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Funny how Faith and Spike both noticed Willow & Tara's relationship before any of her friends did.
Sometimes it takes fresh eyes to see things.
Cause they're queer. I don't care how much Whedon says otherwise. He can fuck himself.
@@visarr - It takes the outsiders sometimes.
Well, Spike is extra perceptive about anything relationship wise, and many think Faith is secretly into girls, so it would figure they would notice.
@@Gwenhwyfar7 ""secretly"" into girls 👀
Angel being petty about certain things is such a key component to the character. Him being petty about Riley is in absolutely no way, out of character for him. In fact, petty Angel is one of my favorite versions of Angel.
He wasn't in Buffy but he definitely becomes quite petty in his own show 😂
Petty Angel is literally my favourite Angel!
It is especially so when it comes to Buffy, he is possessive when he has no right to be.
@@DrawingPicture He barely exists as his own character in Buffy. He existed to serve whatever story they wanted to tell about Buffy. His origins, his curse, his motives all are just to service the "forbidden love" aspect for Buffy and he's just a tool to represent whatever metaphor Joss wants him to play as a part of Buffy's journey. They never really explore him as a character until he gets his own show really.
Yeah, Buffy and Angel are both kinda immature/petty when it comes to their relationship, even heading into the various comics (if you count them). The over-the-top drama is kinda a key thing to them.
Angel literally asks Buffy if there is something he can do to help and Buffy "say" that the best thing he can do is return to L A
Say it louder for the 2 in the middle
You're not using quotation marks correctly
Chris isn't there to explain simple concepts to them.
Guys, Angel can be quite petty. This episode wasn't way out of character for him, especially in all matters Buffy.
Riley being so insecure in his relationship that he just jumped straight to thinking Buffy cheated on him in LA because she looked sad when she came back is ridiculous.
It’s funny how people think that the older you are the less petty you are. All the vampires are petty; look how Giles is acting this episode. I’ve known plenty of elderly people acting petty.
Angel came to town got surrounded and attacked,, Riley came next and threatened him (because he was upset Buffy had sex with an ex in her past?), he fights because he’s being “protective“/territorial, and because of that Angel is a bit ramped up. He just didn’t want to leave things how they were with Buffy on his show. A simple conversation turned into a whole to-do.
Also Angel remembers turning human and getting to be with Buffy, she doesn’t, so even though she meant to hurt him by telling him about Riley she didn’t know how deep the cut was.
It was officially acknowledged at least since Faith said it “I guess Willow is not driving stick anymore”.
Since Tara said "I am, you know... Yours".
sometimes i think you guys don't pay attention to what you're watching, angel literally asks buffy if he can help with anything and she replies he better go back to LA
I didn't see how they reacted to Buffy showing up on Angel's show to confront Faith, but fans have heavily argued about her behavior in that episode for being supposedly out-of-character. Hence, it's quite interesting that The Normies think that Angel's behavior in this episode is the one that's out-of-character.
I am so sad Chris missed this ep. I love the combo of drunk Giles, emotionally manipulative Spike, and Angel v Riley. Good stuff. This season isn't the best of the bunch, but there are some classic moments throughout.
Hey guys. Don't forget. Angel is not just Buffys ex. He's fighting the good fight like she is. For that reason alone he will probably always be in her life in some capacity. Riley needs to understand that.
4:55 "I take it you're not an Angel fan either"
That close up on Marketa nearly killed me 😂
not a big Angel fan but i can admit that he wasnt being a jerk out of nowhere, you guys totally glossed over how confrontational Riley was from the jump and how he was prodding at some very intimate topics which is totally inappropriate to ask a total stranger about, Riley was out of line and Angel reciprocated
I don't think Giles minds (or will mind) the Willow/Tara relationship. I think it's just "one more thing" he thinks he found out last and he feels more and more out of the loop now that he's not technically Buffy's watcher anymore.
Suraj absolutely nailed it with how Angel acts around Buffy. She clouds his judgement and makes him act and do things that he would never do with anyone else. It's like he dumbs himself down to a teenager immaturity when it comes to her.
that's what love can do
That and the fact that vampires tend to stay the same age they were when they took over the human soul. So even though Riley is 21 here, Angel is also technically a 22-23 year old. How ever old he was when he died. 22 year olds are just as immature as 21 year olds.
@@notyouraveragebear9326 wait you think Riley is 21…the guy is a trained military ranked officer meaning he would’ve needed years to get to his position and is also a TA, he’s at least 23-24
exactly he always acts like this with buffy
And to be fair he displays pettiness multiple times in Angel too (think of his interactions with Lindsay and Spike)
I love this episode 💜 "you never train with me anymore, hes going to kick your ass." lmfao best line of the season.
And the way he says it, perfection lol
Angel is by no means a perfect character, I'm pretty neutral on him, but the amount of hate (hyperbolic) for him and the amount of love for Riley here is wild to me. Also I'm not saying Riley is a bad character, he's a great fit, but it'ss ok for Riley to immediately jump to "Buffy cheated on me" at the sound of Angels name?
He didn't just jump to "Buffy cheated on me" as you're implying. Buffy told him that she was going to tell him what happened with Angel. But instead, she intentionally left out the part where she slept with him which led to him having "true happiness". Then she left for LA to see her ex-boyfriend without any clear explanation of what she was going to do.
She made herself look suspicious.
Say what you want, the Angel cameo in this episode is absolute perfection in my eyes.
For most Buffy fans it is. But, I think these folks would rather talk and cheer at the action sequences then enjoying the series for everything it has to offer. The dialogue is often missed by these folks
@@drewraygyou meant for Angel fans not Buddy fans.
Giles reaction to Willow and Tara relationship is one of the funniest moments in the whole show lol
Super disappointed you guys won't be putting Angel on RUclips. "Five by Five" is some of the best Television ever created.
Amen to that
13:18 Marketa hates Angel confirmed
Lol this was confirmed waaay back
as she should
Good
@@ccaroIina 🤡
Poor drunk Giles!
she did tell him they all knew she went to L.A when she heard faith showed up
*The Beatles* discussion was too adorable and hilarious. You're gonna carry that weight.
"Of course I'd find you here, Forrest." Literal laugh out loud moment. 😂
Angel offered to stay or help or whatever, but Buffy declined because she knew it wouldn’t sit well with Riley. She didn’t wanna piss him off more … lol
Typical Buffy. Leading people on then pushing them away seconds later.
I knew Pat would like this Angel! LMFAO
Never heard a Beatles song. What a world...
Yeah, what? I agree with whoever said for them to watch Across the Universe.
Yeah, that is incredibly depressing..
Ikr? I'd watch a reaction of The Normies listening to some Beatles
marketa hates angel, confirmed
It was confirmed in Angel 1x08 where she went off on him choosing to rewind time and sacrifice his potential life with Buffy for the sake of the world and called him selfish for it
Big fact she said as much on patreon
@@Wezt334 Wait, WHAT?! Giving up his own love and happiness for the sake of the world is about as unselfish as you could get...
@@Wezt334That makes no sense. Giving up your happiness to help save the world is the antithesis of selfish..
Yeah, notice that Buffy is extra awful on Angel's show and Angel is extra terrible on Buffy's show. 🤣
The thing with Angel and Buffy is although they're ex's they never stopped being in love with each other so to leave it on a bad note wouldn't have been right so him coming to apologise and her doing the same felt natural to me because at the end of the day they'll always love each other even though they have to move on.
How they did a close up on Marketta's face when Riley said, "So I take it you're not a Angel fan either" killed me lol 😂
I'm sorry, all the hate for Angel, but nothing for the absolutely childish insecurities that Riley is displaying? He's the one who provoked, goaded, and challenged Angel to fight in the alley. Not to mention he had ZERO trust in Buffy remaining faithful? He basically accused her of cheating on him! Angel is facing off the new boyfriend of the love of his life, who attacked him first BTW, no DUH he was gonna act immature. Doesn't justify it but they're both flawed men acting like idiots. And Angel just came back with the pure intention of apologising to Buffy. I'm sorry I have problems with male toxicity just as much as the next person but ya'll love to hate on Angel when it comes to him and Buffy. Like. He is a person. He is going to feel things JUST as much as anyone else.
and unlike riley who's only had 20 something years on this earth, angel's had like 100 years to mature. riley saw angel attack a bunch of ppl and offer no explanation when riley asked him if angel lost his soul AND is still feeling hurt/betrayed by the fact that buffy wasn't completely honest with him about what happened to angel
@cchase1282 lol I wasn't denying any of that. Though Angel doesn't owe Riley an explanation when HE was the one who was attacked first and for all he knows that was Riley and HIS men who attacked him (Angel doesn't know any details about that situation)... I did say they're both idiots in this episode but no one is acknowledging the shit Riley is getting away with.
@@zainuqHe doesn't owe him an explanation, right, but then he shouldn't be blamed for attacking Angel, who he thought was Angelus. He's an evil fighter, if Angel didn't want to clarify he wasn't in fact evil that was on him.
@@ljoker3006 if he thought he was Angelus, then he’s even dumber for provoking him into a fight.
No, no and again no. Riley can be insecure as much as anybody in this world, is it reason enough to “hate” on him? He’s human, deeply in love and scared, how could someone not understand that. The only reason Riley is disliked is the toxic “love” for the charming character of Angel, who could only offer Buffy a platonic, unhappy sort of relationship. People tend to forget that Angel sure is a good guy, but was only given a soul as a punishment, not because he was filled with good intensions.
Angel’s always been petty 😂
Micky is right about Willow and Tara. Their relationship was heavily implied leading up to 4x19, but that last ep is when it became official. It might seem different watching the show 20 years later, but audiences back then had different sensibilities and needed things spelled out for them.
Yeah, because of the times, Willow and Tara's relationship progression is handled very differently to Buffy and her love interests or indeed Willow and Oz, where we know the first time they kiss, sleep together, etc. All that happens off screen during Season 4. If you go back to, I believe 4x12, two episodes after Tara had been introduced, Buffy asks Willow where she was "all night" and Willow awkwardly stammers she was studying at the library overnight. When Oz confronts Tara, suddenly wearing Willow's clothes she was wearing earlier that day and with Willow's smell "all over her," we can assume they slept together after Tara told her to do what makes her happy and before Tara went to class. There is a secret throughline and progression of a relationship (leading Willow affirming Tara is the "one she loves" last episode after a season of being secret FWBs) but it was all told in implication and suggestion until these last two eps.
Nope, none of that was ever "Jossed," it was open to interpretation. Mickey just likes to *explain* things as them being a certain way and only that certain way, and not just in this show
Nope.
Everybody who actually watched and appreciated the show understood the relationship between Willow and Tara from the beginning.
Heck, Willow's orientation was foreshadowed two seasons past, so it came as little surprise to anybody who paid attention, and that was almost the entire fan-base.
The reason Whedon had to be coy about it had nothing to do with the viewers. We were mostly all cool with it, and those who really didn't like Willow and Tara's relationship mostly just stopped watching.
No, Whedon's caution had nothing to do with the viewers. Rather, the networks feared lawsuits from the same sort of assholes who forced record companies to put warning labels about explicit lyrics and sexual content on album covers.
Back in the late '90s and early 'naughties, those same assholes were pushing hard to get warning stickers on video games and Hip-Hop albums, too.
As a result, Whedon had to deal with hidebound studio execs who freaked out that this incredibly popular show, targeted toward a youthful demographic, might openly portray the sort of relationship understood by everyone in middle school and older as just a fact of life in the really-real world.
It's not the viewers who were dumbasses. It was the damnfool censorship groups and cowardly studio execs who forced Whedon to "ease into" the portrayal of a lesbian relationship so slowly. 🙄
@@thomashiggins9320 Exactly
Some us a little smarter than that.
Do you guys really not get it? Angel came to see Buffy to apologize and of course he didn’t want to call he wanted to see her. The point is that they aren’t in each others lives, and their problems aren’t to be solved together. People do have ex’s and it’s complicated but, of course it’s heightened; Angel needed to come. This season was all about navigating life as individuals. They’ve been such a cohesive team since the beginning. Sometimes you have to break up the foundation to rebuild it into something stronger.
The Scoobies' argument in this episode is my favourite television argument of all-time. OF ALL-TIME. It's just so perfectly written from start to finish.
Micky
Your crazy
An marketa an Spidey
Peep game
Angel knew about Riley since Thanksgiving episode
Than the pow that faith gave him confirming Riley
How Buffy Threw Riley in angel face in that angel episode
Than finally
He meets Riley after being jumped by Riley military crew!!
Than Riley talked shit first
"You didn't lose that pesky soul did you?"
And yes angel gets
Kidlike around Buffy
Like in thanksgiving episode
To Willow "who's that"
As for helping Buffy
Y'all talked thru that part
Angel said" it seem crazy around here
Do you need some help" an Buffy said
"Honestly the best thing you can do is go"
There was nothing out of character or forced
Rewatch again
Pat loves petty Angel 🤣
how exactly do y'all not get the exes but allies sequence re: buffy and angel in this ep? are you not paying attention? wtf?
just bc they didn't like the execution of the crossover - while admitting it was necessary - doesn't mean they don't get that buffy and angel are exes but allies
Faith episodes on Angel are solid stuff! Strong writing especially for a season 1.
19:17 I know it's a low moment for the Scooby gang, but I think that might be one of my favourite scenes in the WHOLE show, definitely this season. I mean, drunk Giles doesn't disappoint
Spike technically didn't start any of the Scoobies issues in this episode. He just brought the issues they've been having all season to the surface.
To me, _The Yoko Factor_ is the main theme of the season. The Initiative and everything they represent was just another aspect of the differences between high school and college driving the Scoobies apart/causing them to grow apart and was never the point of the season in any way. At best, they were just around to be the an antagonist while creating the villain. They become a driving force in driving the high school part of the group apart while said group struggles through college. The Initiative isn't interesting for individual storytelling because the series was built around the mystical and the mythological. This episode was the message (of high school vs college, and keeping the group together) to all of that. Not just for the season of said theme, but for The Initiative, as well.
Of course Walsh would want her own weapons charging Adam and then lose control of him. 🙄
RIP to any chance of Foriley happening. 🤣🤣🤣
Considering the kind of character Forest was, it's hard to identify with Riley on his _my best friend is dead_ moment.
11:54-11:58 No, Pat. In-universe the year is 2000, which is when the episode was written.
I love that Buffy admits to going to LA having been a mistake. Nothing she did in the previous AtS episode backed up her reasons for saying she went down there until she admitted she had a right to vengeance. And the moment she said that, she lost rights to hate on Anya for her actions as a vengeance demon.
The Riley/Angel fight happened because the writers wanted it to. But I think Angel coming to Sunnydale emphasizes and shows the same type of problem in Buffy going to LA. They don't live in each other's lives anymore. This was the moment Buffy finally got that. So Angel being there had a purpose of Buffy closing a door on a relationship healthily.
Riley assuming Angel lost his soul after what Xander says, doesn't show he has much trust in Buffy. Buffy talking to her ex because she wanted vengeance on Faith isn't a reason for Riley to distrust her and assume she cheated. Same with Angel trying to apologize. Riley didn't know the full story. That is a true fact. But instead of talking to Buffy he used those mis-communication skills and turned his jealousy into blame by saying, "I'm so in love with you I can't think straight." That puts the blame of his issues on Buffy because he claims to love her so much. There was no actual apology. Buffy has done nothing wrong other the the same non and mis-communicating their relationship had since before it started. Nothing about any of this was forced writing. It was all the characters acting in-character, which means stupidity, with Buffy and Angel learning from it while Riley doesn't.
I love that Buffy gets the last word in the Scooby's argument. Usually with this type of fight between them they get the last word against Buffy and never apologise once they know the full story. In this case the full story is out there and Buffy just asks, "How can you possibly help?" after listening to the argument start because the last straw of all the season's issues was Buffy not thinking them going on this particular mission was a good idea.
Spidey was right about why Buffy was acting as she did with the last lines after asking how they could help. They were in her face too long. Unlike most the other Scoobies, Buffy doesn't verbally attack her friends, but she will verbally defend herself if she feels verbally attacked, and her friend have started many a verbal attack against her.
It's funny that James Marster was just vibin' out to Giles guitar play, especially with him being a real musician.
Riley is shown to have very little trust in Buffy. She tells him about Angel and what happened between them. He’s told by Xander, who is incorrect, that Angel loses his soul if he has sex, Buffy goes to L.A. to deal with Faith/interact with Angel. Angel comes to Sunnydale to see Buffy and Riley believes he doesn’t have a soul therefore thinking Buffy hooked up with him. How insecure is that?
If you look at it like Angel represents that high school first love that never works out, Riley represents that first “grown up” relationship you have after high school. It looks great when you compare it to how messy your first love/break up was but it has major issues that you just don’t see. In Riley’s case he has already shown feeling insecurity in their relationship as well as the beginnings of an inferiority complex but much like Buffy these guys don’t seem to see that yet.
Buffy should have been honest with Riley and told him the whole truth without hidding details that literally everyone else knew already. Angel lost his soul when he had sex with Buffy because she makes him happy. Buffy is my favorite character in the show but she's flawed like every other human is.
Riley is the most insecure character on this show and it gets unbearably worse from here.
C’mon guys his gf went on a secret trip to LA to see her immortal bad boy ex that she could f the soul out of… then he came back and threw his ass around like a rag doll lmao Riley is only human 😂😂
@@peters4115 “secretly?” 🤨 but other than that, yea you right 🤭🤭😆
Nah Marketa, Angel is right to ask, "You actually sleep with this guy?" He's bragging about still being able to pull a gun and shoot Angel after getting his ass soundly kicked in their fight. And Mickey, Angel has ALWAYS been petty. Remember when he showed up to talk to Buffy just about Xander after she danced with him in Season 2? Angel has always been a jealous guy. And also anyone who would rationally put money on Riley to beat Angel in a fight is completely lost in the Angel hate sauce.
She is a hater offcourse she would say that.
Angel hate sauce or rationally not liking an overhyped annoying character?
@@Vale9118It’s Angel hate sauce. Whatever Riley’s training and abilities, Angel is unquestionably the better fighter.
@@jonathan-d4d Riley is not just a soldier, he was severely drugged so it’s not that absurd to think he could handle himself even with Angel considering he beat up any kind of monster
@@Vale9118 I don’t think Riley could’ve beaten Angel back when he was drugged either, but that’s a moot point. He hasn’t had Walsh’s enhancements for several episodes now.
Now y'all need to watch Across The Universe after that "I can't name any Beatles songs" reveal
Totally.
I honestly love that angel came by. The only drama that really happened was he was jumped by a bunch of soldiers out of nowhere. If he wasn't jumped by soldiers he would have been in and out of the town in like 5 minutes. Apologizing to Buffy in person is very much like him. I'm sure Riley coming out of nowhere just to call him evil just rubbed him the wrong way.
This episode is messy in the best way possible (didn't know "so many people" talked about this episode though), but the next two episodes are just GREAT. Can't wait to see your reaction to them.
Interesting to note, Anthony Head randomly starts to grow that huge scar looking wrinkle that runs across his forehead during this period of Buffy. He says he guesses it was a stress line or something. It just shows up. Its weird.
I like you guys but it’s so weird how many of you like Riley LOL
Why? Riley is a great character
@@Vale9118 He's okay, lolol. I mean that's the popular opinion for a reason 🤷🏻♀️
Awww look at cute little Kitty Fantastico! Better put the safety on my crossbow ;)
Some interesting parts in this episode, highlights are Angel and Riley acting like jilted teenagers in Buffy's room, and the smug smile Angel gives Riley when she says she needs to talk to Angel alone. Also Giles being drunk and telling Buffy 'you'll get your arse kicked'. Buffy really hurts Willow and Xander when she says 'I guess that's why there is now ancient prophecy of the chosen one and her friends' after all they have done for her, and she has done for them. Some excellent work by Spike setting all the friends against each other like a modern day Iago from Othello, there was foreshadowing for this in The Earshot episode when Buffy was reading the students mind re Othello Play. Giles playing Freebird is of course the highlight.
I'm glad I rewatched some season one Avatar recently, because I would have been lost on the secret tunnel reference.
Team angel, always and forever.
Excellent episode.
I love the Discussion 😂😂😂 y'all funny.
While Angel thinks of himself as this serious hero, he has been shown more than once to be pretty immature when it counts. Hes a goofball who got drunk and then became a vampire. Just a goofball with a lot of baggage and hero complex, but a goofball. He likes to think he's ther rational one but mote than often hes not. Remember - everything Angelus is still comes from Angel even if he represses it by having actual conscience and inhibitions (as angel episode eith happy drugs shows soul is oretty much somilar to inhibitions and losing inhibitions can make hom act exactly like Angelus). So Angel inside is just as egotistic and impulsive as Angelus. Hes jus handling it better most of the time.
The whole point of his story in buffy season three was that there's too nuch toxicity and baggage between him and Buffy for him to be his best around her.
Mark 16:58. Hmm. When people say, "forced" in that context, is it meant to be the opposite of, "organic"? Because my brother and I were quite often forced to apologize when we didn't mean it! 😁
funny as the just don't get what happened to riley at the end at all, also yes angel always turns into a child around buffy
Spidey - “nope fuck em they were in my face too long” 🤣
I mean, Buffy did walk out of the room with Angel, but it was to yell at him - privately… lol it’s not like she was going to be all lovey- dovy with him while Riley’s just waiting on the other side of that door…. But yeah the smirk didn’t help riley relax lol
Anthony stewart hear (Giles) played Alfred in Gotham By Gaslight
Mark 12:50. Suraj! Because of the "spoiler policy" no one was allowed to tell you that your wish was granted and you just didn't know it yet! 😉
I'm with Mickey - the Tara and Willow relationship became official when Tara blew out the candle, saying she was with the person she loves. And then became "official official" when she told Buffy, and when Xander found out in this one. Before that, it was starting and building like any other relationship, just the show couldn't show the usual stuff, unfortunately, so they had to be creative.
I've never hear anyone referring to Riley as the "moral compass" of the show😊
Yeah that one made me double take. lol
John broke up the Beatles. Paul just made a comment about it to the general public.
I love petty angel honestly LOL. I wasn't the biggest fan of Buffy and Angel as a couple but I hated Riley more. Then angel grew on me when I watched his show. Riley just irks me, he doesn't trust buffy and he wont' even let her have a convo with her ex when she asks him? like fuck that dude.
i mean? riley aboslutely did let buffy have a convo with angel in private lmao. do you think a chip was forcing him to keep his word with "i'm not leaving this room" and then seeing buffy and angel leave the room and he simply asserted "nope, not moving a muscle"?
@@cchase1282 he would have looked utterly stupid following them around. They left because he didn't want them to have a private convo in buffy's room.
That ex just beat Riley up and was acting smug because Buffy wanted to talk to him. You really think anyone would allow their partner to go talk to that ex after that? Be for real.
@@ljoker3006 that was an accident it wasn't like he sent out to beat riley up be for real
@@frnknstndrgqn Doesn't matter lol that changes absolutely nothing. Riley has a right to be upset. Especially with Angel taunting him and smirking at him.
I think Angel was testing Riley to make sure he would be able to help Buffy fight, and Angel is not petty. Angellus is. Angel always has a bigger picture that he is moving in.
Riley Meets Angel. Everyone wanted this episode, and I mean EVERYONE! Not asn good as I had hoped, but it finally happened. FREAK'IN AWESOME!!!!! LOL
Mark 5:25? "Crime Bulle"?! 😁 CC subtitles, you're funny! 😅
aww where's chris? he's not allowed to be missing. he's my favorite. his reactions are the best!
Mark 9:50? Suraj! Why didn't you say, "Run, Forrest! Run!"? 😁
Sheesh, y'all need to pay more attention. Angel was ambushed, charged up, then attacked again lmao. Ofc he would be petty.
Angel ran headfirst into that fight with Riley. Instead of trying to defuse it, at all, he actually did everything he could to provoke it. They don't need to pay more attention here.
@@lkw7482 You defuse a situation when you're more level headed, not charged up on adrenaline and latent bloodlust after being ambushed.
@@RV-vx9ek Fair enough; I've never been in such a situation myself, but I suppose we've seen enough "heroes meet up and battle each other" situations to buy that it happens. But, as someone who actually does like Angel the character, I do feel disappointed in him here. I find him both petty and repulsive through at least the first 75% of his appearance in this episode, and solidly rooting for Riley against him.
(And also, I feel like The Normies take this show much more seriously at this point, and that, even if some of them feel compelled to wisecrack at times and if a line or two is missed in that large group environment, they [at least most of them] are getting what's going on and maybe get called out more often than is deserved at this point.)
Angel's appearance and role in the episode for the Thanksgiving crossover felt contrived and kinda pointless to me, but I didn't mind it here. I see where Micky is coming from about how Angel seemed out of character to him.
Drunk Giles is best Giles.
All the Riley love 😬
I watched this show when it aired on tv (a big fan from first watch) a lot of Buffy fans don't like him or forget about him all together 💁
Huh. I've never seen anyone, uh, take that view on this episode. I mean, both guys were being immature, but Riley accused Buffy of cheating on him. And then excused it by being all "you make me crazy". I mostly want Angel to beat him up a bit more........
Angel was a repugnant ass for the first 75% of his appearance in this episode. When he condescendingly, pettily spits out "You really think you can take me, boy?" and Riley replies, with pure sincerity and earnestness, "I surely do." - ? That moment really makes me love the character of Riley a bit. And I'm surprised that it's not noted more often.
Seriously, you haven't seen the angel series???, you have to see it, it's very good.
Mark 11:24. ASH's role in "Doctor Who" is in stark, ironic contrast to his "Rupert Giles" role! 😅
When "Angel" got canceled, the writers went on to use their story ideas in another vampire detective series! The star of that series then went on to star in the new "Hawaii 5-O"! James played a first season bad guy in it, and when the two guys eventually fought, I pretended that it was "Spike" and that other blond detective fighting to make it more fun! 👍
Unless I'm misremembering and that big fight was from the Los Angeles, California set series? Instead of our beloved blonde Buffy as the love interest, the blonde from an "L&O" series played it. 🤔
You need to watch Apocalypse Now before you watch the Finale for this season.The Cheese Man is Everywhere! LOL
Yesterday, Help , She Loves You, Pennylane, To name a few Beattles Songs All of them Classics!!! Spider I'm shocked!
Yoko didnt break up the Beatles. she just sped up the process
I think it was forced. This show never does well when outsiders force changes on it, and I have a feeling the networks forced a crossover of the main characters from each show to get more viewers to watch both. Ya, Angel seems out of character here, but I've always found Buffy's attitude over on Angel way more out of character for her. She wasn't just being petty, but she was intentionally out for blood, lying to Angel intentionally to inflict pain. I mean, when in the last few episodes has either Riley or Buffy shown any real trust in each other? This episode is as good of an example of how lacking in trust they are.
Other episodes that suffered from outside interference was the one with beer, where Buffy regresses to a cavewoman. They were forced to do an episode about how bad substance abuse was. Also, the third episode of season 3, with the boyfriend who beats his girlfriend to death, was forced to add that in to show how bad abusive relationships were.
It happens and the show suffers for it, but fortunately, the show is great despite these minor blips.
Mickey criticising anything after sitting there going "thats not him" for most of the episode....seriously.....he really annoys me, that whole shite about willow and tara's relationship. frankly hes making these things unwatchable hes so annoying. he needs to talk a lot less, talk over people less, and let other more interesting, and quite frankly smarter, people say more. As someone who watched the original airing, that relationship between tara and willow was solid 100% for a long time by this point, they were keeping it from the group not the audience.
Well instead of whining about someone's opinion, get off the channel and watch other Buffy reactors. Problem solved.
I’ve always thought that the “bloody hell” was in response to Xander just now realizing it. It happens right after Xander’s shock “Taras your girlfriend?!” - “bloody hell”.
I am happy to see the pro-Riley reaction.
I hope you're not serious about blaming Paul for the Beatles breaking up.
Right? Paul was the one who tried the most to keep them altogether!
yeah i may need to unyellowsub for that Beatles chat.
Vampire Willow was gay so the show was always hinting that.
_How does one watch _*_Angel_*_ reactions?!_
My cats name is spike mrkittyfantastico after Spike and the cat in this episode.
Don’t know the Beatles? You guys are so effing young.
I dont normally comment on these reactions but but I really felt the need to for this one.
At this point in the show Buffy and Riley have only been together for a few (4-5 based on the air dates) months.. Buffy is in no way required to tell Riley ALL of her past trauma. She told him what she was comfortable telling him at this point in the relationship. Plus part of the reason she told him about her relationship with Angel was due to him calling Willow "that king of girl" for dating Oz.
Not telling him every detail of her previous relationship isn't a reason to believe she cheated on him because she saw her ex. Or to try and stop her from having a private conversation.
And him using the "you just make me so crazy" excuse reminds me to much of controlling/abusive people for me to be ok with it.
Finally, does he REALLY think Buffy would take the risk of Angel losing his soul again?? Why would she do that!?!?
Okay, I think I got it all out my system.
Not having five by five and sanctuary from Angel on RUclips is quite lame especially cause the Angel buffy drama seep into this ep
Willow and tara never done anything before Oz left.
IMO they made a big mistake with the crossovers by making the hero look best on their own show. They should have reversed that. People who only watch one won’t understand the issues of the interloper, so will find them annoying. Fans of the other show will feel like their hero was mistreated. Best to keep the interloper simple, a paragon, who can play the straight man witnessing all the foibles of the main cast, that we will have the background of but they will not.
Severely out of Chracter? Which Angel show do you guys watch? Angel is ALWAYS a little petty. Also Riley isn't a innocent guy in this. He was also petty and agressive (understandable, but still).
Breaking up, because Buffy and Angel walked out of the room? How about breaking up because your boyfriend thinks you're cheated on him with your ex and ignores your wishes to give you space, because he doesn't trust you enough?
I always value your opinion and different views about the episodes, but this one was really strange, imo.
Yeah it was crazy to me when they said he should break up with her for walking out of the room with him lol
(Sigh) too bad you weren't able to watch 'Angel" tv series back to back.
Lol. Almost everyone forgot Forest died, including me because of his irritating, nonsensical traits.😊