@@scottsanchez2527 nobody is reading that college essay, the yall lose. Better luck next time if mustang does not take over the muscle car business. XD
@@youngkuzan7234 🤷♂️ thats your opinion and Ford is discontinuing cars hopefully they keep mustangs cause how else would we maintain a stable population yk we need population control.
Also the 2000s mustang is clearly different than the 2010s mustang in every way. Compare that 2005 mustang to a shelby gt500 idk how he can say that's the same era of car.
When they did the first episode "Evo VS Sti" I thought ok this point system is dumb but let's see if they fix it. We'll shit they didn't. In order to not piss anyone off they make up excuses to give one more point than the other, that way at the end they can say: "It's up to the viewer to figure out which is the better car". It's a lazy way for them to get more people to comment and engage so they can get noticed by the algorithm.
@@jameslowrey8419 nunh unh... Every new decade on new years we get all excited cause theres 1 more year till the new decade! Just gotta get the one with the 0 outta the way first! Happy almost new years! Lmao Some peoples children... I tell ya... Lol
I like how the fact Ford is releasing a crossover electric """Mustang""" was conveniently left off of the list. should have been a -3 points right there
@jackson meads yes it actually did and it was the same plane as the mustang did but the camaro did it for the 4th and 5th generations I would send a picture but I can’t
@Lakshya Mishra honestly, i think it should have been a tie tbh. their both great cars. 5 points was fair for starting a new type of cars tbh but they should have been tied, especially in the modern era
@@ragequitter Yeah that is obvious, they are wanting reasons for the points or better reasons, because honestly the 60s was shit for the Mustang by comparison, the Mustang was a "secretaries car" until Ford the 2nd got Shelby to fix it. And then the Camaro still had a more powerful engine. Starting the pony car segment would be credited to Ford not the Mustang itself, and it did not make the pony car segment famous around the world by itself, there a lot of other pony cars that helped. Can't use that against the Camaro that GM executives didn't think of it first. So -1 to the Mustang because it was a poop car until Shelby got involved and then -1 because it still didn't have as much power. I would give a total of 2 points for selling a shit ton, and 1 point for how good the Shelby cars were for a total of 3 points.
Danny Hampton I agree. If you would compare the first ever motorcycle helmet with the best helmet we have today, you wouldn’t rate the first helmet better because it was the first.
@@iloveboobs1119 if you like mustang's so bad why don't you become a horse breeder ? Like I'd ever drive around in a car so unoriginal its named after another mode of transportation.
Roush was always the ultimate pony car in my opinion. I am biased though Ive met Jack Roush twice in his hometown which is about 20 minutes from mine. But we shant forget Saleen either.
Same 😂 bumble bee turned me to a Camaro lover. Today I dream of owning both the zl1 1le & the z28 2 of my dream cars loll. But realistically I’m waiting for the farewell package I’m hoping the last Camaro bring something VERY special! 😭
79 is better I own one black yellow rally stripe 350 lose the bracelet keep them straight on 77 which is awesome if you know what I mean buddy happy holidays 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Its Shadow I mean they are not muscle cars but okay. Also they are not pointless. Anything that can make someone have fun or enjoy themselves are not pointless
The problem with Chevy *ick smokers is you all always talk about the same thing. The .5 or whatever second performance difference. Clearly the masses, market etc. do not care about that. If you look at total production numbers Mustang vs Camaro through their lives, you'll see that the Mustang trounces the Camaro which basically says that the public, overall performance etc. the Mustang is the better product. Yes, Chevy often stuffed bigger more powerful engines in but guess what. It didn't translate to the sales numbers.
Honestly they were both amazing vehicles, one started an entire lineage of cars and the other improved upon the original immensely how they didnt get 5 for each is beyond me
@@lanemorrow7417 A. we do not talk about the same thing we have many topics, LS engines, new releases, and, how disrespectful people can be, are just examples here B. the Mustang and Camaro are on an even level, similar engines, same class of car, similar market. C. and yeah bigger vroom vroom does not mean bigger stacks of ching ching but it's about having fun in your car, young people (which both cars were made for) like to have fun in any car as does any car enthusiast.
He’s wearing a GT shirt so I already knew he was going to give the most points to the Mustangs😂 Cobra is bad ass and all but the Dodge Ghoul Challenger 1000+ and Demon beats the competition nowadays
Camaros might be scrapped in 2023 because of their sales. They used to be number 2 behind the Mustang but they fell behind Dodge Challengers. BTW Corvettes aren't muscle car they are supercars if you didn't know.
Maxwell Brown corvettes are just now being turned into supercars since they’re mid engine, when they were front mounted engine they were just sports cars
@@Cofel_-z yeah you right about that. Isn't Chevy gonna stop making the Mid Engine Corvette. And also ether Ford mustang or the Chevy Camaro one or other is supposed to be making them 800 hp electric cars. I just hope they don't do that cause to me it will just flat out suck. Who wants a electric muscle car that doesn't have that nice sounding cam I sure don't. And I will never ever own a muscle car that's electric sorry I just can't do that. And a nother thing you can't call it a American muscle car anymore if you change it to electric. Just thought I would throw that in to....lol
Chevy and Dodge can both Thank Ford for keeping the Mustang around and bringing back old school styling in 2005, reigniting a new muscle car generation.
Or simply give 1 point each round. Either a car wins, or it loses. Nothing like 3 or 4 points based on a lot of different things, just direct competition. 5 'decades', 5 points in total, one of them wins.
you remember the first race in 2 Fast 2 Furious when Brian was so far ahead that Suki and Orange Julius were just having their own race way in the back? yeah, Brian was Dodge and Suki and OJ were Mustang and Camaro.
16:04 ..everyone sees a yellow camaro and says it bumblebee but no one saw a police mustang and said its barricade lol .........i started loving camaros bcz of transformers and loves it till now
Wade Dungan doesn’t make a lot of sense to make a 2000’s category. The Camaro was gone from 2002-2009. Would’ve been an easy win for the Mustang due to lack of competition from Chevy
@@VIccs826 the Mustang was there for 3 years longer in the 60s too. Camaro was easily better in 2002 and when it was reintroduced. But Mustang would have gotten more points for basically getting the market back to profitability.
Wade Dungan ya they really should have separated at least the 2014 from the 2000’s as it is the car that actually brought back the coyote as well as destroyed the camaro in top speed.
Yeah, we really needed to separate the '00s from the '10s. Mustang would have still won that round, but I think Camaro has made some gains in the '10s, so it would have been good to distinguish between the decades. Overall I think Camaro dominated the '10s performance-wise, though clearly Mustang outsold the Camaro once again, especially toward the end of the decade. I the end, "best" is subjective. For me, I've always been a Mustang fan and it will always be the ultimate winner in my heart. But I also can't deny the performance of the Camaro, and it has consistently gotten high marks. The styling was never my cup of tea, and the visibility has suffered from the design-first philosophy, but the IRS and the chassis have always been high points for the Camaro as well. Going forward the 2020 GT500 has really see a new bar, and I'm interested to see what Camaro does next. Though the styling needs a redesign in my book, they could really improve the interior visibility and move away from the concept design a little more. I'm not a big fan of the recent refresh and I wish they'd be a little more adventurous.
wasn't the best year but they failed to mention the king cobra my dad had one they came with a 351 made like 300hp he loved it they were light and smoked the tire off.
@@JustAstroThings I think he means he recapped that the camaro was better in every single way in the 60s but ford had the idea first so they got more points
@@leoolivares3261 yeah, but isn't he talking about performance of the car?? Market share shouldn't be an important matter in that discussion. The only thing that matters is performance
@@lucasavelar5017 Well it matters that the car was a massive success too, If they only sold a couple thousand the Camaro would have gotten points because it would have been way more successful
I've been partial towards Ford my whole life. I have owned almost nothing but Ford's and always thought I would buy a Mustang some day. But much to the surprise of everyone around me (including myself), I placed a deposit on a new Camaro. What can I say? Camaro's look so damn good.
dagelijks te laten videos chevy changes the blazer to look like an SUV Camaro.....no stop it bad chevy thank god they didn’t follow ford and slap a Camaro badge on it
The reason is that the Camaro didn't release until 2010 after being discontinued in 2002, making the Camaro practically meaningless in that era, giving the Mustang probably too many points going into the next round.
Well the Camaro would have been out for most of the 2000-2010 decade so the mustang would have taken a massive lead for being pretty much the only one. But that's on Chevy for being lame so the mustang should have at least 20 points.
I've always been a Ford guy as I've owned 3 mustangs in my life 2000 GT, 2007 GT and 2012 ROUSH (currently). But I've always loved the 2011 SS Camaro's aggressive look and design, it's seriously one of the best looking sport cars ever made. Deep inside I wanted one at that time.
@@Ruggid111 it's cute that when you see GT you think Mustang as if it stands for nothing else but Mustang. The bias is yours and yours alone. BTW his shirt is about the GT race series.
Yianni Konstantinopolites people like to compare them cause of their engine horsepower capabilities, but both of their fanboys are so annoying always thinking they come factory with 1k hp
thomasj1026 Yes actually, Chevy decided to stop production of the Camaro. That’s not on the Mustang, why should it lose an entire decade of points. Besides, Camaro still would’ve lost that decade as Mustang had the Terminator, the S197 which literally defined the look of muscle cars for the next decade, and the Shelby GT500. Even if the Camaro had come out with some cool shit, the best they could’ve gotten was 5 to 4. The was easily one of most impactful decades for the Mustang.
thomasj1026 yes the decade still exists and the camero wasn’t there. Just because camero ran back to the whole it belongs for a while doesn’t mean we don’t talk about the mediocre mustangs that still happened
I owned a mustang, and a camro. I really really prefer camaros, I have a 2017 all decked out camaro zl1 and its one of the funnest cars I've ever driven.
That's all the young crowd have been brainwashed to believe that since VW lied about their MPG rating a few years ago they need to be cancelled or "woke" so the snowflakes can sleep at night. "VW BAD"
Scott Boudreau the only GM muscle car to fill that 03-09 era was the Pontiac GTO and G8. I know it’s not a Camaro but I think it’s worth noting how much superior in performance the GTO was compared to the 2005 Mustang GT was but we all saw how it turned out in the end for Pontiac.
I'm a Mustang fan but this video needed more work. The current gen Camaro should have gotten more points on the last round; it's a better car performance wise and the chassis is better sorted. Also, it's remarkable how you all managed to miss the current gen GT350...
@@Tiralful I Turo'd a Camaro and yeah I can see the visibility being a deal breaker. I thought both interiors were pretty similar quality wise, but the Mustang seems better thought out. I like the design more too.
as a dodge guy, they are completely even until you take into account electric mustang and e c o b o o s t so camaro wins even with the catfish generation
@@InuranusBrokoff actually gm has always been very competitive when dealing with ford. Occasionally Winning in all areas. What made ford stand apart was their special edition cars. They just had more hype for some reason. They weren't necessarily better all the time.
@@josephpruitt2067 Yeah, I'd say that it was definitely doing pretty damn bad against the mustang if the camaro didn't even exist at the time, so I agree with the host's choice there
@@brodymcdade901 Sure, definitely mad at stats when the Camaro outperformed the Mustang in everyway , but he still gave the Mustang more points because it was first. It's just very biased.
Yeah and who is this rando that’s deciding the points? What cred does he have to be deciding and doling them out lol? I dont take him as being some kind of expert, just seems like any other dude talking about cars.
I'm a Ford guy through and through, but this video made me realize how much cooler the Camaro is than I ever thought. The scores on this made no sense to me
“We’re going to be be unbiased in this video” Then proceeds to make the mustang the winner when they spent 5 minutes straight on how much better the Camaro is in every way.
@@fab4468 No but we abouta be in 2023. Look, it’s gonna be discontinued. That automatically puts the mustang in first by right of just plainly still existing
The fact that you didn't give the 60's to the Mustang and hardly gave the Camaro the 70's you got this ass backwards. A 79 Camaro was a badass car and the Mustang II was a rebadged Pinto.
I was born in the wrong time period, my dad tells me when he was young you’d be able to find Mach 1’s, fastbacks and camaros on the side of the road for sale for $1000
WheelsOff Weaver It was during the time which Chevy had no answer to it, so why bother? If he mentioned every sub-model the video would be an hour long.
So a few things. The 6th gen zl1 1le wasnt the first time the camarowas beating super cars at the ring. The 5th gen z28 still to this day has a better lap time than many super cars at the time and even some base models that are newer. The 5th gen ss was also used for u2 landing and the camarl has been the car of choise for nascat safety car for a long long time now.
@@zacharydohn2416 yeah it was cool af. But I think that rivalry is also spread with Ford. In fact I think that's the real rivalry there. Ford vs Chevrolet vs Dodge
Your statement is based on the muscle car guy argument. Companies base the success of a car based on sales, not performance stats. Camaros were built to outperform mustangs and did so consistantly. Ford almost always sold more cars. Mustang started as a sports coupe (sort of like a miata) until camaro and firebird came along. GM essentially created the muscle car craze with "pony" cars. (like they did with the mid size cars) In the end though, without the mustang the camaro wouldn't exist. Not that this point system makes any sense.. but they do get some. Lol
@@erwinklassen8603 But this isn't a video about which car sold more per decade, it's about a head to head comparison on the cars as a whole. To say "the Camaro was better in just about every way, but the Mustang was first, therefore the Mustang gets a higher score" is just asinine.
@@sstevocamaro worked on my mom back in the day lol. Red 64.5 that she kept mint till the 80s, then my dad made her get rid of it bc he didn't want it sitting next to his 63 Vette lol
Yes😉but did not want to be to hard on him 😂😂😂🤣🤣. Just look at what 70's Camaro's are going for and how much mustang are going for 🤔maybe he should some more research just saying in my opinion. I would love 68 fastback or 68 firebird or 73 split bumper! I owned a 83 Z28 t top with the factory fiberglass front end and had a 350 and automatic trans i miss that car
@Mike, that's exactly what I was thinking. @Justin, it's better to retire as a muscle car than to keep going as a fat crossover. I'm a Chevy fan, but IMHO, the last gen Mustang looks way better than the Camaro.
He gave it to mustang, because without the mustang, the world wouldn't have been blessed with the camaro, so yes, thanks mustang, you may not be as good or as cool, but you gave us what we really all wanted and deserve, camaros
I think the 69 camaro was the best for styling. Always wanted one. When I was in my teens everyone had one. Now, I have no clue what one would be worth in order to get a fair deal. I would just want one that was fixed up, and not original.
"This is totally unbiased" also "The Camaro beat the Mustang in every aspect but the Mustang was so popular I'll just let it have a point more than the Camaro just for the sales alone"
If you wait to release a model change until after your competition does, every single time, you better be able to make it better. Or you wouldn’t even be in the conversation.
@@thomasj1026 he still "took away" points for that regardless though i dont see what the diffrence would have been other than an argument being made that "it wasnt biased"
@@thomasj1026 Yes but ford had three different generations of Mustang during those years. They had the Generation from the 90s, the new edge, the rebirth of the OG look models, and the S255s. All three of the Gens had big names, the Terminator mustang, the rebirth of the GT500, And look at the new GT500, or GT350, The Camaro isnt up to snuff today, the top of the line model can't compete with the Mustang top of the line model, its not really a fair comparison either, due to the fact the Top of the line Camaro hasnt been revamped recently, and if rumors are to be believed, the Camaro is going to be discontinued somewhat soon
1st . I ll say I m a Camaro fan over a Mustang, That being said your right Camaro was Cancelled and then brought back way late considering they could have built a 5th gen. from the Catera or the Monoro earlier. Also Camaro should of lost points because of the 6th gen restyle lacked imagination and look like a clone of 5th despite being a far better car. BUT mustang should loose because its now an Electric family suv...lol
This was a joke. The 90s Ford mustangs and pretty much all of the 2000-2010 fords were seriously blown away by the lt1s and then later the ls1s...half of the shit he was saying is stupid. By the way, the ls1 made around 370-385 horsepower. Didn’t matter if it was a vette a firebird or a Camaro. They all were the exact same engine.
"I'm going to try to be unbiased" - talks about the Iron Duke even though you could get a 305 in the same car. You also could in fact get a manual in the iroc
There was never any s197 SVT Cobra? S197 is 2005+, you are probably (hopefully) talking about the New Edge SN-95 facelift cars... But then, you're also woefully wrong about your specs there, too- the Cobra started with 320hp for '99, although they were actually short some on dyno-tests; due to the bad publicity, Ford fixed that pretty quickly. In 2000, they released the Cobra R, with 385hp (claimed). This engine may have produced a little more, but definitely not 150hp more. The last, and best Cobra aside from the Cobra R was the Terminator, introduced in 2003, with 390 hp from its supercharged V8. During this time, ford also produced the Mach I, which was a tad above 300hp, while the GT remained stuck with a paltry 260 until the 2005. Perhaps you are trying to call the Shelby GT-500 a Cobra, though? It's not. That did come with 500+ hp, but it has been consistently outmatched by the Camaro ZL1 (and the briefly returned Z28) since the latter's inception.
@David S not a camaro guy I think he is pretty even and biased things can be found for both since he did say "The camaro who beats supercars on the track, I gotta give 3 points for the camaro (and gives 4 points for mustang). It is not biased your just mad the car you didn't like got points or won a section.
Yeah but in 2018 the Mustang GT came back with 460 horsepower. It would be kinda pointless to constantly go back and forth through every year change, the Mustang at it’s best beats the Camero at it’s best and in the end that’s what matters.
@@gilbertalvarez95 The description of the video states that it is about which is the better muscle or "pony" car though. And besides although Ford tried to pay tribute to the Mach 1 through the Mach E it is not a successor as they are two separate genres of car. Ford is making a true electric mustang which would better to succeed the Mach 1 as a muscle car.
I feel like there was a LOT of Favor towards the Mustang, because even in the rounds where you were hyping up the Camaro you still gave the mustang the win
Yep, The 90's are the one that i specifically noticed. He described the camaro as coming out with almost 100 more horsepower than the mustang. Then went on about how the camaro then upgraded to the ls1. Then said mustang eventually added about 75 horsepower and made the cars somewhat even, then proceded to give the mustang the win. dont make any sense
I've got to say it. He forgot to mention how dangerous the Pinto bodies were, if you were to tap the rear, it would explode. The Iron Duke only caught on fire in the Fiero because Pontiac made the oil pan smaller in order to fit it in, they also forgot to mention how good on fuel and extremely reliable it was. One smaller thing, the wait between 2002 and 2008 is six years, not 8. Edit: grammar
@@silentplays9808 Sales numbers in the 90's are why the Mustang won that. The Mustang outsold the Camaro handily. They were pretty close in the first few years of the when the 4th Gen came out. Then Camaro sales were half of a Mustang sold the next year and continued to plummet even until they cancelled it.
@@SkylineBNR34Hey, not gonna lie i love the 4th gen camaro vs the mustangs of the same year. On paper, aerodynamics, and track times, the camaro won most of the battles for that year. Im honestly kind of confused as to how/why the camaro got outsold when its competitor was so much slower? Thanks for letting me know that though.
Camaro Z28 had a turbo 6 cylinder as well.. it never got mentioned either.. the way the trans and diff was geared, it was a seriously little bad ass that would take out most V8 stock for stock, not to mention the modded versions..
"Volkswagen vs. Environmental Law"
You had me
Deeeym. Got clapped hahaha
Hanz, hol den Flammenwerfer!
Didn’t they cheat on the gas omissions on the golf?
@@mavejonson9051 on everything
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Combining the 2000's with 2010's was not a good move.
Neither was having the camero gone for 8 yrs
Don't forget Chevy didn't even bother promoting one of America's best sport sedans, that they named after a trim package.
@@scottsanchez2527 nobody is reading that college essay, the yall lose. Better luck next time if mustang does not take over the muscle car business. XD
@@youngkuzan7234 🤷♂️ thats your opinion and Ford is discontinuing cars hopefully they keep mustangs cause how else would we maintain a stable population yk we need population control.
@@scottsanchez2527 good point and you not getting press about what I said is pretty cool, have a good day or night
“Do you know how long 20 seconds is? It’s this long” a random 20 sec ad popped up on my screen💀💀💀 I was baffled
No fr
Same lol
I wasn't aware a decade could last 20 years.
I dunno. These last couple months feel like they've taken a decade or so.
The camaro was reintroduced in 2010 wich would give the mustang a too big of a lead after the 00s
Probably cause the Camaro didn’t exist for a chunk of one of those decades
He should have gave Ford points for being the only one still around in the 2000s and then moved on to the 2010s.
Also the 2000s mustang is clearly different than the 2010s mustang in every way. Compare that 2005 mustang to a shelby gt500 idk how he can say that's the same era of car.
Lol I’m not arguing with the end result but your random point system was a joke!
Notwhou Thinkiam agreed. I’m a Mustang guy, so glad to see it come out on top, but the point system was all over the place.
He gave the Camaro points for literately being made after the mustang.
Thought i was watching Food Network Buddy vs Duff for a minute..lol
@@DevinEMILE points for participating lol
When they did the first episode "Evo VS Sti" I thought ok this point system is dumb but let's see if they fix it. We'll shit they didn't. In order to not piss anyone off they make up excuses to give one more point than the other, that way at the end they can say: "It's up to the viewer to figure out which is the better car". It's a lazy way for them to get more people to comment and engage so they can get noticed by the algorithm.
The point system aside, I feel like the 2000s and the 2010s should really each be their own decade, especially since we’ve started the new 2020 decade
Ricardo Aguilar exactly...
2020 is the last year of the previous decade
@@alexandergrigorov2324 how do you figure? It is always 0-9, hence 2010-2019, 2020-2029, etc...decades start with the 0 year not 1
2000-ford
2010-chevy
@@jameslowrey8419 nunh unh... Every new decade on new years we get all excited cause theres 1 more year till the new decade! Just gotta get the one with the 0 outta the way first! Happy almost new years! Lmao
Some peoples children... I tell ya... Lol
“For the mustang existing, im going to give it 16 points.”
“And for the Camaro being one of the best muscle cars ever, im going to give it 1 point.”
“I’ll try to be unbiased”
Gives mustang 5 points after constantly talking about how the Camaro won the decade
I like how the fact Ford is releasing a crossover electric """Mustang""" was conveniently left off of the list. should have been a -3 points right there
Imma ford guy buh I’m with u on that😭😭😭
Can I also say that the camaro also helped land fighter jets
@jackson meads yes it actually did and it was the same plane as the mustang did but the camaro did it for the 4th and 5th generations I would send a picture but I can’t
@Lakshya Mishra honestly, i think it should have been a tie tbh. their both great cars. 5 points was fair for starting a new type of cars tbh but they should have been tied, especially in the modern era
if the point system was explained this would be better but there’s like no explanation for this random ass point system
Agree, even have the point system, it should given 1 point every versus
he should of broke down the points. in something like sales, reliability, ect.
It’s out of 5, like how people rate movies
@@ragequitter Yeah that is obvious, they are wanting reasons for the points or better reasons, because honestly the 60s was shit for the Mustang by comparison, the Mustang was a "secretaries car" until Ford the 2nd got Shelby to fix it. And then the Camaro still had a more powerful engine. Starting the pony car segment would be credited to Ford not the Mustang itself, and it did not make the pony car segment famous around the world by itself, there a lot of other pony cars that helped. Can't use that against the Camaro that GM executives didn't think of it first. So -1 to the Mustang because it was a poop car until Shelby got involved and then -1 because it still didn't have as much power. I would give a total of 2 points for selling a shit ton, and 1 point for how good the Shelby cars were for a total of 3 points.
Danny Hampton I agree. If you would compare the first ever motorcycle helmet with the best helmet we have today, you wouldn’t rate the first helmet better because it was the first.
"The camaro is better than the mustang in literally every way, and thats why the mustang wins this round."
Chevys are dog crap in every way
@@iloveboobs1119 Bozos mad
@@iloveboobs1119 that's why Chevy beat mustang in every way🤣🤣
@@gurlypop639 well i would rather not be stuck on the side of the highway in a piece of crapcamaro
@@iloveboobs1119 if you like mustang's so bad why don't you become a horse breeder ? Like I'd ever drive around in a car so unoriginal its named after another mode of transportation.
Mentions: Shelby and RTR
Roush : Am I a joke to you
No Saleen cause they make more than just stangs and other Fords
The Shelby is a Roush configuration, along with the Boss Mustang. That wasn't mentioned either. This guy was lacking the whole video.
Roush was always the ultimate pony car in my opinion. I am biased though Ive met Jack Roush twice in his hometown which is about 20 minutes from mine. But we shant forget Saleen either.
Chris Ross Saleen 😳
Don’t forget Saleen too
Saleen: am I nothing to you?
Funnily enough, transformers is what got me into Camaros as well!😂 But to this day, I still actually would love to have the ‘77 model over the later!
Same 😂 bumble bee turned me to a Camaro lover. Today I dream of owning both the zl1 1le & the z28 2 of my dream cars loll. But realistically I’m waiting for the farewell package I’m hoping the last Camaro bring something VERY special! 😭
I own two camaros because of transformers.
I have a 77
79 is better I own one black yellow rally stripe 350 lose the bracelet keep them straight on 77 which is awesome if you know what I mean buddy happy holidays 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@FranciscoJewelerwould u recommend a 2nd Gen Camaro?
2000's and 2010's could have been separated they are two different decades
Yeah but it wouldn't be much of a competition then, the Mustang pretty much dominated the decade
Ford should lose points for all those dumbasses coming out of car shows crashing. 00 and early 10s
Sithlord2225 the 2000’s you mean
Jay Trock got a point there
@@sithlord2225 so you think the 2005 ford gt would dominate the 2002 camaro ss?
Honestly I feel you should've done the 2000s, 2010s and 2020s separately instead of just one section.
FastCarsNoRules220 video by the decades: Lumps together 2000s 2010s and 2020....
2020's hasnt ended yet lmao
And the 70s like the Mach 1 had more power than the mustang 2
Then Chevy would've gotten 0 points for the 2000's since the Camaro went away. I'm pretty sure that's why he lumped them together
We’re still in 2020 fool
Anyone who starts off with "I'm going to try to be unbiased." Is already biased
Harry Falkenberg the second he said that I knew mustang took the win
Ill be unbiased and say both suck and muscle cars are pointless
Its Shadow I mean they are not muscle cars but okay. Also they are not pointless. Anything that can make someone have fun or enjoy themselves are not pointless
This comment is full of salty kids. JDM cars have always been putting out more power and have always been faster.
@@oatmealenthusiast4330 but they have to be tuned / upgraded.....
Because out of factory they r pretty slow compared to mustangs and camaros.
The scoring for the 60’s was crazy 😂. Dude literally talked about how the ZL1 Camaro spanked the GT 500 but still gave more points to the Mustang 😂
The problem with Chevy *ick smokers is you all always talk about the same thing. The .5 or whatever second performance difference. Clearly the masses, market etc. do not care about that. If you look at total production numbers Mustang vs Camaro through their lives, you'll see that the Mustang trounces the Camaro which basically says that the public, overall performance etc. the Mustang is the better product. Yes, Chevy often stuffed bigger more powerful engines in but guess what. It didn't translate to the sales numbers.
Honestly they were both amazing vehicles, one started an entire lineage of cars and the other improved upon the original immensely how they didnt get 5 for each is beyond me
@@lanemorrow7417hate to break it to you but the Nissan Altima is better then your mustang because it’s bought way more, dumbass argument
the camaro would even exist if the mustang didn't pave the way.
@@lanemorrow7417 A. we do not talk about the same thing we have many topics, LS engines, new releases, and, how disrespectful people can be, are just examples here
B. the Mustang and Camaro are on an even level, similar engines, same class of car, similar market.
C. and yeah bigger vroom vroom does not mean bigger stacks of ching ching but it's about having fun in your car, young people (which both cars were made for) like to have fun in any car as does any car enthusiast.
Dude: “The Camaro is better.”
Dude again: *And that’s why the Mustang gets more points.*
Facts
YES😂💀
He’s wearing a GT shirt so I already knew he was going to give the most points to the Mustangs😂 Cobra is bad ass and all but the Dodge Ghoul Challenger 1000+ and Demon beats the competition nowadays
Ikr
Facts😂
I feel like the Camaro is overshadowed by the corvette especially recently
Convicted03 ! I agree, you should add the Mustang and Challenger to that list too.
Camaros might be scrapped in 2023 because of their sales. They used to be number 2 behind the Mustang but they fell behind Dodge Challengers. BTW Corvettes aren't muscle car they are supercars if you didn't know.
Maxwell Brown corvettes are just now being turned into supercars since they’re mid engine, when they were front mounted engine they were just sports cars
@@Cofel_-z yeah you right about that. Isn't Chevy gonna stop making the Mid Engine Corvette. And also ether Ford mustang or the Chevy Camaro one or other is supposed to be making them 800 hp electric cars. I just hope they don't do that cause to me it will just flat out suck. Who wants a electric muscle car that doesn't have that nice sounding cam I sure don't. And I will never ever own a muscle car that's electric sorry I just can't do that. And a nother thing you can't call it a American muscle car anymore if you change it to electric. Just thought I would throw that in to....lol
Apples to oranges comparison bud. Corvette is a two seat sports car, Camaro is not.
“Volkswagen vs environmental law” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
'VW v Enviornment' 😂
tew6 haha
I love vw and that had me crying btw people got it all wrong vw didn’t lie
That got me. I laughed out loud 😂😂😂
tew6 Dieselgate who? Lol...
Chevy and Dodge can both Thank Ford for keeping the Mustang around and bringing back old school styling in 2005, reigniting a new muscle car generation.
And they gonna thank them in a few years when electric doesn’t work for them and they bring V8’s back
1971 oil crisis, almost over 30 years, made the muscle car disappear.
@@maybach300c there back
I would enjoy this if there wasn’t a random points system. Just compare them and let us decide who won.
Tommy Hughes it just makes the whole thing seem biased due to the point system
yh its totally subjective
Agreed
Or simply give 1 point each round. Either a car wins, or it loses. Nothing like 3 or 4 points based on a lot of different things, just direct competition. 5 'decades', 5 points in total, one of them wins.
There's no way for a set up like this to be unbiased. I would be down for a public pole instead
The most confusing scoring metric with no set rules or values. I have no clue what’s going on with the scoring here
Bolt Terrakion yea the way he score doesn’t make much sense, but it’s a fun vid though
🤣
Nobody knows what it means...... but I guess it's provocative
It gets the people goin
Title: 'stang vs. camaro
Fighting for:best muscle car.....
Dodge challenger: sad v8 noises
Camaro v8
😂😂😂
to young go back to kindergarden
you remember the first race in 2 Fast 2 Furious when Brian was so far ahead that Suki and Orange Julius were just having their own race way in the back? yeah, Brian was Dodge and Suki and OJ were Mustang and Camaro.
Dodge is the best i think
16:04 ..everyone sees a yellow camaro and says it bumblebee but no one saw a police mustang and said its barricade lol .........i started loving camaros bcz of transformers and loves it till now
Barricades mustang is all moded to fit a police car and he not as popular so it kinda makes sense
I liked barricade a lot more 🤣
I do
Real transformers fans know bumblebee is a VW bug...🤷♂️💯
Barricade was also a Saleen.
"I'm going to separate the car into decades!"
*Puts the 00's and 10's in one category*
Wade Dungan doesn’t make a lot of sense to make a 2000’s category. The Camaro was gone from 2002-2009. Would’ve been an easy win for the Mustang due to lack of competition from Chevy
@@VIccs826 the Mustang was there for 3 years longer in the 60s too. Camaro was easily better in 2002 and when it was reintroduced. But Mustang would have gotten more points for basically getting the market back to profitability.
Yeah it’s called twentycade
Wade Dungan ya they really should have separated at least the 2014 from the 2000’s as it is the car that actually brought back the coyote as well as destroyed the camaro in top speed.
Yeah, we really needed to separate the '00s from the '10s. Mustang would have still won that round, but I think Camaro has made some gains in the '10s, so it would have been good to distinguish between the decades. Overall I think Camaro dominated the '10s performance-wise, though clearly Mustang outsold the Camaro once again, especially toward the end of the decade.
I the end, "best" is subjective. For me, I've always been a Mustang fan and it will always be the ultimate winner in my heart. But I also can't deny the performance of the Camaro, and it has consistently gotten high marks. The styling was never my cup of tea, and the visibility has suffered from the design-first philosophy, but the IRS and the chassis have always been high points for the Camaro as well.
Going forward the 2020 GT500 has really see a new bar, and I'm interested to see what Camaro does next. Though the styling needs a redesign in my book, they could really improve the interior visibility and move away from the concept design a little more. I'm not a big fan of the recent refresh and I wish they'd be a little more adventurous.
Me, a ford fan: This is an easy win
Me after seeing the 70s catagory and remember the Mustang II: We lost
Damian L yea but then you look at the 2010's and the Camaro was pretty much non-existent.
mustang ii electric boogaloo
wasn't the best year but they failed to mention the king cobra my dad had one they came with a 351 made like 300hp he loved it they were light and smoked the tire off.
He could stretch more about my Childhood favorite show Knight Rider.
KITT is bascially the twin of Camaro. But I bought a Mustang eventually.
Shawn Prickett I'm if your talking about a mustang II king cobra those made more like 140hp. You're dad's would have been heavily moded to make 300hp
Him: talks about how the Camaro beat Ford in every way, Continues to give Ford more points
Flashback: "I'm not going to be biased"
But it doesn’t matter the og mustang invented the muscle/pony car that’s why it won
@@bingbippo1073 it absolutely did not. The GTO did
@@P5Fan22 at least he was trying his best not to be biased tho
@@P5Fan22 well the camaro will never exist without the mustang tho
@@EnzoNotFerrari21 yeah I agree but still
As a die hard lover of my mustang, I just have love and respect for everyone with a pony car that brings them joy and a good attitude
I ride a.stallion not a pony,
What year is it
“I’m gonna try to be unbiased” -immediately starts out biased 😂
How?
@@JustAstroThings I think he means he recapped that the camaro was better in every single way in the 60s but ford had the idea first so they got more points
@@wasru. they got more points because they set a record high for sales
@@leoolivares3261 yeah, but isn't he talking about performance of the car?? Market share shouldn't be an important matter in that discussion. The only thing that matters is performance
@@lucasavelar5017 Well it matters that the car was a massive success too, If they only sold a couple thousand the Camaro would have gotten points because it would have been way more successful
I’m a Mustang guy but there’s so much to love about Camaros too
I'm a huge camaro guy but there are also things to love about the mustang
Ethan Ostrom I’m a mustang and camaro guy, but there’s so much to love about dodge too 😂
Man you at all so nice I personally like the Camaro and dont know any mustang I'd want to own
I'm a Chevy guy, but I just like fast cars, Mustangs included
I've been partial towards Ford my whole life. I have owned almost nothing but Ford's and always thought I would buy a Mustang some day. But much to the surprise of everyone around me (including myself), I placed a deposit on a new Camaro. What can I say? Camaro's look so damn good.
ford: makes a electric suv and sticks a mustang badge on it.
chevy and dodge: confused noises
dagelijks te laten videos chevy changes the blazer to look like an SUV Camaro.....no stop it bad chevy thank god they didn’t follow ford and slap a Camaro badge on it
I hate Mitsubishi doing so on Eclipse and EVO as well. Can't you name these soccer moms' transportation the other names ? 🤬
GM: *laughs in hummer*
Hsin why evo, its not a lancer so most things are all right. But yes, the eclipse thing is ... I better don’t say that
Its the nest mustang so far. Mach E
I love how they lump the last 20 years into a decade...
When the most significant technology advances are happening in these years also
The reason is that the Camaro didn't release until 2010 after being discontinued in 2002, making the Camaro practically meaningless in that era, giving the Mustang probably too many points going into the next round.
Well the Camaro would have been out for most of the 2000-2010 decade so the mustang would have taken a massive lead for being pretty much the only one. But that's on Chevy for being lame so the mustang should have at least 20 points.
Then in my opinion, you lump the 90s and 2000s together
The most exciting and competitive time as well, ignoring late 60s and early 70s
"Here's why the camaro is better" gives mustang more points
Do you know what a opinion you cants say something’s better
Kendog2.o Gaming dude your like six with that English and Ford has crayon eaters I’d rather have dodge vs chevy
Basically the whole video lol
@@timmyrehanek9576 you're like 12 yrs old right
@@timmyrehanek9576 .... wut?
This man blinked 3 times through out the entire video.
How do you notice that 😂
I tried to blink when he did. I failed
American cars suck European car are best
@@tristanheaton2127 what’s that got to do with anything
@@aftermath_crew912 lol idk I just want my hot takes out there
I've always been a Ford guy as I've owned 3 mustangs in my life 2000 GT, 2007 GT and 2012 ROUSH (currently). But I've always loved the 2011 SS Camaro's aggressive look and design, it's seriously one of the best looking sport cars ever made. Deep inside I wanted one at that time.
Moral of the story:
Everyone benefits from competition.
YES
Economics in a nutshell
Not necessarily true. Pretty sure Boeing have some regrets on the 737 Max 8.
Sean Bailey Fair point. That is a fairly solid exception.
Communist crying in the dark
It's funny how mustang earned 5 points due to sales but when Camaro was leading in sales it gained 3 points. Biased anyone ?
The guy owns a mustang, so I feel a little biased
Well the Camaro is owned by inbreds so there’s that. Don’t get so butthurt
over an opinion video sonny.
The GT shirt kinda reveals everything
5 points for setting an "all time sales record" not for just leading. There is a huge difference.
@@Ruggid111 it's cute that when you see GT you think Mustang as if it stands for nothing else but Mustang. The bias is yours and yours alone. BTW his shirt is about the GT race series.
In the end we all know it's all about personal preference,
same as evo vs wrx, same as supra vs skyline and same as merc vs bmw.
There will always be a superior choice but it’s all your choice.
고등 지능 ODINS trash *cough* challenger
You can't compare a Supra and a skyline, there two totally different things and one is awd and the other is 2wd.
Yianni Konstantinopolites people like to compare them cause of their engine horsepower capabilities, but both of their fanboys are so annoying always thinking they come factory with 1k hp
evo is better supra is faster bmw is more fun that's my choice
Why do I feel like this guy is just throwing around points arbitrarily?
Cause he is
stay mad
Mason Elam why are u mad at him?
Doug. It’s not bc we mad it’s just pretty annoying and I don’t like mustangs or camaros
Cause this show is bs
He’s just gonna skip over the 2005 mustang shelby gt500 and the death of carol Shelby???
Boyd Skobel lmao his death didnt ruin the mustang or anything
Joe Stacks they never made a 2012 gt350...
@@sidsideways2828 it was a GT500 if i remember rightly the GT350 didn't return till the 2016 GT350
@@DevinEMILE you're correct
Boyd Skobel i mean he just skipped over the entire 6th gen camaro besides the zl1 soo
This man really combined the 2000s and 2010s into one decade
There was no Camaro from 2002-2009. You want the mustang to have a free round?
thomasj1026 Yes actually, Chevy decided to stop production of the Camaro. That’s not on the Mustang, why should it lose an entire decade of points. Besides, Camaro still would’ve lost that decade as Mustang had the Terminator, the S197 which literally defined the look of muscle cars for the next decade, and the Shelby GT500. Even if the Camaro had come out with some cool shit, the best they could’ve gotten was 5 to 4. The was easily one of most impactful decades for the Mustang.
@@demongawl true, but we can all agree. the 90 mustangs sucked lol. 215hp. My turbocharged 4 cylinder makes 270 lol. (not a mustang or camaro)
@@silentplays9808 you right. i mean 215hp in 1970-1980s yeah aight but a mustang with that shitty hp 1990? get out ford
thomasj1026 yes the decade still exists and the camero wasn’t there. Just because camero ran back to the whole it belongs for a while doesn’t mean we don’t talk about the mediocre mustangs that still happened
Team Camaro where y’all at?
9:01 do you know how long 20 seconds is??
That’s how long you should was your hands with soap and water.
Big facts
unfortunately as a camaro statistic...its way way wrong . 13 seconds is closer
Day 112 of asking James to do an Up to speed on his Dad
lol
Sadly his dad left for milk before James could remember him well
Lol
OK I'll come with you
Yes this
Get somebody who actually knows how to Doug score in here.
Quirks and whateva he says
@@notanotheryoutubechannel777 - "... and features"
Thiiisssssss is a
Doug Demoron is a poorly informed brochure reading idiot !
Cringe
I owned a mustang, and a camro. I really really prefer camaros, I have a 2017 all decked out camaro zl1 and its one of the funnest cars I've ever driven.
"Volkswagen vs. Environmental Law"
so when will this episode be made?
The Envieonmental law makes better cars
I think they did a podcast on it
Check out Donut Media’s podcast episode on em
@@ahang6904 If I say that those laws killed the focus RS in Europe
That's all the young crowd have been brainwashed to believe that since VW lied about their MPG rating a few years ago they need to be cancelled or "woke" so the snowflakes can sleep at night. "VW BAD"
"... The father of Pony cars, The Mustang..."
Plymouth Barracuda: *Am I a joke to you?*
There's a reason they are called Pony cars and not Fishy cars.
@@flyingmako Nice!😂
Christian Pankow n o
@Alex The Camaro is about to die again lol
*Sad v8 noises *
I don't like how the 2000s and 2010s are in one category, these are two very different decades.
Yeah. That completely fucked the scoring
They stopped making the camaro for like 8 years in 2002 so not really worth comparing the two for that decade
Scott Boudreau the only GM muscle car to fill that 03-09 era was the Pontiac GTO and G8. I know it’s not a Camaro but I think it’s worth noting how much superior in performance the GTO was compared to the 2005 Mustang GT was but we all saw how it turned out in the end for Pontiac.
They only did that Bc mustangs had no competition
Mustang would have won lol
I'm a Mustang fan but this video needed more work. The current gen Camaro should have gotten more points on the last round; it's a better car performance wise and the chassis is better sorted. Also, it's remarkable how you all managed to miss the current gen GT350...
He also didn't talk enough about the Terminator Cobra or the 2014 GT500 imo
Ngl that is almost the first time I’ve heard a ford fan say a different car brand is good and I respect it
@@ireallydontlikeu2607that’s all the kids that say that.
Funny, I’m a Camaro owner and I was going to say the Mustang was better. The visibility is trash and the lower end models have abysmal interior.
@@Tiralful I Turo'd a Camaro and yeah I can see the visibility being a deal breaker. I thought both interiors were pretty similar quality wise, but the Mustang seems better thought out. I like the design more too.
Mustang and camaro fans: *Arguing in the side*
Challenger: *Chugs a beer*
(edit im asian mah dudes dont argue with me)
Coffee with muscle cars? I hope you meant beer.
Theres a reason bad guys drive Challengers;
They're cooler. I "Challenge" you to prove me wrong.
Coffee is acceptable
HIPHIP!
Sips a beer
We need a dodge guy to judge the mustang and camaro, so there isn’t a bias opinion
I could try and do that as a dodge guy
@@G3N_MK2 well, which one???
as a dodge guy, they are completely even until you take into account electric mustang and e c o b o o s t so camaro wins even with the catfish generation
@Cesar De Pena nah probably a dodge neon🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@daniellejonees 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love how they left out how Mustangs stopped production temporarily in the 80s and didn't deduct points from Mustang like they did Camaro
but they never stopped production though, they had some every year?
The points system seems like it has no structure lmao, just throw an arbitrary number at each category because he can.
Exactly!
thank you! im glad im not the only one who sees this lol
Thank god someone commented this
I was just scrolling to check for this comment before I commented this lol.
fr
"I'm going to try to not be biased about this." "This round goes to the Mustang because the Camaro did better." - paraphrase
Hahahahaha
Exactly what I thought
So tired of popularity defeating wisdom and logic. Smh aka I agree
🤣🤣🤣
They had to reach hard to make this even close, all GM really had was the 70's, 94-98, and 2010.
@@InuranusBrokoff actually gm has always been very competitive when dealing with ford. Occasionally Winning in all areas. What made ford stand apart was their special edition cars. They just had more hype for some reason. They weren't necessarily better all the time.
it's amazing how a guy I don't know, using an absolutely arbitrary point system, talking about cars I have never driven can get me so worked up
Yo, seriously... I never agree with this dude.
@@ryanatha3555 I'm an f-body kinda guy ('02 Firebird), but I have mad respect for the SN95 5 Ho.
I'm not even saying i disagree with him, but the way he has me cheering for a car or the other is incredible lol
Terribly biased 😬😒😂😂
I wish James was hosting this so this wouldn't be biased
Ain’t u being biased smh
@@githuagitau7435 no?
Lol the mustang would have gotten a higher rating without bias because it really is much better for the most part
@@mr.sirperson6933 not in the first section and the last. He deduce around like 7 points from the corvette because it didn't make a model for 8 years?
@@josephpruitt2067 Yeah, I'd say that it was definitely doing pretty damn bad against the mustang if the camaro didn't even exist at the time, so I agree with the host's choice there
Im 7 minutes and 38 seconds in to the video and i think this guy is all about mustang
I didn't make it that long
That’s what Chevy fanboys would say
Naah. He was unbiased
You mad at statistics
@@brodymcdade901 Sure, definitely mad at stats when the Camaro outperformed the Mustang in everyway , but he still gave the Mustang more points because it was first. It's just very biased.
this show is so all over the place. I get the premise, but man they are really pushing it with the "points system"
One big hot mess !
Yeah and who is this rando that’s deciding the points? What cred does he have to be deciding and doling them out lol? I dont take him as being some kind of expert, just seems like any other dude talking about cars.
Yeahhh. The point system is stupid.
Plus, it's a simple win/lose/tie so why not just say so lol, why add extra steps
I get why they have to do this out of necessity for covid, but this is just ridiculous. Way over generalized.
i actually remember the camaro winning though, i guess im experiencing the mandela effect
I'm a Ford guy through and through, but this video made me realize how much cooler the Camaro is than I ever thought. The scores on this made no sense to me
Yeah, his points are so random as to make the entire competition moot.
Like the points were almost irrelevant to what he said about the decade before
The points were not contingent on any sort of system. Just make em up as you go I guess...
He must like Mustangs 😜
I respect you for saying this
So true
Bro he didn't even talk about the Z28 2015 with the LS7 that thing was so fuckin sick
“We’re going to be be unbiased in this video”
Then proceeds to make the mustang the winner when they spent 5 minutes straight on how much better the Camaro is in every way.
At least the mustang is still a thing
@@hello1184 the camaro is still a thing too?
@@fab4468 no bro. 2024 is its last model year
@@hello1184 we arent in 2024 tho are we?
@@fab4468 No but we abouta be in 2023. Look, it’s gonna be discontinued. That automatically puts the mustang in first by right of just plainly still existing
The fact that you didn't give the 60's to the Mustang and hardly gave the Camaro the 70's you got this ass backwards. A 79 Camaro was a badass car and the Mustang II was a rebadged Pinto.
He said Mustang won the 60s though, and the Camaro won the 70s…
Yeah the Mustang 2 was hot garbage.......
Ugh....he said the mustang won the 60s 5-4.
79 Camaro is my dream car ngl,gonna have that bad boy one day
And the camaro 2 was hot garbage
I just realized how old this video is and I’m glad I haven’t seen this guy host any other videos.
I was scrolling the comments to see if anyone else felt the same way
I was born in the wrong time period, my dad tells me when he was young you’d be able to find Mach 1’s, fastbacks and camaros on the side of the road for sale for $1000
That's a true story.
adjust for inflation
Back in the day you couldnt give a muscle car away especially those 68-70 chargers because of how bad on fuel they were. Nobody wanted a gas guzzler
$2500 in the 1990s...
I had 69 and 70 fastbacks
Yea but money was alot different back then a 20 was worth like 100 bucks back in modern money probably even more
This man said that the camaro destroyed the mustang in every way in the 60’s, yet gave the category to the mustang because of sales 😆
Kinda matters right, even now, the Camaro is selling so slowly it's may not make it to the next gen.
gpage you do know they stopped camaro production right ?
Planet Fade not until 2023
Without the mustang there would be no Camaro ... That's worth something
He did not even mention th 1969 Boss 302 or the 429
This dude never even mentioned the Terminator..
That’s the car that killed camaros for years lmao
or gt350 or anything and how does the 2000s always get combined with 2010s? like there is a damn difference there
Chance Sprague right? The mustang was eh from 05-10, but 11 turned it around hard, and 15 was just as different.
Everyone knows its a sin to compare a god to the peons. Terminator scream ftw
WheelsOff Weaver It was during the time which Chevy had no answer to it, so why bother? If he mentioned every sub-model the video would be an hour long.
-What will this decade bring(lists all the stuff)
-Camaro left the chat
You can tell he is a ford guy
whats wrong with that
Tc TheHelper well he gave mustang more points for no reason
Stink Ray bc mustangs are better overall
@MarcyFamily
Fr, he do be a Ford guy😔 lol
“The camaro was better mostly, but I’m going to give more points to the mustang just because”
That’s basically what I heard the entire time.
Man I was thinking the same thing. He's definitely a Ford guy
0-60 in 20 seconds that’s all I heard in the 80s
@@McGotGot look at hit shirt I knew it was gonna be mustangs as soon as I saw it
Brett K it’s a Gran Turismo shirt sToOpId
That’s what a city boy would say
So a few things. The 6th gen zl1 1le wasnt the first time the camarowas beating super cars at the ring. The 5th gen z28 still to this day has a better lap time than many super cars at the time and even some base models that are newer. The 5th gen ss was also used for u2 landing and the camarl has been the car of choise for nascat safety car for a long long time now.
"Ferrari vs Ford"
Lamborghini: am I joke to you?
Yeah i know it's because of LeMans but the rivalry between Lamborghini and Ferrari is just legendary
Saucerthansauce also Dodge not being mentioned once in this but the exorcist was. You know the car made to try and compete with a dodge
Do go on ?
Tell me more of this
@@MadLadMartyMcFly85 about the rivalry between Lamborghini and Ferrari or about the 1960's LeMans?
@@zacharydohn2416 yeah it was cool af.
But I think that rivalry is also spread with Ford.
In fact I think that's the real rivalry there.
Ford vs Chevrolet vs Dodge
“I’m gonna try my best to not be biased” the 60’s Camaros embarrassed the mustangs and outperformed them “5 points for the mustang”
Your statement is based on the muscle car guy argument. Companies base the success of a car based on sales, not performance stats. Camaros were built to outperform mustangs and did so consistantly. Ford almost always sold more cars. Mustang started as a sports coupe (sort of like a miata) until camaro and firebird came along. GM essentially created the muscle car craze with "pony" cars. (like they did with the mid size cars) In the end though, without the mustang the camaro wouldn't exist. Not that this point system makes any sense.. but they do get some. Lol
@Matthew S I was like WTF when I heard him say that.. lol
@Erwin Klassen Yea the Mustangs was cheaper and was marketed for women.. The Mustang didn’t get serious until the Camaro came out..
@@erwinklassen8603 But this isn't a video about which car sold more per decade, it's about a head to head comparison on the cars as a whole. To say "the Camaro was better in just about every way, but the Mustang was first, therefore the Mustang gets a higher score" is just asinine.
@@sstevocamaro worked on my mom back in the day lol. Red 64.5 that she kept mint till the 80s, then my dad made her get rid of it bc he didn't want it sitting next to his 63 Vette lol
He also forgot to mention that the 80's Z28 was available with 350 as well 🤦♂️
J. Switzer they had that in the 60s and 70s as well
Like everything it was a low hp version
he also said they weren't available with a manual which they were. altough the 350 option was not available in a manual.
Cudaman2 Formula that can be fixed with basic engine parts
Yes😉but did not want to be to hard on him 😂😂😂🤣🤣. Just look at what 70's Camaro's are going for and how much mustang are going for 🤔maybe he should some more research just saying in my opinion. I would love 68 fastback or 68 firebird or 73 split bumper! I owned a 83 Z28 t top with the factory fiberglass front end and had a 350 and automatic trans i miss that car
I'm a Mustang guy, but I think the results are unfair. They should be equal. Both cars are amazing and each car is unique.
2020 and beyond: The mustang gets 0 points for becoming a crossover and EV
Mike Jacobsen the Camaro is gonna get 0 points for being killed off in the coming years so I guess we both lose
Pwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! Nice
@Mike, that's exactly what I was thinking.
@Justin, it's better to retire as a muscle car than to keep going as a fat crossover.
I'm a Chevy fan, but IMHO, the last gen Mustang looks way better than the Camaro.
@@Ahmed4th the mach-e is like the panamera to porshe's 911. Both there for different crouds
EV will run circles around a Chevy ALL DAY LONG
“They never offered irocs in a manual”
*looks at my factory 5-speed iroc* Welp... Guess you don’t exist
The 5 speeds were the 305. Right?
@@JPrenticeParton no they came with 350's to you just couldn't get ttops with 350 5spd
It must've been a special order or isn't truly factory. You can look it up.
@@lancewilcoxson5549 no they were factory, I had one. rare but factory
@@Matthew-dt6bd yeah...read the first part of my comment
Him: explain why the Camaro was better in every single way
Also him: yeah imma give that one a 4 outta 5
Yeah but which part???
Stop complaining mustang won cause it’s clearly better
@@kylerm69 he is talking about the 60's
@@kylerm69 the camaro is better factually by everything he says. And it looks cooler
He gave it to mustang, because without the mustang, the world wouldn't have been blessed with the camaro, so yes, thanks mustang, you may not be as good or as cool, but you gave us what we really all wanted and deserve, camaros
I think the 69 camaro was the best for styling. Always wanted one. When I was in my teens everyone had one. Now, I have no clue what one would be worth in order to get a fair deal. I would just want one that was fixed up, and not original.
"This is totally unbiased"
also
"The Camaro beat the Mustang in every aspect but the Mustang was so popular I'll just let it have a point more than the Camaro just for the sales alone"
If you wait to release a model change until after your competition does, every single time, you better be able to make it better. Or you wouldn’t even be in the conversation.
🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂😂😂😂
@@lincolnfried7748 you can say salt, but it's true what he said.
He was biased for the most part, but I still think the mustang won 3/5 decades Camaro won 60s and 70s
@@jebadiahfyefye8994 umm you know the camaro was based off the already built chevelle they just changed the name 😅
With the new mustang Mach-e just take away like 10 point and I’m a Ford fan
I agree with that
Facts like wtffff
I cry everytime some one says Mach-e then vomit when I look at it. What happened to my baby!!
I couldn’t agree more
Damn 💀💀
I imagine a challenger sitting on a chair just eating popcorn watching this rivalry
This comment fucked me up 😭😭😭
Haha
Challenge is trash on a track it should stick to the drag srip
@@matthewsurrall2738 that's what the viper is for.
@@The_Real_Bonesaw ok fair
Volkswagen vs environmental laws. Brilliant
i love mustangs but he gave the mustang some points it doesn’t deserve
The mustang is a boss
@@simonjones6218 ever heard of dodge?
@@simonjones6218 the mustang is a boss, but the demon-hellcat is a chief
he made camaro lose on purpose
Simon Jones *mustang boss 302*
Puts the 2000s as one group even though we’ve had two full decades now.
There was no Camaro in from 2002-2009. That would be 0 points for Camaro and free points for mustang.
thomasj1026 good point yeah
@@thomasj1026 he still "took away" points for that regardless though i dont see what the diffrence would have been other than an argument being made that "it wasnt biased"
@@thomasj1026 Yes but ford had three different generations of Mustang during those years. They had the Generation from the 90s, the new edge, the rebirth of the OG look models, and the S255s. All three of the Gens had big names, the Terminator mustang, the rebirth of the GT500, And look at the new GT500, or GT350, The Camaro isnt up to snuff today, the top of the line model can't compete with the Mustang top of the line model, its not really a fair comparison either, due to the fact the Top of the line Camaro hasnt been revamped recently, and if rumors are to be believed, the Camaro is going to be discontinued somewhat soon
1st . I ll say I m a Camaro fan over a Mustang, That being said your right Camaro was Cancelled and then brought back way late considering they could have built a 5th gen. from the Catera or the Monoro earlier. Also Camaro should of lost points because of the 6th gen restyle lacked imagination and look like a clone of 5th despite being a far better car. BUT mustang should loose because its now an Electric family suv...lol
I'm a Ford guy, but I really think the point system was a little unfair.
JakerShaker he was extremely biased
Right like I absolutely love both cars but that was extremely biased and false
This was a joke. The 90s Ford mustangs and pretty much all of the 2000-2010 fords were seriously blown away by the lt1s and then later the ls1s...half of the shit he was saying is stupid. By the way, the ls1 made around 370-385 horsepower. Didn’t matter if it was a vette a firebird or a Camaro. They all were the exact same engine.
Respect✊
Matthew Stansbury - cry more Chevy fan girl
How do you create this video without bringing up the terminator? Just curious.
There was no Camaro during the time of the Terminator, nothing to compare it to.
Totally mustang based, didn’t even mention the 2014 Camaro Z/28 with 505 hp compared to the gt’s 435, then the 2014 Camaro ZL1 with 580 hp.
And still has no sales....😏
Gt500?
Gt500 with 700+ hp
Z28 is comparable to a GT350, not a GT, in which case the GT350 makes more power.
The biggest mistake is the 90s; the Camaro had the LT1 and LS1 as base V8s. The Mustang had the 215-hp V8 Mod motor out of the Continental.
"I'm going to try to be unbiased" - talks about the Iron Duke even though you could get a 305 in the same car. You also could in fact get a manual in the iroc
@asteinmann And he was wrong about the S197 specs, the SVT version of that year made at least 530 horsepower, CRUSHING the camaro
Also a 350 in 88 iroc
Cameron in the 80s, looked like square pieces of Tupperware and were mostly fake, in other words a 4 banger 😅
There was never any s197 SVT Cobra?
S197 is 2005+, you are probably (hopefully) talking about the New Edge SN-95 facelift cars...
But then, you're also woefully wrong about your specs there, too- the Cobra started with 320hp for '99, although they were actually short some on dyno-tests; due to the bad publicity, Ford fixed that pretty quickly. In 2000, they released the Cobra R, with 385hp (claimed). This engine may have produced a little more, but definitely not 150hp more.
The last, and best Cobra aside from the Cobra R was the Terminator, introduced in 2003, with 390 hp from its supercharged V8. During this time, ford also produced the Mach I, which was a tad above 300hp, while the GT remained stuck with a paltry 260 until the 2005.
Perhaps you are trying to call the Shelby GT-500 a Cobra, though? It's not. That did come with 500+ hp, but it has been consistently outmatched by the Camaro ZL1 (and the briefly returned Z28) since the latter's inception.
@@EagleScoutmano Yeah my bad, the S197 cobra completely destroyed the SS camaro and the new GT500 is mowing down everything currently
Even tho i prefer i mustang over the comaro this feels definitely biased
No its not I even have an example
"The camaro who beats supercars on the track, I gotta give 3 points for the camaro (and gives 4 points for mustang)"
@@gabegamer8646 you pretty much just copied this comment.
@David S not a camaro guy I think he is pretty even and biased things can be found for both since he did say "The camaro who beats supercars on the track, I gotta give 3 points for the camaro (and gives 4 points for mustang). It is not biased your just mad the car you didn't like got points or won a section.
Owning 2 mustangs, I felt the same way lol
I once said this: "Do whatever you want with a man or a woman, but do not mess with his or her Mustang." 😉
This guy really just said “I’m gonna say how the camaro is better in every way, and then give the mustang points”
Shut up mustang better
Rojelio Saucedo
Shut up Camaro better
@@Zero-_-Two ye your right mustang eats balls my dad has camaro and its better
So true 😂😂😂😂😂
@@marmar2310 have you seen the 2013 gt500
You did the 2000s (and beyond) lmao but you didn't do the 2010s separately that's inconsistent
The Camaro would basically get 0 in the 2000-2010s
That means more points for my mustang gt 2005 😎
Erick Garcia weird flex but ok
G'day M8 As it should.
Yeah, it’s not 2010s anymore
I love how he mentioned the new 5.0 with 435 hrspr in 2015 but left out chevys reply with the 6th gen camaro with 455 hrspr in 2016
Yeah but in 2018 the Mustang GT came back with 460 horsepower. It would be kinda pointless to constantly go back and forth through every year change, the Mustang at it’s best beats the Camero at it’s best and in the end that’s what matters.
And how he totally left out the Mach e 😂😂
@@gilbertalvarez95 the Mach E isn't a muscle car
DEADeye10 he’s not talking about muscle it says mustang versus camaro, he talked about the Mach 1 in the video the Mach e is the newer version
@@gilbertalvarez95 The description of the video states that it is about which is the better muscle or "pony" car though. And besides although Ford tried to pay tribute to the Mach 1 through the Mach E it is not a successor as they are two separate genres of car. Ford is making a true electric mustang which would better to succeed the Mach 1 as a muscle car.
I think I'd rather have an 8 year hiatus than have the mustang II, the foxbody, or the 4 door EV.
I feel like there was a LOT of Favor towards the Mustang, because even in the rounds where you were hyping up the Camaro you still gave the mustang the win
dude he was even wearing a gt shirt
Yep, The 90's are the one that i specifically noticed. He described the camaro as coming out with almost 100 more horsepower than the mustang. Then went on about how the camaro then upgraded to the ls1. Then said mustang eventually added about 75 horsepower and made the cars somewhat even, then proceded to give the mustang the win. dont make any sense
I've got to say it. He forgot to mention how dangerous the Pinto bodies were, if you were to tap the rear, it would explode. The Iron Duke only caught on fire in the Fiero because Pontiac made the oil pan smaller in order to fit it in, they also forgot to mention how good on fuel and extremely reliable it was. One smaller thing, the wait between 2002 and 2008 is six years, not 8.
Edit: grammar
@@silentplays9808 Sales numbers in the 90's are why the Mustang won that. The Mustang outsold the Camaro handily. They were pretty close in the first few years of the when the 4th Gen came out. Then Camaro sales were half of a Mustang sold the next year and continued to plummet even until they cancelled it.
@@SkylineBNR34Hey, not gonna lie i love the 4th gen camaro vs the mustangs of the same year. On paper, aerodynamics, and track times, the camaro won most of the battles for that year. Im honestly kind of confused as to how/why the camaro got outsold when its competitor was so much slower? Thanks for letting me know that though.
Since they mentioned SVT, I thought they’d talk about the terminator cobra
And the Chevy Jolt
Camaro SLP
Didn't mention the turbo 4 cylinder in the mustang either
Camaro Z28 had a turbo 6 cylinder as well.. it never got mentioned either.. the way the trans and diff was geared, it was a seriously little bad ass that would take out most V8 stock for stock, not to mention the modded versions..
The terminator cobra, so badass it but Camaro out of business
I belive the SSP was offered with a manual to different police departments