfed the best method to keep the repomen away. You only have to shoot yourself in the foot so many times before it looks like beaten dead horse meat.
I hope when the add new ship’s to the game the add blueprints and you need to craft down with carrier so you can buy from players only,plus add option where you can add carrier types in maps so you know it’s mining trading etc add some industrial to the game
This sounds pretty nice, at least the Blueprint part. Would be nice if they add some of the materials traders as modules too.
just no please no
I want the carriers gone. The system map and other interfaces are filled with all these badly named ships spammed all over the system mess with immersion. I filter them out but they are still popping up everywhere.
I hate it.
Lol "muh immursion!" Meanwhile every mission and game mechanic in the game be like "nah"
With this fleet carrier update, I'm more than happy being that little fishy attached to the belly of a bigger fish...and just picking up on the leftovers.
People are putting 100% tarifs on the fleet carrier when they are parked next to a station. They are useful for exploration, and that's about it.
Have you... Actually tried using it for anything? The thing has a MASSIVE cargo hold. You can do anything from mass buying and selling trit to stacking multiple rare goods inside and selling them all at once. Just don't expect to make a bunch of passive money unless your carrier has some way of giving the players working from you some profit
I can't even afford one so don't take my comment seriously, but 100% tarifs next to a station with zero tarifs is kind of dumb.
@@PatrickRatman Is there a quicker way to fill it up than shuttling back and forth with ~700t of cargo in a T9? I want to fly a smaller ship most of the time, not fly the T9 barge over and over and over.
White yamiks sounds like a Latvian micky mouse
you can make money on the off bubble mining sites
I don’t know what you are all doing wrong I’m making billions every day with my fleet carrier this a dream come true. But I couldn’t do it alone. Squads help more then you know
Once... I will stock up Asp Scouts.. :D and give em for free.. :D
Let's admit, FD done at least two things good - they let players build starports, but expensive ones. Other players, however shouldn't dock to FC for long time, unless they clearly know owner plans.
Second, they made commodities storage, but only for FC owner.
You would only buy these if you had a tonne of cash in the first place, what is then left to buy once you have one? Nothing, except the odd ship, module and upkeep. So what's the point in wanting to make loads more money once you have one? What would you spend those billions on?
because u use it for travel, exploration...base of operations for goid hunting..mat farming.etc etc list goes on and on... elite is not just about credits.. the only limit to carrier is your imagination, elite can be played however u want for the most part.. If u dont find a use for a carrier then thats on u
I thought filliing it with engineer unlock comodities to cash in on lazy commanders. Guess what, you can't trade those in a Fleet carrier
What? That’s bull shit, that was my next idea after my mining rush
@@Rena_Skuxy Yeah I hauled some units of lavian brandy to my FC yesterday just to realize that rare/exclusive commodities aren't listed in the FC's commodity market.
Does anyone know if they are being used for ganking yet? Was my fear when I first heard they were coming.
Not for ganking yet people use them as taxis mostly including gankers..
I think it's more about location. Everyone would use a fleet carrier orbiting Beagle Point.
I want to put one on the way to the colonys for fuel.
High jump range and the ability to move your fleet without multiple ship transport costs is cool. Maybe you'll find the occasional lost soul desperate for fuel and repairs that they'll pay a premium for, but mostly it's a money pit if you use it for anything other than shuttling your ships around.
I think thw best use is to use fleet carriers to help evacuations and serve as a mobile base of operations
If I go mining LTDs or Tritium so I can buy a fleet carrier, can I order Chemical Distilleries to be
delivered to it so I can upgrade the FSD on my Asp Explorer? Asking for a friend...
they are useful to transport mass amounts of ships to the sell system of LTD
better question, why would you need to make money with fleet carriers when you can make more money in a few hours than you can spend in the game anyway?
Commodities market. Buy low. Sell high.
I was so excited about carriers that i bought elite.... having watched your videos i think i might hold off from getting into elite for now. Thx. lets hope they sort this out.
INARA tracks the availability of commodities on FCs. You just gotta hope the FC stays open.
That’s a good point though, why can’t we view what the carrier is carrying? lol.
You can in system map.