When you use the wrong words to describe your work....you lose all credibility. Max deviation is flat f'ing wrong. If you shoot like you talk, your reviews are crap. Blow you nose and do not pop you lips when you talk. Horrible video.
I just did a LOT of shooting with my cousin this past weekend to test out the Ruger Precision Rimfire in 22lr and wanted to share a lot of data with everyone. These are 5 shot groups at 50 yards measured in inches center to center. The wind was light. The temp was about 64. A group size with a * means a flyer was observed and counted in the measurement Your results may vary. Enjoy! Eley Club 0.36 Eley Edge 0.387 CCI Standard 0.421 CCI Mini mag 0.457 CCI SGB 0.503* RWS Rifle Match 0.581 SK Pistol Match 0.591 CCI Velocitor 0.598 RWS Target Rifle 0.639 Eley Practice 0.64 Gemtech Silencer 0.677 Federal Gold Medal Match 0.691 CCI Stinger 0.703 * Agulia Pistol Match 0.715 Agulia Super Extra 0.726 Agulia Super Extra 0.735 Fiocchi Performance 0.747 Agulia Target Competition 0.75 Winchester Super Suppressed 0.773 wolf match 0.803 Remington Thunderbolt 0.806 Eley High Velocity 0.833 Federal Hunter Match 0.864 Federal Champion 0.881 * Federal Gold Medal Target 0.882 Federal HV Match 0.928 Eley Target 0.975 * CCI Green Tag 1.056* Agulia Sniper Subsonic 1.182 Magtech Standard 1.191 Federal Auto Match 1.193 Winchester Subsonic 1.202 SK Standard Plus 1.221 Armscor Gold color hollow 1.29 Winchester M22 1.303 CCI Select 1.331 SK Rifle Match 1.347 Geco Rifle 1.454 CCI Mini mag 1.467 Federal Black Pack 1.48 Federal Field & Range 1.487 Remington Viper 1.498 Eley Subsonic 1.507 * CCI copper 1.654 Armscor Copper color hollow 1.727 CCI Segmented 1.842 Winchester Varmint HE 1.864 RWS Subsonic 1.905 Remington Yellow jacket 2.237
You put in a lot of work! A bit of advice from a scientist, limit your results to 2 digits after the decimal . I sincerely doubt that you can measure to the thousanths of an inch of the separation between 2 holes with indistinct centers.
You keep saying that you wouldn't want to shoot a subsonic beyond 50 yds. Actually, you will find that subsonic is MUCH more accurate at long range in a .22LR. When you shoot a lightweight bullet at 1200fps, it very quickly drops below the speed of sound. It goes trans sonic somewhere from 40-70 yds, usually. As it dips below the speed of sound, the pattern of the shockwaves change, and the bullet is destabilized. Once it is destabilized at 40-70 yards, it has the rest of it's flight time to wander all over the place. This is why you might see great groups at 50 from a supersonic, but crappy groups at 100. If you use a subsonic, it never goes trans sonic. OK, there is more drop, but you get yourself a 20-30MOA scope base, and you are fine out beyond 300. Yes, the bullet lands on the target like a mortar, but it's consistent and predictable.
No you're absolutely right. Since this i've taken all the best to 200 and beyond and eley force will shoot up to 1/2 moa at 200. That was something i didn't really know about how supersonic 22 rounds are easily destabilized through the transonic barrier. Like you said, its basically coming straight down but its coming straight down consistently. I can shoot force out to 350 and not run out of dope on the scope. the rprf has a 30 moa base plus the reticle has 36 more MOA of elevation. Interesting stuff.
Joel Curtin spot on the issue with hv at range is they all drop below super sonic around 76ish yards.. when the fall back below super sonic they get pushed off target. All long range 22 shooters is std velocity heavy for caliber rounds and elevate their scope to make up for drop.
Fish R Relaxing I was shooting Eley Tenex, but I’m running out, and they are going for crazy money. For now, I’m switching to SK Long Range. The standard deviation is better on the Tenex (5.4 vs 7.5), but the SK is half the price.
Joel Curtin yes but your rail better have a lot of MOA at least 30 at the elevation adjustment or your rings are shimed up quite a bit but you are right high velocity and supersonic stuff is real accurate over a hundred yards I've seen some people shooting at 500 yards
One of THE BEST 22lr ammo comparison videos I've ever seen. Subbed. Cant understand how you only have 1.4k subs ??? Your dedication to detail & thoroughness is to be applauded. 👏👏
Love your presentation showing the groups after the fact without putting the viewer through every shot! Your summaries are perfect info. To make a decision for the viewer.
Today first shot with my RPR . 25m CCI Tatget st.velo. 40gr 1070fps --> 0.95cm group good! & Norma Target sucked spread and highright : cleaned out barrel in between 50rounds CCI then 30rounds NORMA ..... thx for the review guided me to my the first ammo for this rifle. NoRMA was mot on my list - a giveaway from the store.... but good to see similar results !
Man, I love your documentation, time and $ you spent on this. Thank you. Seems .22 rifles are notorious for being ammo sensitive. I prefer subsonic and suppressed so no earplugs. My son just went two/ten at a 20 gauge empty shotgun shell at 115 yds. Shooting from prone, Savage MKII, BSA Glass, and CCI standard subsonic. Winds were from 0 to 10 and changing directions. Went 5/5 on 6” gong at 200. Ran out of adjustment and was just using holdover (no dots or lines), so I am proud of it.
Thanks for watching and the input! i've been doing it for quite some time now ant it really is amazing how much of a difference it makes. Temperature too. Gotta love long range shooting with 22 for sure. i had a few of mine out to 450 the other day using cci std vel and still have a little left in the reticle.
Nice summary. Norma TAC22 shoots very well in my RPR rifles. 8/10" 5 shot group at 100 yds. You have to clean the barrel and shoot a bunch of the Norma to acclimate the barrel to the waxy lube. It's that way with any of the bullets that have the soft lube.
I second Roland. My RPRR loves the TAC22's. I got a .76 group at 50 with them and they performed well last weekend out to 200 yards at a rimfire PRS comp. May be that gun to gun they like different rounds, but I'd definitely try this ammo in your RPRR.
Yes I know it's a little expensive but buy 50 of whatever you can get your hands on. That's the best way so you don't have a ton of left over ammo your rifle doesn't like and a lot of it is expensive. Having said that my last two have liked most types of eley just fyi
When you get right at the point of breaking the sound barrier then you start having group problems. Thats why the PMC at 910 FPS shot a good group, you gun barrel twist rate and the slower FPS works very well together. Once you get to around 1130 fps and above its a different story most of the time.
@@coreyd1474Can you post a video where it’s been debunked? I’m not trying to argue with you on this I just recently got into shooting 22LR and I’ve heard of this transonic stage
i would love to but i don't think you can post links. look up mark and sam after work. hes an assie that shoots extreme long range and he has a great video address things that fudds usually talk about like scope over bore height and transonic 22 destabilization. all comes down to who you going to listen to. some fudd on the internet who says his thunderbolts don't shoot well at 300 yards because transonic magic or a guy who consistently shoots 22's at 1000 yards with super sonic ammo. @@Blackhawk556.
A suggestion for these types of accuracy videos. When you are shooting 10 round groups, I would allow for operator or environmental (wind) error at least once. (I'm a mathemetician, throw out the best and worst, average the rest. I'm willing to live with leaving the best in since it would often be hard to pick out.) Throw out the worst flyer and post the results for a 9 round group. The CCI Standard for example would have been MUCH better. Good Video! I like this kind of information.
Never throw out hits! Wind, flyier... doesn’t matter in a comp they count every round. You as a responsible shooter are responsible for every round you send down range.. this is why ammo testing and load testing is done for every specifics setup. Don’t discount a bad shot it’s part of the group.
to be fair then. he would have to clean the rifle the exact same way every time and then allow the same number of flowing shots, along with 10 targets and pull out of the same box of 500 at random. then go to a indoor range as to cut out some X factors i guess strap the gun down as to reduce more X . but to say (X-brand) shoots the best is somewhat not fair as 22 rifles can be a bit picky. if one had suck time they could make a killer video.
@@coady-wp3xf such time and they key word there is "MONEY" LOL! if you're bored i narrowed it down to a few that did well and compared it against my 10/22. a little bit better info in there. i allowed for fouling rounds, so on. Thanks for the input.
WOW, you really went all out, you sir are excellent ! I subscribed just because of stumbling across this video. You showed facts not fiction and constantley stated "for your rifle on the day" well done and I can't wait to see more. Personally I shoot 300 win mag long range and 308win beyond what most would. You made me pull my .22 out of the safe and be excited !!
Your dedication to comparing several different manufacturers and loads for the 22lr should be commended. It’s time consuming and NOT cheap to this comparison of the results in your rifle. Anyone that has a 22lr would be doing themselves a huge favor by doing this type of comparison for themselves. Every rifle is different and the 22lr specifically is probably more particular to certain ammo. If someone were to just pick up a random ammo for their 22lr and maybe has bad results at the range may think their rifle isn’t any good. Finding the ammo that your rifle likes is crucial to being happy with your ability to hit what you’re aiming at. Thanks for sharing your experience at finding out what YOUR rifle likes. 😊
@@coreyd1474 Most definitely. Good thing you did it before everything went crazy. Buying that much ammo is pretty hard on the bank account. It’s still a pretty good deal compared to 5.56 or 308 though. Keep up the good work. I’m gonna subscribe to your channel 👍
Love the video and extremely thorough comparison. I’m surprised you didn’t try anything from Eley or the Federal Ultra Match but I understand trying to keep the cost down as low as possible. I tested 7 different ammos in my RPRR and found that it liked the Eley Tenex, Federal Ultra Match and Eley Edge best in that order. The CCI 40 gr standard velocity was a close match as well until I went out to 100 yds. That’s when the Tenex really separates itself from the others. Great video!
You'll have to check out the second part, I did several Eley types. I actually went ahead and bought 1000 force because it shot well. shot very well out to 350 i was getting .5 MOA groups with it at 200. Eley target shot super well too i'll get some more of that when it gets warm.Thanks for watching!
Thank you for your sacrifice spending $17.99 on a box of 22 ammo just to inform the masses! Seriously awesome, informative video. Manufacturers of 22lr ammo must really hate RUclips lol. Good shopping and wise purchases have never been so easy thanks to folks doing stuff like this.
The SK and the Wolf are exactly the same ammo. They just change the outer box. The yellow SK is the Wolf Target and the Red box is the Wolf Match. You will get an occasional flyer out of both. Seems to be about 2 or 3 a box. The Lapua pistol king has a faster burning powder to get higher velocity out of pistol length barrels. The pistol loads tend to get really good standard deviations because all the powder gets burnt in a rifle barrel. They are kind of an "insider's secret" to getting match grade ammo a little less expensive. Works best in bolt guns because it burns hot and quick.
Thanks for the input! i have been out with the wolf a few times since then and it shoots very well. So does pistol king. but so far eley force has been the best out to 350 yards. Thanks for watching!
I've got the same RPR w/bipod & monopod, & most (~90%) of those same ammo types for trials .. it'll be interesting to see how we compare. I've watched twice but never heard you say what distance you ran your tests at. 50 or 100 yds?
@@acerlazereye1232 its at 50. i ended up ordering a bunch of eley force and it is awesome out to 350. i was able to get 1/2 moa groups at 200. surprised the shit out of me. thanks for watching thought!
Agree with your info...the other wolf match extra around 70 bucks per brick last i read is made in England by Eley. My gun likes the cheaper Wolf better.
@@j.l.8000 i think the MT is made in germany by lapua but i could be wrong. doesn't really matter. it doesn't shoot that well for me. especially past 50 yards.
What makes ammo get good groups is the fit to the barrel, imparting the twist by proper fit from the lands and grooves stabilizing the bullet in flight . This is why some ammo seems to work better than others in certain barrels for no reason, it has to do with the fit of a particular ammo . If the bullet is a little loose it doesn't get the right amount of twist to stabilize in flight , this is why a Guy will say " I only run a certain brand and type of ammo in my rifle. Check Each bullet width with a gauge to see what variation are present and which are more accurate in your rifle.
Man...your video packs a punch...most ammo reviews shows the person load, shoot, reload...pause repeat.... Your style should be the standard...thanks! 👍🏻
Awesome job sir... This vid will save a lot of money from people buying .22!! Project Appleseed, I'm involved it this organization. This is perfect for us instructors to see...
@@jross13450 i've since replaced the barrel with an er shaw barrel. still shoots federal white box and eley target well. eley target is right at 1 moa at 100
Wow I'm so glad you made this video. I've been looking at other 22lr ammo videos trying to figure out what ammo is best for my rifle. I have the same rifle I use for hunting. You also went through a very sufficient variety of ammunition others fail to go through. I now will be buying Aguila super extra 40 grain, fiocchi and cci standard velocity. Thank you.
One of the best rimfire ammo comparisons on RUclips, I just ordered 15 boxes of auto match today my gun loves them too .... it also hates that thunderbolt garbage
@@coreyd1474 well the rest of the story is he said they shoot good out of his wife's gun and there were only like 2 or 3 different. 22 ammo to choose from
Part 1 (good video) Question; did you clean your barrel between your changing of ammo's - or did you acclimate your barrel with the next round of testing each ammo? Overall, you certainly put a lot of work into this, and thank you!!! Oh,,, .22lr Subsonic ammo is far more accurate at long range over the high velocity stuff - do to the no transition wobble from super sonic to subsonic...
so this was when i was just starting to get in to 22 so i wasn't as familiar with fowling and all that so in this video i just moved from one to the next. no fowling or cleaning. As far as sub/super i have noticed no tumbling with any supersonic round out to 450
@@coreyd1474 Try the Norma again and just shoot the whole box. 10 rounds usually for seasoning the barrel but I can shoot a lot and I care about accuracy after lots of shooting.
Nice review, my rprf doesn’t shoot very well, I have a marlin 795 that shoots tight groups with almost every ammo except the 60gr aguila and hyper fast ammo, pretty disappointed in my rprf, and I’ve tried 15-20 different types of ammo with it.
A barrel swap would be a more cost effective route if you like the Ruger as there are a host of high-end barrel manufacturers that make all types of different barrels for the kit....if you like that chassis type configuration.
@@oldschool9932 To be honest with you it shoots a few types of ammo so well i'm not going to bother with it. maybe after a while if i notice significant accuracy degradation. what's the price on most of those barrels? just curious.
@@Mrjohnboy1965 honestly the only reason I put it on there is because it was laying around. I think it's a surefire pro comp but I took it off and put an actual 22 device on it from madmacs tactical. Doesn't seem to affect accuracy but it reduces recoil even tho 22 doesn't have much to begin with lol
I just found your channel as I acquired a RPR. This video series was so helpful in allowing me to save so much time on ammo testing. I went straight to testing Eley, SK, and CCI. I can say that the CCI, SK match. and Eley club performed amazing! Subbed.
Awesome! glad i could help that was kind of the point when i figured i would make the video. can never go wrong with cci in pretty much anything it always performs OK at worst.
At the time you did this video I did a similar ammo test for my RPRR at 50 and 100 yds (w/ about half the ammo). I came up with the exact same conclusion with Federal Target! Man, I doubted myself because it was cheap bulk ammo. Thanks for making my test legit.
@@coreyd1474 No, but then again I can’t find much of anything under .15cpr anymore. I’m living off my hoard of CCI SV (100yds) and Aquila blue box (50yds). I miss those prices you mention in the video.
Didn't catch what distance you shot these at. Have you tried the CCI Copper? Lead free is required in CA for all hunting now. It's ok at 50 yards but terrible at 100.
Thank you CCI for the think customer attitude and filling the lead free nitch but this laments the fact that Kalifornia can and will screw up anything and everything. "The two infinites.... the universe and human stupidity" Albert Einstein.
@@oldschool9932 I read somewhere that you have to replace the a2 device on ar style rifles with a compensator in kalifornia LOL that's how stupid they are. But get ready for kalifornia politics to come to the white House unfortunately 😔
Federal Target Grade 40g works the best in my RPR too! Thanks for the confirmation and info. I also have the same issues with the junk ammo as noted. What was the distance for the test?
mine doesn't shoot it the best but as far as price/accuracy/availability its a winner hands down. mine after much more testing and more than 10 shot groups shoots eley target the best at 50 and eley force 50 to beyond 300. All these groups were at 50 yards BTW. Thanks for watching.
I like the Federal target grade $18.99 per 325, they are a clean and reliable round for a great price (around these parts) but my favorite (not even in your video) are the (Walmart exclusive) Federal red box (fed reds) @ $19.94 per 550, you just cant beat this price per the amount of rounds, these actually look polished! 36gr. copper plated h/p 1260 fps and any copper plated bullet helps prevent fouling in the barrel after the round is fired! I like these not so much for my Ruger 10/22 rifle but my Ruger SR-22 handgun, it eats anything I put in it but I like these two rounds for the reasons mentioned. I can remember when the Thunderbolts ruled (pricewise) the market even as dirty and unreliable as they are but now you pay an extra $10 to spend an extra 10 minutes washing your hands when you get back from the range! Awesome video, thanks for showing the differences in these loads!
I totally agree. White box federal price/availability/accuracy they're hands down the best. my only gripe about bullets going as fast as you said the red feds are going is 22 doesn't handle the transonic face well so thats why you don't get the accuracy out to distance as you would something in the sweet spot around 1090 or so. Anyway, thanks for the input and thanks for watching!
@@coreyd1474 when it comes to hunting (squirrel) where distance plays into it, I haven't really had any instances that comes to mind where I have taken a shot out far enough to see that discrepancy that I wasn't totally willing to put on me (usually the 2nd shot does the trick) not the ammo, and as for my pistol I'm only shooting 15' out to maybe 45' where that wouldn't even come into play, or at least I haven't noticed, shooting AR 500 and they go clank every time...lol . that's probably why I haven't noticed what you pointed out...thanks for the info....one thing I can say is that with my Crosman TR-77 air rifle .177 using PBA pellets I'm going sonic because I can hear the crack and it sounds like a 22! and I get good...(ok decent) accuracy with them out to 25 yds.
@@Frank-uf2vn yea for game the faster the better totally. i know people get alll worked up about shooting stingers out of the rprf but i've shot almost 100 with no issue. thats a screaming load. bad thing about those is you have to wear hearing pro.
Cory, thanks. One thing I did is hand lap the barrel with J&B from brownells and break it in textbook. I got an s-load of debri on the first patch....I get five shot same hole groups at 25. 1/2” at 50. Good optic and bag.
My buddy and I have been using Federal automatch 22lr in his Ruger precision per your vids recommendation, and have been yeilding extremely good results 1000 rds later
Right? hard to beat for the price! at least it was i haven't looked for it in quite some time due to the fact i can't shoot supersonic ammo where i am now.
I'm in my 60s and at one time back in the 1980s PMC ammo was a common Eco-brand. I have found that PMC Target is very accurate from Ruger Mark IIs as well. I'm talking .25" diameter , not ctc, 10 shot groups at 44 feet (length of my basement range) from a sandbag rest. If you can find it, buy it.
It's interesting that you can tell immediately when the video was shot by the price of the ammo. As soon as I heard $2.99 for a box of .22LR I knew it was pre-covid.
@@coreyd1474 Yep, I still remember paying $9.50 for 100 rounds of CCI mini-mag and thinking I was being stupid. I remember getting 500 rounds of Armscore 40 grain, standard velocity (plinking ammo) for $20. In fact, I'm still plinking for 4 cents per shot, while others are paying 20 cents for the same thrill. It's never going to be anywhere what it was before 2020. You can horde what you bought, or just enjoy the fact that you can afford to shoot.
Hey dude. Thanks for the info. I just recently got a RPRR and I love it. I've been trying to find good ammo for it and this video helps me alot.. greatly appreciated. Hope all is well ✌🏻
I purchased the Remington Target ammo because it was on sale from Midway, and you had a decent review/results on your testing. Due to poorish eyesight and an old Simmons scope I only shot my new 10/22 rebuild at 25 yards. I achieved consistant sub-1" groupings with zero fly aways. Thanks for the review.
they've worked well out of my of my 22s but to be honest man i haven't tried to find them since probably this video i'm sure they went the way of cci standard velocity.
Funny how different .22 rifles like different ammunitions. My CZ 455 loves the Norma TAC and Norma Match (1/2" groups at 50 and 1" groups at 100yds) and when suppressed the Aguila SV. Another good, cheap ammo is the CCI standard velocity target ammo. Good video dude, lot of work. Thanks for sharing. BTW, don't refrain from pushing that ammo on out to 200 yards, even the sub sonic stuff.
I'd like to confirm my Precision Rimfire also loves the federal white box. Which is great because my 10/22 Target does too! Both right around 1moa on a calm day
Thanks for your time in doing this. Need to find your second video and do some shopping. I have been through CCI and wasn’t seeing the consistency I was looking for out of my RPR, especially after I stretched it past 50yds. Last 1,000 rounds have been of Aquila which I was happy staying with until seeing finding your video which is going to cause me to pick up a couple of other brands to try. My club has a max 100yd range but now that my buddy is harvesting I am hoping set of steel out and get some real distance.
My current preferred 22lr at 50 and 100 yards is SK Long Range AFTER I have used a Neal Waltz resizing die on the ammo. The die does two things that I identify as improving the precision (no, I have no targets to demonstrate). One, resizing ensures that for 360 degrees the 22lr driving rings are a consistent 0,225 in., and two, that the rings are 0.225 in. to ensure positive contact with the rifling grooves. Someone noted in the comments "remove the wax" from the SK 22lr ammo. SK does not use a wax lube; a light oil is used as with all German manufactured 22lr's that I have experience with. CCI and Eley 22lr use a wax
Great video. I have been testing ammo in my new CZ 457. I watched a lot of videos and did some research on how people test ammo. A common theme I saw is shooting foulers to season the barrel before shooting groups. Different brands have different lubes and people shoot foulers so the barrel gets fully coated with the new lubricant. During my testing I definitely noticed my groups tightening up by the 10th round. For my tests, I pull a bore snake (with the brush removed), then I shoot 20 foulers, followed by six 5-shot groups. I use the best 5 groups for my average group size. Pulling the bore snake is not necessary but I am shooting suppressed so my barrel gets very dirty, very fast. I do consider shooting the foulers necessary. 10 rounds is probably enough but I shoot 20 just get the most accurate data possible. I realize I shot a lot more ammo to conduct my test. If you do not want to shoot an entire box, I would recommend shooting 10 foulers then three 5 shot groups. I really prefer my way though and choosing the best 5 of 6, 5-shot groups. This way I can eliminate one group where either the wind, the ammo, or myself caused a flier. Just wanted to share how I have been conducting my tests to give you some ideas...
depending what kind of am mo you're going from and going to 10 is probably too many, 5 at most will suffice with like ammo (sk, lapua, eley, ect) but for non coated stuff yea i agree. 10 at least.
@@coreyd1474 I agree, but i want a standard way to test all my ammo. I don't want to change my testing methods for certain brands. 20 foulers on every type of ammo can definitely be considered "overkill", but it guarantees that the barrel is fouled in before I shoot my groups. I shot eley match, target, club, and subsonic hollow all back to back. You're right, I didn't need many foulers between them at all. But my first 5 shot fouler group of eley match (after shooting a different brand) was 1.5" at 50yds. Next 5 was 3/4", and after that, they were ~.5". I just wanted a uniform way to test everything, and 20 foulers, plus 6 5-shot groups, uses all 50 rounds.
There was a time when I would buy any 22 I could find. I tested myself, loved federal target, still have a bunch of Winchester and Remington crap Winchester bulk about the worst, but I was happy to get it at the time.
I just bought a .22 western style replica pistol, and I was wondering what to shoot through it. This video was very well done, it was very informative with the wind conditions and all, and the honest opinions were very welcomed. Corey I subscribed to you because of this video! Thanks, I learned a lot from part 1 and 2. Job very well done!
since i've replaced the barrel i'm definitely going to get another batch of standard velocity. also have a custom 10/22 i've almost got done. going to do a comparison video of the two. thanks for watching.
Late to the party but great review. Interesting that you found the Norma stuff to be inconsistent. I usually use CCI subsonic is my RPR which runs a Wildcat Predator 12 suppressor and is almost silent, the thing is sub 1/2" groups but today i was using Norma subsonic and the groups were like buckshot out of an unchoked 12g. Super inconsistent and each shot sounded different too as if the powder loads were varying.
i have never had any flafor of norma shoot well out of any thing i've tested it in. in all my shooting and testing if found stick to cci std vel, any type of sk, or cx and you'll be ok.
Unless you have a small bore match competition rifle ie. Anschutz, Walther, Feinwerbau etc, it is nor worth to try the highest end ammo like Eley Tenex or Lapua Midas. The ammo is optimized for 50 meters and is good for 100 meters but they produce the best results in match bolt action rifles that have a special tight chamber that engages the bullet into the rifling. The 22lr headspaces on the rim and one way to secure the most consistent ammo is to segregate it measuring the thickness of the rim (Champion Shooters Supply sells a gauge for about $5) thus insuring all cartridges have the same head space. Not important in a regular 22 but it is in a $4000.00 competition rifle if one is shooting for points in competition against small bore specialists with the same rifles and ammo. I have an Olympic match Anschutz that can shoot 1/4" from the bench with Eley, Lapua or SK at 50 meters and less than an inch at 100 meters but it has a 100 gram (3 oz) trigger with the lowest lock time possible and a 27 inch bull barrel and weighs 14 pounds. Accurate Shooter website has an article of 75 brands tested with a match rifle at 50, 75 and 100 yards with the results from best to worse. Interesting stuff. If you can match your rifle to the ammo it really likes, your golden and it seems you rifle can shoot several brands very well.
Great job! This is a well-organized and thorough review. Most of your results mirror what I saw with my RPRimfire when it still wore its factory barrel. The only exceptions being that I have not seen a gun group Federal Automatch well in many, many years, (guys in my gun club laughingly refer to it as "automiss"), and that Lapua Midas+ wasn't quite as tight from my gun. Mine also did not like Aguila Super Extra high velocity nearly as much as yours does. I was not fully satisfied with the accuracy from my rifle, so I picked up a Green Mountain fluted and threaded 16" barrel. Not only does it cut my groups by half with almost every ammunition I have tried, it also reduced the obscenely barrel-heavy nature of the rifle. It's a lot easier to lug around, and more importantly, balances reasonably well offhand. It shoots cheap Aguila Super Extra standard velocity into the high 0.3" to mid 0.4" range, and Midas + into the low 0.3" range. The difference is more pronounced at 100 yards, but given the price difference, I'm perfectly happy to hit dime-sized targets at 50 yards for 4 cents a pop. These rifles are definitely not well-suited to benched shooting anyway.
I should add that Lapua Center-X shoots almost identically to Midas Plus in all my rimfires, and it's a bit cheaper too. It's my go-to load in several of my rifles even including match participation. Pretty much every target gun I own prefers either Eley Club or Lapua Center-X. Eley Tenex has simply not performed well for me despite being the winningest rimfire ammo in the world. Maybe guns need to specifically have a chamber cut for the EPS bullet to make good use of it.
i go to center x or cci standard velocity. 9/10 when i have it on a chrono it out performs every type of ammo. cci standard velocity that is. most time the sd is in the single digits.
I just bought a bunch of ammo to mix into my collection- yours is a good idea. From here going forward I will know what I have. Some of my stuff is at least ten years old. I know, I need to shoot more!
@@kirkjohnson9353 I'm right there with you. I know I have stuff that is over 12 years old, I have had it since before my son was born, i have a pretty decent stockpile. Gonna start shooting everything without a date on it. Then buy the same amount I shot to replace it and put a date on it.
@@coreyd1474 most modern powders are double base. If stored properly, cool dry place, they will be good for decades. However powders do degrade slowly over time. So while old ammo may function just fine it may lose velocity, consistency, and thus accuracy with age. So i put dates on my ammo and shoot the oldest ammo first to keep the freshest ammo available. You could try to look up and decode lot numbers on boxes, but its a royal pain. Writing the purchase date on the box is simple and easy.
funny you're the second person today to talk about automatch lol its definitely good stuff especially at the price it was in this video. i haven't looked for it for quite some time but i'm sure its hard to find.
The effort here was great. I just can’t take these results as final for determining what type of ammo I should buy because I got different results with Norma tac 22 and CCI standard velocity. I managed to get a 5 shot group of 0.17” at fifty yards with CCI sv out of my Ruger precision rim fire Norma shot better than what you got as well I get it. Every rifle is different so buy each and see which one your rifle likes.
this isn't an end all be all. just a guide more or less for shooters just getting in to the sport that i can maybe help them narrow down their choices.
Great video gave me some good info on what to feed my Ruger Precision .22R ,only thing that puzzles me is the Norma TAC22 ammo in my custom rifle I built its a Brownells BRN-22 receiver with a TAC SOL barrel bedded in a Boyds stock , Nikon P Tactical 2-7 with Norma TAC it shoots .71 at 50yds -
Thanks for the time and the video, good start for comparison and price, as we know every every rifle has a favorite round that works best for it. For the performance and cost my CZ457 does well with the 40gr CCI mini mag. It also likes the Eley Tenex but it is cost prohibitive. Stick to one only brand and practice.
Cory, the suppressor changed the POI by 3MOA low @ 25 yards. Windage did not change. Once re zeroed all the data at 50, 75 and 100 remained unchanged. Did not get crono data that day. Next time.
Very helpful video. I just bought my first .22, a lever action Henry youth model for my girls. Im taking them shooting this weekend, I will use this video to buy my ammo.
Oh no! Federal bulk shot that bad out of your Ruger. I am shocked. Out of my 32 year old Bruno I have attained groups around the one inch, a little over a couple under at 100 meter from the bench. The scope on it is a Simmons 4-14 x 40. I had to remove the rear sight to fit that scope. Blazer also shoots well as do Federal solids. I guess i need to see what some of the more expensive rounds shoot like.
that's a lot of info. thanks for doing all the leg work. I have a bunch of the auto match laying around, that's what I run through my 10/22. When I bought my rprr I bought a bunch of standard velocity, because that's what a bunch of others said was the best value-to accuracy. This makes me pretty excited about trying some of the federal.
Cory, I shoot 25-100 yard using the PRS 22 targets and their stages. Happy with the Federal Target. Just bought a suppressor and will be retesting....good testing job! I did something like it but with a smaller selection. Also used a couple of 10/22’s and while the groups were larger the results were the same on what is most accurate.
yea normally i wouldn't have time to do something this large but since the government was shutdown for 38 days i had a little time on my hands LOL. eley force was the best for me at 50 after sever rounds of testing the best ammo out of the bunch. eley force has proved the best for me out to 350. I'd be curious if the suppressor changes your POI at all with a 22.
Great video! Its crazy how off of target you can be just with different ammo. I went shooting the other day out of my Ruger 10/22 with iron sights, tried 3 different loads at 25yds. Herters, CCI Stingers, and Agulia super extra. Herters was all over the place lol, Agulia was nice and tight, and Stingers was shooting high, but tight groups. Agulia even had a certain smell that was different from the other loads when fired. The Stingers definitely had a little extra kick at the muzzle. I just got my 10/22 last week so I'm just figuring out what it likes to eat. I haven't tried the Federal automatch yet, but I do have a box of it. Good shooting 👏 by the way.
yea it is crazy how much of a difference it makes. fowling also plays a large part in accuracy. from all the testing i've done it seems to be around 10-20 rounds depending on the ammo for the barrel to get conditioned.
Thanks for going to so much trouble and expense to test all these different kinds of ammunition and provide an overview of so many results. Kudos. I realize this video is four years old now and from your description it sounds like you have made a number of upgrades since that time. I don’t mean to be critical, although this is a critical comment, referring to the equipment in this video I’m afraid your rifle is just not very accurate. Hopefully with the upgrades you described you found better accuracy with a number of different kinds of ammunition.
hard to hate on the rprf for what it costs IMO. it's an entry level rifle for people looking to get in to the prs/nrl sport and i think it is a pretty darn good one.
Thanks for putting up this great content. You really put some time in to this comparison. Your channel deserves many more subscribers, you just got one more👍😊
So many small variables, when it comes to the optimum ammo, in .22. I think one of the main factors is, how the diameter of the bullet matches with the diameter of your bore. Once you do find the optimum diameter for your bore, the consistency of that bullet diameter is gonna play a huge role in accuracy. You will also find that once your barrel is seated with a specific bullet diameter, it will keep getting more accurate, with each subsequent shot. Example: If I'm shooting the same ammo, all day, on a given day, I won't clean the bore of my rifle, UNTIL I start to see accuracy issues. What I'm saying is... Shots 40-50 will be more accurate than shots 1-10. Try it. I think you will like the results. Great test, by the way. Thanks for your time.
yep i agree. lucky for me i think eley target and eley force are the best fit for this barrel. groups are considerably smaller with those two. also i agree with you on the cleaning. i run a bore snake through it every now and then but i've also shot it about 4000 times. I've got most of this ammo back out at least once and some several times. results are pretty much the same minus a few. the SK brands shot a little better than the original test. As you can imagine its tough to find time to shoot this much ammo for more than a 10 shot group LOL. anyway, thanks for watching and thanks for the input.
@Jeff Rasberry with federal white box? what kind of barrel are you running? i was thinking of getting a shaw or green mountain barrel maybe at some point down the road.
That's crazy that the Remington thunderbolt was so bad in your rifle. I've never had any bad results from that ammo. But with that being said I just picked up a Ruger precision and have not ran any through yet. It'll be interesting to see the results.
thunderbolt shoots like trash through any rifle i own but it doesn't really bother me. its cheap, works well out of auto loads and you can find it anywhere.
Exact same situation here. I pretty much exclusively use Thunderbolt in my M&P 15-22 as it has the least issues with magazine feeds, where I'm often running rounds through pretty quickly at ~25 yards. For a change of pace, I just picked up a Ruger Precision and was planning on trying out some other ammo types at longer ranges. This video is fantastic!
Just for your interests sake: subsonics are more capable of shooting long distance groups than supersonic ammo, as it doesn’t slow through the transonic stage and become unstable. All the high end 22 ammo is subsonic for that reason- albeit just a hair under supersonic to maximize the useful velocity. I’ve shot subsonics accurately out to 380 yards
i have been using subsonic ammo for quite some time now but i have to say i think the destabilization deal is a myth. i've shot a ton of steel at 4-500 yards and have not once seen a bullet impact that was not stabilized. i'm sure it has to do a great deal with how the bullet is shaped but anything super i've ever used i've never noticed any tumbling.
Thunderbolt rounds are great for plinking using semi autos. I use them for my semi autos and work fine. I can shoot 1 inch groups at 100 yards with my target rifle. I have shot MOA at 100 yards with the Thunderbolt rounds.
i agree. i'll give them another swing since i've put the ER shaw barrel on this thing and also got my custom 10/22 finally done. worst cause they don't shoot well just shoot some beer cans with them LOL
I appreciate your work and generosity. I applaud your experimental rigor and attention to detail, but all this information could have been presented in a single table.
Late comer to comments...Great comparison. My personal experience with the Federal Automatch(Walmart purchase) has been less than ideal. Out of several different firearms, have had approximately 8-10% 'duds'. Good pin strikes on the rims but failure to fire. Not sure if a Walmart issue and their storage conditions or a Federal issue and just a bad lot. Your testing may get me to buy some more(but not at Walmart). The CCI standard target velocity has been a fantastic all around ammo for our youth shooting sports groups(Smallbore pistol and rifle, Western Heritage) Thanks-
better late than never! i'm sure with the automatch just like anything post 2020 the quality has gone down and the price has gone up. to be honest im not ever sure i've shot it recently just get a few bricks or so everytime i see it on the shelf to avoid not having any in the next shortage.
Big thanks for this video! I just traded in a Savage Mark II for a Ruger Precision Rimfire and was dreading the inevitable hunt for the perfect round. Fortunately I already had some Aguila Super Extras and they shot great. If I do my part I can do 0.4" at 50 yds and 1.2" at 100 yds with them. I doubt I'll even bother trying anything else since these are so accurate and some of the cheapest rounds available.
My Bruno at 100 meters calm day w/ federal 525 pack 1.25" Fed solids 1.5" Yes I have my bad days too when I decided to free float the barrel. Now it needs a bedding job done on it. I love the Bruno! Yes it's a .22 LR.
Wow dude, you put a lot of work into that for us. Good research, thank you sir!
i wouldn't consider it work when you get to shoot LOL thanks for watching!
When you use the wrong words to describe your work....you lose all credibility. Max deviation is flat f'ing wrong.
If you shoot like you talk, your reviews are crap. Blow you nose and do not pop you lips when you talk. Horrible video.
I just did a LOT of shooting with my cousin this past weekend to test out the Ruger Precision Rimfire in 22lr and wanted to share a lot of data with everyone. These are 5 shot groups at 50 yards measured in inches center to center. The wind was light. The temp was about 64.
A group size with a * means a flyer was observed and counted in the measurement
Your results may vary. Enjoy!
Eley Club 0.36
Eley Edge 0.387
CCI Standard 0.421
CCI Mini mag 0.457
CCI SGB 0.503*
RWS Rifle Match 0.581
SK Pistol Match 0.591
CCI Velocitor 0.598
RWS Target Rifle 0.639
Eley Practice 0.64
Gemtech Silencer 0.677
Federal Gold Medal Match 0.691
CCI Stinger 0.703
*
Agulia Pistol Match 0.715
Agulia Super Extra 0.726
Agulia Super Extra 0.735
Fiocchi Performance 0.747
Agulia Target Competition 0.75
Winchester Super Suppressed 0.773
wolf match 0.803
Remington Thunderbolt 0.806
Eley High Velocity 0.833
Federal Hunter Match 0.864
Federal Champion 0.881
*
Federal Gold Medal Target 0.882
Federal HV Match 0.928
Eley Target 0.975
*
CCI Green Tag 1.056*
Agulia Sniper Subsonic 1.182
Magtech Standard 1.191
Federal Auto Match 1.193
Winchester Subsonic 1.202
SK Standard Plus 1.221
Armscor Gold color hollow 1.29
Winchester M22 1.303
CCI Select 1.331
SK Rifle Match 1.347
Geco Rifle 1.454
CCI Mini mag 1.467
Federal Black Pack 1.48
Federal Field & Range 1.487
Remington Viper 1.498
Eley Subsonic 1.507
*
CCI copper 1.654
Armscor Copper color hollow 1.727
CCI Segmented 1.842
Winchester Varmint HE 1.864
RWS Subsonic 1.905
Remington Yellow jacket 2.237
You put in a lot of work!
A bit of advice from a scientist, limit your results to 2 digits after the decimal . I sincerely doubt that you can measure to the thousanths of an inch of the separation between 2 holes with indistinct centers.
There are some real surprises in there, good & bad.
mine loves pistol king,
We're did you get all the different ammo from, can't hardly find anything
thanks!
You keep saying that you wouldn't want to shoot a subsonic beyond 50 yds. Actually, you will find that subsonic is MUCH more accurate at long range in a .22LR. When you shoot a lightweight bullet at 1200fps, it very quickly drops below the speed of sound. It goes trans sonic somewhere from 40-70 yds, usually. As it dips below the speed of sound, the pattern of the shockwaves change, and the bullet is destabilized. Once it is destabilized at 40-70 yards, it has the rest of it's flight time to wander all over the place. This is why you might see great groups at 50 from a supersonic, but crappy groups at 100. If you use a subsonic, it never goes trans sonic. OK, there is more drop, but you get yourself a 20-30MOA scope base, and you are fine out beyond 300. Yes, the bullet lands on the target like a mortar, but it's consistent and predictable.
No you're absolutely right. Since this i've taken all the best to 200 and beyond and eley force will shoot up to 1/2 moa at 200. That was something i didn't really know about how supersonic 22 rounds are easily destabilized through the transonic barrier. Like you said, its basically coming straight down but its coming straight down consistently. I can shoot force out to 350 and not run out of dope on the scope. the rprf has a 30 moa base plus the reticle has 36 more MOA of elevation. Interesting stuff.
Joel Curtin spot on the issue with hv at range is they all drop below super sonic around 76ish yards.. when the fall back below super sonic they get pushed off target. All long range 22 shooters is std velocity heavy for caliber rounds and elevate their scope to make up for drop.
Fish R Relaxing I was shooting Eley Tenex, but I’m running out, and they are going for crazy money. For now, I’m switching to SK Long Range. The standard deviation is better on the Tenex (5.4 vs 7.5), but the SK is half the price.
Joel Curtin yes but your rail better have a lot of MOA at least 30 at the elevation adjustment or your rings are shimed up quite a bit but you are right high velocity and supersonic stuff is real accurate over a hundred yards I've seen some people shooting at 500 yards
ON TARGET THOM uncle sam just 20MOA gets you out beyond 300. I’ve gone as far as 500, but yes, I was holding way above the target.
One of THE BEST 22lr ammo comparison videos I've ever seen. Subbed. Cant understand how you only have 1.4k subs ??? Your dedication to detail & thoroughness is to be applauded. 👏👏
Thank you for the imput! i try to keep it consistent with the videos but improve the methods on each one. And its just fun to get out and shoot!
Love your presentation showing the groups after the fact without putting the viewer through every shot! Your summaries are perfect info. To make a decision for the viewer.
Thanks for watching. Yea the last thing YT needs is another dude shooting holes in paper and videoing it IMO.
Man thanks for such an in-depth look into the world of 22LR ammo accuracy!
22 is a strange animal thats for sure.
Wow, one of the best .22lr ammo videos I have ever seen, thanks! Subbed
Thanks for watching man hope it helped
Today first shot with my RPR . 25m CCI Tatget st.velo. 40gr 1070fps --> 0.95cm group good! & Norma Target sucked spread and highright : cleaned out barrel in between 50rounds CCI then 30rounds NORMA ..... thx for the review guided me to my the first ammo for this rifle. NoRMA was mot on my list - a giveaway from the store.... but good to see similar results !
Found this 2 years late. It is the best .22lr ammo video I've watched. Love it!
hope it helped! thanks for watching
I appreciate the time and effort you put into this video.....fantastic job.
thanks for watching!
Man, I love your documentation, time and $ you spent on this. Thank you. Seems .22 rifles are notorious for being ammo sensitive. I prefer subsonic and suppressed so no earplugs. My son just went two/ten at a 20 gauge empty shotgun shell at 115 yds. Shooting from prone, Savage MKII, BSA Glass, and CCI standard subsonic. Winds were from 0 to 10 and changing directions. Went 5/5 on 6” gong at 200. Ran out of adjustment and was just using holdover (no dots or lines), so I am proud of it.
Thanks for watching and the input! i've been doing it for quite some time now ant it really is amazing how much of a difference it makes. Temperature too. Gotta love long range shooting with 22 for sure. i had a few of mine out to 450 the other day using cci std vel and still have a little left in the reticle.
Nice summary. Norma TAC22 shoots very well in my RPR rifles. 8/10" 5 shot group at 100 yds. You have to clean the barrel and shoot a bunch of the Norma to acclimate the barrel to the waxy lube. It's that way with any of the bullets that have the soft lube.
I second Roland. My RPRR loves the TAC22's. I got a .76 group at 50 with them and they performed well last weekend out to 200 yards at a rimfire PRS comp. May be that gun to gun they like different rounds, but I'd definitely try this ammo in your RPRR.
thanks!
I love these videos, the best thing to take away is buy a "buffet" of .22 and see which your rifle loves to eat. Thanks for such a complete reveiw
Yes I know it's a little expensive but buy 50 of whatever you can get your hands on. That's the best way so you don't have a ton of left over ammo your rifle doesn't like and a lot of it is expensive. Having said that my last two have liked most types of eley just fyi
When you get right at the point of breaking the sound barrier then you start having group problems. Thats why the PMC at 910 FPS shot a good group, you gun barrel twist rate and the slower FPS works very well together. Once you get to around 1130 fps and above its a different story most of the time.
thats a myth thats been debunked several times. people rarely see destabilization passing through the transonic phase.
@@coreyd1474Can you post a video where it’s been debunked? I’m not trying to argue with you on this I just recently got into shooting 22LR and I’ve heard of this transonic stage
i would love to but i don't think you can post links. look up mark and sam after work. hes an assie that shoots extreme long range and he has a great video address things that fudds usually talk about like scope over bore height and transonic 22 destabilization. all comes down to who you going to listen to. some fudd on the internet who says his thunderbolts don't shoot well at 300 yards because transonic magic or a guy who consistently shoots 22's at 1000 yards with super sonic ammo.
@@Blackhawk556.
A suggestion for these types of accuracy videos. When you are shooting 10 round groups, I would allow for
operator or environmental (wind) error at least once. (I'm a mathemetician, throw out the best and worst, average the rest. I'm willing to live with leaving the best in since it would often be hard to pick out.) Throw out the worst flyer and post the results for a 9 round group. The CCI Standard for example would have been MUCH better.
Good Video! I like this kind of information.
Yeah I agree for sure! CCI STD vel works pretty well I was out shooting it yesterday. Thanks for the input!
Never throw out hits! Wind, flyier... doesn’t matter in a comp they count every round. You as a responsible shooter are responsible for every round you send down range.. this is why ammo testing and load testing is done for every specifics setup. Don’t discount a bad shot it’s part of the group.
@@fishrrelaxing9361 agreed
to be fair then. he would have to clean the rifle the exact same way every time and then allow the same number of flowing shots, along with 10 targets and pull out of the same box of 500 at random. then go to a indoor range as to cut out some X factors i guess strap the gun down as to reduce more X . but to say (X-brand) shoots the best is somewhat not fair as 22 rifles can be a bit picky. if one had suck time they could make a killer video.
@@coady-wp3xf such time and they key word there is "MONEY" LOL! if you're bored i narrowed it down to a few that did well and compared it against my 10/22. a little bit better info in there. i allowed for fouling rounds, so on. Thanks for the input.
WOW, you really went all out, you sir are excellent ! I subscribed just because of stumbling across this video. You showed facts not fiction and constantley stated "for your rifle on the day" well done and I can't wait to see more. Personally I shoot 300 win mag long range and 308win beyond what most would. You made me pull my .22 out of the safe and be excited !!
glad you enjoyed, thanks for watch.g
Your dedication to comparing several different manufacturers and loads for the 22lr should be commended. It’s time consuming and NOT cheap to this comparison of the results in your rifle. Anyone that has a 22lr would be doing themselves a huge favor by doing this type of comparison for themselves. Every rifle is different and the 22lr specifically is probably more particular to certain ammo. If someone were to just pick up a random ammo for their 22lr and maybe has bad results at the range may think their rifle isn’t any good. Finding the ammo that your rifle likes is crucial to being happy with your ability to hit what you’re aiming at. Thanks for sharing your experience at finding out what YOUR rifle likes. 😊
yea i agree but its harder now a days than it was when i filmed this to get this amount of ammo without taking a loan out unfortunately.
@@coreyd1474
Most definitely. Good thing you did it before everything went crazy. Buying that much ammo is pretty hard on the bank account. It’s still a pretty good deal compared to 5.56 or 308 though. Keep up the good work. I’m gonna subscribe to your channel 👍
Love the video and extremely thorough comparison. I’m surprised you didn’t try anything from Eley or the Federal Ultra Match but I understand trying to keep the cost down as low as possible. I tested 7 different ammos in my RPRR and found that it liked the Eley Tenex, Federal Ultra Match and Eley Edge best in that order. The CCI 40 gr standard velocity was a close match as well until I went out to 100 yds. That’s when the Tenex really separates itself from the others. Great video!
You'll have to check out the second part, I did several Eley types. I actually went ahead and bought 1000 force because it shot well. shot very well out to 350 i was getting .5 MOA groups with it at 200. Eley target shot super well too i'll get some more of that when it gets warm.Thanks for watching!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!! I can't say it enough, THANK YOU!
My pleasure thanks for watching
Every gun has it's favorite shell . Find it and use it !
exactly
Thank you for your sacrifice spending $17.99 on a box of 22 ammo just to inform the masses!
Seriously awesome, informative video. Manufacturers of 22lr ammo must really hate RUclips lol. Good shopping and wise purchases have never been so easy thanks to folks doing stuff like this.
i'm glad that you found it informative. thank you for watching!
A GREAT effort was a hard day of range, thanks for sharing, I think you missed AGUILA Sniper 60 grains
thank YOU
The SK and the Wolf are exactly the same ammo. They just change the outer box. The yellow SK is the Wolf Target and the Red box is the Wolf Match. You will get an occasional flyer out of both. Seems to be about 2 or 3 a box. The Lapua pistol king has a faster burning powder to get higher velocity out of pistol length barrels. The pistol loads tend to get really good standard deviations because all the powder gets burnt in a rifle barrel. They are kind of an "insider's secret" to getting match grade ammo a little less expensive. Works best in bolt guns because it burns hot and quick.
Thanks for the input! i have been out with the wolf a few times since then and it shoots very well. So does pistol king. but so far eley force has been the best out to 350 yards. Thanks for watching!
I've got the same RPR w/bipod & monopod, & most (~90%) of those same ammo types for trials .. it'll be interesting to see how we compare. I've watched twice but never heard you say what distance you ran your tests at. 50 or 100 yds?
@@acerlazereye1232 its at 50. i ended up ordering a bunch of eley force and it is awesome out to 350. i was able to get 1/2 moa groups at 200. surprised the shit out of me. thanks for watching thought!
Agree with your info...the other wolf match extra around 70 bucks per brick last i read is made in England by Eley. My gun likes the cheaper Wolf better.
@@j.l.8000 i think the MT is made in germany by lapua but i could be wrong. doesn't really matter. it doesn't shoot that well for me. especially past 50 yards.
What makes ammo get good groups is the fit to the barrel, imparting the twist by proper fit from the lands and grooves stabilizing the bullet in flight . This is why some ammo seems to work better than others in certain barrels for no reason, it has to do with the fit of a particular ammo . If the bullet is a little loose it doesn't get the right amount of twist to stabilize in flight , this is why a Guy will say " I only run a certain brand and type of ammo in my rifle. Check Each bullet width with a gauge to see what variation are present and which are more accurate in your rifle.
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Man...your video packs a punch...most ammo reviews shows the person load, shoot, reload...pause repeat....
Your style should be the standard...thanks! 👍🏻
i like to make videos i would like watching myself. thanks for watching!
Iv'e been using fed auto match from when it came out years ago!. Best groups for the money and get for $14 a box!.
definitely best. between that and cci standard velocity its hard to beat accuracy/price
I did a test like yours, but with only ten different brands and styles. My early 80's model 60 loved Federal match grade. Great video thanks.
Awesome job sir... This vid will save a lot of money from people buying .22!! Project Appleseed, I'm involved it this organization. This is perfect for us instructors to see...
Thanks for watching!
I've been testing a ton of ammo to see what works best for my rifles for Appleseed. This video was very helpful
@@jross13450 i've since replaced the barrel with an er shaw barrel. still shoots federal white box and eley target well. eley target is right at 1 moa at 100
Wow I'm so glad you made this video. I've been looking at other 22lr ammo videos trying to figure out what ammo is best for my rifle. I have the same rifle I use for hunting. You also went through a very sufficient variety of ammunition others fail to go through. I now will be buying Aguila super extra 40 grain, fiocchi and cci standard velocity. Thank you.
Glad i could help you out! Happy shooting!
One of the best rimfire ammo comparisons on RUclips, I just ordered 15 boxes of auto match today my gun loves them too .... it also hates that thunderbolt garbage
i wouldn't trust thunderbolt out of anything. rather shoot it out of a sling shot
@@coreyd1474 yeah unfortunately buddy told Me it was awesome so I bought a bunch think I have it all sold now
@@Dieseldoggy502 anyone who would tell you thunderbolt is awesome shouldn't be your buddy lol
@@coreyd1474 well the rest of the story is he said they shoot good out of his wife's gun and there were only like 2 or 3 different. 22 ammo to choose from
Part 1 (good video) Question; did you clean your barrel between your changing of ammo's - or did you acclimate your barrel with the next round of testing each ammo? Overall, you certainly put a lot of work into this, and thank you!!! Oh,,, .22lr Subsonic ammo is far more accurate at long range over the high velocity stuff - do to the no transition wobble from super sonic to subsonic...
so this was when i was just starting to get in to 22 so i wasn't as familiar with fowling and all that so in this video i just moved from one to the next. no fowling or cleaning. As far as sub/super i have noticed no tumbling with any supersonic round out to 450
@@coreyd1474 Try the Norma again and just shoot the whole box. 10 rounds usually for seasoning the barrel but I can shoot a lot and I care about accuracy after lots of shooting.
@@gordonv2456 yea doing this again knowing what i know now i would have allowed for some fowling rounds. this gun has been long long gone lol
Nice review, my rprf doesn’t shoot very well, I have a marlin 795 that shoots tight groups with almost every ammo except the 60gr aguila and hyper fast ammo, pretty disappointed in my rprf, and I’ve tried 15-20 different types of ammo with it.
Thanks for watching! Yea that's a bummer. Sell it and buy one of the new CZs when they come out lol
A barrel swap would be a more cost effective route if you like the Ruger as there are a host of high-end barrel manufacturers that make all types of different barrels for the kit....if you like that chassis type configuration.
@@oldschool9932 To be honest with you it shoots a few types of ammo so well i'm not going to bother with it. maybe after a while if i notice significant accuracy degradation. what's the price on most of those barrels? just curious.
@@Mrjohnboy1965 honestly the only reason I put it on there is because it was laying around. I think it's a surefire pro comp but I took it off and put an actual 22 device on it from madmacs tactical. Doesn't seem to affect accuracy but it reduces recoil even tho 22 doesn't have much to begin with lol
@@Mrjohnboy1965 right! Hahahahaha and absolutely no recoil is neat too only problem is 22 is so dirty they get gunked up fast
I just found your channel as I acquired a RPR. This video series was so helpful in allowing me to save so much time on ammo testing. I went straight to testing Eley, SK, and CCI. I can say that the CCI, SK match. and Eley club performed amazing! Subbed.
Awesome! glad i could help that was kind of the point when i figured i would make the video. can never go wrong with cci in pretty much anything it always performs OK at worst.
At the time you did this video I did a similar ammo test for my RPRR at 50 and 100 yds (w/ about half the ammo). I came up with the exact same conclusion with Federal Target! Man, I doubted myself because it was cheap bulk ammo.
Thanks for making my test legit.
i imagine most of them will shoot it well. have you looked for it recently? wonder if its still available.
@@coreyd1474 No, but then again I can’t find much of anything under .15cpr anymore. I’m living off my hoard of CCI SV (100yds) and Aquila blue box (50yds). I miss those prices you mention in the video.
Didn't catch what distance you shot these at. Have you tried the CCI Copper? Lead free is required in CA for all hunting now. It's ok at 50 yards but terrible at 100.
these were at 50. no i didn't i think i only tried mini mag standard vel and green tag. green tag is awesome.
Lead free? Oh California.... :( I feel for you guys.
Surprised you dont have to put a fin grip on your rprf lol
Thank you CCI for the think customer attitude and filling the lead free nitch but this laments the fact that Kalifornia can and will screw up anything and everything.
"The two infinites.... the universe and human stupidity" Albert Einstein.
@@oldschool9932 I read somewhere that you have to replace the a2 device on ar style rifles with a compensator in kalifornia LOL that's how stupid they are. But get ready for kalifornia politics to come to the white House unfortunately 😔
Federal Target Grade 40g works the best in my RPR too! Thanks for the confirmation and info. I also have the same issues with the junk ammo as noted. What was the distance for the test?
mine doesn't shoot it the best but as far as price/accuracy/availability its a winner hands down. mine after much more testing and more than 10 shot groups shoots eley target the best at 50 and eley force 50 to beyond 300. All these groups were at 50 yards BTW. Thanks for watching.
Well done. One of the best accuracy tests on RUclips. Very good collection of ammo. Thanks.
thanks for watching hope it helped!
I like the Federal target grade $18.99 per 325, they are a clean and reliable round for a great price (around these parts) but my favorite (not even in your video) are the (Walmart exclusive) Federal red box (fed reds) @ $19.94 per 550, you just cant beat this price per the amount of rounds, these actually look polished! 36gr. copper plated h/p 1260 fps and any copper plated bullet helps prevent fouling in the barrel after the round is fired! I like these not so much for my Ruger 10/22 rifle but my Ruger SR-22 handgun, it eats anything I put in it but I like these two rounds for the reasons mentioned. I can remember when the Thunderbolts ruled (pricewise) the market even as dirty and unreliable as they are but now you pay an extra $10 to spend an extra 10 minutes washing your hands when you get back from the range! Awesome video, thanks for showing the differences in these loads!
I totally agree. White box federal price/availability/accuracy they're hands down the best. my only gripe about bullets going as fast as you said the red feds are going is 22 doesn't handle the transonic face well so thats why you don't get the accuracy out to distance as you would something in the sweet spot around 1090 or so. Anyway, thanks for the input and thanks for watching!
@@coreyd1474 when it comes to hunting (squirrel) where distance plays into it, I haven't really had any instances that comes to mind where I have taken a shot out far enough to see that discrepancy that I wasn't totally willing to put on me (usually the 2nd shot does the trick) not the ammo, and as for my pistol I'm only shooting 15' out to maybe 45' where that wouldn't even come into play, or at least I haven't noticed, shooting AR 500 and they go clank every time...lol . that's probably why I haven't noticed what you pointed out...thanks for the info....one thing I can say is that with my Crosman TR-77 air rifle .177 using PBA pellets I'm going sonic because I can hear the crack and it sounds like a 22! and I get good...(ok decent) accuracy with them out to 25 yds.
@@Frank-uf2vn yea for game the faster the better totally. i know people get alll worked up about shooting stingers out of the rprf but i've shot almost 100 with no issue. thats a screaming load. bad thing about those is you have to wear hearing pro.
Awesome info. Thanks for taking the time to put this together.
absolutely, thanks for watching!
Cory, thanks. One thing I did is hand lap the barrel with J&B from brownells and break it in textbook. I got an s-load of debri on the first patch....I get five shot same hole groups at 25. 1/2” at 50. Good optic and bag.
shot it at all past 50? mine will do 1/2 moa groups with eley force at 200. thanks for watching.
Came back to watch all over again. Great vid!
glad i could help. thanks for watching!
My buddy and I have been using Federal automatch 22lr in his Ruger precision per your vids recommendation, and have been yeilding extremely good results 1000 rds later
Right? hard to beat for the price! at least it was i haven't looked for it in quite some time due to the fact i can't shoot supersonic ammo where i am now.
Excellent info, thank you! I would not have guessed the Automatch would be near the top of the list.
automatch is really good stuff. especially for being cheap bulk supersonic ammo.
I'm in my 60s and at one time back in the 1980s PMC ammo was a common Eco-brand. I have found that PMC Target is very accurate from Ruger Mark IIs as well. I'm talking .25" diameter , not ctc, 10 shot groups at 44 feet (length of my basement range) from a sandbag rest. If you can find it, buy it.
IF you can find it. i have been seeing cci standard velocity in stock pretty regularly but for the covid prices.
It's interesting that you can tell immediately when the video was shot by the price of the ammo. As soon as I heard $2.99 for a box of .22LR I knew it was pre-covid.
back inthe good ol days
@@coreyd1474 I saw it coming , my friend. I am fully stocked in 22LR. I will never pay 20 cents a round to plink.
@@timhallas4275 i have a ton of it as well but the majority of it is skrm and the other majority is center x so not exactly pinking ammo
@@coreyd1474 Yep, I still remember paying $9.50 for 100 rounds of CCI mini-mag and thinking I was being stupid. I remember getting 500 rounds of Armscore 40 grain, standard velocity (plinking ammo) for $20. In fact, I'm still plinking for 4 cents per shot, while others are paying 20 cents for the same thrill. It's never going to be anywhere what it was before 2020. You can horde what you bought, or just enjoy the fact that you can afford to shoot.
Hey dude. Thanks for the info. I just recently got a RPRR and I love it. I've been trying to find good ammo for it and this video helps me alot.. greatly appreciated. Hope all is well ✌🏻
thanks so much for watching. just hope it at least helps steer you in the right direction! good luck.
I purchased the Remington Target ammo because it was on sale from Midway, and you had a decent review/results on your testing. Due to poorish eyesight and an old Simmons scope I only shot my new 10/22 rebuild at 25 yards. I achieved consistant sub-1" groupings with zero fly aways. Thanks for the review.
nice not having any flyers. thanks for watching!
Glad to see the federal auto match works well for you too. it shoots lights out in my cz’s 452 455 and 457’s and it’s awesome In my semi autos too
they've worked well out of my of my 22s but to be honest man i haven't tried to find them since probably this video i'm sure they went the way of cci standard velocity.
Funny how different .22 rifles like different ammunitions. My CZ 455 loves the Norma TAC and Norma Match (1/2" groups at 50 and 1" groups at 100yds) and when suppressed the Aguila SV. Another good, cheap ammo is the CCI standard velocity target ammo. Good video dude, lot of work. Thanks for sharing. BTW, don't refrain from pushing that ammo on out to 200 yards, even the sub sonic stuff.
22 really is a strange animal. i think that why people love it so much?
I'd like to confirm my Precision Rimfire also loves the federal white box. Which is great because my 10/22 Target does too! Both right around 1moa on a calm day
Nice! Gotta love it when it shoots the cheap stuff well
Seeing this thumbnail in early 2021 is the type of thing that infuriates me.
LOL same.
Me too
Thanks for your time in doing this. Need to find your second video and do some shopping. I have been through CCI and wasn’t seeing the consistency I was looking for out of my RPR, especially after I stretched it past 50yds. Last 1,000 rounds have been of Aquila which I was happy staying with until seeing finding your video which is going to cause me to pick up a couple of other brands to try. My club has a max 100yd range but now that my buddy is harvesting I am hoping set of steel out and get some real distance.
Thanks for watching. Overall i think CCI is the best for price/accuracy/availability but the best for accuracy for me was eley target. Good luck.
Great info! Just bought this rifle today and this is just the type of video I was looking for.
glad it helped! i feel like i try to make videos that i would like to watch. informative, no stupid music or BS intro.
My current preferred 22lr at 50 and 100 yards is SK Long Range AFTER I have used a Neal Waltz resizing die on the ammo. The die does two things that I identify as improving the precision (no, I have no targets to demonstrate). One, resizing ensures that for 360 degrees the 22lr driving rings are a consistent 0,225 in., and two, that the rings are 0.225 in. to ensure positive contact with the rifling grooves. Someone noted in the comments "remove the wax" from the SK 22lr ammo. SK does not use a wax lube; a light oil is used as with all German manufactured 22lr's that I have experience with. CCI and Eley 22lr use a wax
i'll have to look in to that resizing die.
WOW...I wish all RUclipsrs had this quality....life is too short.
just info and no stupid music.
Great video. I have been testing ammo in my new CZ 457. I watched a lot of videos and did some research on how people test ammo. A common theme I saw is shooting foulers to season the barrel before shooting groups. Different brands have different lubes and people shoot foulers so the barrel gets fully coated with the new lubricant. During my testing I definitely noticed my groups tightening up by the 10th round. For my tests, I pull a bore snake (with the brush removed), then I shoot 20 foulers, followed by six 5-shot groups. I use the best 5 groups for my average group size. Pulling the bore snake is not necessary but I am shooting suppressed so my barrel gets very dirty, very fast. I do consider shooting the foulers necessary. 10 rounds is probably enough but I shoot 20 just get the most accurate data possible. I realize I shot a lot more ammo to conduct my test. If you do not want to shoot an entire box, I would recommend shooting 10 foulers then three 5 shot groups. I really prefer my way though and choosing the best 5 of 6, 5-shot groups. This way I can eliminate one group where either the wind, the ammo, or myself caused a flier. Just wanted to share how I have been conducting my tests to give you some ideas...
depending what kind of am mo you're going from and going to 10 is probably too many, 5 at most will suffice with like ammo (sk, lapua, eley, ect) but for non coated stuff yea i agree. 10 at least.
@@coreyd1474 I agree, but i want a standard way to test all my ammo. I don't want to change my testing methods for certain brands. 20 foulers on every type of ammo can definitely be considered "overkill", but it guarantees that the barrel is fouled in before I shoot my groups. I shot eley match, target, club, and subsonic hollow all back to back. You're right, I didn't need many foulers between them at all. But my first 5 shot fouler group of eley match (after shooting a different brand) was 1.5" at 50yds. Next 5 was 3/4", and after that, they were ~.5". I just wanted a uniform way to test everything, and 20 foulers, plus 6 5-shot groups, uses all 50 rounds.
There was a time when I would buy any 22 I could find. I tested myself, loved federal target, still have a bunch of Winchester and Remington crap Winchester bulk about the worst, but I was happy to get it at the time.
that bulk shit is just so bad you can't trust it in a pressure situation. sure its available and fun to plink with but thats about all.
I just got a RPR ive only had the value pack rds so far.You just saved me a lot of Hassle thx
absolutely! hope it performs well for you. thanks for watching!
Dude, this reminds me of the first gun video I put on RUclips, great info and good shooting! Thanks for sharing
Hey gotta start somewhere LOL. thanks for watching!
I just bought a .22 western style replica pistol, and I was wondering what to shoot through it. This video was very well done, it was very informative with the wind conditions and all, and the honest opinions were very welcomed. Corey I subscribed to you because of this video! Thanks, I learned a lot from part 1 and 2. Job very well done!
Thanks Mark I appreciate the positive feedback and I'm glad it helped you out! Thanks for watching! Good luck
thanks I think the CCI standard would be the winner , that being said every rifle shoots different thanks again
since i've replaced the barrel i'm definitely going to get another batch of standard velocity. also have a custom 10/22 i've almost got done. going to do a comparison video of the two. thanks for watching.
Late to the party but great review.
Interesting that you found the Norma stuff to be inconsistent.
I usually use CCI subsonic is my RPR which runs a Wildcat Predator 12 suppressor and is almost silent, the thing is sub 1/2" groups but today i was using Norma subsonic and the groups were like buckshot out of an unchoked 12g.
Super inconsistent and each shot sounded different too as if the powder loads were varying.
i have never had any flafor of norma shoot well out of any thing i've tested it in. in all my shooting and testing if found stick to cci std vel, any type of sk, or cx and you'll be ok.
Awesome I personally love both the lapua and the wolf ammo can consistently hit a golf ball a 150 yards no issue works great
yea i like wolf too although i haven't looked for it since this video. probably aren't allowed to buy it anymore since it has a scary name.
Wow. Really good review. No nonsense, very informative. Well done! Thank you!
i feel like i make videos i'd like to watch. no stupid intros or filming holes in paper.
Thank you for this video and the work you put in to making it.
absolutely. thanks for watching!
Most detailed video I've found on .22LR bullets. Would've been cool to see the stinger too.
matthewcrabbe Ruger specifically states in the owners manual to NOT shoot stingers in the 22 precision.
people love stingers
Appreciate this video man. Gives me some great starting points for my own testing on the RPR...cheers!
glad it helped!
Unless you have a small bore match competition rifle ie. Anschutz, Walther, Feinwerbau etc, it is nor worth to try the highest end ammo like Eley Tenex or Lapua Midas. The ammo is optimized for 50 meters and is good for 100 meters but they produce the best results in match bolt action rifles that have a special tight chamber that engages the bullet into the rifling. The 22lr headspaces on the rim and one way to secure the most consistent ammo is to segregate it measuring the thickness of the rim (Champion Shooters Supply sells a gauge for about $5) thus insuring all cartridges have the same head space. Not important in a regular 22 but it is in a $4000.00 competition rifle if one is shooting for points in competition against small bore specialists with the same rifles and ammo. I have an Olympic match Anschutz that can shoot 1/4" from the bench with Eley, Lapua or SK at 50 meters and less than an inch at 100 meters but it has a 100 gram (3 oz) trigger with the lowest lock time possible and a 27 inch bull barrel and weighs 14 pounds. Accurate Shooter website has an article of 75 brands tested with a match rifle at 50, 75 and 100 yards with the results from best to worse. Interesting stuff. If you can match your rifle to the ammo it really likes, your golden and it seems you rifle can shoot several brands very well.
great info in this comment
Great job! This is a well-organized and thorough review. Most of your results mirror what I saw with my RPRimfire when it still wore its factory barrel. The only exceptions being that I have not seen a gun group Federal Automatch well in many, many years, (guys in my gun club laughingly refer to it as "automiss"), and that Lapua Midas+ wasn't quite as tight from my gun. Mine also did not like Aguila Super Extra high velocity nearly as much as yours does. I was not fully satisfied with the accuracy from my rifle, so I picked up a Green Mountain fluted and threaded 16" barrel. Not only does it cut my groups by half with almost every ammunition I have tried, it also reduced the obscenely barrel-heavy nature of the rifle. It's a lot easier to lug around, and more importantly, balances reasonably well offhand. It shoots cheap Aguila Super Extra standard velocity into the high 0.3" to mid 0.4" range, and Midas + into the low 0.3" range. The difference is more pronounced at 100 yards, but given the price difference, I'm perfectly happy to hit dime-sized targets at 50 yards for 4 cents a pop. These rifles are definitely not well-suited to benched shooting anyway.
I should add that Lapua Center-X shoots almost identically to Midas Plus in all my rimfires, and it's a bit cheaper too. It's my go-to load in several of my rifles even including match participation. Pretty much every target gun I own prefers either Eley Club or Lapua Center-X. Eley Tenex has simply not performed well for me despite being the winningest rimfire ammo in the world. Maybe guns need to specifically have a chamber cut for the EPS bullet to make good use of it.
i go to center x or cci standard velocity. 9/10 when i have it on a chrono it out performs every type of ammo. cci standard velocity that is. most time the sd is in the single digits.
Federal AM22 and CCI 40gr RNL SV are my two favorites and most reliable. 3rd place is Aguila SV Solid Points. Nice video, thanks!
thanks for watching!
Excellent comparison, very helpful.
glad it was helpful. thanks for watching!
Great job, great information. Thanks for putting all the hard work together
thank you for watching!
Get a sharpie, write the purchase date on the box, it helps a LOT. I gave up trying to decode lot number dates a long time ago.
I just bought a bunch of ammo to mix into my collection- yours is a good idea. From here going forward I will know what I have. Some of my stuff is at least ten years old. I know, I need to shoot more!
@@kirkjohnson9353 I'm right there with you. I know I have stuff that is over 12 years old, I have had it since before my son was born, i have a pretty decent stockpile. Gonna start shooting everything without a date on it. Then buy the same amount I shot to replace it and put a date on it.
so 22s expire now is what youre saying?
@@coreyd1474 most modern powders are double base. If stored properly, cool dry place, they will be good for decades. However powders do degrade slowly over time. So while old ammo may function just fine it may lose velocity, consistency, and thus accuracy with age. So i put dates on my ammo and shoot the oldest ammo first to keep the freshest ammo available. You could try to look up and decode lot numbers on boxes, but its a royal pain. Writing the purchase date on the box is simple and easy.
Wow, crazy good comparison! Thanks man! Subscribed.
thanks for watching
Awesome. I'm still hanging onto to 3 boxes of the federal auto match. Thanks for the video.
funny you're the second person today to talk about automatch lol its definitely good stuff especially at the price it was in this video. i haven't looked for it for quite some time but i'm sure its hard to find.
The effort here was great. I just can’t take these results as final for determining what type of ammo I should buy because I got different results with Norma tac 22 and CCI standard velocity. I managed to get a 5 shot group of 0.17” at fifty yards with CCI sv out of my Ruger precision rim fire
Norma shot better than what you got as well
I get it. Every rifle is different so buy each and see which one your rifle likes.
this isn't an end all be all. just a guide more or less for shooters just getting in to the sport that i can maybe help them narrow down their choices.
Took me awhile to get here, glad I did, thanks and subbed.
thanks for watching!
Great video gave me some good info on what to feed my Ruger Precision .22R ,only thing that puzzles me is the Norma TAC22 ammo in my custom rifle I built its a Brownells BRN-22 receiver with a TAC SOL barrel bedded in a Boyds stock , Nikon P Tactical 2-7 with Norma TAC it shoots .71 at 50yds -
any flavor of norma hasn't shot well for me for some reason.
Watching this video in 2022 and I miss these ammo prices. That box of thunderbolts are now $50
you and me both sister
Thanks for the time and the video, good start for comparison and price, as we know every every rifle has a favorite round that works best for it. For the performance and cost my CZ457 does well with the 40gr CCI mini mag. It also likes the Eley Tenex but it is cost prohibitive. Stick to one only brand and practice.
that's nice yours shoots mini mags well i THINK you can still find those?
Great video, outstanding amount of research, I'm amazed how many brands you tried.
thanks for watching!
Stingers!!!
Cory, the suppressor changed the POI by 3MOA low @ 25 yards. Windage did not change. Once re zeroed all the data at 50, 75 and 100 remained unchanged. Did not get crono data that day. Next time.
great!
Very helpful video. I just bought my first .22, a lever action Henry youth model for my girls. Im taking them shooting this weekend, I will use this video to buy my ammo.
Start em young! Definitely go with blazer or federal white box. Cheap and performs! Glad I could help
Oh no! Federal bulk shot that bad out of your Ruger. I am shocked. Out of my 32 year old Bruno I have attained groups around the one inch, a little over a couple under at 100 meter from the bench. The scope on it is a Simmons 4-14 x 40. I had to remove the rear sight to fit that scope. Blazer also shoots well as do Federal solids. I guess i need to see what some of the more expensive rounds shoot like.
everyone loves blazer
that's a lot of info. thanks for doing all the leg work. I have a bunch of the auto match laying around, that's what I run through my 10/22. When I bought my rprr I bought a bunch of standard velocity, because that's what a bunch of others said was the best value-to accuracy. This makes me pretty excited about trying some of the federal.
Thanks for watching! I know all 22 rifles shoot different but I was for sure happy it shot some of the less expensive stuff well. Good luck!
I've had good luck with the "auto match" in all of my 22s
Great video! Thanks for sharing your results.
thanks for watching.
Cory, I shoot 25-100 yard using the PRS 22 targets and their stages. Happy with the Federal Target. Just bought a suppressor and will be retesting....good testing job! I did something like it but with a smaller selection. Also used a couple of 10/22’s and while the groups were larger the results were the same on what is most accurate.
yea normally i wouldn't have time to do something this large but since the government was shutdown for 38 days i had a little time on my hands LOL. eley force was the best for me at 50 after sever rounds of testing the best ammo out of the bunch. eley force has proved the best for me out to 350. I'd be curious if the suppressor changes your POI at all with a 22.
Great video! Its crazy how off of target you can be just with different ammo. I went shooting the other day out of my Ruger 10/22 with iron sights, tried 3 different loads at 25yds. Herters, CCI Stingers, and Agulia super extra. Herters was all over the place lol, Agulia was nice and tight, and Stingers was shooting high, but tight groups. Agulia even had a certain smell that was different from the other loads when fired. The Stingers definitely had a little extra kick at the muzzle. I just got my 10/22 last week so I'm just figuring out what it likes to eat. I haven't tried the Federal automatch yet, but I do have a box of it. Good shooting 👏 by the way.
yea it is crazy how much of a difference it makes. fowling also plays a large part in accuracy. from all the testing i've done it seems to be around 10-20 rounds depending on the ammo for the barrel to get conditioned.
Thanks for going to so much trouble and expense to test all these different kinds of ammunition and provide an overview of so many results. Kudos. I realize this video is four years old now and from your description it sounds like you have made a number of upgrades since that time. I don’t mean to be critical, although this is a critical comment, referring to the equipment in this video I’m afraid your rifle is just not very accurate. Hopefully with the upgrades you described you found better accuracy with a number of different kinds of ammunition.
hard to hate on the rprf for what it costs IMO. it's an entry level rifle for people looking to get in to the prs/nrl sport and i think it is a pretty darn good one.
Thanks for putting up this great content. You really put some time in to this comparison.
Your channel deserves many more subscribers, you just got one more👍😊
Thank you for watching! I enjoy making them as much as hearing what people have to say.
Great job. Thorough and concise.
Thanks a million.
glad you liked. thanks for watching!
So many small variables, when it comes to the optimum ammo, in .22. I think one of the main factors is, how the diameter of the bullet matches with the diameter of your bore. Once you do find the optimum diameter for your bore, the consistency of that bullet diameter is gonna play a huge role in accuracy. You will also find that once your barrel is seated with a specific bullet diameter, it will keep getting more accurate, with each subsequent shot. Example: If I'm shooting the same ammo, all day, on a given day, I won't clean the bore of my rifle, UNTIL I start to see accuracy issues. What I'm saying is... Shots 40-50 will be more accurate than shots 1-10. Try it. I think you will like the results. Great test, by the way. Thanks for your time.
yep i agree. lucky for me i think eley target and eley force are the best fit for this barrel. groups are considerably smaller with those two. also i agree with you on the cleaning. i run a bore snake through it every now and then but i've also shot it about 4000 times. I've got most of this ammo back out at least once and some several times. results are pretty much the same minus a few. the SK brands shot a little better than the original test. As you can imagine its tough to find time to shoot this much ammo for more than a 10 shot group LOL. anyway, thanks for watching and thanks for the input.
@Jeff Rasberry the federsl white box stuff comes in like a pack of 325 for 16 bucks at the Walmart
@Jeff Rasberry it's perfect for plinking all day
@Jeff Rasberry with federal white box? what kind of barrel are you running? i was thinking of getting a shaw or green mountain barrel maybe at some point down the road.
That's crazy that the Remington thunderbolt was so bad in your rifle. I've never had any bad results from that ammo. But with that being said I just picked up a Ruger precision and have not ran any through yet. It'll be interesting to see the results.
thunderbolt shoots like trash through any rifle i own but it doesn't really bother me. its cheap, works well out of auto loads and you can find it anywhere.
Exact same situation here. I pretty much exclusively use Thunderbolt in my M&P 15-22 as it has the least issues with magazine feeds, where I'm often running rounds through pretty quickly at ~25 yards. For a change of pace, I just picked up a Ruger Precision and was planning on trying out some other ammo types at longer ranges. This video is fantastic!
Just for your interests sake: subsonics are more capable of shooting long distance groups than supersonic ammo, as it doesn’t slow through the transonic stage and become unstable. All the high end 22 ammo is subsonic for that reason- albeit just a hair under supersonic to maximize the useful velocity. I’ve shot subsonics accurately out to 380 yards
i have been using subsonic ammo for quite some time now but i have to say i think the destabilization deal is a myth. i've shot a ton of steel at 4-500 yards and have not once seen a bullet impact that was not stabilized. i'm sure it has to do a great deal with how the bullet is shaped but anything super i've ever used i've never noticed any tumbling.
Thunderbolt rounds are great for plinking using semi autos. I use them for my semi autos and work fine. I can shoot 1 inch groups at 100 yards with my target rifle. I have shot MOA at 100 yards with the Thunderbolt rounds.
i agree. i'll give them another swing since i've put the ER shaw barrel on this thing and also got my custom 10/22 finally done. worst cause they don't shoot well just shoot some beer cans with them LOL
I appreciate your work and generosity. I applaud your experimental rigor and attention to detail, but all this information could have been presented in a single table.
whats the fun in that? then you wouldn't have to sit through a 20 minute video of some random guy talking lol!
Grimlock1 so when are you going to compile it for us?
Late comer to comments...Great comparison. My personal experience with the Federal Automatch(Walmart purchase) has been less than ideal. Out of several different firearms, have had approximately 8-10% 'duds'. Good pin strikes on the rims but failure to fire. Not sure if a Walmart issue and their storage conditions or a Federal issue and just a bad lot. Your testing may get me to buy some more(but not at Walmart). The CCI standard target velocity has been a fantastic all around ammo for our youth shooting sports groups(Smallbore pistol and rifle, Western Heritage) Thanks-
better late than never! i'm sure with the automatch just like anything post 2020 the quality has gone down and the price has gone up. to be honest im not ever sure i've shot it recently just get a few bricks or so everytime i see it on the shelf to avoid not having any in the next shortage.
Exstensive, methodical and well presented, subbed.
thanks for watching!
Great report. Thanks for your efforts, it was a lot of work and expense.
thank you for watching and the input!
Big thanks for this video! I just traded in a Savage Mark II for a Ruger Precision Rimfire and was dreading the inevitable hunt for the perfect round. Fortunately I already had some Aguila Super Extras and they shot great. If I do my part I can do 0.4" at 50 yds and 1.2" at 100 yds with them. I doubt I'll even bother trying anything else since these are so accurate and some of the cheapest rounds available.
cheap and shoots well is a winning combo for sure!
Just when I thought you were done they kept on coming. 😁 Great video. Great information. Thanks! Subscribed.
thanks for watching!
My Bruno at 100 meters calm day w/ federal 525 pack 1.25" Fed solids 1.5" Yes I have my bad days too when I decided to free float the barrel. Now it needs a bedding job done on it. I love the Bruno! Yes it's a .22 LR.
yes its .22 lr