Why Won't God Fix Real Problems? | Paul - GA | The Atheist Experience 24.23
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I love when theists say "I get that," and then proceed to articulate how exactly they did NOT, in fact, get it....
I guess that's the pitfalls of religion right? It's when people are trained to give certain answers rather than actually critically think.
Matt truly beat Paul within an inch of his life on this call. But it's been more than two days, and Paul hasn't died of his wounds, so I'm gonna have to give Matt complete absolution for this.
LMFAOO 😂🤣
It was quite amazing to see someone who's a slave to someone else get so thoroughly owned by another :D
😊😅😮😮
This only applies cause he also owned Paul on it. If he hadn't it would been an eye for an eye.
No. Phil did all the work here.
An absurdly complex god being angry with a much less complex human is like me being angry at mold for growing on my block of cheese.
Oh mate that's a fuckin good one 😂
Hell! That makes me angry!
That mold is wilfully growing on the spots I touched. So Ima burn the cheese in a fire.
Actually an all powerful god could not even experience anger...anger arises from a feeling of helplessness and no control...I don't get angry when my power bill is due because it's easy to get rid of it..but I've been angry at my power bill.when I couldn't pay it.
It's worse. An analogy would be that you also created the mold and placed it on the cheese and gave it free will and ordered it to multiply. Then get angry for doing so..
I cringe every time a Christian try’s to explain why slavery was ok in biblical times but it’s not ok now.
You saw an increase in defense of slavery after Steven Crowder made a video about it.
@@taot7275 I know of a couple of liberal atheists whom I respect, and who assert that inequality of freedom was the only way that the very few people who used their leisure intelligently could discover the facts that make it possible for the far wider availability of leisure that the Industrial Revolution has provided.
But in what calls itself "the free world" there is still far too much "wage slavery" where your income depends upon doing what someone else tells you to do.
@@albertrogers2506 You call it wage slavery but the diffrence is. You dont have to accept it, you can negotiate for a better pay, you can do a good job and earn a raise, and who knows maybe even be the boss one day. The biblical slavery doesnt have any of those things.
The Bible is a collection of conflicting human writing.
Good luck with that.
@@JamesRichardWiley Camoflouged as the teachings of god to control and kill
The "no-belief in Thor" logic is something that Christians should be able to figure out by themselves, but...
But Jesus was real😂
The reason is the inability to get over their irrational & childish fears about the unknown & death even as adults ... brainwashed into them from childhood & continuously confirmed by elders, peers - other believers & controlled by charlatans (many probably atheists themselves) in the form of authority - like priests, church, holy book etc.
@Zissou Moonshot but the vast majority of christians don’t simply look around and say “hmmm, there’s so many christians that it must be true”.
It’s that they are born into families where god, jesus and church are just a way of life. Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday night services, Tuesday youth group, Thursday small bible studies in someone’s home, Saturday to the mall or movies with friends from church. People are literally surrounded by the culture and it is completely normal.
In my Texas neighborhood there are about 20 churches within walking distance from my house.
In my city alone there are at least 20 christian high schools. And a major christian university.
It’s not simply the argument from popularity, it’s the reality of every damn thing you ever see revolves around christianity.
Sometimes it’s only until you grow up and leave home... see the world.
Sometimes it’s folk’s entire lives.
@@kyaxara7321 At least with Thor you get cool movies (well, ok, Jesus Christ Superstar was fun too ... far fewer guys in spandex though)
Brainwashed theist logic:
I thoroughly believe that Spiderman is real and lives in New York. I don't have any evidence for it, but it's up to you non-believers that I am wrong. Now, come on Atheists... show me proof that Spiderman does not exist.
You have to admit that Paul was a lot more thoughtful than most callers. He's thinking things through and attempting to be honest with himself. He's not there yet but he is making the effort.
He's not where?
In my book, anyone asking questions is doing the right work.
*Sapient Wisdom:* Attention Christians- Atheists are not *insulting* your religion, they are merely *describing* it.
@Salnsd TROMP 2200!
They are only describing they're own opinion of the religion nothing more. Also they can't even validate they're own nonsensical view. NEXT!
@@thenothingkiller5341 they are only describing they are own opinion? hmmm.
Actually, I would insult religions, beliefs no, but religions are just money grubbing cons.
@Magical Chemical Daddy Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I'm dismissing your bullshit claim.
"I don't know" somehow blows people's minds.
"I don't know" is useful in ending an unpleasant conversation with a "saved" person.
Saved from what, reality?
They just can't bring themselves to accept it because saying "I don't know" would mean that maybe they might not spend an eternity in the glorious afterlife. After debating a ton of theists that's what it always boils down to.
@Mika Tuores Very true. They also cherry pick whatever scriptures that fit and turn a blind eye to all the bad things inside of whatever book they believe in. Most have never even read the books they believe in. I have found atheists to be more educated on religion than the religious.
@Mika Tuores Or very little, Tai hyvin vähän ..............
It's nice of Paul to allow woman to exist.
@Amy Xoxo No he's not. Paul already knows everything. A book told him so.
@FACE GALLON : And pray those mixed fibres away; they will send you straight to hell; or at the very least into the depths of fashion limbo. As a person of faith I can't tell you how long I have struggled with those mixed fibres.
@Ja L Actually imagine a claimed Jesus walking around and demanding: Love me or burn!
I think even the women would have beaten him up.
The truth of the matter is a woman allowed Paul to exist.
Well he does need a hole to fuck. He just needs how to figure out how to stop them having like...agency, or like...opinions. Does anyone know where Paul could find a blow-up doll?
I adore how this caller immediately tries to play dumb with Matt's question regarding to the equality/inequality of men and women. He knew what the answer would be if he wanted to follow his holy book and be reamed for it and chose the cowardly way out.
69 likes !
I like this caller. I feel like there is a rational being deep down, slowly emerging from decades of brainwashing.
At the very least, there is an honest discussion, he's a good listener, and he makes a good-faith attempt to struggle with a prejudice and inclination that he himself admits is deeply held and difficult to dislodge. And that is something should always be credited.
every time a theist says "right" on the AXP, they really mean "I am ignoring your answer"
It's so funny when someone like Paul starts out so sure that they are right, but then when they are asked questions that the obvious answer destroys their position, they start humming and hawing and trying to come up with excuses on the fly. Too funny!!!
Typical "average person", really doesn't like being wrong. Normal human behavior? I think so, you do see a lot of it. ;)
@@Graeme_Lastname I think it's REALLY hard for people to admit they are wrong, even when it's absolutely blatant. I've practiced making sure I openly admit in posts when I'm wrong and either thank the person that pointed it out or apologize to the person when I find out or figure it out after further reflection. I think it's a good way to keep one's humility up and ego down.
It is hard to be wrong, I do my best not to state things that are incorrect. If I state something that someone else demonstrates cannot be shown to be true, it sucks, but I am an adult and I suck it up and say, hey I can't prove it therefore I could be wrong. Theists are masters at side stepping when this happens to them. Or digging in. They cannot defend their belief because there is no defending something irrational.
The Abrahamic God promised to get rid of all wicked people.
Odin promised to get rid of the frost giants.
I don't see any frost giants, do you?
Dont worry, Christians going meet Odin at the Wallalah.
Has the final conflict occured?
@VideoAudioDisco09 And Odin's wife, Frigg, was much hornier than Mary. Gets my vote anyday.
well done Odin!
"Your god got nailed to a cross. My got has a hammer. Checkmate, Christians." 😁
Matt is making an effort to be kinder to the caller here, and it makes for a better listen. Thanks for that.
Everett Young . Yea, and you can’t change someone when you are being harsh. You have to be understanding.
Matt is past caring. He has submitted to the will of the almighty.
Everett Young i am having a hard time remembering a time when Matt was not kind to a caller that deserved kindness. when callers are rude or arrogant or refuse to listen, refuse to have a conversation and just want to talk, they deserve to be treated unkindly and no matter how you treat them, you are not going to change those people.
people that listen, and want to have a conversation deserve kindness and there is a chance for those people to realize what they believe or think is wrong. Matt reacts to the caller, i dont ever remember him just being harsh just because someone disagreed with him. and when he got harsh with the asshole callers, that was a great listen.
@@steveswangler6373 This. Matt has conversations with those who want to have conversations.
thats one of the reasons why I love Matt a lot and his style.
Thousands of deities and no trace of even one of them
@Magical Chemical Daddy DSOAS
I pray to the Four Winds, my god is the everlasting sky. We experience my god everyday.
Edit: Crom lives underneath him.
There is one that has a trace. He used his only begotten son. Jesus even though Jesus is widely excepted as existing by all honest scholars and theologians your dishonest selves refuse to except it and you believe that makes your own position true. Sounds like a personal problem. Maybe that is why you quite frequently like to attack the truth without any truths of your own?
@@thenothingkiller5341 Mohammed existed, does that prove he flew to Heaven on a winged horse? He was the final prophet of God? The Qur'an is the inerrant word of God?
Yeah really
Guy doesn't think cells replicating was reasonable, but will accept that an invisible magic guy made a man from dirt. Got it.
dont forget the talking snake
@@johnbarry5036 who had no vocal cords nor ears to hear the replies .........seems legit.
I think it's funny that atheist always make fun of theists for believing and invisible magical forces when invisible forces that we have no real comprehension of are holding your very atoms together right now
@@patrickoneill7070 yeah, but they don't have long beards or tell us not to eat shellfish. Why don't you guys believe in the force instead of a God people quit teasing you.
@@patrickoneill7070 seriously though, just because we still don't understand how some things work doesn't mean we should just sign off and say God must have done it and give up. We're better than that. We are the young American atheists, we'll figure it out.
I feel sorry for Paul , trying so hard to make sense of his indoctrination . Hopefully with
doubt comes wisdom
He is on a very good path. If you grow up with Mormons it is very difficult to become an atheist and the consequences are enormous. Most antitheists grew up with a belief and that wastes a lot of time in life.
I really like this Paul. He actually listened to the host and tried to explain his view clearly and politely. It's rare to see Theist like him.
If Thor was taught for 2000 years, we’d be saying there is no credible evidence for Jesus and Thor is the real god.
Thor supposedly kills Frost Giants. Jesus supposedly rid the world of sin. Which one did a better job?
I'll pray for you, Valhalla awaits!
Ryan O and lo the evidence sits before you. Praise Odin and his mighty son Thor!
@@kevinOneil6742 highly dependant on your understanding of sin.
i actualy think it would be something like : thor is a major god in the pantheon next to odin/loki etc... then there would be smaler gods like tyr, njord, hell, vishnu and jesus
Polytheistic pagans often accepted other gods
But we do have evidence for Thor, evertime a storm hits.
Caller Paul: " I would have to admit that there is a lot of ambiguity in the scriptures". Matt's mentally rolling his eyes followed by the actual rolling of his eyes is priceless LOL!!
They covered a lot of topics here with Paul, he was surprisingly fundamentally wrong about all of them. Huh.
excellent co-host, and I appreciated the calm, sober discourse on this call, from both sides
Same. I adore this co-host a lot.♥️
I discovered this channel last week and I feel grateful for the service that these people provide to humanity.
When it is forbidden to even consider your claim might be wrong or unwarranted, learning is impossible.
And a sure sign you are dealing with something or someone not being truthful. Imagine buying a car where someone claims it's perfect condition with 100 miles on it, but you can't see it before or after you buy it. That's religion.
This guy has never read his bible.
"That's the problem, read your Bible and free yourself." Matt Dillahunty
Most believers have never read the Bible. If they had, they would not believe the fairy tale.
That last caller convo really hit it on the nail in regards to the question, why are women Christian? To love something that beats you is nothing short of masochism. In normal circumstances
I guess a lifetime of temporal beating is better than an eternity of burning in hell. Indoctrination can be very difficult to overcome. Sad.
How about black people being overwhelmingly xian in the USA. That one boggles my mind. Your ancestors were slaves and the bible was used to defend that practice. Yet here you are jumping up and down in church praising jebus.
At least they had a candid and intelligent conversation.
Very rare indeed.
Yes but no matter what Matt or the other guy said he still refuses to budge and take on board what they say
There was nothing remotely intelligent about that conversation... except for the mention of "intelligent" design. You've set the bar far too low if you found that to be an intelligent dialogue... I'm fairly certain it's fundamentally impossible to have an intelligent two-sided conversation about religion because you can't justify the unjustifiable - which is exactly what an appeal to the supernatural is given its unfalsifiable nature: it is out of the scope of what can be explored or demonstrated by definition.
I always respect atheist. I’m a Christian but I understand where Matt is coming from
which is rare. On youtube, its rare to have a polite conversation with others, and them not to troll you, especially on comic book or political pages or science fiction things or christian websites. In public, if you talk about things like this ,people get offended , even people who over hear. they usually don't want to "deal" with it or hear it at all. you have to talk with people about religion and others, ALMOST NEVER IN PUBLIC PLACES which is sad. YOU might get lucky and be able to talk about it with somebody at Starbucks, but probably not. ATHEISTS IN SOCIETY I am finding, SURPRISINGLY...!.... are less tolerated than even Christians in society.
"Maybe I phrased that poorly" = "I said some stupid shit that revealed how little I actually know about the subject."
Phil's simple explanations are really useful
"Why Won't God Fix Real Problems?"
1) God is evil and malicious
2) God isn't all powerful which means they aren't a god
3) God doesn't exist
Pick your favorite.
God created the corona virus because he is a sadist.
2 or 3 seems to be the most likely.
@@DaFeanor20 That sort of falls into number 2, but yes I agree.
@@DaFeanor20 Wouldn't that make the malicious then?
@@DaFeanor20 Ah, I see what you mean.
2:24 Matt explains the default position.Paul replies " I get that" Then spends the rest of the time showing he obviously doesn't.
Yup, they never listen. When someone else is talking they just sit there and wait for their turn to talk.
Paul didn't get anything from that conversation
He was nice and good at having a polite conversations, happily answered questions and didn’t interrupt or harp on too much. But turned out to be logic proof the further things went.
It's nice when they have an actual conversation.
"Are you a Christian or not a Christian?"
"I am." Holy damn, God is calling himself!
Matt: How much of a Christian are you?
Caller: Yes.
Are you right-handed or left-handed? The inclusive "or" makes the answer Yes no matter which he is.
Glad to see how many people seemed to have got that joke.
I think this is one of the better episodes and this is due in large part to Matt letting the hyper rational Phil talk, and Matt himself was especially cogent and amiable. And Matt's intelligence is fierce. Well done, guys.
Georgia just keeps on giving...
Love Matt's reasoning with water. I had never thought of that but it's powerful
I like Phil's style: he seems a good communicator, a great addition to the team of hosts (since I haven't seen him before, I believe). 👍
Hes got a podcast. About Money and religion. And maybe politics.
Christian:” oh Thor that’s silly, but Jesus he existed alright”.
Thor couldn’t walk on water lol or be resurrected. He’s more possible than Jesus was lol.
This is my favorite theist caller ever. Rational and soooo close to breaking through to the other side.
lol "it's unclear to me what the role of satan is" - satans role is to scare the pants off you. jeez. these people are so gullible, i want their bank details.
I'll give you mine, my pin in 000.
The boogie man is an effective deterrent of undesirable behavior.
@@ericscaillet2232 Or 8176 .................
@harry nicholas or be even slightly more precise to scare the money and obedience out of you and any free though away.
Satan is god's evil twin. But in his defense, Satan doesn't lie as much as god.
Backflips and cartwheels for jesus
The imaginary Jesus must win every time.
Or else.
Cartwheels for Jeebus will now be my band name.
Mental gymnastics, tap dancing, bending over backwards for Jesus. I would die for a day and half too only if I had the evidence I was going to be raised and go to heaven but since y’all fuckers has no evidence whatsoever none nada, Stay the fuck away from me with your bullshit. Faith is a belief not evidence.
Jesus was an amazing trapeze artist.
@@jaydenrock Jesus also invented French fries and the internet. Most people don't know that. But I read it in a book. That means it's true.
Aaaahhh! Phil!!! Welcome back!! The atheist experience needs you! :) So good to hear from you.
at minute 5:00 or so . . . About 35 years ago, while trekking in the Southernmost reaches of Argentina, I asked our biologist/guide how one could believe in the apparently giant leaps in evolution. His answer stays with me even today. "None of us can come close to imagining the vast streches of time during which speciation occured."
God has goals he is attempting to accomplish but it isn't easy for an omniscient, omnipotent, being to get things done.
better to pray to Joe Pesci then
Brilliant!
Yawn, same old argument, "I don't know so therefore god". It's the only argument every religious person has.
Way too much inference. Have you asked every religious person on the planet? Nope so sit down. NEXT!
Yup
Sorry to be nitpicky but your claim that this is the only argument is way off. They do produce a pretty wide range of other equally fallacious arguments.
I hate that atheists seem think ALL religions are the same when that couldn't be further from the truth. That isn't the only argument at all, only one of many.
@@thenothingkiller5341 more nothing from the nothing killer. Is that ironic or hypocritical?
You can’t imagine a cell popping out nothing, but you can imagine a man created out of dust.
@Ken North What an awful waste of space!
"Yes, but... yes, but... yes, but..." etc etc etc
Phil and Matt work so well together... great hosts -it’s as if Phil gives a sense of calmness to Matt, and they’re able to complement one another; kinda like Don Baker, although I see Don adding a bit more comedic relief and axiomatically levity.
@Eduardo
Matt & Phil ........
Yin & Yang .........
dick & balls ........
Agreed on both counts, have recently came back to AXP and phil is growing on me lol. I loved ole Don Baker, he was such a trip lol
Surely if the holy books were written/inspired by a deity, they wouldn’t need interpreting?
They wouldn’t be open to so many different interpretations, the messages would be clear and obvious to all.
John Wood
“Mysterious ways” just sounds like a get out clause to me. I find all gods to be made up stories, to comfort and control.
We must refer to 'scholars' for 'true' meaning. 😉
@John Wood Someone sick gets well: Got is all loving.
Someone sick dies:. God works in mysterious ways.
Simple! 😉
Budd2nd The bible is clear and understandable to all who want to understand...
service asap
If the bible really was a holy book, it would be clear and understandable to EVERYBODY, whether we wanted to understand or not.
As God’s supposed to “care” about us, he should be here to clear up all the misunderstandings about what he wants. Then there wouldn’t be hundreds of different denominations of Christianity, all arguing about the interpretations of the same book 📚 (bible).
So well said. I’ve had quite a few conversations trying to explain to theists that what I mean when I say I’m atheist is this; I accept that there is a mystery to our existence but I don’t know the answer to that mystery and I don’t need to know how to live a life of happiness and gratitude. I take full responsibility for my life my actions and my destiny. So I don’t know and I’m OK with that. pretty simple. Thanks so much for the great contact guys and gals behind the scenes
I love it when the caller actually answer their own questions without realizing they are doing that until they are pointed towards that thought! At least that means they are just not really bright as opposed to being openly dishonest...
But he believes some magical being just popped out of nowhere
Whats funny is the number of contradictions and stupid stories found in Sacred Scripture written by a Supreme Being who remains in the closet.
@FACE GALLON Are you saying Tom Cruise doesn't exist?
"some magical being just popped out of nowhere" That is the nature of magical beings. Why would it be anything else?
@FACE GALLON "then most people today." That's the easy part. The hard part is showing any properties of "God".
The magical being did not pop out of nowhere, he was always there.
We're talking 4.3 billion years, that's a long time for things to evolve from, it's hard to grasp but it makes sense when you think about the time size we are talking about...
Christians are happy to imagine an infinitely big/powerful/loving god, but they say they can't believe in "big" (deep) time. Why not?
@@lil-al They're dummies!
As Dawkins points out the human brain is not really well practiced in assimilating these kind of huge spans of time or distance
It's so sweet seeing Matt's adorable patient face in this one.
Jesus is very real, I saw him at the General Dollar store yesterday and he told me he was jesus and that he is also Jimi Hendrix.
I appreciate this caller. I like the discussions held with honest people.
This must be soooooo hard for Matt, here is a man who has had conversations with Harris, Krauss, Dennehy....and then comes back to his radio show and listen to people that don't have a rudimentary understanding of a water molecule
This was a very good conversation... not to be destructive, not to have fun of, just good intelligent talk despite different beliefs.
Whoa! Paul's dishonesty appears IMMEDIATELY after being talked through the discussion about Satan and his decision to exercise "free will" to oppose God, despite supposedly knowing better than anyone of God's existence lol doesn't it?!
I absolutely LOVE cornering Christians with that little thought experiment, they walk BLINDLY into a wall every time and it's just glorious! 🤣
I think thats one of Matts few weak points. And Im kinda surprised that no caller has pointed out...just cuz angels could do it...wouldnt mean humans could.
@@brucebaker810 Is angelic free will "more free" than what humans have?
@@jonr9467 Are the Infanta's eyes bluer than the Sacred Stone of Galveston? Or t'other way around?
Have you seen either? If one, hast seen both?
In the klarn... Is there more foozle than dwuzzle?
I am not convinced either way on humans having free will. I tend toward.
But angels at all? And, if angels, how free willed would THEY be?
1. Sufficient evidence angels "exist" in a "connected to reality" sort of way.
2. Demonstration of your angel freewilloscope
3...
@@jonr9467 Hi Jon. Sorry, my other answer was snarky. You were in line with OP. Here's my serios reply.
First, this is all "well, wthin the story...". Yes. One might ascribe more ability or defense for a soldier in the Heavenly Host than that of a human.
But also that they are evaluating a known scenario. No faith required. Certainty that the powerful figure exists.
I love how these callers basically end up arguing with their own positions, and then backpedal, and then do it again...and they're so blissfully unaware they're even doing it xD
Thanks Matt and Phil for all your work that you do.
What work? Starting pointless arguments. Yeah great work guys. NEXT!
@darth geekboy nope how can anyone argue what can't be proven at all ever or at least not by any human. If the inference was kept out and the premise was actually true then yes I would understand it but then it would be logical and I already know that isn't possible with an atheist. For the simple fact they already claim what they can't prove and that is not logical to begin with. So in a way I do understand it however I don't except it as a true and valid argument. NEXT!
@darth geekboy your ad hominem attacks serve nothing with me son. You may want to get some practice before you get on my court. I will own you every time you even try to think about debating me. So go read a book you can understand and maybe learn something real this time. You are not smarter than God or the Holy spirit so if I were you I would back away quickly before your fate ends up like the rest whom go up against me. I give God the credit though nothing is possible without Him. Jesus is the truth.
@Jonny Sevent the premise must be validated even if a reference. If you can't prove the premise than there is no argument to be had. Check your logic at the door and bounce outta here on that ball of crap you trying to play with son. NEXT!
@Jonny Sevent you do realize the difference between a strong, and weak argument right? If not look it up, and get back to me. I know what I'm talking about, do you?
"These explanations are beyond my understanding of reality, so I can not judge whether they are true or not and therefore I am not convinced by them."
I can accept this claim, it is sincere and direct.
Even if it's not really an excuse
"water is just two hydrogen atoms connected to an oxygen atom, correct?"
"That's... Uh... My best understanding of it yeah"
Oh dear lord he's screwed.
One of the most...hmmm...perplexing...things I find when talking to a theist is that they will present a million arguments for their deity. They will point out all the normal apologetic's, and point to their holy book. They will then claim victory when you say "I'm not convinced". In their mind, it's "You can't disprove me, therefore I'm correct". But...and here is the perplexing part; you can tell them that a different monotheistic religion just used the more or less exact arguments....they point to the same apologetic's, they point to holy scriptures, they point to all the things the first monotheist did. ... ... And you can almost hear the gears of panic go into overdrive for a few seconds before they just blurt out the ol' stand by of "Well, I know what I experienced and I have faith I'm right". ... ... and they are right back to their original "I'm right, and you can't prove otherwise".
Plum Fun Well said! Your logic is my most convincing reason for atheism. Thesis rely on feeling too much, and not enough on thinking.
Nope the tie breaker for all religion in comparison to Christianity is Jesus. Not matched anywhere ever. NEXT!
TheNothingKiller So say all religions about their founder/leader.
@TickerTaallick The problem is, as I've encountered, they point to The Bible (or whatever holy book(s) they follow) as "poof". It's circular reasoning. "Jesus is real because he's mentioned in this book. This book is real because Jesus is mentioned in it". Hence, why they eventually end up at the same place they started "My experience...faith I'm right".
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That said...it IS rather fun watching their blank stares as they jump through as many mental gymnastics as they can to think of something, ANYTHING, other than "Well, it's what I believe"...because at that point they are basically saying "Ok, you're right...but I still believe"...just without the first part. ;)
@@thenothingkiller5341 As Guy Gardin below says...all religions have their "Jesus". It's kind of important for the connection between the natural and the supernatural. In fact, many of the Christian 'stories' in the bible are strikingly similar to stories found in earlier religions. It's almost like the people that wrote the bible were drawing on other stories to create their own. Huh...
;)
Fellow people, lets stop engaging with the trolls:
Chris Massey/King Solomon NeverEnding Party/MindCreatedAll
Barthelemy
[X] Has A God
Ray Salmon
and all the other dishonest trolls that cannot be reasoned with. Replying to them is what they want, lets not give them that pleasure. Just downvote their nonsense to get their comments down at the end, report the hell out of them, and make this place less appealing to those nuisances.
Well i would rather argue my point rather than censor people, I know there are some bat shit crazy out there, however let them bring it on, this is not a contact body sport.
You missed Magical Chemical Daddy
I Agree, I used to get myself upset, but now......dimad hatter is correct that's what they want for us to get upset, and red in the face with disbelief, that is "victory" to the trolls. Just click the Thumbs Down and move on. But yes, if one of them is abusive, by all means REPORT, just don't REPLY
Relax, we're all trolls; it's the internet. You either troll them back, or ignore; there is no other option. Blocking, reporting, or extorting others to join in censoring opposition is lame.
But they provide my daily dose of comedy!
Has Matt been taking anger management classes?
Best episode ever. Or at least one of them. Good job guys.
Phil is very rational! He is great at acknowledging the other person's perspective and then challenging the individual to question and re-evaluate their own beliefs for better clarification or confirmation!
Theism is morally and epistemologically bankrupt.
Every single time it is demonstrated.
Totally.
A plosky Wow such a big word I'll bet auto correct gave you a fit when you tried to copy it from your scribblings...
@@asap9224 How do you edit an insult and still miss a word?! You must be a theist.
service asap lol, such a snarky comment. I bet you got refused from every university you applied to and now hate everything vaguely complicated?
@@benwil6048 Did your free thinking mind come up with that comment or did you plagiarize it...
It does not fit in my fantasy, therefore god! I have the impression we as human beings are easy in believing things...both persons are helping us out of this mystic swamp..thank you Phil and Matt!
I had to buy in your shop, finally. Thanks for all you do, a fan from Germany.
Ironic that Paul was calling from Georgia. It reminded me of a line from Beverly Hillbillies where Granny remarks of "Sherman's Retreat to the Sea"! Paul there did a 20 minute RETREAT to extricate himself from the logic of Phil and Matt. He kept retreating and retreating and retreating, until 'he done fell into the Atlantic Ocean'!
Dear Matt, please use the argument, “Please show me that what you believe is any different than a con job.”
"Maybe if people had better schooling on these subjects, these kinds of things wouldn't feel like such an ungraspable mystery to people."
This was very important. Without good education, the default becomes "well i kinda feel like this so that's probably the truth about the entire world"
Problem is they keep trying to stick religion back into our education system. So education is important but only if they teach things that can be demonstrated to be true.
6:30 A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court.
Mark Twain
There is a similar story about a Polish guy cast back to before the Hun invasion. Spoiler alert the Huns were defeated...
Sometimes i wonder what God obtains from faith that he can't obtain from intelligence. Why does he seem to manifest only to the gullible, ignorant & self-deluded more than to people who seek to know & experience him using the tools of intellect. For an acclaimed intelligent being, he seems to have a strong aversion to intelligence.
The con-men who 'created' Gods knew that there are far more number of gullible & ignorant people than intelligent ones, which is why they require 'faith' = gullibility & credulity dressed up as a virtue. As Mark Twain put it : "The Gods offer no rewards for intellect. There was never one yet that showed any interest in it."
He just makes it up as he goes. He's scared of the dark and wants his mommy. A form of slavery? I don't understand. There are forms?
Paul’s wife must be happy to have him 😧
Well I know he don't care if she's a prostitute. 😂
That god ALWAYS NEEDS MONEY ................
That’s why the pastor needs to drive a Mercedes😂
@Donald Nadeau Because your creator CAN NOT create, ..... WITHOUT MONEY .............
"Created" doesn't really tell you anything. Created how? "Not created" tells you as much.
Maybe he created us for his lunch or dinner.
Ah yes, the alien that came "To Serve Man".
Again, the mental gymnastics Christians go through to continue to think the Bible is perfect in all respects... its amazing and trying to listen to.
One of the better episodes, debates and exchanges!!
What a great caller. I wish all theists were just as reasonable. You can actually see how he gets where his mind is. It's no different than people of thousands of years ago looking around and wondering how the hell this all got here. Thanks Paul!
Satan is one of the few dudes that actually met god and it looks like he wasn't overly impressed.
We have just witnessed a “believer “ being reborn in truth and I’m sure his life thoughts will be different from here on out.
"If god revealed himself it would be coersive belief"
No. If there was proof that any god existed then religion would no longer be based on belief, nor would it be reliant on belief, it would simply be knowledge.
why cause u would believe in him if he showed up ....thats not faith kid ....if u knew anything of the bible he said in his last speech on earth he said i go away and the world will see me no more god doesnt lie .....if he showed up he would have told a lie .....pay attention
@@ferrelldog6749 God doesn't lie? God doesn't exist.
@@bennybooboo6789 give me a example of evolution or show me something that comes from nothing everything has a creator even your dumb a++
@@ferrelldog6749 look in the mirror. There's your proof. You.
@@bennybooboo6789 like I said nothing believes in nothing
If this universe have been designed, I'm pretty sure it would have been designed a hell of a lot better than it is.
If you wanted to hear a succinct call on a call-in show that boils down a convoluted give-and-take to the bare bones of the argument , this is the video to watch.
God: Human suffering is wonderful. How long before they destroy themselves?
Adherence, to the letter, of the commandments will end personal suffering and sorrow.
@@mysticwine I tried but I kept coveting my neighbors ass. Show me one person who has not had suffering or sorrow in their life. Come on. Everyone has it. Everyone loses loved ones. No adherence to some ancient ignorant set of rules is going to change that.
I thank the god I don't believe in that I wasn't raised in Georgia. :-)
We don't know how the first living cell came to exist.
Therefore the Bible is all true !
Logic.
Actually even if there is a God at least as smart as Baruch/Benedict Spinoza's, the Bible's Book of Genesis and the rest are as false to Him as Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason" -- written in defence of 'the True God' -- says it is.
@@albertrogers2506
Interestingly, I have a book by Spinoza.
It has a list of proofs that a god exists. They are not very convincing.
E.G. if something doesn't exist, there must be something stopping it existing.
But a god is so powerful that nothing could stop it existing, therefore it must exist !
@@tedgrant2 Thank you. That's better than most of the reasons given! It is sufficient for me to respect Baruch Spinoza to know that he parted from Judaism because he told his fellow-congregants that God would NOT suspend His own laws and grant "miracles". I think he just didn't tell that to the Protestant Christians he joined as Benedict.
@@albertrogers2506
You have been doing your homework !
Well done.
21:37 Cooperation is so much better than obedience
If I saw an ant hill sacrificing ants to me would definitely change the way I think. It would be totally mind blowing. I can't get Phil's picture out of my mind. Am I a monster?
I am absolutely sick and tired of hearing this utter bollocks about "intelligently designed this" or "fined tuned that".
Aron Ra has a superb talk all about how life can and did, come from non life. It has been demonstrated in science time and again and so just doing the maths of how many planets and stars and how vast the universe is, why is it so totally unbelievable that just occasionally, life can evolve after abiogenesis?
Massively rare I grant you, but quite obviously NOT impossible.
. Exhibit A. Earth.
And as for "intelligent". Or " tuned".
99.7 percent of everything ever is now EXTINCT. Genius success rate there.
We can live on ONLY this one planet out of billions we know exist and very little of that one we can live on easily.
What tiny proportion we CAN survive on, we then have poisonous plants, snakes, spiders etc, dreadful diseases, like Covid 19 for example, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, volcanoes and after all that, other humans, religious usually, wanting to fly us into buildings or blow us up at a concert. Or on a bus or train.
If that's "fined tuned" for us, I'd hate to see what the alternative is.
Jesus H Christ!!
Intelligently designed birth defects.
Fine tuned covid-19 virus
God is looking out for you.
@@JamesRichardWiley Oh yes, isn't he just!!
@@kevinOneil6742 "Yee shall see" what exactly?
A church. An intelligently designed church. That's all you'll see. Lol.
@@kevinOneil6742 Phew!!
Glad to hear it.
Had quite enough god bothering nut jobs recently to debunk. Lol. Glad u r a rational and sensible person. Cheers.
@@kevinOneil6742 Amen.. oh sorry. Lol
Phil has an excellent mind and should be on more.
Because he isnt... real?
@Magical Chemical Daddy what even is this sentence
Prove he isn't real. That is the problem with Atheism you can't prove the claim you make. NEXT!
@@thenothingkiller5341 I don't have to prove god exists, I can believe that he isn't real without evidence because I don't have that evidence. I actively believe he isn't real because I haven't seen anything people call a god that is 1.) real and 2.) verifiable and 3.) worth worshipping.
@Magical Chemical Daddy I'm not evidence of anything more than my parents having sex dipshit
@@orsonzedd ???????? ........
Hi 👋 Matt and Phil,thanks for your video 📹 😊. It's really good to witness your patience with your guests. These people are struggling 😪 with cognitive dissonance and you both clearly understand that. You appear to have compassion that is born out of your own bitter and difficult experience with indoctrination. Thanks 😊 again.
I like this. A lot of people seem to think, when they hear the word “atheist”, that I’m some devil worshipper or crazy evil person. I’m not, obviously, and no one is “put off” by me until they hear I’m an “atheist”. It’s like that’s a dirty word & makes me a dirty person, do you know what I mean? I guess I need to find atheist people to associate with, which is difficult for an older female I think. The older people get, the MORE likely they are to be “Christians”, I find. Anyway, you guys make my life easier, even if you’re my only atheist “friends”.😊
"I guess I need to find atheist people to associate with" Yes. The moment being an atheist is a thing to BE, and not merely a thing NOT to be, you can find others that think exactly the same ways about pretty much everything. Join the Seattle Atheist Church (really, google it).
Evilgelicals are the truly evil individuals