There was a Toriyama interview that said that Toriyama didn't like Vegeta, but he found Vegeta to be extremely helpful for the plot, further showing how much Vegeta was needed. I'd argue that without Vegeta, the Namek saga, and the Buu Saga, the arc would not be the same. Thank goodness for people voting for Vegeta in terms of popularity, otherwise we would have not have Dragon Ball as the story as it is today.
Kondo cracked the whip, so AT followed his lead, yes. Fans made the same mistake Gokeks do (writing the author with requests/pleads **refer to shipping Bulma with Goku, having him win Budokai, etc.**). Toribot rode the line (doing both). Knew he had to keep him around, wanted to somewhat use his old plan and do as ordered by best editor. Thus, kill of in humiliating fashion very briefly only to return to life (then shower with flowers **and repeat this process more or less**). Reborn a different character existing as plot convenience (earning favor from the creator more than moving merch ever could). Amusingly, Kondo had cited that Vegeta had an usually high favor with the female audience (somehow before the Saiyan Saga was complete). I suspect his future wife knows how that could be so ("Studly bad guy come to me~"). Akira didn't really get it (not with that haircut, the qualities of Wukong possessed, representing Imperial Japan, etc.). A gag mangaka couldn't be expected to figure this out on his own, so it is good he had someone guiding him (as with the shift earlier leading to the creation of someone like Vegeta in the first place **with a tale like what the "Saiyans" are**).
I really thank you for the subtitles. I'm working right now, no ones has come to the reception in hours but obviously we cannot stand there watching a RUclips video, or listening to it. And RUclips's subtitles are very bad when it comes to anime and manga names.
I REALLY hate the fact that people tend to downplay the second battle with Goku and Vegeta as SSJ2 cause of SSJ3. It was a FANTASTIC battle with great build up, peak animation and hands. Ofc can’t forget speech and Vegeta’s internal struggle. Also themes of angles and demons as well between Goku and Vegeta. That battle was pure art. My favorite DBZ fight hands down.
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I mostly agree, but I don't think letting cell power up is stupid only in hindsight, he literally did this with frieza and became a blubbering mess thereafter, he had no way of knowing that Cell wouldn't literally become immortal or something by gaining perfection.
Honestly every relevant character (Goku, Gohan, Krillan, Piccolo, Vegeta, Bulma, and Trunks) could all be described like this. From the beginning of the Saiyan Saga up until the end of Cell every character was handled very well and with great intent. It makes me question Toriyamas claim that none of this was planned in advance because if he never said that I'd SWEAR that everything up until Cell was preplanned. The only characters that aren't utilized very much are Choutzu, Yamacha, and Tien though even he gets some solid memorable moments like his final stand against Nappa and the now infamous Ki Ko Ho against Cell. But realistically they wouldn't have contributed much anyway so I don't really care that they are relegated to the background.
in dragon ball super he had conveniently met beerus when he was a child so he was good for portraying how much danger everyone was in without beerus having to be malicious
Should do a video going into what could have happened if Nail went to fight the Ginyu force. Maybe like a gauntlet style video going into how each fight would have went
If Vegeta didn't let cell absorb #18 or if Krillin used the remote then Semi-perfect Cell being cornered would have used self destruction🎉🎉 and then probably recovered❤ with vegeta and trunks power ups💪 with final flash💥. Earth🌏 would be destroyed and goku Gohan trapped in the hyperbolic time chamber🕝.
vegeta is almost always used to increase the stakes of the main plot. He has his moments when he is not that, especially in super, but for the most part in Z, that's his role, and how he achieves it is a little different every time.
I think Vegeta’s pride and character is very misunderstood. Especially when it comes to his worrier race! I mean these people were literally made a blood built for battle. So we on earth call it pride where on his planet it’s a heart thing. We think it’s stupid to let the opponent get stronger but for them it’s a honor to fight strong opponents! It almost reminds me as a samurai culture. The reason why he took defeat so hard from Goku is because to take the defeat and be shown mercy is a disgrace to the samurai culture and disrespectful. They rather die on a battlefield fighting with their pride and honor, then to be shown mercy. Same thing with Vegeta.
There’s more I would love to elaborate, but it’s just way too long for typing. It’s just something that needs to be said in a podcast I could even point to chapters where this is evident
Lets nappa kill everyone in the saiyan saga Anatgonize gohan , krillin and dende for all of the namek saga Makes cell perfect and gives the androids a motive to fight the z warriors. Kills shenlong frist wish and Awakens buu Vegeta was really the antagonize of all of z.
I dont personally vegeta is all that special, he's just there so we don't get any other characters. And he doesn't even beat anybody. Hes just gokus boyfriend in super 😐
even without vegeta's help cell would've become perfect. trunks is so ass in that encounter. vegeta was either trolling or wrong when he said they were close. he might be a semi perfect cell victim ngl 😬
Dude can’t even win against Vegeta when jumping (lol **lmao**). The protagonism fumbler ain’t beat shit of value solo. Takes L’s making no sense. Pitting him against other verses? Wild, but that’s how Carrot Cult gets down.
@@666hauntednightnares1 >can solo A buffet? Can't even get over against bees. >experience At jobbing? Few are more practiced than he. >anime But enough about the adaptation (secondary material for non-canon, illegitimate, inauthentic partaking of the tale). >weeping Seventeen more of those to tie with the true count for CRYalot. One higher? A number so high he couldn't even count (solo). Also, the name of an opp he put over (along with the common cold **not just literal cold**).
Unpopular opinion: Final Flash shouldve killed Cell, and land us right in Buu Saga earlier. Gohan Still has something to train for and do, Vegeta gets the win he needs, and the plot runs smoother.
Don't think we forgot about the hentai MC power scaling video you owe us
Wait, what? 😂
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i struggle to imagine any getting past city block level 💀
Huh
This.
Of course DBZ needed him, without the cup there would be nothing to hold the drink.
There was a Toriyama interview that said that Toriyama didn't like Vegeta, but he found Vegeta to be extremely helpful for the plot, further showing how much Vegeta was needed. I'd argue that without Vegeta, the Namek saga, and the Buu Saga, the arc would not be the same. Thank goodness for people voting for Vegeta in terms of popularity, otherwise we would have not have Dragon Ball as the story as it is today.
Funniest thing is Vegeta died in the Namek Saga, because Fans were requesting him to keep around.
@@LowkeyRJ. So that is where Gege got his mentality
Kondo cracked the whip, so AT followed his lead, yes. Fans made the same mistake Gokeks do (writing the author with requests/pleads **refer to shipping Bulma with Goku, having him win Budokai, etc.**). Toribot rode the line (doing both). Knew he had to keep him around, wanted to somewhat use his old plan and do as ordered by best editor. Thus, kill of in humiliating fashion very briefly only to return to life (then shower with flowers **and repeat this process more or less**). Reborn a different character existing as plot convenience (earning favor from the creator more than moving merch ever could).
Amusingly, Kondo had cited that Vegeta had an usually high favor with the female audience (somehow before the Saiyan Saga was complete). I suspect his future wife knows how that could be so ("Studly bad guy come to me~"). Akira didn't really get it (not with that haircut, the qualities of Wukong possessed, representing Imperial Japan, etc.). A gag mangaka couldn't be expected to figure this out on his own, so it is good he had someone guiding him (as with the shift earlier leading to the creation of someone like Vegeta in the first place **with a tale like what the "Saiyans" are**).
I really thank you for the subtitles. I'm working right now, no ones has come to the reception in hours but obviously we cannot stand there watching a RUclips video, or listening to it. And RUclips's subtitles are very bad when it comes to anime and manga names.
I REALLY hate the fact that people tend to downplay the second battle with Goku and Vegeta as SSJ2 cause of SSJ3. It was a FANTASTIC battle with great build up, peak animation and hands. Ofc can’t forget speech and Vegeta’s internal struggle. Also themes of angles and demons as well between Goku and Vegeta. That battle was pure art. My favorite DBZ fight hands down.
Same
Vegeta will always be one of my favorite characters
Same.
Vegeta isn't just a plot device he married plot device we call bluma.
those two plot devices combined to make liquidity, the drink
@@lastsamurai5861if vegeta is the cup, then what's that make bulma?
And birthed the cell arc plot device, Trunks
@@ophelia_rarthe juicebox
@@cloud._266 maybe when she was a kid...
Vegeta is peak plot device and character
Vegeta is the best DB character by a comfortable margin.
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@@sdewt825 he did nothing wrong 🤪
@@kadensverse bro
or maybe we just THINK we're awake
Vegeta is a case study in jealousy but Goddamn is he an incredible character. Even though, Goku is my favorite. Vegeta is incredible.
You also forgot how Vegeta indirectly affected the plot, by being trunks father
They call him the Drink
It's funny how the Buu saga entirely falls apart right after Vegeta dies.
To be fair, it wasn’t exactly on steady ground before he died
I mostly agree, but I don't think letting cell power up is stupid only in hindsight, he literally did this with frieza and became a blubbering mess thereafter, he had no way of knowing that Cell wouldn't literally become immortal or something by gaining perfection.
Damn, that title might get the Vegeta fans wildin’ from the start
Vegeta carries Dragon Ball fr🗿
I fw your dragon ball vids heavy keep cookin
Vegeta pulling up and handling 19&20 was good, followed by 18 giving him that work. It really showed the minimum power level you need to be a threat
He is the number 1 proactive character in all of Z now that i think about it lol.
Vegeta is imo the best character in dragon ball
Vegeta was needed for Goku crucial progression as a character in the Namek Saga and he was needed because we needed Trunks to save Goku😂
Feels illegal to be this early
Good video Six. Well made.
Goat character
Honestly every relevant character (Goku, Gohan, Krillan, Piccolo, Vegeta, Bulma, and Trunks) could all be described like this. From the beginning of the Saiyan Saga up until the end of Cell every character was handled very well and with great intent. It makes me question Toriyamas claim that none of this was planned in advance because if he never said that I'd SWEAR that everything up until Cell was preplanned.
The only characters that aren't utilized very much are Choutzu, Yamacha, and Tien though even he gets some solid memorable moments like his final stand against Nappa and the now infamous Ki Ko Ho against Cell. But realistically they wouldn't have contributed much anyway so I don't really care that they are relegated to the background.
I think i just need to stop looking at the subtitles on Six videos
in dragon ball super he had conveniently met beerus when he was a child so he was good for portraying how much danger everyone was in without beerus having to be malicious
Should do a video going into what could have happened if Nail went to fight the Ginyu force. Maybe like a gauntlet style video going into how each fight would have went
Still love Majin Vegeta though
Still crazy Toriyama wanted to kill bro off.
Kondo knew best.
My fav character fr
0:22 whats going on here
and here 2:49
I’m wondering the same thing and it seems no one else saw it 😭😭had me thinking I was in the matrix
He use to do that in his older videos too. No idea why
lol he does it all the time. Inside joke type time I guess you can say for ppl who watch his vids
@@Kobeni2xnaw we all saw it just used to it
He really my goat
All these W db videos
If Vegeta didn't let cell absorb #18 or if Krillin used the remote then Semi-perfect Cell being cornered would have used self destruction🎉🎉 and then probably recovered❤ with vegeta and trunks power ups💪 with final flash💥. Earth🌏 would be destroyed and goku Gohan trapped in the hyperbolic time chamber🕝.
More training for both of them to be honest.
Six trolling with the subtitles again
vegeta is almost always used to increase the stakes of the main plot. He has his moments when he is not that, especially in super, but for the most part in Z, that's his role, and how he achieves it is a little different every time.
this dude six really got a vendetta against me on his live streams bro😭
Wake up your favorite Dragon Ball Tuber uploaded.
wake up
The subliminal messaging in the captions bit was funny the first couple videos but it's gotten pretty old IMO
nice vid
I think Vegeta’s pride and character is very misunderstood.
Especially when it comes to his worrier race! I mean these people were literally made a blood built for battle.
So we on earth call it pride where on his planet it’s a heart thing.
We think it’s stupid to let the opponent get stronger but for them it’s a honor to fight strong opponents!
It almost reminds me as a samurai culture.
The reason why he took defeat so hard from Goku is because to take the defeat and be shown mercy is a disgrace to the samurai culture and disrespectful. They rather die on a battlefield fighting with their pride and honor, then to be shown mercy. Same thing with Vegeta.
There’s more I would love to elaborate, but it’s just way too long for typing.
It’s just something that needs to be said in a podcast I could even point to chapters where this is evident
Good points, but he uses dirty tactics in his namek battles, honour dont matter in survival
Video on vegeta ultra ego
The Drink's Dad, The Beer
Is this an ARG or something cuz why is wake up keep appearing in your videos??
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Do a video about Cell next please bossman
That way you can put off making the hentai Mc power scaling for a bit longer as well!
Yo six can you please make a video on ufc undisputed 3?
The wake up thing is pretty annoying
Yeah it was at the very least unexpected the first time he did it, now it just detracts from the video
@@yeyo1019 what wake up thing
Yeah.......... and Goku.
.... and Gohan..... Piccolo..... Krillin lol
This guy's got a big brain
Wake up it's just a dream
I peferred when his name was piccolo jr./ the nameless namekian
What’s up with 6ixs voice?
whats the ost in the intro?
Lets nappa kill everyone in the saiyan saga
Anatgonize gohan , krillin and dende for all of the namek saga
Makes cell perfect and gives the androids a motive to fight the z warriors.
Kills shenlong frist wish and Awakens buu
Vegeta was really the antagonize of all of z.
Six is so based for using Kai footage instead of using the original Z Dub.
Absolutely shameful what happens to him in super
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From Best Plot Device to *NEEDED.*
wym by that gang. better not be Vegeta slander.
Vegeta is Toriyama's critique on Men!
Pin? Vegito>Gogeta
I dont personally vegeta is all that special, he's just there so we don't get any other characters. And he doesn't even beat anybody. Hes just gokus boyfriend in super 😐
Lol
I saved you from internal damnation you now have 667 likes I’ll take 50% of the vids income
Wake up
Vegeta aint even that big
even without vegeta's help cell would've become perfect. trunks is so ass in that encounter. vegeta was either trolling or wrong when he said they were close. he might be a semi perfect cell victim ngl 😬
Meh
Sigh db fans high off of copium thinking Goku solos
Dude can’t even win against Vegeta when jumping (lol **lmao**). The protagonism fumbler ain’t beat shit of value solo. Takes L’s making no sense. Pitting him against other verses? Wild, but that’s how Carrot Cult gets down.
I hate Dbz and I know Goku CAN solo because he has experience but what do I care 😂
Stop watching anime
@@666hauntednightnares1 >can solo
A buffet? Can't even get over against bees.
>experience
At jobbing? Few are more practiced than he.
>anime
But enough about the adaptation (secondary material for non-canon, illegitimate, inauthentic partaking of the tale).
>weeping
Seventeen more of those to tie with the true count for CRYalot. One higher? A number so high he couldn't even count (solo). Also, the name of an opp he put over (along with the common cold **not just literal cold**).
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Dragon ball is a bigger cashgrab then boruto and that's saying something
1 view in 1 minute bro fell off
Goku is main character.
Gohan is protagonist.
Vegeta is hype
Unpopular opinion: Final Flash shouldve killed Cell, and land us right in Buu Saga earlier. Gohan Still has something to train for and do, Vegeta gets the win he needs, and the plot runs smoother.
Also makes it more viable for Dabura being as strong as Cell for Gohan fight
Heck no