Slavery, Jesus, And The Existence Of God | Paul-MI | The Atheist Experience 24.50
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Slavery wasn’t that bad but there is an entire book about Hebrews trying to escape slavery because it was so bad.
Very good point!
Spot on!!
So true! An obvious point hiding in plain sight.
But then subsequently enslaving others... even when I believed 100% I struggled with that...
Lolz
I broke my backbone in 5 places while skiing. I also left the hospital two days later. The breaks were only partial fractures and were still there when I left. My grandma said I had a guardian angel, I said he was doing a shit job cause I hit a tree and was saved by ski patrol.
@@adamandeveourfirstparents4709 bad trolling.
@@adamandeveourfirstparents4709 no
@@adamandeveourfirstparents4709 Where’s the evidence that this is true?
@@adamandeveourfirstparents4709 Sure karen, you got me.
You forgot to add you also fell on your car keys Jesus found for you.
Paul: "I'm not fine with slavery"
Also Paul: "slavery is moral"
These people are scary. If their preacher tells them that they should enslave Muslims they would be ok with it.
But only if gawd says so!
Basically the whole Bible. Riddled with outrageous claims and contradictions.
matt: "where's your evidence?"
paul: "WE HAVS TEH MANUSCRIPZ!!"
hahaha
And "BAAAHHHT EEERRHHHMANN!!"
Itz in muh buybull
If mental gymnastics were an Olympic event this guy would be Gold Medalist. His leaps of logic would be legendary.
Naa. 4th place at best
Hahaha what a good description.
👏👏👏👏🤣👍
lol yeah ... good one
@@brianlaroche8856
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i grew up listening to metal but never started headbanging until listening to this call
omg i love that haha
Best. Comment. Ever!!!!
Exactly!
Fit for an autopsy can fix that quick
🤔😒😅🤣😂👍
"Every culture at the time thought slavery was not wrong"
Uh, how about the cultures that were enslaved, Paul? Bazinga!
When you start with the premise “slavery is moral” or any variant of that statement, you’re already off to a disastrous discussion.
butat the end of the day you know who should have really known better a god a god should have known better and yours didn't
because he doesn't exist….
well he does exist prove it you would have to disprove jesus
no i don't have to disprove if you say god exists prove god exists}
{Atheist Experience}
It aways come down to this
the existence of God is existence of Jesus....
@@raysalmon6566
Not exactly.
The existence of "Your God" is tied to the biblical Jesus not the historical Jesus.
The historical Jesus isn't tied to the biblical account as such as one proves the other.
The biblical Jesus is tied to the Historical Jesus. An connection that remains unverified.
The biblical Jesus isn't confirmed by Jesus but by justifying that the miracles happened.
You have to prove the miracles beyond hearsay to prove that the Historical Jesus and the Biblical Jesus is one and the same. With Jesus alone you can't get there.
Without the miracles, You do not have anything on which to get to the point that would get you to God or that Jesus was God.
P.s. As mentioned in the video aswell, Jesus owned Gospel signed in blood wouldn't qualify any of it as true.
LOL im .. i cant breathe lol. ...
Aw come on. How am I ever going to finish my pyramid?
@@raysalmon6566 People who try to prove that God exist to non believers are wasting their time, it is like talking to a dirt pile or a brick wall. God does not even waste time trying to prove His existence. I'm been studying the Scriptures for over 40 years, I never have tried to prove HE IS!
I'm impressed how Matt has been able to refute the same arguments over and over for years and still make it engaging to listen to.
People often forget this:
Deuteronomy 20
"10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to FORCED LABOR and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as the Lord your God has commanded you."
If slaves were hired poor servants, why would "forced labor" be mentioned. Also, it says all people, meaning children, will be slaves.
unfortunately, it needs to be done and im glad that ppl like MD have taken it upon themselves to put forth this effort.
Cause you can picture the caller’s gears in their head turning trying to come up with a logical answer without sounding like a complete moron
@@goranmilic442 Yes that's the good old loving god for u, it can go f itself.
He actually gave this caller too much leeway. When the caller repeated himself for the hundredth time it was time to move on
paul claims he broke his back in 5 places, prayed to be healed and the hospital released him because he was cured the very next day... I'll go out on a limb here and claim that paul made that entire story up
Also, why bother going to the hospital in the first place? Just stay at home and pray. Saves a trip.. double bonus
Gods a funny guy. Fixes this guys back while 5000 kids died from preventable causes the same day.
I'll go out on another limb and say that Paul only suffered a mild back strain.
I am willing to bet he did not 'Break' his back in five places he 'May' have had a few cracks in a few vertebrae and ended up with a bit of back ache
@LaginaVicker
Lizards can grow their tails back. Maybe god likes them more than us?
Matt always comes up with great t-shirt slogans.
"I don't need another fucking Bible verse ever."
That slogan would hit the nail right on the head.
Paul: “I dove head first into a wood chipper and four days later I was fine.” God reassembled the 500,000 pieces of me. It was a miracle!
"Fine," like a powder?
@@johnsperry9494exactly! In the Ark’s case every animal on earth plus the Noah clan of eight blew up into a mist of blood, body tissues & splinters after the Methane in the Ark rise to 4% and exploded. The belching, farting & manure would produce the amount of methane to explode in minutes while the Ark was still on dry land.
my sister, a devout Catholic, prayed for 4 years that God help her with the cancer in her back, and with the accompanying pain. Her husband and son, also devout Catholics, prayed as well. Many of my sister's and brother-in-law's friends and extended family prayed for her. She asked me several times, knowing I was a skeptic, to pray for her. I did so, because she wanted me to.
She also suffered through all the difficult procedures the medical community could muster. She died last February.
So, Paul from MI, why did your back-healing God help you, but not her, or countless others whose prayers have gone unanswered?
Probably for the same reason he lets children starve, women be raped, and murderers go free. Its all part of the mystery
Not bc he’s mean, or picky about who he helps...it’s bc he doesn’t exist. He NEVER existed, God never existed, the Bible is a work of fiction, and a lot of the info in the Bible is fallacy, or “fairytale”..
@@mykhalable9433 it’s all because He doesn’t exist, so there’s no one to help us, save us, or do anything for us.
@@BobbedMcBob yeah, people help people. Not fairy tales
@@mykhalable9433 Your so right
I think it was Matt who so eloquently said, "If your God can tell people _not_ to eat shell fish, then he can tell people _not_ to f*cking own people!" I love that. :D
He did. Lol
Also 𝙙𝙤𝙣'𝙩 𝙨𝙝𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙚𝙖𝙩 would be a useful thing to command.
keep a trail of it behind you. Keep crawling. Lol You are so wise. The simple is getting wiser than you.
@@garlandgarrett9806 but where? Genuinely asking I’m struggling with my faith.
Say the prayer of Daniel. Put nothing before God. Go on to the with no other name but with a pure heart. This may help to see clearly. For I do understand your fight. Let this be your Holy Faith in your Sanctuary before God. That none can't deceive you. I will continue fighting. Praise God
He merely repeats the talking points he’s been taught.
He has been well taught.
I agree, how sad about the levels of dishonesty within the religious hierarchy
Not taught, trained.
No he has been AWFULLY taught.
He, however, has learned those awful teachings very well.
Practice makes permanent.
@@jasondean88888 It doesn't have to be permanent. I escaped Christianity after 24 years in 2019. Trust me, you can escape, but unless a person wants to escape or change, they never will.
Wow, Matt finally has proof of God after all these years! All he has to do is go and break Pauls back in five places and wait until he is healed two days later. I look forward to that episode.
I swear this channel has some of the best content on RUclips ever.
I've written some comedy sketches based on this channel
How have you got an empty space above your comment? Is it just my app glitching?
@@WhoThisMonkey empty space
@@WhoThisMonkey your app is the divine one! I see no empty space. Lol
@@nothereforit.605
Turns out my app is God, he sent me his son, who it turns out, actually was himself, he then got really angry and sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself?
I just uninstalled and reinstalled, all is well now.
I used to think Matt was quick to anger but the more I watch he seems to have a lot of patience to do this night after night.
Not sure where’d you get that everything I’ve seen of him he tries every debate to keep professional it’s satisfying how passionate & stoic he is
Week after week, actually, unless he's doing stuff on the regular off the show itself I'm unaware of.
@@denverarnold6210 yeah personally I couldn't do it myself
Isn’t that the truth. Fortunately there is no “argument” that he hasn’t heard a thousand times before and the psychological profiles of the believers are not that varied. They are so predicable it would seem. Hats off to the ACA for years of work debunking myths and challenging people to wake up to reality.
Have you listened to the last six or so episodes of AxP with Matt? His temper is still there for sure!
Every argument for Christianity eventually comes down to one thing;
“Trust me bro”
Matt has got into Paul’s head. On numerous occasions, Paul said “Here’s the thing” 😂
The ultimate Mattism 😋
This is mind blowing. In the 21st century we are still debating this God crap.
I'll never understand how people can still believe in a god at this point.
@Cuong T Kong yeah! Why???
People believe what they WANT to believe , this is the problem with the human race .
@@adamandeveourfirstparents4709 Kent "06452-017" Hovind taught you well.
Evolution is not a model of How life started. it is the study of the change to populations over time. And populations Have changed over time so that makes evolution a Fact!!!! The god on the other hand i have no idea of what one is or a model of how a god works so i have not had a true debate with a theist on such matter as the bible is so poorly written i see no positive statments to exsamine.
Matt: "l'm gonna shut up now." Matt kept quiet for about 30 seconds.
I find that impressive as i would have only lasted 20 seconds in that moment. 🤦♂️
😆🤣 But I’m always glad when he continues cuz he’s the most entertaining and effective.
@@mider-spanman5577 Yeah , l like him too. But l've noticed that when he says he's gonna shut up, he rarely does. And Jim looked like he was getting ticked cuz throughout this week's show, Matt railroaded himself into every single call after he said he would keep quiet. Honestly, some of those callers deserved to get hung up on for being painfully stupid.
@@Jimmy-Volmer which has me honestly wonder why he has guest callers every now and again. I would actually like to hear Jim talk for once. Seriously.
Bless him he was like a race horse chomping at the bit.
I love it when Matt says he’s not going to say another word. We know it’s not going to last 5 seconds😂
Jim B is one of my favorites I will always watch when he is on with anyone! I’m so impressed with him..his intelligence his control and his ways of explanations.
Caller: "I admit manuscripts are not reliable." Matt: "Okay, great. Prove God is real." Caller: "The power of manuscripts compels you!" .... this caller was SO close to using logic. I was fucking hopeful, then my hopes were dashed.
He rebooted
@Nuel Olisadebe You're an idiot.
@Nuel Olisadebe A paragraph so garbage it could be a alien language
@Nuel Olisadebe All human experience is the result of electro chemical reactions occuring in the neurons in the brain, as far as the available evidence and science.
Human experience by itself does NOT constitute as evidence for a God.
And next time please present the peer reviewed scientific research paper or journal that shows these "10 dimensions" of experience.
@Nuel Olisadebe That doesn’t mean anything you’re just tossing a word salad.
Arguing with a fervent Christian is exhausting.
What does one even do all day in heaven as far as activities so they won't get bored. Why don't religious people know that if they plan to spend eternity there.
According to them they worship god forever so they do what the already do forever.
@@hainleysimpson1507 Yes, but without these bodies of flesh that break down, no sickness, no aging, no more death, both spiritual and physical, no more of the crud that we encounter on this earth, drugs, sex trafficking, porn, love of money or greed, devil worshipping, wars, divorce, kids getting beating by their parents, atheists barking like fools that our God does not exist, so much more...no sin at all.
When we get to heaven what ever aches and pains we had will be gone. What ever broken bones, gone. If blind, we will see, if deaf, we will hear, we will be perfect.
There will be a river with trees of fruit on its bank for eating, I can only imagine the taste. This is only one example. If you want more, read Revelation 21 and 22:1-5.
The believer, here on earth, has great fellowship with our Lord. It will only be unbelievable in heaven. Here is only a tip of what it will be like in eternity.
The conditions are opposite for Non-believers.
That's if you can find one willing to put his god to the test . There aren't that many
@@peterrooke5336 Test God? Who are we to test the Almighty? Job tried doing such and God answered him out of a tornado. When Moses ask who shall I asked sent me when talking to God on the mountain, God's reply was tell them I AM has sent you, meaning I am complete and soveign within Myself. You do not test God.
He does not even try to prove His existence. He has an entire universe that He created, yet you and millions of others do not believe in Him. He walked the earth for 33 years, healed the sick, forgave sinners, taught 12 men who also walked the earth and performed miracles, healed the sick, rebuked demons from humans, turned the world up side down. He then died on the cross for mankind sins, rose from the dead, and still people do not people. He has a best selling Book and many believe that events in the book never happened. They also believe He does not exist today. Even though He died on the cross and 12 guys, not 1 or 2, twelve, a dozen, all walked the earth, proclaiming His name and His Word. How do you explain that? This way: it happen, Jesus happen, He is real and He is God. God is real.
Test God. Good grief. Get real.
Matt at the end : 'I'm done, I don't need another bible verse, ever.'
Me : PREACH 👏👏👏
Everytime someone claims a cure as a "miracle," I ask them why they're so special that God Himself chose to heal them yet consistently leaves millions languishing in hospitals every single DAY who are all praying for a miracle on their behalf.
The hoops these people are willing to jump through! It's just amazing!
Right! There should be no fat Christians all of the jumping they do be it shouting in church or jumping through hoops about their beliefs.
lol all these books are man made.
Religion IS a mind disorder!! The world is sick to to the vast mass of mind dead people!
Yes, it's exhausting. Sadly, I know from experience... (former fundamental christian here).
@@jakemichael8586 I would argue that ‘something came out nothing’ is a mind disorder.
I love when Matt says he's going to shut up, but then the caller is so aggravating, Matt just has to jump back into the conversation.
I have been now and again watching this for the last few years and I just love it.
Matt is a genius.
Best regards from Argentina.
I work in a call centre and this is seriously what it's like sometimes, people call in. You tell them a fact and they continue to ignore that fact and demand a different answer or tell me their problem again and again
He went to the hospital with his back broken in five places and all the they did was give him some pain meds? Absolute utter bullshit.
he probably forgot to mention the brace they gave him to wear when he walked out!
He might also have forgotten to mention what kind of breaks they were. I've broken bones where the bone was literally broken all the way over into two. My entire under-arm (between elbow and wrist) was shaped like an S. But I've also broken bones where the break in a handbone was so tiny that it wasn't even visible to me on the X-ray ... it was just the tiniest slit in the bone. The doctor did hardly anything about that ... he just fixed the fingers to each other, and off I was, and it healed on its own and all is good today. I'd love to hear if his back was literally broken over into 6 pieces ... or if there were just a couple of the tiniest slits here and there.
@@jillum89 yeah, if it's just hairline fractures, you generally just rest to heal them, which makes his prayer pointless.
He prayed for something that was already guaranteed.
So either his story is bullshit, or it means absolutely nothing.
@@jillum89 probably just mildly osteoporotic. People walk around with compression fractures all the time. They can be very mild. What his back may look or feel like in 5 or 10 years is another matter.
On no it's true. Just like William Hartnell's first season of Doctor who was shot in HD Colour.
Paul: “if you don’t have a moral arbiter, you can’t have a standard of ........”
Me: *Pounds screwdrivers into both ears.*
Flathead or Philips??
Brilliant lol.
Such a pathetic argument, I mean some of the arguments these theists come up with just show what a pathetic and weak god they believe in
God is the existence of Love. Everybody believes that exists. Including you.
@@damianedwards2327 Wow. Deep.
I don't remember if I've watched this before, but it's freaking excellent! The caller seems like a nice enough guy, and you can admire the way he keeps at it while the hosts run rings around him.
"I don't need another fucking bible verse... ever"
The Book of Matt Dillahunty 24:36
Classic 😎
It's always the humans doing the talking on behalf of their deity.
That's what I've been saying. The believers are the ones doing All of the work.
@@ookeekthelibrarian Yeah. Also The same could be said of any of our beliefs, like a belief there's a cup in front of me, except there is because i'm picking it up and drinking out of it. They don't know how to make a connection from a belief to reality, it's always a belief to another beliefs or to thoughts/feelings or w/e. Or saying everything is God lol. BS
Many also collect money on behalf of their deity.
@@Ignirium you are 100% right it's a pattern their beliefs lead to other illogical beliefs,, the reason for that because you can't prove something exist that doesn't and in order to try to convince you the stories get bizzare.
@Gulagman Fourmann In a way, You're describing how malleable emotions are and how goals can be set and the possibilities they create; But Your doing the guiding, the effort, the talking, investing. You've given up choice, faithful follower.
also+ Galatians 5:1 "It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm" - Religion is rule based! not freedom! not free to question! Christianity restricts your freedom!
This was absolutely hilarious! I loved how Matt loses it with these crapheads!!! 😂😂😂
Great Zeus! You can hear the caller's hysteria and panic rising as Matt debunks everything he's saying.
5 years ago my brother began having heart issues. the doctors implanted a pace maker, and he was doing as well as could be expected, until the covid pandemic was in its infancy in 2020. my brother was an early victim. he contracted covid and with his weakened heart, he passed at the relatively early age of 60. despite the many relatives and friends and supposedly all of their church memberships praying for his health and recovery.
fast forward to a little less than a year later. i had c
ovid and i never felt as awful as i felt for that week until i started to recover. fortunately i was and still am in good health, and my immune system is strong. but when i did recover and could leave my bedroom, and return to the normalcy of a masked life, my mom told me "you see, prayer works".
out of respect for my mom, i bit my tongue. but it pissed me off that she gave her god credit for saving her atheist son, while her god let her christian son suffer with his weakened heart and eventually suffered through covid until he passed.
now, my wife and i having been trying to have a baby but for reasons that do not need to be mentioned, our doctor told us that it is highly unlikely that my wife would be able to become pregnant naturally. (the fun way) so we are going through IVF. when we had our first attempt, the embryo was implanted and the doctor told us later that my wife was "definitely pregnant."
we got tons of "oh i was praying for you" messages from both sides of our family and friends.
unfortunately, her body did not recognize the new hormones and rejected them, making it imposible for the embryo to survive. at least thats how i understood it, i may have misunderstood the doctor's explanation.
but long story short, (too late), our friends and family were soon inundating us with "oh, we are praying for you" messages.
it literally pissed me off that these people gave their god credit for the doctors' and nurses' work and then after receiving the great news, we soon received the bad news, we were supposed to be comforted that they were asking this same piece of crap for whatever they wer praying for the second time?
it baffles me that if this christian god does exist, that people can think it is any good at all
The indoctrination runs deep in this one.
Doctors do all the work. While god just takes all the credit
My grandpa said God healed him after he had an aortic aneurysm and the doctor was offended. My grandpa died after a few weeks, so clearly neither one did their job. 😝
I truly believe there is a creator, but i don't know what to believe about the bible, and what the church is teaching it's so sad but so much questions and no answers...
@@mickywinters8451 something is not right i wish i could put it all together
@@mickywinters8451 no one knows the truth about the creator
ARE U TELLING ME THAT GOD IS REALLY SANTIE CLAUSE?! that sounds about right
It always makes me chuckle when Matt says "I'm gonna stop talking you and (co-host) hash this out" and then the caller immediately says something silly enough that Matt jumps right back in.
This channel is so entertaining. I feel the frustration that you guys are going through just listening to this guy ramble on without even trying to answer your questions.
Christianity in a nutshell: Like a jealous lover with a gun to your head. "I love you but if you don't love me, I'm pulling the trigger".
Its how judaism and later judeo christian begun, zealots, you are right a jelousy mob
Yep. Religion gives you a disease then offers you a cure but at a price....🤦♂️
I did not want to pull the trigger, you made me do it...
You are bang on Ron!
@@donnchadh426 Which god are you talking about? There's over a thousand of them. And further, nobody, not even the brightest scientists nor the brightest theologians ever to exist can prove or disprove a god of any kind ever existed. The only honest answer is: "We don't know"...If you can prove a god exists, you'd change the world and your Nobel Prize awaits.
"Two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity" Albert Einstein.
....... "and I'm not so certain about the universe".
The universe is finite but stupidity of atheists never end.
So the statement shows that Albert Einstein is stupid too.
Because it has been proven that the universe has a beginning and an end
@@amarsahbi3007 Cite you sources of "proof", Sparky.
One thing is for sure, IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS!!!!
@@amarsahbi3007 "Because it has been proven that the universe has a beginning and an end" :-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD It has been proved as much as god's existence. :-D
**foundation of entire argument gets shot down**
"Okay, well let me ask you this then..."
Every time. 😂😂😂
You can actually hear the desperation in this bloke's voice as his Faith-based religious convictions fall apart around him under the uncompromising glare of logic and reason.
This clip in one sentence: "God is real in my imagination!"
@@adamandeveourfirstparents4709 _"Evolution"_ Well, there is no evidence for the existence of your god. The best evidence for evolution, are ERVs.
They argue people who are of lesser intelligence and don’t have knowledge over their Bible
Well thats the side affects of being brainwashed. You lose all site of reality.
@@ktemp2756 we are all brainwashed, it’s probably more on a scale of who’s less brainwashed by society. This channel is brainwashing people into a strict materialistic belief. You cannot prove or disprove a God through studying the creation, any rational theist can come to this understanding. So all we are left to do is try systems laid out by other religions and philosophies. If you haven’t explored spirituality through eastern routes, meditation, yoga, Qi Gong, etc,, then you have been equally brainwashed as people who have faith in religion
Thanks to my parents for brainwashing me as kid by telling me "all of this is just a fairy tale for grown ups". I don't care if this god thing is real or not. Its irrelevant to how I perceive and live my life.
I've watched your show for years. Still fascinating to listen to so many people who are so willfully obsessed with a twisted lump of insanity , and insist that they "Know" the truth. Thank You Matt and crew for your work.
Work in doing what exactly?
Ikr. It is crazy that so many people think that magic, superstition and woo woo is reality. It's like they just accept it without thinking about it.
Every time he’s pinned down, he says the same thing. “Well lemme ask you….”.😂
I come back to this clip periodically. Never gets old.
I have an original copy of multiple Spider-Man comics, but that doesn't mean he ever actually existed.
Spiderman does exist , I've seen actual footage of him on the tv.
Wait a minute, I've also seen footage of Jesus on my tv, perhaps there his something in this bible thing.
@@markwhitmore9326
No.
I've seen two jesus movies and they were different blokes.
Why is this comment underrated?😭
@@Rob-fc9wg To be fair, the Bible had an allegedly resurrected Jesus be completely unrecognized until he personally identified himself, and Peter Parker also had a variety of faces even in the original sacred texts, to say nothing of the various shows, movies, video games *(cough, cough, Insomniac's Spider-Man face controversy, cough, cough),* etc...
Caller is doing the Appeal to Authority fallacy.
And using the theist argument, "Well I am an asshole. Unless I follow God's morality. And I hate it when people point out how God is Immoral/Bad. Because he's supposed to be All Good."
To quote Jim Carey: "Your Honor. I Object! It's Devastating to my case!"
Stop clouding the issue with facts!
The best part, to me, is that whenever this argument is made, they are ultimately citing nothing but divine command or essentially, "might-makes-right". All they have is, "something is wrong or right because God says so." If that's the case, they don't care if the action in question results in harm, suffering, misery, joy, well-being, or anything else (as relative to our experience as conscious beings that can feel pain, suffer loss, die, etc). If they DO care about any of that, they refute their own argument that we atheists can't base our morality on anything. There is literally no basis for morality in their argument other than "God said so", and it doesn't matter why he (supposedly) said it. If someone's definition of morality has nothing to do with pain, suffering, thriving, well-being etc, then I don't give a shit about that definition.
They will of course always retreat to "well, God's morality is not arbitrary, because his nature is goodness, so he always defines morality based on that." But if that's the case then we *are* basing the definition of morality on whether an action causes harm, right? They can't have it both ways! Either this God bases morality on whether something causes harm, or his proclamations of morality are completely arbitrary. And we can tell what causes harm or doesn't. It can get complicated and difficult (we call those ethical or moral dilemmas), but there is at least a basis for evaluating actions, from our position. In fact, as the ones with "standing" (to use a legal term) in the question of human behavior (since such behaviors have effects upon us), we are better suited to evaluate human morality than an immortal all-powerful being would be.
@Bouregard Hipple I guess my questions here would be: How do you determine that he is perfect? What do you mean by perfect?
@Bouregard Hipple So you love and Trust God unconditionally and regardless of anything that anyone can tell you, that is dangerous!
@Bouregard Hipple How is that being a FATHER then? Father to who? And not simply a factor owner, or crop collector?
Watched this one a few times, still my favorite.... Love this program.
he broke his back in 5 places, prayed to god and 2 days later he walked out of there with no pain ... while getting pain medication ... seems legit
Must have also hit his head as well. 🤣
About as believable as every other apologist claim.
if prayer works so well,why not just stop in the church...no need for the hospital visit
Right!! Next time somebody's got massive gun shot wounds, rush them to the nearest church!! Not only will the victim die but, chances are, the church doors will be locked!!
Why does the popemobile have bullet proof glass? Why won't god protect him?? I guess the pope doesn't have faith in god!
Exactly. My Mom almost died recently (she is xian) and was in a hospital that was clearly run by catholics. Posters on the wall, prayers broadcast every day, etc. Funny how god uses so many doctors and nurses to perform his miracles.
@@joecoolioness6399 I will say that of all the things religious people do, I find them sponsoring legitimate medical care is the least offensive to me.
@@JoshuaWillis89 that’s religion for ya. Sad, no?
Why did his back break in the first place? Couldn’t the miracle have occurred just before the accident and the whole thing be avoided?
“It’s not magic: it’s divine”-🤣🤣
I found that hilarious too.
In other words: 'It IS magic, but I'm incapable of calling things what they are because that would force me to acknowledge the absurdity of my beliefs.'
Well yeah, magic takes points from intelligence while divine takes points from faith. Personally I'm a quality build with dex and strength.
Or maybe It's Maybelline?
This is why I try not to argue with theists, it's almost impossible to get past their programming to get through to them.
They try to convert others to their comforting delusion
A bit like trumpers....😂🤣😆🤑🤑🤑💩
The Bible is like a classic car -- after a while, so many pieces get replaced it's not the same thing anymore, but people treat it like it is.
easy. non of the theist beliefs stand up to scrutiny, period.
U did good, Greg. U get ur sandwich today.
@@9ko3 I want to offer some cookies, as well. 😄
God IS real and you will someday face Him and be judged for all your sins. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ for the saving of your soul.
@@56pjr You tell him to tell me. Wait, I'm female of our species. Tell him to tell you to tell me what will make me believe. 🤔
@Jesse Schoedel Dude believes; therefore, he suffers no such threat. Let the baby have his bottle and let us unbelievers enjoy the time have. 😄
How Anyone can defend slavery in the slightest way makes me sick.
IF you buy from fast food restaurants or buy items made by minimum wage workers, then you are defending slavery.
@@NeverTalkToCops1 You can complain about how minimum wage workers are being fucked by employers and how circumstances are shit, when they're only capable of getting such shit jobs, but calling it slavery is the most retarded take on it.
@@NeverTalkToCops1 No you are not. At best you can say that people who run businessess that abuse employees are immoral (not the customers) but they do not support slavery either. An abused employee still has rights, it's no one property, gets paid (even if underpaid), he has the choice to quit and he doesn't get beaten. For the sake of clarity, I have no interest in defending the pieces of shit that hire employees to exploit them into doing 10 hours of work for minimum wage but saying that it's slavery it's total bullshit, because it isn't. It's immoral but it's not slavery, nor a customer is to blame morally if someone at McDonald's has to work for 10 hours at minimum wage. It's like saying that the parents of a criminal are immoral because they gave birth to a criminal, we have to draw a line somewhere.
I attended church for about 30-35+ years & never ever heard anything about slavery in church or Bible study. Wonder why not?
@@NeverTalkToCops1 you’re full of crap! There HAS to be low-paying jobs that don’t need much training, because not everyone can go right into a well-paid job & start working. That isn’t slaver,y. Of course people need & want to make more money, but everything comes in time.
Just once, when they ask a theist what miracles he's witnessed, I want the caller to respond, "funny you should ask...
I was born with only one leg and one arm. At age 5 I was anointed with oils and prayed over during a tent revival that happened to have, in attendance, the crew from the James Randi Challenge. *After regrowing the missing limbs, I won the million dollars and was featured on the cover of Science magazine.....*
*HA! I HAD YOU FOR A MINUTE, DIDN'T I?!!?! I've got nothing....you guys have me dead to rights"* or something like that.... that would be my favourite clip, without a doubt!
😂🤣🤣
When I beat cancer, many told me that god healed me. I asked why he gave me the cancer to begin with.
Civilizations that recorded EVERYTHING have NO RECORDS of the Jesus character.
And his unproven resurrection proves that he was divine because I have a Nobel prize winning paper right here that proved the equation that every other resurrection wasn't of a divine person but Jesus' resurrection was. It's a complex equation. It includes some ignorance and wishful thinking and somewhere a miracle happened, but if you take enough drugs and stab your brain with a hot poke, it will all make perfect sense because god isn't a deceiver but a perfect communicator; you just have to get in the right mindset and if you're not stupid, drugs and a hot poke to the brain is very much recommended.
@Mith Sipatnu and their empire fell because of slavery.
@Dj Luminol yes, but history is written by the victors. The fact that they wrote everything down, doesn't mean that everything they wrote down was correct or the way things really went. Stuff they wrote down generally favors the Romans.
@Mith Sipatnu Especially when you consider that god could have solved the whole problem quicker and far more efficiently by just eliminating Pharaoh.
God is the existence of Love. And every accredited historical and archeological society confirms Jesus existence. It's the miracles that can't be proven. But his Jesus actions on earth were definitely beyond the average to become the most spoken of person in history.
For those in the UK, the argument about the originality of the Bible, is similar to the "Triggers Broom" statement?
" I've owned this broom for 40 years? Its had 14 new heads and 10 new handles"
And makes just as much sense!
That is a brilliant analogy.
The ship of Theseus
RIP trigger
Maybe Trig was jesus!
@@hellohandsome9875 colin ball
brilliant video... caller (paul) provides the perfect metaphor for matt's argument of "evidence vs. story telling." paul; "i broke my back in 5 places and walked out of the hospital 2 days later, after we prayed about it. ("the hospital/medical staff did nothing") matt; "we need evidence of this "miracle"... x-rays when you went into the hospital with a back "broken in 5 places", and x-rays of you leaving completely healed 2 days later...
I hear it was two days after ole Paul came out of the medically Induced coma the doctors arranged to aid recovery. It's just that he lost the three months it took for his spine to heal properly. 😊😷
It's wild to me how something that can seem like such a simple thing to understand can be so monumentally difficult for these people. I'm a former Christian that grew up in a church all my life and was a believer until I was in my 30's, but the moment I was presented with the mountain of evidence against God I started to accept the truth. I wonder why so many people have trouble letting go of fairy tales when they are so obviously proven to be such.
Because people don't want to be irrelevant. They want their existence to have meaning. They want to know that death is not the end for someone as important in the scheme of things as themselves. lots of people try desperately to justify why we are important beyond the human connection. It's why they made up gods. It's why they invent "objective" moral systems. None of it stands up to any kind of critical scrutiny though. It terrifies them to know that someday our species will be extinct, as species do, and no one or no thing will care.
You were never a true Christian
@@johnrain7308 that is such bullshit. You don't know anything about me or my life. I was involved in church my whole life. I was a counselor at church camp, in the praise and worship youth band, and I was going to go to school to be a youth pastor. I was all in on Christianity. But as I got older I started to ask questions that no one could answer in a satisfactory way, so I started looking other places for answers. Once I started to see how little of Christianity actually made sense, I became more of a theist or agnostic. Eventually I decided that until I'm presented with some kind of evidence, I have no real reason to believe (because faith in books written with second hand accounts decades after the actual events took place does not cut it for me). So instead of trying to attack me for apparently "pretending" to be a Christian since I was like 5 years old, maybe you should come up with some real, tangible evidence that God exists.
Once I had a discussion with a woman who insisted that a boy who had been badly attacked by a bear had been saved by “god”. To my furious protest, why then this god had not prevented this horrifying event in the first place, her answer was that god wants to have people make their own decisions and learn how to cautiously and consciously walk through their life. This boy had done nothing wrong at all. It was his father who had lost him in the woods. Theists have ALL explanations to everything. No matter what. But direct answers seem impossible. It is so tiring.
Omfg, how do people in 2020 still believe in fairytales and nonsense.
its mind boggling
THE BIBLE WAS MADE UP BY RICH KINGS AND QUEENS TO CONTROL PEOPLE . BLACK PEOPLE WERE ENSLAVED WITH THE BIBLE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY 💰💰💰 . ABRAHAM LINCOLN FREED THE BLACK PEOPLE WITH THE BIBLE TO GO NORTH AND WORK IN THE BEGINNING OF THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY 💰💰💰PEOPLE . WAKE UP AMERICA .
@@SpideySenses-gb9gi @Spisey Senses You are right -- when the bible refers to "Lord" as it does constantly, it is simply talking about the lords of the lands and not some celestial being. Thinking people have always known how to manipulate the masses.
Yep I stopped believing in these fake news.
Because they are afraid to face the cold truth and of course centuries of birth to death indoctrination
Paul is a mighty good contortionist because I've never seen someone bend over backwards this well for Christianity.
7:30 Matt: I'm going to shut up now and I'm not going to say another word
7:35 Matt: (takes over the conversation)
This guy is the kind of Paul who convinced the illiterate and credulous farmers 2000y ago!
Seems more like one of the farmers of 2000 years ago.
@@timsmith2028 Prove it!
We have thousands of original cartoons of Popeye and no discrepancies at all.
This is absolute proof that Popeye is the boyfriend of Olive Oyl.
🛑 😂😂🤣😂😂
watch your mouth i love popeye. he is my best friend yoh!!!!
@@jermainroberts361
I love Olive Oyl.
@@jermainroberts361 my bad u accept my apology I m slim like olive I can’t say nothing bout popeye
@@reginatemple1359
I'm glad to know.
If God wanted to communicate his wishes for mankind, why would he do so in a manner that was obscure, uncertain, vague, confusing, mysterious, ambiguous, inconsistent, self-contradictory, and subject to thousands of interpretations?
If I write down something, and over 300 years following my death, my work has been altered but no one alive knows about it. How would anyone possibly know what the original was?
That Christian made me feel like I have just been to the dentist..
If I broke my back in 5 places, I think I would stay out of those places :D
Very good!
lets see, vegitable oil factory, roller skate testing, limbo bar testing, fallacy testing: crack stepper, living crash test dummy...
Matt is a master of dismantling religious bumpkins.
I love the ‘No what wait’ moment that happens when reality doesn’t correlate with belief.
The sad part is they intellectually side with belief.
Can someone show this bloke where the exit for the roundabout he is stuck on is pls 🤦♂️😂
Leave him circling...😅
Coul someone trick that bloke to walk it off and "jesus" is at the end of the plank and is gona catch him her.... makes me Arrrr....
How arrogant to say God healed his broken back, especially when you consider all the starving children in Africa, they can go whistle apparently
Or the billions of Asian people burning in hell because they never heard of Jesus.
Every devout amputee is pretty pissed off I would think as well.
There are starving children on every continent, minus Antarctica
@@kissit012
There's no comparison you can make between the first world you live in and the 2nd and 3rd world that will ever make the povery equal or an excuse as to tell people not to bring starvation up in said worlds as an argument. All you'll succeed in doing is make yourself look like an Ass.
If there were a god that was real and even just half as good as you blindly lable your God, then non of the starvation and needless excess suffering of innocents would exist. Period.
We have millions of hungry children here in this country and around the world for that matter. The sooner we stop believing in this God nonsense the better off we will be.
This is one of my favorite matt videos
I had a broken hip for weeks while in boot camp, I ran MILES on it, hiked 7 miles to weapons company with my weapon and a full pack on. My hip was still broken months later no god involved, just stburnonness.
Paul walked out with a broken back because he was pumped full of painkillers, he probably still has back problems.
23:47 Just reinforces three things...
1: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
2: If you can't show it, you don't know it.
3: Any claim that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
The never ending stream of the same arguments is tedious. Week in week out. How do you maintain enthusiasm?
Why is it that I saw dozens of people in Pentacostal churches die of cancer even though whole towns were praying for them, but your God healed your back? If your God does heal, he's a jerk for healing your back but ignoring the cries of people with cancer.
you didn't pray hard enough? somebody prayed for your death, but tithed more? God is impotent?
Absolutely love this channel. You got a new sub 😎👍
i admire you guys. you have so much patience and kindness and selfcontrol when you hear fundamentalist christians. sadly i do not have those gifts from god.
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Me neither…. My hackles rise the instant I hear from religious nutcases pontificating on how they are correct and everyone else is wrong!!!
no one has any gifts from any god or goddess
I love how whenever Matt says he's gonna stop talking he talks more than before
24:02 LMAO "You have a back story..." LMAO LMAO. Did anyone else catch this unintentional pun?
George Carlin to audience: If there is a god, may he STRIKE me dead right now. See, I'm fine...wait, wait a minute, my balls hurt, and...I'm blind.
"In the 200's, the Second century..." No Paul that would be the Third century. I am starting to see a pattern.
That was bugging me too.
@@davidstorrs So many of these people seem to have very poor early-years maths skills. I guess that would compromise their subsequent science schooling and leave us with bitter addle-pates.
God is the existence of Love. Everyone believes Love exists.
@@damianedwards2327 What a ridiculous definition. Which kind of love?
I'm not sure you have the faintest clue what you are pasting.
I was wondering if Paul was indoctrinated or ignorant, but it turns out his indoctrination makes him ignornant. Oh wait, just got to the point where he said his back was broke in 5 places and 2 days later he walked out. Complete BS.
I am 47 almost 48 when I was 32 on Christmas Eve I broke my back in 3 places after 4 months and 3 surgery's I was still in so much pain I couldn't stand to this day I still have to take large amounts of pain meds just to function in the most minimum amount so Paul I can personally say I know is so full of shit that his eyes are floating
So, I believe Paul when he talks about his back. The clue here is when he says that the doctor did nothing but gave him pain relief. He probably has a ‘crumbling spine’ which causes spinal fractures and whilst this can be very painful and require surgery, often the treatment is pain relief and encouragement to keep moving whilst the fractures heal. It’s very common (more so in women who are more prone to osteoporosis) and his ability to walk out of hospital two days later is very definitely NOT a miracle.
@@kentonbaird1723 Churches that peddle this crap call them "stories," rather than testimonies.
You guys have way more patience than I do! I could not do what you do. Matt some people get on you about swearing too much that ain't nothing compared to what I would do. You guys have the patience of a saint.! Excuse the pun.
I had to unfollow someone recently on Facebook. She posted this novel on how she thanked god for saving her son who fell asleep at the wheel and crashed his car. She praised god for having the car hit the guardrail at just the right angle to deflect the car back onto the road instead of flipping it. Funny how the car was engineered by man to keep the occupants as safe as possible, with airbags and seat belts, how the guardrail was engineered by man so that a car hitting at an angle is absorbed and scrapes along instead of stopping the car, yet god saved her son. Why didn't he just prevent the boy from falling asleep to begin with? Wouldn't that have been easier?
According to " Paul's" explanation of written testimony , that would mean that the Koran must also be true , the Sanskrit writings of the Buddha must also be true and the writings of Joseph Smith must also be true ! Ridiculous !
Theism’s default position is special pleading. While theists seem to think they are beyond questioning.
Theism's Default Argument mode is "Fallacies ALL the Way!"
@Tonto Y Quiennosabe did you see the episode where the caller admits his cognitive dissonance but yet still wants to believe because it brings him comfort? It’s as if belief trumps the search for truth
Religious indoctrination turns claims into fact in the malleable minds of children who grow up to damage society ☹️
@@hegyak yep
@Tonto Y Quiennosabe haha
@Bouregard Hipple Do you even understand biology and the history of this planet?
Retired x-ray tech here. The term "broken back" commonly includes many different kinds of fractures. Those fractures can range from tiny hairline fractures all the way to crushed vertebral bodies with irreparable spinal cord damage. Many people are seen in ER for injuries that x-rays show to be fractures and are released with nothing more than light pain meds. I seriously doubt this caller had anything more than some relatively minor damage.
There were multiple Billy The Kids here in the US during the time of literal documentation of first hand reports in writing, but somehow the notion that maybe there was more than one person named "Joshua" walking around in that time is CRAZY for so many Christians to accept.