House of the Dragon Episode 6 Review (Spoilers)
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2022
- Beau & Aaron review episode 6 of House of the Dragon, 'THE PRINCESS & THE QUEEN'
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Littlefinger: *helps get people killed in a castle to become Lord of Harrenhal.*
Larys: "I limped so you could run."
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Paddy Consadine has been a surprisingly large part of why this show is so good. His character really adds a lot of nuance and depth to this whole situation.
And he is hilarious.
He is truly amazing. I thought I would be frustrated with Viserys, but Paddy has made him so damn sympathetic: You truly feel how he is struggling, torn and burdened by the words of his ancestor. And yet he keeps fighting, as weak as he may be. He keeps trying.
I adore Viserys lol he just wants his family to get along and build his legos dammit
I don’t think Alicent requested Rhaenyra come with the baby; she just requested to see the baby right away so she could pass judgement on whether it was another bastard. Rhaenyra going with was a power move to control the situation.
I think she clearly knew she wouldn’t let the baby go. It’s a very petty thing to do and definitely accomplishes both things.
It was a power move on Alicent’s part. Rhaenyra could not let her get away with it.
I think Rhaenyra is genuinely worried for her child's life in the arms of her "enemy"...
I mean demanding to take away a baby from her mother right after birth is pretty messed up either way. Especially when it’s revealed that Alice was only one set of stairs and a small hallway away.
That's almost word for word what was said in the inside the episode part of Sundays episode by the showrunner. So next time come up with your own idea.
So much I could say about this episode but I just want to thank whoever vouched for Rhaenyra to have a post-partum bump like a real human being. It makes everything so much more palpably real
She never loses it. And it just gets bigger after her next 3 children come.
I was about to be upset because she was about to leave without pushing out the afterbirth, but they addressed that. They are definitely making this make sense.
@@timothybrown5999 Way more info than i need to see in a TV show. Great, it's real, so is taking a dump, I don't want to accurately see and hear that regularly in my serious dramas. Some stuff is better left behind closed doors and we can all fill in the blanks very easily.
@@timothybrown5999 the blood spatters in step with where she walked are on the nose with how quickly after giving birth and the excess bleeding are a specific thing too.
@@TangoNevada If you find that the childbirth wasn’t sanitized enough for you maybe you shouldn’t be watching a tv show where the gruesome nature of medieval birth is a recurring theme. Because you are maaaaajorly missing the point here.
let's not be unfair with our comparisons here. Dragons aren't just like nuclear weapons... they're like nuclear weapons controlled via tamagochi
That is why they not been used all the time
I had suspicions earlier that Lionel Strong was the "face" of the house while Harwin was the muscle and Larys the shadow, all aligned and playing their parts to further the family's interests. But it was refreshing and eventually tragic to see that Lionel really was a stand up guy and a shame that his honour didn't inspire his second son to nobler deeds.
I've seen so many book readers pointing out closing an eye, but I feel like no one is pointing out Helena stiffening at Alicent's touch. She knows ultimately who's responsible for what she will lose.
Good pick up. Now that you’ve pointed that out I agree with you
I see what your saying 😮
I think it's just a normal reaction from a neurodivergent person, which Heleana seems to be
@@atem4652 yeah, as a neuodivergent person myself, "neurodivergence is magical and mystical" is a trope used in ASoIaF world. George has a thing for that and anything that changes your brain makes you connected to something mystical and magical. Honestly, not a great look for George, but I suppose there are worse tropes. At least people don't expect me to be psychic in real life lol
The fuck is neurodivergent?
It really helps that Emma D’arcy really looks like Aemma Arryn’s actress
Yeah emma definitely does but I liked Milly’s Rhaenrya more & it sucks how well she played the role because I think Emma is good too. Just not Milly
@@GodHatesXbox Older Rhaenyra was meant to be drastically different from her younger self who was the realms delight. So it makes sense that the vibes is different
@@GodHatesXbox it's just been one episode bro. Give her some time. Milly got her moment to shine. The first episode for Emma was really ordinary. But she still did a fantastic job in acting her introductory scene. I think she will have a lot of cool moments in the coming episodes.
@@karthiks6394 🫡🫡
@@nostalgicbliss5547 that is helpful to know
I still think the King is playing court. He knows the consequences of accepting the rumors and the the strength in ignoring them. He also knows he has the last word. He’s definitely not a fool. Viserys knows how strong the dynasty will be with them all together.
He’s just too weak to make it happen. Both physically, mentally and emotionally.
He should be out and say he knows what they are and that he's good with it. And command everyone else be good with it. Instead of acting like there's no question about the boys parentage.
Yeah, he knows there's no way to prove it (like come on, dna testing is not a thing) so his best bet is to play fool and not admit to anything unless people speak it up (which he knows they won't)
@@user-bh2fz5sf5e that's an even weaker look
But if that's what he's calculating, he's wrong because we know there will be war
I just love that Laena, in full-on labour and close to death, hobbled out of the manse without any midwives or servants being able to catch her, and managing to out-pace Daemon.
I can’t deny that I think this episode should’ve been split up into either two, or one that was 90 minutes long. We needed more development in the Rhaenyra/Harwin relationship as well as the Daemon/Leana relationship (and Daddy Daemon). I would’ve enjoyed being able to settle into those relationships a bit so that the deaths would be more impactful. Harwin was the most impactful simply bc his child had just been born and it was so unnecessary a death.
I agree. I would have even liked to have seen more of a quick blurb of how close Rhaenyra and Laena were. I didn't read the books, and had no idea that they remained very close or how Daemon's twins got their dragon eggs.
Hey guys, I’m fairly new. I enjoy your commentary because of the time you take to go into specific details. Not just about the facts or accounts of the books or previous shows, but about the feelings and emotions of the characters, their thought processes. In addition to the added joke or pun every now and then makes it all come together beautifully. I can see the time you take. Thanks for making the show🙏🏽💜
Well said! Thanks guys
Couldn’t wait to see what you guys think. To me this is honestly this episode was another premier for the series. It felt like we were starting over all over again and I loved it
This episode was very rushed in dispatching characters. It could have split into two episodes: one for Kingslanding and the other for Daemon.
Could have skipped the first 5 eps and started with this one
I didn’t expect Laenor to grow up to be such a doting idiot, like wtf? He was so oblivious to what Rhaenyra was going thru. But I respect Laena for taking control of her death and going out like a G! 👌🏿 Wished we’d gotten more time with her, seemed like they aged her up to flirt with Daemon and then aged her up again to have Daemon’s kids and then die 🤷🏿
Laena*
From my understanding (on the little I read about the Fire and Blood books), Princess Rhaenys (Laenor's mother) has dark hair in the books which makes it a bit more convincing for Viserys to be defending his daughter.
The actor for Larys would make a great werewolf.
Viserys knows the kids are Strongs, he just has to go along with it because of the consequences.
I think he also chooses to because a) they're his grandkids and his daughter's children and b) Leanor claims them as his own
It's a classic the emperor has no clothes moment.
I think he goes along with it because he doesn't care. He wants his daughter to be queen and her children are targaryens. He knew leanor was gay when he betrothed his daughter to him.
I've read the book & I didn't mind the time jump. I do feel like the storylines in the episode were rushed. This easily could have been 2 maybe 3 episodes. Daemon & Laena's marriage, children & eventual residence in Pentos. Rhaenyra's relationships with Leanor & Harwin, her children, being trained to rule & the issues with Alicent. More time touching on those milestones would have added the needed depth due to the 10 yr time jump. Again, I enjoyed the episode & I'm excited for the next episode.
Yeah. Great episode, I had a couple moments of “how did we get here” and I know the books pretty well, it just felt a little more rushed. Only one so far so not to much of a hate towards it though. Still wish we could of got more Harwin and his boys seem like he would of been a great father
Yeah but that way too much for the writers to fill in. The book is pretty basic with hardly any details too. So I think they are doing great with what they were given to work with. We all know how badly the last one went when they went their own way with the material. . . Let's not fuck this one up too
@@user-bh2fz5sf5e agreed. I know people want it but then you’d have people complaining about it and how it changes the characters from the books. Plus, this whole season is just setting up for the actual dance which I think the first real causality that sets everything off will happen in the last episode, leading into season 2
As someone who has had a baby and is currently pregnant, that first scene made my whole body hurt. I felt every step she took.
Imagine walking in Kings Landing and you look up to see Targaryen Timothée Chalamet splooging down on you
I can’t wait to see the rest they’ve really been getting us ready for some “holy shit!” Moments lol. The preview for the next episode looks like things are going to get crazy. Also, I think the time jumps are going to be less and less after season one, then in the following seasons like game of thrones, only weeks sometimes months but certainly not years.
In the scene when Alicent is lecturing her eldest son, I got Cersei vibes from her
The reason they cut Daemon hugging his daughters is that those scenes were part of a montage during Larys' speech about love and children.
LARYS 👀
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Poor Viscerys. He just wants everyone to get along and be happy. As he retreats further into his Lego model that he can exert control over his real kingdom disintegrates around him, along with his body.
Love your reviews! Can’t wait to hear the rest of the season. So funny too. It’s always good having a mate to review with too.
I've been listening to y'all FOREVER...but for some reason I especially loved this breakdown. Great job
This was one of the best episodes. The emotions behind every character was strong and the performances was amazing
vhagar killing laena absolutely broke me, she didn’t want to do it, but she knew she had to. it’s what laena wanted and she couldn’t disobey her.
Yea and I love the fact that they got a final moment cause in the book Laena can’t reunite with Vhagar
@@ty-zz9ic yes ! especially when we hardly had any time with her anyways cause of all the time jumps, it was nice to see her have a final moment where she got to decide what happened to her
Donated!
As usual you guys are enjoyable. Thanks so much for the content!
When Daemon’s twins meet their cousins…”Uncle Laenor is your daddy? Really? Ok”
2 hour podcast would make my week 🐉
This was the first episode that I did have a gripe with the time jumps. I definitely felt more backstory could have been provided for Rhaenyra and Harwin and especially Daemon and Laena. Both Harwin and Laena felt like literal plot devices that were meant to push Rhaenyra and Daemon forward which I’m sure is a part of the book (didn’t read it ) but it could have been established and developed better imo. I also felt that the deleted scene with Daemon and his daughters was a bad choice to be cut. Daemon can definitely be cold , conniving and sarcastic at times but I feel like the show has always established that when it comes down to who HE perceives as family he cares and loves for them very deeply. ( ie him telling Corlys only he can trash talk his brother). So I would think that during such a devastating time he would embrace his daughters just for the fact that in that moment they really needed some love some affection .
First time viewing your channel and this review was just what I was looking for. Excellent commentary and analysis of such an interesting episode, definitely will be checking you out next week
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I'd be down for spin-off miniseries showing the 10 years of domestic life between Harwin and Rhaenyra. I don't care that it might be boring, I just want to see them happy together and raising Jace and Luke. He was such a good dad and honourable man, you don't find many like that in Westeros which makes his and his father's loss hit me right in the feels. I even knew he was going to die, and tried not to get attached but damn he stole my heart. And that made every scene he was in that much more bittersweet.
That line he gives to the baby, "...the next time we meet again, we'll be strangers", had such a nice poetic touch that reminds me of early Game Of Thrones. Gave his brief appearance that much more weight.
So honorable he had 3 bastards with the princess and attacked anyone who said the truth.
Pls gtfoh
Is it because he's hot? Lmao
@@dariang4725 It definitely doesn't hurt. Although, Cole is also hot and so is Daemon, but I haven't seen them dote on their women and children as Harwin did. Women are drawn to guys like that. So its a combination of looks and character I would say
Excellent review guys. Well done
Alicent's pleas at the end that she didn't wish this were pretty funny. The things we try to convince ourselves of! Never underestimate the power of denial. Larys gets denial and how to use it.
"What do you mean you did a double kinslaying to enable my bitching and scheming!" *Surprise Pikachu face!* -- Alicent
"Oh, sorry ma'am. I guess it was mixed signals, you protecting a murderer for political gain this whole time." -- Larys
Meanwhile Ser Criston does a dry gulp.
Anyone notice how the wigs are way better now? Like, they started off with these wigs for these actors and worked their way backwards. Cos the Valaryon daughter's hair looked terrible on the young actress but great on this episodes actress. But it's essentially the same hairstyle. And with Daemon they started with this look, and wondered how they would get there, and so worked it back from here.
I like Rhaenyra's character and how she's been so far but having kids with Strong was a huge mistake. It added a ripple to the situation that didn't need to exist. If she wanted to fuck around at-least do it responsibly so that no-one else finds out or can use that to get to you politically. No matter how you look at it, this was a mistake and maybe some of the future bloodshed could've been avoided by not doing what she did.
not gonna lie i've been refreshing the Nerd Soup page looking for this video for the past 40 hours lol
I’d like to add as well that I’m not a reader of the books, but I did watch all of GOT. The fact that there was so much detail in GOT from start to finish made it easier to understand. In addition to the individual characters periodically narrating stories from the past, we got a glimpse of more detail. However my prediction for House of the Dragon is that as time goes on we may be given flashbacks. It seems a waste to cast so many characters and only feature them in one (maybe two) episode(s). By doing flashbacks, they’ll help fill in the blanks for us more casual viewers. At least I hope so. But I’m just speculating, you never know with this franchise. Thanks again
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I'm a little "mixed" on Alicent's new portrayal now, since the most recent time jump. She may look like the same character, (if you squint your eyes lol especially,) but the younger Alicent never shouted or even really raised her voice at all, to anybody, for any reason, and this new Alicent is way too loud and intense.
She wasn't always sweet or super confident or sure of herself, before. But, those demurities I could have better understood seeing evolve or progress, especially over a decade between her being a girl and a woman.
Going from nervous to full blown paranoid is believable, and people change considerably over even one decade, she's just much too loud and intense, I'd expected maybe a little less loudmouth lol especially since she was so quiet by nature before.
She went from absolutely never even raising her voice to grabbing her son's face and screaming at him about her single-minded obsession with Rhaenyra virtually immediately, like she's two completely different people altogether.
I'm just not totally sold yet, I gotta admit.
Maybe it's just too jarring, to see. (For me.) I don't know.
10 years of the red keep, look at Viserys
she was also pretty intense when she she confronted rhaenyra
I mean she’s also older, angrier and more frustrated. Of course Alicient’s demeanor has changed
From what I heard they shot with the older cast first, which makes sense cause this episode feels like a pilot, and then the younger actors came in and straight crushed it!
Samesies
I really am gutted to not have gotten much time with Harwin and Laena but at the same time I guess that's an issue that comes up when characters die 9 years before the actual story begins. I understand them wanting to hit specific events for specific episodes but damn, I wanted some domestic bliss for a moment longer.
Bro was that baby real? That was the realest baby I’ve ever seen
Yes, please talk about each scene for two hours.
"They say 'harrenhall is cursed.' That window has..." 🤣
Personally I didn't mind the timejump, I think it was fine because in my head we're still in the prologue, so to speak, of the story, sure they skipped some thing blah blah but, things that I personally didn't mind getting skipped. But as you said,surely is easier for us because we know stuff and maybe also because we can process it better, I can see how some ppl might be confused, but don't worry too much about it ppl :P you'll be glad. ALSO, I love how they're developing Larys, fav character by far because I love these kind of chaotic, manipulative characters.
Aegon’s lineage, thousands of generations later, later became the hair band Poison. Facts.
I could see something going on between Ser Christon and Alicent in the future after the King dies.
Some of the quieter moments spoke volumes, Criston (ser salty) turning his back when Rhaenyra walked by, Viserys weepily kissing his first wife, Aemma’s, ring…the loving look Harwynn gives his newborn, the servants’ disgusted looks when Aegon eyes them leacherously.😅
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I don’t see how Alicent has any legs to stand on when she questions the legitimacy of Rhaenyra’s children. If the “Dad” is holding the baby and is saying it’s his even naming the baby and looking happy the baby was born then everyone should assume the baby is his. If I was Laenor I would be cutting tongues out of anyone who said that baby wasn’t mine and when the Queen told me to keep trying maybe I’ll get a child who looks like me I would’ve told her what does she mean all these kids look just like me. She is the Queen CONSORT she has no real power Viserys is the king and has the final say no matter what. He should have approved the wedding proposal right then and there. Viserys really is a good guy but a terrible king I feel bad for him but he wanted this. He could’ve given the job to his brother or at least kept him and Corlys close so they could advise him when to be a little more fierce when necessary. Honestly though if Viserys would’ve gotten his council right he might have been remembered as one of the best Kings to ever rule Westeros. I’d say Viserys as king and Lyonel as Hand with a small council consisting of Corlys, Daemon and Otto seems like it would’ve been the perfect dynamic and unstoppable in their time.
It's mostly to do with the fact that it's an open secret that Leanor is gay, and all the boys look much more like the princesses "champion" Harwin. It's just too suspicious. If the boys are bastards (which they are) then they are all guilty of high treason and should be put to death, not inherit the Iron Throne. And because they are bastards that puts all of Alicents true born children in jeopardy. And she is the Queen consort, but with how week Viserys is she's basically Nancy Reagan.
Brynden Snow The crazy part is Alicents children are only in jeopardy because of her actions. Had she raised them to be a tight/close family like Viserys and Rhaenyra wanted one of them would be the future queen and the other three would probably sit on the small council. Imo once the kids mounted dragons that should’ve shut anyone up who doesn’t ride dragons as to if they are bastards or not lol
@@KingOfWinter Why would she want illegitimate bastards take the throne over her own legitimate children. Recall in episode 2 at the bridge were otto was saying daemon bastard child should not have a dragon because it is not a true targeyen. Bastards are a huge thing in westerosi world and they are regarded as less than pureblooded children born to the married couple.
@@KingOfWinter oh definitely a running theme of this show is that all of this could have been avoided if the royals just made better decisions or were just in general more level headed. Like everyone is to blame, you can't pin it all on one person everyone has played a part.
In the book Viserys does threaten to cut out the tongues of anyone who suggests the kids are bastards. I hope we see him get more forceful on the matter next episode, politely asking Alicent not to talk about it didn't cut it for me.
I got a feeling that Jace isn't actually meant to be Harwin's son but Criston Cole's instead. His hair isn't curly like Harwin's and Luk's and resembles Cole's far closer. The timing could fit and leaving her choice about the moon tea in Ep. 4 open makes for a great twist later on. The dramatic irony of the whole situation and the courtyard scene in particular would be poetic. Lastly him asking "Is Harwin Strong my father?" is a little on the nose. Almost like you're supposed to question it.
Idk the brothers look almost like twins, think it has more to do with the notion of rhanerya’s children losing their naivety and coming to grasp with the shit storm political situation they were born into.
I don't think so. Alicent and Criston both see Jace all the time, and if he looked remotely like Criston they would be saying very different things to each other.
Harwin attacking Criston: is that not exactly what a knight would be morally obligated to do when being falsely (aheum) accused of treason?
Damn.. This show just gets better and better
There has to be another big time jump right? Or do you think they’ll do it slowly with just a few months or a year or two between episodes?
Would explain the 40 year old elf with a parch
I tend to not like soup. But this....? This is some good soup.
The window scene was entirely unnecessary. If you're going to have a pointless window scene, bring back Cersei.
Every scene is this series has a point they are no filler scenes.That is plus in my own opinion there are no filler scenes and every scene is consequential to the characters. Aegon doing that has a payoff in later date.
11:24 i literally loled when you said i gotta try that xD
16:07 this part 😂 I do love how the Targaryens give kids nukes
What did Daemon whisper to the male servant at the table in Pentos and why did he touch him and the servant smile? Is it possible this is the reason Daemon can "finish" now with Laena? Weird detail to add to the scene. Has some meaning but what is it?
Criston Cole's become like the Westerosi Piers Morgan. several years ago a princess rebuffed his advances, and ever since then he just obsessively hates her
Correct me if I’m wrong but was Laena’s dragon the one that Viserys used to ride that left him?
the only dragon Viseys ever rode was Baelerion the black Dread he was his final rider and he never rode another
Visenya, sister/wife to Aegon the Conqueror rode Vhagar. Baelon, Viserys and Daemons father also rode her.
Does anyone not think that Cole is the father of the eldest child???? They didn’t show her drinking that tea and she got married in time to carry the child without “suspicion”
Yes, the eldest child’s hair is straighter and darker, like Crispy cold
This is my theory as well. They’ve already changed some things from the book because the books is supposedly 2-3 hand accounts on some of these events while the show is supposed to be actual depiction. Feel like this may come up later on.
It definitely is his child, I suspect Rhaenyra knows and will use it to fuck with him
Loved this episode but....what happened to Viserys lower arm ??
It's insane how much alicent has changed she was one of the sweetest nicest people and now she's just bitter and hateful also holy shit Crispin like get over it bro it's been 10 years 😅
Ah! Just in time for lunch!
I don’t necessarily have a solution for the time jump, but it does feel a little strange. Also, in general, I would like the pacing to be a tad slower. Ultimately I am super invested and have enjoyed the series so far.
I really feel like this episode should have been 2 episodes instead.
Aegon stole every scene he was in 😄
yeah he is my new favorite character.
@@dannybookay152 *Targaryen guard gets another load dropped on him, “god these fucking seagulls and their bird shit”😂😂
I was always a fan of Aegon II I hate Aemond tho he is a twat
"Crispin" Cole and Alicent Hightower are two butthurt, bitter and jealous individuals.
Cole has no right to blame Rhaenyra for his "sin". Dude has loads of time to opt out of sleeping with her, and we saw how much he thought about it in that heavy pause he took before he placed his white cloak on the chair. He could have remained her paramour in the way Harwin Strong was for the past 10 years. Instead he wanted more from Rhaenyra, even though he knew that being heir to the throne mattered to her more than anything else. Rhaenyra was thinking of him when she was making her arrangement with Leanor. Cole could have had everything Harwin has, so he has no right to be bitter or jealous. He only has himself to blame, so why is he so hateful now?
Same with Alicent, she was the first one to keep secrets from Rhaenyra when showed up at the small council knowing Viserys was going to announce that he was marrying her. That was a massive slap in the face for Rhaenyra. She was the first to break the trust in their friendship. So why is she feeling so betrayed that Rhaenyra lied about still being a maiden?
100% agree 👏🏾
I already disliked Alicent and Crispy, but this episode made it very easy to hate them. They’re very bitter and salty people.
Alicent acts like she’s owed something because she lives by the rules and does what’s ordered. Its like she hates that being a good girl doesn’t bring her good. That’s not how the world works. Life isn’t fair 😅🤷🏾♂️.
The king is the boss, dragons have the power. They make the rules.
Alicent betrayed Rhaenyra first by secretly dating Viserys. And now she’s paranoid about Rhaenyra killing her kids because she ‘lied’ about fucking Daemon? Rhaenyra doesn’t owe Alicent anything. They’re not friends anymore.
Everything is a result of the Hightowers schemin’.
Will Nash or Teddy be on the spoilercast?
How we don’t know if Rhanara first child isn’t sir Christin
I would love that plot twist
this and the last episode have felt like S7/8 GOT. So disjointed, rushed, and formulaic. "A THING HAPPENS --> 2 people discuss it. A THING HAPPENS --> 2 people discuss it. A THING HAPPENS --> 2 people discuss it." And people have 5 min of screen time, then we're expected to feel something when they die? Judging by how people are gobbling up HOTD, i really wonder if people would have liked S7/8 had the critical reception and narrative not been so negative.
Good point
I dont think we were supposed to care about them at all. . . Daemon isn't impotent, and Renearya's children are illegitimate. That really is the only take away that is needed. I know if feels like we should care about them. . . But it's just another highlight in what causes a dynasty to go war.
The time jumps don’t seem really ambitious to me, truthfully. I’ve seen such things done with more twists and turns.
I don’t know if you guys have ever watched it but there’s a German show on Netflix called “Dark”. Most of the cast was portrayed by different actors at different ages. As for time jumps, they jumped forward and backwards through time, as well as across time - certain characters time traveling - and across dimensions to other versions of reality. And, don’t get me started on all the family trees in town!
So, a lot of times, the plot was like a bendy straw and looped around itself. You had to sit and think, sometimes, afterwards about what you just saw. But, it was the best show ever. Very intelligent writing.
I wouldn't call the kids illegitimate. The whole point of marriage was to ensure ownership of any children. It's why it was created. So, by law, any child she bears is legally her husbands regardless of who the dna father is. The other way round it works differently. He can sire illegitimate children on an unmarried woman, but Rhaenyra's children are all legitimate because she is married. It's how it worked back then...before dna tests. So Alicent is wasting her time with conjecture that cannot be proven (esp now that daddy's dead) just because they have brown hair. As far as bloodline, also doesn't matter, because she's the one with the royal blood so it's her blood that's important in the children anyway. She could have married anyone and her children would have still been royals because she's the heir, not her husband. So....I don't get why it matters. If any of Alicent's children weren't the King's, THAT would matter but it's not the same situation since Rhaenyra is the one to become Queen and has the royal blood. Alicent is just jealous because she has to sleep with the old King while Rhaenyra has a hot husband and a hot lover. And there's the worry her sons will be murdered...there's that, but it's more jealousy. lol
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That's a real thing. Genetics are weird and complicated.
I think that the big thing that we are seeing here is the combination of how this entire family's dynamics have becomes completely dominated by open political implications due to Viserys' lack of strength in BOTH his political and familial vision. That with every marriage and every birth and death he has allowed lasting impacts that resonate until they become a constant ringing in their ears. His greatest weakness, however, has been a lack of desire to "rock the boat" he wants the approval of everyone so badly, he witnesses problems and does not directly address them with the authority that he has to him until it is too late. Ser Criston Cole is a perfect example of someone who certainly has been allowed to fester in his role of a "yes, Queen" confidant. His switch in loyalties from Rhaenyra to Alicent is clearly filled with open malice, and the fact that he went from being the bodyguard of the princess to being the bodyguard of the Queen and her children. That Ser Criston got a PROMOTION for killing someone at the Princess' wedding feast feels like there had to be some strong play by Alicent toward both Viserys and Rhaenyra there that essentially forced them into this alliance after her father was sent away. You can also see the echoes of his last words to her, about how Rhaenyra would kill her and all of her children to protect her claim, in how she thrusts that knowledge upon Aegon. The weight of that knowledge and the implications of being wrong clearly have taken their toll on her, and Criston is certainly doing nothing but feeding into that insecurity.
Added to that, a Strong family, with the head as the Hand of the King, and Harwin as an obvious counter to Ser Criston, Alicent was certainly feeling like her own life and safety were falling apart like Viserys. It existed, but it was far from certain and anything could turn the balance. Rhaenyra's offer at the small council, with everyone to witness, was her final "in house" play to force both Alicent and her father to mend that wound that began the day he selected Alicent as wife. Of course Viserys' loves the idea, but by that time, Alicent is in full "Cersei mode" and has figured out how to be involved in every single decision that is made publicly and privately by Viserys. She has become Otto in a dress. She knows that would essentially eliminate any claim to the throne for Aegon, and help cement the strength and influence of the Strong's as well, even if the parentage came out because the child is still the Queen's heir. The Velaryon's are also suddenly vulnerable, because they do not have a legitimate heir in their bloodline. The fact that Corlis is no longer part of the small council, despite the marriages of two of his closest relatives to his children, specks volumes of the way that Alicent has begun to mold the Small Council to her side of things, especially after this episode's events.
Overnight, Larys, completely tipped the scales in Alicent's favor, and it will be interesting to see how that develops and feeds into her role, once the horror of the act itself fades.
Let's not kid ourselves about Daemon. If Daemon was the king with no male heir, he would have made the same decision as Viserys did. They had a whole conversation about how he settled when he married Laena.
Helena is a dream seer! That’s gonna be big and no one is talking about it.
they will be once Aemon closes his eye
@@TrevorTellsJokes *Aemond
dragon dreamer
@@bryndensnow damn Targaryens and there similar names
@@TrevorTellsJokes bruh trying to listening to the Fire and Blood audiobook is a nightmare for that reason.
Also, Alicent's son has the same attitude that young Rhaenyra had... what a slap in the face for that Hightower girl...
And the little nod to Larys knowing that too "you can't say you wouldn't be blinded too" (I don't remembered the exact wording)
Was that secretary of state comment a Battlestar Reference????
black horses can produce brown fowl and vice versa
I saw a post on the HoTD subreddit that had punnet squares written out based on the family trees and recessive/dominant traits, and it is actually possible (though unlikely) for Rhaenyra and Laenor to have brown haired children.
@@Etticos. Yeah atavism is a thing but 3 children back to back with black hair. Like Alicent said, it’s an insult to expect people to believe it lol
I do think the show is moving just a little bit too fast, I feel like Im watching the beginning of what should be season 2, I just think there's a lot more story that could have been told on the previous time from with young rhaenyra and the time frame we are in now could have been season 2 and giving us more time with sir harwin strong and leana velaryon, in my head this story could easily be 5 or 6 seasons long depending on how far you want to stretch the actual dance of dragons war
I think Daemon loved Laena and cared about her but he wasn’t in love with her, you can see the hurt on his face when she died.
It’s weird, Peter Baelish was possibly my favorite character in OG series, but I don’t like the Larys character- at all. Dude’s doing a good job portraying him I guess because I just want to get far away from him as fast as possible these last two episodes.
Littlefinger was sneaky, but he did have this odd charisma. Don't get me wrong, he's despicable, but he plays the role of "Harmless little brother" so well. When I rewatch the first season I totally buy that Cat and Ned would trust him. He seems mischievous, but harmless. You totally understand how he could skate by.
Larys is the exact opposite. It's like Ramsay Bolton, he just has a bad aura about him that you can sense.
I haven't read the book, and I wasn't confused in the slightest
25:25 *Lord Bloodraven has entered the Chat*
There is only one GOAT when it comes to Spymastering, and his name is Brynden Rivers.
Finally some good soup
I think the princesses first child has straight hair 2nd child has curly hair cristain cole could be the first child’s father just not sure if the timeline works for my theory
I can’t stand Alicante. The
I thought it funny how they changed every actor, but Cole remained the same
Right!? I was expecting everyone to grow up and have new actors. They just threw a couple of gray hairs on Christians guy and felt it was sufficient lol
Aaron with the spoilers!! he says about HELENA "definitely more to that character then checks himself and says definitely seems more to that character " CONFIRMED DREAMER
21:00 I feel like you could guess he was close to at least one of the girls. The one she was teaching Valirian or something
Yes!!! I wonder if it has something to do with one having a dragon and the other one not. He was teaching one girl High Valeryian, and the other (who's egg hadn't hatched yet) claimed her father ignored her.
My favorite episode BY FAR. I love the new actors.
Currently, Daemon would be 8th in line for the throne if we're only counting males and Rhaenyra and none of those other 7 continue to have more heirs. Yeah, I'd say he's given up.
Unless...
Should Laena and Daemons child been sitting in Laena’s ashes in the aftermath? I thought Targaryens can’t be burned, so I just assumed Laena was trying to save her child by being burned, but I guess the kid is toast
That’s a Daenerys only thing I thought, Jon is burned in GoT.
@@sheevpalp4304 they can be burned. It was used as a device for daenarys in got.
@@adedayooyegunju828 breh. You see daemon touch fire in an earlier episode and then literally fly through it in this one
Laena is also a Targaryen (her mother is Rhaenys Targaryen); last names aren't what matter here, blood is.
And, yeah, Targs are NOT fire-proof (they sometimes have an intense tolerance for heat, but they're not fireproof); Dany surviving the fire at the end of season 1 was supposed to be a one-off magical event that the GOT showrunners completely over-exaggerated and ran away with, and I wish they hadn't because Targs are historically very much NOT fireproof (and that's going to matter in this story, and matter a great deal in the future of this family, though too far in the future that it's not likely it'll be covered by HOTD).
But, even then, the fireproof stuff in the shows has been fairly Dany-exclusive. Jon has Targ blood, he can be burned. Viserys (Dany's brother) is burned to death. Laena has Targ blood and, in the show anyway, she burns to death. etc. etc.
Alicent getting her Tom Hardy in Taboo on with her "I have a use for you" like mentality.
The dude from recess?!?!😭🤣
Loved it - But I am getting "Character Fatigue".