What Evidence Would Confirm the Bible? | Matt - MI | Atheist Experience 23.53
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- The Atheist Experience 23.53 for December 22, 2019 with Matt Dillahunty & Dragnauct Sylvas.
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"Why did miracles drop off right after we discovered science and the ability to record things?"
What a brilliant question Matt.
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Matt is amazing isnt he!
Gaz: I asked that question in Church once - "Why don't we see any big deal miracles like the burning bush today?" Soon after, I had witnessed in my personal life (maybe I was just paying attention, now) so many miracles of healing and deliverance in my family, impossible rescues (my daughter fell off the grand canyon and clung to the ONLY scrubby bush cropping out of the sidewall), and other personal revelations. Miracles abound today - most happen in the privacy of your prayer time and are not video-recorded - too bad for that - but it DOES mean that you are more apt to recognize them as you seek God of miracles and begin to recognize Him in your daily life. John 3 16 can be that recognized miracle in your life. It reveals how much God loves you, what the desire of His heart is for you and what His promise is to you. Have a good day.
@@wwlib5390 lol. You are full of nonsense.
@@wwlib5390 haha you're a strange one
@@simonbelmont5801 And what miracles have you seen - recognized - in YOUR life?
If someone told me they were abducted by aliens, I would not believe it. However if in a hundred years someone else wrote a story about that person being abducted by aliens even though they weren't there and didn't know the person, and then that story was unearthed thousands of years later, and that person's story went through dozens of translations and interpretations, then I would believe that.
Yep sums that caller up
Obviously…far more credible
hahahaha
Well done
David Langford wrote a story about his wife’s great uncle meeting aliens at the end of the 19th century in diary form. Whitley Streiber has quoted this work as factual on several occasions despite Dave contacting him and asking him for an author’s acknowledgement at least
As if the Romans would neglect to mention the fact that ALL the graves in Jerusalem opened and the dead did a giant Michael Jackson routine.
The hardest part about this show is how people say -Yes -But. They heard nothing at all.
And “if” this…..
@@purpleice7277 or the dishonesty in their “just out of curiosity”. 🤦♂️
…but what about….?
"I'm wrong, but ima power through it anyway " 😅
"I agree, but what I think contradicts what you said."
Gotta love Dragnauct. He has this calm, Spock-like voice that says to us, "Shhhhhhh. Listen to wisdom."
Dragnauct and Matt really work well together. More of this please.
Matt always needs a good cop & Dragnauct is perfect
You mean Harold
@@petyrkowalski9887 Harold? I don't get it.
@@petyrkowalski9887Is that the name on Dragnauct’s birth certificate? If so, you could be more respectful and use the name he goes by and not the one he doesn’t
This guy is a paramedic? That's scary on so many levels.
I don’t think he’s actually a paramedic. I think someone just told him he was and he believed it.
etc z to ht
@@Heathen.Deity. No way he'd believe that. Someone told him they read a story about ancient Mediterranean paramedics and that's how he became a paramedic.
@@noracola5285 😂
Dragnauct Sylvas sounds like a WoW character name. What a sweet ass name.
His name is awesome.
Yeah, sylvannas lmao
_Say Whaaa?_ ...I thought his name is Albert.
A dishonest caller. Likes to play games rather than having an honest conversation. The sort of human I never want to meet and never want my kids to meet. I love the hilarious comments, though! Priceless!
I have been arguing with him for hours in the comment section before giving up...he's very intellectually dishonest and his logic is full of fallacies and double standards.
I love this show. The best part is when the audience erupts in laughter.
*Unqualified laughter is amusing. I call you the VILLAGE IDIOT'S GIRL'S CHOIR*
*Tell me something? IS Google personally overseeing this channel? Otherwise, why are there SO many Google employees like yourself here?*
@@thetruthchannel349 fucking Google. Google is the illimunati, demons, all of it
Yea theres nothing like a room full of sheep laugher for the sole purpose of elevating Matts ego.
How often do you think a member of the audience disagrees with a host?
Google is worse than the illuminati.
Pretty sure this caller is Fred Astaire resurrected because god damn he's good at tap dancing
But Fred made it look good, and artistic ;-)
@@douglasthomashayden2566 haha very true Doug
A zombie-fied wannabe maybe.
The Truth lololol
Intellectually dishonest religious people are always good at tap dancing their way around the facts. Nothing new here.
I can levitate all the time on demand. Only briefly, though. Almost like jumping. Oh, wait................
Well, if you do this levitating/jumping thing all the time, then its commonplace so its not impressive, and therefore no one can believe it.
People cant jump, we established a fact here.
/caller's logic
Jesus is real he works down at the farm near my house! He walks on water every winter when the pond freezes! He hates walking all the way around the pond in the summers! He also turns water into wine when he makes his wine!
damn
The Jesus I know has a sixth grade education and mows my lawn for 20 a week.
@@sharonsmith1203 damn, I live next to Jesus!
Jesus stays occasionally at our farm
I have 4 daughters...
@R Hopzing multiple sightngs my ass! I know jesus! Jesus works down the road from me at there family farm! Him and his brother carlos love to drink beer, ride steel horses and shoot pool and guns! LOL!
The incredible Magic Flying "IF" never disappoints.
I was just trying to clarify what exactly he is looking for in terms of evidence for the resurrection.
He explicitly demands scientific evidence of miracles, then says that Jesus can die once at a fixed point in history, and it doesn't have to be scientifically repeated.
If this happens then that happens and that is proof that this happens!
@@tugboat2030
Exactly.
@@onlineapologetics9729 You are so amazingly intellectually dishonest that only a god could be able to create someone as dumb as you…therefore god exists 😊
@@DrMonty-yr1kc
I'm sorry you feel the need to be rude to strangers on the internet, life must be pretty hard for you to feel the need to act that way. I hope things improve for you, I will pray for you to find peace of mind.
Apparently, being brought back to life doesn't count as a resurrection unless immortality is arbitrarily tacked on.
I didn't exist before I was born.
Therefore I arose from the dead
just like Jesus.
I await my spiritual ascent into the sky.
I rose from the dead on Monday morning... Had to face reality and go to work...
Dozens of people came back from the dead in the Bible.
I'm still fucking dead!
I need mouth to mouth resitation now
GODDAMIT!😃
ive been resuscitated 4 times i only have 23% heart left , but i was definitely not resurrected. you need to be dead and not able to be resuscitated , then come back to life days later , and walk off to heaven , oh and youd need to believe in god
Dragnauct... very unusual name, but cool.
sounds like an anciet god
I though it was dreadnought until the name popped up on screen.
He's either a tabletop RPG protagonist or an ancient hero in a tabletop RPG story.
naughty drag ? ............
@@lrock48 Maybe he dreads nought ? ..........
I would not believe a person alive today telling me he saw a dead guy rise at face value. I would be even less inclined to believe a dead guy's writing that another dead guy rose at face value.
Only thing left is for the writing to be in a dead language and translated multiple times. Then, it's golden.
@Jin p Early Christians were probably thought of as crazy.
But then, how did Christianity arose out of Judaism in the 1st century if there was no resurrection?
@@dinxpe6592 It was the perfect tool to challenge established authority, like any other religion that was an offshoot from another.
@Homer Jay lmfao
If they want to prove their God is real why don’t they have him show up on the show and perform some miracles bam! Problem solved easily
Then theists would say that would violate their free will which is total BS! Proof of God does not violate one's free will to worship or even to believe. There are countless people who still think the Earth is flat despite proof. Satan has proof of God (he saw God personally) and yet still does not worship. Another issue is that theists imply belief or worship without proof is a merit, which is an incredibly dangerous and self-destructive proposition.
I remember Matt asking a caller to "ask your God what he wants you to say to us next because that response would remove any doubt of his existence". Unfortunately their God does not appear to want to help them and prefers to play hide and seek.
@@MunkyDrag0n Even if God of Abrhamic Theism was/is True, I do NOT want to worship a being that condones slavery, genocide and other atrocities.
God can't mess with free will.
@@leehenry5764 just like batman
I do not find love in god
I do not find rest in religion
I do not find peace in belief
I find contentment in atheism
I find comfort in the absence of a higher power
I find happiness in knowledge
A whole world of possibilities open up
When you take off the blindfold
@@Jempath Then prove it. I want to know what they are claiming to be moral. If it's still some ancient nuttery, hard pass.
@@Jempath what if he is actually an evil peanut that can make people levitate but only on Tuesdays?
@@Jempath then God might be disgusted or bored to death with those constantly misrepresenting Him and bowing down at His feet, so to speak. Far more than that though, the utter failure of individual thought.
If it were logically possible for Yahweh to exist, we'd all be in a lot of trouble; as Christopher Hitchens once said: "at least you can die to get out of North Korea." (a tyrannical regime)
@@Jempath which god? The thing is, pascal's wager doesn't work. If you're wrong about the Muslim god, then you suffer. If you're wrong about any one sect of the Christian god then you suffer. Etc etc.
So until you can demonstrate that the god you believe in is the only god, and that the other gods are not possible, I'm going with the only logically defensible position...
And if god is going to punish people for being logical, then it's not a being that I would have any interest in worshiping.
@@Jempath why does your minute brain concoct him to be a male with the personification of archaic savage human features?? Because humans concocted him to be like them. Such little imagination. He's not a he. Nor is He a God humanoid, nor is He real. Wake up!!!
This is why I gave up even trying to debate religious people. It honestly does no good unless the person you're talking to is actually open to evidence that conflicts with their dogma (which is an extremely rare occurrence).
@TickerTaallick Ignorance is Bliss
good day to post this! I celebrate Christmas with my family still and I like the Holidays even though I'm an Atheist.
Christmas is a pagan festival, not a Christian one.
Tim Lewis yes this is true. and?
Anyone can celebrate Christmas, it's a festivity, it's another holiday. Nothing to do with resurrected zombies.
@R Hopzing yeah. It's very sad how most Christian's are like that. My parents know I'm an Athiest........I havent told anyone else in my family for that reason......especially not my extended family. But it sucks not being able to be myself.
Caller is clearly unaware of the fact he'll burn in Jahannam forever.
He certainly won’t make it to Sto’Vo’Kor.
Vahalla will not be kind to him
@@rojh9351 he is not an honorable warrior, he is a coward.
If this guy is for real, he is a good example of delusional ingrained thinking and why these types of people are so dangerous.
@anyone home
How are these people dangerous?
@@sillychubbs684 Because they can't reason things out on their own, yet bring up their kids and vote by following whatever nonsense their "holy" leaders tell them.
@anyone home
What leaders? Far as I can tell the Pope doesn’t do that.
@@sillychubbs684because what they believe can be the cause of human extinction. Theists are masochistic and want the world to end that's when they can get to heaven so this life to any theist is worthless and that's the most dangerous type of person.
"What would DISABUSE you of this belief?" -such a great question.
Dragnaut is one of the more intelligent, well-spoken sidekicks - that actually adds to the show, not bring it down.
I live in Tennessee. Whenever someone gets cancer or heart disease they ask for prayers to cure it. The preachers claim they can heal folks of these ailments. The other day a lady I locked her keys I her car while at church. She asked the preacher for help. He called a locksmith because even though he can cure people of cancer, he cannot unlock a simple lock.
But god is good tho😜
"The biblical God is a fiction like Zeus, Thor and the thousands of other
dead Gods that most sane human beings now ignore. Science adjusts its view
based on observation. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be
preserved." - Unknown
"if a miracle happened that science could repeat would that be a miracle" no that would be just normal science.
deanmoncaster
That was my point, if it was the case that we had empirical evidence of resurrections occurring, it would not be called a miracle by some because people would still deny that God was responsible.
My point was that the resurrection should be investigated as a historical event, not as a scientific issue.
@@onlineapologetics9729 and the fishes and the healing and everything else. Even historically we can tell it didn't Happen
deanmoncaster
How can you tell?
@@onlineapologetics9729 plenty of scholars work
deanmoncaster
Is it because you assume miracles can't happen, because they can't be scientifically verified?
It's odd that so few christians actually know their own stories: Paul specifically explains that he didn't have any knowledge of "Jesus" until after the crucifixion "happened"
Dragnauct makes a wonderful co-host for Matt - therefore God 😁
There was a TV show starring Jack Webb called Dragnauct.
dragnauct is soooooooooooooooooooooooooo boring
@@locutusdborg126 Dragnet
A magician saws a lady in half and puts her back together... this caller believes it's a miracle.
A magic show is not really the same as a public execution, in which the guards would themselves receive the death penalty for dereliction of duty if they failed to cause the death of the one being sentenced, would you agree with that?
The caller wouldn't believe that unless it was written in the Bible
@@onlineapologetics9729: This comment is pointless and stupid but so is all apologetic s.
The Atheist Experience is the leading YT comedy channel. Thank you theists!
Try positive thinking and manifesting and law of attraction as well😜
@John Wood That's not humor, it's information warfare.
I love these two hosts together.
I worked at a state hospital. I've been everyone from Jesus to Satan according to the patient's beliefs. Btw, love that there is actually a Black guy on the panel.
Thanks. It's a sign that atheism is not a race thing.
Black!! Did you say black!! He is AFRICAN AMERICAN and don't you forget it!!!
@Bantu Kinûthia good show eh
"What would disabuse you of this account?" "If god came down and told me..."
LOL! What a long wait this turkey has to look forward to ...
Happy Christmas, thanks for this phone call. Its like best gift of the whole year.
Matt swearing to “God” is always a chuckle. 15:49
Just common phrasing that is within our language. I still say thing like "oh my god" or "jesus" if something is shocking or I'm in disbelief. Kinda funny, hard to shake old habits.
Irony at it finest.
@@TyGuay just like how people turn CHRISTmas into Normal Holiday
I like when he tacks on...i swear to your god...or i swear to the god that u believe in
@@slamacatgt4296 it is a pagan holiday that Christians used. Eases the transition in to new religions when dates are kept the same
Wow, this guy is thick. I am amazed of his ability to live in such a heavy denial.
You'll notice I was just trying to clarify what evidence he was actually asking for. I was just trying to understand what exactly it would take for him to affirm a miracle
@@onlineapologetics9729 Nope. You were setting up strawmen so you could attack him.
Just PROVIDE evidence, and we'll examine it.
The rest of what you're pushing is trying to masturbate with Matt's hand, and he's not into that shit.
Online Apologetics if you wanted clarification, why did you continuously interrupt him when he was trying to make a point? Just to ask a question he was either trying/ had already answered.
Dude look at the comments thread of a religion sermon video. Especially ones with a preacher comparing religions. Super depressing.
@@onlineapologetics9729 An Atheist had to educate you about your own book - think about that for a moment.
Matt, this is probably the best show ever. I like the fact that you're accommodative. It's the first time I see, Dragnauct.
If he met Porky Pig, would he assume that he, himself, had been created by an animated character? That's a joke, one as ridiculous as the caller.
I love when Matt says: I SWEAR OF GOD!! His patience has ran out at that point
sounds like charlie browns teacher
Wawa waw wah
Drag, hats off to you. This was cool.
in quantum physics, you can shoot a stream of particles at a barrier that the particles cannot normally pass through... if you shoot enough particles, some of them will end up on the other side of the barrier. They do not "pass through" the barrier, they don't make a hole, or jump over, or burrow under, or slide around the end of the barrier. They do not in any way actually intersect matter to matter with the barrier, they simply end up on the other side.
The "reason" this happens is because we cannot measure the exact position of a particle any closer than a certain amount, and this then MUST extend to an actual property of the particle... ie: it's not just that WE can't measure it any closer, it's that it CANNOT BE measured any closer, and therefore, the particle can't be said to be on one side or the other of the barrier (until we look and see which side it's on) the best we can do is to predict within a close order of magnitude, how many particles are likely to end up on the other side of the barrier.
Is this a "miracle"? Is it a type of physics we don't yet fully understand? There is no possible way to call it a miracle. It just is. It is the nature of quantum particles at that scale. Does it mean things in our macro world can pass through solid objects? NOPE.
Quantum physics does a lot of weird crap that seems like magic and miracles from our macro point of view, yet none of it is magic or miraculous.
If someone gets their freaking head out off and then gets up and starts walking ot is a zombie apocalypse....
But zombies need their brains.
At least we know that no religious person would be zombified in that case, because any disruption to the corpse's brain kills the zombie. They're not having one…
Hillarious! I grew up in a religious family. After i became a grown up and a dad i had different beliefs. My daughter was about 5 years old. She was hearing about Jesus. She was scared. She looked at me and asked "daddy, is jesus a zombie"? I still crack up at that to this day!
@Victor Smit It has been fixed, thank you. I don't often make errors like that.
Worms can have their heads cut off and can grow a new body, BOOM MIRACLE!!!
Matt I really enjoy you and Dragnauct together. You both work really well together. Also could you clue me in when I could call and speak with you too?
I know I'm JUST A LIL BIT LATE on this one, but that meme at the end had me laughing a little bit more than I thought I should have.
:)
Religion and it's delusional state of fantasy land!! Matt the man of reason and logic! Can't beat him or anyone else on the show..
Jesus’s tomb: The common procedure of Roman cruxifixction was leaving the body to rot on the cross until the smell became unbearable, then mass burial. The Bible does not reflect this.
Drag's eyebrows when the caller says he wants to discuss how evidence relates to miracles 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
"If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane." Robert G. Ingersoll
Old testicle:
*Deuteronomy 23;1 ESV*
_No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord._
New testicle:
*Matthew 19;12 ASV*
_For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it._
yahweh is not the author of confusion?
yahweh was on the side of those abolishing slavery?
*Ephesians 6;5 NLT*
_Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve christ._
*1 Timothy 6;1:* NIV
*1* _All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered._
@@Arkloyd
What is context.jpg
I could copy lines from harry potter and make them seem equally incoherent but if I did that it would be obvious to everyone I simply acted dishonestly, same thing here mate, but few will be kind enough to tell you, they will make up their mind and move on
@@Top_Cheeze I'd love to see somebody give me the context that could make deuteronomy 23;1 not contradict with matthew 19;12.
That would be like watching somebody make a squared circle!
I'd love to see the context that makes slavery moral, because then I would know that the person giving it to me was a psychopath to be avoided at all costs!
Would you like to know what else I'd like to see? What context makes both of the following true:
*Deuteronomy 5;8-9* _NIV_
*8* _“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below._ *9* _You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the lord your god, am a jealous god, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,_
*Deuteronomy 24;16* _NIV_
*16* _Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin._
"Context" is really the worst excuse christians give for their immoral holy book. You might as well just flat out tell someone they can't read at the third grade level that the passages were written in. So instead of bitching about me getting something wrong, why don't you get your foot out of your mouth, put your money there and tell me exactly how being a eunuch is good in one passage but not in another, how your evil god both punishes innocent people and does not, and how slavery isn't the horrible practice that humanity has known it to be since before the American Civil War.
While you're at it, I'd love to see you justify your god's gleeful indulgence of the evil and useless practice of torture. That should be a hoot.
Maybe you can explain the context of this passage:
*Genesis 38;6-10* _KJV_
*6* _And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar._ *7* _And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him._ *8* _And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother._ *9* _And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother._ *10* _And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also._
And in doing so, I'd like you to tell me why your god would kill somebody for a "crime" so small, insignificant, and petty that it wasn't even mentioned, then kill that guy's brother for not ejaculating inside his dead brother's -property- grieving widow when he was raping her as your god's evil laws demand…Yet your god didn't kill Hitler. I guess the Final Solution didn't displease yahweh enough, unlike that small, petty, unknown "crime" that er commited. You know, like working on Saturday or wearing mixed fabrics. Maybe he sat where a menstruating woman had sat? All those things are bad according to your fucked up narsasistic god of slavery and conquest rape. Working on Saturday carries the death penalty even now, according to your idiot demigod that thought that the heart does the brain's job, because it was just as ignorant as the men that invented it.
Can you tell me why your evil god accepted jephthah's offer of a human sacrifice? In what context was that moral?
@@Arkloyd excellent info presented, but you are educating to a wall unfortunately. "Let the blind, remain blind" book of Eric. Lol
@@sharonsmith1203 So true. No christian can keep an open mind where their scriptures and the promise of eternal life are concerned. When I finally read the bible with an open mind, I became an atheist.
Here we go again.
It would still be scientifically explained. And therefore be a science.
This discussion brought to mind the folks who see an image of a face in a piece of toast , or melted cheese or a cloud formation,etc., and jump to the conclusion that it is miraculously an image of Jesus or Mary but they have no verifiable images of the actual Jesus or Mary for comparison. Even if the images were of actual people there is no possible way to confirm who those people were.
Dragnauct? If that aint the coolest damn name that has ever been.
Deadpool would disagree with you.
To me the "ressurection" anecdote, is sometthing they add to the story to captivate the gullible audience. Have a nice day!
I love how we're meant to pity Thomas whom after watching someone get tortured to death wants to then confirm that person is alive again by poking the holes of the wounds that helped lead to that death...
Thomas wasn’t there to see Jesus crucified
The caller really should be a tap dancer he would be the king.
I believe Olive Oyl is the girlfriend of Popeye.
But I don't believe spinach gives you special powers.
@TickerTaallick
Funny
Dragnauct Sylvas.
It's from the future.
It's from the past.
Cyberpunk Pirate.
Awesome name.
"It is our duty to expose the Bible. We must continue to tell the truth about the Bible. We must continue to enlighten the people. And if after the true facts are known, there are some who still insist the Bible is good enough for them, they are welcome to it."
Joseph Lewis
4:15 sounds logically impossible, since any demonstration of the supernatural would require natural forces to demonstrate it, rendering that thing not supernatural. Logically you would need a supernatural cause to demonstrate a supernatural event, or test in order to meet this standard/criteria, making it a self-defeating proposition.
Matt, what are we going to do without you? That caller kept going back to his same old argument after you had resolved it so many times before. I really don’t know how you do it. Unfortunately, my patience is almost nil. I say thank you to you as a token of my appreciation.
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I have a friend that is a big time fanatic, I mean 30 years bible study, teaches Sunday school, you name it. He sells insurance, my degrees are in science. We go thru this stuff a lot. When it comes to religion its like every bit of common sense is just out the window...... I finally told him a few days ago , I dont think you understand exactly the full weight of the argument your putting forth here, Do you realize that in order for the Biblical story to be true, that magic and the super natural has to be real. That means that Voo Doo has to be real. THAT got his attention......LOL These guys are just amazing. I ask him to show me one thing in the world that religion has cured, or solved, and of course he couldn't do it. Then he turned the question on me, I sighted Polio, Smallpox, Whooping Cough, Tuberculosis, ,,,and ask him if I should go own. The next thing he told me was,,,I know a lot more about the Bible than you do. I told him of course you do, you spent 30 years studying it. Ive spent a few months here researching it on your recommendation and we obviously didn't arrive at the same conclusion. But its not because you spent more time on it. I dont have to go all the way to the bottom of a well before I realize im in a hole, I knew it was a waste of time from the start because the whole story is bust without magic. I was actually surprised the mistakes and errors are so obvious and people still believe them. To be quite honest with you, I think your pissed off that you wasted 30 years of your life on something that I have proven to you is nothing but a fairy tale. The only thing I can tell you is, your not alone.......But please stop teaching our kids that the earth was created by a magic man who lives in the sky, and it was done less than 10,000 years ago. Unless you can prove that then your teaching a lie because I have proven to you that its much older. He has had all kinds of problems answering my questions, Slavery threw him a curve he cant seen yo answer....... I tell you folks, I'm convinced 90% of the big believer out there really dont know whats in there own book.......My bet is I lost a friend, but if his thinking is so far out in left field as to not see the logic here,,,I'm just not too upset about the loss......
It’s just a story… no matter how many times you read it or how much you learn about it. It is a story.
Good for you. Maybe you planted a seed in his mind (not a mustard seed LOL).
Show your friend, or exfriend these quotes by Carl Sagan =
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves - that we've been (taken.) so credulous. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. (So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.)” - Carl Sagan (in other words, when someone is “In Too Deep” they no longer care about the truth. Instead, they care more about keeping that lie/belief alive)
“Think of how many religions attempt to validate themselves with prophecy. Think of how many people rely on these prophecies, however vague, however unfulfilled, to support or prop up their beliefs. Yet has there ever been a religion with the prophetic accuracy and reliability of science?” - Carl Sagan
Love his name.
I cooked dinner for 10 people and they all liked it..
It was truly a MIRACLE!😃
It took me a second to recognize Drag with a shirt on ;-)
Huh? What is this in reference to?
@@mider-spanman5577 In Drag's own youtube channel he doesn't wear shirts in some videos
10 years in and you still get the same questions. Never give up guise. Religion can be put to bed. But it will take many generations.
Religion will likely get us all knocked off before many generations pass.
That's the hope right? Unfortunately, neurotheology disagrees with you. (And me)
I think he's more like 14 years deep in this game
@@robsaxepga
Some people may have strong predispositions, but that doesn't mean environmental influences can't overpower them
@@gregorsamsa1364 I ment my time investment into their programing. Sorry I should have been more specific.
That feeling when your god is so all powerful, he needs willfully ignorant followers to prove his existence for him because it’s too difficult for him to do.
The graph at the end is very funny
Dragnauct Sylvas sounds like a name out of Dungeons and Dragons
Don`t like the real thing, likes only fantasy, afraid of a landslide, escape from reality, NOT open his eyes, ..............
Look up to the sky
@@colormerob You nailed it ..............
@@colormerob it's blue. A bit cloudy.
@@colormerobmama ... Uwuuu 😂
Matt: "This is the thing you're missing out on...", Yeah, A Brain!
Co-host is very calm and sweet.
wow, i wish i could have been answering this guy!!! he is such an easy shoot down !!! on all points !!
"I think we need a palette cleansing after that."
Best closing lines ever.
So can anyone explain what "supernatural" actually means? Is it synonymous with unexplained?
@John Z Saying "Supernatural is something what is not natural" it is like explaining what is "BIG" is by saying "Well, BIG is something that is not small". Great explanation.
simple, super = above, so it means above natural
I would say it is the universe that came from nothing.... It is a bigger miracle /more supernatural than the universe came from someone/intelligence
Supernatural means something not subject to the laws and limits of nature. Inexplicable is unexplained.
@@dinxpe6592 and you would be wrong...in assuming the universe came from nothing. Been debunked.
I get a big chuckle out of Matt Dillahunty when he hangs up on religious wackos because they are too much for a sane and logical person to deal with anymore.
this guy is a better tap dancer than mr Bill Bojangles Robinson
Dragnauct should take over from Matt.
Matt has reached the limit of his patience, give this man a break :):):)
I would say his level of skeptisim is inconsistant. It goes up for aliens and I assume for similar accounts to christianity in other religions like fullfilled prophecies, yet goes down for this ressurection event.
I just haven't looked into alien abduction stories, I wouldn't just assume the person was lying.
I applied those same investigative criteria to the New Testament, albeit from the perspective of a historical investigation.
Rape and murder, yikes.
Even if I did delete your ridiculous comments intentionally (which I didn't) that is a wildly inappropriate accusation.
@@onlineapologetics9729 With a name like "Online Apologetics" it's hard to believe you're seriously open to new information and changing your mind on this subject, but I digress.
Who said anything about the dishonesty of those telling personal abduction stories? You're missing the point. I don't doubt that many of the people claiming they were abducted have a story to tell and believe they're relaying their experience honestly. They experienced *something*. Maybe they wrote it down, made a video about it, or told the local news. How do WE verify their claims and find out if they are true? What evidence would YOU accept to convince you of their abduction story? When you figure that out you'll be closer to understanding why I don't believe your claims about a resurrected deity.
That's how religions work.
A person can be intelligent, thoughtful and reasonable, but religions have mechanisms built in to fight against reason.
Concepts like faith, miracles and 'supernatural'.
I'm fairly intelligent, but my teachers taught me that Christianity was true, even without good reason.
For a long time I was angry about such dishonerable abuse of their trusted position, until I came to see that they had largely been tricked using the same methods.
Hey, for any theists in the future-- I haven't seen anyone die today.
great talks...
If Jesus if alive, where does he live? According to the Bible only souls go to heaven. So why did Jesus needed to be resurrected, if his soul is in heaven?
To prove He was who He said He was. Anyone can make miraculous claims, but He backed it up.
Jesus sits on his own right hand in heaven.
Do either of you have any proof of the claims you made? It's kinda a worthless sacrifice if you come back to life. Wouldn't that void the sacrifice if you didn't stay dead?
@@hambone8820 you need to read what I said and understand it then change your reply. 😊
@@dinxpe6592 Then where's the EVIDENCE?
You said 'prove', but can't even offer up reputable evidence.
Try again.
This dude hasn't read his Bible haha
In the same vein toward the end, when Matt explains "A tomb with Jesus's body ", reminds me of something a theist told me earlier in '19 (Merry Christmas) when I asked what evidence he had. He said "I can prove Jesus resurrected. We found an empty tomb" ..... yep..... Jesus Christ alright...
@NathanFree84
Well it makes sense cause there were Roman guards there to guard the tomb,but even then Jesus wasn’t there.Also Merry Christmas
I love when their first evidence for 'an all-powerful space wizard' is 'a room with nothing in it'.
There's a Jesus-shaped hole in your... Jerusalem.
The caller isn't even listening he's locked in defense mode and he lives in the land of if and suppose and maybe
If miracles happened all the time, then they wouldn't be miracles, they would just be unexplained phenomena. They would only be called miraculous because they don't happen normally.
That was my whole point in calling, thank you!!!!
I don't like the word miracle, it's such a loose term. It's actual meaning is tied to the supernatural but people use it to describe lots of things. So because it's linked to the supernatural it's a nothing word for me.
@@DM-gs1le I agree. That's why I didn't say anything about the possible causes of reported events called "miracles". I'm also not talking about a common usage of miracle meaning, unexpected or rarely happens, like " My boss agreed with me! It's a miracle!"
For what theists would call miracles, for example, if it was common for people to resurrect after being dead for 3 days, regardless of the explanation for all these resurrections, then someone resurrecting would not be called a miracle.
As for supernatural, it's a meaningless term. By definition, anything that actually occurs (i.e in nature) is natural. Supernatural can only mean an unknown natural answer, or that it doesn't exist. If ghosts, psychic powers, magic, etc. actually exist in reality, they would be natural.
Brian Monks
Exactly, if it could be investigated scientifically, it is in the universe. Science cannot tell wether or not a mind is governing the laws of physics
@TickerTaallick well said.
The Bible could easily confirm itself by containing reliable information about geology, geography, astronomy, basic science, or any information not available to the originating people at the time. As Sagan put it in his novel “Contact,” “faith is a damn sloppy way to run a universe.”
I loved the way Carl Sagan spoke. Have to look for some of his material on the internet. If there is one person that influenced my way of thinking it is Carl Sagan. "The Pale Blue Dot"
Willie Van Straaten
The universe had a beginning:
“In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.”
Genesis 1:1 ESV
The earth is three dimensional (circle-khug or vault) and "hangs on nothing"
“He stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth on nothing.”
Job 26:7 ESV
“It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;”
Isaiah 40:22 ESV
The material universe will come to and end, and are subject to the same law of decay as clothing
“Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will change them like a robe, and they will pass away,”
Psalms 102:25-26 ESV
The universe is made out of invisible particles (they take it on faith in the 1st century and were right)
“By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.”
Hebrews 11:3 ESV
@@onlineapologetics9729 Yes hundreds of years ago the gods even your god was the answer to every thing, because of a lack of understanding and knowledge. As we understand more and can explain more superstition find it hard to keep its footing. Sorry but for me the Old Testament you are quoting is exactly that, the Old Testament that had meaning when people were close minded but still needed answers. The easiest answer was God.
@@onlineapologetics9729 That's a hell of a lot of interpretation and a stretch to make those passages try and fit science. It says nothing about atomic particles, it is talking about the universe being created by a supernatural god.
You are not only being dishonest and are trying to fool everyone else but also yourself.
@@TheTruthKiwi all theists, by default, is dishonest. How else can they maintain their belief given all the scientific breakthroughs we have made.
Is it possible Jesus survived the crucifixion ?? and goes by the name Matt Dillahunty
Dragnauct is such a great name.
I haven’t heard a single Christian argument that wasn’t already ripped to shreds by the year 1985. It’s just the same old shit over and over.
I heard a pretty interesting one (still completely bonkers, but not as offensive to one's intellect:) What if everything that happened in the old testament didn't happen on earth? It never actually says "planet earth," or "terra," or whatever we call it nowadays. This person was saying, everything could have been occurring on (on in?) some parallel planet or universe, so we can't be expected to find evidence here on our planet. Like I say, still kuku-bananas. But at least, it takes into account the zero evidence thing.
@@forallthestupidshit3550 Kooky, but you may as well infer that Bugs Bunny created the Cosmos if you are going to go down that road. Once you invite in parallel planet's and Universe's, nothing can be ruled out, no matter how frogshitted loop da woopy!!
@@andrewlockett4569 agreed. Anytime your claim is uncheckable by design or definition, anything goes.
I think there was a bit of miscommunication here. The caller had obviously read up a bit on science and got a bit held up about the idea of ' replicating '. In terms of a science project trying to prove a theory or even hold up a hypothesis replication is important ....So anyone can follow the ideas set out by the original scientist and it will end up with the same result. IE, they replicate the experiment and end up with the same results and conclusion.
I think the caller was think of ' replication ' as just people seeing the same result ( even if we take these 'observations' as true ).
Just my opinion :)
Correct, I was trying to understand why it is Matt and Dragnauct insist upon empirical evidence for the resurrection, while saying that it didn't have to be a repeated event.
@@onlineapologetics9729 Did the Universe have to begin repeatedly in order to leave the empirical evidence that supports the Big Bang model? Empirical evidence just needs to be observed, it doesn't have to be repeatable.
When I asked him if the resurrection would have to have happened later in history when it could be scientifically investigated, he said no.
@@onlineapologetics9729 the resurrection does not need to "happen later in history when it could be scientifically investigated" in order to leave empirical evidence, just like the origin of the Universe didn't have to. You are correct, that Matt was correct.
10:55 "Basically the evidence that you're presenting is SHIT!"
I've never died. If I had, that would make me typing out this message truly supernatural.
I love how Matt thinks but why does he have to be so quick tempered on this show? I've heard him say that he is indeed an 'asshole', but has also said that he wishes to learn and better himself. Being an 'asshole' in this regard is not a positive. He just jumps to this mode very quickly, EXCEPT towards his friends and co-hosts. Why doesn't he stay consistent and wish to change tactics?
Yeah he was real short fused today. Neither of the callers I've listened to on this particular show or remotely rude or doing anything wrong either and he was telling them to shut up. I would have hung the phone up if I were them. Imagine if the tables were turned and they were telling him to shut up. He needs to be better than this and I'm a huge fan of his too.
@ken thomas I get that. And I think Matt would understand that as well and handle it better. He seems just as combative as them and usually more so. His ego is destroying potentially good conversations.
@Timothy Mostad it still doesn't give him the right to talk down to another person like that. It was way over the top especially when the caller was respectful and polite. I don't even talk to my dogs that way let alone another person. No other host on this show would never act like that. Matt shouldn't get a free pass for being an asshole to people.
@Heleve Joergon being a decent person to others isn't that hard to do.
@@arthurfonzarelli9828 Tell that to the caller who kept dancing around questions, putting words in the hosts' mouths, and interrupting the living bejeebus out of them.
I may give a bare basic level of respect initially to people, but this caller has shown that he does not respect the hosts or reason by continuing to behave dishonesty and evasively. Nobody deserves respect, it must be earned.
"What evidence would confirm the Bible"? The same evidence that would confirm the Quran.
BroodallyHonest
What kind of evidence are you referring to?
Online Apologetics Verifiable evidence.
Verifiable in what way? Like objectively and empirically verifiable evidence?
Or would historical evidence be okay
Online Apologetics Empirically verifiable. If the people in the Bible got to see it with their own eyes, I should be able to see it with my own eyes.
BroodallyHonest
So you wouldn't be willing to believe that a miracle occurred on the testimony of another?
Let me start with my couple of cotcha questions to corner both of you … like they’ve never seen the show :-)
The Gospel account of Jesus resurrection is hilarious. He rose from the dead (no surprises yet) and then within weeks performed his last "miracle"; he (unrecognized by now because .. two weeks have passed...) points out to some fisherman (disciples) that the school of fish is on the other side of the boat; fish are caught and then they confirm that he must indeed be the "Lord" and Jesus whips up a beach barbeque (which is enjoyed by all apparently) and then later slopes off to ascend "unto Heaven".
How does anyone find this remotely convincing?? Seriously?