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@@ИгорьКратоссов It functions more like a mobile starport. For the Merc role, it is possible to use a carrier to transport ships to conflict zones that either have no station nearby or only have an outpost nearby.
Upkeep should be replaced with having to pay a fee to park your carrier in a busy system. The busier the system, the higher the fee. Uninhabited systems in the middle of nowhere would be free to park your carrier in. This deals with the congestion issue, while taking away all the harm that upkeep inflicts on explorers. Decommissioning should only happen to carriers left in a busy area that do not keep up with rent
I don’t see what a casual player would even get out of this, so the point seems quite moot. This is only really something a hardcore invested player would ever utilise fully, and I don’t see everyone being handed a fleet carrier as being a good outcome either. It’s like complaining about not being able to play Grand Master level matches in Overwatch because you only login every now and then to play casual.
I'm going to be creating a community based exploration carrier. The carrier will jump at the same time every week (3000-10000 ly) All registered commanders travelling with the carrier can vote on the next destination.
That would be cool. Like some of the old community events? I wouldn't mind doing it just to see more of the galaxy I wouldn't normally see cause I'm grinding near SOL lol
My thoughts to. I come and go from games, I have just restarted Baldur's Gate 2 again and maybe ill finish it this time! Although I have restarted, that was my choice, and I could have carried on from my save without a problem.
@@smartroadbiker The amount of times I restarted BG2 before I got to the underdark lol. Weird game design that they put all the branching open world stuff in the second chapter. Like you haven't played BG2 until you got all the different strongholds at least once.
You probably can sell it I assume. Or not leave too much money in carrier bank. It's mostly so that systems do not get overrun with player carriers (a problem that already is quite apparent). I love to shit on FDev but this one actually seems reasonable to me.
as mentioned in video, you get your 5bil back if your carrier get decommisioned. Max debt is 250mil which isn't that much when you consider how much you can make per hour. Not to mentioned max upkeep per week is only 25mil. Might be a lot for new player but for anyone with at least Asp explorer, it's not really that much as long as you play the game. And if you don't play, why do you need a carrier?
@@Mithguar Exactly, it balances itself out. I can see some casuals getting pissed because they can't reach the content made for people who are willing to work for it (Of which there are tens of thousands already in possession of a capital ship) but...the game wasn't made for them. It was made for the 11,000 people who met up in a system this week with their cap ships and solved what should have been a week long mystery in 6 hours, digging through over 4,700 systems. Plus, if you're smart enough to make any significant amounts of money in this game, you can easily walk away with over 300 mil in profit every single day. Or more, depending on what ship you're using. By my calculations, that's enough for 12 weeks of downtime.
I just came here because..... IS YOUR VOICE IN THE F* GAME? I arrived at Obsidian Orbital in Maia, and I was just thinking "It'd be awesome if the devs got Obisidian his own station and all of that" and when I dock I just hear your voice inside the damn station! AWESOME man... just awesome!
the problem is not the FC itself, but what can you do with them. Well, pretty much all ships in elite have that problem. They are boring AF. Even for the owner, FC is boring, you can't do anything. and for travelers if you go to a FC, is so dull and boring like watching a paint dry
Someone should setup like an “engineer taxi” for their fleet carrier, have a set schedule to the different parts of the galaxy that it jumps to weekly, That way players can get together and work on the grind without having to worry about those crazy distances. Kind of like @Darran Styler
I'm a year late, but the Fleet Carrier Owners Club have this. They provide services to all sorts of places for free (including Engineering routes). Colonia, Sag A, etc. All the best.
I would love a mini carrier. I'd be happy with one that can carry a maximum of 4 ships, does not have a shipyard, or whatever. Just a repair shop, perhaps a bit of module storage, fuel storage... stuff like that
Ive always wanted an exploration ship with little runabout ships so i can go dick around canyon flying on an undiscovered planet and stuff, but ship launched fighters have no supercruise and the hanger is too heavy for exploration.
@@nrm8831 It's called Anaconda with fighter... Everything else you can already fix is one way or another. Synthesise ammo, limpets, fuelscoop for fuel, use repair limpets to repair hull.
Yeah well 1 carrier per system, right? Wouldn't make sense for inactive player carriers littering the map. You can make the upkeep costs back through the carrier itself.
@@assassinaria "littering the map" is not an issue as Frontier can just make your carrier invisible if you haven't played in awhile. Upkeep is a complete scam.
Isn't it salary for the ai running it? Thats what owning a business is... salary, expenses etc I can't own a business without upkeep costs. Scam? Lol crazy statement
"If you attack you own carrier, you'll go to a prison ship" Can you imagine that, you accidentally kick your cars tyre, then police appear "right, you're nicked" I like the idea of carrier's more than when they were first revealed, but won't be getting one anytime soon. Just got my corvette and am close to engineering it fully. That's keeping me more than happy. Plus have space legs to look forwards too.
*Can you imagine that, you accidentally kick your cars tyre, then police appear "right, you're nicked"* More like, you accidentally shoot out your car's windows, then the cops arrest you for public endangerment and disturbing the peace.
I still don't understand Upkeep, I mean you owe someone for buying a fleet carrier? it's not 100% yours then. I would understand it if instead of debt the services would just stop working and the fleet carrier itself would shutdown. That's more logical, you don't owe anyone but people working on your carrier will no longer do so because you don't pay them for the services they're providing. But that mean you're carrier will not get decomissioned and therefore is yours, even if it's a piece of metal parts wandering through space, shut down. [Edit] also jump range should be upgradeable, 500ly jump it's not far enough if you can make a 300ly jump in an anaconda through neutron stars.
cmdrs-toolbox.com/fleet-carrier-calculator Thanks to this though I know now that, if you have every service on, you can farm LTDs within a week or less and have enough money to run your fleet for more than a year.
@@Maurilustrador Could you please explain LTD? Low temperature diamonds? It still is pay to rent not own so I'm against it for sure one week of how many hours a day farming?
@@ltcshow6175 Just like you pay for repair and refueling your ship. And before you start with: but i don't loose my ship. yes you do if you don't pay rebuy.
@@fistsofsnake5475 What are you going on about Fists of Snake???? You pay for repair if the SHIP YOU FLY gets damaged. You lose your ship if you don't have the funds to rebuy with insurance this one can't be lost read my other post I made in the comments. This was done really badly...
You could just read why. The FC has a crew & captain, the more modules you unlock, the more crew it needs. You think the thing magically pilots itself? You think it magically refuels and repairs your ships when you land? You think the Ship yard and outfitting are operated by nothing? It's NPC crews (that you dont see lol). Pretty sure this was in the initial announcement
I wish a micro fleetcarrier. With only like 1 medium and 2 small landing pads. You can land them on large pads, it uses normal fuel, just with a huge fsd and landing pads
That would be cool if you could Land one on a planet. Could use your SRV to mine all day and sell your minerals. Odyssey might make that interesting as well.. I think before they add something like that they would need to update multi-crew so it's easier to connect with friends and also allow them to fly your ships. For personal use, I can see it being nice because i always find I'm swapping between at least two specific jobs anyway.. At least with your version you can actually pilot it!
This is what I was hoping for, a smaller option for people who just want to take a few ships with them, store some stuff and be able to refuel in an emergency. Buuut nope. This is for people who want to make this a career, literally. It took me 426 hours of gameplay to get to 1.5 billion credits. No way I'm playing another 1000 just to get a carrier, then have to play probably 15 hours a week just to keep it. Ridiculous, but we all knew it was going to be. No, I'm happy with my AspX and Phantom.
1. Your sense of scale is wrong. A ship that can land on Large landing pad could maybe fit a small ship in. You should look up the biggest ship that hardly fits into mail slot, Type-10... But you can still get one of big ships, a fighter on it and so on. You don't want a carrier. You want Anaconda... or Type 10 or something. They have SRVs, Fighters.
@@abrotherinchrist if you need 15 hours a week to earn 25 mil (max possible upkeep) then i have no clue what you do when playing. With mining, trade, even combat missions, 25 mil in an hour is easy. When optimising for profit, people easily do 100-500mil per hour. Base Upkeep is 5mil, with basic services it will be still under 10 mil per week. This is far from a grind. And you can always decommission it and get your 5bil back...
That doesn't actually sound that bad, but what about refueling? Doing missions? I've never heard of anyone making 500 mil/hr. The most I've ever made personally is about 80 mil, which is still pretty good. I don't do wing mining, though. I bet people make bank with that.
Ye lmao, I saved up enough creds for one but when they released that info I couldn't justify the purchase. I mean, space stations do that exact thing lmao why the fuck would I buy one to do the same thing as a station in a nearby system or a station that's down the road
@@brandonedwards1181 Actually, I was surprised to find that you *can* move in system. Not in super-cruise like ships, but for 5t you can jump from body to body, room permitting, which is useful in binary+ systems, even with warm up. I've done it three times, still working my way up to leaving the nest, while mining for tritium.
most people that complain have sunk many hundreds of hours into the game already. in fact elite is my most played game of all time with over 800h and i havent even played the game for almost a year now. the thing is just that the game constantly rewards you for your actions until it doesnt anymore, which is when you hit late-late game and when either your gameplay loops have nothing left to offer or the goals you have in mind require HUGE amounts of grind.
Oh, you've EASILY got a few hundred more hours before you become as jaded as most long-term players. 😂 And, hopefully by then, Odyssey will be out! But seriously, *enjoy* it while it's still new. The first 100ish hours are the best. Take your time. Don't rush to become ultra-rich or buy that Anaconda, Cutter, or Corvette. My best memories of playing E:D over the years were when I was still finding my way and working my way up. I loved running missions to JUST be able to afford that new A-rated FSD, or doing some smuggling to pay for shield upgrades. Being excited to finally afford that Cobra I'd been working towards, but feeling a little sad to have to trade in my Adder to afford it. Those are where this game really shines, I think. I've had an engineered Cutter with Powerplay modules and all the bells and whistles for over a year now, and there's honestly nothing I really look forward to doing in the game anymore.
Honestly, if there were actual player factions or guilds that could share the cost and upkeep, I think FCs could work and wouldn't be such a deal breaker. Im not saying individual players shouldn't own one, Im just saying an actual guild system and allowing players a little more direct and immediate influence over the games universe would really breathe some new life into this game. Who knows, maybe we could actually expand the bubble with that direct player interaction
FC looks like a fondation block to build upon, I hope that once they're integrated in the game frontier would revalue some of the restrictions and give us more freedom for customization. To be honest I haven't thought what I'm gonna do with FC, I'll give it a try and if I like it I'll figure something out
I mainly want one as a huge cargo transport, since just with current polymer prices and the 25,000 cargo space you would make more then 200,000,000 credits per round trip.
thats not really that much, you could have it stationed next to a triple spot LTD ring tho, buy LTD for like 700k then jump to a station buying it for 1.2M, netting you 500k without having to mine at all
@@CMDRunematti It wasn't directed to me but really thanks for this info CMDR, I will re-install Elite this weekend and start my grind to complete the money for the FC and this must be just the way I will do it
@@AbdullahBR_ oh no, mate, I'm only speculating that could be a good way, I haven't tried FCs at all yet! please treat this only as an idea to experiment with 😅 I would love to hear how it went tho! EDIT :also as far as I know, after jumping to the system you sell in, you have to ferry over all of that 25000 tons with your own ships, you can't sell from your carrier directly to stations!
@@CMDRunematti except there wont be any known 3x hotspots. Iirc in beta the borann 3x was no longer there. So until we know whether they changed the spawn algorithm to not allow them or whether it was just an unintended butterfly effect from adding tritium that's not an option. May change on live but it wasn't there in beta.
#1 they require upkeep and as such you are forced to log in to keep the carrier. This was a dealbreaker for many people with a regular life that can't spend hours in game just to pay the upkeep, and play once in a while. You don't lose your anaconda if you don't play a month; which is an end game ship that you paid and saved to get, so why should you lose your carrier? They can despawn it for what I care; so I won't make profit while I am away
While I have the money for one of these, I don't think I'll end up buying one, simply because I don't feel that I would be able to use it to it's fullest extent
Im the same. I want one, but I dont play enough now to warrant it with all the upkeep costs. If they drop the price by about 1.5 bil I might do it. It would be nice if they offered different sized ones.
You could go to a star that looks exactly like the last one you went to! Or a station that looks exactly like the last one you went to! Or fight some NPC ships that look exactly like the last one you fought. So exciting.
Does it really matter if you won't use it to its fullest extent? The point is, if it's useful to you, if it serves some purpose that makes it worthwhile, why not get one? My current plan is to get one, use it to transport several of my ships to Colonia for the engineering I want to do to them there, transport them all back to the bubble again, then sell the carrier. One round trip instead of doing it half a dozen times. To me, that's good value.
With the LTD3 hotspot I was able to mine north of 500 million profit a day before the update. Hold out for another low temp diamond hotspot to be found my friend.
Idk man I was in the triple hotspot before this update and couldn’t find LTDs any where I found like 5 asteroids max that had them. I don’t get how people got 500million worth the grind didn’t see worth it to me.
Only the dedicated regular players. Silly mechanics these "running" costs which are basically payments to the game to keep it even though players are paying in full upon purchase...
I think they're going to fail as a concept, the running costs are too high and you can't really do that much with them. And the first time one needs to get fuel ratted will create a massive ragestorm, i bet.
Really a disappointment, I just started playing.... heard these being talked about, and was excited that we might be getting capital ship type combat ability.... but nah, not really worth it. Even with the money maker spots way outside the bubble, just not seeing 5billion+ upkeep.
What's confusing about engineers? All you do is collect materials then go to the engineer and select the upgrade you want. It's not hard or complicated.
I was hyped for so long about these before they were actually introduced, up until they revealed that you'd have to pay upkeep. It's a deal breaker for me, I'd love to have one, but I want to HAVE one, not rent one. Maybe we can reverse engineer some thargoid tech to make a hybrid with one that runs itself for no upkeep...
@@p0k314COM I'd rather not be forced to come back all of the time, especially not after I pay such a huge lump sum. And upkeep has no place in video games imo. We're supposed to escape from reality, not go through tedious motions to get by, or do things like pay rent. It's not like it's a system that benefits anyone EXCEPT to keep player retention up. I'd argue it's a poor way to do so. People should be incetivised to play by what they can get, not by keeping what they already payed for.
there's probably a team of people working on different systems on the carrier, that expect to be paid. One person cant operate a huge carrier. I think thats one reason why you have to pay the upkeep
Why would they though? A DBX Will reach the destination much, much faster. There's really nothing useful about these FCs, besides being large storage lockers.
You won't see it coming to rescue you as it will go into orbit at a random location around a selected orbital body in the system you ran out of fuel in. The rats are likely to position carriers in the far reaches of space for their members to base themselves at. I think it will make deep space ratting quite interesting
Yeah I was personally a little bit disappointed with the beta hopefully they add like, giant Capital ships for war? but it's still gonna cost a lot of money.. With the way Frontier treats combat missions I would say it would cost twice as much for a warship if not more. In theory you could possibly passively make money if you set it up right, but it's kind of boring for me personally.
You do know what EULA stands for then? You never own any music or software or film you buy. You merely have a licence to use them. If you did own them, then you’d basically be a shareholder of the copyright. And then they pay you.
If you buy a F-22 raptor for exemple you'll have maintenance cost and fueling cost with it its not a renting fee its an upkeep fee, i know its sucks but i understand why its there its not renting though...
@@sebastiengoulet360 You're F-22 Raptor won't be taken away from you if you ignore your maintenance or forget to refuel it. Fleet Carriers are 100% rentals.
Well buddy boy, you missed out on the triple overlapping hot spot of Borann A2 for LTD. it’s gone now. It got me up to about 2.5 billion in assets. I’m still trying to upgrade my current ships and unlock engineering and get guardian tech so I kinda ran out of time by the time I started playing again :/
As a regular pilot, I'm interested in simply docking at one carrier, and the next time I start up, I'm in a completely different part of the galaxy. Some fun adventure :) And then, after returning to where the carrier is expected, you find nothing and are stranded. Hey, a new business model, next to "fuel rats" there could be "rescue mules", picking up pilots far away...
LOL! As someone that only plays Elite for a while every few months, this would be kind of interesting! I should hop in, find a carrier, dock at it, then be surprised to find out where I end up next time I log on. haha
I see a lot of people getting SUPER pissed about FC running costs, but it seems like they don't do their research. You can accumulate 250 million credits total debt. It costs 5 million credits per week to operate a completely unmodified, fresh-out-of-the-factory FC. That's 50 _weeks_ before it faces decommissioning, plus an additional week that you have at the end to pay off the debt; that's 51 weeks. A full, complete year is 52 weeks. You can essentially have an unmodified Fleet Carrier for a full year without paying anything except the initial 5 billion credits.
Imo the weekly upkeep has to go away. It's just doesn't feel good to know that your fleet carrier could be gone because you forgot it for a long time. I'm really interested in getting one to park it somewhere in mid of the galaxy or at some other special place. At best groups could organize player made Bubbles around Sagittarius a for example.
Thanks for the list OA. Love the beautiful vistas you always have in the background of your discussion / list videos! I just don't understand why Fleet Carriers HAVE to be persistent. I have no interest in setting up a shipyard or commodities market. I just a way to move my personal fleet to where-ever I want to go in the black. As it is, I play too seldom to want to bother with all of this upkeep malarkey. so I'm not at all enthused about Fleet Carriers - despite the fact that I cannot actually afford to buy one to start with. Fleet Carriers feel more like a stab in the chest than an invitation to return to Elite Dangerous from Frontier. I really agree with The Yamiks.
For those who don't already know: the FC update turned out to be awesome, which brought the mining community alive, and lots of player cooperating, doing taxi service and providing outfitting with their FCs as stations, and so on. Log in and check out whats going on in the "ICEBOX" COL 285 SECTOR CC-K A38-2. Search for "Xiba's Jewel" (4X SSD Rock) nicknamed "the egg". Elite was never this alive!
Point no. 18, There nothing but credit sinks! Seriously, What the hell is the point of FCs.. Seams like there just designed to take your money and keep you logging in with no real benefit, No new game play, No new reason to keep logging in and maintaining an FC. The ONLY reason to use an FC i can see that would be of any real use is to use it as an FOB when your out exploring.. Thats it, Does that justify spending 5bill and all the upkeep?
@@PumpkinTuna There could be a plethora of ways to prevent that. Like removing fleet careers of inactive players after a certain amount of time -and then allow those players to respawn them once they return to the game months down the line.
@@MrSpy13011 Isnt that pretty much what decomissioning does? it despawns it and you get your money back. Besides with the adjustments I cant see why people can go out and mine 5 billion credits, but not some millions more to pay the upkeep for at least 6 months
@@1SevenCirclesDesign Pretty much but not the same. With the upkeep mechanic, before it goes into debt and gets decommisioned, it drains it's bank account. With a timer, there would be no credit loss as punishment for not playing the game.
Why would I pay 5b for something that forces me to grind money for upkeep? Also: it will eventually be reminder that all interresting spots has been visited by someone already and the "I discovered it first" feeling wont be there at all. Also its another space e-dick to flex on other players. No thanks.
I wish there was a way to see what commodities the fleet carrier is buying and or selling without having to land on a station close to it. Also another thing that may help is if they add active with course set and location it is jumping to. The fleet carrier when it don't have a course set will also have inactive indicator with how many days it has been sitting by there.
I'm so happy for my carrier !! i can now refuel and repair my ships !! OHH WAIT....YOU CAN REFUEL AND REPAIR ON A STATION ???? Oh man why did i buy it !!....BUHAHAHA !!! Wake the fuck up people.....Carriers are just like yachts in GTA5.....expensive and worthless
So wait, you can't even *fly* the carrier?? (I've been out of the game for ~ 2 years, so carriers are new to me) - and with 20 minutes per 500 lyrs they're ~ 4x *slower* than a 70 lyr-range ship via neutron stars? Wtf? This has to be the lamest addition to the game so far.
OA, been watching you for a few years now. My man, always on the money with your reviews. I know how much you like the feeling of new discovery that only comes with exploration. I'm with you on that one. Fdev really missed an opportunity here. FC's cost I can get my head around. They are big. It's the limited capability that will keep me from buying one. Just not enough new utility that I don't already have. The real kicker is they needed a longer jump range imo. A lot longer. Almost 6 years ago ED released and today we have only seen about 1% of the entire galaxy! C'mon, someone at Fdev should have done some math and allowed Fleet Carriers to bump that up to 10% or even 20%. Would that really have been to much to ask for? It's not too late. Just a code change. Anyway, never commented before but you asked and I answered. Cheers brother! Keep up the good work as always!
Even if they give it 5000 ly range that wouldn't change much. People just fly in the same direction, so they would still explore around the same point.
omfg its just an instance isn't it lmao 5 bil for your very own signal source instance ffs im dead hahaha. OK show of hands who is going to let them selves be taken hostage by the game for a shittier version of a station. (because they aren't everywhere, or free lol)
I mean, 99% of the galaxy doesn’t have any stations. And I for one don’t wanna spend all of my time in the same hundred light-year bubble that the majority of my gameplay has been in
@@aeringothyk5445 isn't that the point of exploring though? kind of guts the sense of adventure if hopping over to sag a is little different than going from sol to leesti. just think seeing the core will never feel as satisfying for you as it did for me and so many others now that literally anyone can get taxied over there. the worth and mystique. the sense of accomplishment that few others could stomach the journey. that's gone now.
Have to say that I think a better alternative to upkeep would have been a maintenance system with things failing if not maintained and requirng mats and stuff (and ultimately a trip to a yard) to maintian them, actually think this would have been a good mechanic for repair limpets too...
I'd be interested to know what would the annual upkeep would be for one of these things with all its systems enabled. I think this upkeep is the most ridiculous thing ever. It is literally the only thing stopping me from ever buying one.
@@MinistryOfMagic_DoM - I'm pretty sure the trick is to sell the services back for a refund *before* you decommission the carrier. You will still lose out some percentage, but that way you get back most of your money.
basically if you want to do a deep space exploration with all your ships, you still need to earn money to transfer and pay it, thus you need to have 1 account with a medium cargo ship (Python) to stay behind as you will not be able to go along on the journey as you must remain behind and pay the bills. Then have a second account to that will travel with the carrier....... thats what I picked up from this video.
On the surface they sounds useful.. But if you dig deeper what are they actually useful for? Just a shop front? Can they be used as a mining drop off point for multiple mining rigs like in Eve?
I had a few ideas for them.. For buffing exploration, I was hoping maybe to help with travel times, you could eventually warp to Fleet carriers and send a bunch into deep space for world records or to setup fuel rat bases or something lol My other idea was trying to setup a fleet carrier specifically designed for charity for new players. Have it be stationed right outside Noob space and basically have a setup where players that have been playing since the beginning can give back to the noob community joining in on Odyssey. Or maybe give new players a goal?? Have a fleet carrier full of low temperature diamonds selling for cheap but have it move constantly outside the bubble like a merchant ship. Might be fun for the roleplaying aspects? But I hope they add more FC styles/classes and I'm curious what the livery customization will look like?
Haha if there's an endgame player that did it to me, seeing them owning such a massive beast and selling me one of the most expensive stuff for cheap, I'd definitely be interested in reaching that point and do the same. :D But the upkeep is a dealbreaker for me. I'd wanna own it, not rent it.
@@zephyrerazortail5478 Yeah if you're doing it for charity you would be renting it, but in order to sell Commodities the right way, FC's should be setup so basically it'll be paying for itself or even make huge profits, but that would take some planning and knowledge that I feel most players (including me) probably don't have. most players just look up online what the best places are to go anyway. I figure even after the release they're still going to need some changes and updates as we go on. Odyssey looks like it'll add fun gameplay loops and hopefully better ways to make money and that won't be an issue in the future.. I'll just keep complaining till they fix it lol
Have said this in another ObsidianAnt's video but I want to expand a little. The upkeeps and prices were ridiculous at the beginning but now they seem a lot more reasonable; I find it funny that there are people willing to mine out 5 billion credits but unwilling to secure their FC for months with a couple hundred million. Some comments point towards despawning your FC after some inactive time so you can have it back when you return, isnt this what decomission already does? It despawns your FC and you get your money back. True you will have to go back to the bubble to get a new one but it starts to seem to me like people want to have their FC along with modules, storage and ships in some pocket dimension that you can carry around your current ship and just pop it out wherever you are, that sounds quite exploitable for me to be honest.
Wow! So I don't own my house or car, either because some party apparatchik can shuffle some paper and take it? Quite a philosophy you got there, comrade.
@@deckardcain9789 Unless you've paid both off in full (i.e. no mortgage or financed car payments) then no, you don't own them, the bank/finance company does. Even then, you have to pay property taxes yearly to keep the government from taking your house, and you have insurance on everything as well to stay legal. So in reality, no private citizen really owns anything, especially when you toss in eminent domain, or civil forfeiture. This is in the USA, I'm not sure how it works in other countries from a legal standpoint, but thanks to international banking standards and the way most governments run their tax systems it's a safe bet to assume most Western industrialized nations don't actually grant full ownership rights of property to any private citizen.
Nonsense! You will one day. If you bust your butt mining you could easily do it in a few days of play time. Gonna have to wait until the community plots all the rings again since they are all got changed when they added tritium hotspots.
@@MinistryOfMagic_DoM I once thought I would never be able to afford a medium ship. Now I have 500 million credits sitting in the bank. You will get there.
@@RandomNameLastName811 Dude, you deffinititley can. I picked up this game a little over a week ago. And because im a money greed I grinded the triple LTD hotspot in Borann for a couple day and easily got to 3 billion. You just have to know where the money is. Human transport missions also make bank.
The upkeep mechanic is the main reason why I'm not trying to buy one of these. I think it is rather ridiculous when video games do this. I feel it is a cheap mechanic to encourage players to play. Personally, I think the upkeep should be calculated on usage rather than a weekly charge. For example, I play Stranded Deep and using the tools causes them to break. In which you have to gather resources to make new ones and that mechanic makes you think about how to best use them. Fleet Carriers should only inter upkeep when you use them to jump to other systems and the distance determines how much upkeep is needed. Players could then choose to pay the upkeep at each jump or wait until they jump a few times (much like we do with fuel on our smaller ships...using fuel scoops or paying for fuel). If a player owns a Carrier and doesn't use it, then it just sits there not requiring upkeep. After all, this is a video game and players shouldn't be punished for not playing. Frankly, given the upkeep, Frontier should have just left the Carrier as a fleet only ship and not allow individuals to buy it, as it is not a friendly mechanic for casual, solo/friends only players. Getting rid of a weekly upkeep and changing it to a "by usage" upkeep would make much more sense.
Already bored of seeing fleet carriers littering the systems. As mainly a solo player wish there was a way to hide them completely (not just filter them out). I'm kinda hoping the rules will change and you'll be able to damage them at some point...I'm sure a squadron of anacondas or Corvettes could take one down. So glad I'm going to have heading into the black soon...I may not come back for years. At least if I see one out in the black it'll be a novelty.
I am waiting for small version FC...something with 2 large and two medium landing pads...smaller cargo bay and smaller price tag...without upkeek ofcourse 😉
Shame that those things have such a high running cost. I feel like this penalizes players who, like me, play this game very intensly for a few weeks/months at a time and then don't touch it for a couple months after.
The way I look it, these things have the same value as a yatch in gta online. Not completely useless, but close to it (not to mentiom can't even drive it, only pay to move it). I only ever was going to get one for exploration but that is even useless lol, I have a T9 that can fly the 500ly (with a full load) faster than the carrier can go the same distance. Would rather just not waste my time with one, like I said they're not completely useless but damn near close to it.
Invincible ship? What is the use of defense if it is invincible. Seems boring, no sense of risk at all with the name Elite "Dangerous". Only maintenance
Upkeep costs are ridiculous, sole reason I'll never buy one. 5 billion plus the cost of fueling should have been enough, but they went too far with that time sink. :(
i see ppl keep grippin about up keep, didnt they first put carriers in for squadrens? then changed it to anyone. I think they should have diff carriers with diff levels of upkeep depending on if your a solo player or group. would be much easier
It's the vast number of FC's both owned and not yet owned being in the persistance at the same time that is causing all the error messages and crashes. Go to lesti and you'll find over a hundred of FC's, I can no longer go there because of the constant crashs I get. And that's just one system, there are many other's that have a hundred.
The weekly charge makes no sense. Just let me pay for what I use as I use it...like fuel in ships. If I don't use it at all, then the cost should be minimal--food for my crew, etc. Why does everything in ED need to be convoluted?
I got mine and am using it as a mobile garage, a restocking station for Power Play ops/bounty hunting, and taxiing friends, squadmates and randos around. I love it!
Sooo i just saw this video after my ED pause and must say that i really see quit much hate against the Carriers. I mean ok i have one and i really love it, but its a real late game Content. I can understand that players a frustrated that they cant get a Carrier by just playing a little bit, but isn’t that the howl idee behind them? To give long time players and fans a reward, i really like them in there current state and hope that they will get even more interesting white odessy
Someone's carrier is paying 56000/U for gold, I buy at 43000. Silver is similar. I don't bother with missions anymore when I can pull 750k profit every 10 minutes
I only have the PS4 version, and it doesn't support VR. I'll spend more time in this game if I can get VR, but buying a new PC and VR headset is bloody expensive.
@Dave54600 If they port VR over to the PSVR2 for PS5 (which I'm getting), then that'd be great. I doubt they will, though. Too much work for them and not enough profit. I'm all set on a tv. I have 4k.
Great informational video , just sucks the more I learn about this game the less I think I am able to play it. Billions ? A week? What about RL work , family and life outside of the game . Does this mean we have to grind every minute of the day or is billions not that much ?
It's not for new players, rather something for people who already get most of things. You can get billions in few weeks if you go mining and get lucky with prices, but i would suggest not to rush to avoiding burning out.
oh, well thanks anyway, I already got it from here. What I not certain if I can do remote management, like buying a carrier in colonia and managing that carrier from somewhere else to pay the fees, transfer the money to the carrier bank and so on.
Tbh I can’t wait to get one, it’s what I have been wanting in this game for a while ! ( although a smaller / mid size one would be nice down the road, as well as player owned stations ) if anyone is looking for people to play with, I have a community of people that play it often and we almost have enough for a carrier, add me on steam with the same name if you are looking for chill adults to play with !
Share your ideas and suggestions about Fleet Carriers here (be nice j/k ! XD ). Also why not come and discuss the latest update on my discord server? discord.gg/ObsidianAnt
@@ИгорьКратоссов It functions more like a mobile starport. For the Merc role, it is possible to use a carrier to transport ships to conflict zones that either have no station nearby or only have an outpost nearby.
The link to upkeep costs doesnt work, it may have been taken down
Does the Carrier home with a full tank of gas when you purchase it?
Upkeep should be replaced with having to pay a fee to park your carrier in a busy system. The busier the system, the higher the fee. Uninhabited systems in the middle of nowhere would be free to park your carrier in. This deals with the congestion issue, while taking away all the harm that upkeep inflicts on explorers. Decommissioning should only happen to carriers left in a busy area that do not keep up with rent
@@bluequiltedness Great idea!
I like the idea of owning a fleet carrier, but this sounds more like work than fun :(
Agreed if your only a casual played can't see how to keep up with the upkeep whilst still having spare cash for ship upgrades.
Yup. I maintain: Upkeep = Not bothering with update at all. I didn't grind for the 5bn purchase cost just to grind MORE
FD thinks grind is gameplay.
FDev: "Yo we heard you like grind, so we put grind into your grind".
I don’t see what a casual player would even get out of this, so the point seems quite moot. This is only really something a hardcore invested player would ever utilise fully, and I don’t see everyone being handed a fleet carrier as being a good outcome either. It’s like complaining about not being able to play Grand Master level matches in Overwatch because you only login every now and then to play casual.
I'm going to be creating a community based exploration carrier. The carrier will jump at the same time every week (3000-10000 ly) All registered commanders travelling with the carrier can vote on the next destination.
Darran Styler are you on pc?
Cool idea
How can we join?
Dope!!
That would be cool. Like some of the old community events? I wouldn't mind doing it just to see more of the galaxy I wouldn't normally see cause I'm grinding near SOL lol
Personally, I will never commit to anything in any game that penalises me for not playing the game. Not for me.
My thoughts to. I come and go from games, I have just restarted Baldur's Gate 2 again and maybe ill finish it this time! Although I have restarted, that was my choice, and I could have carried on from my save without a problem.
@@smartroadbiker The amount of times I restarted BG2 before I got to the underdark lol. Weird game design that they put all the branching open world stuff in the second chapter. Like you haven't played BG2 until you got all the different strongholds at least once.
You probably can sell it I assume. Or not leave too much money in carrier bank. It's mostly so that systems do not get overrun with player carriers (a problem that already is quite apparent). I love to shit on FDev but this one actually seems reasonable to me.
as mentioned in video, you get your 5bil back if your carrier get decommisioned. Max debt is 250mil which isn't that much when you consider how much you can make per hour. Not to mentioned max upkeep per week is only 25mil. Might be a lot for new player but for anyone with at least Asp explorer, it's not really that much as long as you play the game. And if you don't play, why do you need a carrier?
@@Mithguar Exactly, it balances itself out. I can see some casuals getting pissed because they can't reach the content made for people who are willing to work for it (Of which there are tens of thousands already in possession of a capital ship) but...the game wasn't made for them. It was made for the 11,000 people who met up in a system this week with their cap ships and solved what should have been a week long mystery in 6 hours, digging through over 4,700 systems.
Plus, if you're smart enough to make any significant amounts of money in this game, you can easily walk away with over 300 mil in profit every single day. Or more, depending on what ship you're using. By my calculations, that's enough for 12 weeks of downtime.
I just came here because..... IS YOUR VOICE IN THE F* GAME? I arrived at Obsidian Orbital in Maia, and I was just thinking "It'd be awesome if the devs got Obisidian his own station and all of that" and when I dock I just hear your voice inside the damn station! AWESOME man... just awesome!
thats the 2nd station thats made me smile. the other one is yurchikhin station lol
I want to use mine for a personal base for deep space exploration, I plan to move it to Colonia. Thanks for your great videos Obsidian 🐜
Pretty pointless as there is a station already there
deep space exploration is gonna be what most players use it for. 500ly in 15 mins. i hope theres a place in colonia that makes them 0.0
@@yoyoyogames9527 There is. In fact, Colonia sells Fleet Carriers.
@@yoyoyogames9527 I expect a space taxi in a form of fleet carrier.
That's a great idea, but you might want to fly to Colonia, and then buy one when your there, as It's going to be hard to get there. ;)
having a carrier is frontier way of saying, come into the game daily to mantain it
or mine for a couple hours and it's good for 3 months
S Crumly do you mean, “Sit through excruciating boredom for hours because there’s no fun way to make money in this game?”
@@FlyntofRWBY mining fun& relaxing
@Dracoth Begone if you don't consider it fun and relaxing, it doesnt mean that no one does. Stop being so egoistic
@@FlyntofRWBY Mining is a ton of fun. Plus it's massively profitable. If you're not having fun, go play forknife.
I couldn't care less about FCs, but I'll like and comment because it's OA. Cheers!
the problem is not the FC itself, but what can you do with them. Well, pretty much all ships in elite have that problem. They are boring AF. Even for the owner, FC is boring, you can't do anything. and for travelers if you go to a FC, is so dull and boring like watching a paint dry
Needs a bumper sticker that says "we break for no one."
Maybe ship ID in the Livery? And then make the ship name "Spaceballs - the Fleet Carrier"
@Roger Wilco "The Lusty Titanium Maid"
is your password 12345 the same as my luggage ?
I said across her nose not up it.
@Roger Wilco oh heck yeah
Someone should setup like an “engineer taxi” for their fleet carrier, have a set schedule to the different parts of the galaxy that it jumps to weekly, That way players can get together and work on the grind without having to worry about those crazy distances.
Kind of like @Darran Styler
What kind of grind requires to jump crazy distance? I only see Guardians. And you already have a mega-ship which does that jump for you.
@@FlecheDeFer Professor Palin requires a total travel distance from spawn of about 6000ly
I'm a year late, but the Fleet Carrier Owners Club have this. They provide services to all sorts of places for free (including Engineering routes). Colonia, Sag A, etc. All the best.
I would love a mini carrier. I'd be happy with one that can carry a maximum of 4 ships, does not have a shipyard, or whatever. Just a repair shop, perhaps a bit of module storage, fuel storage... stuff like that
And a fuel scoop. You basically become self sufficient at that rate.
There is a pretty big gap between the most expensive ships being 150m and a fleet carrier being 5b
Ive always wanted an exploration ship with little runabout ships so i can go dick around canyon flying on an undiscovered planet and stuff, but ship launched fighters have no supercruise and the hanger is too heavy for exploration.
@@nrm8831 It's called Anaconda with fighter... Everything else you can already fix is one way or another. Synthesise ammo, limpets, fuelscoop for fuel, use repair limpets to repair hull.
Hmmm... maybe like a private Flight Ops Carrier or something
So...it's basically a Rent-A-Ship.
Yeah well 1 carrier per system, right? Wouldn't make sense for inactive player carriers littering the map. You can make the upkeep costs back through the carrier itself.
With a nonrefundable deposit even though players are supposed to be outright buying them. Worthless ship
rent a station, more accurately
@@assassinaria "littering the map" is not an issue as Frontier can just make your carrier invisible if you haven't played in awhile. Upkeep is a complete scam.
Isn't it salary for the ai running it?
Thats what owning a business is... salary, expenses etc
I can't own a business without upkeep costs.
Scam? Lol crazy statement
"If you attack you own carrier, you'll go to a prison ship"
Can you imagine that, you accidentally kick your cars tyre, then police appear "right, you're nicked"
I like the idea of carrier's more than when they were first revealed, but won't be getting one anytime soon. Just got my corvette and am close to engineering it fully. That's keeping me more than happy. Plus have space legs to look forwards too.
*Can you imagine that, you accidentally kick your cars tyre, then police appear "right, you're nicked"*
More like, you accidentally shoot out your car's windows, then the cops arrest you for public endangerment and disturbing the peace.
In the USA they'd kneel on your neck until you died
@@Garryck-1 we only have .177 & .22 air guns in the uk, so I guess shooting a mining laser at it would come closest for us
As someone in law enforcement i can definitely say it is 100%legal to break your own shit
@@nrm8831 is it legal to buy a bus hire a ticket seller in it and start shooting it tho
I still don't understand Upkeep, I mean you owe someone for buying a fleet carrier? it's not 100% yours then. I would understand it if instead of debt the services would just stop working and the fleet carrier itself would shutdown. That's more logical, you don't owe anyone but people working on your carrier will no longer do so because you don't pay them for the services they're providing. But that mean you're carrier will not get decomissioned and therefore is yours, even if it's a piece of metal parts wandering through space, shut down.
[Edit] also jump range should be upgradeable, 500ly jump it's not far enough if you can make a 300ly jump in an anaconda through neutron stars.
cmdrs-toolbox.com/fleet-carrier-calculator
Thanks to this though I know now that, if you have every service on, you can farm LTDs within a week or less and have enough money to run your fleet for more than a year.
@@Maurilustrador Could you please explain LTD? Low temperature diamonds? It still is pay to rent not own so I'm against it for sure one week of how many hours a day farming?
@@ltcshow6175 Just like you pay for repair and refueling your ship. And before you start with: but i don't loose my ship. yes you do if you don't pay rebuy.
@@fistsofsnake5475 What are you going on about Fists of Snake???? You pay for repair if the SHIP YOU FLY gets damaged. You lose your ship if you don't have the funds to rebuy with insurance this one can't be lost read my other post I made in the comments. This was done really badly...
You could just read why. The FC has a crew & captain, the more modules you unlock, the more crew it needs. You think the thing magically pilots itself? You think it magically refuels and repairs your ships when you land? You think the Ship yard and outfitting are operated by nothing? It's NPC crews (that you dont see lol). Pretty sure this was in the initial announcement
I wish a micro fleetcarrier. With only like 1 medium and 2 small landing pads.
You can land them on large pads, it uses normal fuel, just with a huge fsd and landing pads
That would be cool if you could Land one on a planet.
Could use your SRV to mine all day and sell your minerals.
Odyssey might make that interesting as well..
I think before they add something like that they would need to update multi-crew so it's easier to connect with friends and also allow them to fly your ships.
For personal use, I can see it being nice because i always find I'm swapping between at least two specific jobs anyway..
At least with your version you can actually pilot it!
This is what I was hoping for, a smaller option for people who just want to take a few ships with them, store some stuff and be able to refuel in an emergency. Buuut nope. This is for people who want to make this a career, literally. It took me 426 hours of gameplay to get to 1.5 billion credits. No way I'm playing another 1000 just to get a carrier, then have to play probably 15 hours a week just to keep it. Ridiculous, but we all knew it was going to be. No, I'm happy with my AspX and Phantom.
1. Your sense of scale is wrong. A ship that can land on Large landing pad could maybe fit a small ship in. You should look up the biggest ship that hardly fits into mail slot, Type-10...
But you can still get one of big ships, a fighter on it and so on. You don't want a carrier. You want Anaconda... or Type 10 or something. They have SRVs, Fighters.
@@abrotherinchrist if you need 15 hours a week to earn 25 mil (max possible upkeep) then i have no clue what you do when playing. With mining, trade, even combat missions, 25 mil in an hour is easy. When optimising for profit, people easily do 100-500mil per hour. Base Upkeep is 5mil, with basic services it will be still under 10 mil per week. This is far from a grind. And you can always decommission it and get your 5bil back...
That doesn't actually sound that bad, but what about refueling? Doing missions?
I've never heard of anyone making 500 mil/hr. The most I've ever made personally is about 80 mil, which is still pretty good. I don't do wing mining, though. I bet people make bank with that.
Man, I was hoping to get a small battle frigate, not some big ass station with upkeep.
Now, here we are. No variants of carriers, upkeep for a mobile station.
Smaller versions would be cool, but pilots might expect them to actually move around in a system...
Ye lmao, I saved up enough creds for one but when they released that info I couldn't justify the purchase. I mean, space stations do that exact thing lmao why the fuck would I buy one to do the same thing as a station in a nearby system or a station that's down the road
@@brandonedwards1181 Actually, I was surprised to find that you *can* move in system. Not in super-cruise like ships, but for 5t you can jump from body to body, room permitting, which is useful in binary+ systems, even with warm up. I've done it three times, still working my way up to leaving the nest, while mining for tritium.
Ikr
im about 10 hours into my elite dangerous venture, gotta say after reading reviews i thought i would be getting bored by now but its growing on me.
I agree, it’s crazy how much it grows on you.
most people that complain have sunk many hundreds of hours into the game already. in fact elite is my most played game of all time with over 800h and i havent even played the game for almost a year now. the thing is just that the game constantly rewards you for your actions until it doesnt anymore, which is when you hit late-late game and when either your gameplay loops have nothing left to offer or the goals you have in mind require HUGE amounts of grind.
I think it's the huge amounts of grind that eventually push most people away.
Oh, you've EASILY got a few hundred more hours before you become as jaded as most long-term players. 😂 And, hopefully by then, Odyssey will be out!
But seriously, *enjoy* it while it's still new. The first 100ish hours are the best. Take your time. Don't rush to become ultra-rich or buy that Anaconda, Cutter, or Corvette. My best memories of playing E:D over the years were when I was still finding my way and working my way up. I loved running missions to JUST be able to afford that new A-rated FSD, or doing some smuggling to pay for shield upgrades.
Being excited to finally afford that Cobra I'd been working towards, but feeling a little sad to have to trade in my Adder to afford it.
Those are where this game really shines, I think.
I've had an engineered Cutter with Powerplay modules and all the bells and whistles for over a year now, and there's honestly nothing I really look forward to doing in the game anymore.
BRUXXUS I think you nailed it my man.
Honestly, if there were actual player factions or guilds that could share the cost and upkeep, I think FCs could work and wouldn't be such a deal breaker. Im not saying individual players shouldn't own one, Im just saying an actual guild system and allowing players a little more direct and immediate influence over the games universe would really breathe some new life into this game. Who knows, maybe we could actually expand the bubble with that direct player interaction
FC looks like a fondation block to build upon, I hope that once they're integrated in the game frontier would revalue some of the restrictions and give us more freedom for customization.
To be honest I haven't thought what I'm gonna do with FC, I'll give it a try and if I like it I'll figure something out
I mainly want one as a huge cargo transport, since just with current polymer prices and the 25,000 cargo space you would make more then 200,000,000 credits per round trip.
thats not really that much, you could have it stationed next to a triple spot LTD ring tho, buy LTD for like 700k then jump to a station buying it for 1.2M, netting you 500k without having to mine at all
@@CMDRunematti It wasn't directed to me but really thanks for this info CMDR, I will re-install Elite this weekend and start my grind to complete the money for the FC and this must be just the way I will do it
@@AbdullahBR_ oh no, mate, I'm only speculating that could be a good way, I haven't tried FCs at all yet! please treat this only as an idea to experiment with 😅 I would love to hear how it went tho!
EDIT :also as far as I know, after jumping to the system you sell in, you have to ferry over all of that 25000 tons with your own ships, you can't sell from your carrier directly to stations!
200mio/hour hmm... isnt that exactly what weve been doing at the LTD hotspot in Borann?
@@CMDRunematti except there wont be any known 3x hotspots. Iirc in beta the borann 3x was no longer there. So until we know whether they changed the spawn algorithm to not allow them or whether it was just an unintended butterfly effect from adding tritium that's not an option. May change on live but it wasn't there in beta.
Fleet carriers: The Greyhound Bus of ED.
Was amusing seeing them transporting folk in and out of the new LTD mining hotspots.
#1 they require upkeep and as such you are forced to log in to keep the carrier. This was a dealbreaker for many people with a regular life that can't spend hours in game just to pay the upkeep, and play once in a while. You don't lose your anaconda if you don't play a month; which is an end game ship that you paid and saved to get, so why should you lose your carrier? They can despawn it for what I care; so I won't make profit while I am away
While I have the money for one of these, I don't think I'll end up buying one, simply because I don't feel that I would be able to use it to it's fullest extent
My squadron is running a few organized ones if you would like to join! Saw the pfp! My username is bobcards!
Im the same. I want one, but I dont play enough now to warrant it with all the upkeep costs. If they drop the price by about 1.5 bil I might do it. It would be nice if they offered different sized ones.
You could go to a star that looks exactly like the last one you went to! Or a station that looks exactly like the last one you went to! Or fight some NPC ships that look exactly like the last one you fought. So exciting.
There's very little they can do, which a station you call home couldn't already do
Does it really matter if you won't use it to its fullest extent? The point is, if it's useful to you, if it serves some purpose that makes it worthwhile, why not get one?
My current plan is to get one, use it to transport several of my ships to Colonia for the engineering I want to do to them there, transport them all back to the bubble again, then sell the carrier. One round trip instead of doing it half a dozen times. To me, that's good value.
I'm sitting on 1 billion credits. There is NO WAY I'll ever grind to 5 billion. MAYBE if there were no other games and I was unemployed 🤔
With the LTD3 hotspot I was able to mine north of 500 million profit a day before the update. Hold out for another low temp diamond hotspot to be found my friend.
@@vicviper319 LTD got nerfed. They don't make nearly as much as they used to.
@@MapleLeafAce We just need another triple. Areklici is still buying at 1,140,130 with decent demand
@@vicviper319 same here i farm up to 8.2 billion fairly easy
Idk man I was in the triple hotspot before this update and couldn’t find LTDs any where I found like 5 asteroids max that had them. I don’t get how people got 500million worth the grind didn’t see worth it to me.
It'll be interesting to see how many people who buy one will still have it in 3 months or so.
Only the dedicated regular players. Silly mechanics these "running" costs which are basically payments to the game to keep it even though players are paying in full upon purchase...
I think they're going to fail as a concept, the running costs are too high and you can't really do that much with them.
And the first time one needs to get fuel ratted will create a massive ragestorm, i bet.
Really a disappointment, I just started playing.... heard these being talked about, and was excited that we might be getting capital ship type combat ability.... but nah, not really worth it. Even with the money maker spots way outside the bubble, just not seeing 5billion+ upkeep.
There is Star Citizen which has capital ships..Okay only the 890 Jump, but the Hammerhead is close enough to capital ship combat
@@phoenixrising4573 5mil upkeep.Itz just five low temp diamonds.Aint hard
Still trying to wrap my head around engineering so carriers will have to wait
Same here 😂😂😂
Ditto. I've not played in years so there's lots to catch up on.
What's confusing about engineers? All you do is collect materials then go to the engineer and select the upgrade you want. It's not hard or complicated.
Nothing confusing about it, just takes a shit ton of time.
i still don’t understand 90% of this games features
I was hyped for so long about these before they were actually introduced, up until they revealed that you'd have to pay upkeep. It's a deal breaker for me, I'd love to have one, but I want to HAVE one, not rent one. Maybe we can reverse engineer some thargoid tech to make a hybrid with one that runs itself for no upkeep...
Yesterday I was mining for 2 hours and made 30 millions - all with small ship. Carriers are *cheap* to use but extremely priced to rent.
@@p0k314COM it's not just about the money, it's about the fact you're never actually going to own it.
@@runninsniper »but it is fully in-game design. IMHO it has some sense.
@@p0k314COM I'd rather not be forced to come back all of the time, especially not after I pay such a huge lump sum. And upkeep has no place in video games imo. We're supposed to escape from reality, not go through tedious motions to get by, or do things like pay rent. It's not like it's a system that benefits anyone EXCEPT to keep player retention up. I'd argue it's a poor way to do so. People should be incetivised to play by what they can get, not by keeping what they already payed for.
there's probably a team of people working on different systems on the carrier, that expect to be paid. One person cant operate a huge carrier. I think thats one reason why you have to pay the upkeep
No doubt the Fuel Rats will have one or two, what sight it'll be to see one coming to your rescue.
Why would they though? A DBX Will reach the destination much, much faster. There's really nothing useful about these FCs, besides being large storage lockers.
You won't see it coming to rescue you as it will go into orbit at a random location around a selected orbital body in the system you ran out of fuel in. The rats are likely to position carriers in the far reaches of space for their members to base themselves at. I think it will make deep space ratting quite interesting
I know im a year late but i did find one in deep space don't exactly remember where but it was out there
Why can’t I attack my own ship? lol. I OWN YOU!!!!!
Technically.... you're only renting it... sooo..... Guess they don't want you damaging it for when they eventually REPO that thing. 🙄
game made by libs
Most games have really appealing end game goals. Elite, nah lets make em rent a ship with an initial massive kick in the balls.
Yeah I was personally a little bit disappointed with the beta hopefully they add like, giant Capital ships for war? but it's still gonna cost a lot of money..
With the way Frontier treats combat missions I would say it would cost twice as much for a warship if not more.
In theory you could possibly passively make money if you set it up right, but it's kind of boring for me personally.
There is no end game for the player because the player is not an important person in the Elite universe
at best this is player rented. stop calling it owned
You do know what EULA stands for then? You never own any music or software or film you buy. You merely have a licence to use them. If you did own them, then you’d basically be a shareholder of the copyright. And then they pay you.
If you buy a F-22 raptor for exemple you'll have maintenance cost and fueling cost with it its not a renting fee its an upkeep fee, i know its sucks but i understand why its there its not renting though...
@@sebastiengoulet360 You're F-22 Raptor won't be taken away from you if you ignore your maintenance or forget to refuel it. Fleet Carriers are 100% rentals.
@@Hedgehobbit Yeah, but this is a video game not real life.
@@williammullinax6130 which is why none of the other ships have upkeep
i wont be getting one until they removed the up keep costs
I could not agree more.
Fr. Deleting this game until then
It's not that hard to make 5 million nowadays
@@Nadayan 2 assasination missions. You can make that much in like 15 min without even trying and optimising for anything.
@@Mithguar I just bounty hunt and make like 100m when I stack missions
This is very useful for those who don’t know about carriers. Great video
Waiting for a new money maker so I can afford one, fdev.
They keep nerfing them without providing a different and feasable option besides playing like it's your job.
Is LTD mining not good enough? I make between 500 and 800 million per run.
@@Draknareth Borann hotspot is gone. It will take months to find the next one.
@@assassinaria But that isn't on purpose. They had to in order to introduce Tritium spots.
Well buddy boy, you missed out on the triple overlapping hot spot of Borann A2 for LTD. it’s gone now. It got me up to about 2.5 billion in assets. I’m still trying to upgrade my current ships and unlock engineering and get guardian tech so I kinda ran out of time by the time I started playing again :/
As a regular pilot, I'm interested in simply docking at one carrier, and the next time I start up, I'm in a completely different part of the galaxy. Some fun adventure :)
And then, after returning to where the carrier is expected, you find nothing and are stranded.
Hey, a new business model, next to "fuel rats" there could be "rescue mules", picking up pilots far away...
LOL! As someone that only plays Elite for a while every few months, this would be kind of interesting! I should hop in, find a carrier, dock at it, then be surprised to find out where I end up next time I log on. haha
Wonderful video. It was to the point, very chill, and informative. Hopefully we will see many more like this.
I see a lot of people getting SUPER pissed about FC running costs, but it seems like they don't do their research. You can accumulate 250 million credits total debt. It costs 5 million credits per week to operate a completely unmodified, fresh-out-of-the-factory FC. That's 50 _weeks_ before it faces decommissioning, plus an additional week that you have at the end to pay off the debt; that's 51 weeks. A full, complete year is 52 weeks. You can essentially have an unmodified Fleet Carrier for a full year without paying anything except the initial 5 billion credits.
Imo the weekly upkeep has to go away. It's just doesn't feel good to know that your fleet carrier could be gone because you forgot it for a long time. I'm really interested in getting one to park it somewhere in mid of the galaxy or at some other special place. At best groups could organize player made Bubbles around Sagittarius a for example.
Weekly upkeep is important but there exist other solutions.
I'm hoping with the right planning and set up, that they can basically pay for themselves? but I could be wrong.
If it gets decommissioned you get a full refund
I agree with upkeep cost I mean you have to repair refuel and refill your normal ship so you would have to do the same with a portable space station
Thanks for the list OA. Love the beautiful vistas you always have in the background of your discussion / list videos!
I just don't understand why Fleet Carriers HAVE to be persistent. I have no interest in setting up a shipyard or commodities market. I just a way to move my personal fleet to where-ever I want to go in the black. As it is, I play too seldom to want to bother with all of this upkeep malarkey. so I'm not at all enthused about Fleet Carriers - despite the fact that I cannot actually afford to buy one to start with.
Fleet Carriers feel more like a stab in the chest than an invitation to return to Elite Dangerous from Frontier. I really agree with The Yamiks.
For those who don't already know: the FC update turned out to be awesome, which brought the mining community alive, and lots of player cooperating, doing taxi service and providing outfitting with their FCs as stations, and so on. Log in and check out whats going on in the "ICEBOX" COL 285 SECTOR CC-K A38-2. Search for "Xiba's Jewel" (4X SSD Rock) nicknamed "the egg".
Elite was never this alive!
Point no. 18, There nothing but credit sinks!
Seriously, What the hell is the point of FCs.. Seams like there just designed to take your money and keep you logging in with no real benefit, No new game play, No new reason to keep logging in and maintaining an FC.
The ONLY reason to use an FC i can see that would be of any real use is to use it as an FOB when your out exploring.. Thats it, Does that justify spending 5bill and all the upkeep?
Upkeep sounds stupid in my opinion.
Upkeep is there to prevent the galaxy from being littered with abandoned, unstocked system-clogging fleet carriers. It makes sense.
@@PumpkinTuna There could be a plethora of ways to prevent that. Like removing fleet careers of inactive players after a certain amount of time -and then allow those players to respawn them once they return to the game months down the line.
@@MrSpy13011 Isnt that pretty much what decomissioning does? it despawns it and you get your money back. Besides with the adjustments I cant see why people can go out and mine 5 billion credits, but not some millions more to pay the upkeep for at least 6 months
@@1SevenCirclesDesign Pretty much but not the same. With the upkeep mechanic, before it goes into debt and gets decommisioned, it drains it's bank account. With a timer, there would be no credit loss as punishment for not playing the game.
I too would like to own a business without any upkeep. I want all profit.......
Why would I pay 5b for something that forces me to grind money for upkeep?
Also: it will eventually be reminder that all interresting spots has been visited by someone already and the "I discovered it first" feeling wont be there at all.
Also its another space e-dick to flex on other players. No thanks.
It's still less than 1% of galaxy discovered
Only Frontier could develop such a great feature then ruin it with arbitary decisions to remove any possible fun.
5:07 Wear and Tear, until it is done.
Doesn't have the same ring to it.
And those who tasted the plasma of his blasters called him the elite slayer
I wish there was a way to see what commodities the fleet carrier is buying and or selling without having to land on a station close to it. Also another thing that may help is if they add active with course set and location it is jumping to. The fleet carrier when it don't have a course set will also have inactive indicator with how many days it has been sitting by there.
I'm so happy for my carrier !! i can now refuel and repair my ships !! OHH WAIT....YOU CAN REFUEL AND REPAIR ON A STATION ???? Oh man why did i buy it !!....BUHAHAHA !!! Wake the fuck up people.....Carriers are just like yachts in GTA5.....expensive and worthless
:/ i wish there was a way to command the carrier itself. Maybe even somehow have the weapon systems manually aimed by docked players.
So wait, you can't even *fly* the carrier?? (I've been out of the game for ~ 2 years, so carriers are new to me) - and with 20 minutes per 500 lyrs they're ~ 4x *slower* than a 70 lyr-range ship via neutron stars? Wtf? This has to be the lamest addition to the game so far.
Maybe I'm pessimistic but I still think these FC are a bit mehhh, and I feel that's a massive let down considering how badass these things should be
Paid update.
OA, been watching you for a few years now. My man, always on the money with your reviews. I know how much you like the feeling of new discovery that only comes with exploration. I'm with you on that one. Fdev really missed an opportunity here. FC's cost I can get my head around. They are big. It's the limited capability that will keep me from buying one. Just not enough new utility that I don't already have. The real kicker is they needed a longer jump range imo. A lot longer. Almost 6 years ago ED released and today we have only seen about 1% of the entire galaxy! C'mon, someone at Fdev should have done some math and allowed Fleet Carriers to bump that up to 10% or even 20%. Would that really have been to much to ask for? It's not too late. Just a code change. Anyway, never commented before but you asked and I answered. Cheers brother! Keep up the good work as always!
Even if they give it 5000 ly range that wouldn't change much. People just fly in the same direction, so they would still explore around the same point.
I might get back into elite with carriers now I love logistics its why I enjoy EVE so much, and star citizen is my chill game
omfg its just an instance isn't it lmao 5 bil for your very own signal source instance ffs im dead hahaha. OK show of hands who is going to let them selves be taken hostage by the game for a shittier version of a station. (because they aren't everywhere, or free lol)
I mean, 99% of the galaxy doesn’t have any stations. And I for one don’t wanna spend all of my time in the same hundred light-year bubble that the majority of my gameplay has been in
For open player and multiplayer game it wound be nice... But in Solo yes it is a waste
@@aeringothyk5445 isn't that the point of exploring though? kind of guts the sense of adventure if hopping over to sag a is little different than going from sol to leesti. just think seeing the core will never feel as satisfying for you as it did for me and so many others now that literally anyone can get taxied over there. the worth and mystique. the sense of accomplishment that few others could stomach the journey. that's gone now.
Have to say that I think a better alternative to upkeep would have been a maintenance system with things failing if not maintained and requirng mats and stuff (and ultimately a trip to a yard) to maintian them, actually think this would have been a good mechanic for repair limpets too...
I am realizing now that Odyssey's new UI is exactly the same as the Fleet Carriers'.
I'd be interested to know what would the annual upkeep would be for one of these things with all its systems enabled. I think this upkeep is the most ridiculous thing ever. It is literally the only thing stopping me from ever buying one.
About 20 million per week times 48 weeks that works out to about 1 billion.
Oh wow I didn't know you get your money back after decommission! Definitely picking one up now!
Fr the sound of it you only get your base cost, but not your cost for services installed. Unless I heard him wrong.
@@MinistryOfMagic_DoM - I'm pretty sure the trick is to sell the services back for a refund *before* you decommission the carrier. You will still lose out some percentage, but that way you get back most of your money.
basically if you want to do a deep space exploration with all your ships, you still need to earn money to transfer and pay it, thus you need to have 1 account with a medium cargo ship (Python) to stay behind as you will not be able to go along on the journey as you must remain behind and pay the bills. Then have a second account to that will travel with the carrier....... thats what I picked up from this video.
On the surface they sounds useful.. But if you dig deeper what are they actually useful for? Just a shop front? Can they be used as a mining drop off point for multiple mining rigs like in Eve?
I had a few ideas for them..
For buffing exploration, I was hoping maybe to help with travel times, you could eventually warp to Fleet carriers and send a bunch into deep space for world records or to setup fuel rat bases or something lol
My other idea was trying to setup a fleet carrier specifically designed for charity for new players.
Have it be stationed right outside Noob space and basically have a setup where players that have been playing since the beginning can give back to the noob community joining in on Odyssey.
Or maybe give new players a goal??
Have a fleet carrier full of low temperature diamonds selling for cheap but have it move constantly outside the bubble like a merchant ship.
Might be fun for the roleplaying aspects? But I hope they add more FC styles/classes and I'm curious what the livery customization will look like?
Haha if there's an endgame player that did it to me, seeing them owning such a massive beast and selling me one of the most expensive stuff for cheap, I'd definitely be interested in reaching that point and do the same. :D
But the upkeep is a dealbreaker for me. I'd wanna own it, not rent it.
@@zephyrerazortail5478
Yeah if you're doing it for charity you would be renting it, but in order to sell Commodities the right way, FC's should be setup so basically it'll be paying for itself or even make huge profits, but that would take some planning and knowledge that I feel most players (including me) probably don't have.
most players just look up online what the best places are to go anyway.
I figure even after the release they're still going to need some changes and updates as we go on.
Odyssey looks like it'll add fun gameplay loops and hopefully better ways to make money and that won't be an issue in the future.. I'll just keep complaining till they fix it lol
Have said this in another ObsidianAnt's video but I want to expand a little. The upkeeps and prices were ridiculous at the beginning but now they seem a lot more reasonable; I find it funny that there are people willing to mine out 5 billion credits but unwilling to secure their FC for months with a couple hundred million. Some comments point towards despawning your FC after some inactive time so you can have it back when you return, isnt this what decomission already does? It despawns your FC and you get your money back. True you will have to go back to the bubble to get a new one but it starts to seem to me like people want to have their FC along with modules, storage and ships in some pocket dimension that you can carry around your current ship and just pop it out wherever you are, that sounds quite exploitable for me to be honest.
upkeep is still there ?
then lol nope, keep your money sink, i don't need it.
So could you stock one up with cheap stuff, then jump it a long way, and shuttle all the goodies to a station which pays a good price?
Rentable, not ownable. you dont own something if it can be legally taken away.
Wow! So I don't own my house or car, either because some party apparatchik can shuffle some paper and take it? Quite a philosophy you got there, comrade.
@@deckardcain9789 Unless you've paid both off in full (i.e. no mortgage or financed car payments) then no, you don't own them, the bank/finance company does. Even then, you have to pay property taxes yearly to keep the government from taking your house, and you have insurance on everything as well to stay legal.
So in reality, no private citizen really owns anything, especially when you toss in eminent domain, or civil forfeiture. This is in the USA, I'm not sure how it works in other countries from a legal standpoint, but thanks to international banking standards and the way most governments run their tax systems it's a safe bet to assume most Western industrialized nations don't actually grant full ownership rights of property to any private citizen.
I dont think I'll ever have $5B credits 😭😭
Nonsense! You will one day. If you bust your butt mining you could easily do it in a few days of play time. Gonna have to wait until the community plots all the rings again since they are all got changed when they added tritium hotspots.
@@MinistryOfMagic_DoM I once thought I would never be able to afford a medium ship. Now I have 500 million credits sitting in the bank. You will get there.
@@RandomNameLastName811 i made 5 billion in about a week and a half,
@@RandomNameLastName811 Dude, you deffinititley can. I picked up this game a little over a week ago. And because im a money greed I grinded the triple LTD hotspot in Borann for a couple day and easily got to 3 billion. You just have to know where the money is. Human transport missions also make bank.
Thanks for the Information😉
The upkeep mechanic is the main reason why I'm not trying to buy one of these. I think it is rather ridiculous when video games do this. I feel it is a cheap mechanic to encourage players to play. Personally, I think the upkeep should be calculated on usage rather than a weekly charge. For example, I play Stranded Deep and using the tools causes them to break. In which you have to gather resources to make new ones and that mechanic makes you think about how to best use them. Fleet Carriers should only inter upkeep when you use them to jump to other systems and the distance determines how much upkeep is needed. Players could then choose to pay the upkeep at each jump or wait until they jump a few times (much like we do with fuel on our smaller ships...using fuel scoops or paying for fuel). If a player owns a Carrier and doesn't use it, then it just sits there not requiring upkeep.
After all, this is a video game and players shouldn't be punished for not playing. Frankly, given the upkeep, Frontier should have just left the Carrier as a fleet only ship and not allow individuals to buy it, as it is not a friendly mechanic for casual, solo/friends only players. Getting rid of a weekly upkeep and changing it to a "by usage" upkeep would make much more sense.
Last Community Goal awarded top 10% players over 4 billion credits...I have a feeling a bunch of fleet carriers are currently being purchased.
Already bored of seeing fleet carriers littering the systems. As mainly a solo player wish there was a way to hide them completely (not just filter them out).
I'm kinda hoping the rules will change and you'll be able to damage them at some point...I'm sure a squadron of anacondas or Corvettes could take one down.
So glad I'm going to have heading into the black soon...I may not come back for years. At least if I see one out in the black it'll be a novelty.
I am waiting for small version FC...something with 2 large and two medium landing pads...smaller cargo bay and smaller price tag...without upkeek ofcourse 😉
Shame that those things have such a high running cost. I feel like this penalizes players who, like me, play this game very intensly for a few weeks/months at a time and then don't touch it for a couple months after.
The way I look it, these things have the same value as a yatch in gta online. Not completely useless, but close to it (not to mentiom can't even drive it, only pay to move it).
I only ever was going to get one for exploration but that is even useless lol, I have a T9 that can fly the 500ly (with a full load) faster than the carrier can go the same distance.
Would rather just not waste my time with one, like I said they're not completely useless but damn near close to it.
Invincible ship?
What is the use of defense if it is invincible.
Seems boring, no sense of risk at all with the name Elite "Dangerous". Only maintenance
Upkeep costs are ridiculous, sole reason I'll never buy one. 5 billion plus the cost of fueling should have been enough, but they went too far with that time sink. :(
i see ppl keep grippin about up keep, didnt they first put carriers in for squadrens? then changed it to anyone. I think they should have diff carriers with diff levels of upkeep depending on if your a solo player or group. would be much easier
It's the vast number of FC's both owned and not yet owned being in the persistance at the same time that is causing all the error messages and crashes.
Go to lesti and you'll find over a hundred of FC's, I can no longer go there because of the constant crashs I get. And that's just one system, there are many other's that have a hundred.
The weekly charge makes no sense. Just let me pay for what I use as I use it...like fuel in ships. If I don't use it at all, then the cost should be minimal--food for my crew, etc. Why does everything in ED need to be convoluted?
I'm never going to have one... But I find the direction they took with it a bit odd.
Thargoid raids would be fun now
I got mine and am using it as a mobile garage, a restocking station for Power Play ops/bounty hunting, and taxiing friends, squadmates and randos around. I love it!
Haven't played for several months now but from the outside it looks like you'd have to be pretty keen to own a fleet carrier.
Looks like they just wanted to throw something cool in there for the billionaires to splurge on.
Sooo i just saw this video after my ED pause and must say that i really see quit much hate against the Carriers. I mean ok i have one and i really love it, but its a real late game Content. I can understand that players a frustrated that they cant get a Carrier by just playing a little bit, but isn’t that the howl idee behind them? To give long time players and fans a reward, i really like them in there current state and hope that they will get even more interesting white odessy
Lol, space for 16 ships and they call it a fleet carrier
Honestly it's generous to even call it a light carrier
So we failed on getting the Upkeep removed. God that is so fucking stupid.
I wonder about using a fleet carrier to do a rare commodities run? That massive cargo hold and jump range would come in handy
I did that once, I collected a crap load of rare commodities and delivered them to colonia
I wonder if the Fuel Rats have any carriers and how useful they would be to the cause.
I swear this (ObsidianAnt) is the alter ego of Jonathan Ross (going by voice).
Fleet carriers are kind of cool, but I want more gameplay around them. Maybe they will have more relevance when the next big update comes.
Being 1000 light years out in the Guardian FSD system and seeing 10 or 12 carriers was SURREAL. And awesome as well.
How does commodity market work? When players want to sell something to my FC, do I have to pay out of my pocket to buy?
Someone's carrier is paying 56000/U for gold, I buy at 43000. Silver is similar. I don't bother with missions anymore when I can pull 750k profit every 10 minutes
I only have the PS4 version, and it doesn't support VR. I'll spend more time in this game if I can get VR, but buying a new PC and VR headset is bloody expensive.
@Dave54600 If they port VR over to the PSVR2 for PS5 (which I'm getting), then that'd be great. I doubt they will, though. Too much work for them and not enough profit.
I'm all set on a tv. I have 4k.
It took me agse for my conda. This update is purely for. The top 1%
Great informational video , just sucks the more I learn about this game the less I think I am able to play it. Billions ? A week? What about RL work , family and life outside of the game . Does this mean we have to grind every minute of the day or is billions not that much ?
It's not for new players, rather something for people who already get most of things. You can get billions in few weeks if you go mining and get lucky with prices, but i would suggest not to rush to avoiding burning out.
This is made for people who have been playing for a long time
Did credit payouts from missions get buffed like was promised? 240 mil per week seems a bit extreme
oh, well thanks anyway, I already got it from here. What I not certain if I can do remote management, like buying a carrier in colonia and managing that carrier from somewhere else to pay the fees, transfer the money to the carrier bank and so on.
Disappointing. Was expecting player controlled capital ships.
there are also carrier layouts on frontier store and paintjobs available
you can walk around inside the carriers... in no man’s sky
Tbh I can’t wait to get one, it’s what I have been wanting in this game for a while ! ( although a smaller / mid size one would be nice down the road, as well as player owned stations ) if
anyone is looking for people to play with, I have a community of people that play it often and we almost have enough for a carrier, add me on steam with the same name if you are looking for chill adults to play with !