Evolution Is False And The Origin of Humans | RJ - CO | The Atheist Experience 24.28
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SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:00 Introduction With Seth Andrews
12:22 Jonathan-MI | Has Solid Proof of God
25:34 Stephen-IL | Is Hebrew School Right for Son
36:59 Matthew-NC | God Placebo Effect
57:57 RJ-CO | Evolution is False and The Origin of Humans
1:21:00 Jessica-VT | The End of the World and Indoctrination
1:32:59 Mary-MN | Terminally Ill and Conversations About Death
SHOW NOTES
In today’s episode of the Atheist Experience, Matt Dillahunty is joined by Seth Andrews. Seth is a long time friend of Matt and a friend of the show, welcome back!
First up we have Jonathan in MI, who claims to have solid evidence for god. For example, he takes it on faith that they found Jesus’ tomb and his cross still stands in Jerusalem.
Faith is not a good pathway to truth. Work on your google-fu Jonathan.
Stephen in IL is up next. He was raised reform jewish and is questioning if jewish history and hebrew school is right for his son, more for the culture of it. Our hosts are for religious history classes, just not the advocacy for a god.
Matthew from NC is next up. His dad had cancer and Matthew believes his father's faith gave him strength to make it through the ordeal and into experimental treatments. We shouldn't have to lie to ourselves to push through. Great topic caller!
RJ in CO is calling to argue that evolution is false and the judeo-christian theory is correct. He goes on to argue the origin of humans was in Sumeria. We end with an in depth conversation about the tower of babel, fascinating.
Jessica from VT has parents that think the world is ending and Jesus is coming back. Her parents have been trying to indoctrinate their grandchildren. Now Jessica is grappling with restricting access to her kids. Give yourself permission to set boundaries, great advice Seth.
The last call of the show, Mary in MN. She is terminally ill and finds people don't want to talk about death, yet she isn’t afraid to die. She has been living her best life the last 6 months. Matt looks forward to Mary calling back with updates. Great example of a rational mind facing death!
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The guy gets offended when Matt suggests he's a flat earther. Minutes later: "When Noah landed on Mt. Ararat..."
hahaha lol
Hahaha the irony is thick with this one.
Haha. yes funny moment.
He is incoherent, as the Bible clearly states that the Earth is flat.
@James Hodson
Did Jesus heal the leopards?
So this guy thinks that the first homo sapiens immediately opened up a journal; "Day one: still tired from evolving. Waiting on others to show up so we can build a library. More later."
Oh my God you've got me giggling about evolution. 😂👍
Wait I don't believe in God! How about oh my Hitch.
@Scott Scotty they took it from the ground ofc. The didn’t have machines back then.
Just joking ofc, I know what you meant. People didn’t pee ofc, they were created in the image of God and he doesn’t pee ofc.
This was a good laugh.
Lol
I'm guessing that RJ isn't collecting his Nobel prize for biology anytime soon.
Just to nit pic, there is no prize for biology.
There's chemistry and medicine, but no biology!
@@iseriver3982 I think you get my drift.
what weed is this dumbasss smoking
RJ didn't even get a participation ribbon.
Haha 😆
it's funny I've been an atheist since I was 13 yrs old (in my 40s now) and for some reason I still find these debates to be entertaining.
Me too. I just like to tune in to see if they have finally come up with ANY rational arguments for god.
After all, the moment they do, I’ll have to reevaluate my world views.
I’m not holding my breath
Did you turn atheist by reading the bible too?
me too and I'm sixty
I'm 58 and have been an atheist my entire life, I never started believing in god, it just always seemed absurd when the reason given for believing was "it's a matter of faith." So here I am at 58 waiting for someone to come along with the slam dunk argument and proof that god is real , god is a supernatural being, god is omnipotent, god created the universe and everything in it. So far I have seen zero evidence for any of it. I come here to see the theists squirm and try to define things how they would like it, like DNA being a code.
same.... I enjoy watching these, yes theyre entertaining, but theyre also good lessons in reasoning and logic and how to debate.
“I can disprove evolution, I better call into a talk show.” Lol
He could be the famous Christian who destroys evolutionary theory and brings back Christianity in a big way, not to mention the billions he'd get from right wing groups. But no, my man's got his priorities straight.
@@nickv1212 w s s as de ssee see very
A talk show about atheism.😂
@@FourDeuce01 saying this is just a talk show about atheism completely misses the larger point.
The main tenant of the show...which is applicable to EVERYTHING.
What do you believe...and why do you believe it?
@@jerryp6001 What I believe and why I believe it has absolutely nothing to do with what Matt believes.
It also has nothing to do with evolution.
Caller: “When Noah landed on Mt Ararat...” Seth: “I’m done”
GAAAY!!!!
Yea and what happened on Mt Ararat after landing anyway.... all the animals tigers lions gazelles Komodo dragons and T-Rex’s depending on what Christians you talk to just got off the boat and wandered around a Rocky Mountain top? For how long, till the water receded and they could all go back to their lands across oceans which still existed somehow?
Hands are up lmao had me WEAK 🤣
And “landed”? Was Noah in a spaceship? 🤦🏼♀️
@@johnkramer2349 really? More than 200 people gave it a thumbs up. Who calls people "Gay boy"? What are you, 12?
As a scholar of ancient history, I want to cry.
there seems to be quite a few in the comments.
This show was once a very cool learning experience (was already atheist then, not really realizing though).
As of 10 years ago or so, it has become a reason to grab the popcorn and have a little ha-ha
Yeah
It’s basically a horror movie now…Albiet a comedy/horror
@@Alltoofinite Yeah the LBTQHVVREWNJO community really dove in there with all their sheit
@@jebclang9403 well, I was referring more to the horror show of Christian zealot (un) apologists….. but I guess that would’ve been redundant compared to your original comment… a sloppy comment on my behalf… And although I’m not going to lie and deny that it doesnt seem to be infiltrated by a new irrelevant (to the subject) culture… but the difference is though ,is that culture does not threaten me in anyway no matter what I think of it.
But again… I don’t see the relevance of it in this forum
Caller: [sermon]
MD: [logic and facts]
Caller: Yes, but [continuation of sermon]
@Comp I kno part of the fun is listening to these wack jobs but Matt gets too annoyed and can’t stay quiet. Having patience with morons like this must be extremely difficult, n Matt’s been at this for years, I think he just doesn’t care about seeming rude or cutting someone off if he can tell the person isn’t making sense, I think he lost all his fucks. Lol
@@speedbagboxer7451 He's probably got a few left.
How often have you heard Matt say, "I don't give a fuck ... "
P'raps he's just using them sparingly. LOL
@Comp I'm allready happy he didn't began to blabber about Nephilims and shit like that
When this caller said Egypt was not in African it sums up the type of person you are dealing with.
@Jit 8 how the hell die you come to the conclusion that he did anything but ramble in this video
@I love 5G and the aliens that are coming back. oh no a typo in a RUclips comment /gasp
@I love 5G and the aliens that are coming back. Especially for omitted apostrophes.
@I love 5G and the aliens that are coming back. it's not a post, it's a comment
In 1986 I heard a Christian say " I didn't come from a monkey ! " In 2016 I heard one say " I didn't evolve from a monkey !" I think they're making progress.
BA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! Brilliant!
In 2021 I (an Atheist) still say we did not come from a monkey, or evolve from a monkey But we are are an Ape, a Great Ape at that. Humans are just mutated Apes. See we couldn't even do that without screwing up. We are imperfect Apes.
i would prefer they use the word ape.
30 years to correct one word. That's slow progress. Sounds like, I don't know, evolution? Those who don't believe in evolution are evolving to believe in evolution. Sadly, I think humans will be instinct before they get there.
@@chiefreficul9774 Desmond Morris has a book, "The Naked Ape" Compared with other apes, we have bigger behinds, bigger breasts in the female, bigger penises in the males, oh and somewhat bigger brains.
Clear evidence our educational system needs an evolution. This is what happens when we cut funds to public schools and shift them to religious charter schools.
We keep throwing more and more money at education, trouble is no one pays enough attention to how its spent.
It's not entirely, because there's apparently no church and state cohesion (obviously there is), they snuck creationism into science lessons
Absolute truth.
@Viktor Tandofsky Ok. Then bring me your god and evidence.
@Viktor Tandofsky no, most people see things they think is evidence for god
I've been an Atheist for 20 years and have walked this walk alone until I found Seth, Matt, AronRa, and many others on RUclips 3 months ago and I've learned so much from all of them. Matt, Seth, and AronRa are a fkn scream! They get me laughing so hard 😂 that my face hurts!!!
Love you all and thank you so much for all your help!
And you still have CHRISTOPHER HITTCHNS GOGGLE THAT ONE ON RUclips..
@Magical Chemical Daddy...and you have no intelligence, wit, creativity...
...or a god, creature.
@Magical Chemical Daddy Proof it instead of making bold statements. I can also just claim that you have a God and that he is called Odin. So worship him - NOW!
See? The same bullsh*t you are doing.
And they’ve all been debunked multiple times by Gary Habermas. Such a shame that you believe in such horrible lies. God has proven himself over and over again by here you atheists are demanding evidence for god when he has shown it to you. The truth is atheists don’t care about the truth because when evidence is presented to them they immediately reject it because it doesn’t fit their agenda
@@francismanalese7337 Which "lies" do you mean specifically? How has God (which god by the way) "proven himself"? Which evidences are you talking about? All gods have the same amount of evidences = zero, so far. So it would be really helpful to get a first evidence for a specific god.
Atheists are waiting for evidences, not rejecting them. Atheists don't have an "agenda" as atheists is not a movement or anything, they just lack in believing a deity.
Yahweh does not want humans to cooperate, build community, share resources and prosper. He wants humans to remain stupid and dependent on him and not figure things out and progress. Does this sound familiar to our current politics? Let that sink in for moment.
Yea you see how a crazy person is like a god
Yep😛
the people who made up the diety of any people. Fear is that through research and investigation(scientific method). That Thunder Lighting doesn't come from a hammer or from some diety throwing them from top of a mountain, or it makes any sense that a god would need a son or sacrifice himself to himself, but whoever said religion is logical
And don't forgot that he did that by creating all of the current languages so that it would be impossible for say people around the world to write and read comments on a RUclips video, wonder how that scheme worked out for him... Also strange how people back some thousands of years ago had the technology to build a tower high enough that it scared him when we today can build crafts flying into outer stellar space and that somehow has not turned out to be a problem...
edit: and of course they addresses both, so much for commenting without seeing the whole video :)
LoL, yup according to the Bible humans were getting along, working together to build the tower of Babel, god didn't like that so you smashed the tower and forced people to speak different languages so they couldn't understand each other and work together. So much for freewill I guess.
I have always found it interesting that one of the base tenets of Judaism and Christianity is the avocation of ignorance being a good thing. Adam and Eve eat a fruit of knowledge and are evicted by God into the wilderness. The Tower of Babbel story is again a group willing to put knowledge as a foundation for their society and God says "Nope" and confounds their language to not allow for the exchange of knowledge. It seems the last thing the writers of this book wanted was informed people because when people can seek and find knowledge, it makes them so much harder to keep under the leader's thumb.
And God gave them freewill, apparently...
Not just Judaism and Christianity. Islam believes in the story about Adam and Eve as well.
This guy must have been home schooled. Nobody is that stupid? 😃😂😃
@@mjohanss1975
"Not just Judaism and Christianity. Islam believes in the story about Adam and Eve as well."
Judaism is bullshit 1.0
Christianism is bullshit 1.5
And Islam is bullshit 2.0
Same origin , same lame result !
@@TheCyrix1 I am not going to disagree with anything you just said. Islam might be a little bit more polished than previous versions of the same idea but a polished turd is still a turd.
This whole call is even funnier when keeping in mind that he’s trying to debunk evolution
@Viktor Tandofsky
Then present the evidence.
@Viktor Tandofsky And just because you assert that there is evidence doesn’t make it so.
Every few years, I return to The Atheists Experience and hear exactly the same conversations.
Theism. Theism never changes...
If you're reading, RJ, here are easy steps to go from Africa to the Middle East in order for civilisations to begin :
1. Early Africans would have been hunter gatherers, living a mainly nomadic lifestyle.
2. As natural resources became more scarce with population increase, it was natural for hunter gatherers to migrate to more distant areas.
3. Eventually, some ended up in the Middle East
4. The Middle East was blessed with grain and with sheep and goats (none of which existed in Africa) which they learned to domesticate, and so began agriculture.
5. Agriculture no longer requires a nomadic life, so settlements began.
6. As settlements became established, they grew into towns where cooperation was needed to maximise crops etc.
7. One of the first uses of language was to organise the production and selling of crops, which meant that some people could diversify into pottery, basket weaving etc, so that commerce could begin.
8. All of this required organisation usually recorded, one such thing being the building of irrigation channels from the Tigris or Euphrates (Sumeria is in Mesopotamia remember?)
9. It's natural for such communities to establish hierarchies and create myths about themselves. Bingo!
If grains and domesticable animals had not existed in the Middle East, had there been no reliable source of water, civilisation would most likely never have started there.
tony bennett I haven’t read about this process for a long time. Only, I recall there was a period between 5 and 6, where populations alternated between settling for a short time going nomad settling and working the cycle. When Sumer was established on divine land, who administers it? A priesthood, perhaps?
Yup. Perfect summation of how pretty much all societies and civilizations began. Morals and ethics were also learnt along the way which debunks the religious "moral foundation" from a god. You would think this would be common sense for everyone wouldn't you.
Your main problem with this all comes down to one thing; time is of the essence. How would you cork all these events and processes into a 6,000 year framework? Nah, I think I will go with life originating in Ancient Sumeria thank you very much. It's called the Garden of Eden.
@@scipioafricanus5871 Ahh, another story stolen from Greek mythology (The garden of the Hesperides) . I haven't seen any talking serpents recently, have you?
@@petersinclair3997 Thanks. I simplified it in case RJ was taking a look, but I'm not too optimistic.
Based on his argument, the first ant to arrive in my front yard came up out of the ground at the location of the biggest ant hill in my front yard.
16:39 I'm glad Matt brought this up. The Tower of Babel story is a shocking allegory for the real motivation behind religion.
2:30 "So prove evolution is false and undermine all of science. Go ahead"
It is lines like these that make me fuc*ing LOVE this show
i could listen to Seth Andrews all day
I could look at Seth Andrews all day! The dude is a hottie! 😍
@@madelinemitchell104 yesh omg :)
I use his channel to go to sleep. It's not that he's boring but his voice is relaxing for me
I couldnt. His voice is so pastoral, its annoying.
He's not great in this clip though. First he's too keen to follow this guy down rabbit holes, and then when Matt corrects him on his interpretation of the Tower of Babel story he instead gets defensive and starts backtracking his own words, as if they never meant what he said. I'm fine with people clarifying their position, but that's really not what it seemed like was happening here.
Whenever someone denies there is evidence for evolution always ask if they can even name the five basic categories of evolutionary evidence. Their argument of denial from ignorance will immediately be on full display.
Remember the Star Trek episode where Spock describes their adversary as exhibiting ' 2-dimensional thinking' ?
"Evolution is fake because I'm too stupid to do any research".
Evolution is not entirely wrong. We can see in Artificial Intelligence programming that certain states do lead to certain eventual outcomes based on the rules that are introduced. However, whether or not organic life was steered in the direction of a designed brain and body that is compatible with having a soul is a whole separate issue.
frost mourne Ye, What is a soul? I would like to know too.
@frost mourne - How can you be so certain that organic life had an end goal, and how can you be sure that goal is a “designed brain and body compatible with a soul?”
There is no soul. There's only consciousness which is an emergent property of the brain.
Yes! Actually that's the "theist Experience" (And IGNORANCE.)
The poor kid doesn't even know that Egypt is in Africa.
@Regnum defende better take a look at a map.
@Regnum defende 😂😂 I'm from Africa my guy. Which Egypt is in the middle east? Egypt is on the African continent last time I checked
@Regnum defende how old are you?
@Regnum defende what continent did you say Africa is in again, child?
@Regnum defende you've got gay sex on the brain, haven't you, Tiny?
I love Matt's interpretation of the Tower of Babel story so much. If the Bible is consistent about anything, it's the characterization of Yahweh as a deeply insecure, petty, narcissistic tyrant. So of course he would fear, above all else, his "subjects" no longer needing or fearing him.
Yahweh is actually just Zeus in disguise. It would be hard to say which make-believe diety is more petty, mean, spiteful, jealous (the Bible even makes a point of Yahweh's jealousy), and just plain IMPERFECT- humanly imperfect. They were constantly meddling in human affairs. Both played with humans as if they were pieces in a board game (as in Clash of the Titans, and the story of Job). how anyone can take the Old Testament seriously is simply beyond me. In comparison, the New Testament would be completely believable, were it not for its tales about such everyday phenomena as zombies capable of walking on water. I don't care how high a person's IQ might be: if they accept the Bible as being even remotely truthful, they have to have, at root, the common sense of a three year old...
@@tomsmith7742 It's my opinion that when Zeus got a woman pregnant, she at least got the pleasure of an orgasm or even two.
Trump's base already has a very strong fundament of denying reality and building an alternative, while dismissing everyone who laughs at them.
😂
And the ones who hate him just cant speak about anything without bringing him up, he lives rent free in your head and you dont even know it, i mean, i hate the fucker to after his red flag law bullshit, but come on man..... Youre legit acting like the theists here... "My beliefs are better than yours cuz i said so"
I hope you got help with your TDS.
"Evolutionists". At least he didn't call them "Darwinists".
It's because they think that the theory of diversity of life is somehow a religion
They cant comprehend life without worshipping something so they assume everybody actually does and just pretends not to
@@rs72098 It's a term only used by creationists (see the Wikipedia entry on "evolutionism"). All of modern biology is now underpinned by evolutionary biology to the extent that it's ridiculous to pigeonhole a biologist on this theory.
It's like calling all physicists "thermodynamicists" because you've got the "one true" crackpot theory about time and energy.
It's also similar to how homeopathic advocates call science-based medicine "allopathic medicine". Yes, it's in the dictionary. Yes, it outs you as a crackpot.
@@manelneedsaname1773 Which is because they don't know what words mean. Ask them to define anything, and just watch them struggle.
I think this has to be my absolute favourite AXP clip. Extreme ignorance followed by a very funny exchange between Matt and Seth. Absolute gold.
Matt and Seth are the ultimate dream team! Amazing knowledge
Hearing the Tower of Babel story this way now makes God sound like a classic trickster-god. “Oh, these humans are getting too smart; what can I do to mess them up? I’ve got it! Mix up their languages, teeheehee”
You can hear the stupid oozing out of this one.
How about "The stupid is strong with this one."?
@@blarglemantheskeptic so what kind of truck creature are you, I'm a Ford f150 myself.
@@huffdaddy3845 Already used that in another video :D
@@blarglemantheskeptic It has a larger brain as well
I said this on another comment, but it needs repeated here. I think you meant that in jest, but I was a creationist until I was 23 years old. I now have my B.S. in ecology and evolutionary biology and I am working on my PhD in microbiology. I accepted evolution as a result of people taking time to talk to me as someone who had a flawed hypothesis and not as someone dumber than a second grader. I was smarter than a second grader, I was just mistaken in my understanding of biology
I'll spoil the ending of the Bible for you:
And then God was defeated by human science and technology.
The End
There is no one to defeat. Also, spoiler: Jesus dies at the end. But its ok, he had a 1up mushroom.
i think the actual last line is "and god threw up his hands in despair"
@@bipolarminddroppings *"It's-a me, Martyro!"*
The Science just means knowledge.If Science was so great, why can’t we found a way for humans to stop dying???
@@Jay-kw2kb Well, it's sort of like grammar, and proper punctuation and capitalization: we have those, but some people don't know it/have gaps in it yet to be filled. ☝️
Seth has such a great voice as well as powerful logic, a great partner to Matt.
Every video of the AE is a treat.
This is why I love Matt, I also thought it was because of the tower that god got mad, but it was human cooperation and enginuity that made god mad! 😮
"I'm done."
-Seth Andrews, 2020
Does he not realize egypt is in Africa and greece isn't in the middle east?
He doesn't realize many things. Not even basic geography.
A LOT of people literally try to deny it. It's anti-blackness tbh, which is part of the foundation of Christianity. Just as offensive as when people talk about "ancient aliens" as the builders of the pyramids...because of course there's no possible way melanated humans could've built them 😔🙄🙄🙄😑 another reason films portray Egyptians fair skinned, etc. Ptolemy would've been though...but that's a story for another time. Also, if you've read this far, check out "They Came Before Columbus" by Ivan Van Sertima 😊
@@chicagoliightsx Egypt isn’t black dumbass, not all Africans are black
@@chicagoliightsx what foundation of Christianity
@@chicagoliightsx Two issues here. The first second Christian kingdom in history is founded by black Africans. Anti-blackness isn't remotely a part of the foundation of Christianity. Christianity had a continued presence in Africa till Islamic conquest for centuries and centuries.
Egyptians weren't black for the most part. There was a small dynasty of black pharaohs but they lasted far shorter then even the Ptolemaic dynasty. So if they're not enough to call the pharaohs fair skinned then they certainly weren't black either. Egyptians in their own artwork take great care to depict themselves as far lighter then the southern Nubians and other Africans. They also take equal care to depict themselves to be darker then northern traders like those of the levant.
Semi third point, those ancient alien people also believe aliens in the Balkans build some pyramids there, they just hate human skill regardless of skin color :P
Just brilliant responses - Matt and Seth are an awesome team 😁
Just to set the record straight, Ken Miller is a biology professor at Brown. Seth mistakenly says he’s an “intelligent design guy.” He’s actually the opposite. In fact, he was the expert witness for the plaintiff in the much-publicized Kitzmiller vs Dover Schools trial in the mid-2000s. His testimony about the scientific fact of evolution was instrumental in having ID banned from being taught in science classrooms in Pennsylvania.
Thank you! I was about to make the same comment 😀
The story of The Tower of Babel puzzles me, because people are adaptive. They can figure out languages with practice, so even if a god split up people into different languages they'd still be able to come together and figure each other out.
Certainly didn’t stop man from finding ways to caravan to other countries for trade so spreading man out just allowed them to build bigger cities along trade routes and develop better technologies to move goods. For something that was supposed to be omniscient, it sure was 100% wrong regarding confounding languages and spreading out the people.
AGray
Wasting time worrying over superstitious fictions ?
@Viktor Tandofsky So then you base your faith in religion on metaphors? Good luck with that. An atheists are not ignorant of the bible. Most have been indoctrinated and then separated from organized religion and have accepted reason and reality instead of a faciality. No need to insult, but that seems to be most theist position when someone disagrees with them.
It’s science for stupid lazy people
@Viktor Tandofsky Ok, then how do know which parts are metaphor and which parts are facts? How do you know that the bible isn't just ALL metaphor?
When he spoke the words "When Noah landed on Mt. Ararat" I guffawed so loudly I woke up my roommate
I'm the smartest guy in my local militia. I finished 9th grade and I'm ready to swing my big brain around.
“Atheism doesn’t exist” Damn, I always suspected that I might be imaginary.
Well, it doesn't occupy spacetime, but that just means that theism also doesn't exist. Atheists and Theists, however, do.
More Tigers in captivity on the American continents than what is in the Asian Wild, so Tigers must have first arose in Captivity, in America.
@Magical Chemical Daddy Its good to know that Frankenstein's monster became a deity.
@Magical Chemical Daddy
@Magical Chemical Daddy Seeing as how actually the entire planet doesn't agree w/ you about which always lowercase god, I can't say yes to that 😅
But trash as you may be, unlike your god chain letter you are a creature extant 😁
@Magical Chemical Daddy Correct. You continue to prove unworthy of serious consideration & I merely mock your troll ass. Troll is all you could be here I honestly tell you how I view you. So since I can't stop you from parroting the same nonsense, know that I think you do more to pull folks out of religion than I could personally hope to do 😁 Keep up the good work!
@Magical Chemical Daddy You have a flying spaghetti monster.
This is why you don't drop children on their head when they are little they can never recover from that.
Probably why doctors stopped slapping babies on the butt to jump start their breathing. For some (case under discussion) that would damage their brains and speech centers.
This is why you shouldn't teach children religion.
dropping a baby on it's head and force feeding religion to a baby are essentially the same
g g . Ahh but the "dropping on the head" caper is much more complex. The religious are dumb but not stupid. Parents and preacher$ are sly, underhanded con artists. Indoctrination/brainwashing is carefully and deviously planned. First you fill the delicate mind of a two-year-old with a colourful picture book of a loving Jesus. You continue to pump all the lovey-dovey Jesus stuff into the child. As they get to Sunday school they meet the equally cunning converters. These teachers will fill the kids heads with stories of jolly animals frolicking around Noah's Ark.
Find me a Sunday school teacher who will explain to children about god advising parents to sell their daughters into slavery, stating that disobedient children should be stoned to death, or the ever so loving act of smashing babies heads against rocks. No they won't dare tell children that. They continue along with parents and others to keep pumping all that loving Jesus stuff into the child until adulthood, until they are sufficiently brainwashed to no longer care that they are worshipping a non-existent psychopath.
Matt the Man of great knowledge and common sense. Seth is awesome as well!!!
13:00 Seth throwing up his hands at the mention of Noah, priceless.
Anytime someone calls in to "refute" evolution, Matt should tell them to watch The Systematic Classification Of Life ep1-49 (and 50, when it is posted) by Aron Ra first, and then call back. Would save a lot of time because calls will be 5 minutes long, and they'll never call back.
But it's fun to watch all these hopeful Yahwe Yahoos slowly being taking apart thinking they could eviscerate Matt Dillahunty and the AEx.
Except that would require the idiots to drop their confirmation bias and actively seek out info that could prove their stupid ass beliefs to be false. Their brains aren't capable of it.
They won't because that would detour their belief in magic
The Sumerians had their own flood myth before the Noah story was invented.
I'd say Noah story is actually a copy of Sumerian myths, just as some other stories in the Bible, like the story of creation.
orca winfreys big black fish hole
I have looked it up before and the bibles story is so similar to the Gilgamesh story that it’s obviously just a retelling of an older story.
FYI Noah’s ark is just as unseaworthy. Never mind that the whole story is impossible to begin with.
Gilgamesh was Mesopotamian and not Sumerian I think.
@@grantwing4942 Actually, Mesopotamia is the region between Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Sumerian civilization arose in southern parts of Mesopotamia.
@orca winfreys big black fish hole Well, it could be there are some differences, but the main plot is the same. And Sumerian myths are much older than the Bible.
E. g. check out the story of Dyonisus, which is pretty similar to story of Jesus...
_Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger. He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles. He “rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.” He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification. Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25. He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine. He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.” He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,” “Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.” He was identified with the Ram or Lamb. His sacrificial title of “Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified._
I spent years in the church and was a hardcore believer. Even as an atheist for the last 12 years, I could’ve made better arguments for Christianity than this guy.
14:18 'no, I was waiting for you to say goodbye' - brutal LOL
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Wiki^
Yet they still call string theory a theory
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There is also theoretical science, not the same thing.
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It is what it is, man. It is a theory... it just ain't a scientific theory.
@@Nickesponja the problem at those levels is that it works.
Both Quantum theory and string theory make predictions in very different ways. But so far both have similar success rates.
Until we found a discordant point were one of them fails they're equally valid. And in a sense truth.
@@juangarza320 They aren't equally valid. String theory predicts extra dimensions and symmetries that haven't been found. With that logic, I could add the hypothesis that God exists to quantum mechanics and say we get a theory that is equally valid because it has a bunch of confirmed predictions too.
Ive never met or heard anyone who both understands and denies evolution. Funny that.
Creationists are stuck with a god operating evolution with an objective of creating humans and humans beginning at a particular moment in time.
I suspect Dr Georgia Purdom understands evolution (Ken Ham for that matter). She has a doctorate in molecular genetics from Ohio State University I find it hard to believe she got that far in genetics without at least grasping evolution. But she knows where her paycheck comes from so she'll never admit it.
@andrew gallovich but we only have your word. Kent hovind claims to understand evolution and deny it but undeniably doesn't
@andrew gallovich how about you start by explaining what you think evolution means. That's where most science deniers get it wrong.
@andrew gallovich as for the mechanism that would be natural and occasionally artificial selection if you believe those don't happen I invite you to provide peer reviewed evidence not just your religious belief about it. Yet heres the problem: evolution has been directly observed. Even if we are wrong about the cause its still a fact unless you can demonstrate it doesn't happen, hence me asking for a definition. Let me use an example of why. Do you believe people in the middle ages got diseases? At the time they believed an imbalance of the four humors made people sick. Does them not knowing what caused the bubonic plague mean it didnt exist? Cause that's sort of what saying "the causes are wrong so evolution doesn't happen" amounts to.
RJ demonstrates how it is possible to have both personal credulity and incredulity at the same time.
I really enjoy hearing from Seth. I'd like to see more of him.
He has his own YT channel: TheThinkingAtheist. Well worth checking out.
@@graceskerp Thanks!
@@MizzouRah78 My pleasure. Enjoy.
This guy probably couldn't name 5 african countries. How far does he think africa is from the middle east lol
Yeah that's what I thought. Has he never heard of migration?
there is a great little vox pop video made by jay leno asking americans if they know where various countries are on the map, my favourite was "do you know where korea is?" and the guy says "the problem with korea is it could be anywhere"
And he places « ancient civilizations » in the middle east and then cites Ancient Egypt and ancient Greece as examples of that along Sumeria... Well, Greece is in Europe and Egypt is in Africa... Get your geography right and watch a world map, maybe you’ll see evolution differently
He should have asked how humans arrived in the Western Hemisphere at minimum 12K years ago.
He thinks mt Ararat is in Syria... he also sounds massively stoned 🤦🏻♀️
Im at 05:00 and as molecular biologist, this guy is doing my head in!
They guys are wonderful! And put it into words for all of us!
>Says he has evidence for God
>Then tries to disprove evolution
>Then starts talking about anthropology
all over the map
Further to Seth's skyscrapers: imagine how ol' Yahweh felt watchin' Alan Shepard golfin' on the Moon?
Darkmatter2525 has a short animation along those lines. God wakes up after a long nap and bumps his head on the ISS.
god, i just wish that i could listen as carefully and responsibly as these guys. i feel so lucky to be an atheist and to find like-minded people.
I love Seth Andrews. He's soooo awesome inside and outside.
I love Seth's smile. He's shaking his head without actually shaking his head.
He said "my hands are up, my hands are up." Pussy went and surrendered.
“I think I’m getting off track.”
Yeah, like a train wreck.😂
@@kentonbaird1723 That’s religious apologists for you. Going from one train wreck to another.😉
Tower of Babel: There are no interpreters on Earth....
Hi my name is homo erectus I go back 1.8 or 2 million years
"One proof" against evolution is like saying you've disproved a house because you think one brick is in the wrong place.
Even if they're right, there's still a lot more bricks in the house.
Changed my mind, it more like he's trying to convince you the bricks are in the wrong place. But he's pointing at a straw house. In a different state.
As an Atheist, I reject the doctrine, that proclaims that "The Universe had to have had a beginning" I reject the notion of "Beginning, and End". I agree that: "Nothing comes from Nothing", and for precisely that reason, I reject the religious insistence upon "Creation". There are many examples of Self-Organization in Nature: Look up: "Cymatics, Self Ordering Molecules, Dynamic Self Assembly". No "Sky-God-Creator" in required for complex entities to form. And, a "Perfectly ordered Universe" would be a dead Universe. The fact that randomness can occur, is what enables change to take place!
I'm a student of history and i can tell you this. The fact that the oldest civilizations are from the middle east means nothing in regards to where humans came from. By the time civilization (cities) first appeared there were already humans all over the globe. So his line of thought not only doesn't work...but actually defeats itself.
Let's not forget the Etrurians, that predates the romans by 3.000 years...same area of central Italy.
That was legitametly the dumbest argument I have ever heard in my life and i have been surrounded by all kinds of morons.
The story of the Tower of Babel, to me is a perfect example of mythology rooted in reality.
It is entirely plausible that a group of over achievers got together and decided to build a civilization, with their crowning achievement to be this huge tower that “reaches the heavens”, and given what we know now about engineering, we can guess what would have happened if they tried using those techniques and materials.
And so after trying, and failing to accomplish this feat, they did what every ancient civilization did when misfortune befell them, they blamed God and abandoned their efforts and interpreted it as God punishing them for their hubris. So, now humility before God becomes one of the foundational tenets of a fledgling religion.
The Tower of Babel is about the loss of writing after the Bronze Age Collapse in the late 12th century BCE.
I think I heard there is a specific ziggurat that the tower of babel story was inspired by. Can't recall the specific one though, or if it's one that still exists.
Heaven is accually just the space outside planet earth so tecnicly 2 feet of the ground would be considered heaven no matter if u stand on mt everest or the most flat contry in the world😂
@@alanmacification is the tower itself a metaphor for knowledge?
Lmfaoooo 13:10 "im done" 🤣🤣💀💀💀💀 that man really said when noah landed on mt ararat 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 my coffin size xl
I have never laughed so much than listening to Seth's arguments that includes where civilisation started, population and language.
God, in his omniscience, looked ahead but didn't see Google Translate coming down the track. Nice one!
We're all thinking it, I'll be the one to go ahead and say it... Seth's quarantine tan game is ON POINT!!!
You are the most patient dudes on earth. That caller was a tsunami of stupidity.
Is this caller for real? Wow! Just. Wow.
I use people like Matt dillahunty to keep mentally well. Sometimes I'll have moments where i come to a terrible conclusions. I watch him collaborate with another great mind during these shows to remind myself how to think critically, rationally and logically.
Hey Matt I just wanted say I’ve been following you since I’ve been very young and I’ve learned so much over the years but the biggest thing I’ve learned from you and this show was an improved vocabulary I’ve had to google a lot of the words you use and over the years it’s improved my vocabulary to the point where people have complimented it and I just wanted to thank you for that much appreciated sir 🙏🏼
Same here.
56 years old and learning new words here all the time also
I have an English degree, am almost 60, and still learn from these people. Can’t thank them enough.
Seth is so eloquent and provides excellent infantry fire while Matt brings in the heavy artillery.
"More pizza is consumed in the USA today than it is in Italy, therefore pizza was invented in the USA": the caller's logic. 100% infallible. Can't deny it!
Burgers and French fries are American!
My fathers sister's husband (circa 1920) said that flying was against God's law. He said that they are invading Gods territory. I am eighty years old so yes, this was told to me when I was about eight years old.
A first semester anthropology student could have disproven him in 5 seconds and he would still go on believing it! He was deriving a premise from a preconstructed conclusion
I had biology class in highschool
@@laapache1 congrats
The post caller discussion was far more interesting than the call itself.
Seth looks at the camera the way I look at myself in zoom meetings
Matt had me laughing at this one. Ten minutes into the call and the guy was still rambling incoherently but he knows evolution is false and that Noah landed in Mount Ararat. Please, kids, stay in school.
Noah's Ark has been found six times in six different locations.
Proof that God is a raging psychopath with a bipolar disorder
and dumber than a box of rocks.
The sad part is that the mountain has been called by the name Ararat (in the West) since the Middle Ages, as it began to be identified with "mountains of Ararat" described in the Bible as the resting place of Noah's Ark, despite contention that Genesis 8:4 does not refer specifically to a Mt. Ararat.
The ark landed on the "mountains of Ararat" (Biblical Hebrew: הָרֵי אֲרָרָט, hare ararat), according to Genesis 8:4. Many historians and Bible scholars agree that "Ararat" is the Hebrew name of Urartu, the geographical predecessor of Armenia; they argue that the word referred to the wider region at the time and not specifically to Mt. Ararat. The phrase is translated as "mountains of Armenia" (montes Armeniae) in the Vulgate, the fourth century Latin translation of the Bible.
Christians literally do not know where their fictional ark landed.
@@AC-gb7do not only that, they are not aware that at least one of the mountains of Ararat is a n active volcano which has erupted several times. One in the 1800s. So even if the story of Noah's ark is literally true, it would have been destroyed and buried by the lava flows.
I love that there are religious recruitment ads on this channel 😂😂
Also I used to think that Matt was really mean until i realized the sheer number of people who call in using the same irrelevant arguments lmao
As a wise man once said "You accomplish less if you confront someone in an argument heads on. You have to hit them gently from the side to change their tragectory because you can't force a change of belief because belief is something strongly linked to the emotions. And emotions are something totally subjective." or something like that.
This totally changed my view on how I shall confront a theist.
I mean a deconversion show can go in two directions.
1. It can ridicule the subject (caller) for his sheer ignorance on the subject. The viewers feel either good about themselves through the degradation of the caller and through their superiority of already knowing that holding this belief is like believing in the tooth fairy.
2. It can I have with the caller. And the best thing according to this wise man (sorry, I forgot his name) is to meet them at ground zero so you can have a conversation in which no one is superior to the other. Because at the beginning the theist will think that he has the high ground. Don't point out to them that they are wrong; this creates a sense of hostility. Activate their sense of wonder maybe through the needle on the water experiment and then show what soup does to the experiment. Afterwards explain science's best explanation to why this experiment did work the way it did and then maybe link the scientific method to it.
Like the wise man said. You have to change their tragectory only a little bit. The further away they are from ground zero, the further away they will be from their original tragectory route.
Insanity and religion run neck and neck
"I understand that" - No you don't
Man hearing Matt go about the story of the tower of Babel brought such a grin to my face. Since it was a critical analysis of that story which made me see the Christian god for what he was, a monster who hated humans being peaceful and self-sufficient (since if he's omnipotent he would know the countless lives and never ending bloodshed this decision would cost on top of it all).
And once those walls defending Christianity and god were down, I was an atheist in less than a week.
I was homeschooled and taught that evolution is ridiculous, so I know where this guy is coming from. It’s a place of little science, and a whole lotta faith.
In old language the word heaven was used a lot as it meant high or lofty. Like castles had look out towers that was refeered to as tower in heaven meaning they was high so to see out over the kingdom.
RJ used the word 'evolutionists' as if it an insult, as a means to lessen or detract from the huge amount of proven research. Evolution is a fact.
Cave paintings (Lascaux, ie.) predate Mesopotamia by 20k years
fotzilla but Earth is only, uuum, 6000 years old.
@@greghelton4668 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yes and there's so much more evidence elsewhere too
fotzilla said: Cave paintings (Lascaux, ie.) predate Mesopotamia by 20k years
Ron's response: You think cave wall paintings is a proof of evolution? As an artist I think that is preposterous as not everyone has the talent to draw. All people know how to do is draw stick people like the so called cavemen.
@@ronhansen8471 yeah cave drawings are a ridiculous way to prove your point
I'm not sure if this was stated as I was fast forwarding some of this due to a lack of time, however, the best response I've heard to someone saying "I don't believe in evolution" is "It's not a case of believing in evolution, it's a case of do you understand evolution"
I looked up the first nine verses of Genesis 11, as Matt said, that's all there is on the Tower of Babel. At the 17:33 mark, Matt says, "at no point does it suggest that they were trying to build a tower to reach heaven or to reach God..." This is a slight quibble, but verse 4 states this: "And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven..."
"Hey, Google Translate motherfucker!" **mic drop**
Beautifully done Matt.
"The oldest civilization we know about was not christian"
"I knew you were going to say that."
Stupidity gold right there.
It was initially a secret. However, it is now an open secret. We should be thankful.
Of course they weren't. This is assuming, That humans were all the same. The humans before the flood were quite different I believe. Christ wasn't born until much later. But... Christ existed as God prior to his birth..Christian is a human word and term, Technically, The first two Humans were Christians, because they initially were serving God, God from the garden of eden. IS Jesus Christ. It's the same person.
@@metaiv9527 The ancient Hebrew and Rabbies of today might argue that point. And Jesus Christ was not a name God used in the Torah or the whole Old Testament. In the Torah God has no gender and is as often considered to be female as much as male.
Is it he doesn't want to believe that africans are his ancestors. I came across this when lwork for the Justice department. A lawyer there over heard a discussion i was having with a co researcher about a program I saw . I think it was called the dna Adam. I told the lawyer that dna proved that we are all descended from one black man in Africa. He said that was junk science. I told my friend that that was odd since he has sent men to prison on that science
@Viktor Tandofsky The U.S. is not a Christian country. It has always been multi-cultural and multi-religious and atheists have the same rights to their beliefs as any one else. It doesn't make them as less American just because they don't believe what you do.
Theists calling into this show is strangely the equivalent of horrible singers trying out for American Idol. You're left with the baffling question, "how did these people get so mislead to believe they could go onto a show to display their talent/knowledge"?
"Evolutionist"
My PhD is in geochemistry, so I'm a geochemistist according to the caller's nomenclature scheme.
Seth is a perfect example of how a critical thinker should be. Matt presents Seth with more info about the tower of Bable and Seth says "You're right" and adjusts his opinion on the matter. Now try the same thing with a religious person and see what happens.