@@whitestallion531 my bike does 0-60 in around 3.5 and the quartermile in around 11.7so I know what you mean but cars that run 0-60 under 6 still feel fun to me..now my bike does feel slow compared to a 1000cc sportbike or a p100d Tesla tho that's for sure.
@@whitestallion531 that's so true lol and I feel it in my head and also my hands as the bike kinda Yanks away from your hands a little bit like small tugs
I agree and I own a Mustang and put a tuner on mine and it came alive...This Dodge looks amazing and would love to own either !! Wish I’d got the 2018 instead of the 2012!! Gen1 vs Gen3 5.0
I wouldn’t mind having a Mustang, but I love that low end torque, I love in my hellcat I can just do vicious burn outs, and when I’m on the freeway and I hit it it goes quick!
i agree with you 100%... Racer X is very honest about his comparisons... thank you Racer X for the great video and i hope to meet you both someday at a track. you 2 look like very fun and nice couple...
@@RacerX9 Yeeh i thought you were going to suger coet for the Dodge but you kepted it reel n true but i think meybe do uh do over n put the Michelins on the Dodge reer end, i got to sey honestly i too think the Dodge will do much better, coming from en 2019.5 Musteng GT 5.0 6 sp.menuel PP1 owner (sticken keys).
Pretty tough sledding getting the cars to hook up. Hell even the 5.7 is really hard to get to hook up on the street! I appreciate the Sneaker Pimps clip you snuck in there! haha. Cheers
I appreciate your honesty... I have never been beat by a R/T or Scat Pack on the street even from a roll. Traction and power delivery is the key from the Mustang 5.0. Both cars are awesome and get the job done!!!
@@richardlong8014 wth? I drive my 2013 Boss 302 as it was designed. Beat the hell out of it on track. A performance car in general was tested at high rpm. My car has been solid beaten it's whole life
Great work Racer X......I finally sold my Scat and last week purchased a low mile 16 Hellcat Challenger. You were right...it is the car I could never have gotten the Scat to be. Holy crap....has to be experienced to understand.
Great content as always sir. This triggered an interesting thought for me. In the days of carburetors, cooler air increased performance. It has been my (anecdotal) experience that my newer vehicles are down on power in cooler air. I’m sure it has to do with air delivery, and fuel mapping, but I’ve not been able to find a reliable source to explain this. Not part of your presentation, just got me thinking. Stay safe 👍, Chuck
This was a fun video. It's so funny that you have that intro about hey look this is what's going on here and people claiming/show rediculously low results but you have experience and know what you are doing and still are getting close to 5sec on the street. For a year I've been trying to get my tuned 19" VR30 Q50 into the 3.9 category and it's been a big struggle even though every one else tuned VR30 3.0t seems to find it so easy. I started out at 4.7-4.9 0-60 on the street but with a new tuner and better rear 275 tires I got down to 4.2 sec on the everyday street. I've had a few cars performance over the last 10 years where my car's performance never quite matches up to the internet's crowd's hype/numbers. Just funny how that works out. Sometimes leads me to think Dallas streets and or climate is cursed.
I use a track trans street diff combo set up and it works well for me with my 2019 charger scat. On the stock smaller tires I’ve hit the magic 4.3 0-6 probably was on an 18 of a tank at the time, on the on ramp to the parkway. I pressed, prayed and held on. I’ve never seen a challenger, charger head to head. I wonder. Love your videos. Thanks.
Thankyou sir for the comparisons. I enjoy the “real world” driving tests as this relates to someone pulling next to ya at the red light, and thinking they have a quicker car. I have personally surprised a few muscle cars when I run a 4 flat, and 12 second quarter in my Audi Quattro. I also use the dragy to verify but my difference is 0 wheel spin:)
I own a scat pack, and I discovered putting it in manual, you'll spin a bit in first gear but when you shift in to second gear it almost instantly gets grip and then boom you're gone.
I run 305 on my Scat from a roll its a little better but in sport mode if I make a pass on the Highway it still chirps tires when I step on it. Love the channel X ❤
The Nexen Drag Radials that come standard on my 1320 really do a good job on the street. I had a 6speed Shaker Scat before the 1320 and traction with the Goodyear 245's was a complete joke. But the Nexens handle the power WAY better. Perhaps you should get some for Mrs X's Scat. I find them to be a great street tire. I haven't been to a prepped drag strip with my car, but I am more than happy with the way the 1320 handles and launches on the street. The car is completely stock with a hellcat airbox and tube and K&N drop in filter. Also I feel the Demon's adaptive suspension in the 1320 really helps it launch. Great video. Thanks for the content. Steve
I think you make a good point in ref to how each car makes it's power differently. The Mustang with it's DOHC VVT 4 valve per cylinder engine has to rev way up to realize it's potential. The 10 speed auto definitely helps. I could here the Coyote engine shifting multie times keeping the revs up high with minimal lag.
It's RPM they have the exact same planetaries in the trans and trans gear ratios...bet the mustang is 3.55 and not the 3.15s my mustang was it was horrifically slow on the hit stock..
That’s what I love about Mustangs. Smaller engines than Brand X, but usually more efficient and the go to for a street racer, since the Fox body days...
Great video. I have a 2020 widebody and on the stock 305 tires with stock tire pressure I regularly put down 4.5 or better. Shows how much tire size plays in.
Great video! Crazy I could get an easy 5.5 in my N. I just bought a 2018 10R80! Loving every minute so far my best on some crap kumho tires is a 4.5 according to the in car timer.
Cold tires are the biggest factor as to the reason why the 0-60's are so low. Especially with summer tires in sub 50-60 degree weather. I was able to achieve 4.56 0-60 in the stang (similar set up to the one tested) with Michelin AS3+ all seasons. (Kansas, 61 degrees ambient)
Well I can’t say that the end result was much of a surprise to anyone lol. I trust your honesty, judgment, and experience with these performance vehicles; it just makes us that much more confident that the comparisons and reviews are fair. I will say that perhaps a 0-60 test on the street street surface just isn’t the best way to measure the two vehicles..well you did show us how unsafe it could be if the two cars were next to each other trying to race on a regular day LOL. I would love to see perhaps a 40 roll or a 60-130 with the two cars. Does the scat pack have enough hp and torque to hold off against that top end power on the coyote? Nonetheless I had a damn good laugh at this video. Very entertaining.
Thanks buddy.. much appreciated.. Yes if it had been a little warmer that might have helped. The stang is a beast on the top end. maybe a 30-100 is right measure..
Tire compound similarities matter more than tire width, in my opinion. While both are 275mm in rear tire width, the MT were definitely a better tire offering better grip
Came on to the video out of curiosity since my GF has a 2017 stickshift 5.0 and I’ve got a 2021 Charger RT. Sucks to have the slower car in the relationship, but I’m at ease knowing that I can save my money since the Scatpack won’t boost my ego (was going to trade in the RT). Thanks for the video. Well done as always.
Great comparison between what is more common cars on the street...that’s a huge weight disparity between the two! So, to be fairly close in a roll race, you probably gonna have to know where your car is making power...can you do 30 - 60, and maybe 60 - 80...in Mexico of course🤔
I have a 2019 Scat Pack 1320, and in drag mode on the street with 30lbs of air (my normal pressure for daily driving) I have gotten a best of 3.6 to 60 mph on the street. Happened only once in perfect air. But I consistently get 3.9 it doesn't matter if I use trans brake or just punch and go. The trans brake doesn't seem to do much for a non prep surface. So that goes to show how much better it launches because of the standard Nexen Drag Radial 275's and the adaptive suspension from the Demon. The best time I ever got in my 2016 Shaker Scat Pack Challenger with the 6speed manual was a 4.2, but that only happened once in perfect air. Traction was too much of a factor with the standard Goodyear 245's on that car. Plus launching in a manual car was a bit trickier. Other than that, I was lucky to get 4.7 consistently. Great video. Steve
Love the video,without actually racing the two cars. I am definitely old school.Back in the late sixties early seventies,that’s what it was all about. Pulling up at a red light and best driver, car combination win. And thinking back just running street tires,it was a lot slicker at the drag strip,than it was on the street.
@@kwilliams3161 it was a lot of fun. Cruising Main Street,picking a race and head out of town. I know it’s been basically 50 years, but times have really changed. If you could drive,9 times out of 10 the 4 speeds were faster. Don’t know how old you are, but in a great time now as far as powerful cars. These cars are ridiculously fast.
Even though you had trouble putting the power down with all that torque in cold conditions, the scatpack looks like it is more controllable. The mustang looked like it was a handful.
Like you said there are alot of variables that go into 0-60 times, so they don't paint the whole picture for your driving experience. I enjoy the low end torque and sound of a HEMI.
When I had my 2015 8-speed automatic Scat if you barely tapped the throttle she would spin the tires. Those cars are all jumpy low end torque. Very fun cars to drive around town! 😁
My Scat Pack Challenger with 275's on a 75 degree morning has a best of 4.0 sec. I have several 4.1 and 4.2 sec 0 to 60. Now with 40 and 50 degree mornings I can barely (with mush prayer) get 4.6 to 4.7 sec. I have lots of 5.1's too. Same tire air pressure, and launch technique. These cars make serious power in cool temps.
Another reason that the Scat Pack had a harder time putting power down is that extra 500 lbs, give or take, that it weighs over the Mustang. It requires more frictional force (traction) to get the car moving forward because the friction has to overcome the extra weight, AND it has a slightly worse front to rear weight distribution than the Mustang, hurting it even further. As an aside, if you look at the torque at the wheels of the Mustang in 1st gear with the A10,, it's very high because of the overall gear ratios, so the torque is there: 420 ft-lbs x 4.7 x 3.55 (for PP1) = 7008 ft-lbs delivered to the rear axles. The Scat pack is: 475 ft-lbs x 4.71 x 3.09 = 6,913 ft-lbs. The difference is the Scat pack is making that torque lower in engine speed, thus, slower car speed, thus, also harder to put down.
Really like the real world approach to this, most people aren't thinking about racing while just casually driving around then another fast car pulls up and all of a sudden they want to race
I daily a 05 gt. My car isn’t fast by no means of today’s standards.but still ppl try to race me from time to time.knowing damn well they gonna win.or they’ll hover next to me while I’m just cruising .
The best 0-60 time I ever hit with my 2020 mustang GT 10 speed PP1 (per the internal accelerometer and on PS4S tires) was 4.5-4.6. The more common time for me is 4.7-4.9.
Great comparison! Best 0-60 in my Widebody Scat is 4.2 bone stock. I think the tires make all the difference. The Widebody's hook up pretty well even on the stock tires.
I figured those MTs woulda hooked up a lot better than they did. I was actually expecting it to hook MUCH better than the Mustang. Those are MT drag radials, right? I have Nitto 555Rs on the backs of my Mustangs and they hook pretty well. Mine are a little bit wider too, I put 305/30/20 on one and 305/35/18 on the other
Trying to heat up a street tire does little to no good .. the compound it simply too hard and it does not change characteristics with heat. Also I wanted to simulate two cars essentially pulling up to stop light .. so a burnout or lowering the tire pressure would be unrealistic. I appreciate the support my friend
I had a 2020 scatpack charger last year 0-60 in 4.2 seconda but i hydroplaned in January with bald tires but im now getting a 2021 widebody charger in a week and a half just waiting on it to be delivered
I am def a MOPAR guy, but I truly dig and appreciate you being as unbiased, neutral and honest as possible. You need to be in politics!!! Be safe brother, great content
Yo Mr. X, another great video! Question for you. I have a 2020 Charger Scat Pack and love it but as you know it comes with 245s all around. Do you know if the non-widebody can accommodate 305s? The wide widebody with the 9.5in wheels can likely accommodate but wondering if my scat with the 9in could?
295 is the max unless you get 11" wheels. You can fit 305 but you run into different issues which in terms costs more than getting 2 wheels for the back. 11" wheels with 315 tires or 10.5 with 305
You’d have to get new rims that’ll fit the 305’s, I don’t know much but I know us non-wide body SP’s can only go up to 275’s and maybe 295, ill keep mine on 275’s until I’m ready to trade for a HC widebody
I will have to look.. her perfomance pages are not reading correctly for the 60 foot for some reason. It currently says 0-60 in .2.. which is well....... quick lol
Those Michelin Pilot Sports on the Mustang are a great tire. I have the same on my Scatpack Shaker. ( 275/40-20 ) On the street, (the on board computer) manages a 4.7 zero to 60. Tire pressure at 40PSI !! 😲 I would love to see you do a comparison between the on board computer in the Scatpack with the Dragy.
Standard Scat Packs come only with 245mm tires? The 275/305s are upgrades according to which packages you buy? That’s an awfully skinny tire. Kinda like my pops 69 GTO with those 14” red line tires. That used to sit in one place and burn out indefinitely lol
Yes. I have a 15 Rt Challenger that has a cam. I see post all day on FB with most claiming like 4.9 and as low as 4.1 with stock tires and set up. I just don't buy that. I have had several RTs now. I have never came close to those 0 to 60s. I live in Oklahoma. I know it gets humid, but stock or set up, without traction I can't get below 4.9 with my cammed Challenger. My stock I have got 5.4 with stock tires and everything.
@@FelipeGarcia-ct8qq My first pull was 405hp to the wheel. Mine has been between 4.9 and 5.1 with the same all season tires and my current 3.07 differential. Of course, thats what I got before the cam too. It just spins like crazy now. So, until I install the 3.09 I bought yesterday and better tires, I think that's it.
Like how we are comparing a scatpack to a GT. R/T vs a GT is the closer comparison. I'm a fan of both cars, so there's not really any bias towards any Brand. Just a better comparison
@@xqcpog7597 apparently you can't see the big picture. Weight, horsepower, and torque are only part of the equation. Price is another . Cost to upgrade etc etc.. But I'm sure you took that into the equation since your such smart guy;) Nice try. Comeback when you have something useful to argue about 😉
auto week is the only magazine, or sourse that has the scatpackq quicker than the mustang gt. i wonder what kind of driver they had. i tried it myself and also came out way ahead of the scatpack.
On a cold day accurate 0-60 tests are almost impossible. If both cars had drag radials on a prepped surface like a dragstrip, the Scat Pack would win that test. I own a Procharged Mustang V6 and I generally get either car off the line because I can get traction. My car has very little torque at low RPM, 4.10 gears, and a higher stall torque converter. My 0-60 is 4 seconds giver or take about a tenth depending on the weather on drag radials. On the street with summer tires, I can get anywhere from a 4.5-5.2 seconds depending on the weather. If the temperature is in the low 50s or less, I don't even bother to try. As soon as the supercharger kicks in I lose traction. I've raced quite a few GTs and Scat Packs. The Scat Pack is quicker than the Mustang up to the eighth mile. However, the Mustang comes on strong after that. The Mustang has the advantage of being able to rev higher mainly because it has variable valve timing that controls the intake and exhaust valves independently. You can't do that with a pushrod engine that has a single camshaft like the Hemi. The 392 offsets that advantage with more displacement than the 5.0 Coyote. It's pretty much a driver's race in the quarter mile. In a roll race, the Mustang has the advantage.
@@johndoe-ei5cm that's true. the automatics with the performance package will give you 3.55 but with a manual you can choose anywhere between I believe a 3.15 to a 3.73 and a 3.73 makes a big difference
I banged out a 4.4 in my Challenger T/A 392 6 speed. I babied it out of the hole and didn't hammer on it until 3 grand in first gear. The outside temperature was mid 80s.
Try the same test on a newly paved asfault road at an 80 degree temp. My old 15 scat challenge M6 did a 4.4 under those conditions. Let me add it was cammed , LT kooks ,cai and tune. 499 whp
My buddy has the 2018 mustang GT with the performance package and the roush exhaust and it sounds absolutely amazing. My 2014 challenger RT with the 274 comp cam, bbk short tube headers and flowmaster catback exhaust sounds great too. But I'm gonna give it to his mustang I think his does sound better.
The Scatpack numbers are way off. I just traded my Shaker in for a 2020 Scat Pack with the F1 Goodyear Stock tire. I pulled under 5 with the stock tires while in track mode
ive have a 2018 mustang gt, factory stock, with factory stock all season tires. I run it on the street 0-60 and get consistent 4.74 e.t.s which was disappointing to me after seeing Evan smiths runs.no traction compound, no burnouts. since I've been drag racing since I was a very young kid, I know what im doing. much of it is properly setting up the performance modes. and having a true feel for the car. don't run it much anymore, but did run a challenger scatpack and a mustang Shelby gt350 and blew the doors off of both of them. its not only how fast the car is, its reaction time, on the left of the center of the dash there's a reaction timer. (which I discovered just recently) I had 2 runs with it. I knew my reaction time was quick, but I counted believe what the display said, 00.12 and 00.11/ that alone would win many races.
My Mustang GT 1080R with 480hp (Ford Performances Cold air intake kit with 87mm throttle body and procal 4 tune) like the Bullitt never loses any traction in Sportmode +. And I have yet to lose a non prepped race except to a Porsche or a car with a big time launch control and comparable horsepower.
If you just use the drag strip mode you'll get a 4.4 just simply by flooring it, however I have the 20-in wheels and the optional rear axle ratio along with a 10-speed, I'm a pretty happy camper LOL
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People don't understand how fast anything under 5 seconds is in real life..... honestly anything under 6 is a fun time.
10-4 on that! 0-60 under 6 sec. is a quick, fun car!
Till a car that do mid 3s or high 2s go right pass you.
Dexter Sullen 'TRUTH' i mean you’ll never win every race
@@whitestallion531 my bike does 0-60 in around 3.5 and the quartermile in around 11.7so I know what you mean but cars that run 0-60 under 6 still feel fun to me..now my bike does feel slow compared to a 1000cc sportbike or a p100d Tesla tho that's for sure.
@@whitestallion531 that's so true lol and I feel it in my head and also my hands as the bike kinda Yanks away from your hands a little bit like small tugs
Love both cars, currently driving a challenger RT.
But camaros, challengers, mustangs 😍I like em all.
I love when people see the beauty in all of them.
Now you know you gotta upgrade to the GT and not the scat pack lol
@@randyr77323 No lie I'm debating if I should buy a gt350 or a charger scat pack.
Love this. I drive a 2018 Mustang GT but I'm a fan of them all. Never understood why car people close themselves off to other brands
@@andrewhaley7426 They're closed minded.
Love your videos man! Such a natural narration, really is enjoyable to watch. You can tell how enthused you are, and how much you love these machines!
I always love the comparisons no matter the outcome🔥
Thank you my friend
I agree and I own a Mustang and put a tuner on mine and it came alive...This Dodge looks amazing and would love to own either !! Wish I’d got the 2018 instead of the 2012!! Gen1 vs Gen3 5.0
@@markk709 2012 s197 is more than capable! Fbo and e85 and that thing moves!
I wouldn’t mind having a Mustang, but I love that low end torque, I love in my hellcat I can just do vicious burn outs, and when I’m on the freeway and I hit it it goes quick!
The hellcat is just a angry beast lol.. but thats part of the fun lol
Try a blower mustang then?
@@TheAdamone92 yeah people don't realize just how supercharging a Coyote 5.0 GT alone can take it to 720 hp.
Racer X, Always enjoy your videos. You are always fair and open with the opinions of different vehicles, thank you for keeping things true.
You bet Aaron.. much appreciated
I like the way you do your comparisons they are honest and straight forward
As always stay safe and healthy?
Thank you James
i agree with you 100%... Racer X is very honest about his comparisons... thank you Racer X for the great video and i hope to meet you both someday at a track. you 2 look like very fun and nice couple...
@@RacerX9 Yeeh i thought you were going to suger coet for the Dodge but you kepted it reel n true but i think meybe do uh do over n put the Michelins on the Dodge reer end, i got to sey honestly i too think the Dodge will do much better, coming from en 2019.5 Musteng GT 5.0 6 sp.menuel PP1 owner (sticken keys).
I love your videos man you give great reviews please never stop!!!!
The best move you did in this video was putting your tires on scatpack, always on point good job 👍🏻
Pretty tough sledding getting the cars to hook up. Hell even the 5.7 is really hard to get to hook up on the street! I appreciate the Sneaker Pimps clip you snuck in there! haha. Cheers
Absolutely.. spin spin sugar lol
I appreciate your honesty... I have never been beat by a R/T or Scat Pack on the street even from a roll. Traction and power delivery is the key from the Mustang 5.0. Both cars are awesome and get the job done!!!
I've had my buddy with his scat pack get me on a roll race when he got the jump. Whenever we launched at the same time I always pulled on him.
If you really think one car is faster every time, you are delusional. Racing is a good way to shorten the life of any car.
@@richardlong8014 wth? I drive my 2013 Boss 302 as it was designed. Beat the hell out of it on track. A performance car in general was tested at high rpm. My car has been solid beaten it's whole life
Of course it is a mustang I have a RT stock Challenger and Honda Accord hack back destroyed the mustang 5.0 mustang gt like like nothing stop lying
@@doloressalgado3427 smh, u on drugs or sum???
Great work Racer X......I finally sold my Scat and last week purchased a low mile 16 Hellcat Challenger. You were right...it is the car I could never have gotten the Scat to be. Holy crap....has to be experienced to understand.
niiice. ill get that hellcat charger one day lol
Ima forge my internals and add twin turbos it will definitely be what a hellcat is in terms of speed but different setup
Great content as always sir. This triggered an interesting thought for me. In the days of carburetors, cooler air increased performance. It has been my (anecdotal) experience that my newer vehicles are down on power in cooler air. I’m sure it has to do with air delivery, and fuel mapping, but I’ve not been able to find a reliable source to explain this. Not part of your presentation, just got me thinking. Stay safe 👍, Chuck
This was a fun video. It's so funny that you have that intro about hey look this is what's going on here and people claiming/show rediculously low results but you have experience and know what you are doing and still are getting close to 5sec on the street.
For a year I've been trying to get my tuned 19" VR30 Q50 into the 3.9 category and it's been a big struggle even though every one else tuned VR30 3.0t seems to find it so easy. I started out at 4.7-4.9 0-60 on the street but with a new tuner and better rear 275 tires I got down to 4.2 sec on the everyday street. I've had a few cars performance over the last 10 years where my car's performance never quite matches up to the internet's crowd's hype/numbers. Just funny how that works out. Sometimes leads me to think Dallas streets and or climate is cursed.
I use a track trans street diff combo set up and it works well for me with my 2019 charger scat. On the stock smaller tires I’ve hit the magic 4.3 0-6 probably was on an 18 of a tank at the time, on the on ramp to the parkway. I pressed, prayed and held on. I’ve never seen a challenger, charger head to head. I wonder.
Love your videos. Thanks.
I’m subscribing this guy is really smart and doesn’t studder, (outside footage) that was funny😂 good content man
Thank you my friend
I love my 2014 5.0! Great video content 🇺🇸
Thankyou sir for the comparisons. I enjoy the “real world” driving tests as this relates to someone pulling next to ya at the red light, and thinking they have a quicker car. I have personally surprised a few muscle cars when I run a 4 flat, and 12 second quarter in my Audi Quattro. I also use the dragy to verify but my difference is 0 wheel spin:)
I own a scat pack, and I discovered putting it in manual, you'll spin a bit in first gear but when you shift in to second gear it almost instantly gets grip and then boom you're gone.
you always do clear concise comparrisons ty sir
Absolutely Mike
Both are awesome cars! That 5.0 really makes a ton of power all things considered.
Watching some of your older videos. Excellent comparison video
Always great content. I own a 18' GT. However I love the challenger and chargers. Such nice big boy cars.
Great channel, honest comparison.
Love the both of these American muscle cars.
Challenger is Canada 🇨🇦 made.
Technically part of America, just not part of the USA
@@govols535 Detroit or Ontario still American muscle to me
I run 305 on my Scat from a roll its a little better but in sport mode if I make a pass on the Highway it still chirps tires when I step on it. Love the channel X ❤
The Nexen Drag Radials that come standard on my 1320 really do a good job on the street. I had a 6speed Shaker Scat before the 1320 and traction with the Goodyear 245's was a complete joke. But the Nexens handle the power WAY better. Perhaps you should get some for Mrs X's Scat. I find them to be a great street tire. I haven't been to a prepped drag strip with my car, but I am more than happy with the way the 1320 handles and launches on the street. The car is completely stock with a hellcat airbox and tube and K&N drop in filter. Also I feel the Demon's adaptive suspension in the 1320 really helps it launch. Great video. Thanks for the content. Steve
hello, i just want to say i enjoy all your videos! can i ask where you purchased your seat belt shoulder covers?
Awesome video, the two clips killed me tho 😂😂😂
I think you make a good point in ref to how each car makes it's power differently.
The Mustang with it's DOHC VVT 4 valve per cylinder engine has to rev way up to realize it's potential. The 10 speed auto definitely helps. I could here the Coyote engine shifting multie times keeping the revs up high with minimal lag.
It's RPM they have the exact same planetaries in the trans and trans gear ratios...bet the mustang is 3.55 and not the 3.15s my mustang was it was horrifically slow on the hit stock..
That’s what I love about Mustangs. Smaller engines than Brand X, but usually more efficient and the go to for a street racer, since the Fox body days...
Ford for the win 🏆
At least it was a fair unbiased review I own a Mustang and watch your channel
What are the best tires to get for the best traction ? Maybe on all 4 wheels ? I have 275's on my 2018 SP. Shaker .Thanks !
Great video. I have a 2020 widebody and on the stock 305 tires with stock tire pressure I regularly put down 4.5 or better. Shows how much tire size plays in.
On a 392 scat i have 275 but i might put 295 should i ? Or go 305?
Great video! Crazy I could get an easy 5.5 in my N. I just bought a 2018 10R80! Loving every minute so far my best on some crap kumho tires is a 4.5 according to the in car timer.
Solid work 👍
Cold tires are the biggest factor as to the reason why the 0-60's are so low. Especially with summer tires in sub 50-60 degree weather. I was able to achieve 4.56 0-60 in the stang (similar set up to the one tested) with Michelin AS3+ all seasons. (Kansas, 61 degrees ambient)
I agree. I have the Charger version and mine feels like its ice skating with tracion on in ECO Mode on stock 245. These cars are truely torquey
Just picked up a 20 Charger Scat in Octane Red. You sir are a bad influence........... Thanks for all your videos and info.
awesome.. hope you love your new car
@@RacerX9 I got to drive it home about 140 miles. Was amazing good drive. Even on I15 north cutting through Vegas.....
The difference in the widebody scat pack is so crazy, i never ran over 5 seconds 0-60
same with my GT PP1. Tires matter so much. I average a 4.3-4.4 on the street and 3.8-4.1 on track. These stock 245 they through on cars are shit
normal 2020 scat got 4.3 first run on slight uphill
@@MrMegaMrfancy Sure it did
@@poopinator22 lol
@@poopinator22 I’ve ran a 4.4 on the street with 245 factory tires at sea level.
Well I can’t say that the end result was much of a surprise to anyone lol. I trust your honesty, judgment, and experience with these performance vehicles; it just makes us that much more confident that the comparisons and reviews are fair.
I will say that perhaps a 0-60 test on the street street surface just isn’t the best way to measure the two vehicles..well you did show us how unsafe it could be if the two cars were next to each other trying to race on a regular day LOL. I would love to see perhaps a 40 roll or a 60-130 with the two cars. Does the scat pack have enough hp and torque to hold off against that top end power on the coyote? Nonetheless I had a damn good laugh at this video. Very entertaining.
Thanks buddy.. much appreciated.. Yes if it had been a little warmer that might have helped. The stang is a beast on the top end. maybe a 30-100 is right measure..
Yes it does have enough power and torque it's 300lbs heavier and it's frontal area isn't cutting thru the air like a mustang....
Tire compound similarities matter more than tire width, in my opinion. While both are 275mm in rear tire width, the MT were definitely a better tire offering better grip
Came on to the video out of curiosity since my GF has a 2017 stickshift 5.0 and I’ve got a 2021 Charger RT. Sucks to have the slower car in the relationship, but I’m at ease knowing that I can save my money since the Scatpack won’t boost my ego (was going to trade in the RT). Thanks for the video. Well done as always.
Curious if you've changed those tires on the Scat to 275s yet and if so, does it help with traction?
Great comparison between what is more common cars on the street...that’s a huge weight disparity between the two! So, to be fairly close in a roll race, you probably gonna have to know where your car is making power...can you do 30 - 60, and maybe 60 - 80...in Mexico of course🤔
What about the wide body do you think the wider tires would help?
Love these comparisons! Keep up the good work X!
What app are u using to record the 0-60 times?
Can I put a CAI mopar air intake system for challenger T/A with the hood assembly to make fully functional for my 2020 scat pack charger
I have a 2019 Scat Pack 1320, and in drag mode on the street with 30lbs of air (my normal pressure for daily driving) I have gotten a best of 3.6 to 60 mph on the street. Happened only once in perfect air. But I consistently get 3.9 it doesn't matter if I use trans brake or just punch and go. The trans brake doesn't seem to do much for a non prep surface. So that goes to show how much better it launches because of the standard Nexen Drag Radial 275's and the adaptive suspension from the Demon. The best time I ever got in my 2016 Shaker Scat Pack Challenger with the 6speed manual was a 4.2, but that only happened once in perfect air. Traction was too much of a factor with the standard Goodyear 245's on that car. Plus launching in a manual car was a bit trickier. Other than that, I was lucky to get 4.7 consistently. Great video. Steve
Hey can you get ahold of a 2009 ls3 C6 ? I really wanna see what it can do against modern muscle cars
Love this guys videos
Love the video,without actually racing the two cars. I am definitely old school.Back in the late sixties early seventies,that’s what it was all about. Pulling up at a red light and best driver, car combination win. And thinking back just running street tires,it was a lot slicker at the drag strip,than it was on the street.
I wish I could of experienced that era .now everyone wants a automatic because it’s “faster”.
@@kwilliams3161 it was a lot of fun. Cruising Main Street,picking a race and head out of town. I know it’s been basically 50 years, but times have really changed. If you could drive,9 times out of 10 the 4 speeds were faster. Don’t know how old you are, but in a great time now as far as powerful cars. These cars are ridiculously fast.
Even though you had trouble putting the power down with all that torque in cold conditions, the scatpack looks like it is more controllable. The mustang looked like it was a handful.
It looked more like a road problem to me
It looked more controllable because it was going slower 😂
Like you said there are alot of variables that go into 0-60 times, so they don't paint the whole picture for your driving experience. I enjoy the low end torque and sound of a HEMI.
I think, you can test both from 60 to 120 or so, that would show us the differences without the spinning issue.... greetings from Costa Rica 🇨🇷
Great video. I love the mopar personally. Shaker hood is sweet.
They are an absolute blast to drive
😂 the monster truck
LOL.. a little bumpy
When I had my 2015 8-speed automatic Scat if you barely tapped the throttle she would spin the tires. Those cars are all jumpy low end torque. Very fun cars to drive around town! 😁
@RacerX what camera is this?
That’s crazy. My 2013 V6 challenger SXT runs a consistent 5.2 here in Georgia. Getting a Scat Pack this Friday!
Quit the cap 🤣🤣🤣
My Scat Pack Challenger with 275's on a 75 degree morning has a best of 4.0 sec. I have several 4.1 and 4.2 sec 0 to 60. Now with 40 and 50 degree mornings I can barely (with mush prayer) get 4.6 to 4.7 sec. I have lots of 5.1's too. Same tire air pressure, and launch technique. These cars make serious power in cool temps.
Your Chris Farley clip killed me lol
lol .. good ole Chris
Another reason that the Scat Pack had a harder time putting power down is that extra 500 lbs, give or take, that it weighs over the Mustang. It requires more frictional force (traction) to get the car moving forward because the friction has to overcome the extra weight, AND it has a slightly worse front to rear weight distribution than the Mustang, hurting it even further. As an aside, if you look at the torque at the wheels of the Mustang in 1st gear with the A10,, it's very high because of the overall gear ratios, so the torque is there: 420 ft-lbs x 4.7 x 3.55 (for PP1) = 7008 ft-lbs delivered to the rear axles. The Scat pack is: 475 ft-lbs x 4.71 x 3.09 = 6,913 ft-lbs. The difference is the Scat pack is making that torque lower in engine speed, thus, slower car speed, thus, also harder to put down.
Really like the real world approach to this, most people aren't thinking about racing while just casually driving around then another fast car pulls up and all of a sudden they want to race
I daily a 05 gt. My car isn’t fast by no means of today’s standards.but still ppl try to race me from time to time.knowing damn well they gonna win.or they’ll hover next to me while I’m just cruising .
The best 0-60 time I ever hit with my 2020 mustang GT 10 speed PP1 (per the internal accelerometer and on PS4S tires) was 4.5-4.6. The more common time for me is 4.7-4.9.
Great comparison! Best 0-60 in my Widebody Scat is 4.2 bone stock. I think the tires make all the difference. The Widebody's hook up pretty well even on the stock tires.
Tires but they also have a stiffer suspension
@@AsapRockyOG Yes sir the Widebody Scat Packs have the stiffest suspension of all the Challengers.
The Mustang has the power to run 4.4s and 4.5s BUT you must have thick tires that are warmed up to handle the torque
Sounds like the mustang has a lot more interior Drone, did you find that as well?
Good stuff, you are not jaded, you drive them them all.
I figured those MTs woulda hooked up a lot better than they did. I was actually expecting it to hook MUCH better than the Mustang. Those are MT drag radials, right? I have Nitto 555Rs on the backs of my Mustangs and they hook pretty well. Mine are a little bit wider too, I put 305/30/20 on one and 305/35/18 on the other
Would it help warming up the tires via burnout for better traction? I haven't tried a 0-60 in my scatpack yet.
Trying to heat up a street tire does little to no good .. the compound it simply too hard and it does not change characteristics with heat. Also I wanted to simulate two cars essentially pulling up to stop light .. so a burnout or lowering the tire pressure would be unrealistic. I appreciate the support my friend
@@RacerX9 makes sense, at least I know the MT's still can't hook on the street
Line lock the mustang, it helps a lot, even with some crappy tires you can get way better results.
@@mobent912 yeah you’re doing something wrong
Both cars feature line lock.
@UTubeCorruptAntiFreeSpeechLiberalCo it allows you to rev higher
I had a 2020 scatpack charger last year 0-60 in 4.2 seconda but i hydroplaned in January with bald tires but im now getting a 2021 widebody charger in a week and a half just waiting on it to be delivered
Great video buddy👍
Thank you Chad
I am def a MOPAR guy, but I truly dig and appreciate you being as unbiased, neutral and honest as possible.
You need to be in politics!!!
Be safe brother, great content
Noticed, on every drag race the challenger looks like it will stall at the line on take off. Is that from wheel spin?
You said nothing about the gearing in the rear differential, does the mustang have 3:31 ,3;15 or 3:73 gears, which does the challenger have
It would be interesting to make the comparison with a Charger Scatpack, using different tires.
Yo Mr. X, another great video! Question for you. I have a 2020 Charger Scat Pack and love it but as you know it comes with 245s all around. Do you know if the non-widebody can accommodate 305s? The wide widebody with the 9.5in wheels can likely accommodate but wondering if my scat with the 9in could?
295 is the max unless you get 11" wheels. You can fit 305 but you run into different issues which in terms costs more than getting 2 wheels for the back. 11" wheels with 315 tires or 10.5 with 305
You’d have to get new rims that’ll fit the 305’s, I don’t know much but I know us non-wide body SP’s can only go up to 275’s and maybe 295, ill keep mine on 275’s until I’m ready to trade for a HC widebody
get 295 unless you’re making 500+whp 295 is plenty
Hey Racer, how do you like Shelby GT 350, considering 19 or 20 want the update?
I like those cars alot.. very fun to drive
Just curious, but what kind of 0-60 times do you and Mrs. X get with the Scat at the track?
I will have to look.. her perfomance pages are not reading correctly for the 60 foot for some reason. It currently says 0-60 in .2.. which is well....... quick lol
Those Michelin Pilot Sports on the Mustang are a great tire.
I have the same on my Scatpack Shaker. ( 275/40-20 )
On the street, (the on board computer) manages a 4.7 zero to 60.
Tire pressure at 40PSI !! 😲
I would love to see you do a comparison between the on board computer in the Scatpack with the Dragy.
Yea I hadem on my my srt jeep
Standard Scat Packs come only with 245mm tires? The 275/305s are upgrades according to which packages you buy? That’s an awfully skinny tire. Kinda like my pops 69 GTO with those 14” red line tires. That used to sit in one place and burn out indefinitely lol
If I were you I would definitely recommend getting some toyo proxy R888R track competition. Absolutely phenomenal tire
Yes. I have a 15 Rt Challenger that has a cam. I see post all day on FB with most claiming like 4.9 and as low as 4.1 with stock tires and set up. I just don't buy that. I have had several RTs now. I have never came close to those 0 to 60s. I live in Oklahoma. I know it gets humid, but stock or set up, without traction I can't get below 4.9 with my cammed Challenger. My stock I have got 5.4 with stock tires and everything.
Bruh same
Im making 404 hp to the wheels and my best is 5.1 0-60
@@FelipeGarcia-ct8qq My first pull was 405hp to the wheel. Mine has been between 4.9 and 5.1 with the same all season tires and my current 3.07 differential.
Of course, thats what I got before the cam too.
It just spins like crazy now. So, until I install the 3.09 I bought yesterday and better tires, I think that's it.
My grandson just bought a 17 Camaro SS. Definitely another contender.
Great video.
Like how we are comparing a scatpack to a GT. R/T vs a GT is the closer comparison. I'm a fan of both cars, so there's not really any bias towards any Brand. Just a better comparison
How? A R/T is 370 horsepower but weighs more vs a GT of 460 horsepower and weighs less? Are u that stupid?
@@xqcpog7597 apparently you can't see the big picture. Weight, horsepower, and torque are only part of the equation. Price is another . Cost to upgrade etc etc.. But I'm sure you took that into the equation since your such smart guy;) Nice try. Comeback when you have something useful to argue about 😉
auto week is the only magazine, or sourse that has the scatpackq quicker than the mustang gt. i wonder what kind of driver they had. i tried it myself and also came out way ahead of the scatpack.
On a cold day accurate 0-60 tests are almost impossible. If both cars had drag radials on a prepped surface like a dragstrip, the Scat Pack would win that test. I own a Procharged Mustang V6 and I generally get either car off the line because I can get traction. My car has very little torque at low RPM, 4.10 gears, and a higher stall torque converter. My 0-60 is 4 seconds giver or take about a tenth depending on the weather on drag radials. On the street with summer tires, I can get anywhere from a 4.5-5.2 seconds depending on the weather. If the temperature is in the low 50s or less, I don't even bother to try. As soon as the supercharger kicks in I lose traction. I've raced quite a few GTs and Scat Packs. The Scat Pack is quicker than the Mustang up to the eighth mile. However, the Mustang comes on strong after that. The Mustang has the advantage of being able to rev higher mainly because it has variable valve timing that controls the intake and exhaust valves independently. You can't do that with a pushrod engine that has a single camshaft like the Hemi. The 392 offsets that advantage with more displacement than the 5.0 Coyote. It's pretty much a driver's race in the quarter mile. In a roll race, the Mustang has the advantage.
I completely agree with your assessment 🤜🔥
Don’t forget mustang 3.73 gear option and all scats 3.07 gears
@@johndoe-ei5cm that's true. the automatics with the performance package will give you 3.55 but with a manual you can choose anywhere between I believe a 3.15 to a 3.73 and a 3.73 makes a big difference
@@jamesduncan8717 I’m curious how a 4.10 rear gear 10r80 would be/feel like
Great video
I banged out a 4.4 in my Challenger T/A 392 6 speed. I babied it out of the hole and didn't hammer on it until 3 grand in first gear. The outside temperature was mid 80s.
Yes the temperature can make a world of difference when it comes to traction..
@@RacerX9 Yep. You'd have to put 305s on for that car to get traction in the cold.
Try the same test on a newly paved asfault road at an 80 degree temp. My old 15 scat challenge M6 did a 4.4 under those conditions. Let me add it was cammed , LT kooks ,cai and tune. 499 whp
yes temp and road conditions make a huge difference
My buddy has the 2018 mustang GT with the performance package and the roush exhaust and it sounds absolutely amazing. My 2014 challenger RT with the 274 comp cam, bbk short tube headers and flowmaster catback exhaust sounds great too. But I'm gonna give it to his mustang I think his does sound better.
The Scatpack numbers are way off. I just traded my Shaker in for a 2020 Scat Pack with the F1 Goodyear Stock tire. I pulled under 5 with the stock tires while in track mode
ive have a 2018 mustang gt, factory stock, with factory stock all season tires. I run it on the street 0-60 and get consistent 4.74 e.t.s which was disappointing to me after seeing Evan smiths runs.no traction compound, no burnouts. since I've been drag racing since I was a very young kid, I know what im doing. much of it is properly setting up the performance modes. and having a true feel for the car. don't run it much anymore, but did run a challenger scatpack and a mustang Shelby gt350 and blew the doors off of both of them. its not only how fast the car is, its reaction time, on the left of the center of the dash there's a reaction timer. (which I discovered just recently) I had 2 runs with it. I knew my reaction time was quick, but I counted believe what the display said, 00.12 and 00.11/ that alone would win many races.
My Mustang GT 1080R with 480hp (Ford Performances Cold air intake kit with 87mm throttle body and procal 4 tune) like the Bullitt never loses any traction in Sportmode +. And I have yet to lose a non prepped race except to a Porsche or a car with a big time launch control and comparable horsepower.
Yes indeed 🔥🔥🔥🔥🐎🐎🐎🚀
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Which app did you use for the 0-60 test?
dragy
@@davidsgarage7251 thank you!
Can you put a link to that device in the description? I want to get one
I believe this is it.
www.amazon.com/Dragy-Performance-Bluetooth-MAPerformance-Lanyard/dp/B07JLY5CWN
If you just use the drag strip mode you'll get a 4.4 just simply by flooring it, however I have the 20-in wheels and the optional rear axle ratio along with a 10-speed, I'm a pretty happy camper LOL
Why are 20s better than smaller sizes? I just bought a Mustang with 19s.
So how Car and driver/Motor trend does in less than 5 seconds…? Nice video👍