@@georgebsth tbf, that small child was intentionally feeding Giant fight between mech suit junkies and giant hex tech weapons, and he didn't even take cover or anything!
I think it's worth noting that when Jayce, Ekko, and Himerdinger first enter the hexgate failsafe, the room is very cold and you see there breath constantly. Then when Jayce comes back, the entire time you can see his breath still, showing the room is still very cold. You know who's breath you can't see? Salo. At no point is Salo's breath visible. In my eyes this means one of two things, either whatever Salo has become isn't producing body heat, or it isn't breathing...
this line of thought is often replicated, but don't forget that Viktor himself doesn't feel cold anymore (from the scene where he comes out from the first cocoon and meets Jayce in the lab), so it really is possible that their bodies become colder when touched by hextech/arcane, therefore not producing steam from their breath. Although they still seem to need to eat, since they are planting stuff in the community, their bodies are supposed to be "evolved" or freed from some restraints the human body is supposed to have. So it's not so much that they aren't alive/breathing
Mhm, everyone in the fandom thinks Jayce is some big bad villain the most evil person in the show... but the dark truth is he actually could be the true savior not Viktor.
Something no one ever seems to bring up is that when Viktor first ever touched the Hexcore, Heimerdinger told him, "Viktor, something's different. You've changed." Which is very similar to Viktor's line to Jayce where he says, "You seem different. Something happened." Then brings up that Jayce has touched the arcane as well. So something about interacting with the Arcane directly is important here.
Because its the World Rune messing with their minds. "Rune of Madness" just google "Shard of Madness" its a World Rune looks exactly like the Aura coming off the Hexcore too. In ryze Cinematic u also see the Red World Rune give of same kind of aura just red
The sound of Salo's death is very similar to the sound of dying voidlings in the league. Bel'veth makes the same sound when she absorbs the crystal and turns into a monster
Nah, it sounds more like the hammer sound effect, obliterating Salo with a heavy force and electric pulse. Bel's sound effects is so much deeper, its creepy and sounds alive. Jayce's hammer sound effect in S2 has the same charactistic as his previous from S1, its electric, its vibrating/pulsating and its way more heavy but it has clearly changed after he was brought back from the anamoly but the charactistic is still there, its more darker though, probably because its been infused with a wild rune effect, a "pissed off Arcane" like Ekko said
"Yordles do not age in the same way as beings of the material realm do thanks to being creatures of the spirit realm and therefore have different concepts of aging.[3] In The Meaning in Misery, it was revealed Yordles also don't die." So heimer saying he's 300 could be his perception but to humans he's actually much older than that. Yordles are from the spirit realm too so if a yordle says some magic lookin scary I'm listening
Mostly right but I think it’s more about time doesn’t flow normal when your in bandle city or the “yordle realm” (blanking on the name for it)so he could’ve spent a few years in bandle city but 100s passed on runeterra
I still think Veigar is one of the oldest known Yordles though. Yordles dont exactly age like humans, so they just look old for being young. Maybe just headcanon but i REALLY would get a kick from the eccentric traumatized powerful mage being the oldest of everyone
@ I think they age relatively normally when they are walking the earth but when they enter bandle city it has a sort of time dilation effect making years pass on runeterra while it seems like days to the yordles in bandle city
Jayce was Right. The "healed" aren't Breathing! The "healed" are slowly losing their humanity. The moment they come back to reality you'll notice Salo isn't even breathing, you can't see his breath in the air.
@@Catalanskrrno it could not in episode 3 jayce heimer and ekko all have breaths in the weird dome zone. we also see the only 2 relevant "healed people" have the exact same personality and do not feel anything. no fear, no sadness nothing. salo can clearly be seen just being there and unexplucably happy. the salo from before wouldve been scared by jayce if he looked like that, he's a man who gets scared easily, he's impulsive, yet he stayed calm, kept the smile and kept walking. when huck was confronted by zangief and zangief was about to just outright kill him huck just didn't care at all because he can't feel fear. not only that but jayce sees them as empty husks. there is a reason all the dialog we have with healed individual seems very typical and robotic, its because it is. they aren't healed nor are they human. viktor just gives the body hesling in exchange for their souls and humanity basically
@@ΚρανίΩ They do feel sadness and happiness. We see it when Huck is healed and also see him breathing. Again, we see concern and nervousness (and more breathing) when Huck stops Jinx and Vi at the gate. People keep saying the Husks don't breathe, but Huck breathes and Viktor breathes. I think they're still people. But I am wildly suspicious of the Hex core and sky.
@@Catalanskrr I never got to that conclusion or even noticed it, but I really think there are no animation mistakes in this show. I mean, especially if they cared about attention to the point that you can see Jayce's breath in the same scene with Salo....
@@SuchIsLife24 That's a fact at this point bro What I believe is the most important foreshadowing about that story arch is this line "The inspiration for our greatest good is also the cause of our greatest evil" And.. Peace, love, hate and anger are 2 sides of the same coin If you understand those 2 comments, then you know what is coming and what the commune was before Jayce did what he did I won't drop spoilers on you based on lore But that imo... Is the part that helps is understand it all It took me days to work that out btw lol
It needed to absorb her. At the time it was missing 1 of the 5 runes - Inspiration. Her entire walk down the hallway towards her death she was talking to herself about how "inspired" she was and how much Viktor inspired her. The cover of her notebook is also the shape of the inspiration rune in league of legends, which pretty much confirms it for me that she completed the missing piece of the hexcore. What that means however, and how much of her apparent consciousness inside the hexcore is actually "Sky"... I'm not sure. She seems to change more and more each time we see her, evolving alongside Viktor and the hexcore. Really looking forward to the final act and hope to get a lot more context about this.
@@crownhouses2296 It is But the issue is... He only included people who are very unwell, or disabled It genuinely seems like Viktor wants to help, and maybe he doesn't fully understand this stuff himself yet Maybe. I am saying a hive mind doesn't have to be the evil we see in most sci-fi movies If Viktor explains all of this to anyone who wants his help and they agree willingly Then he is doing nothing wrong Now you and myself know Viktor is more like a bad guy than Jayce is, in the game So we have a little more to work with But if you only know the show... You can literally see things at this point, going either way Jayce looks like he's insane with his headaches and illusions etc... Viktor seems like himself in many ways, and Viktor before absorbing the core was a very genuinely good person So it's easy to see how fans who know nothing about lore, think that way I can see both because I haven't played the game I don't real much about game lore etc... But I have read enough to know who's right and who is wrong here... The show hasn't shown that yet though, the show has left 2 possibilities imo and one of them makes Jayce the bad guy Even if there's a hive mind
@@mrgankyogurl252 Yes I can read and watch videos with lore and possible spoilers also lol But if you look at the show without any of that stuff... It is easy to believe Jayce just destroyed a peaceful commune It's very pretentious to pretend everyone should know this when the show hasn't shown any of this... I watched the show and I thought, and I believed it could go either way... Jayce good or bad and same did Viktor Now I have read lore Peoples opinions based on lore etc Now I can say yeah Viktor is the bad guy But at this point, the show hasn't made that clear It's only clear to us because we know more than the show shown us So just stop it man Stop looking down your noses at people because you found spoilers that some people don't want to know... You're not smarter because you got help from the online community to put it all together And neither am I ✌️
I feel that not Even Viktor was trully aware of the hivemind. Like with the hexcore experiments he was to focused on the "helping" to See what was happening
@@lorpuz4664 Or... He did know but he didn't see the problem with a hive mind In fact I'm not sure I see the problem with that if it's done the way Viktor was doing it Because it still helped people No one was forced into it People still had their own personalities and they still retained their memories etc But it did cure peoples illnesses etc, and it never hurt anyone outside of the commune Now he has realised that hate etc is the different side of the same coin, and an important part of it in a way... That your greatest good leads to your greatest evil How do you think that will play out? Assuming he returns? Maybe it was always a good thing, maybe the hive mind isn't a problem because it did help, no one was forced and people retained a lot of themselves still etc Viktor was pure good, purely peaceful throughout the whole commune part of the show So he learned that just one side of that coin doesn't work, pure peace and love doesn't work, it resulted in his death and the end of the commune I think he returns with not only wanting to help those who want help... I think he will return wanting to help and incorporate literally everyone, and do that against their will Because he now embraces the opposite side of the coin to peace Does that make sense? I know we all think hive mind = bad because 99% of the time in all media, it's bad But was the way it seemed to work here really that bad? I'm not sure it was But if Viktor uses it differently... It could be very bad And I think that's what we will get on Saturday Someone who is forcing it on people instead of only helping people And no longer pure peace to achieve his goals
The song that plays when Jayce touches the wild rune, Ashes and Blood, basically spells out the entire thing. The first few verses feel like a deliverate warning to Jayce and victor. Take a look You walk along the edge of danger And it will change you Why would you let this voice set in your head? It is meant to destroy you You summon storms, you play with nature Now watch it hurt you Why would you want to shape the world in your hands? You will never make it through
not only these verses... in continue... You waste your life to gain power (VICTOR) You shift the game rules How does it feel to reach the line that no one ever got to cross? Does it make you a god now? (VICTOR WITH HIS STAFF) Every sin will be forgiven If you lay down your weapons to the ground Catch the fire burning out your soul Just make it die(THE HEXCORE) or you will turn it all Catch the fire burning out your soul Just make it die (THE HEXCORE OR THE VOICE I GUESS) or you will turn it all in ashes and blood (THE VISIONS OF HEIMERDINGER WITH WILDIFIRES AND PEOPLE SUFFERING AND KILLED) in ashes and blood in ashes and blood in ashes and blood in ashes and blood.
Viktor was the Lich King with a heart of Gold not realizing that he is still deeply mortal and slowly perishing, and when he dies, each of his converts becomes a cyborg zombie infection vector. That tracks with Viktor's old lore of forced conversion ala Doctor Who's Cybermen.
@@yuwi1783 because there are only about 300 of them right now... If Viktor continues there will be 3000 of them and they will have been distributed across society and even to other cities. Think ultimate quarantine. If it can be contained to one city it can be stopped.
@@yuwi1783 might be ye ol' self-fulfilling prophecy Assuming Jayce saw the future of Viktor's efforts, his attempt to end it all by killing Viktor might have been what triggered the Herald's true pursuit of Glorious Evolution--this time without that pesky and unstable human element Who knows? Maybe all would have been kosher had Jayce left well enough alone. We won't know until the rest of the season is out
I wish the last episode was like an hour long, I have faith but I get scared it’s gonna feel to rushed. But if it is, at least I enjoyed the experience thus far.
Yordle's don't count the years they spend in Bandle City as age. If they remain in Bandle City they can live forever. So Heimerdinger has spent a bit over 300 years NOT in Bandle CIty. He could have popped out during the rune wars, then retreated for a thousand years, then emerged once again to found a city that rejected magic as a founding principle.
I don't know much about LoL lore beyond Arcane, but the way everyone reacted when Viktor died definitely has me raising eyebrows. I don't think Viktor was intentionally doing harm to them but I do think his 'saving' them wasn't as straightforward as it seemed.
NGL I love Arcane but I quickly left fan groups because they went absolutely nuclear after that episode with "Jayce greatest monster in the world destroyed the most beautiful colony ever and killed my most beloved baby!" Chill people dude did nothing wrong
Some people were so obsessed with Viktor that they couldn't comprehend he was in the wrong or would do anything wrong so they hate on Jayce and don't read any of the subtext that basically screams that the commune is bad and dangerous. They can only read at surface level and are blinded by their favouritism.
I think it's also in part because Jayce has always been a bit pompous, out of touch, and unreliable. He constantly flip flops his goals and actions. Breaks promises, just to uphold them, just to break them. Says Heimer is wrong, then he is right. He has been building resentment in the community then he goes all scorched earth, and add to that we don't have the context from the final act just yet to clarify anything. For me, whether or not Jayce was in the right for shooting Viktor, has no bearing on my disliking him. I will say though I kinda think that was intentional and I think he is written very well.
I meant that's the point of the episode. They made us think jayce is at fault here while hinting something is wrong. Some people take a hint and make a theory Some take a hint and ignore them And some don't see it at all But As someone told me. Good movie made people sit on a table and talk.
@@Cyfog10 To me that just makes him a realistic character. He believes in himself too much but when he is confronted with the facts he changes his mind. He doesnt want to make weapons but piltover needs weapons to fight agaisnt Zaun and their chemtech and he is the only one who can make them, not to mention all the grief that he feels over the attacks on piltover. Of course he is going to think Heimer is wrong about his hextech when it is his lifes work but when he sees evidence of corruption he starts to second guess himself. He isn't a character that flipflops, he is a character who is having his ideals and morals challenged and when that happens you tend to adjust those things. One thing that has stayed pretty consistent is his love for Viktor and the trust he has in him, so for him to kill Viktor must mean he saw something truly challenging to his beliefs.
I think Jayce was IS right, but not why we think based some of the things this video pointed out that i missed. I think those creatures Jayce is seeing are what happens to Viktors people after he dies without reaching his final evolution. They get corrupted by the void. But i think killing Viktor here allows him to evolve. The hexcore at the hex gate takes control of his followers to resurrect him. This makes him evolve into something like a shuriman ascended. The butterfly motiff and the weird cocoon he's living in I think is the best proof i have for this theory. It looks an awful lot like the sun disk of the shuriman empire. There is a butterfly affect from the moment Jayce tries to kill the hexcore and that triggers Viktors final glorious evolution. Whether thats a good or a bad thing is hard to say, but i think viktor might get some time powers out of it, and he sends jayce to the other reality to convince him to kill him. Weird time loop shenanigans basically.
This idea made me think for sure! I like it but that character seems so different from Jayce in terms of body shape. Viktor is possible but I still think Ryze is more likely
@@entgroveI thought it was Jayce at first, too. But yeah- the lithe body shape of the mage got me. I also don’t think it’s Viktor- since Viktor’s hands are all arcane-mechified. The hands of the mage have lines and runes, and notably- skin. Trusting the lore experts on Ryze for this one, ha.
12:10 I don’t think the top is a “crown,” I think it’s literally showing how Salo is becoming empty, and how the other healed people will eventually become hollow, eaten out alive by the Arcane, consumed and replaced by these weird, metallic exoskeleton shells. Like you said, Jayce might be seeing what these people are/become in alternate dimensions due to interacting with the arcane, due to being reassembled and reforged by the arcane. Think how empty and peaceful these people act, how they kinda float through their activities in a detached way. Even that weird bell that was being rung when Vander is first brought up to Viktor, it barely resonates, and seems to be swinging so slowly that the bell barely rings with a gentle toll, like there’s barely contact inside to strike and make the sound. That’s what it feels like is going on inside these people’s heads. Gently functioning, but not really-floating, restrained, and distant.
idk if anyone has mentioned this, but around 13:00 when the red is going in front of jayce and salo, for jayce his skin is dark, muted, the eyes are bright, as well as the teeth. for salo, the skin is bright almost like a metal mask and the eyes are dark and void of light.
Also getting a Fallout4 Synth vibe as well. The Synth's that don't know they are synths until they are given the command. Viktor is a puppet but doesn't realize it, you see the strings twice. Once hanging loose when he first energes, then at the end with him suspended in the air by lines, very much like a marionette.
@@blugger Yeah the tethers seemed to fade into another plane. The tethers aren't always visible. They may be what is connecting Viktor to that body. Later in the cocoon you see the tethers, and those might be connecting him to all the other drones. Jayce's flashes are him seeing what is inside of these people, very much the robo drones you see Jinx fighting in the "Get Jinx'd" music video.
I think Jayce is also being manipulated or miss guided, he has corruption in his wrist (probably also inside him) and in his hammer (even the gemstone is different), so it's possible what ever or whoever send him back probably send him with the idea of preventing a possible future or the actual future but in reality he is just making it happen, Viktor knew that his power was finite and was ok with this idea because he rejected to use Vander already but now that he's almost dying probably the hexcore trying to save itself will change him (or also Singed, he already saw him as the answer to save his daughter so now that no one is there to stop him he can gets his hands on Viktor)
You will jump back, get 3 dogded lobbies, then you get a game with teammates that start flaming since 1 minute, you get afk in 5th minute with teammates refusing to surrender and you will rage quit. There, dont do it, the game is cancer. Not worth going back.
Wepons arent permited in victors colonie but the jayce had one yet the kid still led him to victors main body so maybe a part of victor knew what he was there to do
He did: when Salo died the wild rune gave him a vision of Jayce killing him, also killing salo on its own is pretty clear Jayce wasnt on his way with cookies lol. Later Viktor asks Singed if he believes in fate; hinting that he knows whats coming. Then when Viktor is dying he says he finally understands why the wild rune showed him the vision, to show him the root of all Evil/Good in the world is caused by our own humanity. The final context being the only way to escape our Chaos/War/Annihilation is to remove our HUMANITY, act 3 is about to be hella dark.
It makes sense that for members commune to do that because they're all literally radically altered by hex tech AND they're probably just assuming jayce was exactly as Viktor's first convert (willing to harm until fixed). After all, a punch girl and a homicidal maniac led a giant beast monster and-worse-a TEEMO into camp and Viktor was handling all that perfectly fine! Now, why *Viktor* didn't do anything about the very real threat he literally saw coming...no idea
i think shimmer is extracted from things that have been touched by the void. so when its combined with a hexcore it gets corrupted, and the corruption starts to spill over into the actual arcane as well. or maybe its just a property of the arcane, having both an ordered form and a wild form.
I kinda feel like Jayce is gonna cause the very thing that he came back to prevent; as Singed is a wild card that nobody knew about so no way in hell would Jayce know that by killing Victor he'd ensure his resurrection as the Herald
In season 1 episode 2, there's a scene with purple shimmer veins on the floor and walls. When Marcus stepped on one, there's a high-pitched screech -- similar to the commune souls of season 2 episode 6. Thought that was worth mentioning Edit: timestamp for scene in comments
@@BoredInMyBackyard That's interesting man... I already assumed the Shimmer was the cause for the hexcore being corrupt, and that seems to basically proves it I will rewatch from episode 1 once the last act is released and hopefully notice that myself now
this is such a good catch yo! i thought the screams sounded really similar to something voidy, like malzahar's voidlings when they die, so it really feels like shimmer is related to the void
I think Jayce saw the mistake of not destroying hextech / corrupted hexcore when victor asked him to, and learned that victor was no longer there, or alive himself. (His followers not needing to breath or have free agency)
3:23 Yordels experience time differently then mortal beings while they are in bandle city, which is located outside of time in a sense. So Haimer can be only 300 years form his perspective, while on runtera a millennium could've already passed. The timeline would make little sense considering noxus is around 900 years old at the time of arcane and it was established long after the rune wars
I think Jayce is currently combined with several different versions of him (from other timelines, perhaps). We see him, Ekko, and Heimer being broken apart into abstract hextech / time shenanigans and he's 'reassembled' at the end of ep 5. I think this is what causes him to (mentally) struggle staying 'whole' as he sometimes seems to almost break apart. It's as if he's fused with 3 other selves that are all constantly talking in his head, and he does his best to keep reminding himself of that mantra "I won't fail, I swear it" (which reaaally sounds like a promise to Ekko/Heimerdinger). I could also be completely wrong of course, I'm so intrigued to see what caused him to go from puking upon the sight of corpses to killing Salo and Viktor.
Yeah I agree with this and was surprised the video didn't mention it. Jayce is actively being re-fused with himself from other timelines as he's walking towards Viktor. It's clearly very painful and disorienting, but he actually seems to get more focused every time it happens once he recovers.
I don't understand all the hate towards Jayce I mean people act like Jayce wants to destroy other people's happiness... His mission was just to stop Viktor after he OBVIOUSLY saw terrible things that was shown pretty clearly
lots of people hate men that aren't established as underpriviliged, an obvious person of colour or physically/mentally impaired, especially if they're in a higher position of power. He makes understandable mistakes and tries his best to do the correct course of action but is hated just due to his "vibes" and mistakes. I'd argue that most of the cast are morally worse off than him but expect to see more fans defending a terrorist than jayce, especially since hes blamed for the viktor and vander situation at first glance
People are hating on him from the mindset that his actions led to Vander being basically dead and stuck as Warwick and Isha sacrificing herself, that's why most people are hating on him. Viktor's powers were one of the only things at the time keeping Vander slightly in control and now that he's dead Vander doesn't have control anymore and is basically gone. I know a bit about the original LoL lore so I knew why Jayce did it but I couldn't help hate him a bit also after how everything played out.
@@nununa7963 What are you talking about? The first part of your response has nothing to do with this topic but the him being blamed for the vander situation and Isha dying are why most people dislike him right now. It has nothing to do with what you mentioned in the beginning of your comment
@@Nerolir-kf9okIt is heavily implied that Singed succesfully aplied the serum to Vander causing his rampage, it bothers me how little the serum is taken into consideration when Vander literally turns into fricking lava. I get how at first glance it may be simply because Viktor died, but I swear it's like they really want everything to be on Jayce's shoulders because they don't like the character
@system_ai9248 There's literally a whole montage of Viktor using his powers to untether Vander from the beast, it's implied that the reason why Vander was stable was a combination of remembering his daughters and Viktor's powers. Viktor dying removed his influence from the people he healed which of course caused Warwick to come back in full effect. I know the original jayce and viktor lore but people who've never interacted with arcane don't and I can understand why they see the last episode and hate jayce for his actions. They're going to see in later episodes why he did what he did but Isha died and Vander turned permanently into Warwick, two characters people are attached to so it's not hard to see why people blame Jayce for losing those two characters cause he's technically is the cause of it
Man, that intro took me out. SO good lol. I saw this theory on twitter about the mage that saved Jayce being Viktor, which kind of makes the timeloop thing more plausible. But I also don't think that's what's going on. My main issue right now is trying to figure out where on the timeline this is happening, because if we go by what's in the Realms of Runeterra book, Heimerdinger would have to be like 1000 years old to have seen the Rune Wars in any capacity (I know that time works differently in Bandle City and for Yordles). Also, if you look when Viktor and Sky are ruminating about the entity Jayce has with him, look at Viktor's chest. There's a friggin black hole in it where Jayce wrecks his shit later.
Thanks Yuumi!! The 1000 years thing is confusing me to. Only thing to make it 1k years is like your saying. He saw it, went to Handle city where time works differently, returned about 900 years later which was only 100 years for him or something
I have two guesses as to why Jayce did this, either an alternate timeline Viktor made him swear to save his alternate from a FAR worse fate. Or Jayce saw that Victor is inadvertently forming a cyborg zombie apocalypse. Right now only Viktor can convert someone with a touch, but each time it weakens Viktor, until he shall ultimately die, then each of these drones become inhabited by "Something Else" as they are now empty vessels. Then each of these "Drones" can now convert people with a touch. I found it interesting that the only drones that screech are the ones that were Shimmer Wretches healed by Viktor. When Viktor "Dies" the prior Shimmer users are the first to be "Occupied".
I do feel like Jayce is being sent by Ekko and Heimer to fix things, and get them out. Ekko must have seen, or visited multiple timelines, and knows what has to happen to free them, and put things on a path that they want. We saw in the previews for season 2, that Ekko is going to have the Zdrive in the big climax. Also looks like Singed is going to save Viktor, and most likely Viktor will be the one that involuntarily creates Orianna, either thanking Singed for saving him, or being forced to. Since they've retconned/ merged Singed's lore with Orianna's father.
For what we have seen in screen it logically could go either way Yes Viktor creates hive minds etc But he is only using this on people who need healing... Some people would rather live that way than as a disabled or dying person There's nothing directly Evil in his choices imo Plus Viktor is a good person, even if him bonding with the core makes him less good That said... Jayce knows something Well we also see Jayce seeing illusions etc That makes it look bad, like Jayce is being controlled But obviously, like yourselves... I have read people's theories and game lore And I know Jayce is right and Viktor is wrong But the show hasn't really shown this yet So it's really not the fans fault
even if viktor died, warwick wouldn't go completely ballistic let alone LAVA, it was because of singed serum :'(( I think ambessa is the true killjoy for the happy family of jinx and vi
Is it possible Jayce was sent back to the war and saw how even with good intentions it only leads to the end of the world. Or this is Viktor taking control of Jayce and trying to stop himself
You may be onto something. Everybody speculates that he went into the future but then he should already know about Viktors powers. But when talking to Salo he seems genuinely suprised thay Viktor can communicate through him.
@davidtellnojokes5277 I didn't really even notice that his kinda surprised by what Viktor has become more than knowing what his capable of. Also if he knew what Viktor was going to become he wouldn't have shot him, causing a man already losing faith in the world lose his final attempt at fixing it. Instead he would've tried to guide Viktor away from the future he saw
Yep he either went back in time to the rune wars or into a more distant future where everyone was already dead and the world was taken over by the Arcane/ Void
I LOVE IT. At first watch we be like JAYCE RUINED EVERYTHING ! But careful observations reveal more and MORE, like how Vander was actually INJECTED to his painful Lava like state ETC.
Eh that was more then likely Singed injecting Vander with the serum to completely remove his humanity as he is seen in the house standing even though he was knocked out.
The shattered "wild rune church" that Viktor lives is much like the wild rune that appears twice when Jayce trips balls. He was probably seeing the future he had to turn into reality. Also, quite a few of the godly spirits (heroes) are shown in flashes. What we're seeing may be an arcane fight using mankind as puppets
Here me out. I think the Arcane is a representation of A.I in today's world. The endless possibilities that mankind can achieve with such level of computation, almost magical, almost... arcane-like. Nowadays we see and sometimes even consume A.I generated content i.e voices, images, texts, videos, etc. To generate something based of many sources to create intended outcomes is almost chaotic in of itself, the whole process, at least to the extent of what we can comprehend with our flawed minds. But the at the same time A.I much like hextech/Arcane can be redirected; controlled chaos almost; whether for good or bad, however there is a fine line between what good and bad depending on the person that believes it to be. "In pursuit of greatness, we failed to do good." There is greatness in the Arcane/A.I it is neutral, a tool for purpose. The good and bad resides within the hearts of the people that use "this" tool. The tool is perfect, the user is not, thus we end up repeating the very thing we ultimately want to avoid, pure chaos. Controlled chaos vs Pure Chaos
Shimmer comes from that weird, axolotl looking creature that Singed was keeping alive. I know its a long stretch but... what if that creature is from The Void? Or at least corrupted by the void, thats why its the last of their species, every other died because of the void. So shimmer would be that thing blood with void essence
Great video. I never caught the “Viktor holding his staff” in Jayce’s visions. It took me awhile to see Viktor’s face, ha. Singed seems involved with bringing Viktor back. Maybe with the use of Warwick’s mutation. The theory of the commune members as batteries is fascinating, and I think true! Great reminder of Jayce’s character change. Throwing up on the bridge to killing Salo. So far- the puzzle pieces of the season are fitting together really interestingly. Learning the later importance of the spoiled counselor member Salo turning into a commune member- and showcasing the strangeness of the arcane within the commune members is masterclass. Subscribed. :)
i think that core deep underground was probably corrupted by victor's blood , in act1 he was coffing near a big pit , and heimer see's where that drop fell on the floor, you can see it corrupted the floor, this might mean its connected with victor somehow :D
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Personally, I don't think the promise Jayce made to not fail was to Heimerdinger and Ekko (though it's a reasonable theory and could prove true). I think he made the promise to Viktor in another timeline. Really though, my only evidence is that Jayce has done EVERYTHING for Viktor up to this point, and I don't think Heimerdinger and Ekko could extract a promise like that out of him to kill Viktor. I think VIKTOR is the only person who could actually convince Jayce to give up their Hextech dream and to let him die in order to save the world, otherwise I think Jayce would just fight it forever (and IMO, those overlays while he's shooting at Viktor are other times he's done this and was more resistant, more angry, more sad, and failed as a result, that's why he has to be so grim and focused this time) and perhaps HAS already fought it for a long time before coming to the conclusion that it must be done, but only for Viktor's sake.
Another good catch I've seen someone point out, in the room where Jayce is with Salo, the room is cold, Jayce's breathing has steam coming out, as well as Ekko and Heimerdinger beforehand, but Salo doesn't have steam, he doesn't have body temperature at all. I fully believe that whatever Viktor is doing isn't what he thinks, he isn't saving anyone, they're becoming lifeless husks devoid of their own thought for some terrible purpose, there's no way the arrogant Salo would become a cult follower willingly, I imagine he would at least thank him but then he would go back to his own life with his legs healed, but his speech and mannerisms were uncannily different from his usual self.
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I feel like even if viktors body dies, that his consciousness will still be alive, and how he matches more with his league self will be like a steel body made for or by him
@@entgrove She is Chekhov's corpse right now. Either she will rise in glorious mechanical evolution or just be a teaser for the future. I personally think it would be better to use her if they showed her. Also it makes sense. Singed is more a chemist than an engineer and she is all metal. She has no shimmer tanks like his other experiments.
12:32 If you see there, Salo's breath does not show like Jayce, and if you go back to the scene where the Heimer, Ekko and Jayce were there, you can see that, that room is very cold!
7:38 its a property of Both , a property of sentience . I think thats also what Victor concluded at the end . Singed said Evolution is the driving force of Life , which is true for us . But for Arcane or Arcane enhanced life (life from this world) there is a fate . I think its because Arcane is time transcending .
I think there are some parallels with this future/alternate timeline Jayce sees and the battlecast/eternum universe that some champions have skins for. Namely the organic metal creatures that take over the world. For some reason the particle effects that come off Jayce's hammer when he was about to shoot the kid reminded me of Eternum Nocturne skin and made this connection. It would be cool to see since that universe is essentially one that focus's around Victor. Also it would be cool that that other mind inside Jayce is actually a different version of Viktor and maybe Jayce's appearance mimicking Victor's is the hint also Victor is the only one that can "fuse" objects to people.
Bro, how do you still only have three thousand subs? These videos are a joy to watch. I hope your channel grows quickly because you deserve it (and that intro with "with forty two consecutive victories, including a small child" took me out. I laughed way harder than I want to admit)
3:20 I think that Heimerdinger witnessed the rune war and retreated into the bandle city where time flows very differently, so him witnessing something thousands of years ago, but being only 300 years old makes sense
Hexcore is giving off the same power aura as the World Runes in Ryze cinematic. Heimer said he had seen something simlar before and it flashbacks to Rune Wars. World Rune of Madness gives off the same power aura as the Hexcore. Could it be The World Rune of Madness calling out to Viktor getting him to make the Hexcore. The World Rune is tricking Viktor into thinking hes healing people but hes actually just turning them into people he can mind controll. Could it be the World Rune is hidden deep in Zaun and thats why Viktor goes down there? The Hexcore Leads him down there. In the Ryze cinematic. Ryze says that the World Runes call out and wants to be used. Cant see them pulling in the Void into this story when they already made so much ground work for Runes, Rune magic, and flashbacks from Runewars
Here’s your comments so RUclips can recommend you more. I appreciate you dedicating a video explaining the ending of the hextec sub arch. Now I have a grasp of what happened and how to think for the last 3 episodes for this Saturday
Jinx = Destroy future of Piltover and Zaun by terrorist attack on the Citadel - fans: "Go girl" Jayce = keep his promise which he gave to the friend - fans: "What a evil"
If you really think about it. None of them are innocent. Jinx killed members of the council but as far as we're told no civilians are killed. The Council who was purposely oppressing Zaunites. Jayce's technology is what enabled her to do this. Along with fact he killed a kid, nearly killed another. Him taking out Viktor also directly leads to what happens at the end of episode 6 of s2. The enforcers killed by Jinx were also the instruments of the Councils oppression.
Don't forget that Jinx not only started an endless war between two societies but she did it because she was sad because she herself killed her adoptive daddy.
To be fair while yes she is fully to blame for nuking the shit out of the Council, the war itself is not entirely on her. Plus the fact that Vi basically told her to go f herself is coupled with her killing Silco. Several times was it discussed of just sending in a force to kill Jinx, and only Jinx. But certain Topsiders said "nah just wipe em all out". Jayce still further enables this by fixing Vis gloves and making Caitlin a hextech gun. No one in this show outside of the civilians (specifically the Zaunites not engaged with the Chem Gangs for Zaun) are innocent.
@@augmentedsoldier6676 Jinx is an example of what a "good gone bad" character is.. Yes, she might not be the reason for the endless war, but having to contribute massively cause her sister rejected her after the death of their father and closest friends is nothing to defend of... Instead of redeeming herself and proving she is not a "jinx", she embraced it more than ever... + fighting the oppressor by becoming a puppet of another oppressor is ridiculous lol the girl was groomed and nothing more.. sad lyf tbh
I think you shouldn't take everything Heimer says as the absolute truth. For example, when he says the miracles of mages *always* turn into horror, it's just his experience, but far from the truth of Runeterra. Just look at Ionia, people live completely in tune with magic and nature. Same for Ixtal having many mages. In Noxus, the black Rose has existed for 1000 years and leblanc even more, yet she never suffered or died from her extensive use of magic ? It never turned against her. Good things turning bad is definitely *not* a property of the Arcane itself, and absolutely just a symptom of humanity's flaws and obsessions with power.
Heimerdinger is wrong, the runes can be the problem, you just have to look at the rune of power, the rune of power only serves to destroy, it is useful for nothing else, no matter how you use it, the rune of power will always destroy. 🤓🤓
This feels like, funnily enough, they don't know enough on how to use the runes, and it got out control, as the hexgates themselved are not really something evil, unless you consider trains and buses to evil.
Thy scream of the cultists whey Viktor died is the same as the scream when Ambessa kills Amara, and the black rose withers in her hand. This implies a direct connection, which must be the magic of the void. How did Viktor get exposed to and probably corrupted by the void? It was via shimmer, but also the grey which is the source of his terminal disease slowly eating away at his insides. And where did shimmer come from? Singed, who created it from the purple flowers deep underground, close to the source of the grey. Connecting all of it, i think singed is a black rose sleeper agent, who knew of a source of the void beneath Zaun. Because the black rose knows spirit and void magic, he used his know how to create shimmer and gain huge influence for himself and the black rose in the cities. We also see dark rose pettles in the chamber with Orianna. Another connection is the bright green of chemtech that Singed is responsible for creating. It is similar to the bright green rune magic of the Noxian guy who charges up those stones to use with his glaive. Chemtech is also charge- based. Not only that but those stones have been described as being created by black rose artificers, so it is likely Singed used that kind of knowledge to create chemtech batteries.
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE. In Jayces flashes seeing void spawn there are some key visual details. At first it looks like they have spines on top of their head, but if you look more closely, the crown of their skull is actually missing, and the brain has been hollowed out. There is a literal VOID where their mind should be. This explains why Jayce is so conflicted and tormented, he knows that in part these people are all still "alive" but they are being hollowed out by the void and that's truly horrifying to witness. This brings us also back to the Grey. The slides Caitlin sees from the Kirramen house key shows that the Grey does to the body exactly what the void corruption does to the mind - hollows it out. So yeah it's quite possible there is a major source of the void beneath Zaun that the black rose has a vital interest in either covering up or using for its own ends, Ambessa is likely after it, Mel is a key to unlocking it, and most of the characters are simply collateral damage to that whole hidden plot.
07:42 "Singularity simultaniously self-replicating" said Viktor in the same time that we see Sky coming out of him in a certain way. It tend to confirm your hypothesis : she's just another version of Victor's own mind. 14:19 : And now I see that you had seen it too !
In that scene with Singed and Viktor, I think Singed was trying to convince Viktor (for his own purpose) to use Warwicks regenerating blood, making Viktor more powerful in order to save his dying daughter. Singed is manipulative character, he doesnt care about Viktor's emotions, his community or personal conquest. His mission is only to save his daughter and he'll do anything to achieve it, anything. Thats why when he woke up after being attacked by Caitlyn, he then injected Warwick with something (probably a variant of shimmer) that caused him to go into frenzy and become a beast once more, serving Singed, causing chaos and continue his work on him....also my theory that he probably brought Viktor back to his lab where he injects Warwicks blood into the "dead" Viktor, making him stronger and more powerful so he can save his daughter
Jayce is absolutely wrong. I think he's trying to prevent this terrible vision he's seen but I think he's just going to cause it instead. Just like Oedipus being sent away from home.
well there are some interesting lines from his new arcane survivor skin. see for yourself, having heard all the dialogues i kinda dont think this is gonna be some oedipal tragedy
12:47 I missed this but GREAT attention to detail. Him asking Salo if he is still in there, wasn’t just to ask for him back but he was asking to see if there is any Salo left. So cool.
took me almost 20 minutes to realize this is a 3k sub channel. CRAZY?! Great quality editing and video format. Instant sub. Pointed out so many small details I missed.
He basically pulled a Aushwalen on his ppl stripping them of the energy he bestowed them but also their intrinsic energy turning them into the robot zombie looking things Jayce sees and maybe the fingerprints left on them are actually so deeply rooted that after their flesh was ripped from them it shows how the Arcane has taken root in them
So ur saying jayce was right to kill viktor because jayce traveled to a future reality where viktor has used the arcane to dominate the world which caused a negative outcome for the world and when jayce got sent back, him killing viktor was the right decision to make? Am I correct?
Maybe not viktor specifically. But a future dominated by arcane for sure. And it was bad, like really bad. Jayce wouldn’t kill Viktor without a very strong reason and no other option
It's possible that Victor will be the catalyst of that timeline, that's why Jayce decided to kill Victor .. He probably saw Victor lose his humanity and self as the Arcane took over him fully
I feel Jayce created the future he wanted to prevent. Like, he saw a future with emotionless Viktor and decided to kill him, but only managed to destroy his human side and push him towards what his visions showed him
12:15 Is this why Salo's breath isn't visible when he or victor speaks? because his mouth doesn't actually exist? Everyone else who entered that room had very clear clouds of breath when they spoke.
Even if what you say ends up being true (which it honestly might be true(in some parts of your over all theory) I still don’t think Jayce was right or Justified in killing Salo, or killing Viktor. If anything he actually sealed Viktor’s fate in him becoming the version of him in league. If anything Jayce’s home reality might actually be the one where Viktor was actually accomplishing some good. When Viktor is speaking with singed about Warwick, he points out to him that he doesn’t want to sacrifice Vander’s humanity just to save him. To me, this implies that he doesn’t want the same for any of the people who live in his small society. Additionally, I don’t know why people thinking that him healing all these people and lifting them up from their previous position in a damn near hell is a bad thing. And maybe one can say that it is because Viktor can assume control over people’s minds and bodies. But beyond that, what exactly has Viktor done that warrants Jayce’s violent and arguably unjustifiable actions towards him? And I’m not talking about theories, because at this time in the show, we don’t even know what Jayce saw. Heck, he could have been influenced by the Arcane itself (or worse, the void) to take action against Viktor because the Arcane/Void wanted Viktor to die so that he could be reborn as the version of him in the game. Because the Arcane/void wanted to spread itself like it did in other realities. The power/magic working through Viktor, or that Viktor is wielding itself on the other hand, doesn’t really seem Voidy itself to me. In fact it feels more celestial in nature. On a final note, regarding Viktor healing the people in his society, and what you said about them being completely gone from being overtaken by the hex core within Viktor (or Hextech) I don’t think this is true. When you pointed out that Salo was completely gone and over taken by Hextech/the hex core, Viktor who is speaking through Salo doesn’t reply to Jayce that Salo is alright, but instead Salo himself tells Jayce. If what you said is correct, then why didn’t Viktor just straight up tell Jayce that Salo was fine? To me that would have suggested that, no, Salo was in fact not fine. But instead Viktor let Salo talk. Additionally, i think because Salo said that he would reach out to Viktor so that Jayce could speak to him, that him being almost mind controlled by Viktor was consensual in a way. I don’t know why people are automatically writing Viktor off as a Villain already, when by all accounts, at least in this time in the show, he is more of a heroic character than a villainous one. And like I pointed out before, if anything, Jayce actually set him down the path in which he becomes a villain/the machine herald. It’s like Oogway said “One often finds his destiny on the path he takes to avoid it”.
Apparently, people actually easily believe that Jayce decision in outright killing Viktor was right. There's too much Jayce glazers out there that don't think outside of what are the implications of Jayce decision other than Viktor = villain.
One thing I noticed was that when Jayce and Salo are talking, and the camera shot is looking at a character through the translucent wild rune, Salo’s eyes are dark and Jayce’s eyes are glowing. Not sure if it means anything especially with how Jayce’s eyes seem to be affected the most by his time in the rune.
I kept looking at this but wasn’t sure if I was just seeing things. Felt like they kept showing them pass behind the rays for a reason, paused it multiple times. That salo had no breadth was another big sign in this room that I missed
Uk i have couple of my own theory Ppls talk a lot abt how salo doesnt seem to breathe cold air, he doesnt feel cold in 5he chamber, he's not "living" anymore, just a hive mind and corpse Also, we can see multiple versions of jayce before he kills viktor, jayce qas trying to talk it out, not kill viktor but then the "2nd will" killed viktor Lastly, as viktor says "chaos wins" at the end, or something like that, the cogwheel finally falls and the side us the one with colour, chaotic splashes of colour, chaos did win over the clean side.
Jace was right, I love it! Always here for a misunderstood character doing what he knows is right even if it's questionable or considered wrong by others' who can't see the whole picture. Great video and analysis, you got my like and subscription. Keep up the great work!
I personally think Hextech itself as a tool isn't the problem. It's probably more using Hextech on LIVING things. The Hexgates who transport ships+people got corrupted, and Viktor who used it on himself + shimmer even more so. The other tools did only make problems when the wild rune reacted, but aside from that they seem still fine.
One thing i noticed: in the Ryze cinematic (and I guess that we may agree that Ryze is somehow involved) we can see at the very end (when he leaves the room with crystals) that one pillar still has an empty space. And by the colors it can be deduced that the missing one is Inspiration. What is more, we can also spot Ryze fighting Vel’Koz, that is probably tempted by new knowledge source. Bearing in mind that he is present in Runterra, it may mean that somehow he may also play a role in the final Act. Just a few ideas of my own. Capitain Teemo (off) duty!
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Small channel to small channel, we will keep growing and I'm a big fan of Jujutsu Kaisen!! Thanks akuto! And I mostly play Legends of Runeterra but League of Legends is great too! All my lore videos start under the assumption that people know nothing so be sure to check them out! Also I subbed
“A singularity simultaneously self-replicating and self-annihilating” So fun fact, a singularity in physics is something infinitely dense, like something that warps space time, like a black hole. And also a singularity is a name for when technology hits a point that it’s basically self persisting and evolves without human influence. Interesting that the “wild rune” might be an intensely densely packed system of arcane magic, yet it still has space inside of it, or at least, an empty space as we can perceive it. Maybe that wild rune is like a capsule containing a form of concentrated arcane magic. Also, I like to think that’s what Jayce experienced-he was constantly replicated and annihilated by the rune, maybe even across dimensions, as the rune constantly re-assembled and disassembled Jayce, like he was a curiosity for the rune to “learn” from. That’s part of why he vibrates and fades and sees flashes of the world differently. Maybe he’s still experiencing being dissected and rebuilt by the arcane. That would be fucked up lol
Something to add to the discussion: I think what we're watching here is the reason why Jayce is known as "The Defender of Tomorrow". Probably, this is the way the Riot is telling the story of how Jayce got that title, or at least the beginning of it. In the other side, Singed "reviving" Viktor would also add to the lore by redirecting Viktor as what we know of him in the current lore. I'm really anxious to watch the next three episodes. I hope we can see some time travelling done by Ekko, and it would be great if Camille or Renata appears because the Camille's family was already mentioned and Renata is supposed to be one of the people who financed the Viktor experiments in Zaun.
This is basically exactly what I'm thinking. You missed one part. Salo entered through a portal at the wild rune and took jayce out by touching wild rune corruption like heimerdinger did. We know it's a portal because sky says she heard something as the portal closed. So jayce doesn't 'come back' on his own, Salo enters the wild rune and takes him out or heals the corruption maybe. Possibly pointing to the fact that Viktor has some power over the corruption at least temporarily while he still has juice. Also I think he was taking the hextech gemstone battery out to heal it, not try to recharge with it, but maybe that's wrong. Also what do you think of sky being the main source of power for Viktor. Like her entire being was basically eaten for fuel by the void hexcore.That is what powered his butterfly like transformation into this hextech god. Sacrifice. Blood magic, death magic aka void magic combined with hextech. Which is why his power is finite. If he wants more power he would have to absorb more people. Why else would the rune just disintegrate her? Collateral damage? No. It consumed her and is powering his entire commune and healing with her energy. Maybe. Also I think the hextech gemstone is the will inside jayce which is why he is hiding it. He's being pressured by the will of hextech to destroy the void corrupted arcane(aka shimmer hextech which is what Viktor is made of and the power he's using to create a temporary utopia) Heimerdinger and co entered the wild rune of chaos when heimerdinger touched the corruption(which some people say might be the shimmer blood that Viktor coughed up over the edge of the rail in s1 but I'm not so sure of that) Let me know what y'all think of these ideas
@entgrove hm ok. We shall see. I think it's more likely that those 3 going into a portal into the wild rune is more likely than the portal being between Viktor and Salo. That's more of a connection not a portal. A portal transports people between dimensions or places which is what happened to heimerdinger ekko and jayce. But I wouldn't rule out either way. Great content btw
I personally still don't think the guy that helped Jayce was Ryze. Ryze is blue and he doesn't go anywhere without his scrolls lol. I think they might have been close to Mount Targon. "changed beyond all recognition, imbued by an Aspect of unearthly, inhuman power with a destiny few mortals can comprehend." I think they ran into to someone from Mount Targon. Ryze can teleport, but I don't think in the same way as what that mage did. That's some celestial level magic. I could be 100% wrong though lol. Also the sound all the people make when Viktor dies reminds me at points of the dial up sound almost. Or the sound they make in The Matrix. I wonder if that's all the life/energy Viktor gave them going back to the source/Viktor.
I think the gemstone on Jayce’s wrist stopped viktor from seeing into Jayce’s mind
Jayce’s Appearance tells it all
you spoiled the show with the title
@@04harman ep is out 💀💀
@@thatbish5504 It would be a spoil even if the episode came out 10 years ago.
@@theotherguyyyy I mean in this case spoilers are everywhere lol 😂 u should avoid yt for now if u dont want spoilers
"with 42 consecutive victories including a small child" this had me rolling xD
@@georgebsth tbf, that small child was intentionally feeding
Giant fight between mech suit junkies and giant hex tech weapons, and he didn't even take cover or anything!
I almost felt bad for the green goop mom but it's like why do you have your kid working in the mines 😂
@@austincde hard work builds character! kids these days want everything for free, rabble rabble rabble
I think it's worth noting that when Jayce, Ekko, and Himerdinger first enter the hexgate failsafe, the room is very cold and you see there breath constantly. Then when Jayce comes back, the entire time you can see his breath still, showing the room is still very cold. You know who's breath you can't see? Salo. At no point is Salo's breath visible. In my eyes this means one of two things, either whatever Salo has become isn't producing body heat, or it isn't breathing...
that make sense
this line of thought is often replicated, but don't forget that Viktor himself doesn't feel cold anymore (from the scene where he comes out from the first cocoon and meets Jayce in the lab), so it really is possible that their bodies become colder when touched by hextech/arcane, therefore not producing steam from their breath. Although they still seem to need to eat, since they are planting stuff in the community, their bodies are supposed to be "evolved" or freed from some restraints the human body is supposed to have. So it's not so much that they aren't alive/breathing
This and the fact that viktor can talk thru him
Mhm, everyone in the fandom thinks Jayce is some big bad villain the most evil person in the show... but the dark truth is he actually could be the true savior not Viktor.
Why breathe when you can join the glorious evolution.
Something no one ever seems to bring up is that when Viktor first ever touched the Hexcore, Heimerdinger told him, "Viktor, something's different. You've changed." Which is very similar to Viktor's line to Jayce where he says, "You seem different. Something happened." Then brings up that Jayce has touched the arcane as well. So something about interacting with the Arcane directly is important here.
This is an awesome connection that I didn’t make
Because its the World Rune messing with their minds. "Rune of Madness" just google "Shard of Madness" its a World Rune looks exactly like the Aura coming off the Hexcore too. In ryze Cinematic u also see the Red World Rune give of same kind of aura just red
Yo good shout
The sound of Salo's death is very similar to the sound of dying voidlings in the league. Bel'veth makes the same sound when she absorbs the crystal and turns into a monster
Oh god it’s the Void!
@@isaiahkayode6526 the purple made that obvious from the start
wow!
Nah, it sounds more like the hammer sound effect, obliterating Salo with a heavy force and electric pulse. Bel's sound effects is so much deeper, its creepy and sounds alive.
Jayce's hammer sound effect in S2 has the same charactistic as his previous from S1, its electric, its vibrating/pulsating and its way more heavy but it has clearly changed after he was brought back from the anamoly but the charactistic is still there, its more darker though, probably because its been infused with a wild rune effect, a "pissed off Arcane" like Ekko said
"Yordles do not age in the same way as beings of the material realm do thanks to being creatures of the spirit realm and therefore have different concepts of aging.[3] In The Meaning in Misery, it was revealed Yordles also don't die." So heimer saying he's 300 could be his perception but to humans he's actually much older than that. Yordles are from the spirit realm too so if a yordle says some magic lookin scary I'm listening
Mostly right but I think it’s more about time doesn’t flow normal when your in bandle city or the “yordle realm” (blanking on the name for it)so he could’ve spent a few years in bandle city but 100s passed on runeterra
Also I think Yordles can die they just respawn in Bandle city.
I still think Veigar is one of the oldest known Yordles though. Yordles dont exactly age like humans, so they just look old for being young.
Maybe just headcanon but i REALLY would get a kick from the eccentric traumatized powerful mage being the oldest of everyone
@ I think they age relatively normally when they are walking the earth but when they enter bandle city it has a sort of time dilation effect making years pass on runeterra while it seems like days to the yordles in bandle city
@@thefoxwolfdraconis The oldest Yordle is either Gnar or Fizz.
Jayce was Right. The "healed" aren't Breathing!
The "healed" are slowly losing their humanity. The moment they come back to reality you'll notice Salo isn't even breathing, you can't see his breath in the air.
Yoooo! What!! I did not notice you could not see his breath! That’s awesome
Hmm, couldn't it just be a animation mistake? There was nothing hinting towards them being actually dead.
@@Catalanskrrno it could not in episode 3 jayce heimer and ekko all have breaths in the weird dome zone. we also see the only 2 relevant "healed people" have the exact same personality and do not feel anything. no fear, no sadness nothing. salo can clearly be seen just being there and unexplucably happy. the salo from before wouldve been scared by jayce if he looked like that, he's a man who gets scared easily, he's impulsive, yet he stayed calm, kept the smile and kept walking. when huck was confronted by zangief and zangief was about to just outright kill him huck just didn't care at all because he can't feel fear. not only that but jayce sees them as empty husks. there is a reason all the dialog we have with healed individual seems very typical and robotic, its because it is. they aren't healed nor are they human. viktor just gives the body hesling in exchange for their souls and humanity basically
@@ΚρανίΩ They do feel sadness and happiness. We see it when Huck is healed and also see him breathing. Again, we see concern and nervousness (and more breathing) when Huck stops Jinx and Vi at the gate.
People keep saying the Husks don't breathe, but Huck breathes and Viktor breathes.
I think they're still people. But I am wildly suspicious of the Hex core and sky.
@@Catalanskrr I never got to that conclusion or even noticed it, but I really think there are no animation mistakes in this show. I mean, especially if they cared about attention to the point that you can see Jayce's breath in the same scene with Salo....
If you look closely when Sky evaporates, her dust goes towards the Hexcore so she might be in there that’s why Viktor keeps seeing her.
@@SuchIsLife24
That's a fact at this point bro
What I believe is the most important foreshadowing about that story arch is this line
"The inspiration for our greatest good is also the cause of our greatest evil"
And..
Peace, love, hate and anger are 2 sides of the same coin
If you understand those 2 comments, then you know what is coming and what the commune was before Jayce did what he did
I won't drop spoilers on you based on lore
But that imo...
Is the part that helps is understand it all
It took me days to work that out btw lol
It needed to absorb her. At the time it was missing 1 of the 5 runes - Inspiration. Her entire walk down the hallway towards her death she was talking to herself about how "inspired" she was and how much Viktor inspired her.
The cover of her notebook is also the shape of the inspiration rune in league of legends, which pretty much confirms it for me that she completed the missing piece of the hexcore.
What that means however, and how much of her apparent consciousness inside the hexcore is actually "Sky"... I'm not sure. She seems to change more and more each time we see her, evolving alongside Viktor and the hexcore.
Really looking forward to the final act and hope to get a lot more context about this.
I want to point out that while fused to his wrist, the Rune that Jayce has in his wrists seems to be uncorrupted.
The Jayce Wars on Tiktok have me cracking up but idk how anyone can think viktors commune was not a hive mind cult or at least on its way there LMAO
@@crownhouses2296
It is
But the issue is...
He only included people who are very unwell, or disabled
It genuinely seems like Viktor wants to help, and maybe he doesn't fully understand this stuff himself yet
Maybe.
I am saying a hive mind doesn't have to be the evil we see in most sci-fi movies
If Viktor explains all of this to anyone who wants his help and they agree willingly
Then he is doing nothing wrong
Now you and myself know Viktor is more like a bad guy than Jayce is, in the game
So we have a little more to work with
But if you only know the show...
You can literally see things at this point, going either way
Jayce looks like he's insane with his headaches and illusions etc...
Viktor seems like himself in many ways, and Viktor before absorbing the core was a very genuinely good person
So it's easy to see how fans who know nothing about lore, think that way
I can see both because I haven't played the game
I don't real much about game lore etc...
But I have read enough to know who's right and who is wrong here...
The show hasn't shown that yet though, the show has left 2 possibilities imo and one of them makes Jayce the bad guy
Even if there's a hive mind
@@daz97 Jayce is NOT the bad guy lol
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Yes I can read and watch videos with lore and possible spoilers also lol
But if you look at the show without any of that stuff...
It is easy to believe Jayce just destroyed a peaceful commune
It's very pretentious to pretend everyone should know this when the show hasn't shown any of this...
I watched the show and I thought, and I believed it could go either way...
Jayce good or bad and same did Viktor
Now I have read lore
Peoples opinions based on lore etc
Now I can say yeah Viktor is the bad guy
But at this point, the show hasn't made that clear
It's only clear to us because we know more than the show shown us
So just stop it man
Stop looking down your noses at people because you found spoilers that some people don't want to know...
You're not smarter because you got help from the online community to put it all together
And neither am I ✌️
I feel that not Even Viktor was trully aware of the hivemind. Like with the hexcore experiments he was to focused on the "helping" to See what was happening
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Or...
He did know but he didn't see the problem with a hive mind
In fact I'm not sure I see the problem with that if it's done the way Viktor was doing it
Because it still helped people
No one was forced into it
People still had their own personalities and they still retained their memories etc
But it did cure peoples illnesses etc, and it never hurt anyone outside of the commune
Now he has realised that hate etc is the different side of the same coin, and an important part of it in a way...
That your greatest good leads to your greatest evil
How do you think that will play out? Assuming he returns?
Maybe it was always a good thing, maybe the hive mind isn't a problem because it did help, no one was forced and people retained a lot of themselves still etc
Viktor was pure good, purely peaceful throughout the whole commune part of the show
So he learned that just one side of that coin doesn't work, pure peace and love doesn't work, it resulted in his death and the end of the commune
I think he returns with not only wanting to help those who want help...
I think he will return wanting to help and incorporate literally everyone, and do that against their will
Because he now embraces the opposite side of the coin to peace
Does that make sense?
I know we all think hive mind = bad because 99% of the time in all media, it's bad
But was the way it seemed to work here really that bad?
I'm not sure it was
But if Viktor uses it differently...
It could be very bad
And I think that's what we will get on Saturday
Someone who is forcing it on people instead of only helping people
And no longer pure peace to achieve his goals
The song that plays when Jayce touches the wild rune, Ashes and Blood, basically spells out the entire thing. The first few verses feel like a deliverate warning to Jayce and victor. Take a look
You walk along the edge of danger
And it will change you
Why would you let this voice set in your head?
It is meant to destroy you
You summon storms, you play with nature
Now watch it hurt you
Why would you want to shape the world in your hands?
You will never make it through
This is awesome...
not only these verses... in continue...
You waste your life to gain power (VICTOR)
You shift the game rules
How does it feel to reach the line that no one ever got to cross?
Does it make you a god now? (VICTOR WITH HIS STAFF)
Every sin will be forgiven
If you lay down your weapons to the ground
Catch the fire burning out your soul
Just make it die(THE HEXCORE) or you will turn it all
Catch the fire burning out your soul
Just make it die (THE HEXCORE OR THE VOICE I GUESS) or you will turn it all
in ashes and blood (THE VISIONS OF HEIMERDINGER WITH WILDIFIRES AND PEOPLE SUFFERING AND KILLED)
in ashes and blood
in ashes and blood
in ashes and blood
in ashes and blood.
It may also be referencing the human components of Ashes (Sky) and Blood (Viktor) that corrupted the hexcore in the first place.
@@georgex231 "every sin will be forgiven, if you lay down your weapons" is literally his cult's mantra too
@@lubbaby208 yeah... they used the song's verse INSIDE the show
Viktor was the Lich King with a heart of Gold not realizing that he is still deeply mortal and slowly perishing, and when he dies, each of his converts becomes a cyborg zombie infection vector. That tracks with Viktor's old lore of forced conversion ala Doctor Who's Cybermen.
So based on your argument that when Viktor dies, they become a cyborg zombie infection, then why did Jayce killed Viktor?
@@yuwi1783 because there are only about 300 of them right now... If Viktor continues there will be 3000 of them and they will have been distributed across society and even to other cities. Think ultimate quarantine. If it can be contained to one city it can be stopped.
@@yuwi1783 might be ye ol' self-fulfilling prophecy
Assuming Jayce saw the future of Viktor's efforts, his attempt to end it all by killing Viktor might have been what triggered the Herald's true pursuit of Glorious Evolution--this time without that pesky and unstable human element
Who knows? Maybe all would have been kosher had Jayce left well enough alone. We won't know until the rest of the season is out
@blugger maybe never tbh these things are always so frustrating
@@BeyondAbsolute The "Get Jinx'd" music vid shows Jinx destroying piles of robots in Piltover. Viktor starts a Stellaris Mid-Game Extinction Event.
I wish the last episode was like an hour long, I have faith but I get scared it’s gonna feel to rushed. But if it is, at least I enjoyed the experience thus far.
Yordle's don't count the years they spend in Bandle City as age. If they remain in Bandle City they can live forever. So Heimerdinger has spent a bit over 300 years NOT in Bandle CIty. He could have popped out during the rune wars, then retreated for a thousand years, then emerged once again to found a city that rejected magic as a founding principle.
I don't know much about LoL lore beyond Arcane, but the way everyone reacted when Viktor died definitely has me raising eyebrows. I don't think Viktor was intentionally doing harm to them but I do think his 'saving' them wasn't as straightforward as it seemed.
NGL I love Arcane but I quickly left fan groups because they went absolutely nuclear after that episode with "Jayce greatest monster in the world destroyed the most beautiful colony ever and killed my most beloved baby!"
Chill people dude did nothing wrong
Some people were so obsessed with Viktor that they couldn't comprehend he was in the wrong or would do anything wrong so they hate on Jayce and don't read any of the subtext that basically screams that the commune is bad and dangerous. They can only read at surface level and are blinded by their favouritism.
I think it's also in part because Jayce has always been a bit pompous, out of touch, and unreliable. He constantly flip flops his goals and actions. Breaks promises, just to uphold them, just to break them. Says Heimer is wrong, then he is right. He has been building resentment in the community then he goes all scorched earth, and add to that we don't have the context from the final act just yet to clarify anything.
For me, whether or not Jayce was in the right for shooting Viktor, has no bearing on my disliking him. I will say though I kinda think that was intentional and I think he is written very well.
I meant that's the point of the episode.
They made us think jayce is at fault here while hinting something is wrong.
Some people take a hint and make a theory
Some take a hint and ignore them
And some don't see it at all
But As someone told me.
Good movie made people sit on a table and talk.
@@Cyfog10 To me that just makes him a realistic character. He believes in himself too much but when he is confronted with the facts he changes his mind. He doesnt want to make weapons but piltover needs weapons to fight agaisnt Zaun and their chemtech and he is the only one who can make them, not to mention all the grief that he feels over the attacks on piltover. Of course he is going to think Heimer is wrong about his hextech when it is his lifes work but when he sees evidence of corruption he starts to second guess himself. He isn't a character that flipflops, he is a character who is having his ideals and morals challenged and when that happens you tend to adjust those things. One thing that has stayed pretty consistent is his love for Viktor and the trust he has in him, so for him to kill Viktor must mean he saw something truly challenging to his beliefs.
Yeah that group was obviously a cult and I'm nervous what's gonna happen when Viktor comes back
I think Jayce was IS right, but not why we think based some of the things this video pointed out that i missed. I think those creatures Jayce is seeing are what happens to Viktors people after he dies without reaching his final evolution. They get corrupted by the void. But i think killing Viktor here allows him to evolve. The hexcore at the hex gate takes control of his followers to resurrect him. This makes him evolve into something like a shuriman ascended. The butterfly motiff and the weird cocoon he's living in I think is the best proof i have for this theory. It looks an awful lot like the sun disk of the shuriman empire. There is a butterfly affect from the moment Jayce tries to kill the hexcore and that triggers Viktors final glorious evolution. Whether thats a good or a bad thing is hard to say, but i think viktor might get some time powers out of it, and he sends jayce to the other reality to convince him to kill him. Weird time loop shenanigans basically.
Weird thought, what if this goes full circle and Jayce gives his hexcrystal to his younger self in the past?
Holy fck that makes so much sense
I don't think so, he uses a hammer, not a staff.
Unless, Jayce stole Viktor's cane turned staff and used it to save the alternative reality.
This idea made me think for sure! I like it but that character seems so different from Jayce in terms of body shape. Viktor is possible but I still think Ryze is more likely
@@entgroveI thought it was Jayce at first, too. But yeah- the lithe body shape of the mage got me. I also don’t think it’s Viktor- since Viktor’s hands are all arcane-mechified. The hands of the mage have lines and runes, and notably- skin.
Trusting the lore experts on Ryze for this one, ha.
@@UmamiNoodle Ryze makes more sense, cause essentially, he teleported Jayce and his mother.
12:10 I don’t think the top is a “crown,” I think it’s literally showing how Salo is becoming empty, and how the other healed people will eventually become hollow, eaten out alive by the Arcane, consumed and replaced by these weird, metallic exoskeleton shells. Like you said, Jayce might be seeing what these people are/become in alternate dimensions due to interacting with the arcane, due to being reassembled and reforged by the arcane. Think how empty and peaceful these people act, how they kinda float through their activities in a detached way. Even that weird bell that was being rung when Vander is first brought up to Viktor, it barely resonates, and seems to be swinging so slowly that the bell barely rings with a gentle toll, like there’s barely contact inside to strike and make the sound. That’s what it feels like is going on inside these people’s heads. Gently functioning, but not really-floating, restrained, and distant.
The top of the head is referred to as the crown, pretty sure that’s what he means
IMMEDIATELY sent this to my lil bro, we are so ready for Saturday!
Thanks Deb!! Same same :)
idk if anyone has mentioned this, but around 13:00 when the red is going in front of jayce and salo, for jayce his skin is dark, muted, the eyes are bright, as well as the teeth. for salo, the skin is bright almost like a metal mask and the eyes are dark and void of light.
Also getting a Fallout4 Synth vibe as well. The Synth's that don't know they are synths until they are given the command. Viktor is a puppet but doesn't realize it, you see the strings twice. Once hanging loose when he first energes, then at the end with him suspended in the air by lines, very much like a marionette.
@@Hawkido when he emerged from the hexcore cocoon, he was also trailing light that led back to the mesh that he had emerges from
@@blugger Yeah the tethers seemed to fade into another plane. The tethers aren't always visible. They may be what is connecting Viktor to that body. Later in the cocoon you see the tethers, and those might be connecting him to all the other drones. Jayce's flashes are him seeing what is inside of these people, very much the robo drones you see Jinx fighting in the "Get Jinx'd" music video.
I think Jayce is also being manipulated or miss guided, he has corruption in his wrist (probably also inside him) and in his hammer (even the gemstone is different), so it's possible what ever or whoever send him back probably send him with the idea of preventing a possible future or the actual future but in reality he is just making it happen, Viktor knew that his power was finite and was ok with this idea because he rejected to use Vander already but now that he's almost dying probably the hexcore trying to save itself will change him (or also Singed, he already saw him as the answer to save his daughter so now that no one is there to stop him he can gets his hands on Viktor)
This damn season is going to make me break my league sobriety😭😭😭😭
Oh it gets worse
Don’t do it
You will jump back, get 3 dogded lobbies, then you get a game with teammates that start flaming since 1 minute, you get afk in 5th minute with teammates refusing to surrender and you will rage quit. There, dont do it, the game is cancer. Not worth going back.
The game is nothing like the show. No need to play League. It won't scratch the same itch as arcane does.
Wepons arent permited in victors colonie but the jayce had one yet the kid still led him to victors main body so maybe a part of victor knew what he was there to do
Jayce snuck in through a side entrance I believe
He did: when Salo died the wild rune gave him a vision of Jayce killing him, also killing salo on its own is pretty clear Jayce wasnt on his way with cookies lol.
Later Viktor asks Singed if he believes in fate; hinting that he knows whats coming.
Then when Viktor is dying he says he finally understands why the wild rune showed him the vision, to show him the root of all Evil/Good in the world is caused by our own humanity.
The final context being the only way to escape our Chaos/War/Annihilation is to remove our HUMANITY, act 3 is about to be hella dark.
@@peapod5629 he was going to attack a kid and a whole crowd saw him
It makes sense that for members commune to do that because they're all literally radically altered by hex tech AND they're probably just assuming jayce was exactly as Viktor's first convert (willing to harm until fixed). After all, a punch girl and a homicidal maniac led a giant beast monster and-worse-a TEEMO into camp and Viktor was handling all that perfectly fine!
Now, why *Viktor* didn't do anything about the very real threat he literally saw coming...no idea
@@blugger Where was the Teemo? Isha?
i think shimmer is extracted from things that have been touched by the void. so when its combined with a hexcore it gets corrupted, and the corruption starts to spill over into the actual arcane as well. or maybe its just a property of the arcane, having both an ordered form and a wild form.
I kinda feel like Jayce is gonna cause the very thing that he came back to prevent; as Singed is a wild card that nobody knew about so no way in hell would Jayce know that by killing Victor he'd ensure his resurrection as the Herald
In season 1 episode 2, there's a scene with purple shimmer veins on the floor and walls. When Marcus stepped on one, there's a high-pitched screech -- similar to the commune souls of season 2 episode 6. Thought that was worth mentioning
Edit: timestamp for scene in comments
Season 1 Episode 2
19 minutes 11 seconds
Caption: [disembodied voices]
Very worth mentioning!! I did not notice this
@@entgroveyou make great videos and informative content hope your channel sees the growth it deserves
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That's interesting man...
I already assumed the Shimmer was the cause for the hexcore being corrupt, and that seems to basically proves it
I will rewatch from episode 1 once the last act is released and hopefully notice that myself now
this is such a good catch yo! i thought the screams sounded really similar to something voidy, like malzahar's voidlings when they die, so it really feels like shimmer is related to the void
I think Jayce saw the mistake of not destroying hextech / corrupted hexcore when victor asked him to, and learned that victor was no longer there, or alive himself. (His followers not needing to breath or have free agency)
3:23 Yordels experience time differently then mortal beings while they are in bandle city, which is located outside of time in a sense. So Haimer can be only 300 years form his perspective, while on runtera a millennium could've already passed. The timeline would make little sense considering noxus is around 900 years old at the time of arcane and it was established long after the rune wars
I think Jayce is currently combined with several different versions of him (from other timelines, perhaps). We see him, Ekko, and Heimer being broken apart into abstract hextech / time shenanigans and he's 'reassembled' at the end of ep 5. I think this is what causes him to (mentally) struggle staying 'whole' as he sometimes seems to almost break apart. It's as if he's fused with 3 other selves that are all constantly talking in his head, and he does his best to keep reminding himself of that mantra "I won't fail, I swear it" (which reaaally sounds like a promise to Ekko/Heimerdinger). I could also be completely wrong of course, I'm so intrigued to see what caused him to go from puking upon the sight of corpses to killing Salo and Viktor.
Yeah I agree with this and was surprised the video didn't mention it. Jayce is actively being re-fused with himself from other timelines as he's walking towards Viktor. It's clearly very painful and disorienting, but he actually seems to get more focused every time it happens once he recovers.
I don't understand all the hate towards Jayce
I mean people act like Jayce wants to destroy other people's happiness... His mission was just to stop Viktor after he OBVIOUSLY saw terrible things that was shown pretty clearly
lots of people hate men that aren't established as underpriviliged, an obvious person of colour or physically/mentally impaired, especially if they're in a higher position of power. He makes understandable mistakes and tries his best to do the correct course of action but is hated just due to his "vibes" and mistakes. I'd argue that most of the cast are morally worse off than him but expect to see more fans defending a terrorist than jayce, especially since hes blamed for the viktor and vander situation at first glance
People are hating on him from the mindset that his actions led to Vander being basically dead and stuck as Warwick and Isha sacrificing herself, that's why most people are hating on him. Viktor's powers were one of the only things at the time keeping Vander slightly in control and now that he's dead Vander doesn't have control anymore and is basically gone. I know a bit about the original LoL lore so I knew why Jayce did it but I couldn't help hate him a bit also after how everything played out.
@@nununa7963 What are you talking about? The first part of your response has nothing to do with this topic but the him being blamed for the vander situation and Isha dying are why most people dislike him right now. It has nothing to do with what you mentioned in the beginning of your comment
@@Nerolir-kf9okIt is heavily implied that Singed succesfully aplied the serum to Vander causing his rampage, it bothers me how little the serum is taken into consideration when Vander literally turns into fricking lava. I get how at first glance it may be simply because Viktor died, but I swear it's like they really want everything to be on Jayce's shoulders because they don't like the character
@system_ai9248 There's literally a whole montage of Viktor using his powers to untether Vander from the beast, it's implied that the reason why Vander was stable was a combination of remembering his daughters and Viktor's powers. Viktor dying removed his influence from the people he healed which of course caused Warwick to come back in full effect. I know the original jayce and viktor lore but people who've never interacted with arcane don't and I can understand why they see the last episode and hate jayce for his actions. They're going to see in later episodes why he did what he did but Isha died and Vander turned permanently into Warwick, two characters people are attached to so it's not hard to see why people blame Jayce for losing those two characters cause he's technically is the cause of it
Man, that intro took me out. SO good lol.
I saw this theory on twitter about the mage that saved Jayce being Viktor, which kind of makes the timeloop thing more plausible. But I also don't think that's what's going on. My main issue right now is trying to figure out where on the timeline this is happening, because if we go by what's in the Realms of Runeterra book, Heimerdinger would have to be like 1000 years old to have seen the Rune Wars in any capacity (I know that time works differently in Bandle City and for Yordles).
Also, if you look when Viktor and Sky are ruminating about the entity Jayce has with him, look at Viktor's chest. There's a friggin black hole in it where Jayce wrecks his shit later.
Thanks Yuumi!!
The 1000 years thing is confusing me to. Only thing to make it 1k years is like your saying. He saw it, went to
Handle city where time works differently, returned about 900 years later which was only 100 years for him or something
I have two guesses as to why Jayce did this, either an alternate timeline Viktor made him swear to save his alternate from a FAR worse fate. Or Jayce saw that Victor is inadvertently forming a cyborg zombie apocalypse. Right now only Viktor can convert someone with a touch, but each time it weakens Viktor, until he shall ultimately die, then each of these drones become inhabited by "Something Else" as they are now empty vessels. Then each of these "Drones" can now convert people with a touch. I found it interesting that the only drones that screech are the ones that were Shimmer Wretches healed by Viktor. When Viktor "Dies" the prior Shimmer users are the first to be "Occupied".
I do feel like Jayce is being sent by Ekko and Heimer to fix things, and get them out. Ekko must have seen, or visited multiple timelines, and knows what has to happen to free them, and put things on a path that they want. We saw in the previews for season 2, that Ekko is going to have the Zdrive in the big climax.
Also looks like Singed is going to save Viktor, and most likely Viktor will be the one that involuntarily creates Orianna, either thanking Singed for saving him, or being forced to. Since they've retconned/ merged Singed's lore with Orianna's father.
Jayce is not wrong.
Scared for my life saying that in this community.
Same loll
For what we have seen in screen it logically could go either way
Yes Viktor creates hive minds etc
But he is only using this on people who need healing...
Some people would rather live that way than as a disabled or dying person
There's nothing directly Evil in his choices imo
Plus Viktor is a good person, even if him bonding with the core makes him less good
That said...
Jayce knows something
Well we also see Jayce seeing illusions etc
That makes it look bad, like Jayce is being controlled
But obviously, like yourselves...
I have read people's theories and game lore
And I know Jayce is right and Viktor is wrong
But the show hasn't really shown this yet
So it's really not the fans fault
Don't worry we will be eating good once Act 3 drops. I hope...
even if viktor died, warwick wouldn't go completely ballistic let alone LAVA, it was because of singed serum :'((
I think ambessa is the true killjoy for the happy family of jinx and vi
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I must be wrong? But I was sure that Cait stopped him from injecting that serum into Vander?
All the creatures seen by Jayce have lost their brain. They lost their humanity.
Is it possible Jayce was sent back to the war and saw how even with good intentions it only leads to the end of the world. Or this is Viktor taking control of Jayce and trying to stop himself
You may be onto something. Everybody speculates that he went into the future but then he should already know about Viktors powers. But when talking to Salo he seems genuinely suprised thay Viktor can communicate through him.
@davidtellnojokes5277 I didn't really even notice that his kinda surprised by what Viktor has become more than knowing what his capable of. Also if he knew what Viktor was going to become he wouldn't have shot him, causing a man already losing faith in the world lose his final attempt at fixing it. Instead he would've tried to guide Viktor away from the future he saw
Yep he either went back in time to the rune wars or into a more distant future where everyone was already dead and the world was taken over by the Arcane/ Void
I LOVE IT. At first watch we be like JAYCE RUINED EVERYTHING ! But careful observations reveal more and MORE, like how Vander was actually INJECTED to his painful Lava like state ETC.
Eh that was more then likely Singed injecting Vander with the serum to completely remove his humanity as he is seen in the house standing even though he was knocked out.
The shattered "wild rune church" that Viktor lives is much like the wild rune that appears twice when Jayce trips balls. He was probably seeing the future he had to turn into reality. Also, quite a few of the godly spirits (heroes) are shown in flashes. What we're seeing may be an arcane fight using mankind as puppets
Here me out. I think the Arcane is a representation of A.I in today's world. The endless possibilities that mankind can achieve with such level of computation, almost magical, almost... arcane-like. Nowadays we see and sometimes even consume A.I generated content i.e voices, images, texts, videos, etc. To generate something based of many sources to create intended outcomes is almost chaotic in of itself, the whole process, at least to the extent of what we can comprehend with our flawed minds. But the at the same time A.I much like hextech/Arcane can be redirected; controlled chaos almost; whether for good or bad, however there is a fine line between what good and bad depending on the person that believes it to be. "In pursuit of greatness, we failed to do good." There is greatness in the Arcane/A.I it is neutral, a tool for purpose. The good and bad resides within the hearts of the people that use "this" tool. The tool is perfect, the user is not, thus we end up repeating the very thing we ultimately want to avoid, pure chaos. Controlled chaos vs Pure Chaos
this was a cool comment to read
Shimmer comes from that weird, axolotl looking creature that Singed was keeping alive. I know its a long stretch but... what if that creature is from The Void? Or at least corrupted by the void, thats why its the last of their species, every other died because of the void. So shimmer would be that thing blood with void essence
Yeah, the flower looks more that it comes from the void
Great video. I never caught the “Viktor holding his staff” in Jayce’s visions. It took me awhile to see Viktor’s face, ha.
Singed seems involved with bringing Viktor back. Maybe with the use of Warwick’s mutation. The theory of the commune members as batteries is fascinating, and I think true!
Great reminder of Jayce’s character change. Throwing up on the bridge to killing Salo.
So far- the puzzle pieces of the season are fitting together really interestingly. Learning the later importance of the spoiled counselor member Salo turning into a commune member- and showcasing the strangeness of the arcane within the commune members is masterclass.
Subscribed. :)
Thanks Umami!! :)
i think that core deep underground was probably corrupted by victor's blood , in act1 he was coffing near a big pit , and heimer see's where that drop fell on the floor, you can see it corrupted the floor, this might mean its connected with victor somehow :D
A small channel to be pumping out this content is amazing keep up the good work
thanks three!! :) Hopefully the channel continues to grow and I can invest even more time into my Runeterra lore videos
Just discovered your channel, I've been looking for league lore channels and yours matches exactly what I've been looking for and am surprised that you dont have more subs, your content is great keep it up and I'm sure you will blow up soon!
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I massively appreciate your in depth analysis of the show. I dont know much about the game, but love the show. Thank you!
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I defended Gavi in attack on titan.
And i will defend the protector of tomorrow today
Gabi was overhated for sure
I love finding small gold channels like this. Destined to grow big.
thanks Levan! :)
I feel like there's so much to the story still and we only have 3 episodes left. What a great breakdown. Thank you!
Thanks Untamable!! :)
Personally, I don't think the promise Jayce made to not fail was to Heimerdinger and Ekko (though it's a reasonable theory and could prove true). I think he made the promise to Viktor in another timeline. Really though, my only evidence is that Jayce has done EVERYTHING for Viktor up to this point, and I don't think Heimerdinger and Ekko could extract a promise like that out of him to kill Viktor. I think VIKTOR is the only person who could actually convince Jayce to give up their Hextech dream and to let him die in order to save the world, otherwise I think Jayce would just fight it forever (and IMO, those overlays while he's shooting at Viktor are other times he's done this and was more resistant, more angry, more sad, and failed as a result, that's why he has to be so grim and focused this time) and perhaps HAS already fought it for a long time before coming to the conclusion that it must be done, but only for Viktor's sake.
Another good catch I've seen someone point out, in the room where Jayce is with Salo, the room is cold, Jayce's breathing has steam coming out, as well as Ekko and Heimerdinger beforehand, but Salo doesn't have steam, he doesn't have body temperature at all. I fully believe that whatever Viktor is doing isn't what he thinks, he isn't saving anyone, they're becoming lifeless husks devoid of their own thought for some terrible purpose, there's no way the arrogant Salo would become a cult follower willingly, I imagine he would at least thank him but then he would go back to his own life with his legs healed, but his speech and mannerisms were uncannily different from his usual self.
Seen people saying this! Wish i noticed it before publishing the video. Such an awesome call out
holy fuck that title, glad I've already watched it.
You are doing amazing work with these videos you are putting out. The passion for the lore can be heard through the tone of your voice and your editing gets better with every video. Keep up the good work and cant wait to see what else you have in store!
Thanks Taco!!! :)
I feel like even if viktors body dies, that his consciousness will still be alive, and how he matches more with his league self will be like a steel body made for or by him
I wonder if Victor will bring back Orianna. We see Salo coming back from the dead in the teaser. Maybe he is going to turn everyone into robo zombies.
But if so, that would explain why in League, Orianna is more robotic than humane
I think singed will eventually bring back Orianna but not till the next series after arcane
@@entgrove She is Chekhov's corpse right now. Either she will rise in glorious mechanical evolution or just be a teaser for the future.
I personally think it would be better to use her if they showed her. Also it makes sense. Singed is more a chemist than an engineer and she is all metal. She has no shimmer tanks like his other experiments.
I just hope act 3 starts with a recap of what jayce ekko and heimer expierienced while lost ln the wild rune...
Same and I think we will because that story needs to stay here and can’t get resolved in the next series
12:32 If you see there, Salo's breath does not show like Jayce, and if you go back to the scene where the Heimer, Ekko and Jayce were there, you can see that, that room is very cold!
I wish I bought this before I posted the video!
Solid review. Definitely deserves more views!
Thanks yang!!
Agreed 👏
7:38 its a property of Both , a property of sentience . I think thats also what Victor concluded at the end .
Singed said Evolution is the driving force of Life , which is true for us .
But for Arcane or Arcane enhanced life (life from this world) there is a fate . I think its because Arcane is time transcending .
I think there are some parallels with this future/alternate timeline Jayce sees and the battlecast/eternum universe that some champions have skins for. Namely the organic metal creatures that take over the world. For some reason the particle effects that come off Jayce's hammer when he was about to shoot the kid reminded me of Eternum Nocturne skin and made this connection. It would be cool to see since that universe is essentially one that focus's around Victor. Also it would be cool that that other mind inside Jayce is actually a different version of Viktor and maybe Jayce's appearance mimicking Victor's is the hint also Victor is the only one that can "fuse" objects to people.
Bro, how do you still only have three thousand subs? These videos are a joy to watch. I hope your channel grows quickly because you deserve it (and that intro with "with forty two consecutive victories, including a small child" took me out. I laughed way harder than I want to admit)
As long as some people are watching and like the videos i am happy hah Thanks Sweett!!! :)
3:20 I think that Heimerdinger witnessed the rune war and retreated into the bandle city where time flows very differently, so him witnessing something thousands of years ago, but being only 300 years old makes sense
Hexcore is giving off the same power aura as the World Runes in Ryze cinematic. Heimer said he had seen something simlar before and it flashbacks to Rune Wars. World Rune of Madness gives off the same power aura as the Hexcore. Could it be The World Rune of Madness calling out to Viktor getting him to make the Hexcore. The World Rune is tricking Viktor into thinking hes healing people but hes actually just turning them into people he can mind controll. Could it be the World Rune is hidden deep in Zaun and thats why Viktor goes down there? The Hexcore Leads him down there. In the Ryze cinematic. Ryze says that the World Runes call out and wants to be used. Cant see them pulling in the Void into this story when they already made so much ground work for Runes, Rune magic, and flashbacks from Runewars
this would be insane, and i like it
Here’s your comments so RUclips can recommend you more. I appreciate you dedicating a video explaining the ending of the hextec sub arch. Now I have a grasp of what happened and how to think for the last 3 episodes for this Saturday
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Jinx = Destroy future of Piltover and Zaun by terrorist attack on the Citadel - fans: "Go girl"
Jayce = keep his promise which he gave to the friend - fans: "What a evil"
If you really think about it. None of them are innocent. Jinx killed members of the council but as far as we're told no civilians are killed. The Council who was purposely oppressing Zaunites.
Jayce's technology is what enabled her to do this. Along with fact he killed a kid, nearly killed another. Him taking out Viktor also directly leads to what happens at the end of episode 6 of s2. The enforcers killed by Jinx were also the instruments of the Councils oppression.
Don't forget that Jinx not only started an endless war between two societies but she did it because she was sad because she herself killed her adoptive daddy.
To be fair while yes she is fully to blame for nuking the shit out of the Council, the war itself is not entirely on her. Plus the fact that Vi basically told her to go f herself is coupled with her killing Silco. Several times was it discussed of just sending in a force to kill Jinx, and only Jinx. But certain Topsiders said "nah just wipe em all out". Jayce still further enables this by fixing Vis gloves and making Caitlin a hextech gun. No one in this show outside of the civilians (specifically the Zaunites not engaged with the Chem Gangs for Zaun) are innocent.
@@augmentedsoldier6676 Jinx is an example of what a "good gone bad" character is.. Yes, she might not be the reason for the endless war, but having to contribute massively cause her sister rejected her after the death of their father and closest friends is nothing to defend of...
Instead of redeeming herself and proving she is not a "jinx", she embraced it more than ever...
+ fighting the oppressor by becoming a puppet of another oppressor is ridiculous lol
the girl was groomed and nothing more.. sad lyf tbh
@@fatesteyneit2990 yeah I'm not trying to defend anyone person. They're all guilty parties as far as I'm concerned.
I think you shouldn't take everything Heimer says as the absolute truth.
For example, when he says the miracles of mages *always* turn into horror, it's just his experience, but far from the truth of Runeterra. Just look at Ionia, people live completely in tune with magic and nature. Same for Ixtal having many mages.
In Noxus, the black Rose has existed for 1000 years and leblanc even more, yet she never suffered or died from her extensive use of magic ? It never turned against her.
Good things turning bad is definitely *not* a property of the Arcane itself, and absolutely just a symptom of humanity's flaws and obsessions with power.
Heimerdinger is wrong, the runes can be the problem, you just have to look at the rune of power, the rune of power only serves to destroy, it is useful for nothing else, no matter how you use it, the rune of power will always destroy. 🤓🤓
I think it is a combination of the two
This feels like, funnily enough, they don't know enough on how to use the runes, and it got out control, as the hexgates themselved are not really something evil, unless you consider trains and buses to evil.
time line wise it still makes sense its different cannon for one and himer could've just seen a single world rune in action
Very nice analysis, I think if everything noticed the details what you did, jayce would be understood
thanks peapod!
Thy scream of the cultists whey Viktor died is the same as the scream when Ambessa kills Amara, and the black rose withers in her hand. This implies a direct connection, which must be the magic of the void.
How did Viktor get exposed to and probably corrupted by the void? It was via shimmer, but also the grey which is the source of his terminal disease slowly eating away at his insides.
And where did shimmer come from? Singed, who created it from the purple flowers deep underground, close to the source of the grey.
Connecting all of it, i think singed is a black rose sleeper agent, who knew of a source of the void beneath Zaun. Because the black rose knows spirit and void magic, he used his know how to create shimmer and gain huge influence for himself and the black rose in the cities.
We also see dark rose pettles in the chamber with Orianna.
Another connection is the bright green of chemtech that Singed is responsible for creating. It is similar to the bright green rune magic of the Noxian guy who charges up those stones to use with his glaive. Chemtech is also charge- based. Not only that but those stones have been described as being created by black rose artificers, so it is likely Singed used that kind of knowledge to create chemtech batteries.
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE.
In Jayces flashes seeing void spawn there are some key visual details. At first it looks like they have spines on top of their head, but if you look more closely, the crown of their skull is actually missing, and the brain has been hollowed out. There is a literal VOID where their mind should be. This explains why Jayce is so conflicted and tormented, he knows that in part these people are all still "alive" but they are being hollowed out by the void and that's truly horrifying to witness.
This brings us also back to the Grey. The slides Caitlin sees from the Kirramen house key shows that the Grey does to the body exactly what the void corruption does to the mind - hollows it out.
So yeah it's quite possible there is a major source of the void beneath Zaun that the black rose has a vital interest in either covering up or using for its own ends, Ambessa is likely after it, Mel is a key to unlocking it, and most of the characters are simply collateral damage to that whole hidden plot.
300 years is a long time pal. World war 1 and 2 were less than that
bro this was so good I replayed it twice instantly subscribed ❤ cang wait on saturday man 😭
Thanks Geb!! :)
In greek mythology Chaos was an empty, formless, and infinite space, or a great abyss. the begining
Absolutely fantastic video. You deserve more brother!
Thanks brother!! :)
07:42 "Singularity simultaniously self-replicating" said Viktor in the same time that we see Sky coming out of him in a certain way. It tend to confirm your hypothesis : she's just another version of Victor's own mind. 14:19 : And now I see that you had seen it too !
imagine getting spoiled by a unavoidable youtube title
In that scene with Singed and Viktor, I think Singed was trying to convince Viktor (for his own purpose) to use Warwicks regenerating blood, making Viktor more powerful in order to save his dying daughter.
Singed is manipulative character, he doesnt care about Viktor's emotions, his community or personal conquest. His mission is only to save his daughter and he'll do anything to achieve it, anything.
Thats why when he woke up after being attacked by Caitlyn, he then injected Warwick with something (probably a variant of shimmer) that caused him to go into frenzy and become a beast once more, serving Singed, causing chaos and continue his work on him....also my theory that he probably brought Viktor back to his lab where he injects Warwicks blood into the "dead" Viktor, making him stronger and more powerful so he can save his daughter
Subbed. You did a lot of bold thinking and it was fun to join you for the ride while you laid out your suggestions
Jayce is absolutely wrong. I think he's trying to prevent this terrible vision he's seen but I think he's just going to cause it instead. Just like Oedipus being sent away from home.
well there are some interesting lines from his new arcane survivor skin. see for yourself, having heard all the dialogues i kinda dont think this is gonna be some oedipal tragedy
Please check the new skin for Jayce
You did a great job on detailing lots of missed scenes brother!
Thanks alex!!
12:47 I missed this but GREAT attention to detail. Him asking Salo if he is still in there, wasn’t just to ask for him back but he was asking to see if there is any Salo left. So cool.
took me almost 20 minutes to realize this is a 3k sub channel. CRAZY?! Great quality editing and video format. Instant sub. Pointed out so many small details I missed.
He basically pulled a Aushwalen on his ppl stripping them of the energy he bestowed them but also their intrinsic energy turning them into the robot zombie looking things Jayce sees and maybe the fingerprints left on them are actually so deeply rooted that after their flesh was ripped from them it shows how the Arcane has taken root in them
So ur saying jayce was right to kill viktor because jayce traveled to a future reality where viktor has used the arcane to dominate the world which caused a negative outcome for the world and when jayce got sent back, him killing viktor was the right decision to make? Am I correct?
Maybe not viktor specifically. But a future dominated by arcane for sure. And it was bad, like really bad. Jayce wouldn’t kill Viktor without a very strong reason and no other option
It's possible that Victor will be the catalyst of that timeline, that's why Jayce decided to kill Victor .. He probably saw Victor lose his humanity and self as the Arcane took over him fully
I feel Jayce created the future he wanted to prevent. Like, he saw a future with emotionless Viktor and decided to kill him, but only managed to destroy his human side and push him towards what his visions showed him
12:15 Is this why Salo's breath isn't visible when he or victor speaks? because his mouth doesn't actually exist? Everyone else who entered that room had very clear clouds of breath when they spoke.
Not only was Jayce right, he promised his decade-long brother and partner Viktor he’d destroy the hex core on his deathbed.
Even if what you say ends up being true (which it honestly might be true(in some parts of your over all theory) I still don’t think Jayce was right or Justified in killing Salo, or killing Viktor. If anything he actually sealed Viktor’s fate in him becoming the version of him in league. If anything Jayce’s home reality might actually be the one where Viktor was actually accomplishing some good.
When Viktor is speaking with singed about Warwick, he points out to him that he doesn’t want to sacrifice Vander’s humanity just to save him. To me, this implies that he doesn’t want the same for any of the people who live in his small society. Additionally, I don’t know why people thinking that him healing all these people and lifting them up from their previous position in a damn near hell is a bad thing. And maybe one can say that it is because Viktor can assume control over people’s minds and bodies. But beyond that, what exactly has Viktor done that warrants Jayce’s violent and arguably unjustifiable actions towards him? And I’m not talking about theories, because at this time in the show, we don’t even know what Jayce saw. Heck, he could have been influenced by the Arcane itself (or worse, the void) to take action against Viktor because the Arcane/Void wanted Viktor to die so that he could be reborn as the version of him in the game. Because the Arcane/void wanted to spread itself like it did in other realities.
The power/magic working through Viktor, or that Viktor is wielding itself on the other hand, doesn’t really seem Voidy itself to me. In fact it feels more celestial in nature.
On a final note, regarding Viktor healing the people in his society, and what you said about them being completely gone from being overtaken by the hex core within Viktor (or Hextech) I don’t think this is true. When you pointed out that Salo was completely gone and over taken by Hextech/the hex core, Viktor who is speaking through Salo doesn’t reply to Jayce that Salo is alright, but instead Salo himself tells Jayce. If what you said is correct, then why didn’t Viktor just straight up tell Jayce that Salo was fine? To me that would have suggested that, no, Salo was in fact not fine. But instead Viktor let Salo talk.
Additionally, i think because Salo said that he would reach out to Viktor so that Jayce could speak to him, that him being almost mind controlled by Viktor was consensual in a way.
I don’t know why people are automatically writing Viktor off as a Villain already, when by all accounts, at least in this time in the show, he is more of a heroic character than a villainous one. And like I pointed out before, if anything, Jayce actually set him down the path in which he becomes a villain/the machine herald.
It’s like Oogway said “One often finds his destiny on the path he takes to avoid it”.
Apparently, people actually easily believe that Jayce decision in outright killing Viktor was right. There's too much Jayce glazers out there that don't think outside of what are the implications of Jayce decision other than Viktor = villain.
One thing I noticed was that when Jayce and Salo are talking, and the camera shot is looking at a character through the translucent wild rune, Salo’s eyes are dark and Jayce’s eyes are glowing. Not sure if it means anything especially with how Jayce’s eyes seem to be affected the most by his time in the rune.
I kept looking at this but wasn’t sure if I was just seeing things. Felt like they kept showing them pass behind the rays for a reason, paused it multiple times.
That salo had no breadth was another big sign in this room that I missed
Uk i have couple of my own theory
Ppls talk a lot abt how salo doesnt seem to breathe cold air, he doesnt feel cold in 5he chamber, he's not "living" anymore, just a hive mind and corpse
Also, we can see multiple versions of jayce before he kills viktor, jayce qas trying to talk it out, not kill viktor but then the "2nd will" killed viktor
Lastly, as viktor says "chaos wins" at the end, or something like that, the cogwheel finally falls and the side us the one with colour, chaotic splashes of colour, chaos did win over the clean side.
Jace was right, I love it! Always here for a misunderstood character doing what he knows is right even if it's questionable or considered wrong by others' who can't see the whole picture.
Great video and analysis, you got my like and subscription. Keep up the great work!
I personally think Hextech itself as a tool isn't the problem. It's probably more using Hextech on LIVING things.
The Hexgates who transport ships+people got corrupted, and Viktor who used it on himself + shimmer even more so.
The other tools did only make problems when the wild rune reacted, but aside from that they seem still fine.
Man, great video. Thx!!
Thanks Fit! Glad you liked it :)
One thing i noticed: in the Ryze cinematic (and I guess that we may agree that Ryze is somehow involved) we can see at the very end (when he leaves the room with crystals) that one pillar still has an empty space. And by the colors it can be deduced that the missing one is Inspiration.
What is more, we can also spot Ryze fighting Vel’Koz, that is probably tempted by new knowledge source. Bearing in mind that he is present in Runterra, it may mean that somehow he may also play a role in the final Act.
Just a few ideas of my own. Capitain Teemo (off) duty!
small channel to small channel. this video was amazing. i recently got into arcane and ive never played LOL but damn man every youtuber who talks ab it sounds so good. and youre no exception. def subbing keep up that good work man and hopefully one day if i ever do get into LOL i can keep up alot better with your videos haha!
Small channel to small channel, we will keep growing and I'm a big fan of Jujutsu Kaisen!!
Thanks akuto! And I mostly play Legends of Runeterra but League of Legends is great too! All my lore videos start under the assumption that people know nothing so be sure to check them out!
Also I subbed
@@entgrove is legends of runeterra connected to LOL or is it like a "same universe but separated story" kinda deal? also thanks for the sub goat!!
Wow i actually enjoyed this video man its so cool keep it up brother
Thanks aki!!
“A singularity simultaneously self-replicating and self-annihilating”
So fun fact, a singularity in physics is something infinitely dense, like something that warps space time, like a black hole. And also a singularity is a name for when technology hits a point that it’s basically self persisting and evolves without human influence.
Interesting that the “wild rune” might be an intensely densely packed system of arcane magic, yet it still has space inside of it, or at least, an empty space as we can perceive it. Maybe that wild rune is like a capsule containing a form of concentrated arcane magic.
Also, I like to think that’s what Jayce experienced-he was constantly replicated and annihilated by the rune, maybe even across dimensions, as the rune constantly re-assembled and disassembled Jayce, like he was a curiosity for the rune to “learn” from. That’s part of why he vibrates and fades and sees flashes of the world differently. Maybe he’s still experiencing being dissected and rebuilt by the arcane. That would be fucked up lol
Something to add to the discussion:
I think what we're watching here is the reason why Jayce is known as "The Defender of Tomorrow". Probably, this is the way the Riot is telling the story of how Jayce got that title, or at least the beginning of it. In the other side, Singed "reviving" Viktor would also add to the lore by redirecting Viktor as what we know of him in the current lore.
I'm really anxious to watch the next three episodes. I hope we can see some time travelling done by Ekko, and it would be great if Camille or Renata appears because the Camille's family was already mentioned and Renata is supposed to be one of the people who financed the Viktor experiments in Zaun.
This is basically exactly what I'm thinking. You missed one part. Salo entered through a portal at the wild rune and took jayce out by touching wild rune corruption like heimerdinger did. We know it's a portal because sky says she heard something as the portal closed. So jayce doesn't 'come back' on his own, Salo enters the wild rune and takes him out or heals the corruption maybe. Possibly pointing to the fact that Viktor has some power over the corruption at least temporarily while he still has juice.
Also I think he was taking the hextech gemstone battery out to heal it, not try to recharge with it, but maybe that's wrong.
Also what do you think of sky being the main source of power for Viktor. Like her entire being was basically eaten for fuel by the void hexcore.That is what powered his butterfly like transformation into this hextech god. Sacrifice. Blood magic, death magic aka void magic combined with hextech. Which is why his power is finite. If he wants more power he would have to absorb more people. Why else would the rune just disintegrate her? Collateral damage? No. It consumed her and is powering his entire commune and healing with her energy. Maybe.
Also I think the hextech gemstone is the will inside jayce which is why he is hiding it. He's being pressured by the will of hextech to destroy the void corrupted arcane(aka shimmer hextech which is what Viktor is made of and the power he's using to create a temporary utopia)
Heimerdinger and co entered the wild rune of chaos when heimerdinger touched the corruption(which some people say might be the shimmer blood that Viktor coughed up over the edge of the rail in s1 but I'm not so sure of that)
Let me know what y'all think of these ideas
I thought the 'portal' closing was just loosing the connection to Salo and his eyes closing
@entgrove hm ok. We shall see. I think it's more likely that those 3 going into a portal into the wild rune is more likely than the portal being between Viktor and Salo. That's more of a connection not a portal. A portal transports people between dimensions or places which is what happened to heimerdinger ekko and jayce. But I wouldn't rule out either way. Great content btw
I personally still don't think the guy that helped Jayce was Ryze. Ryze is blue and he doesn't go anywhere without his scrolls lol. I think they might have been close to Mount Targon. "changed beyond all recognition, imbued by an Aspect of unearthly, inhuman power with a destiny few mortals can comprehend." I think they ran into to someone from Mount Targon. Ryze can teleport, but I don't think in the same way as what that mage did. That's some celestial level magic. I could be 100% wrong though lol.
Also the sound all the people make when Viktor dies reminds me at points of the dial up sound almost. Or the sound they make in The Matrix. I wonder if that's all the life/energy Viktor gave them going back to the source/Viktor.
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