Best Cartridge for Hunting Each Animal with Ron Spomer
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You wrote on your site not to anneal because there is no accuracy gain and your brass doesnt last as long. I disagree. I have some cases with 20-30 reloading's due to good annealing. Annealing keeps neck tension way more accurate seating bullets. Annealing stops necks from splitting.
@@jonlennon3348 - If I wrote that annealing made brass NOT last as long, that was certainly a mistake. Where did you read that? The only purpose of annealing is TO make the brass last longer. I do stand by the thought that annealing doesn't have an impact on accuracy--at least from what I've seen, and that's also supported by many others who have tested it.
You are talking to a benchrester. It does make a difference as you seat bullets you can feel the difference but you have to use a pound force gage as you seat so you can sort them by seating pressure. Now did I read your writings wrong,I may have but I do resect what you do just trying to spread knowledge from my end.@@backfire
I can't believe Ron was on your Canadian Communist informercial channel 🤷🏽♂️
@@nunzionapoli6325What are you talking about? Is BF against certain firearms?
The Cougar, a good bottle of wine works nicely.
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Your overspending. A cheap bottle of mad dog 20/20 will work on most. Or if your feeling romantic strawberry hill Boones farm 👍
Ayyy
Some can be had with a simple box of wine 😂
@@Boomhower89you are confusing sweat hogs with cougars
I love the fact Ron is not afraid of new tech but still loves and appreciates the old stuff.
He's being politically, I mean ballistically correct.
@@TheNutzandBoltz Stop triggering me!
LOL, We aren't comparing phasers to slingshots here. Still a bullet and gunpowder.
The collab I’ve always wanted.
I would love to see a collab with Paul Harrell. That would be hilarious.
There’s a great long interview with Jim on Ron’s podcast!!
That was awesome..!!! Thanks Ron.. Thanks Jim..!!!
Came here to say exactly that.
No kidding lol so cool
Important consideration is how easy it is to get ammo everywhere. Every little store that has ammo will have .308, 30-06, 270 win, and 300 win mag. The best for North America hunts is any of these.
I'm with Ron on the 25-06. Such a great and underrated round when it was created!
I'm a romantic, so I'm partial to the .257 Roberts. Still firmly appreciative of the quarter-bore though! Highly underrated these days
If I was just gonna hunt deer and antelope, the occasional yote and that once in a lifetime mountain goat tag, it would be the 25-06.
My father just told me about this! Didn't even know it existed
if you have ammo for years
2506 invented in the 1920s , legitimized by Remington in 1969 and only now getting fast twist barrels & high bc bullets ??? Talk about neglected !! The newbies today haven't heard of it & for hunting varmints and big game up to mule 🦌 it's more versatile than the 6.5 !! Had one since 1973 & no regrets! I'm a long time reloader so great ammo is readily available !
Ron is an absolute legend!!! I talked to him at the whitetail & spring turkey spectacular show here in MI years ago when I just started reloading for my 7mm REM Mag and was having trouble getting anything to shoot well out of it. Ron turned me on to tha Barnes TTSX and that was the ticket. Since then I’ve harvested antelope, deer, bear, elk and moose all with a 140 grain round! THANKS RON!!!!
Thanks a great story!
Two of my favorite channels in one spot! Subscribed to both for a long time.
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308 for everything they talked about. There’s so many options and so many different rifles made in 308. It’s a tried and true caliber that has earned its place for a reason.
Yup, for those of us who can afford 1 rifle it is the one to have!
Well this isn't about if it's good for an animal, it's about the exact perfect match for a certain animal
@@wokedog1799 I understand but not a single pick for the .308?!!! Booooo 😄
@brandonbrown6544 as stated above, .308 is a damn fine generalist round, you can make it do anything you can think of, but it is beaten out in some way in every category by other cartridges that exist. This is also the personal opinion of both of these guys
308 is a damn fine cartridge. but if i had to pick a rifle that i could only have one and hunt every species on this list it would probably be something with a little more zip. such as 7 rem mag. and thats only because i hate to say that the 30-06 is more versatile than the 308.
270 is my choice for over 50 years hunting everything living in Idaho
270 does ALL of them, and very well at that. Good enough for Jack, then it's good enough for me. Guarantee that Ron will agree...
I'm a 270 guy myself and I'm not afraid to use it on anything. The only issue is getting within a range for it to be effective. Such as elk. Probably want to be under 300 yards, and for me, 200 yards is preferable. But to know the limitations of the caliber and bullet choice is key.
@maddawgnoll so you feel comfortable in Alaska with your 270, probly a 140 grain bullet?
@@concreteandgrading ya sure. Why not? Might use 150 gr. But my gun shoots best with the 130 SST. I do have a 44 mag that would be on me
@@concreteandgrading it's not the ideal choice, I get it. But it's capable. It's my go to hunting caliber and I'm very confident with it and my Tikka
I agree. I am a comfortable guy at 300yds. I use a .308 because until the kids are gone and I move out of town I don't shoot enough to trust myself farther. Knowing what your limitations are is far more important than the gun. I sincerely believe the average shooter owns a gun way more capable than they ever will be and I don't care what the cartridge is, people just listen to these guys and say well I can do that. In fact they cant because these guys shoot more in a week than most people do in a year. I am not saying there are not really good shooters out there they just tend to be rare. @@maddawgnoll
My wife used a 6.8 western on an elk this year. It did its job very efficiently. She used the 165 Accubond.
Ron is so knowledgeable yet so humble. Very much appreciate you sir!
Yes he hates the 308 win
@@titomish5914I came here to say "except he unabashedly hates on the 308"
Why would anyone care if he likes, or dislikes, any cartridge?
@@lrac7751 no one does or are we saying we care??
@@titomish5914 It seemed to me like you cared about what cartridge he dislikes
My dad lived in Alaska for years and in different places. He told me the Inuit natives loved .243 for Caribou.
243 is great
Seen a lot of 243 or 30-06 for Caribou in Alaska. More about ammo availability than any other factor. Villages are isolated and shipments are few and far between. Neither cartridge breaks the bank also.
Love .243
I missed a few animals, so I texted Ron for an update 😀 284 Win. Or 280 AI for sheep, any 7mm mag for moose and plains game, but 300 WSM also excellent. Anything 243 win or larger for cougar.
300 Win Mag is also a solid choice for sheep. And .243 Win is ideal not only for cougar, but also white tail (fixes the trajectory issue of heavier lever gun bullets).
6.5 creed
Thanks!
300 WSM is my all around one gun. Lightweight mountain rifle setup with a brake; handles beautifully. I just recently moved from factory ammo (180 Norma BondStrike) to start handloading. I can go up or down for species as needed.
Did you cover brown bear?
Love seeing your content young man. Hope your parents are good.
Now about Ron, you just can not fake wisdom. He is one that stands out among all the great outdoorsman. I watch you both every time you put out shows.
Once a soldier
Always a soldier
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Appreciate the allusion to the native people in Alaska, i'm much more familiar with the Inuk from Nunavut, worked up there couple years and made many good friends up there! They're amazing hunters, truly have a 6th sense for hunting, but same thing on the east side of the ice rink, .223, .308 is what they all use. Their general rule of thumb is .223 for everything Caribou and smaller, .308 for everything above, that including Muskox, Polar Bear and large sea mammals like Beluga, Narwal and Seals, very impressive especially considering the thickness of the skin and blubber of sea mammals.
Great content as usual, loving these uploads with Ron, cheers from Northern Quebec!
Yeah, doesn't seem to matter really,at least within a certain threshold. Shot placement is key.
I admit that I am addicted - I watch Ron Spomer Outdoors, Backfire and WhoTeeWho every single day for new content. All supremely knowledgeable and presentations are not preachy or criticizing. Thank you Jim, Ron and Adam!
Deer ..THE 270 WINCHESTER!
Ron and Jim - I went on my first Antelope hunt a couple weeks ago and took a 6.5 creedmoor. Used the 143gr eldx. Double-lung and complete pass through at 260 yards
I has a pass through on an antelope buck with a 123 grain SST from my 6.5 Grendel a couple weeks ago . Dropped him quick !
I grew up in southwest Colorado and had two rifles, a 30-30 and a 30-06. What I carried depended on WHERE I was hunting versus what I was hunted. When I was hunting in the brush country I carried my 30-30. All shots were close and with the brush you had to be fast. All other times I carried my 30-06. I've taken deer, bear and elk with the '06 and deer with the 30-30. In the brush I never saw an elk and the bear was gone before I realized it was there.
Also, in a video no longer available here, I saw Ron Spomer take an Elk with a Mossberg Patriot 7 mm Rem Mag.
A colleague of mine took an Aoudad Sheep with his .300 Win Mag. It turned and charged at him. By the time he got a second round chambered, the beast dropped. He ran 30 yards on that last heartbeat.
When I had my custom rifle built, I switched from 7 rem mag to a 7SAUM with a longer throat over a 7PRC. So far I’ve been pleased 22in barrel getting 2830 out of it with a 180 Berger hybrid.
Same here, good choice
Great discussion!!! Truly hard to beat for 2 reasons the 30-06’. 1st easily obtained factory ammo loaded from 120gr to 220gr with every type of bullets available. 2nd this ammo is in every big, little, out of the way Mom and Pop store basically around the world. It’s not the sexy choice and the newest latest greatest fanciest cartridge out there it just works on everything everywhere.
In most of Sub Saharan Africa it's more often than not the only caliber you can find.
Way better options now days over dated 3006. 300 prc 7 prc 65 prc
@@lukeclement1310 Can you walk into any backwoods general store and find 300 PRC?
@@nucleargrizzly1776I can’t find 300 prc at any gun shop in a city of 250,000 people.
@@taphillips75 That's why now I stay clear of calibers that haven't been popular for a decade or so. Got 9x23 Winchester and 6x25 Dillon barrels for Glocks and 1911s that are pretty much useless.
Ron Sooner and Jim Harmer my two favorite You Tube hosts on the same video. It doesn’t get any better!
Whenever my all-around favorite, the .358 Winchester, gets mentioned, I'm happy. Great list!
300 win mag will pretty much do it all for me.
Ron's experience reminds me of my Dad. Dad got his gunsmith license right after getting out of the Navy in 56. His handloading manual was Lyman's 2nd edition - he instilled in us a love for cartridges like the .220 Swift, .257 Roberts, 7x57 Mauser, .30-06, and anything Gibbs and Ackley. I love Ron's appreciation of the grand, old cartridges. I also appreciate the perspective Jim brings to the table. Ron isn't an old fogey and shows he isn't locked in a time warp. Jim, I'm new to your channel and I love it.🎯
WDM Bell killed everything in Africa with the 7x57 and 6.5 mm Manlicher FMJ ammo. He did not know that he needed a different cartridge for each game animal species.
I doubt any of us can match Bell. His skill, cajones, or luck. He was a unique man
And he used plain old military FMJ ammo. He knew game anatomy and the limits of his rifle. He was not subject to the guns and ammo propaganda which tries to sell new rifles and ammo.
Wow I totally agree with Ron about the best elk and mule deer cartridges. I think the reason your beloved 6.8 Western fizzled is 2-fold: The name doesn’t resonate with many people and they associate it more with a 6.5mm. And the .277 caliber itself leaves much to be desired in component selection. If they had made it the 7mm Western it probably would have done better.
The 6.8 Western cartridge is truly a silly idea, so I'm not surprised it died. Browning/Winchester are the same company and no other company wanted to support it. Pretty much died before the first rifle hit the market. Laughable!
Calling it 7mm Western wouldn't work, since the 7mm (STW) Shooting Times Westerner has been on the books for decades.
Or it might have done better marketing-wise if they had stuck the PRC label on it - like 6.8 PRC or .270 PRC.
30 Western
@@Cjtarinelli PRC name belongs to Hornady.
Just use a 270
R Spomer...Living Legend
I love these kind of discussions, super fun to think about. Thanks guys for the great content.
Ron has a plethora of knowledge. It's fun to debate the cartridge for each species. All of them work great as shot placement is king. I use the 300 WM for everything except varmints.Not that it's superior but I know how it shoots with my hand loads. A 180gr at 3000fps is devastating on everything and I know the drops out to 500 yards.. That's the most important factor.
My dad hunts with fail safe bullets to this day in 7mm mag. Loves em
Winchester said, "Let there be .308, and it was so, and he saw it was good."
Been shooting a 30-06 paired with a 4x12 Leupold and Barnes bullets for decades here in North Idaho. I use the 175gr Barnes LRX loads now but used TTSX for many years.
Dumped everything from massive Whitetail bucks on the run at 100yds, to a Spike bull at 500yds, to a 500lb fall Black Bear (a 6'11 colorphase that weighed 470lbs gutted) at 400yds. The old 30-06 has done everything ive EVER asked of it.
To me 500yds is my limit ANYWAYS, and the edge of it.
I also use my 30-06 sometimes for coyotes and varmints usin mil Surp FMJs just for fun, tho i typically use my M4 for that.
And I do shoot farther than 500yds its not that im not capable. I shoot out to 700yds on targets with my 556 Geissele M4 and my 7.62x51 AR10 but on big game animals 500 is a long long poke. I can always get within 500yds in my experience. But if i can get to 400 im much happier.
No reason for me to EVER change. I mean, plus i just have way too much 30-06 ammo stocked now to ever change my inventory 😂 lol
This episode is everything I’ve always needed.
Antelope 6BR, Whitetail/Mule 3006/7mm/308, Elk 7mm/300, Blackbear 300/3006, Moose 7mm/300, Sasqautch 375hh
Ron is the man! the 6.8 western had it's match but gun maker/ammo mfg did not like it. The 270 WSM. the barrel twist is better in the 6.8 for heaver bullets, but the 270 WSM with barnes bullet was a charm for me. I understand their was a patten rights dispute and ultimately killed off the 270 wsm. the 280ai is a great round but I think the 7 prc has smoked it now! great work Jim!
Exactly I have a 270wsm cannot find ammo anywhere the
I just bought a 7mmprc excited about it
270 Win does it all with handloads.
I really like Ron and his knowledge is insane and I learn so much from him. But, I do feel when he talks about cartridges he often speaks on very uncommon and not readily available. I feel as if an avid hunter you cannot relate to this when most of your bullets are bought off the shelf. That being said, I’m sure these cartridges are great. But I feel like other than pronghorn and others. A .270/.308/ 30-06 can be used for all these animals, as opposed to these random cartridges the common man never seen or even heard of
Caribou go down fairly easy, 270, 6.5 cm, and 7m-08 all work great, but unless you’re hunting them in the winter, you need something for grizzly bears as well. That is why the 300 wm is about the smallest most people use. The 338 wm it what most use. The biggest issue with the 338 in Alaska is finding ammo for it.
Makes sense. You are not only carrying a rifle that can take your intended game, but also that can take down the mighty grizzly if you are threatened.
Allright 6.8 western for the win
2 of my favorite gun-tubers together. A great collaboration with an interesting topic! Doesn't get better than this! 🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
Loved the frequency that Ron mentioned the .270. Probably my all around favorite. The last elk hunt my primary elk rifle (.300WSM) was damaged and I used the back up .270 with a 150 Gr Trophy Bonded tip successfully. Speaking of trophy bonded tips, Federal use to make a Trophy Bonded Bear Claw that my .270 loved. Can you recommend a good comparable bullet. Federal said the trophy bonded tip was basically the same bullet but my Rifle does not agree from a performance stand point. Enjoyed the presentation
Ron is a national treasure.
Big ol smile on your face talking to Ron 😂
Fun video. I like them all mentioned. While Im not a die hard "25" shooter.... it like the 270, does a lot!
Most any 30 caliber will do the job.
I see very little difference between a 280, and a 280 improved. So my pick in the 7mm.... is a standard 280.
If I want a compact rifle, then I'd lean towards a 7mm-08
Funny though.... I hunt with 6.5s, 358s, and 30 calibers anymore...
But I still agree with whatever you like to hunt with.
Its more about the rifle, than the calibers.
I'm always amazed with Ron's knowledge about rifle rounds! He is a perfect example of perfection on what he loves. When he talks about rifle rounds, he makes me second guess myself every time. I'm all over the place because of him. Haha darn Ron ...
For me 7mm rem mag is my do everything rifle and yes, i even coyote hunt with it
He should be knighted Sir Ron Spomer of the kingdom of hunting. What a wealth of knowledge
According to my chart 45-70 best of all.
Cartridge choices are like marriage. Generally, younger people are willing to trade what they already have that is perfectly fine and worked forever for something that is new and different to gain 100 feet per second and a couple less inches of drop lol. Chasing the newest and slightly higher performance caliber is the greatest marketing trick there is.
I know! Been there done that! I wish I would have kept that old Ruger M77 25-06 Remington it did the job on all the mule deer and antelope I harvested over the years but that was decades ago.
Always enjoy Spomer videos, excellent collab
My dad has an 1885 in .300 WSM that he rebuilt a custom forend for because it was cracked, shot a 3.5 inch 5 shot group at 770 yards with it. Insanely accurate rifles
I just took two whitetail bucks with 450 Bushmaster using Federal 300 gr in southern Michigan’s no rifle zone. One was at 30 yards the other at 160. The results were impressive.
30-06 period
Awesome and informative. Two great hunters having a talk.
One of your best guest videos EVER!! Well done Jim!! WELL DONE!!
Love Ron casually mentioning Darrel Holland. Hometown gun smith, little tiny Powers, OR.
I grew up in Coquille, near Powers. My buddies and I loved hunting in that area and swimming in the S Fork of the Coquille. I loved that area
Awesome seeing two of my favorites in hunting related shooting videos collaborating!
The only thing I take issue with is saying all eastern hunters don't shoot over 150 yards. Agriculture fields and cutovers offer a lot of longer range shots as well as gas and electric lines. My average shot at deer is probably around 250 yards.
Love the collaboration between you two all stars. And Ron been there and done that on so many hunts he's living the dream!
What about 416 rigby with copper solids for elephant...that thing seems to be unstoppable...
Great discussion. Fun. For larger game I basically only have 4 calibers available to me. 223, 243, 30-30 and 7mm win mag. Wouldn’t mind 270 or 308 but I don’t really need either one. I have stayed away from harder to find calibers on purpose.
We need these two to go on a hunt together.
Wow, We want more of Ron, please.
17 hmr for squirrel
30 06 for everything else
This is awesome, I have learned more about hunting, shooting and guns from the two of you than I have anywhere else on the internet combined, it really made my day when I hopped on and saw this on my feed!
To take a 6.5 close on deer over a 308 is crazy to me. Ask deer trackers what caliber they track behind the most
260 rem is a great whitetail cartrige
I shoot 2 rifles almost exclusively for everything except small game and feathers. A .308 savage 110 tactical, and a Remington 700 in 300 win mag. Both are tack driver accurate. Both are very capable at the standard range most game shots are taken, however the win mag is my choice when hunting terrain where longer range shots are more common. The .308 is capable for longer shots, however I tend to limit myself to 300yards or less with it. The same thing is true for me and my .300 win mag when I limit my shots to 500-600 yards with it. Can I take most game at longer ranges with either? Absolutely. I just prefer to wait until I get a better shot or pass on the shot.
7mm-08 pushing 140 accubonds at almost 3000 fps seems to always work for me, I also have 25-06 and 300 weatherby but the 7mm-08 always impresses
You can spend a lot more money, you can tell yourself you look much cooler with the 'more modern' rifles, but you will never find one that takes game better than a Winchester Model 70
yup.
I’ll stick with the do it all 30-06.
I could could honestly listen to this all day. Thank you for putting this together!
Native Alaskans Have been taking Reindeer, Moose, Polar Bears, Seals with 16/20in 556 ARs and AKMs in x39.
Let’s all admit the largest caliber in the room is Ron’s forearm vein, heck those things look like elevator cables
Ron is a legend. Love his insights on calibers and rifles.
Longer bullets also increase sectional density.
You all forgot the Oryx.
Great point, good thinking
I recently bought the 300 WSM in Tikka t3x haven't had time to go to the range yet,but from reviews it looks great.
30:30 and 45:70 all you need . Sam fadala handloaded 30/30 to 300 yards for pronghorn
Those two cartridges, the .30-30 Win. in a Winchester model 94 lever-gun) and the .45-70 Govt. cartridge are still used in Alaska for Black Bear, Brown Bear, Moose, Walrus by the native Alaskans and several of the professional Hunting Guides/Outfitters use the tried and true .45-70 Govt. cartridge in a Marlin Model 1895 "Cowboy", often as back-up when guiding the vacation trip hunters from the Lower 48. That .45-70 has some real Sectional Density and frontal size.
30-30 has some modern bullets . Buffalo bore has Hawk Bullet 190 grains for bear defense. Barnes also came out with 190 grains @@gusloader123
@backfire I take caribou with 222rem and 243win - worth noting I am an indigenous hunter and this is within hunting regulations where I am and each one I've taken dropped in it's tracks
30-06 has entered that chat.
The last hunt I had was for Audads,I actually went twice ,these were free roaming .On the first hunt we saw very few mature animals I had only one shot at a good ram but he was running and away from me to boot,this was in Feb 2017 . My son and I went back in Oct 2018 ,he took a 32” ram on the first day and I shot a33” the second day . On the second hunt we saw a lot of mature ram. I was 86 years old then I,m 91 now and do not hunt anymore due to equilibrium problems. Now I relive my hunts on You Tube
162 sst on a 7mm my favorite
I know bringing up the 7WSM is going to make some of you think I’m only discussing it because it is what I have. This is true but I do have multiple other cartridges. They are mostly classics.
What a great conversation! Thank you, sirs.
Pronghorn: 0:55
Hogs: 1:50
Coyote: 2:15
Deer (Mule/Western/Open vs Whitetail): 3:16
Elk: 7:21
Everything - One Rifle to do it all: 9:36
Aoudad: 10:57
Black Bear: 13:54
Caribou: 16:00
Elephant: 24:40
Prairie Dogs: 26:35
Great video and I loved the questions? I would like the two of you add the following species to your list. And then give your answers. Moose, sheep, goat, cougar, bison, grizzle bear and wolf.
Thanks for sharing.
It was really nice and I appreciate the collab! That said, I would use my sig cross in 308, 175gn for everything.
Shot my pronghorn w my 2506 last year!
Ron has great judgement for caliber use!
To: "Backfire" ---> Put up the completed list on the screen so we can see the votes/ideas!
I wish Jim would take this wisdom to heart. We don’t need to have the newest cartridge (which the firearms industry prefers) to do the job and do it well. Every 6.8 Western mention lowers my belief in long-term viability in this channel, which is unfortunate because I love it. I have wasted too many dollars on guns and cartridges that were the ‘next big thing.’
Ron is Epic!... but really wish we'd get off the 7PRC bandwagon, marginally better performance than a 7SAUM/7-300WSM but a whole lot more gun in a long action... I run a 7 SAUM in a medium action, pushing the same velocity at 3.2 COAL (180gr 3000fps). Still leaves a lot of room in a long action, they could have lengthened the case enough to really push 195/197gr then we'd have a new cartridge to talk about. Ps. I'm a fan of all other Hornady rounds, just think this one is taking the mainstream in the wrong direction.
Thank you for finally making a video I could watch all the way through.
Why all of these rds that are sometimes hard to find especially if you are very rural . I found the best most versatile rds are the 300 win Mag, when in Africa I used a 375 , very simple 30/30 30/06 270, 300 win mag if you can’t take everything in North America with those round you should stay home
30-30 is so underestimated.
300 win mag/7mm mag for anything over 150 yards, 45-70 for anything under it.