Steph Curry is No. 10 on Nick Wright's Top 50 NBA stars in the last 50 years | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- Nick Wright reveals No. 15 - No. 10 of his Top 50 NBA players of the last 50 years, and after winning his 4th title and finally getting awarded Finals MVP, Stephen Curry of the Golden State Warriors lands at No. 10. Nick Wright breaks down what it would take for Steph to move up in the rankings, and which NBA star he predicts could pass him if Steph is unable to make it to another Final.
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Now that Nick has said he doesn’t think Steph will win another title I know Steph will win another title. Thank you from a Warrior fan Nick.
I also get giddy when Barkley says the same.
It’s crazy how people think they Can’t repeat.
Folks we are living through history
Nah he won’t
Fr Steph gonna be in his prime 2 more years at least. Klay played fine. They have young guys in the wings Only question mark is how much longer can Draymond make a positive impact he seems to be declining quickly.
@@Travsice atleast another 3-5 years he’s still in his prime bro not 2
Nick's point was that birds career was cut short due to injury. Currys career early on was riddled with injuries and he also had a to go through the lockout season. That's why is total numbers aren't as glamorous as other. But like Broussard said, total numbers shouldn't be used as an indicator for who's better than who
They are used because we’re doing a career evaluation,, so it matters . Who’s better is peak only
@@khalxd1991 I mean it should be used but my point was that it's being over valued. Kareem has more total numbers than Jordan but most of the world agrees that Jordan is higher on the all time list
I think that’s different to say X player was injured early and then was fine vs X player was fine and then had a career ending injury. To ignore that you would then have to evaluate every player who missed any significant time due to injury. Not to mention you also have to look at the trajectory of LB’s career.
And he's been load managed for his entire career
@@elcucuy493 Kareem's total points are valued more than a Karl Malone. Kareem is a 6x MVP and a NBA champion. Its not like some regular Joe has the most points, its an all-time great who has the best all-around basketball resume.
Steph first few years is the reason His points not up more and he missed that one year with the wrist injury
Well...🤷🏾♂️
His ankles were bad as well
His ankles were why his contract wasn’t huge, which is why they were able to afford KD, along with the cap spike of 2016. Smart organization but they got lucky with that confluence of events
I mean… sucks but it happened so he’s not up there on all time scoring or assists
Steph has had 10 healthy seasons and 3 injured seasons. His 2nd, 3rd and 11th seasons he was hurt.
Hakeem is criminally underrated. Appreciate Nick giving Dream his due.
Great player but he's beginning to be overrated to some degree. He may be a top 10 talent but he's not a top 10 player.
More like criminally overrated. He literally only has 2 rings, 2 FMVPs, and 1 MVP, and 2 DPOYs. Very elite resume, but it falls short when comparing it even to Curry's Resume.
@@Mrballerize Hakeem carried a bunch of role players to back to back championships. All time leader in blocks, 9th in steals (as a center!) and could legitimately guard 1-5. He’s the most dominant defensive player ever and one of the most skilled offensive bigs to ever play. Give him Klay and KD and he easily matches if not surpasses Steph’s ring total.
Not to mention he has twice as many FMVPs in 1/3 the amount of appearances as Steph.
@@Mrballerize What is more important for you? How good somebody individually is or the accomplishments?
@@kalanievans2341 He was the 2nd best player in the league for years behind Mike. When Mike retired he was the best player in the league, easily. Only center to win a ring without a dominant guard on his team. Look at the stats he put up those finals runs, absurd. He's top 10 and better than Shaq IMO
This combination is death:
All time best set shooter.
All time best shooter off the dribble.
Arguably the best handles.
Arguably the quickest release.
Unlimited range.
Makes shots even through contact.
Imagine if he gets superstar calls from the refs like Jordan.
Arguably best handles come on Kyrie Irving Blows him out of the water
@@rapslove9873 yup even iverson
but he can be punk on the court Lbj showed us that.
@@rapslove9873 Arguable, they are top 2, but with Steph's insane quick step back and release, he is unstoppable, he beats all the defenders anytime with it like PJ Tucker, Kawhi, Marcus Smart, etc
@@rapslove9873 Kyrie is so overrated its unbelievable
Steph had alot of injuries in his career at the beginning so he lost alot of playing time. Y'all also have to factor in how many 4th quarters he's had to sit out because Golden State were blowing teams apart by thw time third quarter came around.
In regards to Giannis he only cracks top 10 if he wins 3 or more chips. If he doesn't then he can't be in there as good as he is. We've seen guys like Giannis beford. Does the name David Robinson ring a bell?!!
Exactly.
The real numbers should be PER MINUTE of play. Not per year or even per game.
@@dialecticalmonist3405 per minute? That’s insane lmao I’m a Steph fan and even that’s a push. What should happen is context should be added, and facts like these should be mentioned
@@dialecticalmonist3405 The standard comparison is PER 75 POS
His early injury history is greatly overstated. He played. ALOT.
@Tong Zou Did you see the players that played in that era compared to this era??? If you can't see the similarities then you don't know basketball. David Robinson was one of the best players of the 90s during his prime he was an absolute freak of nature. Led the league at one point in PPG and was DPOY in the same season. He's a top 5 two way player all time.
Totals aren't as much for Steph because he had several ankle injuries when he entered the league. He's missed some chunk of the previous two seasons before this championship season.
Not to mention injuries to kaly and dray that took off couple more years
@@maxy1352 injuries to Klay should enable Curry to score more?
@@DaKaneSaw he did have his best last 2 years, despite him being triple teamed 🤷
So what? Durability is part of all of it
@@cc-ec1if exactly
Tim Duncan. 5 rings. 3 Finals MVP's. 2 regular-season MVPs. 10x all-NBA first team. 8x all-NBA defensive first team. 3x all-NBA second team. 7x all-NBA defensive second team.
Having those numbers in my face and going through my memory for the eye test.. i might have to whisper this..” Duncan’s top 3 all time”
Yeah and he’s above Steph.
Top 5 in rebs and Top 6 in blocks. For me TD is better than Magic and Bird too.
@@n.j.f7074 until you look at the top 3 guys all having more MVPs, more FMVPs (actually KAJ had the same I believe), and more 1st teams. The top 3 is ridiculous and almost cannot be touched.
@@chasingfelix3609 Alright so it’s funny you bring up KAJ I’ve always just took his numbers for face value , and never gave it much thought until now. So check this out him and Duncan have the same amount of all defensive teams :15 Duncan has 3 finals mvp to KAJ 2 but I hear you KAJ has 6(!) mvps and he won them in these years : 71,72,74,76,77,&80. Well the ABA and NBA didn’t merge til 1976 meaning 4 out of his 6 MVPs were prior to the nba/aba merger. That means he was only 2 post the merger which is the exact same as Duncan. I say that to say this, the competition Duncan faced for they 02,03 MVPs when KG, O’Neal ( in his prime when he was winning 3 finals mvps in a row) , Kobe, AI, Chris Webber etc is much more than what KAJ was up against, and that has to count for something. Just food for thought I’ll probably wake up tomorrow and still have KAJ in my top 3 ( or even 2) all time lol
Such a dumb take. I want to see the stats on superstars sitting 4th quarters. I'm certain that h leads that Stat by a mile.
And curry don’t play heavy minutes in regular season as Kerr see they up 15 hrs sitting Steph till the lead cut to 5 which is rare 😂
I’ll def give u that. Casuals don’t even know
That’s the system Steve Kerr has. No one cares about the system you played in what did you do while on the court is what matters
@@elijahgonzalez2336 but you also can’t make these without context😂. If Steph didn’t sit so much in the 4th then he’s numbers would look incredibly different
@@zj4008 what ifs…
By the time Curry is done playing in 3-4 years, he will be unanimously Top 10 in everyone’s eyes
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 that is BS.
I don’t think y’all understand what we chasing lol…
He could end up top 5 if he gets six rings
Haters will hate still
@@Nostalgia9478 he’ll be the GOAT
Steph is much more likely to win another than Giannis
Nick Wrong is no. 5000 of my list of sports personalities in the last 50 years. There are only 4000 of them, but Nick is still number 5000.
Why?
I would love to hear a discussion about size because the fact is, many of the NBA's best, would never have been the best if they hadn't of been freakish athlete's or freakishly tall. Shaq is a great example, without his size he may have not even played college ball.
Thank u
Great point!!! So the athletes that have no speed, no hops, no height and no strength have to work twice as hard. Steph is the only one of his top 10 that has NONE of those attributes. Greatness personified...
I would agree if steph was posterizing and locking people down, but he shoots 3 and runs around all day.
Yep. And how fast would he be if he had no legs?
But they are! So what's the point?
Bo Cruz is gonna pass them all🤣
Step will end up with 27k points by the time he finishes.
4.5k three pointers
6k+ Assists
6 Championships.
Let's see then how they position him.
Steph has fewer All NBA first team appearances simply because Russ, Harden & Dame hit their peak at the moment KD joined GSW and Steph had to step back and allow KD to fit in.
Naw Steph just became an allstar caliber player late. Injury slowed his progress early in his career.
Yes but he also has 2 more championships because of KD. I'd say championships matter a lot more than all-nba awards.
And? Tf. Lmao he should have had more like all the others stars had. They played with other stars also lmao.
@@iuhgfmnbert1744 not if you want to win.
@@Mektek19 nope he’s right it’s cuz harden and russ were having crazy stats and steph couldn’t match them stat wise cuz he had to share ball with kd
When you are blowing people off the court in the 3rd quarter during the regular season your points will be down
Right like none of the other star leas teams on the top 10 never blowed people off the court. Great logic!
If Steph wins another championship and finals MVP, he’s going to surpass Shaq, Bird, Duncan, Olajuwon and Bryant.
Agreed and he’s only 6’3!!!!!
Not Kobe or Duncan but the others yeah
@@donstuart8286 Kobe was only the best in two out of his 5 championship and he did not change the game in the way that Curry did. Not to mention Curry has a unanimous MVP
@@donstuart8286 Duncan had plenty of help like Curry but he did not win his championship in the short span that Curry has, Duncan was a shell of himself in his last championship. You also have to factor the influence that Curry has had in the NBA that Duncan never had
@@edgardiaz3669 Curry would be the best on 3 championship teams if that were to happen while Duncan has been the best on 4 (99,03,05,07). Duncan has a considerably better regular season career, they have the same amount of MVPs but Duncan’s got more Top 5 MVP finishes, more 1st team all NBA, the most All-Def selections ever while Curry was a liability on that end for a half his career. Curry has also had considerably more help, Duncan’s best help in his prime was an old David Robinson, Ginobli and Parker. Curry has had Durant (who was better on 2 rings), Klay, Draymond, Poole and Wiggins. Almost all of Duncan’s accomplishments came in his first 10 years in the NBA, so it didn’t take him longer he did it in a similar time span as Steph who’s had all his accomplishments come between 2015 and now.
Nick is a smart man for multiple reasons I have to give him credit. His tales are bad but I cannot deny he is a genius in other ways. Using his main show to promote addition content for his RUclips page is awesome. But also Nick leaning so hard into total stats boosts Lebron’s goat case that is why he does it
Exactly!🤣. We see what he did there...
Nick really said steph is done winning chips and mvp smh wtf 🥱🤦♂️
He knows the more Steph continues to win championships in this supposed to be “LeBron era” and the fact that he has beaten LeBron 3x for his championships makes Nick’s man crush LeBron look bad.
@Tong Zou he did to beat the kg celtics
It's hard to find another Steph.. we're talking abo the downtown long-range efficiency. Like there's nobody other than Klay that's really shooting like that.
People hate my take when I say that I never really considered Bill Russell on my all-time list. I understand why but still I think my take has validity as well
Nick got the top 10 right honestly in terms of personnel.
Steph is ahead of Wilt, Bird, Hakeem. Don't see how he's not better than Hakeem, easy pick.
@@binary He's not ahead of Bird, but definitely Hakeem and Wilt. Wilt isn't top 10 in my opinion. I can nitpick his career like crazy. Dude consistently choked on the biggest stage.
@@binary curry needed the weakest move in sports history to happen to stop the cavs eventual dynasty, but this year currys finally the best player in a final series congrats he’s now number 12 behind Hakeem 👏
@@mynutsonyourchin2806 your iq, it's too low.
Thank you Nick for adding The Dream...so underrated.
We actually dont know if you can build a championship team around lebron because its never happened! All he's ever done is put together super teams.
🥱
Ah yes, that Lakers super team with reliable Super Star AD… To me, a super team is one that would still be a contender without its best player. Miami was a super team, but none of LeBron’s other teams have been.
@@thrawncaedusl717 we saw kyrie go to a young celtics team and they became a contender him and k love would make the playoffs easy in the east in their primes and the fact your trying to downplay the lakers as a super team because they FAILED is laughable
@@kalanievans2341 LeBron has not EVER won without a superteam. LeBron is not a winner at all.
@@thrawncaedusl717 The way you define "super team", there may have been only 2-3 superteams in NBA history. GS, Miami, Lakers with Wilt, Baylor & West. No other team would be considered a contender without their #1.
I can accept the argument that Magic was the best passer, but his argument that Magic’s average is the highest is somewhat misleading. Stockton had a 5-year stretch where his average assists over the entire 5 years was higher than Magic’s best ever season average. The reason Stockton’s career average is lower is because he played so much longer. But in both of their peaks, Stockton had higher assist numbers than Magic.
Stockton always gets underrated. He was also a great shooter one of the best defenders in the league. If he played in this era, with these usage rates he'd be a 24/18 guy while being possibly the best defender at his position and just being a bit low on free throw percentage or he'd hit the 50/40/90 club every single year.
How many rings Stockton have again?
@@tony4534 7 less than Robert Horry.
@@NicolasAlcalde So zero then lmao
@@tony4534 You not understanding what just happened is, unfortunately, not a surprise.
Heres a true fact!! Steph was injured a large portion of his earlier career AND on top of that the Warriors were ran by mediocre jokesters that didn't position Steph to play at a high level. They did however exalt Monta Ellis and David Lee ahead of Steph all whilst Steph was also dealing with ankle injuries and surgeries. All I'm saying is that they NEVER talk about the climb Steph had to make and if you really wanna know the truth, If Steph had Dray and Klay and Iggy from the gate, you're talking about a guy who is easily breaking the 30k point mark and top 10 in steals and assists and more first team All NBA selections. In short, what he is now, not bad for a guy who had to overcome bad management, injuries and playing on what was virtually a Gleague team his first 6 seasons.
Imagine winning a title and all you hear from the media is you're not as good as these guys... Y'all need to chill
The problem is yall too emotional Steph not being better than those guys is true but that does not take anything alway from Steph . He still playing and can keep adding hardware but its not easy making the top ten bud
@@juliopoueriet2031 so uneducated. stop embarrassing yourself
Great take! Steph is definitely more closer to winning another Championship 🏆. Healthy and whole as Draymond alluded to; they'll win again for sure.
If your list don’t have Kareem as #1 on your list, then it’s bogus! 6 time MVP! Did you hear me!!! 6 times!!!! 19 allstars appearances!!!!!! More years then MJ played!!! 11 time defense of the year!!!! 6 championships!!! 2 championships as a assistant coach! 3 college championships!! 2 championships in high school! Jordan didn’t start playing until his Junior year!
I agree. Jordan and Kareem are the two greatest basketball players of all time, in my opinion.
I'm MJ all the way but I can't argue with anyone who picks Mr. Basketball 👍.
Thank you Nick for the Hakeem shout out!
Steve Kerr stopped a lot of stat padding, I remember the Warriors blowing teams out so badly that steph would sit a lot of 4th quarters... imagine him finishing half of those games lol
Steph is in my top 10 but rings are a team accomplishment. But he’s not a better player than any of the dudes that’s top 10. He’s just the best shooter. That’s why people won’t give him top 10 honors
Don't you forget that steph's is only 6'2 and those guys are 6'6 and up?
@@chrischantnuocca3614 yeah and?
@@Jaypharoah06 exactly. At 6'2, he's better than some of those guys
@@chrischantnuocca3614 no…he’s not. Whose he better than? Lebron? MJ? Kobe? Kareem? Magic? Tim Duncan? No he’s not basketball is more than shooting. All these players do everything better on the basketball court than he does but shoot
@@Jaypharoah06 from the word itself, "Basketball". You need to shoot the ball and score to win a championship. It's not a Giant basketball anymore.
Y’all shouldn’t be listening to this guy. Predicted steph wouldn’t win another championship, laughed at GSW for trading D’ Lo for Wiggins, etc. This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Hakeem is so underrated
The problem with looking at stats with Steph in particular is that he plays in a system that is optimized by the double/triple/quadruple teams he draws, and the stats are spread across the team vs centralized to an iso-style system e.g. Lebron. You can say the same thing with MJ pre-triangle and post-triangle offense - the stats are like night and day. So yeah... most of Draymonds assists are due to Steph freeing up Dray... these facts should be factored in (but wont be)
completely agree, they even compare stephs shooting to birds rebounding, do they not see how much attention stephs shooting ability draws and how easy that makes everything on his teammates? He may be only the best shooter but that skill is far more valuable how steph deploys it than the skills of others.
@@nickchatzipantelis4109 totally agree.
@@justinlevy274 100%
i get what nick tried to say about total points, but of course all top teams high usage star scorer will pass curry in points, but u know what those scorer wont ever pass curry? total 3 points made and total unanimous mvp. how about that?
Let's no forget.. Giannis said the only problem they had against the Bucks was the 3's he said "we didn't make enough 3's and we shoot enough 3's". Golden State specifically Steph handled that.
Man look at nicks top 10 and look at the jerseys their wearing , lakers really are something else .
Steph is not only going to get one more ring...he’ll probably end up with 2-4 MORE!! I can see him at 40 still being effective at 24mins & 16ppg on a winning Dubs team.
I'm a nick supporter... but he needs to stop saying that steph will never get another ring... he must think his foot tastes delicious.
Warriors are going to be favorites next year
they gonna struggle to stay healthy, their core is getting old
@@ryedye335 probably very true but it costs nick nothing to just not bet against the man haha
Regarding Steph's Total Points:
Nick: Bird's career was cut short because of a back injuries.
Me: Steph's career early on was cut short due to ankle injuries...
🤦♂️
Olajuwon only has 2 rings. He has 2 FMVPs, 2 DPOYs, 1 MVP. I need to know what he did exactly to make him ironclad ahead of Steph, who has 4 rings, 1 FMVP, 2 Scoring Titles, & 2 MVPs, including the only unanimous one in league history. & how was he objectively “better”? If Jordan didn’t retire, he would lose everything on that list except the 1 MVP (MAYBE) & we’re gonna act like he was just oh so dominant while Steph just tripped & fell into all this success huh? Steph has had his MOST success against the so-called best player of his era/GOAT, so what is the argument for Hakeem over Steph Curry?
Exactly. The credit Hakeem and the Big O get for such few rings and only individual accolades I just don’t get. Especially with all the individual talent out there
I also have Curry over Hakeem. The biggest argument against Curry is that he's only the 2nd best player in half of his championships, though it was pretty close. There's a lot of validity to that argument since it also applied to Kobe. Also, he should've won the 2015 finals MVP, but Iguodala was better in a lot of advanced metrics that Curry didn't even garner a single vote.
@@requiem9749 half his championships equal all of Hakeem’s so even that is an extremely terrible argument. They’re literally just being nostalgic oldheads, lmao. Steph is, in every way, superior to Hakeem Olajuwon. It’s not even close. If the accolades were flipped, they wouldn’t even acknowledge Steph Curry
@@requiem9749 but at the same time he uses amount of points, assists and rebounds to say Steph is not as good as others, while in that 2015 series Steph lead the Warriors in all categories.
Andre got that finals MVP for his one on one defense on Lebron. Since when has one on one defense on the other teams best player been the criteria for FMVP?
He was the clear bus driver. Kd drove the bus for two of Steph’s rings. Hakeem one of the best defenders all time too
how can Giannis right now be ahead of legends like Wilt.. heck, even Dirk has better resume right now than Giannis....
Nick’s list is limited to the past 50 years. Wilt and Russell had a lot of their accomplishments more than 50 years ago and therefore not considered in this list by Nick.
I’ve been wondering, if the Lakers during Kobe’s era hadn’t lost against the Pistons and the Celtics, so Kobe would be 7-0 in the finals, would he be considered better than MJ, or would there be an argument that 4 of the 7 came courtesy of Shaq, so only 3 of them really count in the way that all 6 of MJs count? Or would he be considered exactly the same as he’s considered now?
If he hadn’t ever lost, he’d be Top 3, all time.
There were talks of Kobe being better than MJ when Lakers curing the title runs when Kobe was the top dog. Shaq/Kobe Lakers were well on their way to being the best team all time and during first 3 peat, Shaq was on his way to becoming the GOAT. The NBA has been trying to find a replacement for MJ ever since he retired and the only thing that stays constant is no one's been able to match his combination of winning and individual dominance. So he's remained the standard bearer until someone can clearly overtake him
Kobe is the greatest laker ever
Well lebron lost 6...
I'm not sure why the media rank Lebron over kobe. Lebron played in the weak eastern conference, responsible for player generated super teams, has less championships, and with all that has the 2nd worst Finals appearance record.
Who is Nick Wright when it comes to basketball knowledge? I'm a Lakers fan and not a GSW fan or Steph fanboy, but I just need to point out that Nick Wright is number 1789 on everyone's sports personality lists. 😀
Curry's a great player but to me he doesnt pass Shaq with 1 finals MVP and 2 championships as the third best player on the court behind Bron and KD in which he didnt win finals MVP. Shaq is still the only best player on a team to threepeat since MJ and won all three finals MVPs in a dominant fashion. Its only been 7 years and people have somehow forgotten Curry's 1st ring was against a team in which 2 of the top three players and starters were injured....
oh please
Magic only won 5 rings because he had another top 10 player next to him and the same for Shaq and Kobe. By that defenition none of them should be in the top 10.
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 I don't need to cry cupcake. Magic has 5 rings with another top 10 player.
Kobe won 2 rings without another top 10 player and Shaq only 1.
Looking at this top 10, Steph won all 4 of his rings without another top 10 star. That means only Lebron and MJ had the same or more rings without another top 10 player.
But I get it, you have to move the goalposts to discredit Steph. It's ok, you are just proving his greatness. Thanks.
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 so Wilt can never be top 10 either? Because he only won 2 chips and 1 FMVP.
You see, again with the moving goal posts. But I get it, you have to hate on Steph to make yourself feel better. That is ok, I get people like you need that.
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 oh and if you want the 3-1 lead blown, how about all the top 10 players who got swept in the finals? Or that does not count because it doesn't fit your narrative?
Outsmarting / Avoiding injuries is part of greatness
Steph shouldve prob been 1st team all nba every year from 2015-2022 (besides his injured year). The way people talk about Jokers advanced stats Steph is in the same category. If u look at advanced stats Steph clears Booker this year. And Bookers Basic Stats were only slightly better than Steph.
Yeah right buddy
This is a great discussion and a great video
1.Jordan(Undefeated in Finals)
2.LeBron(won a championship in his hometown)
3.Russell(11 rings)
4.Magic(Best player of the 80’s)
5.Kareem(Most points all time)
6.Shaq(Unstopabble 7 footer)
7.Tim Duncan(Most skilled PF)
8.Stephen Curry(Greatest shooter ever)
9.Kobe Bryant(Most Game winners in NBA history)
10.Wilt(scored 100 points in a game)
11.Larry Bird
12.Hakeem Olajuwon
13.Giannis Antetokumpo
14.Dwayne Wade
15.Kevin Durant
16.Dirk Nowitski
17.Jerry West
18.Dr.J
19.Kawhi Leonard
20.Allen Iverson
21.Russell Westbrook
22.Kyrie Irving
23.Isiah Thomas
24.Charles Barkley
25.Kevin Garnett
26.Scottie Pippen
27.Tracy Mcgrady
28.Draymond Green
29.Patrick Ewing
30.Carmelo Anthony
31.James Harden
Respectable but no way russ is that high, certainly not better than scottie pippen
First of all I'm a huge Russ fan and he shouldn't be that high, same with Kyrie. Russ is in the top 40, Kyrie in the top 60-70. Second of all T-Mac & Melo have no business being on this list and so does Draymond. Wtf dude?? DRAYMOND GREEN IS A TOP 30 PLAYER EVER??😅 Come on now...
You have Kyrie Irving over Isiah Thomas?
Draymond not even top 75. Westbook not top 30 either lol
You fail so bad .draymond green u sick?don’t ever talk about basketball draymond over Ewing you must be joking.
Stephen Curry is a winner. All he does is win, win, win.
I do put Steph in the top 10 but Nick is right about the totals thing with Steph which is weird but more of an anomaly. He has already passed Reggie in 3 pointers but is way behind him in points. Reggie and Steph are equally underrated mid range shooters so it is a little strange to me.
Entire discussion has been around steph curry,that itself proves his greatness,he doesn't need anyone's certificate
Total stats do not indicate a players greatness, they indicate a players longevity. Yeah, Steph is just past 20k points in his carrier, but he averages 24ppg on 48% shooting 43% from 3 and 91% from the freethrow line, that’s better than most people in Nick’s top 9. Steph has struggled with injuries throughout his career, and that’s the main reason he doesn’t have high totals and more 1st team all-nba. Kareem is the leader in scoring totals, yet I could name several players that are better scorers than him, MJ, KD, Steph, Bird, Harden, Bron, Wilt, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, and more!!! So totals have never meant “better”. Nick just wants to make the case that it does just so it helps his Bron GOAT argument.
Fantastic point
Bird and Olajuwon gone. Steph is the greatest shooter ever, and has the 3-point record on lock forever, probably.
Olajuwon has the block record on lock forever if we’re using that argument
@@thedude7596 I think blocks are cool... And I think Olajuwon is cool. I just think 3 pointers are more important than blocks to the outcome of a game and therefore championships and top 10 level greatness. If you're an NBA fan, then tell me with a straight face that watching Olajuwon was more fun than watching Steph.
@@thedude7596 Agree to agree
The disrespect 'The Dream' gets nowadays is getting border-line criminal at this point...
The narratives are all lined up for Steph to be an MVP candidate. Let's say he breaks his own record for 3-pointers in a season, or comes close. He was leading the MVP race for about 30% of last Season. The voters want it. He just needs to do it. He won't have to worry about "voter fatigue" like Joker, Giannis, etc.
Durability should count but not against Steph. Its actually incredible that he not only fought through his early injuries but came out the other end a 10x player and is stronger today than he ever has been. How incredible is that? His ankle injuries early on guaranteed to end most if not all other players careers.....Steph came out the other end one of the greatest offensive weapons in existence.
Not only that, he is the smallest dude on any of these top10/top20 lists by a HUGE margin. Those other guys have their pure genetic athleticism to lean on, Steph has none of that natural advantage.
Put him in the top 10 or not, you can not understate the incredible accomplishments he has made as a 6'2 small guard. He took a game dominated by giants and completely changed the battlefield. He forced them out wider to become faster, more nimble and better shooters and then proceeded to be the greatest to ever do it at that range. After he spread them out then he dominated the inside by becoming one of the great small guard finishers at the rim we've ever seen....all without dunking.
I think the most insulting things I hear are when these guys try and talk about Giannis and Luka and KD are foregone conclusion Top 10 players even though Curry has accomplish WAY more than they have so far. It's insane.
Respect the greatness while we can.
Hmm.. Kobe and Shaq won 3 together, Kareem and Magic won 5 together and they are all top 10.. Why is Steph’s 2 rings with KD less significant?
@ Chris Broussard. Getting numbers in today's NBA is not the same as getting numbers in the 90s and 80s etc. Averaging 28 is not the same as before. There are also many more possessions now due to the 14 second rule and the defense is not even the same. Also getting rebounds is not the same as because the ball bouncing way back due to the number of three pointers taken. You cant just simply say their numbers and rings anymore.
But numbers and rings is the argument for everyone in the top 10. Even Nick uses numbers and rings to validate his list...
Dirk nowitzki is definitely one of the most underrated players of all time he should at least be top 15
The first team all nba thing is interesting because Russ and Harden finish above steph in a bunch of those years but no one would say either of those guys was better than steph
Did chris just reveal the media agenda. Top 10 isnt about who is actually better but accomplishments. Kinda make the list void
while the warriors were down due to injuries a lot of teams catched a break. let's pump the brakes on Giannis a little considering the competition and health of other teams. for the west Suns were fortunate to get to the finals too because of the same reasons. yet this year MIL themselves got unlucky. this leads to the question: would MIL have beaten Celtics and then more imporantly the GSW fully loaded? I do not think so. the Warriors last few years seem more like a Jordan baseball hiatus absence more than anything else. and when I look at Giannis from a career storyline perspective I see mini Hakeem
I think Milwaukee would beat gsw Milwaukee is a better match up than Boston gsw would be in such big foul trouble because they couldn’t stop Giannis and they would dominate the paint Boston played stupid they where jacking up massive 3 they should have drive the basketball and use their physically but they played stupid and there wasn’t anyone who could dribble the ball that was the biggest problem Boston lost gsw didn’t score many points but look how many points Boston made I think Milwaukee is capable of getting more points than 90 a game
when steph was still in college no one believed his ability, the same way when he was about to enter the nba, now he has four championship rings, multiple mvp and many records no one still believes in his ability.
Bill Russell wins 11 titles as the best player on the team, never loses game 7, yet isnt top 10.... and Luka is 20 .... that's wright?
Wow how can you not have Wilt in your top 15? That's ridiculous. No way some of those guys are better. Everyone forgets how unbelievably dominate he was
In defense of NBA history a lot of his points are coming in three's. Everything is in context but Steph is #10 on my list.
There’s no doubt Bird is a better passer than Steph
Curry is conversation of being in all time top 10 but needs at least more NBA finals mvps to solidify it
Nah
He already top 10
4 rings being the busdriver
@@princecalgaming5102 agreed... can't argue with that anymore... i never thought he would win another and to make it worse a fmvp at 34 being so frail... very supprising
People ain’t gonna talk about Steph curry injuries when he first started ?????????
So the fact that Stef changed the game of basketball with his range doesn't even get considered as a variable , lemme guess because Nick cant find that in a stat sheet. LOL
Spot on. Perfectly accurate.
You can chop it up how you want to but MJ, Kareem, Kobe, Lebron, and Magic are top 5.
Best basketball players under 6'9": Jordan, Kobe, Steph
Chris is such a great antidote to bs nick spews from time to time
Totals shouldn't matter... Except when you're talking top 10. At this point, everything is going to be nitpicked. Even all star appearances come in to question, numbers of games played per season, competition in said era, significant loses, who did the player lose to etc etc. It's the top 10.
Giannis will win a few more and there’s a great chance Steph wins a couple more as well. That’s warriors team is loaded
Facts I see warriors doing it again next year because there is no big free agents so most teams will b the same.
Giannis is more likely to win more
No one ever mentions every 3 curry makes is historic. Why does that not hold weight in the curry GOAT argument?
Nick crazy if he think Giannis is already top 15 all-time. Top 25? Maybe.
Lmao one more ring and he’s top ten you sound crazy my man he’s the best player and already a champ your tripping
It's only last 50
Nick should change his last name from wright to wrong, pun intended.
All these panelists talking about stats, but why do people play basketball? TO WIN🤦🏽winning is all that maters IMO,
Totally agreed.
All I can say is, if GSW is healthy to play, they can contend and even win the finals. The only thing hindering their greatness is injury. That's all.
I've watched a bunch of Magic games. I don't see why he's considered better than Steph.
He got one more chip, but never without his "KD" ( Kareem). Magic never won without Kareem, Steph won 2 workout KD (so far).
I get that his defense is a lot worse than Magic, I get that his passing is not as good either.
But Steph's shooting literally eliminated a position. I don't think it's absurd to make the argument that Steph's shooting is more influential than Magic's passing.
By better a guess you mean taller
Where's Scalabrine at? Stop disrespecting the White Mamba!
To be greater then Curry you need at least 4 rings. If you want to debate him with players with less rings then debate him to players with more rings too
Exactly! Why is Nick sitting here talking about "Giannis is coming"?? Coming where? He has 1 chip so far 🤷♀.
Nick Right just loves to elevate his favorites (Giannis & Bron) but Curry has 4 chips and he says he’s barely top 10… where is the consistency
I agree… championships, championships, championships. God forbid any player of the modern era wins 8 or 7 rings. They would be instantly top 5
👀….Steph could end up with 6-7.
If they're mvp type of guy ,why not.big difference being a steph or durrant or giannis then a Robert horry
You heard it first from Nick Wright, Curry is unlikely to win another MVP so looks like Curry is getting another MVP.
LeBron: Equal 41st in NBA Rings. In case you can't count Nick, Lebron isn't top 40 in the stat that matters most!!!
Nick gets on the Curry bandwagon. A lot of bumps but he got on.
Broussard made a comment along the lines of “Hakeem only had two, we might say he’s better but if Steph gets five we’d probably move him ahead.” Like what? Lmao if you think Hakeem is better than he is better in your opinion. If you see them both play and think Hakeem is better then go with that. These media analysts have ruined these discussions for everybody. Way too much weight is held on championships in a team sport when ranking players in my opinion. Football it literally makes no sense whatsoever because there are sooooo many factors a QB doesn’t have any control of that go into winning football games. And in basketball it only makes a little bit more sense than zero.
The point of sports is to win. Anyone who's watched the NBA long enough knows the nature of basketball allows a single player to have more impact than any other major American sport. Every single great player measures themselves primarily through rings and if you're not standing at the top at the end of a season, you get lost to history. Nobody ruined anything for anyone because I can guarantee you that winning rings has been a part of discussion since Bill Russell (nearly all of the league's history). Def not the only thing, but it is the biggest thing.
Steph rightly asked "what they gonna say now" and Nick's ready with "regular season total points". Lol.
It's the total points now? Not points per game? Wonder how playing more games matter than scoring more. That too in regular season. Steph scored even more per game in playoffs then regular season. I thought playoffs mattered?
And all that being said, Steph is still playing at a very high level and its very possible he could score another 8000 to 10000 points and endup Top 15 or even Top 10 in points.
Bc lebron is gonna be the total points leader
@@justin4428 not everything is about lebron, regular season matters otherwise mvps, and dpoys, all nba, all that goes out the window in all time rankings
@@youraverage90sguys7 With Nick, everything is to support LeBron. With Nick it's now about total points in the regular season and finals appearances (not finals win). Chris Broussard is correct again and Nick is wrong, again. But at least he has Steph in the top 10 🤷♀
@@auntiez4917thats cap, he never said its only about getting to finals, yall wanna hear what yall wanna hear. he is very openly admitting if steph were to win enough titles, he would surpass lebron, he also has said giannis is on a trajectory that could surpass him. just because a person has a different player as their goat dont mean everything is about that player, projection at its finest
Look. Steph is GREAT. The greatest shooter ever and a transcendent offensive player with 4 rings 2 MVP'S and finally a Finals MVP..... BUT the problem I have with Steph is his limitations defensively. That's why it's hard for me to put him in my top 10. I'm not mad at people who do though. This recency bias is a trip though. Lol
I don't understand why Nick is so confident saying Steph won't win another championship...but I'm glad he's putting that on the record. More fuel for the aging Dubs core to push for a repeat! Let's Go Dubs!
There’s no world in which Steph Curry is top 10.
You need to win at least 2 finals MVPs and two defensive players award.
You can’t be top 10 and make ZERO all defensive teams. 😂💀💀
Steph has Only 1 FMVP in 4 titles and no all defensive teams lol
Nick is way to high on Giannis's potential imo. He can break top 10 but not " coming for everybody"
I HATE it when I agree with Nick. Unless Steph adds another regular season MVP or Finals MVP he's not moving much further up the list. While Giannis has (barring injury) the potential to move past a whole bunch of dudes because he's only 27 and he's already out together a Hall of Fame career.
One other note though, If Kobe gets put ahead of Shaq then the list is whack. Can't be teammates for almost a decade and one guy was clearly the Alpha on the team and then put the other guy ahead of them All-Time.