The Yoko Factor: Buffy the Vampire Slayer 4x20 Reaction
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- The Yoko Factor: Buffy the Vampire Slayer 4x20 Reaction
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You have to remember, Spike is over 100 years old and learned from the master: Angelus. So, yeah, he's definitely going to be an effective shit stirrer.
angel never did anything like this. his specialty was killing everyone you care about in order to drive you insane.
It's bad that the plot often forgets that Spike is 100 + years old. They used this advantage couple of times only.
I love how Spike picked up on Willow and Tara in an instant, and incorporated it into his plan with little thought.
It's easy for Buffy to feel alone. She's carrying the whole weight of being "The Chosen One" and not realizing that she doesn't need to do it alone. Buffy just wants to make certain her friends don't get hurt, and by doing this she shuts them out.
Some interesting parts in this episode, highlights are Angel and Riley acting like jilted teenagers in Buffy's room, and the smug smile Angel gives Riley when she says she needs to talk to Angel alone. Also Giles being drunk and telling Buffy 'you'll get your arse kicked'. Buffy really hurts Willow and Xander when she says 'I guess that's why there is now ancient prophecy of the chosen one and her friends' after all they have done for her, and she has done for them. Some excellent work by Spike setting all the friends against each other like a modern day Iago from Othello, there was foreshadowing for this in The Earshot episode when Buffy was reading the students mind re Othello Play. Giles playing Freebird is of course the highlight.
The point on Buffy hurting Willow and Xander I think gets overlooked a lot. Willow had a golden ticket to a smooth future with access to any college she'd want and a clear path from there on, and she gave that up to attend a state college with Buffy to help her help people. Meanwhile Xanders just an average every man and like Willow he routinely risks his life to help her, not to mention Buffy would literally be dead without him. They have a reason to be a bit a bit upset with her. especially considering that part of the reason they are upset is that they are both worried about her safety as she runs off after bigger and bigger threats alone.
I agree with you to an extent. In this episode I agree that the gang had reasons to be upset with each other. The issue, which is a big common theme, that really gets played in this episode is the scoobies don't talk to each other about their emotions until they are pushed. Spike notices each members insecurities and plays them easily. Here is where I differ from some of your comment. No one forced Willow to stay in Sunnydale. She stayed of her own choice and while part of it was for Buffy, there was a selfish part of her that enjoys the magic and helping which she could only get if she stayed. Xander, who also feels insecure about his usefulness jumps at any chance to help. This goes back to an earlier episode where Spike calls them "the same 10th grade losers they have always been." Was it nice? No. But what makes Spike such a great character is that most of what he says is truth. He just spins it to his advantage. Part of Willow and Xander still feel that way so when Buffy makes comments about her strength or how she is the only Slayer they lash out. Thus proving to Buffy that a slayer is always alone and furthering the cycle of insecurity.
@@troikas3353well then, Buffy did Willow a favour in helping Willow to decide what she wanted to do in ‘Choices’ because she never would have met Tara if she didn’t decide to go to UC Sunnydale with Buffy.
She never would have met the love of her life. I think that’s a pretty big trade-off.
@@troikas3353 Willow said staying was nothing to do with Buffy " actually this isn't about you" , and yes Xander saved Buffy but Xander, Willow and Cordelia would literally be dead if Buffy hadn't came to Sunnydale and Faith prob wouldn't be a slayer either.
To me, the Yoko Factor is the main theme of the season. The Initiative and everything they represent was just another aspect of the differences between high school and college driving the Scoobies apart/causing them to grow apart and was never the point of the season in any way. At best they were just around to be the an antagonist while creating the villain.
Agreed. This is precisely what saves Season 4 from being a complete monotonous waste of our valuable time.
All the best episodes of Season 4 of ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ have nothing to do with The Initiative or Riley or Adam. Have nothing to do with the contrasting themes of Magic VS Science. The best episodes are to do with identity, sexuality, team work, communication and adulthood.
They’re actually always to do with character representation and development rather than plot.
‘Hush’
‘Pangs’
‘Restless’
‘Superstar’
‘Fear, Itself’
‘A New Man’
‘Who Are You’
‘Wild At Heart’
‘Something Blue’
‘The Yoko Factor’
‘New Moon Rising’
You could actually take the whole Season 4 Initiative/Riley/Adam plotline away and the season would still be just as interesting to watch because the bigger story going on is how the Scoobies are navigating the fresh-out-of-high school lifestyle. If they had made this story the only focus of the season and had scrapped The Initiative/Riley/Adam plot entirely, I reckon it would have been much better. The Initiative provide questions but they don’t provide answers. They’re the replacement of the Watcher’s Council. Largely and mostly misogynistic and patriarchal. The technological and scientific aspects work contrasted with the magical and mystical aspects but that’s it. There’s nothing else interesting about their inclusion.
@@Girl4Music I agree, but at the same time I think, as stated, part of the reason they work in the long run while individual episodes are 👎 is because the group isn't acknowledging what The Initiative actually represents vs what they assume it represent, and it becomes a force in driving the high school group apart vs keeping the college group together. While it was written that way on purpose The Initiative isn't interesting for individual storytelling because the series was built around the mystical and the mythological. This episode was the message (of high school vs college, and keeping the group together) to all of that. Not just for the season of said theme, but for The Initiative, as well.
@@Buffy8Fanyep. Totally on board with this interpretation.
😂😂 WHAAT!!!
Dakara at the end of the episode, Almost falling of her chair as Giles did in the episode
Let's get a cat, I'm sure rat Amy is going to love it.
Things were way different 20+ years ago. It truly is amazing how they were able to develop an organic relationship between Tara and Willow, they had to do so much within the boundaries of network TV. It reminds me of the ground breaking kiss between Captain Kirk and Lt. Uhura in the 60s. A progressive ahead of its time moment, the same can be said in hindsight of the Willow and Tara relationship
Nothing organic about theur relationship. I thought the relationship itself was written well, and Tara is a good character, but Willow being lesbian is character beung rewritten fir political points because anyone who watched the first 3+ seasons knows full well Willow was 'all about the boys' until the writers just decided to make her lesbian for giggles. Half the series, she's hetero to the max and the other half she us so lesbian she finds boys 'icky'. Lol Again, if you watch from the intro of Tara to the end, Willow being lesbian works. The writer, the characters, the acting all sell it. But, it makes no sense when you watch the first half.
The Writers of BTVS: “Made ya look!”
Buffy was right in that there is no prophesy about a chosen one and her friends. There was however a prophesy about a solitary chosen one, it ended with her dying.
I appreciate that the show doesn't shy away from letting all its characters be fallible, flawed and human. Getting upset with each other, saying things they don't really mean but you understand why they are frustrated enough to say them. There are no typical "celluloid heroes" in this show, just imperfect people in way over their heads trying to do the right thing. Though I do wish the show would focus a bit more on some of the other characters perspectives a little more often than it does.
Fun reaction especially to see Spike doing his best underhanded pot stirring and turning the Scoobz against each other.. and an added plus to bring Angel in for closure from Angel ep 19 and then to get a little juvenile testosterone posing between he and Riley.... a lot of fun and then the little reveal at the end.... great stuff that gets you another CTU from me today.... Keep em coming, D!
I think Giles, the actor Head, was in a british punk band in his youth.
Yeah you never forget that feeling of betrayal at the end
That reaction to the Riley reveal is one of my favourites, and I've seen a few by now.
At the time, I really didn't like season 4, but it's grown on me over the years. Adam really didn't sit right on my first run, but he feels like less of an issue now.
I wish we could have seen what the season was intended to be before the actress playing Walsh quit early. I feel like the season plot might have been pretty solid.
@@troikas3353I have a whole piece of meta talking about that myself but I can’t post it because it’s too spoilery of future seasons and character arcs.
The utter grossness that is Ryley. The audacity of that chewed piece of gum of a person!
Angel was amazing thought. I always say that, and I always will be. My boy Angel is a perfect ex.
12:26 here. Here is the moment that tells you everything you need to know about Riley. He doesn't trust Buffy and doesn't have even basic respect for her. She should've dumped his useless ass right there. Angel's grinning in that scene is priceless.
Riley os awesome. He does trust Buffy. He literally agrees with everything she does. Lol I like Angel... but perfect ex? Did you watch season 2 at all? Lmao
@volourn9764 he agrees with her, by..... refusing to leave the room? When she asked him to? By acting like an insecure piece of sh_t and avoiding accountability for his words and actions? By cheating on her and blaming her for that? Ah, yes, truly awesome boyfriend.
Even though the focus of this episode should be Buffy, Angel and Riley... I think Giles steals the spotlight, with his brilliant performance. "Bloody Hell"
first reactor to completely get angel saying he doesn't like riley. i often write a comment clumsily trying to explain what you just said way more eloquently. he does like him!!!
Why is the obvious completely always confusing to people with the end.
Riley showing up to face Adam at the end wasn't a "Owe I'm here to join you" response.
It's obvious to me that it's a "you killed my friend and now I'm here to kill you for it" response.
Wow! I mean, really? Straight to "Riley is bad." I guess this show really does mess with people's trust issues.
Spike has always been an empath because that's what he was before he died.
His demon sharpened those abilities and is very in tuned with the intuition. He can easily read the room.
Xander really had no right to tell Riley about Buffy's personal business. That was Buffy's job.
She asked Riley if she's ever given a reason not to trust her, and yet she's been less than honest about Angel.
It ticks me off that the fandom doesn't make her accountable for her issues she doesn't want to own up to just because of "girl power" protagonist bs.
She's human first (which makes her emotional and flawed, like anyone else) and a female badass, second.
11:30 Angel isa vampire, he's far stronger faster and tougher than any regular human.
Same sex kissing on network tv then was pretty much an absolute no, so it takes a while for anything to ever really be shown in their relationship, if you’re wondering why.
Spike🤘The Og Renagade Rebel! Here for him, However I can't tell you how therapeutic it was seeing Angel just toy with that idiot 😂 Throwing him down the alley lmao never gets old 🙌
Riley "might" be an asshole, but I shall not spoil your enjoyment.
"Have they even kissed by now?" ... LOL Willow literally stayed the night with Tara. I'm sure a lot more than kissing happened. (TV back then couldn't show things like that. Stations were so freakin' scared of some Karen writing letters to them complaining. They didn't understand that it was an illusion, that it was really only tiny fringe groups complaining.)
Just explained this in a much lengthier post. Willow and Tara are definitely very physically intimate if the sleepovers are any indication… it’s just their intimacy cannot be shown on-screen. She’ll just have to make do with the magic = sex metaphor if it really matters.
And didnt even get to the solo...
Posting my BUFFY REWATCH recap for ‘The Yoko Factor’. May contain spoilers.
So it's only been one episode since the big reveal and Willow and Tara are now so comfortable with each other that they're able to spend time together without involving magic. Playing with the new kitten that Tara has gotten, of which Willow already considers their pet, affectionately referring to it as 'ours', and Tara agrees.
In fact Willow seems to be more invested in the relationship between them than Tara realizes as she proposes they share an off-campus living environment together. Tara automatically thought she'd just want to dorm with Buffy again, but Willow knows she's growing a part from her best friend and getting closer to and much more personal with her girlfriend. She figures sharing a living environment with her is the next step for them. She wants to live with Tara.
It's a big step for them but one Willow is already well ready for despite the way Tara feels about it. Tara still thinks Buffy and the Gang is where Willow's head and heart is. But Willow's already in deep with what she feels for Tara. The way she sees it: They're both adults. They go to the same college. They're pretty much with each other every minute of the day anyway. It's more than logical for her to live with her. Miss Kitty Fantastico included. And when we get into the beginning of Season 5, we find out that's exactly what happens.
As we follow their journey through the show, we continue to see Willow being far more invested in the relationship than Tara. Sometimes to an uncomfortable degree. She's always been a clinger due to always worrying she's going to lose the ones she loves. This is a huge insecurity for her that we learn more about as the show progresses. As their story develops.
It's also in line to the way Riley feels about Buffy going into Season 5. The fact he believes that she does not love him. And he does some very extreme things to be as close to her as possible, to show his affection and commitment to her, fearing their relationship is really only one-sided. He is also a clinger. The way I interpret it: Codependency becomes an issue for both couples, and for Willow in particular, that's a big reason why she starts to abuse magic.
NO SPOILER
@@DaveVampireSlayer I put a warning.
@@DaveVampireSlayer Dakara's on season 6 on patreon so this is ok. But thanks for flagging.
urghhh a riley fangirl won't be missing this channel
No Willow and Tara have not kissed on-screen yet and you will not see them kiss. I made this point on Dodo Reactions reaction for the Season 5 ‘Real Me’ episode. The network would not allow Willow and Tara to be shown kissing. Joss Whedon had to fight tooth and nail for every little bit of intimacy and affection between them and he even threatened to quit the show if they wouldn’t allow at least one kiss scene. They all fought like hell with the network to allow any same-sex representation whatsoever. Censors would slam down on them every time.
And it’s not just this show where they did that. ‘Xena: Warrior Princess’ was heavily censored so they couldn’t explicitly make the main female characters a canon couple. They could only do it through heavy subtext. And believe me when I tell you that that actually helped them deliver real representation because they had to focus more on the emotional aspects of the relationship over the sexual aspects. It’s sad that it’s just because it was severely censored but they found a way to work it to their advantage. And now Xena and Gabrielle are majorly regarded as the epitome of WLW on TV. Willow and Tara could be canon. But that doesn’t mean they weren’t severely censored too. Every time you see a private scene between them and think about why they don’t show as much physical intimacy as the opposite-sex couples, remember the time the episode aired. It was very early 2000’s.
Take ‘Where The Wild Things Are’ for example. Buffy and Riley got a whole episode dedicated to them doing each other like rabbits whereas you see Willow merely only reach over and touch Tara’s knee before the narrative was flipped from a character feeling constant arousal to feeling immediate disgust. They did that intentionally to show the hypocrisy of Buffy and Riley shown to be having blatant sweaty sex for the entire episode VS Willow can’t even make physical contact with Tara in a non-platonic way. Of course Willow and Tara are just as physically intimate as the straight couples. It’s just not allowed to be shown because of the network.
But if that really matters to you - my suggestion is to read Willow/Tara fanfiction. There’s some really great well-written smutty fics lurking around. I read this Willow and Tara behind-the-scenes of Season 4 fic that really does seem like it could be canon. There’s an entire chapter dedicated to explaining the Netherrealm Spell in ‘Who Are You’ and what was really going on there with them. It’s fantastic.
Another one i usually skipped now I kinda want to see it again
love this ep, how Angel toy with the little wimpy riley lol
@@Belnick6666 I like how Angel calls him boy even though in "human" terms Riley would probably be a few years older. The only person to get away with that to angel was the Mayor, and even then I think Angel was still technically around longer.
@@KrystalloMantis I would say Angel is older than Riley in human years. Riley has that “fresh out of high school” look to him still whereas you could easily believe Angel was a college grad. If we’re going by school-age terms. It was the same with Oz until he shaved the goatee. He did not look like a high-schooler at all. Nor did he act like one. Angel has the same aesthetic and it’s intentional to show just how underaged Buffy is for him.
@@Girl4Music possibly. I'm just picturing him with the goofy wig and bad accent pretending to be drunk and it becomes easy to accept
@@KrystalloMantis I suppose in that way it’s possible to think Riley is older than Angel. But while Riley may not do that - he does do other immature shit which makes him look just as much of a adolescent as Angel when he does his drunk-fake out routine. They both lack in maturity levels that you could practically think Oz is older than the both of them combined. LOL.
Did you notice how quickly Willow's face fell when proposing her and Tara apply for an off-campus living environment together and Tara responds with "Oh, I just figured you'd be dorming it up with Buffy again." Like she looked all excited at potentially living with Tara and granted some of the upset was because she knows her and Buffy are distant at the moment but you can tell it bothered her that Tara immediately assumed she'd want to live with Buffy. Almost as if she thought Tara thought she'd only be around until Buffy wanted to spend time with her again. As if Tara perceived it as she wasn't taking the romantic relationship she had with her seriously.
I don't know. There's just something in that reaction of Willow's as soon as Tara mentions Buffy that makes me see the interaction they have this way. Like Willow's full steam ahead on the love train but Tara's sort of just expecting to get dropped off at the next stop when Buffy gets picked up. I wouldn't say it's jealousy because I don't think Tara is the jealous type but there's some discomfort there. Or maybe there isn't but from Willow's perspective there is. I don't know if I'm explaining this well.
It's as if Tara is doubting that she loves her when Willow clearly is invested in what they have already otherwise she wouldn't be suggesting them moving into their own place together. Tara isn’t confident.
I'm with you on the LGBTQ+ issues, in that I am also "this era" and my short bout of homophobia happened when two grown men wouldn't stop chatting me up when I was an awkward 15 yo (after already overhearing family saying they thought I was gay)
Didn't last long, but teens struggle with identity. All of them (it really isn't unique to queer people, which is why I get frustrated at the pretence that it is. Most women struggle to express and value their femininity, and masculinity is an even bigger issue for men because, in all honestly, we're judged far more harshly over it) Few weeks and it no longer bothered me (it's not like my family were suggesting it as an insult. Just looking for an explanation as to why I'm so awkward and weird. Turns out I'm just awkward and weird)
Xander's issues with being considered gay in earlier seasons? Pretty normal tbh.
I would suggest that you seeing these scenes NOW does alter your perception a little, in all likelihood. Remembering the difficulties of 20 years ago isn't the same as being surrounded by that culture, afterall :P
I remember that Buffy's reaction made total sense to me. Particularly bc she was not privy to what we knew. She'd pretty much met Tara during the body swap, then we get Jonathan altering reality and an episode of horny Buffy... THEN she suddenly learns Willow is gay now. From moping after boys for almost 4 years to gay in (from Buffy's perspective) a blink of an eye.
A moment of shock would have been far more justifiable back then, particularly in America (we're hardly advanced on these issues, but we'd already HAD the watershed moment of a lesbian kiss on TV years before Buffy even began. Hell, Queer as Folk was broadcast in 1999. Seriously doubt that could have been made in the US)
I know plenty of people in our(?) age bracket are STILL uncomfortable about LGTBQ+, even when they try hard to overcome it. And that REALLY demonstrates that they're good people overcoming cultural baggage, rather than closet bigots, imo.
I'm sure that Willow and Tara have kissed and more offscreen. Though the network wouldn't allow them to show any intimacy on screen.
to be fair, riley attacked him.
i just watched. riley makes it clear he thinks angel lost his soul since he sees the aftermath of the fight. angel then goes along with that. did not correct him. then the actual first move in the fight was angel marginally. i mean it's really just bad writing because angel knows riley is not evil so has no reason to not just say "i'm not evil i came to see buffy and these guys attacked me". i presume they did? so to me angel both decides to not clear up the misunderstanding and physically instigates once they square up.
@@leesmith9299Well too be fair this was right after Angel got done fighting a bunch of army guys.
@@MrSupertallblackman what do you mean? he would rightly assume riley was after him too because he's an army guy? if that's what you mean then i disagree. he recognised riley and knew his name. the talking gave him plenty of time to explain and learn. riley talked about him losing his soul letting angel know that riley knew he was normally good unlike the other army guys who would have assumed he was a bad vampire. i'm sure good angel would have wanted interference from riley if bad angelus was actually out again so he should have expected and not been annoyed by it. so defusing by telling him should have been his first choice. unless he just wanted a flimsy excuse to start a fight with the new boyfriend.
I’ve often ruminated on the concept of Buffy’s magical vagina (more so when I was a teenager).
Endless conversations between Buffy and Riley continue. Romance of boredom. Riley is just an insecure character. That's what this all 'not able to think straight' is about.
Yeah. There’s nothing romantic about that line. I’m surprised at Dakara’s reaction to it. “be still, my heart’.
No, that is literally emotional abuse. Riley is putting his inability to cope with Buffy visiting Angel on Buffy and his “love” for her. A character could be so in love with another character and not behave that way and certainly not use it as the excuse to not take accountability for their own actions. Willow does the same shit with her lovers. It’s not a representation of their love for their lover. It’s a representation of their co-dependency to them. It’s abusive and it’s not acceptable.
@@Girl4Music the plan was just to mention word 'love' and people should be like 'Oh, that's so sweet' to anything, doesn't matter what. But it's absolutely not about the amount of love. It's about that you are not sure neither in person, that they can be trusted nor in how much they love you and need you. It's insecurity. And what did Angel do exactly? Stayed in the same room for some time? Lol. Yes, Buffy, you are probably ready to cheat.
What is important. It's not only that he doesn't like Angel. Which he doesn't have to, but he starts blaming Buffy also. And then 'Oh, I am doing it because I love you'. No, dude. That's a bad sign. He makes her, the other person, everyone the problem and says 'I am doing it because I love you'. No. That's not how it works. And I want other girls to understand that.
@@Junejane4 precisely! You got it!
Adam is definitely the worst Big Bad of the entire series.
Second worst...😉
Why is the obvious completely always confusing to people with the end.
Riley showing up to face Adam at the end wasn't a "Owe I'm here to join you" response.
It's obvious to me that it's a "you killed my friend and now I'm here to kill you for it" response.
Wow! I mean, really? Straight to "Riley is bad." I guess this show really does mess with people's trust issues.
Spike has always been an empath because that's what he was before he died.
His demon sharpened those abilities and is very in tuned with the intuition. He can easily read the room.
Xander really had no right to tell Riley about Buffy's personal business. That was Buffy's job.
She asked Riley if she's ever given a reason not to trust her, and yet she's been less than honest about Angel.
It ticks me off that the fandom doesn't make her accountable for her issues she doesn't want to own up to just because of "girl power" protagonist bs.
She's human first (which makes her emotional and flawed, like anyone else) and a female badass, second.
Ok, first of all, you posted this same comment three times. That’s unnecessary. Secondly, I think you’ve misunderstood. Riley is not there to kill Adam. It’s shown pretty clearly in the next episode that he’s there against his will because Adam activated his chip and summoned him. He’s not the kind who would recklessly go marching in to kill the Big Bad on his own without backup, especially when they’ve been talking and planning how to kill him all season.
@@HerHollyness Well, if it repeated...it wasn't on purpose, so relax your funky attitude.
Yes, I know Adam activated his chip but Riley did think he was there to confront him. He lost everything he believed in and then one of his brothers in arms gets killed....he was on the run from the Initiative, so his thinking process is askew.
For him, he had nothing to lose, and obviously he wasn't thinking clearly because of the lack of meds Walsh was slipping him.
When he tried to Express that he was there on his own accord, Adam told him to sit down and he was shocked.
Why is the obvious completely always confusing to people with the end.
Riley showing up to face Adam at the end wasn't a "Owe I'm here to join you" response.
It's obvious to me that it's a "you killed my friend and now I'm here to kill you for it" response.
Wow! I mean, really? Straight to "Riley is bad." I guess this show really does mess with people's trust issues.
Spike has always been an empath because that's what he was before he died.
His demon sharpened those abilities and is very in tuned with the intuition. He can easily read the room.
Xander really had no right to tell Riley about Buffy's personal business. That was Buffy's job.
She asked Riley if she's ever given a reason not to trust her, and yet she's been less than honest about Angel.
It ticks me off that the fandom doesn't make her accountable for her issues she doesn't want to own up to just because of "girl power" protagonist bs.
She's human first (which makes her emotional and flawed, like anyone else) and a female badass, second.