Disney KILLS Eternals 2: Iron Fist Returns, and the End of the Feige Era?
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Here's what Disney needs to do
Let marvel take risks with these characters/stories
Have directors to watch the movies and shows that connects with what they plan to show
Have good stories
And most important figure out who is the new avengers
what happens when you dont have the money for therapy? your fucked.
Does Coltons Mom still cut his cut?
Werewolf by Night was my favorite recent MCU outing; all we need is great writing, great actors, great characters, passionate creatives, etc.
Fuck YEAH, Dude. That’s my favorite as well.
best Marvel/Disney+ thing ever
*Guardians Of The Galaxy 3*
You're saying it's good?
Surprised they made something that unique and competent.
Build up to a supernatural team-up. MIDNIGHT SONS
That’s a bad idea.
Honestly if they want to cut risky movies and instead make safer ones, I feel like they could pretty easily make that film and cancel the Blade movie that has clearly not been progressing very well behind-the-scenes, instead having the audience learn what they need to know about Blade in the early parts of Midnight Suns.
Midnight Suns are cool! They just have to really build up to that. Like Avengers and Guardians were good for the Infinity Saga. The Multiverse saga is being mishandled massively. It should be a team that spreads across the Multiverse Saga. Spider-Verse spanned the Multiverse, whether it was a Multiverse Team squeezed into a street level corner, or it was an actual multiverse movie, and built a team of multiversial variants. Every multiverse team from the comics is built up with variants of either A Hero, or multiple variants of multiple heroes. The Illuminati should have been the main team that deals with incursions and traveling to other realities to stop them. We build up their friendships and see them become mortal enemies when figuring out at some point, all but one universe will be destroyed.
For Midnight Suns we need to focus on Mephisto or Galactus as a big threat and have a cosmic saga.
They'll fail at a darker tone.
Sucktastic
Disney "cutting the branches." Are they the TVA?
100%, did you not see the Mickey head easter egg behind he who remains
@@RoboRoboRobotsLOLzy Trying to track it down, but haven't found it yet.
@@RoboRoboRobotsLOLzysource? I wanna see it
Marvel's biggest problem is that they went from the idea that it's all connected to creating shows and movies where the writers, directors and showrunners were not aware of what was going on in the rest of the MCU, they were told to not look at the comics the project is based on etc
Sure the Kang issue was beyond their control, but this is the same company that just replaced Terrence Howard with Don Cheadle because Howard wanted too much money, they couldn't just replace Kang and use the idea of him being a variant?
@threedoubleyoudotcom751yea but hes fired so it doesn't matter
@threedoubleyoudotcom751this is 100% false. After firing Majors, Disney started exploring hiring a replacement Kang- there’s no reason they’d include a clause like hat in his contract.
@@pooloftim8263 They did include it.
Terrence Howard > Don Cheadle
The only way marvel gets back to good movies is to stay away from the dei ,race swapping,girl power, anti white ,pro gay messaging
It isn’t Ant-Man's fault Marvel tried to turn his fun, light-hearted franchise into a green-screen-heavy drama with a sci-fi dimension setting and an Avengers-level threat
Totally agree!
Yep! Bring it back down to the old cast. Make it fun , I didn’t mind antman 3 but it was missing the charm.
@@Ironhart True
I love that a global box-office of over $400mil is a flop and doesn't get a sequel
$400mil is great if the film doesn't cost around $250~300mil to make and market.
Margins are too low and revenue is not profit. It was a crap movie.
The way Colton was talking about Shang Chi is how I feel about Eternals 😂😭. You have all those great characters and a great storyline and just crickets. They really should have gone straight into Blade and Black Knight and creepy time
I think Eternals was just too much story and character for one movie, and no real explicit connection to the rest of the MCU. GREAT movie that I enjoyed, but I wish it was delivered differently and not done in isolation. Let the characters and stories be the core components of the next phase, but integrate them into what has already happened. Show how they were always present but not involved, at least not actively involved in the Infinity Saga. Then bring in their internal conflict and tell that story. But here's the trick: Tie this into Guardians and the cosmic stories which were already really hinted out with Knowhere, Ego, etc. Then you can bring in the F4, Silver Surfer, Galactus, while keeping the Cpt. Marvel, Skrull, and stories you already have. The mistake was going with Kang and temporal multiverse stories, rather than Eternals and cosmic stories. The cosmic foundation was already laid out, but totally jettisoned to go with Kang, TVA, etc. Thanks for attending my TED Talk!
@@stradaredlands Or, they could have gone the opposite direction, and leverage the fact that this was supposed to be the Multiverse Saga, make clear that it's an alternate Earth where the Infinity Saga didn't happen.
@@jagnestormskull3178 I'd watch that!
At this point in time I don't think marvel are really in a position to be taking risks
RUclips comments are a risk free environment
The problem with the Iron Fist show was it's timing. The son of a billionaire stranded on an island and comes back a superhero just wasn't original at the time. At some points in the show, I wasn't sure if the material wasn't lifted from Arrow.
The problem was the lead actor was total garbage
I noticed too, but then I remembered that the Arrow stuff was for the TV show, And the Iron Fist stuff came from the the comics, 40 years earlier. And then I remembered that the Arrow story was changed in the 50's to show he had been trapped on an island, and then I remembered that Fist hadn't been on an island but actually been rescued from a plane crash in the mountains, saved from death, taken to a hidden Tibetan Temple, and receives special abilities, and then I remembered the 1968 British TV show "The Champions" in which three secret agents are rescued from a plane crash in the mountains, saved from death, taken to a hidden Tibetan Temple, and receive special abilities. And then I remembered the 1933 novel "Lost Horizon" which tells the story of four travelers rescued from a plane crash in the mountains and saved from death, taken to a hidden Tibetan Temple, and receive special abilities. In the Kunlun Mountains, for good measure. I'm sure it's purely co-incidental, but it was made into a highly publicized film the year before Iron Fist was introduced. And it's at this point I begin to question the "created by Roy Thomas and Gil Kane" credit, and also questioning why I have spent all this effort on a RUclips comment no one is going read.
So, basically, comics have a long history of just copying what was popular, and just tweaking it, so it seems different. Such as The Green Arrow originally being a Batman clone, or SubMariner\Aquaman, Captain Marvel (Shazam)\Superman. Sixty-plus years ago, comics were mostly aimed at children, and kids don't see the join. Nowadays many readers are older, and we can see stuff like that and we have a "seen-it" reflex. I mean, how many millionaires-lawyers- playboys who fight crime from a secret hide-out, are there?
The writing for that show was lacking at the time. All of the other Netflix shows had a theme during their first season: daredevil was guilt and responsibility, JJ was manipulation and SA, Luke Cage was racial commentary, and then there was iron fist which was.. lack of identity? Which as a premise didn't fit with what the character was supposed to be after already becoming the iron fist.
Nope. The problem was poor writing, and a poor leading actor.
Every line he delivered was preceded by a scrunched up 'tough' face. At no point did I ever believe he was a billionaire. When surrounded by actual actors in The Defenders, they must have been rolling their eyes when his character spoke.
Learning secrete wars and dune part 2 had roughly the same budget is mind blowing
Secret Invasion. But yes. We know part of the cost were extensive reshoots, which makes you ponder a whole lot of questions about the various versions of the series, and that streaming shows pay more up front to the actors etc. in exchange for then no and now little profit participation, but that still doesn't sufficiently explain it. After all, good writing costs as much as bad writing, so there's no excuse, whereas good effects cost much more than bad effects, and it just looks so damn cheap.
I think that they made a show about a Russian war, and had to scrap it all and reshoot. They did the same with the pandemic and falcon/winter soldier. It was just way more apparent with secret war, and it could have been great.
So many people mix up "Secret Invasion" and "Secret Wars".
@@griffgames9538
Mostly for two reasons. #1 It should have been called Secret Wars and #2 the whole thing was so forgettable that no one cares what the actual name is.
@@twincast2005
Reshoots: This is what happens when you don't go in with a solid plan and stick to it. Disney and Marvel are notorious for just shooting a bunch of crap action sequences and say, "we'll drap a plot over it later" then reshooting and putting in ADR lines later to fix it.
Look at The Creator. It's VFX heavy and cost a fraction of a Marvel movie, but they had a plan and a story first, so they only had to shoot it once.
All these rumors are starting to get incredibly frustrating because one day we get the news that there's a report from a scooper about the cancellation of Eternals 2 just for another entirely different "reliable" scooper to claim that Eternals 2 isn't canceled and in fact it's actually going to be retooled into another project the very next day. So wtf is the actual truth? Is Eternals 2 really canceled or not? This isn't an isolated case either because we get scoopers contradicting themselves and walking back previous Scoops all the time. We get conflicting reports about the future of this franchise every day, and honestly, it's getting really annoying. The fanbase sharing these "leaks" is killing my interest in this franchise a lot more than anything Marvel has done. If "leaks" and sharing unfounded "reports" is the future of this franchise when it comes to speculating about what's next instead of fun theories, then maybe this franchise just isn't for me anymore.
Ikr, it’s so frustrating, I sometimes just wish there where no leakers and rumors, just let us get the projects as surprises from marvel studios itself instead of hearing so many different things so that when the movie comes out you’re already annoyed and frustrated and there’s no hype anymore.
Bc everyone wants to be first to report on bullshit AND they need to make content.
A lot of these channels consist MOSTLY of MCU content. There channel REALLY wouldn't be that big if not for Marvel. Makes one wonder what if......the MCU OR M-SHE-U didn't exist how would they fair?
Always in motion the future is… 😂
Honestly at the end of Eternals I thought 6.5/10 I wouldn’t mind seeing them again. Then I saw that post credit scene with Harry Styles and my interest in it went straight to 0, this might be for the best😂
DISNEY IS A SHIT SHOW. WAKE UP PEOPLE.
Also, bring back the rest of the Defenders. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones would fit perfectly in Spiderman's New York City.
It's not that they stop taking risks, but they where playing it too safe having the same formula in every project
I wouldn't say Eternals 2 was canceled because I heard that that Eternals 2 is going to be transformed into a different project
See… here’s my thought… is Colton trapped in the tv? Or is the guy in the video store at the end of the universe that answers to a talking dog manager the one stuck in the tv?
Js
They are going to combine existing projects currently in development. Likely merges Thor 5 with Eternals 2. Merge VisionQuest with ScarletWitch and Children's Crusade. This is a pruning of the branches to consolidate and minimize overgrowth. MCU was suffering from bloat. There is a balance between creative freedom and playing it safe.
I believe the same with VisionQuest. The show’s storyline will be attached to Wanda’s. They’re even restarting their relationship in the current Avengers comic. I’m a happy camper!
Chang-Chi is honestly one of my favorite Marvel films to date, and I also have been frustrated that we've heard basically nothing about these characters for years. So, I'm hoping the rumors are true that they are, in fact, working on a second film. Personally, I also enjoyed The Eternals as well. On release in theaters, I remember thinking that it was too broad...too many new characters and a whole new various threats that I felt like the other films' characters would DEFINITELY be aware of and mention. Like "Hey Cap, hear about that giant monster being sticking out of the ocean? Wonder what that was all about..." I mean, you know that Iron Man or Nick Fury could easily see that dude from space. Why wasn't THAT utilized as part of Fury's reasoning for his actions in Secret Wars. The presence of the world-ending Celestials would have been an eye-opening extreme threat to everyone, but it's only ever mentioned in the one film. I just feel like the past few years have left SO many missed opportunities on the table.
If they do make long awaited sequels like Shang-Chi 2, they gotta be quick about it because the actors, like Awkwafina (regardless of how you feel about her) are getting higher and higher up on the food chain and marvel might not be able to afford them anymore
(Just saw King Fu Panda 4 and that’s what happened with the Furious Five… the movie really needed those characters but they explained them away with “they’re on their own super important missions!” Instead of just recasting them)
Did they really do that with KFP4? They were barely in the third movie, I thought they were supposed to have more presence in this one. Pfffffft.
@@mage1439 It's my assumption based on past experiences. Brother Bear 2 for example replaced the main lead for Kenai because he was too expensive, and it was also a sequel, so his contract could've only included one film, or excluded sequels, especially direct-to-dvd, etc.
The actor who played as Rhodes in Iron Man 1 was replaced because he asked for pay that was higher then Marvel wanted, so replaced him with the actor we all know and love now.
So I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they did with Kung Fu Panda 4, but assumed they'd recieve backlash for replacing those higher paid actors completely, because it'd be very obvious, but it's one of those things now where their movie suffered because they excluded those characters completely.
Jack Black is excluded because (I believe) he co-produced the movie so of course he'd play in it.
But I could very well be wrong, these are just one of the many potential factors.
Either way, Disney/Marvel needs to hurry up.
@@mage1439 okay, I found out that I’m sort of correct in that they were simply too expensive, but why couldn’t they have considered hiring new actors if those characters were needed?
However it was mostly Mike Mitchell who had full control of the KFP4 movie (and the reason it wasn’t that good) who is the reason why F5 weren’t in the movie.
i just want a follow up to eternals just to know what happen to that damn rock celestial in the middle of the ocean
And why didn't the massive earth quakes it would've caused didn't wipe out islands and costal areas.
Blowing thru Colton bc you had to talk or you’d explode, then apologizing to him and him picking up as if it didn’t happen made me smile
Hulk is an incredible example of keeping characters that cant have stand alone successful movies.
Even if someone at Marvel DID have A PLAN, remember what they say in the military, "Your plan of action always fails once you meet the enemy in battle".
That happens even more when your plan is garbage.
In this case, a better metaphor may be, they out ran their supply lines. Now they need to regroup and retrench and cut their lines back.
They were pushing out so much product that they didn't have the time and money for proper writing and VFX. As a result quality suffered.
So now they are reducing their lines back to what they can support and quality should increase, but I don't know if they killed the audience interest.
Love the videos guys!
Something that I would highly appreciate is if you guys would title the different segments of the video for each topic you speak on.
Thank you so much ❤❤
This feels like overcorrection. Obviously, some tightening up needed to be done, but Disney's already proven they're terrible at choosing what will be a hit. I'm afraid they're going to correct in the wrong ways by getting rid or cutting short series and movies starring BIPOC characters. I think with all the galactic/multiversal setting Kevin Feige wants to get into, they need to focus harder on the heart and characters of the story like James Gunn did with the Guardians.
I agree about Shang-Chi. It was a great idea of a new direction for Marvel and then ...... nothing.
Shang-Chi was wildly interesting and done so well...
Feels like they should be banking on more diverse worlds. Black panther was amazing, Shang-Chi was amazing, Ms. Marvel was cute and fun.
Marvel seems to do great when it explores different cultures. And that also is very interesting to the viewing public.
They keep rehashing old concepts and stories with a lil twist. Venture out and explore more characters with fantastic cultural influence
I don't mind the back and forth of theories on a channel like this. I enjoy hearing your opinions on developments/rumors etc and it feels like I am on a wild ride with people who really enjoy the movies.
Keep up the good work!
What I like the most about this new fase is that Henry Cavill will be Sentry, Wolverine, Cyclops, Dr Doom, Captain Britain and Howard the Duck
The plugging for this book is insane haha
They still don't get it. Until they focus on good stories and making a good movie they will still fail.
Completely agree with this. Even with A list heroes, if writing is garbage, the movie is garbage.
They now do. How can you make good stories where there is too many things to control? Focus on just few things. You're probably too young to understand project management
agree. good stories = $$
DEI = box office bombs
@FireJach No son, have you heard of the DCEU? Superman, batman, WW. Not as many projects as MCU yet they failed miserably. So it does not matter if you have 1 project, if you don't have good writers and directors it will still fail.
@FireJach I'm 43 and you make good stories by hiring the right people. She Hulk for example, the writers intentionally made the show bad to piss people off. Hire better people it's that simple
Corporate writing vs. Fan creation. You talked about exactly what I have been for a while. So happy to hear you say it.
A smashing conclusion, thank you for putting that out there. Feel the same way
The setup for part 2 and exploring the celestials was the only redeeming factor of the movie.
Them cancelling eternals 2 ant man 4 and captain marvel 3 has to be the best Marvel news we have heard all year!!!!
Marvel was given a lot of room to experiment but at some point someone obviously had to step in when they were becoming failed experiments
5:37 Sorry I`m just geeking out at the fact that Dave Gonzalez has a model of the Sunchaser in the background!! Now I REALLY like this guy
We need Ghost Rider. I know it’s a long shot, but I would love Cosmic Ghost Rider.
Yeah they've forgotten about this. Nicholas Cage was amazing in both of them and they should have done a third.
Cool and awesome or good writing isn't a part of the agenda
Careful What You Wish Mortal... The Blood of Innocents Must Be Avenged... You Cannot Escape Your Penance
whoa, this must been a all nighter video....
Thanks for all your Marvel and Star Wars content! Love all of them!
“I HAVE FAITH IN KEVIN FEIGE” we need t-Shirts with that on them!
What you guys are missing with Chapek is he was only sole CEO for less than one year. You can’t pin the MCU misses on him. That’s squarely Iger and Feige. If they want course correction get fresh blood at the studio.
It’s a popular and lazy response that he’s the sole reason and that everything with Iger will be great even though everything has failed. Weird, right?
Yep. Iger is the architect of all these flops, he deserving of most of the blame.
@@davedice4688 Iger only came back last year, everything since then that flopped was made under chapek. it's not like things are just gonna change immediately, it takes time, just like with james gunn at dc.
@@therealbatman8046 So in the approx year that Chapek was there he was responsible for a decade of failure? No, that’s idiotic.
Y'all deleted the video talking about eternals 2 right after the rumors it was getting the axe? Sheesh.
Thank you for this!
You guys have bang on described the problems and solutions for the MCU. I hope that the decision makers listen to you guys.
I'm going to focus exclusively on The Eternals.
For the film to do what it was trying to do, it needs to be taken back and retooled as a 10 episode mini series, each episode running roughly an hour.
Why? Because you have 10 main characters. At the film's current running time, that divides to 15 minutes per main character of dedicated screen time, to get to know everything that we need to know about this character, make some sort of connection to them, and know what the heck they want. Well, they would get that, if that was the only thing in the film. And there's the side characters and side plots, and an "even bigger picture" backstory, all competing for the running time's attention, and I haven't even included the main plot.
So, yeah. Expanding the running time to give each character, the rich history and context of everything the space to breathe. So much history and so many stories that would make later actions that much more sensible.
Don't tell. Show. Make the final actions taken by all parties mean even more... Make the audience understand.
Just my 2 cents. 🤷🏻♂️
Your idea makes sense but not cents. In Disney's eyes, the Eternals are a dead franchise. They can be tossed in a Fantastic Four or Guardians or Thor movie. But spending the type of money needed to bring Angelina Jolie, Gemma Chan, Harry Styles! into short form Disney Plus where it's instantly a sunk cost/non-revenue generating (because Eternals won't drive Disney Plus subs) seems like another $200m down the drain.
Too late for that
It should have been a mini series from inception. They tried to pull off another GotG but with too many characters and not enough time. In other words, they did a Justice League and ain't nobody wants a Justice League. I believe the team could've given us something much better if they were given the resources and a series to work with.
@@westcoastavenger +1
Maybe instead of sequels for now... Maybe use the existing characters for other series for crossovers and to help strengthen other stories? I mean that could work. Have Star-Lord work with the Eternals and have Ironheart go back to MIT and have her graduate just for Kamala to come calling for the Young Avengers. Perfect
Now that I think about it, The Marvels felt alright. Frantic, a lot of set pieces, terrible villain, but had potential.
It would be a very good three part episode.
Just bought my first SC merch because that Nighthawks Xmen painting is amazing! Nighthawks is my favorite painting. Well done! (I got the desk mat)
I liked the eternals and was really excited to see the characters again and where the story was heading with that.
I hope they focus on more on the X-Men and fantastic four and not some random nobody that audience aren’t going to care
Do general audiences care about the fantastic four? I know they've big in marvel fandom but they're not outside of that.
Not convinced on Eternals 2 to be honest. Now having the Eternals worked into Thor 5, add Hercules, then play out the Eternals finale there could be interesting. But having the Eternals in their own sequel after the first one didn't work doesn't sound that appealing to me. The Black Knight could be worked into Blade, or more appealingly, a Midnight Sons movie. You already have Moon Knight, Werewolf by Night, Man Thing, Black Knight, Blade (by voice)... even Dr Strange. All you need is Ghost Rider... perfect villain for an introduction movie who can be redeemed down the line. They really just need to stream-line the non-essentials.
Agree 100%
First always love the channel.
My response/opinion.
1. Product quality. The Marvel characters have a simple standard. Superpower heroes - mortal problems. Individual directors stop adhering to this and just made anything using the MCU characters.
2. Zero integration of stories - the post credit scenes were like the 30s cliff hangers. You leave the theater wanting more. Now they're directionless epilogues with ZERO value.
3. Forgetting that the story must appeal to thre audiences. The comic fan, the superhero film fan (they don't read the comics but love superheroes) and the film fan (the person who was a good film on the big screen).
4. Key actor - RDJ is the MCU. Because of his acting skills he made us believe, then build other actors around the lead high caliber actor. Everyone like everyone are only stars because of RDJ performance/ drawn. What if they made another HIGH calibre actor the center point - and build from that actor.
5. Rehire the Russo Brothers. Having directors that believe in the concept, respect the plot and actually care about the product and the fans would do a world of good.
6. ZERO I MEAM ZERO cheap product.
Hope Shangchi 2 investigate more about the bengals ,and ring seeing their origin would be cool.
The never-ending problem with executives and bean counters is they think they are creatives.
Eternals was like sitting thru a 3hr church service 😂😂😂
Honestly I feel like a lot of people just aren’t into the idea of time travel and multiverse stories. It gets convoluted and hard to follow at times.
Bob Paycheck better stick, that shit is too perfect! lol I officially love Colton 🙂
That nickname has been around forever, since Chapek was in charge of Disney Parks years before he was CEO and all his changes led to price increases that led fans to joke it took their whole paycheck to visit Disneyland et al.
The end of the "Feige Era" means the end of Marvel.
agreed.
He did a great job, then got forced to make more and more, than they had money and people for.
Yup 🥲
Not really
@@freeamericanthinker558Sure the company will continue but it will never be the same.
Legit does not mean that 😂😂
These screen crush videos are just turning into podcasts with Ryan & other people we don’t know 😢
I will never get over how the main lady in Eternals has a line about how she once even turned stone into air, only for the movie to then not have her do that for the celestial sleeping in Earth.
Like, how was that NOT foreshadowing?
And how did NONE of them think of that when they were coming up with ways to save the day, especially when the way they saved the day was by suping up all their powers to 11 lol.
It boggles me mind it does.
9:20 What's crazy is that the MCU simultaneously needs to cut content to not be spread too thinly but also need to continue so many plot threads that they set up.
One thing I notice about the “top tier” spoilers channels is that they seem unwilling to come out and criticize the writers, special effects artists, etc. who work on movies and tv shows that bomb. Somehow it’s always the fault of the people at the top or the production was an under appreciated masterpiece. I wish that they would all stop sucking up.
They don’t want to lose their early access . They are terrified to criticise incase they get blacklisted.
@@avator1233 I've suspected that. A lot of them clearly do enjoy the sense of being "insiders" and getting early access to movies and shows, as well as being able to talk with staff.
From what I understand, from listening to the complaints during the writer's strike, in the past the writer's room would develop a script, then one or a couple would be with the director or producer during the shoot to fix things or change things as they came up.
Now, they have the writer's for about a week. They produce a rough draft and they're all let go. Any changes after that are on the director, who has their own pressures and is rushed.
That's how you get Secret Invasion.
Wasn’t half the problem with the Iron Fist tv show the fact that the lead refused to learn any martial arts?
Yep
I dont think the actor refused. The project didn't allow for much training.
Ogburn 4 Tha WIN!! He is a family man with a heart of gold and a mind like a steel trap.❤ Really appreciate what you had to say about Eternals.
The main problem with Marvel has been the quality of the shows and shows that we're supposed to be movies and movies that were supposed to be tv shows. The eternal should have been a TV show because of so much backstory. And so much time that happens between the beginning of the movie and when they come to earth and it was missing the pizazz Dane Whitman should have turned into the black Knight and stayed with the eternals. Helped to fight Icarus The whole movie got the sword from the eternals. They could still have the same post credits with blade but shown blade
They should. I really like Eternals. I am sad.
Considering what happened to Boeing when they were taken over by bean counters being decision makers, I would say Fiege really needs to be allowed to make decisions.
But Feige's decisions lately haven't been great either. The fact he wanted to spend even more money on a Eternals 2 movie in which the first one bombed and cost about 240 million showed someone who lost his focus after Endgame.
@@dsfddsghit's also Disney's fault why Fiege can't make good films or series it started with pushing Marvel to make series for Disney+ and resulted by making movies that didn't get enough focus.
As long as the next shang chi is 50% more kung fu more fights then I'll be happy
So Shang-Chi and Iron Fist in some sort of grand martial arts tournament?
Bro, Perfect Cell could blip in from the toriyama verse. It literally does not matter. Just give me dope choreography, minimal cgi blah fest.
@alexreid6224 how... how would perfect cell blip into the universe and them NOT use cgi to do that? Haha
@@TheBadStatic hell good 2d animation butperfect cell only becomes Marvel when they anime that shit in 20 years once disney buys everything else.
Point being, more kung fu pls.
@alexreid6224 no I agree, the first half of Shang chi was WAY better than the second magic-ey cgi bullshit. The reason old movies were so much more iconic than today's movies is they actually had to like invent contraptions to be their characters and do it all in real life so there was a realness about it. Now everything just looks like a cartoon.
They already have too many projects which people WANT no one wants Captain Marvel 3 or Eternals 2. People want Armour Wars, Shang Chi 2, Avengers movies, Thor 5, Midnight Suns, WW Hulk and a Scarlet Witch movie etc
100% behind you on this. I shared the exact same reaction, in that if Disney is going to start pulling back, and not green lighting risks, The MCU is going to become very boring. My favorite movie out of the first 3 phases is still Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 1. Another top 5 favorite is Ragnarok - which was a giant departure from Thor 1 and 2 stylistically.
WandaVision felt like a risk. Shang Chi certainly felt like a risk, with a lesser known character. Those two projects gave me a LOT of hope going forward. Quantumania is what it is - it certainly wasn't the worst Marvel project - even though there were some questionable calls in there. ...but really, they follow those up with Secret Wars. The Marvels - which, while I didn't entirely hate, just felt like a big missed opportunity here. For a cosmic movie - it just felt.....small.
The best thing Disney can do, is slow the pace down, but put more effort into conceptualizing and writing a good story. ...aka, spend the money and hire damn good writers, and tell the business department to stay away...
Thank you , thank you for the discussion and they therapy in video ad people need to talk to paid professionals
I actually liked Eternals and was pumped to see them in a new movie with more support 😊
Only in team up movies with the Guardians of the Galaxy and Avengers
They need to take risks, just not now, let the more popular movies get the crowd back, then take risks with 1/2 characters
this is a good middleground
They’ve never really had a separate cosmic series vs a grounded series… they just grew into each other, and they should… but they should also be able to exist independently of each other as well. Have their own massive events and then even bigger endgame projects.. hope it all works out for them
Tao Lao had all the elements of a 'Heavenly City' so I'm hoping for a Tournament that introduces an Iron Fist and Shang Chi being revealed as an Immortal Weapon.
I remember the days when secondary characters were introduced in main marvel movies without becoming the main character. Really need to go back to that and tell a cohesive story within each movie. Theres so many project that were leftover with plot holes
Should they make Eternals 2?
They shouldn't have make the 1st one.
you do nothing but lie now
No, it's not the amount of movies. It's stories with little to no difference in formula. Every story is the end of the world and essentially nothing carries over to the next movie anymore. Yes, maybe the super nerd will like these new characters, but the average viewer cares little for these heroes that seem like wish version heroes. The stories unfortunately are rinsed and repeated and feel like they rely on hurting the image of characters we love to jump start characters we don't have an investment in.
Never saw the first one 😮
Shouldn't have made the 1st one.
Thunderous applause, Ryan. I agree with everything you said there.
Pretty sure Colleen Wing (Jessica Henwick) inherited the Iron Fist power at the end of the series.
Hope she comes back in the mcu somehow. I really liked Jessica Henwick in the role.
Yes, but the very last scene showed Danny Rand regaining some form of that power
Loved Eternals. So sorry many others did not appreciate it.
I watched the eternals for the first time just recently and I actually enjoyed it.
While I was excited to see that beacon from the end of Shang-Chi paid off (and if they're going back in time it's hard to imagine that happening much if at all), the idea of Shang-Chi and Iron Fist teaming up is very exciting and I would believe has a lot of potential for a fun story! I would love to see Shang-Chi and Katy meet Colleen Wing at the end after returning to the present, that would be very cool.
I honestly think secret invasion could be stretched over another season, and if done really well it could save it, secret invasion had so many great details they skipped, and a second season done by the right people could give us what we wanted, like another avenger is a skrull and actually make it interesting, it could come to a bigger confrontation as well
They just need to focus on makin interesting characters and the money will come back in. Instead all they are doing is bringing back old characters and making new teams full of a bunch of soulless characters.
What are your examples? Not arguing just curious what your thought process is.
Bringing Deadpool into the MCU needed to happen. Giving Wolverine the suit is something we've always wanted. Fantastic Four is Marvel (along with Spider-Man). We need them to pilot the MCU.
What are the soulless teams? Thunderbolts?
@@westcoastavenger on my point about Cameos they do nothing beyond just giving people a moment of “ 🫵🏾 o my gosh I remember that thing “ that’s literally it, the only people interested in that are already other nerds. What people fail to realize with the whole “ bring x character or team in” is that the problem isn’t the characters it’s the writing
Reason why phase 1-3 worked is because they had engaging characters who where built up enough to where we care the, thunderbolts only had Bucky and maybe yelena and the young avengers pretty much only had Kamala
@@javongarnett41 yes those phases did have that. Post Endgame has had that with Spider-Man at least. Far From Home picked up with Peter struggling with the responsibility of being the next Iron Man. No Way Home thrust Spider-Man into adulthood and made us feel the emotional weight of losing everything he loved to make sure those he loved (and just the earth in general) were safe.
Now Spider-Man is ready to be the true leader and mature hero he needs to be in order to lead in Secret Wars. He's been through it all. Training wheels protocol is completed.
@@javongarnett41 you bring up a good point about cameos though. Beast and Kate Bishop were my favorite parts of the Marvels. They were on screen for what, 50 seconds?
I think the Beast scene is going to be hugely important though
@@westcoastavenger sure but I mean all the beast one banks on is “ remember this old character
, yeah we don’t know what we are gonna do with it but here “ that’s why when I see these cameos and whatever I just don’t care because it just shows marvel has a problem writing their own good stories and has to go back to old work to try to get noterietay
THANKS for this, ScreenCrush Gang!!!! This reminds me of the late '70s when a Marvel title got canceled and the storyline got continued in another book (Most admit Power Man and Iron Fist was a much better mag than the original Luke Cage, Hero For Hire). This is an amazing creative opportunity for Marvel if it sees it that way. We can see *so* many characters that don't need a Movie 2 or more shows. I'd love to see Misty Knight and Colleen Wing help Spider-Man, and I'd love to see the Eternals continue their story in a Star-Lord movie, for example. And who knows, the Surfer can soar by, and....
It’s so late into the multiverse saga and universe that solo films are almost unnecessary and they should focus on teamups. It helps with the “well where was (insert character) during that movie?”
Too late nobody cares anymore. Even If Deadpool 3 crushes, the MCU may still never recover I’m afraid. No one wants to see Iron fist or Harry Styles. Marvel have completely lost touch with their audience it’s been so bad it almost feels intentional at this point.
Too bad they focused on new markets with giving characters like Captain Marvel and Ms . Marvel and Echo movies and series instead of giving its hard-core fans films like Blade The Hulk or the Punisher
Do NOT kill Eternals 2.
Eternals is a very underrated movie. Good science fiction, good characters, good action. Plus, it sets a LOT of the cosmic stories from the original MU.
Eternals 2 is one I really hope doesn’t get canceled😭😭😭
*This is kinda Soft Reboot*
Step one leave out the politics.
Brilliant Idea
This one behind the scenes tidbit about phase 4 still resonates, and will still forever be The Problem: the writers of She-Hulk tried to write courtroom scenes and base plots on legal procedurals, when no one in the writer's room had any experience in writing legal shows and they had no consultant telling them how to do so.
The MCU needs good writers (i.e. no more rick-and-morty castoffs), with the right experience with the characters and setting for their story (ahem, She-Hulk), and then a commitment to let those writers tell their stories without editing them within an inch of their lives (ahem, Marvels) full stop. So will the Gunn DCU. So does any franchise, movie or tv show.
She hukk had no basis to be made
"my parents died in a plan crash" will forever be my favaorite inside joke among my buddies😂
5:33 - "Palestine will be free". Really? This stupidity again?
Dude. Reduce the ads and cut the dog. Have stopped watching. Cmon
The Dog annoys me 😂
But yet u r here. And u can’t get rid of Doug. He is the heart of the show
Cut the dog???? wtf??? 😂😂😂😂 go watch New Rockstars weirdo
The dog is cute. But i assume the average viewer will search for "cute dogs" if they want their time spent on that. This is for pop culture commentary, especially the MCU sinking ship, we want hope
Cut the dog! 😢
I think the Iron Man model is difficult. You need people you trust one another, the character, and the movie. Someone who will say "this character would never do that" plus someone to say "the character would definitely do that, but it doesn't work for this story, maybe later." The problem with cancelling projects is people might start to think there won't be a later and will try to do to much.
I liked Eternals too and hope they get a sequel.
I too worry about the integrity and foundational structure that may be compromised with these various projects cuts.
Can't comment more on what ifs because we don't know how it will all play out but we may look back on what was lost when everything's done and revealed.
I just hope we still get epic and greatness.
There's no denying intersectional feminism. Had everything to do with the downfall of marvel. Let's not kid ourselves. Let's not lie to ourselves and the people. It was intersectional feminism, a branch of wokism
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@@emmanuelnwachukwu1930 what I mean by wokeism I don't include racism which also is a part of wokism . I want to make that clear in my opinion, it's the intersectional feminism that's destroying marvel nobody wants that garbage
"Wokisim" is not a thing bro.
You seem like the type that would blame everything bad on things like that.
@@MytrekFleetwood looks the type too
I can't find the video that said this but when the MCU was killing it they had around 8 hours of content they produced a year - but where told they needed 30+ hours of content each year despite a pandemic. Scaling up anything that much is impossible, especially when your poduct is creative, expensive and complicated. Streaming screwed the MCU (and Star Wars more so).
2 shows
2 movies
Annually. Simple right let’s go bob
That last segment! 🙌🏽 funny enough Sydney Sweeney said something similar regarding creators being subbed over with execs.