FYI to everyone. The PG32UQX perfoms differently depending on manufacturing date. All the previous issues from reviews are manufactured before 2023. If you get 2023 or newer, you're in for a much better experience.
Bruh, you forgot to mention a very important fact here. The Neo G8 is less than half of the price of the asus, this is a huge fact to skip. NOT A FAIR COMPARISON. 😂
great content as always man. Your videos got me to buy a PG32UQX from Amazon Warehouse for $980. I lucked out as the monitor came brand new! Really enjoying it so far so thanks!
Thank you. $980 is a steal. Yeah that's what I mentioned before, they can be had like new/open box for pretty decent prices so if HDR is what you're after nothing comes close.
I like the multiple dot bloom test much better than the roaming circle. You can really see algorithm performance and sheer bloom levels there. Agreed in one of the lower comments about more gaming content (similar to the OLED comparison video. There was a nice amount of gaming content there with different light levels). Nice video!
Thank you. Yeah I hear you guys, next video I'll get more games on camera. I'm just not happy with how some of the games are presented because of my camera but now I know most are perfectly ok with it so I'll make sure to include them next time.
Is there any chance of getting the ASUS PA32UCXR (an upgraded UQX for dimming zones!) in for a comparison between the PG32UQX and also maybe a brighter ASUS OLED than the Samsung G8 OLED? I would really like to know how blacks and brightness compare! Great videos btw keep them coming, you have great potential! Maybe you could get one from ASUS in for review to take a look at? It looks incredible for specs, double the dimming zones 2304, dolby vision maybe not quite as bright and 60Hz panel only! For HDR movies/series and games though it should improve the picture quality a decent amount maybe, even less blooming with more detail to the picture?
@@hasanrazza1 Has the Red Magic One came out yet? 5088 dimming zones! Insane! 😛 He said he is going to get that one in when it gets released....hopefully it's not vaporware.....I hope they use an IPS black or ADS Pro panel for even better blacks! I don't want an OLED for a monitor. 😁
I mean yeah, the only step up from the UQX are those reference grading monitors that go for 30k+ If only the response time was decent, it would be the perfect monitor…
Thank you for going in depth on the PG32UQX properly. The Hardware Unboxed review was so disappointing. They got hung up on the hdmi port not being 2.0, and the price of course then barely ever mentioned it again. You never see it in their comparison charts for brightness or what not. Yeah, there's still nothing else like it on the market. I'll be using mine till it dies. NV's new auto-hdr AI filter makes even SDR games look incredible, so it's gotten even more legs to it since buying it.
If you watch Hardware Unboxed review of the Neo G7 he thought it was better than the UQX because it has deeper black levels, even though it had more suppressed highlights and for full screen brightness. Contrast is everything! That's why people normally are very happy even with a 600 nit OLED over even a very good bright LCD. IPS vs VA has different advantages and disadvantages, same with OLED. What's better for you may not be for someone else. But there is a reason why OLED is preferred in every major TV shootout year after year for a while now. There is just something about per pixel control that makes the picture super sharp, so nicer looking since it has no LD flaws and can show in every tiny crevice deep blacks in every part of the picture which gives it a much more consistent deeper black level making it look more 3D and life like. But it's interesting how close LCD with MiniLED + QD can get with a smaller screen and 1000+ zones. Maybe with 2000+ zones on a 32" could be close enough with a VA panel and a light wide angle layer to make the colours more uniform across the whole screen so there is no vignetting from viewing it up close but it might effect the picture negatively a bit, making it appear a little blurry from the wide angle layer but how much i'm not sure. Also highlights can get brighter on a VA panel I believe with the same amount of blooming compared to IPS/ADS. I believe that's why Samsung and others use a curved display but most people would prefer a flat screen for also watching movies/series. This is definitely a super impressive display though that seems like it gets mighty close to at least that Samsung G8 OLED for black levels. The RedMagic 5088 zone 27" shows you can use more zones for possibly even better blacks in smaller parts of the screen, but how well it does to this we'll have to wait and see for a comparison. 😀 Brightness really needs to be limited alot to maintain better blacks in tiny crevices and the like but then you lose that MiniLED brightness advantage to maintain better OLED like blacks so it needs to be balanced and not too restricted in the right places. 😃
The only gripe I have with the PG32UQX is the price. For $2400+ brand new you could just buy a high end TV on a black friday discount like an LG G4 or Samsung S90D which actually offer a real HDR experience unlike OLED monitors. Yes I know those are TV's and not monitors and some people don't want to plop a 55 inch display on their desk. But if you are after a great HDR experience then a high end TV can stack up against the PG32UQX for a similar, if not lower price.
Price is a big issue. I hope the BenQ model with $1199 MSRP comes much closer to bridging the performance gap than the Innocn 32" which for me frankly doesn't even come close.
If you already go TV route then a higher end Miniled TV has even more contrast and brightness than PG32UQX. Ofc then size is a "big" issue (some model don't has one < 65 inches, or 55 inches version has way less dimming zones)
I wonder how do the g0sd compares sa with samsung qn90d 43 inch. The qn90d were give very good reviews by digital trends and rtings especially when it comes to hdr contents and usability as a pc monitor.
@@lamjk10 How are you finding it? I have the 43" qn90b, I found it can be made to look almost like an OLED with its very high contrast VA panel! It just can't quite reach the same brightness for small highlights in darker scenes. Also viewing angles could be improved with a light wide angle layer maybe...so colours are more consistent across the screen, so the edges of the screen look like the center area.
For the price of the G8, you’re better off to pay extra for the Asus. No point in spending that much just to go half way in terms of performance and quality.
The G7 is more comparable (165 vs 144Hz) and that is almost half the price. Personally i'd rather the much higher quality, accuracy and much brighter ASUS! There are alot of similar options coming though for much cheaper from BenQ, Philips, FFalcon, etc...with 1152 zones and 1400+ nits. There are already some reviews out for them. But none are showing them in real content like this, mainly just the numbers and graphs....I hate when they just do that. I want to see what those numbers mean, how does it translate to real content (after tone mapping...tone mapping can really change the overall picture compared to the measurements depending on the manufacturer). 😄
@@cogthusiast1150 Prices have almost halved where I am. And if the performance is as good as they say it might be worth it now. But only if you really want the absolute best of the best, are willing to pay for it and you really don't want an OLED. OLED for a monitor is a no go for me and i'm sure many others. It seems to perform very close to an OLED for blacks and even smaller to larger highlights are brighter and more accurate, it's so good that it's only the tiniest of highlights it can't quite match. Almost everything else is better! Motion could be better but for a casual gamer it should be fine. If you compare it to something similar, like the 43' Samsung QN90D for $AU1800 and the 32" ASUS for $AU2700 ATM it doesn't seem too bad for that beastly performance. You should get much better colour in everything but especially in darker scenes where Samsung dims the scene more which makes them look more dull. Much more dimming zones! 1152/360 = 3.2 times the dimming zones and these are even smaller dimming zones since it's a smaller screen size, so performance is even higher! So alot more accurate shadow detail while maintaining colour vibrancy! And hardly any blooming! And of course brightness that can't be matched! 1700/1200 nits for small highlights/full screen. That's MicroLED territory, in fact, that's even better! MicroLED is about 1800/800 or 2000/500. No OLED gives you that, not even MicroLED!!! The brightest OLED, the S95D can only give a max of 1700/300 and that's only in isolated test windows, not in real scenes, we'll see.... So when you think about how much you need to spend to get just a little better performance for all electronics, it isn't that bad now. And that stable LD performance seems almost at Sony level or maybe even better! This is a HDR mastering monitor after all !!!!!!!!!!! But way cheaper than the 30,000 pound 1000/1000 Sony. We do need an updated version maybe though with an even faster IPS screen or maybe a VA panel tuned to get really fast response times for even better blacks, but viewing angles and colour would suffer (but they could use a light wide angle layer and over saturate brighter colours to match IPS performance), those are the only things that could be clearly improved upon. But this seems the closest to that saying....best of both worlds you can get. Not perfect but nothing is, I would never use an OLED for a monitor with so many static elements. I would love to see this in person next to an OLED so I can know for sure though.
@@cogthusiast1150 When you consider what else is out there, it doesn't seem too bad now on discount. Did you get my last reply, it seems it was deleted.....curious? If you disagree then write why, no need to delete comments or it could be stupid google AI labeling my comment as wrong think....hate speech....lol.
@@cogthusiast1150 Does anything come close when you consider it's brightness, amount of dimming zones in a 32" and performance in a LCD monitor? Like Solace says it's pretty close for black depth to OLED and smashes it in brightness and no burn-in worry. As an OLED monitor you would think would be a no go. I just don't think they will last as long.
wow the Asus absolutely destroyed the g8. If you ever have the opportunity, can you give us a side by side comparison of the Innocn m2v vs the pg32uqx?
What settings were used on the G8? The black crush and over saturation makes it look like contrast enhancer is on or black equalizer is cranked up. I have a ~3 month old Neo G7 that doesn't exhibit any black crush (2nd square on lagom and 0.5% visible on test slides) and i'd call it anything but over saturated, until contrast enhancer is enabled. Thanks for the comparisons, love the format.
Just local dimming high, contrast enhancer destroys image quality and is definitely off. The black crush is content/APL dependent. Like I said this monitor behaves completely different in test slides vs actual content. Thank you, appreciate it.
Just realised you didn't use much game footage on this one compared to the Samsung QD-OLED comparison. Could you include more game footage like that video would be great! Like Dead Space, the Jedi one, Cyber Punk, etc...to show how much shadow detail and highlights gets crushed on the Neo G8.
1 Month later, there is finally a new king on the block in EU, and a true competitor to the Asus PG32UQX. TCL just released their new line of miniLED monitors, the 27R83U and the 34R83Q. Both are HDR 1400 VESA Certified, and can get over 2000 nits bright in 50%-75% windows, and even up to 2000 nits peak in 100% windows! They do go down to 1200 nits after 30 minutes of full white HDR images, while also having great pixel response time and they cost 800 euro. Has the PG32UQX finally been dethroned?
What's truly sad is that the PG32UQX has been literally discontinued here, with whatever units remaining costing in excess of 5000 euro. I think we need more G-Sync Ultimate miniLED monitors.
I don't think it will be around much longer here in North America either. Its super long in the tooth. Next year will be 4 years since it became available.
@@DrakonR just look up any formal review of this monitor, they all mark it down for its motion performance. It also has no HDMI 2.1, so forget about console gaming.
@@cogthusiast1150 People use TVs for console gaming, also this is an HDR monitor meaning you won't be buying it for competitive shooter levels of motion clarity. it's good enough for the games it's meant for and most importantly best HDR on the market.
@@cogthusiast1150 Which review? earlier models (most reviews) had a problem with motion but the later ones seemed to have all those problems fixed (the least number of reviews on them). Just watch reviews on youtube that are about 2 years ago and newer, the motion looks great! No complaints! HDMI 2.1 is only for external devices that can do 120Hz @ 4K, most console games can only do 1080 @ 120Hz (performance) and 4K @ 60Hz (quality). So I think you're good! I don't think most people would use a PC monitor for console gaming anyway....but you could. I mean if it doesn't work for a rare game set the quality to something else until it works. Maybe Solace could test some console gaming on it? 😀
Hi! Great comparison, I just stumbled over your video and I have to say: you deserve more followers 👏🏻 Just one request: any chance that you will compare the Asus PG32UQX with its successor, the PG32UQXR? Looking at the specs, it seems like Asus reduced the dimming zones to 576 zones... maybe they made it intentionally worse to avoid inhouse-competition for their OLED lineup?
Thanks, I appreciate it. I want to compare the two in the future. Most don't really consider the UQXR a successor but rather a more affordable alternative. Like you said it is down in specs in two key areas, zone count and no hardware Gsync module for the local dimming. It's only real advantage is that it is using a faster panel in terms of pixel response. Not sure if you've noticed but there is very little coverage of the monitor mainly because it and its sister model the Acer X32, are pretty mediocre overall.
@@SolaceinScrutiny thanks for the quick response. Yes, I was looking for a high end Mini LED HDR monitor and saw that there's no reviews or media coverage about the PG32UQXR... I really think they made it intentionally worse... can you tell me if Gsync Ultimate still matters in 2024 or if Gsync Compatible nowaydays is enough? I also read somewhere that the PG32UQXR has a very loud fan despite the Lack of a Gsync module... is your PG32UQX loud as well?
The Gsync module is the main reason why the PG32UQX's local dimming is so good. These 576 zone monitors local dimming is less effective without the module. Yes, I've read people receiving units with very loud fans which was also an issue with the early PG32UQX units. My PG32UQX is dead quiet and I can only hear the fan if I put my head near the back of the monitor. I think it's just poor quality control. Maybe some units have poor contact with whatever heatsink the fan is attached to, etc.
@@SolaceinScrutiny Interesting... is there a way to find out when your PG32UQX was built? I would look on the used market then and buy one... when did you buy yours?
Are both monitors full brightness , or u capped the brightness on the Asus like last time ? Cuz the difference between the 2 monitors is not as drastic as the comparison u made with the oled , that one was eye opening how dim the oled was compared to the Asus
Yes full brightness. Most of the content is medium APL so the Neo G8's 600nits compared to like 320 of the OLED makes a big difference in brightness. If the OLED's "Peak Brightness" setting is set to medium though so that highlights no longer hit 1000nits, it gets much brighter in these kind of scenes. Overall I don't think the brightness difference between G8 LCD and OLED is big enough to warrant buying the LCD in 2024.
I just recently purchased the Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 and even at full brightness with all this monitor settings at the max I find it extremely dim in SDR and HDR, not even hitting 300 nits full screen, my older 1080p monitor from over a decade ago would be way brighter with more than 400 nits full screen, it's picture was more vibrant than this display, you would think Samsung would make the Neo G8 more brighter and vibrant since it is a high end gaming monitor but that's not the case, hopefully this can be fixed in a firmware.
@@DrakonR Oh really, what a shame, I might have to sell it, it's a little too dim playing games in SDR & HDR during the day with ambient light around and with all the settings on the monitor set to max
@@robertobuatti7226 I hear ya. There's some budget miniLED options out there like innocn or KTC that get much brighter, but the osd isn't the best and they come with their own set of quirks. Hopefully we see more miniLED hit the market later this year.
Based on what I've measured I think the backlight is extremely inefficient. At 1200nits full field the PG32UQX is only drawing 30w more than the Neo G8 at 350nits so Samsung limiting its brightness has to be some heat management concern.
That is the goal really. I just need some measurement equipment and a better setup before I feel confident in providing data. I feel like there are a lot of reviewers who provide objective data but they lack subjectivity because they don't really use the displays, they just measure and move on to the next.
Nice detailed comparison, the Neo G8 is such a scam monitor :O, HDR "2000" maybe in 1 scene for 1 second :=). Its Real scene HDR Brightness is = 422 cd/m² + the dimming algorithm doesnt work properly. Meanwhile the pg32uqx hits like 1700+ cd/m². Im sure even the acer Predator x27 and the pg27uq will blow the Neo G8 out of the water :=)
I hate how Samsung is allowed to straight up lie to consumers about the HDR capabilities of their monitors ("Quantum HDR 2000"..."Quantum must mean "B.S."). I have a Neo G7, and it is ok, but my Innocn 27m2v is much better IMO (for P.C., not console...the Innocn's HDR through HDMI is broken. This is ESPECIALLY noticeable with the PS5. Maybe later firmware fixes this, but Innocn doesn't realease downloadable updates ).
@@timholt78 Yeah from what I can work out the Quantum HDR rating means something like approx Contrast performance (Sony has Contrast Booster...) so if your display is a Mini-LED that can reach just over 1000 nits while maintaining deep blacks it's rated as approx HDR1500....but other ones that can reach 2000-3000 nits (accurate-vivid mode) are rated HDR2000..... 🤪 So HDR2000 for 1200 nits max in real scenes with crushed blacks.....HDR2000 maybe? 🤷♂😄
The review I saw of this was pretty bad I hope they can fix it in firmware....just shockingly bad! Check this review on it's shocking back-light performance B7n45RvD8_4.
you never showed us the OSD settings being used. I seen G8 being 10x brighter than what you are showing. did you set the G8 to 10% brightness? also, how come you didn't do the ghosting test? the Asus monitor is like 5x slower than the G8, so is the input lag. this is misinformation.
The Samsung has local dimming set to high, that's it. Everything else is how its normally configured when the OSD detects an HDR signal. The reality is that it's not a very bright monitor. It's so dim in fact I think it trades blows with the G80SD QD-OLED counterpart.
I have the Neo G7 and have not been that impressed (it is no longer my daily driver). I will say that, out of the 3 mini-leds I own (Neo G7, Innocn 27m2v, and LG 27gr95um), the Samsung looks the best(HDR) for consoles to my eyes. However, for P.C., I overall prefer the L.G. the most(took a while for it to grow on me due to annoying dimming issues in HDR), then the Innocn(still has the best peak highlights of the 3 IMO), and then the Neo G7.
@@TheWancer ya, the price sucks and we're all patiently waiting for more miniLED in the monitor market in NA. The Asus goes on sale for 40% off periodically which makes it easier to swallow considering the QD-OLED sells for $1900 new. So paying the extra for way more visual performance and no risk of burn in is a better deal.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Yeah the newest 32" 240Hz OLED Asus monitor is the same price here in Aus around $AU2750. And the Neo G7 is about $AU1400, $AU1800 for the G8. The UQX seems like a more premium product, but better than the Asus OLED? Depends on what you want to use it for....still expensive for a 32" monitor no matter what you decide, they are both premium type ones though compared to the Samsungs, it's maybe not bad for bang for your buck. If only it really reached 2000+ nits for highlights and 600+ nits full screen with little to no black crush and mid-tone raise. It could have been such a beastly monitor! Serious contrast from the VA panel, shadow detail and brightness! I hope they release another better one to replace this one.
yet another reason why Samsung is a joke. Let us not forget their trash QC quality, and how they lie and make up their own specs. Samsung monitors exist only to look good on paper, and anyone buys them deserve what they get. Furthermore, the Asus is GSYNC Ultimate, and it isn't the Samsung model and it's obvious here. Really appreciate the work you're doing in this space, Solace.
Asus looks better but if something is wrong, dealing with asus is just pure unadulterated aids. I was considering getting a miniled instead of the oled but then I realized miniled is completely useless for gaming :/ and the haloing makes it crap for movies too. Because of these I just don't understand the selling point of miniled....?
Samsung isn't great for warranty either.. miniLED is great for gaming.. no issues gaming competitive or cinematic. Bloom and halo depends on the brand as both of these displays perform great for movies, with the Asus being even better. I have an 85"X95K miniLED TV and blooming isn't an issue at all in content. Ignorance is bliss.
I have 2 OLEDS (LG C1 and the "DWF" version of the Alienware 21:9 OLED) and 3 mini-leds (Innocn 27m2v, Samsung 32" Neo G7, and the LG 27gr95um). 9 times out of 10, I prefer mini-leds while gaming (especially an IPS mini-led). I find the higher brightness to be more impactful for HDR (and SDR for that matter).
Nice but could the Neo G8 be made better by adjusting Black Equaliser or Blacks or whatever it is and also Colour to be a closer match? That might increase the brightness a bit for highlights and APL. Viktors reality uses Contrast Enhancer and Black Equaliser to get a closer match to an OLED. Could that help with the brightness? ruclips.net/video/JBz5lHiqNJ0h/видео.htmlttps://ruclips.net/video/JBz5lHiqNJ0/видео.html His settings are in the description. Could you put yours in the description as well would be helpful.
Both of those settings are horrific. The monitor already doesn't at all follow HDR EOTF as seen here with my measurements: imgur.com/a/u7Fxzcu It under brightens and crushes dark detail and way over brightens highlights which can be visible in some of the HDR demo's I recorded. Samsung seems to have done this intentionally for that "OLED" contrasty look so adding contrast enhancer on top of that just makes things worse as does black equalizer.
@@SolaceinScrutiny Damn. Is there any way of correcting it? like on my samsung qn90b Shadow Detail for black level and Gamma ST.2084 for mid-tones. I use for FMM ST -2 SD -1 to correct the over brightened curve. 😀
It only has preset gamma settings. One over brightens further and the other crushes dark detail more. It's not like your QN90B that runs Tizen OS which gives you far more granular control.
@@SolaceinScrutiny That sucks, it doesn't even have a black level (something like the brightness setting on TVs) to raise the blacks even? And it only has 300 nits max full screen white? Why so limiting I wonder? With so many dimming zones, it just doesn't need to be especially the black crushing. Just means less contrast if the APL is super raised all the time, the highlights can't stick out like they should or do they with the over brightened curve in darker scenes at least but then for brighter scenes they can't? so it's nowhere near ideal and for brightness they must have capped it since my qn90b can get 600 nits full screen and 1100 for highlights....compared to 1100/470 for the neo g8 makes no sense..... On RTings review it says they had to use LD Low to get the best curve and it got more brightness out of the monitor as well, less black crush, mid-tone raise and 470 nits instead of 300 on LD High. Have you tried LD Low? Might be worth a shot. 😀Maybe the highlights aren't as bright but more accurate?
@@SolaceinScrutiny According to the tomshardware review it says that the Neo G8 follows EOTF pretty closely with these settings for HDR... "Custom (Mode) is still the best choice. Leave the color temp on Normal and gamma on Mode 1." Page 1 has SDR calibration settings. What settings did you use for the Neo G8? Also for the ASUS? TH says to use Racing Mode for the most accurate everything, pretty much calibrated. 😀
FYI to everyone. The PG32UQX perfoms differently depending on manufacturing date. All the previous issues from reviews are manufactured before 2023. If you get 2023 or newer, you're in for a much better experience.
Bruh, you forgot to mention a very important fact here. The Neo G8 is less than half of the price of the asus, this is a huge fact to skip. NOT A FAIR COMPARISON. 😂
It's still near the 1000 mark, unacceptable performance for that money. Literal 300 bucks mini-LED monitors hit higher brightness than that.
great content as always man. Your videos got me to buy a PG32UQX from Amazon Warehouse for $980. I lucked out as the monitor came brand new! Really enjoying it so far so thanks!
Thank you. $980 is a steal. Yeah that's what I mentioned before, they can be had like new/open box for pretty decent prices so if HDR is what you're after nothing comes close.
I like the multiple dot bloom test much better than the roaming circle. You can really see algorithm performance and sheer bloom levels there. Agreed in one of the lower comments about more gaming content (similar to the OLED comparison video. There was a nice amount of gaming content there with different light levels). Nice video!
Thank you. Yeah I hear you guys, next video I'll get more games on camera. I'm just not happy with how some of the games are presented because of my camera but now I know most are perfectly ok with it so I'll make sure to include them next time.
Great content. I am seriously considering getting a 2nd hand PG32UQX due to your videos.
Is there any chance of getting the ASUS PA32UCXR (an upgraded UQX for dimming zones!) in for a comparison between the PG32UQX and also maybe a brighter ASUS OLED than the Samsung G8 OLED? I would really like to know how blacks and brightness compare! Great videos btw keep them coming, you have great potential! Maybe you could get one from ASUS in for review to take a look at? It looks incredible for specs, double the dimming zones 2304, dolby vision maybe not quite as bright and 60Hz panel only! For HDR movies/series and games though it should improve the picture quality a decent amount maybe, even less blooming with more detail to the picture?
Same man. I just want to know if anything has beat this monitor or come close lol
@@hasanrazza1 Has the Red Magic One came out yet? 5088 dimming zones! Insane! 😛 He said he is going to get that one in when it gets released....hopefully it's not vaporware.....I hope they use an IPS black or ADS Pro panel for even better blacks!
I don't want an OLED for a monitor. 😁
I mean yeah, the only step up from the UQX are those reference grading monitors that go for 30k+
If only the response time was decent, it would be the perfect monitor…
Thank you for going in depth on the PG32UQX properly. The Hardware Unboxed review was so disappointing. They got hung up on the hdmi port not being 2.0, and the price of course then barely ever mentioned it again. You never see it in their comparison charts for brightness or what not.
Yeah, there's still nothing else like it on the market. I'll be using mine till it dies. NV's new auto-hdr AI filter makes even SDR games look incredible, so it's gotten even more legs to it since buying it.
It seems that IPS with miniled does a lot better job than VA for some reason due to better highlight specular and less shadow clipping.
If you watch Hardware Unboxed review of the Neo G7 he thought it was better than the UQX because it has deeper black levels, even though it had more suppressed highlights and for full screen brightness. Contrast is everything! That's why people normally are very happy even with a 600 nit OLED over even a very good bright LCD. IPS vs VA has different advantages and disadvantages, same with OLED. What's better for you may not be for someone else. But there is a reason why OLED is preferred in every major TV shootout year after year for a while now. There is just something about per pixel control that makes the picture super sharp, so nicer looking since it has no LD flaws and can show in every tiny crevice deep blacks in every part of the picture which gives it a much more consistent deeper black level making it look more 3D and life like. But it's interesting how close LCD with MiniLED + QD can get with a smaller screen and 1000+ zones. Maybe with 2000+ zones on a 32" could be close enough with a VA panel and a light wide angle layer to make the colours more uniform across the whole screen so there is no vignetting from viewing it up close but it might effect the picture negatively a bit, making it appear a little blurry from the wide angle layer but how much i'm not sure. Also highlights can get brighter on a VA panel I believe with the same amount of blooming compared to IPS/ADS. I believe that's why Samsung and others use a curved display but most people would prefer a flat screen for also watching movies/series. This is definitely a super impressive display though that seems like it gets mighty close to at least that Samsung G8 OLED for black levels. The RedMagic 5088 zone 27" shows you can use more zones for possibly even better blacks in smaller parts of the screen, but how well it does to this we'll have to wait and see for a comparison. 😀 Brightness really needs to be limited alot to maintain better blacks in tiny crevices and the like but then you lose that MiniLED brightness advantage to maintain better OLED like blacks so it needs to be balanced and not too restricted in the right places. 😃
The only gripe I have with the PG32UQX is the price. For $2400+ brand new you could just buy a high end TV on a black friday discount like an LG G4 or Samsung S90D which actually offer a real HDR experience unlike OLED monitors. Yes I know those are TV's and not monitors and some people don't want to plop a 55 inch display on their desk. But if you are after a great HDR experience then a high end TV can stack up against the PG32UQX for a similar, if not lower price.
Price is a big issue. I hope the BenQ model with $1199 MSRP comes much closer to bridging the performance gap than the Innocn 32" which for me frankly doesn't even come close.
If you already go TV route then a higher end Miniled TV has even more contrast and brightness than PG32UQX. Ofc then size is a "big" issue (some model don't has one < 65 inches, or 55 inches version has way less dimming zones)
I wonder how do the g0sd compares sa with samsung qn90d 43 inch. The qn90d were give very good reviews by digital trends and rtings especially when it comes to hdr contents and usability as a pc monitor.
I just ordered a 43 in qn90d for just an equivalent of 618 usd exclusive of VAT.
@@lamjk10 How are you finding it? I have the 43" qn90b, I found it can be made to look almost like an OLED with its very high contrast VA panel! It just can't quite reach the same brightness for small highlights in darker scenes. Also viewing angles could be improved with a light wide angle layer maybe...so colours are more consistent across the screen, so the edges of the screen look like the center area.
For the price of the G8, you’re better off to pay extra for the Asus. No point in spending that much just to go half way in terms of performance and quality.
The G7 is more comparable (165 vs 144Hz) and that is almost half the price. Personally i'd rather the much higher quality, accuracy and much brighter ASUS! There are alot of similar options coming though for much cheaper from BenQ, Philips, FFalcon, etc...with 1152 zones and 1400+ nits. There are already some reviews out for them. But none are showing them in real content like this, mainly just the numbers and graphs....I hate when they just do that. I want to see what those numbers mean, how does it translate to real content (after tone mapping...tone mapping can really change the overall picture compared to the measurements depending on the manufacturer). 😄
PG32UQX is very nice but the price is ridiculous :((
Yeah. It's a 3 year old monitor by now.
Costs more than any OLED
@@cogthusiast1150 Prices have almost halved where I am. And if the performance is as good as they say it might be worth it now. But only if you really want the absolute best of the best, are willing to pay for it and you really don't want an OLED. OLED for a monitor is a no go for me and i'm sure many others. It seems to perform very close to an OLED for blacks and even smaller to larger highlights are brighter and more accurate, it's so good that it's only the tiniest of highlights it can't quite match. Almost everything else is better! Motion could be better but for a casual gamer it should be fine.
If you compare it to something similar, like the 43' Samsung QN90D for $AU1800 and the 32" ASUS for $AU2700 ATM it doesn't seem too bad for that beastly performance. You should get much better colour in everything but especially in darker scenes where Samsung dims the scene more which makes them look more dull. Much more dimming zones! 1152/360 = 3.2 times the dimming zones and these are even smaller dimming zones since it's a smaller screen size, so performance is even higher! So alot more accurate shadow detail while maintaining colour vibrancy! And hardly any blooming! And of course brightness that can't be matched!
1700/1200 nits for small highlights/full screen. That's MicroLED territory, in fact, that's even better! MicroLED is about 1800/800 or 2000/500. No OLED gives you that, not even MicroLED!!! The brightest OLED, the S95D can only give a max of 1700/300 and that's only in isolated test windows, not in real scenes, we'll see.... So when you think about how much you need to spend to get just a little better performance for all electronics, it isn't that bad now. And that stable LD performance seems almost at Sony level or maybe even better! This is a HDR mastering monitor after all !!!!!!!!!!! But way cheaper than the 30,000 pound 1000/1000 Sony.
We do need an updated version maybe though with an even faster IPS screen or maybe a VA panel tuned to get really fast response times for even better blacks, but viewing angles and colour would suffer (but they could use a light wide angle layer and over saturate brighter colours to match IPS performance), those are the only things that could be clearly improved upon. But this seems the closest to that saying....best of both worlds you can get. Not perfect but nothing is, I would never use an OLED for a monitor with so many static elements.
I would love to see this in person next to an OLED so I can know for sure though.
@@cogthusiast1150 When you consider what else is out there, it doesn't seem too bad now on discount. Did you get my last reply, it seems it was deleted.....curious? If you disagree then write why, no need to delete comments or it could be stupid google AI labeling my comment as wrong think....hate speech....lol.
@@cogthusiast1150 Does anything come close when you consider it's brightness, amount of dimming zones in a 32" and performance in a LCD monitor? Like Solace says it's pretty close for black depth to OLED and smashes it in brightness and no burn-in worry. As an OLED monitor you would think would be a no go. I just don't think they will last as long.
wow the Asus absolutely destroyed the g8. If you ever have the opportunity, can you give us a side by side comparison of the Innocn m2v vs the pg32uqx?
What settings were used on the G8? The black crush and over saturation makes it look like contrast enhancer is on or black equalizer is cranked up. I have a ~3 month old Neo G7 that doesn't exhibit any black crush (2nd square on lagom and 0.5% visible on test slides) and i'd call it anything but over saturated, until contrast enhancer is enabled. Thanks for the comparisons, love the format.
Just local dimming high, contrast enhancer destroys image quality and is definitely off. The black crush is content/APL dependent. Like I said this monitor behaves completely different in test slides vs actual content. Thank you, appreciate it.
Hating on samsung that's why, I have the Neo g8 and it's awesome. Just one thing is the viewing angle is not great but you play games head on anyway
What settings do you use? Especially the Mode seems to matter the most for more accurate tracking of EOTF.
Just realised you didn't use much game footage on this one compared to the Samsung QD-OLED comparison. Could you include more game footage like that video would be great! Like Dead Space, the Jedi one, Cyber Punk, etc...to show how much shadow detail and highlights gets crushed on the Neo G8.
1 Month later, there is finally a new king on the block in EU, and a true competitor to the Asus PG32UQX. TCL just released their new line of miniLED monitors, the 27R83U and the 34R83Q. Both are HDR 1400 VESA Certified, and can get over 2000 nits bright in 50%-75% windows, and even up to 2000 nits peak in 100% windows! They do go down to 1200 nits after 30 minutes of full white HDR images, while also having great pixel response time and they cost 800 euro.
Has the PG32UQX finally been dethroned?
Maybe.. just the tcl get too hot actually it turn off..
What's truly sad is that the PG32UQX has been literally discontinued here, with whatever units remaining costing in excess of 5000 euro. I think we need more G-Sync Ultimate miniLED monitors.
I don't think it will be around much longer here in North America either. Its super long in the tooth. Next year will be 4 years since it became available.
Hello, thank you for the videos you make, its useful. Can I ask you how is VRR flickering on neo g8 comparing to WOLED and QD-OLED?
PG32UQX. This is the best display for HDR, HDR for still images that is.
Any movement and this display falls apart pretty quickly.
Also no HDMI 2.1!
Stop lying. You act like a bot / troll.
@@DrakonR just look up any formal review of this monitor, they all mark it down for its motion performance.
It also has no HDMI 2.1, so forget about console gaming.
@@cogthusiast1150 People use TVs for console gaming, also this is an HDR monitor meaning you won't be buying it for competitive shooter levels of motion clarity. it's good enough for the games it's meant for and most importantly best HDR on the market.
@@cogthusiast1150 Which review? earlier models (most reviews) had a problem with motion but the later ones seemed to have all those problems fixed (the least number of reviews on them). Just watch reviews on youtube that are about 2 years ago and newer, the motion looks great! No complaints! HDMI 2.1 is only for external devices that can do 120Hz @ 4K, most console games can only do 1080 @ 120Hz (performance) and 4K @ 60Hz (quality). So I think you're good! I don't think most people would use a PC monitor for console gaming anyway....but you could. I mean if it doesn't work for a rare game set the quality to something else until it works.
Maybe Solace could test some console gaming on it? 😀
Hi! Great comparison, I just stumbled over your video and I have to say: you deserve more followers 👏🏻
Just one request: any chance that you will compare the Asus PG32UQX with its successor, the PG32UQXR? Looking at the specs, it seems like Asus reduced the dimming zones to 576 zones... maybe they made it intentionally worse to avoid inhouse-competition for their OLED lineup?
Thanks, I appreciate it.
I want to compare the two in the future. Most don't really consider the UQXR a successor but rather a more affordable alternative. Like you said it is down in specs in two key areas, zone count and no hardware Gsync module for the local dimming. It's only real advantage is that it is using a faster panel in terms of pixel response.
Not sure if you've noticed but there is very little coverage of the monitor mainly because it and its sister model the Acer X32, are pretty mediocre overall.
@@SolaceinScrutiny thanks for the quick response. Yes, I was looking for a high end Mini LED HDR monitor and saw that there's no reviews or media coverage about the PG32UQXR... I really think they made it intentionally worse... can you tell me if Gsync Ultimate still matters in 2024 or if Gsync Compatible nowaydays is enough? I also read somewhere that the PG32UQXR has a very loud fan despite the Lack of a Gsync module... is your PG32UQX loud as well?
The Gsync module is the main reason why the PG32UQX's local dimming is so good. These 576 zone monitors local dimming is less effective without the module. Yes, I've read people receiving units with very loud fans which was also an issue with the early PG32UQX units. My PG32UQX is dead quiet and I can only hear the fan if I put my head near the back of the monitor.
I think it's just poor quality control. Maybe some units have poor contact with whatever heatsink the fan is attached to, etc.
@@SolaceinScrutiny Interesting... is there a way to find out when your PG32UQX was built? I would look on the used market then and buy one... when did you buy yours?
@@SolaceinScrutiny hi mate, what happend to the LG mini led monitor, did you test it already :O?
Are both monitors full brightness , or u capped the brightness on the Asus like last time ? Cuz the difference between the 2 monitors is not as drastic as the comparison u made with the oled , that one was eye opening how dim the oled was compared to the Asus
Yes full brightness. Most of the content is medium APL so the Neo G8's 600nits compared to like 320 of the OLED makes a big difference in brightness. If the OLED's "Peak Brightness" setting is set to medium though so that highlights no longer hit 1000nits, it gets much brighter in these kind of scenes. Overall I don't think the brightness difference between G8 LCD and OLED is big enough to warrant buying the LCD in 2024.
I just recently purchased the Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 and even at full brightness with all this monitor settings at the max I find it extremely dim in SDR and HDR, not even hitting 300 nits full screen, my older 1080p monitor from over a decade ago would be way brighter with more than 400 nits full screen, it's picture was more vibrant than this display, you would think Samsung would make the Neo G8 more brighter and vibrant since it is a high end gaming monitor but that's not the case, hopefully this can be fixed in a firmware.
It's had a ton of firmware updates, unfortunately they haven't been able to fix these issues. Probably a limitation of the panel/hardware.
@@DrakonR Oh really, what a shame, I might have to sell it, it's a little too dim playing games in SDR & HDR during the day with ambient light around and with all the settings on the monitor set to max
@@robertobuatti7226 I hear ya. There's some budget miniLED options out there like innocn or KTC that get much brighter, but the osd isn't the best and they come with their own set of quirks. Hopefully we see more miniLED hit the market later this year.
@@DrakonR Yes definitely, I'll look into those one's, thank you, much appreciated.
Based on what I've measured I think the backlight is extremely inefficient. At 1200nits full field the PG32UQX is only drawing 30w more than the Neo G8 at 350nits so Samsung limiting its brightness has to be some heat management concern.
Can you become a reviewer please i will happily support you for objective reviews
That is the goal really. I just need some measurement equipment and a better setup before I feel confident in providing data. I feel like there are a lot of reviewers who provide objective data but they lack subjectivity because they don't really use the displays, they just measure and move on to the next.
@@SolaceinScrutiny ruclips.net/video/TUrDCUaJKiQ/видео.html this guy did pg27uq vs aw3225qf, aw3225qf looks so dim and lifeless against it wtf :O
@@SolaceinScrutiny hi, how is the lg mini led, did you already test it :=)?
Nice detailed comparison, the Neo G8 is such a scam monitor :O, HDR "2000" maybe in 1 scene for 1 second :=). Its Real scene HDR Brightness is = 422 cd/m² + the dimming algorithm doesnt work properly. Meanwhile the pg32uqx hits like 1700+ cd/m². Im sure even the acer Predator x27 and the pg27uq will blow the Neo G8 out of the water :=)
I hate how Samsung is allowed to straight up lie to consumers about the HDR capabilities of their monitors ("Quantum HDR 2000"..."Quantum must mean "B.S."). I have a Neo G7, and it is ok, but my Innocn 27m2v is much better IMO (for P.C., not console...the Innocn's HDR through HDMI is broken. This is ESPECIALLY noticeable with the PS5. Maybe later firmware fixes this, but Innocn doesn't realease downloadable updates ).
@@timholt78 Yeah from what I can work out the Quantum HDR rating means something like approx Contrast performance (Sony has Contrast Booster...) so if your display is a Mini-LED that can reach just over 1000 nits while maintaining deep blacks it's rated as approx HDR1500....but other ones that can reach 2000-3000 nits (accurate-vivid mode) are rated HDR2000..... 🤪 So HDR2000 for 1200 nits max in real scenes with crushed blacks.....HDR2000 maybe? 🤷♂😄
Another great review! Can you do a comparison between the Asus and the LG 27GR95UM with the latest firmware? It has 1560 local dimming zones.
Thank you. Yeah the LG is coming this week.
@@SolaceinScrutiny looking forward to this. I have this monitor and am so frustrated by the screen dimming with HDR Gamer profiles 1&2.
@Doctor0Who maybe it just arrived. Making content takes time.
The review I saw of this was pretty bad I hope they can fix it in firmware....just shockingly bad!
Check this review on it's shocking back-light performance B7n45RvD8_4.
There's also a philips and benq one with 1152 zones coming out soon worldwide. Lot's of options coming! 😀 Philips review fNmo4o1wORE.
I have samsung one for 2 years and its very cheap comparing the asus one only bad side is hard coating its too hard to clean
Can you test top mini led tv like samsung qn90d or bravia 9 and their performance in gaming and response time compared to gaming monitors?
I would love to but need to save up some $. I think TV's vs gaming monitors is a comparison a lot of people are interested in.
Asus PG32UQX cost $3200 vs Neo G8 is $980. CAD...... lol
you never showed us the OSD settings being used. I seen G8 being 10x brighter than what you are showing. did you set the G8 to 10% brightness?
also, how come you didn't do the ghosting test? the Asus monitor is like 5x slower than the G8, so is the input lag.
this is misinformation.
Nope, everyone reviewing it came to the same conclusion. It has never reached sustained 2000 nits as advertised.
You're incorrect across the board.
The Samsung has local dimming set to high, that's it. Everything else is how its normally configured when the OSD detects an HDR signal. The reality is that it's not a very bright monitor. It's so dim in fact I think it trades blows with the G80SD QD-OLED counterpart.
I have the Neo G7 and have not been that impressed (it is no longer my daily driver). I will say that, out of the 3 mini-leds I own (Neo G7, Innocn 27m2v, and LG 27gr95um), the Samsung looks the best(HDR) for consoles to my eyes. However, for P.C., I overall prefer the L.G. the most(took a while for it to grow on me due to annoying dimming issues in HDR), then the Innocn(still has the best peak highlights of the 3 IMO), and then the Neo G7.
Good video but please include games if u're gonna do another one
Yeah I know, the camera is really holding me back since games are much harder to capture correctly. I'll try to get more games in next time.
What 4K 240hz monitor would you suggest for gaming on pc? Mostly on COD
I'm pretty sure your only options are the Neo Odyssey g8 or the new oled that dropped this year, many say the Asus model is the best one amongst them
Both are good...but ips seems brighter and va look more contrasty
Seems? The IPS IS brighter. The contrast isn't great on the Neo g8 due to the blooming. Scanlines on solid colors is also an issue.
@@DrakonR the asus is also 4x the price
@@TheWancer ya, the price sucks and we're all patiently waiting for more miniLED in the monitor market in NA. The Asus goes on sale for 40% off periodically which makes it easier to swallow considering the QD-OLED sells for $1900 new. So paying the extra for way more visual performance and no risk of burn in is a better deal.
@@TheWancer More like twice the price which is still fine given you get a way more premium product.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Yeah the newest 32" 240Hz OLED Asus monitor is the same price here in Aus around $AU2750. And the Neo G7 is about $AU1400, $AU1800 for the G8. The UQX seems like a more premium product, but better than the Asus OLED? Depends on what you want to use it for....still expensive for a 32" monitor no matter what you decide, they are both premium type ones though compared to the Samsungs, it's maybe not bad for bang for your buck. If only it really reached 2000+ nits for highlights and 600+ nits full screen with little to no black crush and mid-tone raise. It could have been such a beastly monitor! Serious contrast from the VA panel, shadow detail and brightness! I hope they release another better one to replace this one.
yet another reason why Samsung is a joke. Let us not forget their trash QC quality, and how they lie and make up their own specs. Samsung monitors exist only to look good on paper, and anyone buys them deserve what they get. Furthermore, the Asus is GSYNC Ultimate, and it isn't the Samsung model and it's obvious here. Really appreciate the work you're doing in this space, Solace.
Red is too saturated on g80
Asus looks better but if something is wrong, dealing with asus is just pure unadulterated aids.
I was considering getting a miniled instead of the oled but then I realized miniled is completely useless for gaming :/ and the haloing makes it crap for movies too.
Because of these I just don't understand the selling point of miniled....?
How would it be completely useless lol, watch the video.
Samsung isn't great for warranty either..
miniLED is great for gaming.. no issues gaming competitive or cinematic. Bloom and halo depends on the brand as both of these displays perform great for movies, with the Asus being even better. I have an 85"X95K miniLED TV and blooming isn't an issue at all in content.
Ignorance is bliss.
I have 2 OLEDS (LG C1 and the "DWF" version of the Alienware 21:9 OLED) and 3 mini-leds (Innocn 27m2v, Samsung 32" Neo G7, and the LG 27gr95um). 9 times out of 10, I prefer mini-leds while gaming (especially an IPS mini-led). I find the higher brightness to be more impactful for HDR (and SDR for that matter).
@@timholt78I’ve got 4 oled’s and 3 mini led displays and I agree with you 100%
The S90C TV outshines any IPS mini LED in gaming.
Nice but could the Neo G8 be made better by adjusting Black Equaliser or Blacks or whatever it is and also Colour to be a closer match? That might increase the brightness a bit for highlights and APL.
Viktors reality uses Contrast Enhancer and Black Equaliser to get a closer match to an OLED. Could that help with the brightness?
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His settings are in the description. Could you put yours in the description as well would be helpful.
Both of those settings are horrific. The monitor already doesn't at all follow HDR EOTF as seen here with my measurements:
imgur.com/a/u7Fxzcu
It under brightens and crushes dark detail and way over brightens highlights which can be visible in some of the HDR demo's I recorded. Samsung seems to have done this intentionally for that "OLED" contrasty look so adding contrast enhancer on top of that just makes things worse as does black equalizer.
@@SolaceinScrutiny Damn. Is there any way of correcting it? like on my samsung qn90b Shadow Detail for black level and Gamma ST.2084 for mid-tones. I use for FMM ST -2 SD -1 to correct the over brightened curve. 😀
It only has preset gamma settings. One over brightens further and the other crushes dark detail more. It's not like your QN90B that runs Tizen OS which gives you far more granular control.
@@SolaceinScrutiny That sucks, it doesn't even have a black level (something like the brightness setting on TVs) to raise the blacks even? And it only has 300 nits max full screen white? Why so limiting I wonder? With so many dimming zones, it just doesn't need to be especially the black crushing. Just means less contrast if the APL is super raised all the time, the highlights can't stick out like they should or do they with the over brightened curve in darker scenes at least but then for brighter scenes they can't? so it's nowhere near ideal and for brightness they must have capped it since my qn90b can get 600 nits full screen and 1100 for highlights....compared to 1100/470 for the neo g8 makes no sense.....
On RTings review it says they had to use LD Low to get the best curve and it got more brightness out of the monitor as well, less black crush, mid-tone raise and 470 nits instead of 300 on LD High. Have you tried LD Low? Might be worth a shot. 😀Maybe the highlights aren't as bright but more accurate?
@@SolaceinScrutiny According to the tomshardware review it says that the Neo G8 follows EOTF pretty closely with these settings for HDR...
"Custom (Mode) is still the best choice. Leave the color temp on Normal and gamma on Mode 1."
Page 1 has SDR calibration settings.
What settings did you use for the Neo G8? Also for the ASUS? TH says to use Racing Mode for the most accurate everything, pretty much calibrated. 😀