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- The Atheist Experience 26.46 for November 13, 2022 with Forrest Valkai and Jim Barrows
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This dude actually admitted God is bad and he follow him because he's afraid, many Christians won't admit that, I would give him a plus for that
Can I make you responsible for what other atheists believe? A misguided boy hardly represents all of Christianity. Only ignorance can explain why you think he's that authority. In fact, these 2 adults are abusing this kid.
@@MrMarco855 How are these people abusing him? Are they abusing him by challenging his opinions? The echo chamber Theists put themselves in is so crazy, that differing opinions count as abuse.
@@MrMarco855 They are talking, and i don´t think he is a kid (i really don´t remember he telling anyone about his age). And yes he is actually a representative of the Bible, because Cristians forgot some things in the Bible, do you don´t remember about Jesus saying that Hell exists and the flame don´t vanish for eternity ? Cristians invented the new Hell because that Hell is unfair, so Hell is now separation from God, but they all forgot that Jesus could easily said that, but he said Hell is flame and worms...
And off course, we don´t know what Jesus said too, but is written in the Bible.
@@GringoBrasileiro2022 They're abusing him because he's a kid and they're adults. They know that he's wrong but they're taking advantage of someone who sounds confused. Any atheist who claims we only believe out of fear is a liar, they know that's not the truth. Challenging the opinion of someone who sounds mentally deficient is a cowardly act.
@@laurencelamaison4070 You can tell he's a kid and isn't too sharp. No single person represents the Bible any more than any single atheist represents atheism. Do you believe all things the same as all other atheists? If you think they proved anything you're wrong. Nobody cares why they choose to doubt so maybe they shouldn't worry about theists either.
Amanuel is like a battered wife telling the cops that her abusive husband did nothing wrong.
Yeah, he beats her because he loves her.
"Love me unconditionally, if I do something bad to you it's because I 'move in mysterious ways', if you DON'T love me 100% I will make sure you're tortured for as long as you can sense it. And I need your money too. You WILL be in fear of me."
If that happened in ANY relationship, it's an abusive relationship. Some people are patsies and keep returning for more abuse. I'll never understand why they do that. This Christian literally says at 13:02 he FEARS the god he believes in. FEAR. He feels fear in the relationship, and he's defending the abuser that he admits he fears.
@@ShawnGBR It is cognitive dissonance. They cannot allow themselves to criticize their abuser for fear of further reprisals. So they can believe what their God does is all good, but if any other entity, that did the exact same behavior, is evil.
Exactly, right on! And why are we trying to be abused by an imaginary God, when there’s plenty of real abuse going around that we need to fight. I’m so grateful there are reasonable atheists out there trying to help people.
Yeap, it's a perfect example of a toxic and abusive relationship plus Stockholm syndrome. The scary part is that in the case of similar scenario with human relationships we can help victims of violence by providing psychological treatment. But in cases like Amanuel's one it just a religion... So sad...😞
Forrest: “so the entire religion is, please don’t hurt me, I’ll do whatever you say.”
That is a startling assessment, and I’ve never heard it put quite that way before. Well done, sir.
That's exactly what it is and why most religious people are abusive and narcissistic
"Atheism is like a television not having an off channel". -Forest Valkai
@@jameshicks7125
No, it goes like this:
Atheism is a religion like the off switch is a TV channel.
It's startlingly dishonest. They're talking to a boy, he's confused, much like yourself.
@@MrMarco855 Are you saying that I'm confused? If so, what about?
FEAR keeps religion alive no matter how crazy it is.
Fear GOD and give him glory fear the good way not fear the bad way. The teaching of eternal torment is not even true this means eternal death
@@GODiscomingsoonagain So, you want us to give glory to something that says it's ok to own another human as a slave? You want us to give glory to something that says it's ok for a rapist to marry his victim? You want us to give glory to something to says it's ok to murder a virgin woman if she doesn't bleed on her wedding night? YES! As a matter of fact all of these things are in the bible, and NOT taken out of context.
@@GODiscomingsoonagain "Fear the good way..." A sadomasochist cult
Some religions keep alive because they have great music and good parties and good food. Festivals and dancing are fun. Not all religions are based on fear. Some focus on the food and songs.
@@tariqepstein8989 for food and music then it is a false religion. The focus must be on JESUS. To Bring more people to JESUS
Every Christian needs to hear this. So many are afraid to abandon their beliefs out of fear of eternal torment. I used to be there as well. This show has really helped me THINK
Without the punishment/reward system of the supposed afterlife, religion has no value.
Meanwhile they can't even prove there's an afterlife.
That kindergarden/creche where the abusive women put on horror masks and scared children to be 'good', the entire world knew they were abusive women who should not be allowed to care for children.
The Christain defined God is worse! He should be immediately removed from all believers minds.
Thinking objectively and asking questions and demanding answers is the only way you can break free of the indoctrination and the nonsense. When you realize that they just answer your questions with more questions and the further along we get with technology that can explain all the things that they used to try to explain with the Bible they just move the goal post. The question is why does anyone need it in their lives? And while we're indoctrinating children and telling them lies about even the simple things like the beginnings of our universe and evolution. Even the 5-year-old wouldn't believe in the Noah's Ark story but it's still taught to this day. Embarrassing
@@ubeuonly Just came from a vid where the Christains believed their God parted the red sea! It is embarrassing to listen to. They are beneath the reasoning mind of a 6yo.
@@kimsland999 one of the best retorts I saw in one of the easiest memes was that if you want people to respect your beliefs then you need to have some respectable beliefs. Not silly stories handed down from ancient people that didn't know where the sun went at night
Holy shit, this poor man. I literally got tears in my eyes from hearing how this fear got to him and how intimidated and scared he is because of all the indoctrination he has gone through.
I know, right? Literally, at the very end or near the end, he's just so scared of even saying something blasphemous, but fully admits that in a hypothetical situation where he is untouchable, he would openly call an evil being evil.
Many false church outiside there teaching false things. There is not eternel torment GOD will never do such a thing it is clear in the bible that will be a second death after judgement not torment. This is Eternal death but not torment
@@GODiscomingsoonagain eternal death no torment?
so theres no heaven or hell?
then why worship evil god.
just heard news about a child being raped and tortured and killed.
i dont know how can ur god do this to a helpless innocent child
@@GODiscomingsoonagain "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
"They will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
"and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
"If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out."
"They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire'"
"If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell."
"whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell"
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
"Have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire."
@@anandsuralkar2947 hell is similar to eternal death send you to hell means you will die. Some christians are brainwashed and tell that GOD Punish people in hell forever like you will not die but keep suffer this is not corect. Lots of pain in this world this is wat sin bring to us trough satan did you know that there is demonic spirits in many people that hurt each other? This is not from GOD all this things we see must teach us and bring us to JESUS because the day will come that HE will put a end on sin satan and his followers and sin will never come back
Man... this is truly sad. It's like a parent convincing their kid that there's a monster under their bed, scaring and traumatizing the kid, in order to control them and make them behave. Poor guy...
Fully agree, except he's an adult!
A loving parent will inform the scared child: There are no monsters go to sleep.
Clearly his parents didn't do that. That's horrible.
When we're children and our parents say we have to be in before dark, are they scaring and traumatizing us as well?
@@MrMarco855 To quote a line I read elsewhere: _you're not ready for lecturering you're ready for nursery level instruction_
Theists believing in monster defined Gods and supernatural evil wicked witches etc etc. can only be provided _nursery level instruction_ until they are able to reason better. ;)
@@MrMarco855
No, because there is actual danger for young people out at night.
False equivalence fallacy.
@@MrMarco855 No, they are setting a curfew based on an easily to understand and tangible time event.
This guy hasn’t thought about his beliefs for a second. He says something and then immediately realizes what it sounds like and says no.
Exactly-one minute he says God cares about them and then in 5 minutes after a question he can’t answer he says “why should God care about you?”
Seriously
Most people don't think about their beliefs and when they do they ask their local pastor who just tells them to have faith and pray... I grew up in a religious family but had question about it early... The more I asked the more I was told to pray to god... so instead I started to read the bible front to back.... after that.. I became agnostic and started to look into other religions.. and that just made me full on atheist
@@obiwanshinobi87 That’s what happened to me--the Bible is usually the main ingredient that exposes God for what he is: a magic phantom that doesn’t exist.
I don’t believe in god but if there was ever an argument for us being made in his image this is it. If god is ok to do whatever he likes to individuals that are sentient and self aware because he can or he considers them lesser beings then it explains exactly why we do it.
1 point to god’s existence I guess 🤔
He literally did the "blink twice if you need help" thing.
We were made in gods image yet none of us can turn invisible.
You will be after you die right?
Humans were made in God's image while God 1.0 was functional. Various sources indicate that occurred between 4,000 BCE and 1,700 BCE. Since then God has undergone many upgrades including a whole new user friendly interface. The invisibility ability was not fully operational until the introduction of the Supernatural Module in the 5th century CE. As yet the module has not been migrated to humans.
@@sigmaoctantis1892
Clippy is God. Didn’t see that coming.
@@voiceofchrist8290 nope. My corpse will be visible for anyone that wants to gawk at it.
I intend to have my corpse stuffed and passed down to future generations. Maybe I’ll even have a marionette setup. Put a quarter in and watch my corpse dance.
@@voiceofchrist8290 do you think corpses are invisible?
This is what an abusive husband says to his wife, "Love me and respect me or I'll hurt and kill you."
Exactly What my father tried to do to my mom in 1980
Yep. "Stay with me or I'll hunt you down, turn all your friends and family against you and make the rest of your life a living hell".
Been there. 🤨
Never heard that fake analogy
@@timsmith530
Arent you lucky. Hope it never happens to someone you care about.
@@timsmith530 Nothing fake about it
Forrest's sensitivity towards the caller's fear of blasphemy was so goddamn heartwarming. That man was terrified, and I hope Forrest's compassion can show him there is a world outside of coercion and abuse
@ Don't pretend you care about anyone, it's so non-atheist of you.
I feel bad for this poor abused adult child. He’s not a bad person like most of his religion, he’s just been taken advantage of…
That means response to questioning God and the fear he had of God just goes to show that the churches have too much power and they need to be regulated
I don't think his elevator goes all the way to the top.
@@oldschoolman1444 that’s not really a fair assumption man, the point of fear is exactly why religion as such is so harmful, nothing wrong with believing whatever fantasy you want(if it doesn’t hurt anyone) but clearly with religion it very much so does and has.
Brainwashed and delusional
@@oldschoolman1444 yes, cause hes been abused. Hes likely completely rational & critical in anything else.
This almost feels like they're talking to someone who's in a hostage situation. He doesn't want to say anything out of fear of punishment even though he clearly understands the situation.
Oh you know his pastor is listening to this call, waiting to chastize his little disciple for failing to own the evul atheists
@ Yes, he's being held hostage by big bang.
@@MrMarco855 I don't follow. What do you mean?
@@MrMarco855false equivalence. You are not intelligent enough to be allowed to vote. Cancer. ♋️
Forrest is the new, more patient Matt. Quite possibly the best host they have rn
Totally agree, but I didn't watch Matt when he first started out doing this. Perhaps Matt was patient back then too but years of dealing with this caused his patience to wear thin.
@@tallenpelegrin7026 that's very probably true. But also Forrest being an actual teacher means he has a way with words and explanations which just seems to come naturally. Either way it's nice to see that axp won't die with Matt gone
@@rickybojangles162 he is. If u see the very old episodes, Matt had the patience of a saint, my man. The guy on the women is just straight up swearing and screaming and Matt tries to reason with the guy.
@Atheistme well, maybe patient but also really easy to explode and be rude. Sure the people he is talking to might be saying stuff he has heard a thousand times but it doesn't give him a right to go off them for that. His behaviour is really understandable but not something that he should be doing. If he feels angry he should just drop the call or and move on and explain to the audience why without having to insult them, that's just what the job is. But honestly speaking, if I was in his position I would be screaming murder.
I think these people should be getting hazard pay for having to put their sanity in the line.
@@pramada9431 Especially if it’s not two people talking to another who share a mutual respect and care between them, it can really Be hard to maintain your cool.
Man it's so tragic to see the amount of emotional, psychological and frankly spiritual abuse that Amanuel has suffered, but really amazing to see the tenderness and empathy that Forrest continues to bring to the show, it really shined in the call. Jim is a delight as always, I love how he is able to keep the call grounded and on point for both the caller and the audience. Much love from Australia!
I feel like they should have gone one step further though. screw the other callers; clearly this man has reason to want to disbelieve and they arguments that might help him on the path to freedom from this abuse. I think they should have delved into his reasons for belief
Been watching your site for hours now…so refreshing. Strict Baptist upbringing, molested as child by prominent member of church, forced to attend until old enough to move out, studied bible ruthlessly and with vigour until life experiences and my common sense brought me to realization in 40s, been atheist since. I’m 73 now and find there is little learning on how to engage with christians. I seek an atheist group I could associate with, nothing in this province of Canada 🇨🇦. So thanks so much for being available; I’m getting a lot of useable material from your many programs ❤. /denyse zenner from Nova Scotia
You would think the one place god would protect children is in a church. The fact that this seems to be the place predators go to hurt children is just more cement around the idea in my head that gods (and ESPECIALLY the christian god) do not exist.
You've still got time, God will re-enter the picture for you before it's too late. God forbid, if you were on a plane that was spiraling out of control, you'd drop to your knees in prayer very quickly. So would 99% of atheists. Don't blame God nor Christianity for the heinous acts of individuals. It would be unrealistic to expect millions of clergy the world over to be free from sin. We're all sinners, we all experience unjust acts and suffer by the abuse of others in one way or another. It's a human thing, God is against all sin.
I know all about Catholic priests but I never idolized them, I knew they were capable of giving in to temptation. I would never leave the church no matter what anyone in the church did to me. My eternal life depends on me being a faithful servant of God, what sins a priest commits is completely outside of my salvation.
A priest is not the church, he's not Christianity, he's one human among millions and not more than that. I have great respect for the sacrifices made by priests, nobody considers the many that have given up the life most of us live to serve God. Those that are guilty of abuse will be judged like the rest of us. Your goal should be, to be in the presence of God and his overwhelming love in Heaven. Don't let the devil within an abusive clergyman derail your goal.
@@MrMarco855 You can’t stand seeing or hearing someone say that they finally realized what an utter bunch of nonsense they’d been taught,Religion is steeped in history yes but based on fiction,Religion was founded when the first scoundrel met the first Fool….
I want to see her go to Heaven.
Dear mr Marco, I say to you what I said to my dear sweet mother before she passed. She was so very very worried that one of her 6 adult children was not going to go to heaven. I asked her, “Mom, do you believe still believe that your god answers your prayers?” Yes, she replied. Then I gently told her to no longer worry if she truly believes. Don’t worry about me, mr Marco. If your god is all powerful then what do you have to worry about!!
Emmanuel isn’t an idiot, in spite of his delusion. The poor thing is caught in the grips of a self-abusive belief. I hope that he finds his way out of religion someday. This was an excellent conversation, and it was full of insight.
Being an idiot and being deluded are not mutually exclusive. Ammanuel could certainly be both.
no he most definitely is for allowing himself to be tricked into believing that, and also for perpetuating his own beliefs.
@@EustaBAracer I'd be quick to call someone an idiot, especially if they hold absurd religious believes ... but I don't think he is an idiot ... he is a victim of mental abuse and indoctrination ... it's easy to say it's his fault, if you don't know what he went through ...
@@felixsalazar4475 "no he most definitely is for allowing himself to be tricked into believing that"
Indoctrination and fear can shut down the most brilliants of minds ... not to say that he is necessarily a genius, but he certainly isn't an idiot ...
He is a victim and needs help ... while the people who did that to him, should be brought to justice ... but we all know, that's sadly not going to happen ...
@ you have compassion for Emmanual but hate all other theists. I see.
Forrest was infinitely nicer and kinder to Emanuel than God ever was
Sure - the Devil comes over as a nice guy.
@@deniss2623 Yeah. And the guy who promised the human kind an eternal torture if they don't worship him was supposedly a nice person. I'm talking about Jesus.
@@LEON46051
Leon, that is a misunderstanding and misrepresentation. I'm not saying this is true in your case, but so often it IS a deliberate twisting of the Truth because people are in rebellion against their Creator and Sustainer.
It was love and concern that sent the Son of God into this world to make atonement for us, that we can be forgiven and reconciled.
If we refuse, then God gives us our own way. We insist we want to be completely separated from Him and left to ourselves, so that is what we are granted.
That is all it will take to make Hell Hell - final separation from the source of all goodness.
We cannot be neutral. We either believe Satan (the original rebel) or we believe Jesus. Who do you trust?
@@deniss2623 If anyone can be forgiven can someone kill your family and go to heaven if they regret what they done?
@@deniss2623 If there was 1 pair of every single animal on Noahs ark wouldn't that mean that the animals offspring resulted to incest?
WHOA, that was the most honest call I have heard yet. Absolute sympathy for this man, hope he pushes past this.
Forrest is an absolute champion of a bloke. Polite, smart, compassionate and respectful. ♥️
If you didn't know about religion and someone told you that some dude is going come back from the dead and judge people, you'd think they were crazy.
Nonono, dont call them crazy. Because somehow thats totally not crazy... And its offensive.
/s
Just imagine grown adults drinking the "blood" of "Jesus," and eating his "flesh" using crackers and wine.🤣
@YT Censors wasnt that hitchens?
@@Z4r4sz Compartmentalised crazy, that doesn't deserve a free pass.
@@hakureikura9052
They both said it
Well done Jim and Forrest. Especially you, Forrest, are an example of how to be both, respectful and precise. It is so hard to make a person like Ammanuel think about his beliefs, which shows what a „good“ job religion did on him, yet you made it happen. Thanks
R why so sad xby
STOP the stupidity. Atheism is a religion. Any belief re the cause of this universe is a religion and you've tagged yourself an "atheist" because you believe atheist ideas re the cause of this universe (nature: time/space/matter/energy. You also believe that evolution is the "controlling power" over life, instead of God. THAT is religion.
Either you have a RATIONAL POSSIBLE world view or you don't. To be an atheist and have no factual basis for your cult, is to be content to be even more lost and clueless than yesterday.
Why do you cling so desperately to an asinine atheist cult that's INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS? Could you be more lost and clueless?
Einstein called atheism "a religion formed to reject other religions. How cute and desperate they are." I know it hurts to know that the most famous and respected scientist of our generation believed atheists to be pathetic idiots.
Produce evidence for atheism instead of bashing theists. Atheism is world famous for failing to produce - If you people ran a farm, your annual yield would be 1 stick of wheat.
@@dawkinrich2051 LOL! That's the truth.
@@dawkinrich2051 That is just another claim you can’t prove. Pretty much what you do with your religion. Let me know if you actually have a point.
He is literally the first Theist I've EVER heard admit the quiet part out loud. He only worships out of fear. I'll tell you this... I wouldn't even want somebody to be my FRIEND just because they were afraid of me, much less "worship" me.
According to Bible bangers, we aré clay pigeons to God. He knows what purpose we serve for him: he shoots at us for fun; if he misses, we are saved and we have to thank him for having survived.
"Lousy God"-Homer Simpson
“Puny God.”-Hulk
They kinda paint themselves in a corner with that one. God knows everything and is omnipotent with a master plan that only He knows, but we have free will somehow. I can never get that one. It's fun watching their mental gymnastics sometimes.
@@donnamurphy8551 its a catch all excuse for when people do bad things.
TheramingTrees has made videos about narcissistic people and how their behavior is *identical* to god of bibles and quran 😰
"You better watch out, my imaginary friend refuses to show himself to you unless you stop sinning."
👀👀
And if you dont love him not showing himself to you, he'll set you on fire forever.
As if any atheist deserves to see him.
@@MrMarco855 Seeing things that aren't there is a concerning sign of mental illness. Get checked.
@Atheistme exactly.
@Atheistme Which makes sense, since you have to have the IQ of an infant to believe in such a gawd.
This is why I will forever be inspired to approach science like Forest and be ready to help others. He was born to teach. His patience to wait for an opponent to admit their misunderstanding so he can address it in the most gentleman-like way possible is a skill we should all be striving to have. I hope the patience never dies. I know it could, I just hope it won't.
He walked himself into a corner with this (not surprising, he sounds pretty young). Usually the more difficult positions to argue against revolve around the idea that you *can* see God, but the "evidence" leans into circle reasoning vis-a-vis every natural thing we can see (basically the Watchmaker Fallacy). Still, great job guys. You handled this as well as you could have lol
The total brain rot of Religion
He's phoned around the shows.
Props to Ammanuel for not only having the bravery to call in and have his beliefs challenged, but basically admitting that his fear of Hell is keeping him in his religion. If I were to pray, I'd pray that he sees the light.
@ He 'basically' admitted? In other words, he admitted no such thing. Only after you stretched and twisted his words did it come across in that way. Many atheists rarely tell the truth.
The fear of NOT believing is stronger than the need to know. This is the "success" of religion (Def: a strong belief followed by action).
This is the perfect example of what Richard Dawkins would describe as Child Abuse.
Or what anyone with a bit of compassion and sense would call child abuse.
I was raised Catholic, converted to Protestantism and spent decades in the church. Then one day i asked, "what does it mean to live by faith?" I stopped DOING bible reading, prayer, and only went to church to listen. I waited. I heard NOTHING. There was profound silence. This was the beginning of my de-conversion. It took almost 20 years. Now all the things I used to believe sound crazy.
I was a lukewarm Christian for many years...sort of "checked the box" of being a Christian, like I believe many people do. Met a woman who was Christian at the core of her being...wanted to get married to her but knew I had to grow in my faith to make it a happy union. I tried my very best to grow my Faith. I prayed, and called out with ALL OF MY STRENGTH and BEGGED Jesus to come into my heart and transform me...for months. Read the Bible, honestly opened my heart, begged God to save me...nothing. In fact I lost what faith I had. Still sad that it's not all true. I wish it was...but I can't believe. Trying to learn to live without faith, now. I feel like it's a journey to learn to live as an atheist...pros and cons...basically a new way to experience life. I broke off our engagement. She found a Christian to marry. I hope they are happy, but I know I made the right choice, even though it broke my heart giving her up.
@@BandiGetOffTheRoof It's a process. God doesn't respond on our timetable. Many ask God to show himself, if he doesn't appear they leave the Church ( not referring to you ). God gave us this life and he gives us time to develop our faith. If we demand that God appears right now, you can imagine why that doesn't get a response. Give it some time, show God that you love him, don't wait for a response, it will come on God's perfect schedule. Isn't eternal happiness worth whatever it takes?
@@MrMarco855 If all he wants is our love and devotion why all of the mystery and secret timetables. Any human alive knows that the easiest way to get us to do anything is to show up in person and let us experience what is the right thing to do. If i know this and you know this, then a super knowledge and powerful god knows this. And in fact, he did it in the past (according to the bible) why did he stop?
@@andrew_stamps God gave you life, you did nothing to earn it. He promises eternal bliss if you only obey his simple rules and acknowledge that he's your Creator. Do you know how to measure, do you know a good deal when you see it? Eternal bliss is beyond the limits of our imagination, all of the gold in the world can't buy it, and the cost would be more than that if it were for sale. It's offered to each of us for doing almost nothing. Anyone that turns down the offer is a damn fool. Anyone that isn't thankful for this life doesn't deserve it. If you don't believe that God is your Creator, then maybe you can hang out with Mr. big bang after you pass from this life.
@@MrMarco855 You talked to god and he told you that he gave me life? Amazing! I want to know how he did it? So the next time you speak to him please ask him to call me or stop by my house ill provide lunch or burned sheep, whatever he likes. There are other questions about life id like him to tell me about. Also if he can bring my dead mom too that'd be great. You see she was in a coma 20 years ago and I begged him to let me speak to her to tell her I love her and ill miss her before she died. But i guess he was too busy and just let her die without being able to say goodbye. But now that you can talk to him please let him know that id like to talk with him. I mean, he's such a good, moral, powerful, and loving god who loves me so much, so I know he'll show up this time.
Thanks
I've saved this video to a playlist of mine that covers religion. The points made in this video are SO important for theists to hear and consider. Great work.
Damn dude forest really has a way of connecting with people, mad respect, I hope to manifest this kind of talent one day, he makes it look easy
Jim is incredibly smart! and Forrest is just so articulate. That's why I love him.
Atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. There is no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. That's because God is real. It's time to get out of this asinine atheist cult. I'll help you. Do you have any questions? Because I wouldn't be here if I didn't have all the important answers. This channel should be SHUT DOWN until they actually have some answers.
@@brantsonoverton1367 😂😂😂
Both guys are awesome 👏
@@dstarkspp ATHEISM HAS ZERO ANSWERS. These hosts have no answers either & that fact has escaped you.
Mud puddles (& probably star dust) have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES & MEANS to produce LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS & MORALITY. Just find all the chemicals, put them in my kitchen sink & in +/- 3 billion yrs, my kitchen sink will produce a learned atheist that can be a host for this channel. Simple. That's just how stone cold stupid atheism is.
I gotta admit, I respect a Christian who will tell the truth. Because the reality is that if the God of the Bible is real, then the caller is completely correct. Keep your head down and say what you need to say to stay on its good side. Because if we live in the grasp of an all powerful malicious God, then you do what you can to survive.
Fortunately for the world, none of that nonsense seems to be true.
All the great, glorious, superior, and powerful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. don't know and understand that -
1. Their Satanic hatred, mockeries, opposition and defiance of the authorities, teachings, instructions, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ will just result in their own sufferings, disgrace, downfall, shameful and eternal deaths, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever like Adam and Eve, the first humans who mocked, defied, and opposed the authority, instructions, and commandments of the Creator.
2. all lowly and ordinary human beings who honor and obey the authorities, teachings, instructions, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ will live and exist on earth forever without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths so they can fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects or citizens of the Kingdom of God under the loving rulership, guidance, and protection of the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler, Jesus Christ.
@@ookeekthelibrarian It's never about me, it's about your arrogance and foolishness, so, just the same...
your Satanic arrogance and foolishness in mocking and degrading the Creator and his Christ's authorities and teachings as worthless and useless will just result in your own sufferings, griefs, disgrace, downfall, shameful and ETERNAL DEATH, just worthless and useless dust forever.
@@jaflenbond7854 He's thick skinned - He can take it. He chose to conceal Himself, and knew that would be confusing. Also, let angels who retained spiritual powers roam about, posing as all sorts of things.
As a result, we do not get born knowing which and how many gods exist.
And if we do get born that way, we're denied to know He even had an enemy (who He somehow made, too) or to have knowledge of knowing good from evil. So either way, we end up confused, or majorly fettered.
As for many eastern religions, I don't really mind them as much - western, totalitarian, ranting ones... not so much.
You shoulda asked him if he has the same fear of other religions' hell. Or just the one mama and Dada drilled into his mind.
He doesn't, he was lucky enough to be born into the one true religion. Every thirst regardless of religion was born into the one true one.
Prove it.
This was one of the first questions I asked my parents as a kid with all the red flags going off thinking what a bunch of malarkey, I just got the standard "god works in mysterious ways" or "you just have to have faith"....at any rate, I was never a believer.
I bet you also had: You better watch out when your Father gets home.
A method to keep children acting good in the fear of no Father there at the time.
We threw out that method. These days Fathers would be apalled his children would be in fear of his return.
I note with a God/Father, they never return, or were seen in the 1st place.
Did they call for exorcism?
@@timsmith530 And speak of evil wicked witches? :D
Yea I got lucky as well and the nonsense became obvious before it could take hold.
There was a number of aspects of religious belief that made me an atheist, "God works in mysterious ways", was one of the main ones.
The fact it was used to avoid answering awkward questions, just wasn't acceptable.
You all really hit the nail on the head with this episode
Why would he create something he hates? And why would he create something to destroy his children that he supposedly loves?
It's so sad that people are missing out on what could be a happy life, but it's being stolen from them, by the most immoral people in society,while claiming to be the most moral.
the guy was so brutally honest it hurts me. I remember that when i left faith, wasn't going to church, i still held so much fear for some time.
I was compleely unable to laugh on god jokes, or even to talk something bad about god, the religion, the church, even though it was clear to me i wasn't a believer anymore.
The thing is, we hear about all the fire, the punishment, the eternity in suffering so early in life, and from people we trust and love. A hell of fire is a very strong image to give to a 2, 3 years old kid, and still that's what i had.
I left religion before i was able to quit being afraid of god, and i swear it makes sense to me.
I feel so much for the dude and hope he will be able to get out of this. Wish a life of happiness and love. No more fear.
I occasionally have that fear. My rational mind knows it's ridiculous but the fear still persists sometimes.
"Amanuel, how are you doing today?"
"Hi."
". . ."
"Awesome, awesome."
😂
God is like the Boogieman. A lot of people are afraid of him, yet there is no reason to think he is real. But no matter how much you try and tell them that there is nothing to be scared of, people are still afraid of him.
Who would take your word for anything? If anyone believes what you say they will suffer for it. You have no right to play games with the eternal life of people.
@@MrMarco855 Yet it's ok for you to decieve people? Give them false promises of eternal life and rewards. Are they supposed to just take your words for it, or do you plan on actually providing evidence for your false claims? You people are immoral monsters who prey on the weak in the society.
@@MrMarco855eternal life isn't real. If eternal life IS real, I don't want it. If to acquire eternal life, I have to worship a maniacal God who creates people just to punish them, then I DEFINITELY don't want it.
@@isaacbruner65 It's not up to me or you. You may determine where you will exist in eternity but you won't be able to turn it down. God gave you the free will to deny Him and to refuse his offer of eternal bliss. I don't understand the angst, but it's up to you.
I know for a fact that an afterlife exists. Not my opinion, it was proven to me in such a way that science nor anything other can refute that it exists. It wasn't anything that I did, it was through my wife and her mother. It is the greatest story yet to be told.
One of the best tricks the abrahamic religion used was the doubting Thomas story. When I was younger I thought it was such a good story and it shut me up for quite a while trying to rely on faith and thinking i was part of a secretive 'knowing' group of people but a while later i realized this was just to shut down any rational thought and enquiry. Its disgusting
"That's why I fear God."
"Because your god is evil."
"I'm not saying that, I wouldn't go that far..."
Seriously, he knows this god of his is a monster, but he's too afraid to even admit it. Why would anyone want to keep themselves in such a terrible belief system?
Wow...the power of fear is incredible
1:14 _"You know what kind of ... You have to ask me first."_
gotta love it when they write out the entire conversation and it goes perfectly on their paper, but then when they're actually talking to a person that's not helping along their arguments, it crumbles before their eyes.
He just massively contradicted himself. He said “God is both good and evil” but later he says “I won’t say god is evil because that sounds blasphemous.” I feel nothing but pity for him. There was a time I felt a similar fear. For example I played this game by Cory Balrog called Dante’s Inferno and this game is filled to the fucking brim with Christian and Catholic iconography and the story forces the player to the deepest parts of Hell to stop Lucifer from taking the woman you love but were unfaithful to. And the entire time I would play this game I couldn’t shake this feeling that “god wouldn’t want me playing this” and it made enjoying the game hard because of just how deeply indoctrinated I was. Nowadays though I’m thankfully an agnostic atheist and glad I no longer have to fear a figment of my own imagination. Plus I was able to go back and really enjoy the game to the fullest. Hope they make a remake someday.
Theists can't get away from God being evil. The Bible states very specifically that God created evil, good God's do not create evil unless they are in fact evil.
I feel so sorry for this kid. Taught to live in horrible fear. Think of the weight on his shoulders. Absolutely living as a victim of abuse. My heart breaks for and goes out to him.
Brilliant job, Forrest and Jim!
Hey Forest and Jim. Having walked away from my belief in a God. It meant a lot to me, to see how tender you two were with that young man. As, I wouldn't have been able to see the truth of things. If I had not been engaged with in like fashion. It really seemed to me, he was connecting with you both, really opening up. Awesome
Yeah I agree that Forest and Jim really do a good job at not sounding condescending while talking to this young man. I give the kid props for answering truthfully. He did well in explaining his point of view/beliefs and I understood why he couldn’t say God was bad. Because of fear…. great conversation!
Satan can be "tender" too, if need be. Atheism has ZERO ANSWERS. But you're sooo desperate to think otherwise. You have no factual basis for your atheism. Atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. There is no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. That's because God is real. It's time to get out of this asinine atheist cult. I'll help you. Do you have any questions? Because I wouldn't be here if I didn't have all the important answers. This channel should be SHUT DOWN until they actually have some answers.
@@brantsonoverton1367 I've read over some of your replies, to me and others. Knowing that you know me not, and that you seem to be invested, in what I know or understand. I thought I'd give you a peak of who I am, and what I think. Now instead of sighting a source outside myself, I'll share with you my heart. Below is an excerpt from my journal of personal writings. If you do reply, it is my hope to see your heart. As more truth of your personal nature, will be found therein. May you come to know me.
*Our precious fruits
I wonder how often, when one is angred with another. Is but only angry, for denying one's self. On some underlying fundamental level. For instance. After walking away from my belief in the gods. They became a dicey topic for me. Then I remembered, the topic of the gods always has been hard for us. And I began to question myself, and wounder. Why the topic of the gods still mattered to me so? With nothing to protect, this simple quandary, a naked view through the minds eye. To the fruits most precious hanging upon my tree. My fruit laid bare, I understood. No tree produces fruit not of it's kind. For I was the tree, and the gardener alike. So the fruit of the gods lofting within my branches, were not placed, but mine, grafted or grown. With tender hands caressed, a whispered thank you. My precious fruit unchanged, mine eyes now saw, once the fruit of the gods, partook of the fruit of humanity. Thusly embraced a new understanding. The simple" request, to speak of the gods. But truly, a request to feel human with you. To experience connection. How beautiful, how beautiful. The topic of the gods, but the fruit of humanity. Which lay within us all. To the un-simple" request, I suggest but this. Do as the scriptures say and, "kick not against the pricks," lest ye make one of yourself. As I've full confidence, no one intends to kick a briur patch. Nowadays, I leave the "kicking" to the unsure footed. Let land where they may. Thusly embrace all that comes your way.
Did you experience any shunning?
@@jamesparsonHey, thanks for asking. Not knowing you, I must infer, you may have. I truly hope not. As for me, not as a specific practice, no. But I was seen as deceived at best, and as Satan's agent at worst. I lost friends that were like family to me, people I loved. But my family, my blood, they hold me close. Even with these discomforts. Others I know have not been so lucky, so I'm grateful for where I landed. The hardest thing, is just missing those, I still call brother and sister in my heart. So, if I indeed infred correctly. Strength your way
This almost made me want to cry. It legitimately didn't even seem like he was trying to make an argument, he was just trying to spread the word that "We need to do with this guy says; he's crazy!" as a service to his fellow man.
Amazing the lengths these people go to to explain the absurd
Who are 'these people'?
@1984 is now. What stupid thing to say.
@@MrMarco855 That is my second question.
@Airstrip One and I rest my case lolol
He didn't just harden the pharaoh's, he killed every firstborn for the sins of the pharaoh. What a nice, moral guy!
That was so... sad. Usually these calls are incredibly frustrating, this one is just heartbreaking and tragic.
At least this caller admitted something that most theists barely acknowledge; that they believe that god has planned everything, and that includes planning for some people to go to hell, and there's nothing you can do about it, since that would go against god's plan. That's fucked up.
I like Hitchens take on this stuff. Considering human kind is 100,000 years old (or more) humans lived a miserable fearful life of volcanoes, floods, drought, starvation, disease, rotten teeth, fighting other tribes and many other ways of dying. All this time heaven observes with crossed arms and does nothing. So 2,000 years ago god has to step in and do something, the virgin birth, the crucifixion, bla bla bla and all that happened in one spot in the middle east. Really? Really?
Amanuel’s god is a mugger with his hand in his pocket claiming he has a gun, except that it’s not in person, it’s over the phone like the asdf short.
But it’s not even that, it’s a phone call by someone telling you someone *else* is a mugger, and it’s actually just a text message, but it’s really just cryptic and vague, etc etc.
Jim Barrows is successful only because he listens, doesn't shout, isn't angry, doesn't ridicule and asks questions patiently. It is only because of his effective use of Socratic method that he appears rational and is convincing. ;)
"I don't take critisism from anybody I wouldn't also take advice from". I'll just write it down here so I don't forget it!
Man this Forrest guy is just killing it. I bet if he keeps doing this for a few more years he'll turn into a grump like Matt after answering the same stupid questions to the same stupid people and not getting anywhere.
Forrest has ZERO ANSWERS, so stop insinuating otherwise. Atheism has ZERO ANSWERS. But you're sooo desperate to think otherwise. You have no factual basis for your atheism. Atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. There is no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. That's because God is real. It's time to get out of this asinine atheist cult. I'll help you. Do you have any questions? Because I wouldn't be here if I didn't have all the important answers. This channel should be SHUT DOWN until they actually have some answers.
@@brantsonoverton1367 nothing quite like Christian denial. Maybe you should leave your asinine cult. Funny how you claim atheism has no explanation for reality when yours is abracadabra
He's gonna be A-OK.
@@crypticjim Every time I corner a lost & clueless atheist, they scream whataboutism LOL. Atheism is a sect of rebellious fools that can't even begin to explain reality w/ their atheist cult; thus, atheists are not serious people.
Let’s hope so!
Big Jim looking fly in his multicolored shirt.
Gawd is playing peek-a-boo?
> literally controls entropy and existence itself
> pops humans into being for the fuck of it
> hides from them causing them existential dread and brutal conflicts
> refuses to elaborate
That silly rascal
Nope.
Neither is Vishnu, Ahura Mazda or Holy Unicorn! 😉
The bond between a religious person and the god in which they believe reflects battered spouse syndrome perfectly.
How does a grown adult talk like this?
Taught nonsense since birth... dependant on others to think for them.
Unfortunately, critical thinking isn't taught or valued at all in the American public school system
I don't think this is a grown adult.
Just like Kamala lol.
That's what religión does for you.
Logically, an omnipotent, omniscience and all loving being wouldn't need to do things so convoluted. Unless the being wanted to.
This is the most depressing, yet sincere and pragmatic, argument for obedience that I've ever heard.
Every notice how many people will claim GOD is GOOD and just in his actions.
Never look at any of their GOD'S actions where he doesn't help people timely as in response to prayer.
OR
How many people die daily that a GOD of prevention and action could take care of?
Remember he loves everyone the same.
Yet some people are born just to die horrible deaths a GOD could easily prevent but never does for 1000's of years.
Replies are being censored here. Why can't we see all the comments.
@@Angelum_Band Which comments?
@@scamchan Count of 4 are showing but 2 have been ghosted.
@@Angelum_Band repost
@@scamchan They were not my comments but someone elses. That is why I was curious.
That fear response is what kidnappers use to control their victims. Emmanuel reminds me of those 3 girls…Amanda Berry was one of them, (the one who finally managed to escape and free the other two from their horrible kidnapper who had them for 10 years!)….he controlled them by using fear of punishment and at other times giving them little gifts!
That’s what the claimed “god” of the Bible is doing.
It's truly disturbing we have gazillions of people walking among us that actually think this way especially here in America! Scary
This call is a clear example of FEAR lasting longer than LOVE.
I feel sorry for Amanuel. It's quite clear that his only motivation for worshiping god is strong fear. He is a victim of severe religious abuse.
I hope he finds strength and courage and he overcomes this one day.
To listen to the callers in the beginning of each episode…their confidence in their convictions and then hear them just fall apart by end if video…PRICELESS 🏆
He pretty much admitted that his god is evil which is not something I've ever heard a christian admit. I think he'll find his way out eventually.
The bible outlines exactly how horrible christian god is. Wants israelites to commit genocide, wants people to practice slavery, murdered everyone with a flood. Christian god is an asshole.
Religious people get most of their daily workout from moving goalposts around.
They also do mental gymnastics and tap dancing. They also beat the bushes and maintain an unhealthy diet of word salad.
🤣
Don’t forget all the whine to go with that word salad.
Man Hovind and Powell should be ripped then 😹
Jim and Forest are really really good out there logic! I really like them I have to say I didn't used to like Jim so much but I find him to be a very smart individual and I have a lot of respect for both of those guys and thank you for doing what you! Jim has said a lot of really good things that I agree with totally and I appreciate what you guys do!!
I think it depends whose paired up at the time. I think when he was paired up with Matt, he felt he had to be an asshole like Matt.
"Logic?" Says the lost and clueless atheist fool that thinks star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE AND MEANS to create/design the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy.
Wow, that was a really important call; best I've seen in a while. It felt like a little breakthrough happened there. Maybe not for Amanuel, sadly - it sounds like the "fear of god" is so deeply ingrained in him it'll be VERY difficult for him to ever break free and realize he's afraid of a fictional character - but it should help other people, less consumed by the myth, to think some helpful thoughts. Bravo.
This was an excellent call, and I am very impressed by the hosts' ability to conduct a respectful conversation while arguing without giving in to the convictions and fears of the caller. I am also very sorry for the caller - this is a really traumatic way to lead one's life. Happy to be free of these superstitions!
That is one of that saddest calls I've ever heard.
I always said that the god in the garden of Eden story sounds like a parent that puts his infant in a tube of water. Then says don't drown. Then walks away while knowing his kid is absolutely going to drown.
"Yeah, that explanation was perfect"
. That explanation was sarcastic and was meant to highlight the absurdity of the position...but it's perfect.
It almost makes God seem absurd.
It reminds me if that George Carlin Bit.
"Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! ...But He loves you. "
Classic line, possibly one of the best stand up comedians on a God. Whilst there are others that are just as well quoted, George Carlin really TOLD the audience they were silly to believe in a God.
And he needs money!
This actually broke my heart. It’s the first time I’ve ever cried at a The Atheist Experience video 😔 This poor guy. I remember this fear so much. When you said that’s abuse, brooo that hit hard!
This young dude is THE definition of why all religions, and ALL ideologies, have to get to the young. This is what they do to people. It’s sickening. I was really lucky to have been able to see through the con when I was really young, and having parents who weren’t strict Catholics either certainly helped. But Catholic schools (in Scotland) are there primarily to create more Catholics! They are indoctrination centres, just like Muslim madrassas.
True JESUS followers or (religion) keep the comandments of GOD and have the faith of JESUS revelation 14:12 this is the only true church it is written in the bible how to recognize True JESUS followers. catholic teaching do not have this rquerment means it is a false. Mayority that claim christian will be lost only few will be saved GOD wants 100% not 99.99
@@GODiscomingsoonagain *ALL* “god” claims are FALSE. Every. Single. Last. One. Of. Them.
The very concept is fraudulent.
Only those who think like children are taken in by them. “Gods” are just Santa Claus for adults.
The only 'true' Church, ostensibly FULFILS John 14:12.
No excuses anymore - not one.
Not after Augustine, Calvin, Paul III and Torquemada - too many f*** ups, too few explanations, too few interventions.
Go back to crucial, cardinal qualifications - or go home.
@@chrissonofpear1384 church is not the building but the people. The 3 angels message of revelation already tell you that there is true GODS people that must give the world the true gospel befor the second coming wich is the end. It means today there is and till the end will be people that proclaim the truth before the end. Matthew 24 also tell Matthew 24:14, KJV: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. it means there is still a true church or people that proclaim the gospel
@@GODiscomingsoonagain Then hurry up and give that Gospel - WITHOUT Omissions, this time, say?
And which 3 angels do you mean? I'm not familiar with that particular detail.
Also, John 14:12 AND John 14:13 - consider.
The Church meantime is an ASSEMBLY OF PEOPLE. Including policy makers, law makers and other past 'authorities'. See Romans 13:1, also.
" There is no devil it's just God when hes drunk" Tom Waits.
With your name and pic there, I imagined Charlie saying it, and it actually sounded like something Charlie would say 😂
This just makes me sad, but I think this guy is on the right track.
He reached out, that's a good start
This is a very valuable clip. This one should be shared.
I am here to tell you, as someone who has been sober from religion for close to 15 years, the fear does go away.
This call was incredibly heartbreaking. These religions, especially the literal interpretations of them, are so goddamn damaging to peoples psyche. Its psychological torture people are going through. I remember, before even hitting puberty, bawling my eyes out at night thinking I was going to go to hell. I was actually going through hell, to keep from going to hell. A 10 year, crying themselves to sleep many, many nights, because of innocuous bullshit like saying a bad word or having a bad thought. Child abuse, plain and simple.
Same :( I would cry myself to sleep worrying about it when I was a kid. As I got older it escalated into panic attacks (hyperventilating, sobbing, racing thoughts)
The caller is almost there... almost there. A little bit further. Almost there!
I don't understand 'choosing to believe'. I think it's impossible to do. It's like choosing to fall in love. You either do or don't. It seems like they choose to pretend to believe. Kinda like, 'Fake it till you make it' but the first word in the saying gives it away.
I don't think so, choosing to "believe in God" is much different and easier than falling in love. Human beings are essentially pattern recognition machines, it's easy to find confirmation of "God's will" damn near anywhere if you're actively looking for it. If you surround yourself with people making God claims, it can be pretty easy to give in to confirmation bias.
I do agree theists tend to be both scared of death, and looking forward to it. They are a twisted wreck.
@@88mphDrBrown I'm not saying it's not possible to believe in God for whatever reason or fall in love, I'm saying it's not a choice. Because it's not. You either do or you don't. You can act like you believe or act loving but you can't make yourself believe. You can talk yourself into anything but it's not a choice to simply believe.
@@kimsland999 I used to think about that allot as a child, the scared of death while looking forward to it seems spooky to me.
@@williezar2231 Its a love affair with morbid death. Truly a horrible thing to believe in, the God of death.
The entire gist of the call "God isn't evil, but I'm afraid to agree with Forrest and Jim because God will kill me if I do"
This gentleman was being open and honest. It's appreciated.
The abuse is real
This is my first video i have watched on this channel. I am an only child and a Muslim. I'm from Pakistan and its people and my religion are really strict about challenging the word or existence of god . But the fact that it seem in Judaism Christianity islam and Hinduism (not including Buddhism due to that religion being a little different) all the major religions say the same thing and they are working and working wonderfully by the carrot and stick method. And that it is the biggest reason of war racism in the world. If only i could live a thousand years and see these religions change transformer and evolve and may be forgot like the past one's. What a world that will be. Keep up the work of real enlightenment. ❣️👍
"Is he in the room with you right now? Say 'chili peppers' if you need help Emmanuel."
A good Friday night tap dance show was just what I needed.
Jim and Forrest - reasonable and calm using reason.
Caller- absolute madness
Atheists are simple people to figure out. They just want to believe in nothingness. It’s because they want to control their own path. It takes courage to allow GOD to control your life. That’s something they can’t do. It’s a lot of fear of truth and the unknown.
@@persephoneharrison3439I have never heard an atheist say that they believe in nothingness, maybe you should spend more time talking to people who don’t already believe like you
That certainly was a good example for the class indeed. I still have a deep rooted lingering fear from growing up as a Catholic, but the logic and lack of evidence for god mostly outweighs that fear.
I feel for the caller and hope he can think about it more too.
I was raised catholic but I was lucky that I recognized the inanity of this silly religious nonsense as a young kid and never developed a fear of hell and such.
I did take in a lot of positive messaging though I dare say much of that is very absent in the typical believer. They seem to talk the talk of comfortable cohabitation but only a solid minority of them walk the walk.
To me religion is a prime example of humanity's immaturity and primality. Overall humans are not-too-bright, right up to the point of not realizing just how not-too-bright they are.
I'm convinced too that religions were developed by the smarter men of their day as story based "constitutions" to be taught for the purpose of having some societal code of behavior.
But yea, I dodged the fear card so I'm lucky.
The hardest part of my indoctrination to rid myself off, was the concept I'm being watched at all times, not only that my very thoughts were watched.
Such a weight that holds you down and it has no justification.
I once worked with a Catholic kid just out of high school who I was asking him questions about Catholics.
He laughed and said “ I always figured if a person was going to really be holy, he wouldn’t be Catholic.”
"Logic & lack of evidence?" Says the lost and clueless atheist fool that thinks star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE AND MEANS to create/design the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy.
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Well done, you committed a strawman fallacy.
“That is abuse, that is torture, that is WRONG” How do I send this to my family without sending it to them? It hurts getting out of the abuse of the religion but now just watching it hurt them
“When inventing a god, the most important thing is to claim it is invisible, inaudible, and imperceptible in any way. Otherwise, people will become skeptical when it appears to no one, is silent and does nothing.” (Lindsey Brown)
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