Okay guys finished "What if?" and it ended sooooo much better than I think we could expect!! I hope you enjoy the reaction as always, if you want to come join me tonight and vibe/chill ill be live on twitch at 7:30pm GMT (www.twitch.tv/ricopresents), also if you want to catch up to where we are currently check out the Patreon all links are in the bio!!!
don't know if Patreon users told you back then, but these What If...? episodes screwed a major Marvel Multiverse rule just to give multiversal-wide battles Infinity Stones do ABSOLUTELY NOT work anywhere outside of their own universe at all, but the writers decided to ignore that rule just because they wanted OP Ultron to use them everywhere
i got the answer to the question about the stones from a few comicbook content creators. In the comics the stones only work in their given universe. The MCU is doing it different. The stones in the MCU do work in other universes but they dont work in some pocket dimension type areas. The stones did not work in Loki at the end of time or at the TVA because they were in some type of pocket dimension that exist outside the multiverse. Dimensions/Universes are different things in the comics and MCU. I think the TVA's location will be revealed during the next antman and it will shine more light on this conversation.
Rico idk how far ahead you are but another reminder you will need to have watched the Raimi Spiderman Trilogy and the Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 before The marvel Spiderman No Way Home, because of multiverse shenanigans brings the villians from those movies into that one. TRUST ME... its pivotal that you and Monica see those 5 movies. It's like needing to see all the MCU Movies to understand endgame
Wow it took me this long to get that lol that makes SO much sense cause the finale has elements of all the other previous episodes, even zombie Wanda, and always bothered me that episode 3 didn't have anything into the finale....until you blew my mind 🤣
Awesome to see Monica go from "eww, cartoons" to "i LOVED it". The animation was 100% necessary to give them complete flexibility in all stories, without having to de-age actors, bring actors in from previous movies who are busy with other projects, and the other hundreds of factors that limit a "live action" production. With the animation, they could use ANY character, in ANY setting, in ANY story, in ANY way! Amazing to see how far the MCU has come and is still going! All the best on your continuing journey!
I like how at the first episode you can tell by her reaction that she detests the series being in cartoon form but as she heard the what if stormiest and she knew our timelines version she fell in love with this series
Every time a stone was taken out of the timeline in Endgame, technically those were stones from other timeline realities. So if you think about it long enough, we’ve already seen the stones being used outside of their original universe. The reason the stones don’t work in the TVA is because nothing magical or technological (that isn’t controlled by Kang) would work in that pocket reality. I imagine the “why” that’s the case may be something explored in a future Loki season, but mostly it’s probably because Kang has the ability to control unpredictable variables like infinity stones and has warded off the tva from its use (similar to how Wanda can use runes to prevent someone else from using their magic in a space)
though this is a valid opinion, in general all the universes have their own set of infinity stones. and it is shown and explained many times that the stones can only work in the universe they were created in. So yeah, I was also confused about ultron being able to use the stones in all the universes.. I think it just plays on the idea that "anything can happen" rather than what we already know from the MCU..
@@WaddIes I don't remember any MCU movie, series or even tie-in comics where it's said that the stone only work in the universe they were created in. On the contrary, we've seen the stones from 4 different realities being used in the main reality in Endgame.
@@louisfrancisco2171 they were from different timelines but still the same universe so it still makes sense. in the comics it was well known that the stones/gems can only work in their respective universe they originate from. theres been stories of people trying to take over multiple universes with the stones but failed when their stones didnt work. the MCU hasn't said or shown if this is the case. We can assume it is for now since WHAT IF series is sort of its own thing (based on a its own comic series)
@@louisfrancisco2171 I looked up a little bit more information and apparently when they were in the TVA it was supposed to confirm that the stones DO NOT work in other universes when the stones didnt work in the TVA.. saying that the TVA was outside of the universe... basically people think the TVA is between universes..
the reason the stones dont work in the TVA (from loki) is because in that one specific place (the TVA) no magic works, including the stones. they do work everywhere else
It's so funny how I always long for Monica's approval lol. If she is not impressed, I feel like we failed lol. She is hard to please, but I am always happy when she say's she "loved it". I can now sleep tonight :). Kudos Rico!
I don’t long for her approval just thought she was too primitive to enjoy anything but live action, great turns out she can, more enjoyable reaction that way but could care less ab her approval
Fun fact: Uatu the Watcher had NEVER actively fought against anyone before since his first appearence in 1963 Edit: so, apparently this is actually the second time, since a What If...? comic from 1992 I didn't know about features it
I love when we get to the end because that’s when Monica is the most invested and when she’s into it, she brings a great practical perspective I wish more reactors and people in general had.
Apparently, there is an episode that never aired involving Gamora. I would love to see if that episode ever gets released, even if in unfinished form. I cannot wait for What If...? Season 2, which was already announced. I do wonder, though, if that sphere holding Ultron vs Killmonger will eventually break somehow. I think these What If...? episodes also goes to show what could've been possible or could've happened in the MCU. For example, Vision could have theoretically defeated Thanos.
The reason that the infinite stones isn't important to the time keepers is as simple as, they don't need it... no matter how powerful the infinite stones are these are no use to them. On the other hand, to other people or I should say to villains... they can literally rule the entire universe with them. If you Rico you go to another universe, you can meet the Rico in that universe(of course if you exist in that particular universe). Then it works the same way as the infinity stone... you take one stone and go to another. You can have 2 of the same stones. Again simple and logical.
My own interpretation is, the stones in that drawer in the TVA are from timelines that have been pruned, so their universes no longer exist, leaving the stones with no power.
in general all the universes have their own set of infinity stones. and it is shown and explained many times that the stones can only work in the universe they were created in. So yeah, I was also confused about ultron being able to use the stones in all the universes.. I think it just plays on the idea that "anything can happen" rather than what we already know from the MCU..
So excited for Season 2 of What If?, I can't wait for more crazy, alternative "what-if" scenarios, with both our beloved established MCU veterans and the new characters introduced throughout Phase 4
So in the comics, as far as I know, the stones can only be used in the universe they came from. So they don’t work in other universes In the MCU it’s slightly different, according to What If, they can be used in other universes. The TVA is an exception because the TVA is it’s own little pocket dimension where space and time don’t matter, therefore the stones don’t work there
Data the creators of the series confirmed that ultron did not use the gems in other universes, he used them only in his armor to enhance them and as his armor if it was from his universe if he could use them to empower himself but if he wanted to do something like eliminate the entire population through He couldn't click, that's why he went to each universe with his robots and he didn't disappear them with clicks since he empowers himself and in the only universe where he used his gems was in his another thing that they did not confirm and it is a theory of mine is why the supreme strange gem worked and it is that his gem worked because he modified it at the end of his chapter and that is why he destroyed his universe, so now it is usable in all the universes
@@nadie7529 let's start with the fact that I never heard of such statement before, but that may also be a miss of mine With that said, it doesn't matter what the creators may state just to try and correct themselves, what is ON-SCREEN is what matters first, and the screen clearly show the Gems get activated in very specific moments while out of their universe The Gems being used doesn't mean they simply "Snap" people away... They can do anything the user can think. FGS, Ultron becomes even bigger than Galactus and chomps a whole galaxy!! That's the same of what happened with *Superman&Lois* SPOILER if you didn't watch the show - - - The titular characters clearly adress the Crisis during the series, making it clear they are the Earth-Prime characters (no variant in the whole Multiverse knows about the Crisis, as they are the only ones that got their memory restored by J'onn, even among the very few Supermen that were part of it), along with many other clear scenes Despite that, after season 2, the writers "stated" that this is a different universe where Superman is the only hero It doesn't matter if they say that after two whole seasons of the show, if THE SHOW ITSELF clearly contradicts their words. The show is what actually matters first as the canon If the really want to make it a whole different thing, deliver an actual good explanation, instead of saying "it is like this", and this case has no chance of it being true in any possible scenario. It is just bad writing.
Rico idk how far ahead you are but another reminder you will need to have watched the Raimi Spiderman Trilogy and the Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 before The marvel Spiderman No Way Home, because of multiverse shenanigans brings the villians from those movies into that one. TRUST ME... its pivotal that you and Monica see those 5 movies. It's like needing to see all the MCU Movies to understand endgame
There is a comic in which gamora is tormented by thanos spirit and makes her gather the infinity stones to complete his deed. Loki whose also trying to gather the stones, travels through the multiverse and confirms that unlike in what if, the stones only work on their own universes. In some point Loki arrives to a common space between universes, sort of a limbo island where no stone works. Guess the MCUs taking its own aproach on this, but until now it has not been explicitly stated why the stones work or not. I believe the comic is called infinity wars #num, if anyone wants to check it out.
@@louisfrancisco2171 Thanks for confirming You don't like them, so you mark them as non-relevant despite existing Always a pleasure to bust people like you out😎
Being an avid comic book nerd from the 70s I knew the concept of the episodes and know they are not canon but I was not expecting this series to be this phenomenal. The MCU flavor gave it an interesting interesting twist and the finale was A plus.
I think the best explanation for the stones is the TVA existed outside of all time so was not connected to any universe those stones were created in. Also, those stones were collected from time lines that were ultimately erased which would in theory give them no power.
Great reaction!! This season was awesome. As a WAY younger man every 30 days I was sure to get that month's What If comic. It was an awesome way to do an anthogy. That said, like you two, I was so excited to see the characters brought together for a common purpose to tie it all together.. The reason Dr Strange's Time Stone was able to operate simultaneously with Ultron's was TIME in each of their respective universes was juuuust unique enough to function independently, each having its own time continuum. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
In the comics, the Infinity Stones have no power outside of their own universe. So to be able to use all of the stones at the same time, they all have to be from the same universe that you're currently in. The TVA is outside of time. They're kind of between universes. The stones have no power there.
The TVA exists outside of time and space. It was specifically built there to negate any kind of special abilities, which is why Loki and Sylvie can't use their magic and why the stones are useless rocks. Loki: "Is this the greatest power in the universe?"
With Ultron and the Stones, the whole, stones only work in their universes thing, was only established in Loki. It's a relatively new rule in the respect of the shows (I don't know the comic implications at all, someone feel free to chime in). From what I know, he showrunners for Loki and What If...? were in development at the same time so the rule wasn't passed along in a timely manner. I think I remember the What If person basically saying "Whoops" after Loki aired. That being said. Why isn't it plausible for there to be a series of universes that has "transferable" stones. But yeah, its a bit of a snafu.
it isn't plausible because Gamora's machine would have otherwise worked anyways, comics stated multiple times that Infinity Stones are just shiny rocks when outside their own universe. gonna share two big ones: We see 3 Reed Richards holding their version of an Infinity Gauntlet during a "Council of Reeds" (don't know the location, but not in any of their universes) and one of them tells Reed-616 that Stones are useless outside their native universe in the JLA/Avengers crossover, Darkseid analyzes the Stones he got from Thanos, but since they're useless in the DC Universe, he decides he doesn't need them
@@harlequingnoll5 TVA is anti-magic, BUT the Stones do not work outside of their universe as their own rule... unless the writer is the one that wrote these non-sense episodes
It was never established in Loki that the stones don't work outside their universe. It was only established that they don't work at the TVA. Endgame established that the stones do work outside their native realities.
*What If...?* S1 Episodes Ranked 1. 1x08: "Ultron Won?" 2. 1x04: "Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands?" 3. 1x09: "The Watcher Broke His Oath?" 4. 1x05: "Zombies!?" 5. 1x02: "T'Challa Became a Star-Lord?" 6. 1x03: "The World Lost Its Mightiest Heroes?" 7. 1x01: "Captain Carter Were the First Avenger?" 8. 1x06: "Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?" 9. 1x07: "Thor Were an Only Child?"
The TVA exists out of the physical dimension so the stones dont work there but they can work in any universe regardless from which universe they are from.
1) the TVA exist outside of any known universe. That's why the infinity stones did not work there. 2) they brought black widow back to the world (episode) where Hank Pym killed her and the rest of the avengers. Remember that episode ended with Loki taking over and Fury finding cap with Capt Marvel
Regarding with your question about the stones working in other universes and in TVA it doesn't work. I think it's because in Loki series, the TVA is also likr a pocket universe or dimension that the (Kang/he who remains) created, so that all types powers are restricted only in that place, remember the 2 lokis got their powers back when they are outside of TVA. And that is why I think stones in What if can be used in different universes here.
I think it's because the stones had power in the universe but the TVA is out of the timeline of that universe and that's why the stones doesn't had power on it
My theory why the stones don't work in the TVA is that, the TVA is in the Quantum Realm. The Stones are just to small to be powerfull anymore. I base this idea on the fact that Kang will be in Antman ant the Wasp Quantumania.
I mean, is Thor using the hammer really cheating if he can be stronger without it? Like in Ragnarok? Also, the TVA was able to nullify the power of the Stones, as well as other types of energy, like Magic. Ultron was simply not in the TVA, and that’s why they still worked. Fun Fact: In the comics, the Stones don’t work outside of their native universe. Each universe has their own unique set. I like the way the comics do it, because that means that in the MCU, you could actually have infinite sets of stones. Which sounds absolutely insane.
The answer from the comics would be the TVA is not in the universe but in a pocket reality at the end of time. Nothing from any universe in the multiverse would have any power there. The MCU TVA is the same but different. It is not suppose to be in any universe but they have not explained that but probably will as the Multiverse Saga gets closer.
Putting Mjolnir down on Captain Marvel shouldn't have worked. Why? Odin hasn't put the "worthy" enchantment in this timeline. There's absolutely 0 way that Mjolnir would consider Thor worthy to wield it during this timeline, but remember it didn't need to before Odin put that enchantment on it. Plot hole.
The stones do work anywhere in the multiverse but they don't work in tva because it's beyond the multiverse(beyond space-time),so the stones become inert and also in loki the timelines from which the stones were bought from are pruned so the stones are deactivated,finally watcher's realm is in b/w universes not beyond so the stones work there without any problem.
Please react to Spiderman 1, 2 and 3 of Tobey Maguire version and also react to The Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 of Andrew Garfield version and also react to Venom and Venom let there be carnage. Please react to all these before watching Spiderman no way home.
No u r wrong.... Stones r different on different universes... But they work in any universe.... TVA is a institution/organization built a way that any kind of magic or anything doesn't work there hence stones r useless inside TVA like how Loki couldn't use his magical powers...
Okay guys finished "What if?" and it ended sooooo much better than I think we could expect!! I hope you enjoy the reaction as always, if you want to come join me tonight and vibe/chill ill be live on twitch at 7:30pm GMT (www.twitch.tv/ricopresents), also if you want to catch up to where we are currently check out the Patreon all links are in the bio!!!
don't know if Patreon users told you back then, but these What If...? episodes screwed a major Marvel Multiverse rule just to give multiversal-wide battles
Infinity Stones do ABSOLUTELY NOT work anywhere outside of their own universe at all, but the writers decided to ignore that rule just because they wanted OP Ultron to use them everywhere
@Ricoreacts have you seen The Incredible Hulk movie from 2008?
i got the answer to the question about the stones from a few comicbook content creators. In the comics the stones only work in their given universe. The MCU is doing it different. The stones in the MCU do work in other universes but they dont work in some pocket dimension type areas. The stones did not work in Loki at the end of time or at the TVA because they were in some type of pocket dimension that exist outside the multiverse. Dimensions/Universes are different things in the comics and MCU. I think the TVA's location will be revealed during the next antman and it will shine more light on this conversation.
Rico idk how far ahead you are but another reminder you will need to have watched the Raimi Spiderman Trilogy and the Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 before The marvel Spiderman No Way Home, because of multiverse shenanigans brings the villians from those movies into that one. TRUST ME... its pivotal that you and Monica see those 5 movies. It's like needing to see all the MCU Movies to understand endgame
To answer the stones question, TVA is not part of any universe, so the stones have no power there.
That one universe watcher leaves widow is the one loki took over in episode 3, where hank pym killed most of the avengers including widow
Wow it took me this long to get that lol that makes SO much sense cause the finale has elements of all the other previous episodes, even zombie Wanda, and always bothered me that episode 3 didn't have anything into the finale....until you blew my mind 🤣
In that universe every Avenger has died so how are they alive fighting on Shield but only Natasha is dead???
@@Alvaro-rq8sn Captain America and Captain Marvel is alive..
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Let me guess, You didn't watch episode 3, did you?😅
Awesome to see Monica go from "eww, cartoons" to "i LOVED it". The animation was 100% necessary to give them complete flexibility in all stories, without having to de-age actors, bring actors in from previous movies who are busy with other projects, and the other hundreds of factors that limit a "live action" production. With the animation, they could use ANY character, in ANY setting, in ANY story, in ANY way! Amazing to see how far the MCU has come and is still going! All the best on your continuing journey!
No question, this was Supreme Strange’s story. He saved everyone and was the star of the finale for sure.
I like how at the first episode you can tell by her reaction that she detests the series being in cartoon form but as she heard the what if stormiest and she knew our timelines version she fell in love with this series
Every time a stone was taken out of the timeline in Endgame, technically those were stones from other timeline realities. So if you think about it long enough, we’ve already seen the stones being used outside of their original universe. The reason the stones don’t work in the TVA is because nothing magical or technological (that isn’t controlled by Kang) would work in that pocket reality. I imagine the “why” that’s the case may be something explored in a future Loki season, but mostly it’s probably because Kang has the ability to control unpredictable variables like infinity stones and has warded off the tva from its use (similar to how Wanda can use runes to prevent someone else from using their magic in a space)
The MVP of episode 9 was Supreme Strange. Guardians of The Multiverse tag-teaming Ultron was great.
I'd say the TVA is a "NO MAGIC!" zone and the stones ARE magic.
though this is a valid opinion, in general all the universes have their own set of infinity stones. and it is shown and explained many times that the stones can only work in the universe they were created in. So yeah, I was also confused about ultron being able to use the stones in all the universes.. I think it just plays on the idea that "anything can happen" rather than what we already know from the MCU..
I mean, yes, probably? TVA is a neutral zone, not only magic, no superpowers work there at all.
@@WaddIes I don't remember any MCU movie, series or even tie-in comics where it's said that the stone only work in the universe they were created in. On the contrary, we've seen the stones from 4 different realities being used in the main reality in Endgame.
@@louisfrancisco2171 they were from different timelines but still the same universe so it still makes sense. in the comics it was well known that the stones/gems can only work in their respective universe they originate from. theres been stories of people trying to take over multiple universes with the stones but failed when their stones didnt work. the MCU hasn't said or shown if this is the case. We can assume it is for now since WHAT IF series is sort of its own thing (based on a its own comic series)
@@louisfrancisco2171 I looked up a little bit more information and apparently when they were in the TVA it was supposed to confirm that the stones DO NOT work in other universes when the stones didnt work in the TVA.. saying that the TVA was outside of the universe... basically people think the TVA is between universes..
the reason the stones dont work in the TVA (from loki) is because in that one specific place (the TVA) no magic works, including the stones. they do work everywhere else
It's so funny how I always long for Monica's approval lol. If she is not impressed, I feel like we failed lol. She is hard to please, but I am always happy when she say's she "loved it". I can now sleep tonight :). Kudos Rico!
I don’t long for her approval just thought she was too primitive to enjoy anything but live action, great turns out she can, more enjoyable reaction that way but could care less ab her approval
Fun fact: Uatu the Watcher had NEVER actively fought against anyone before since his first appearence in 1963
Edit: so, apparently this is actually the second time, since a What If...? comic from 1992 I didn't know about features it
Unless you count Uatu ejecting Wolverine from his abode in X-Men #137.
@@louisfrancisco2171 that's not a fight...
@@leonardolonghi3472 Right. I knew there was at least one time, and I found it:
The Watcher from Earth-929 fought Galactus in What If #41.
@@louisfrancisco2171 wow, didn't know about that one
Captain Marvel vs Thor was excellent.
I love when we get to the end because that’s when Monica is the most invested and when she’s into it, she brings a great practical perspective I wish more reactors and people in general had.
Apparently, there is an episode that never aired involving Gamora. I would love to see if that episode ever gets released, even if in unfinished form. I cannot wait for What If...? Season 2, which was already announced. I do wonder, though, if that sphere holding Ultron vs Killmonger will eventually break somehow. I think these What If...? episodes also goes to show what could've been possible or could've happened in the MCU. For example, Vision could have theoretically defeated Thanos.
I had heard that they were planning on showing it in S2, but I only heard it one time so it may have been rumor.
they postponed it to S2 because CoVid screwed it
They’re gonna show it season 2 and also finish all the other storylines
I just realized she was the only one in the group who didnt have their own episode
If will be released in Season2
i love that monica went from meh to yeah
The reason that the infinite stones isn't important to the time keepers is as simple as, they don't need it... no matter how powerful the infinite stones are these are no use to them. On the other hand, to other people or I should say to villains... they can literally rule the entire universe with them.
If you Rico you go to another universe, you can meet the Rico in that universe(of course if you exist in that particular universe). Then it works the same way as the infinity stone... you take one stone and go to another. You can have 2 of the same stones. Again simple and logical.
My own interpretation is, the stones in that drawer in the TVA are from timelines that have been pruned, so their universes no longer exist, leaving the stones with no power.
in general all the universes have their own set of infinity stones. and it is shown and explained many times that the stones can only work in the universe they were created in. So yeah, I was also confused about ultron being able to use the stones in all the universes.. I think it just plays on the idea that "anything can happen" rather than what we already know from the MCU..
in the comics, not in the MCU.
@@LeoBladini they didnt work in loki
@@WaddIes that's because the TVA operates outside of the multiverse, and even magic doesn't work there
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
Monica's double take at Thor's "birth of two stars at the edge of a galaxy" line to Jane about her eyes.
So excited for Season 2 of What If?, I can't wait for more crazy, alternative "what-if" scenarios, with both our beloved established MCU veterans and the new characters introduced throughout Phase 4
you see now, why it needed to be animated. this series is probably 5 phases of mcu live action
So in the comics, as far as I know, the stones can only be used in the universe they came from. So they don’t work in other universes
In the MCU it’s slightly different, according to What If, they can be used in other universes. The TVA is an exception because the TVA is it’s own little pocket dimension where space and time don’t matter, therefore the stones don’t work there
and that's what we get when What If...?'s writers don't do their homework...
@@leonardolonghi3472 Oh please.
@@parsman9914 what, too much truth hurts?
Data the creators of the series confirmed that ultron did not use the gems in other universes, he used them only in his armor to enhance them and as his armor if it was from his universe if he could use them to empower himself but if he wanted to do something like eliminate the entire population through He couldn't click, that's why he went to each universe with his robots and he didn't disappear them with clicks since he empowers himself and in the only universe where he used his gems was in his
another thing that they did not confirm and it is a theory of mine is why the supreme strange gem worked and it is that his gem worked because he modified it at the end of his chapter and that is why he destroyed his universe, so now it is usable in all the universes
@@nadie7529 let's start with the fact that I never heard of such statement before, but that may also be a miss of mine
With that said, it doesn't matter what the creators may state just to try and correct themselves, what is ON-SCREEN is what matters first, and the screen clearly show the Gems get activated in very specific moments while out of their universe
The Gems being used doesn't mean they simply "Snap" people away... They can do anything the user can think.
FGS, Ultron becomes even bigger than Galactus and chomps a whole galaxy!!
That's the same of what happened with *Superman&Lois*
SPOILER if you didn't watch the show
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The titular characters clearly adress the Crisis during the series, making it clear they are the Earth-Prime characters (no variant in the whole Multiverse knows about the Crisis, as they are the only ones that got their memory restored by J'onn, even among the very few Supermen that were part of it), along with many other clear scenes
Despite that, after season 2, the writers "stated" that this is a different universe where Superman is the only hero
It doesn't matter if they say that after two whole seasons of the show, if THE SHOW ITSELF clearly contradicts their words. The show is what actually matters first as the canon
If the really want to make it a whole different thing, deliver an actual good explanation, instead of saying "it is like this", and this case has no chance of it being true in any possible scenario. It is just bad writing.
17:50 I CAN'T BELIEVE HE CHUN LAO THANOS LIKE THAT WITH EASE😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
Imagine if this was a live action.
It will be the #1 box office movie of all time.
37:40 This is the real Ultron! 🙏🏽
Rico idk how far ahead you are but another reminder you will need to have watched the Raimi Spiderman Trilogy and the Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 before The marvel Spiderman No Way Home, because of multiverse shenanigans brings the villians from those movies into that one. TRUST ME... its pivotal that you and Monica see those 5 movies. It's like needing to see all the MCU Movies to understand endgame
Natasha was sent to the universe where Hank Pym Killed the Avengers.
Woooo yeah baby thats what ive been waiting for!
There is a comic in which gamora is tormented by thanos spirit and makes her gather the infinity stones to complete his deed. Loki whose also trying to gather the stones, travels through the multiverse and confirms that unlike in what if, the stones only work on their own universes. In some point Loki arrives to a common space between universes, sort of a limbo island where no stone works. Guess the MCUs taking its own aproach on this, but until now it has not been explicitly stated why the stones work or not. I believe the comic is called infinity wars #num, if anyone wants to check it out.
we also have Reed Richards and Darkseid confirm that, from "Fantastic Four #605" more or less and "JLA/Avengers"
@@leonardolonghi3472 Darkseid is from another multiverse. You can't deduce anything in the Marvel multiverse from what happens in the DC multiverse.
@@louisfrancisco2171 throwing away uncomfortable examples, are we? 😅
@@leonardolonghi3472 No. Throwing away irrelevant examples.
@@louisfrancisco2171 Thanks for confirming
You don't like them, so you mark them as non-relevant despite existing
Always a pleasure to bust people like you out😎
Being an avid comic book nerd from the 70s I knew the concept of the episodes and know they are not canon but I was not expecting this series to be this phenomenal. The MCU flavor gave it an interesting interesting twist and the finale was A plus.
The Watcher vs Ultron Vision was badass.
I think the best explanation for the stones is the TVA existed outside of all time so was not connected to any universe those stones were created in.
Also, those stones were collected from time lines that were ultimately erased which would in theory give them no power.
It was amazing, thank you!❤
Great reaction!! This season was awesome. As a WAY younger man every 30 days I was sure to get that month's What If comic. It was an awesome way to do an anthogy.
That said, like you two, I was so excited to see the characters brought together for a common purpose to tie it all together..
The reason Dr Strange's Time Stone was able to operate simultaneously with Ultron's was TIME in each of their respective universes was juuuust unique enough to function independently, each having its own time continuum.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
I CAN'T WAIT FOR SEASON 2🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
In the comics, the Infinity Stones have no power outside of their own universe. So to be able to use all of the stones at the same time, they all have to be from the same universe that you're currently in.
The TVA is outside of time. They're kind of between universes. The stones have no power there.
The TVA exists outside of time and space. It was specifically built there to negate any kind of special abilities, which is why Loki and Sylvie can't use their magic and why the stones are useless rocks. Loki: "Is this the greatest power in the universe?"
With Ultron and the Stones, the whole, stones only work in their universes thing, was only established in Loki. It's a relatively new rule in the respect of the shows (I don't know the comic implications at all, someone feel free to chime in). From what I know, he showrunners for Loki and What If...? were in development at the same time so the rule wasn't passed along in a timely manner. I think I remember the What If person basically saying "Whoops" after Loki aired.
That being said. Why isn't it plausible for there to be a series of universes that has "transferable" stones. But yeah, its a bit of a snafu.
it isn't plausible because Gamora's machine would have otherwise worked
anyways, comics stated multiple times that Infinity Stones are just shiny rocks when outside their own universe. gonna share two big ones:
We see 3 Reed Richards holding their version of an Infinity Gauntlet during a "Council of Reeds" (don't know the location, but not in any of their universes) and one of them tells Reed-616 that Stones are useless outside their native universe
in the JLA/Avengers crossover, Darkseid analyzes the Stones he got from Thanos, but since they're useless in the DC Universe, he decides he doesn't need them
Also the TVA is located outside of both space and time, so there would be no reason for the stones to work there
I thought it was "Magic" that didn't work in TVA and the stones were considered magic.
@@harlequingnoll5 TVA is anti-magic, BUT the Stones do not work outside of their universe as their own rule... unless the writer is the one that wrote these non-sense episodes
It was never established in Loki that the stones don't work outside their universe. It was only established that they don't work at the TVA. Endgame established that the stones do work outside their native realities.
funny you would say the leaning tower of Pisa is "supposed to" be leaning...
17:50 Now this, puts a smile on my face 😌
*What If...?* S1 Episodes Ranked
1. 1x08: "Ultron Won?"
2. 1x04: "Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands?"
3. 1x09: "The Watcher Broke His Oath?"
4. 1x05: "Zombies!?"
5. 1x02: "T'Challa Became a Star-Lord?"
6. 1x03: "The World Lost Its Mightiest Heroes?"
7. 1x01: "Captain Carter Were the First Avenger?"
8. 1x06: "Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?"
9. 1x07: "Thor Were an Only Child?"
The TVA exists out of the physical dimension so the stones dont work there but they can work in any universe regardless from which universe they are from.
when it comes to the TVA, everything is uncharted territory. we still don't really understand where the TVA is, how it blocks magic, etc
Ooooo been waiting for this!
15:35 This is where the fun begins! The episode I was waiting for! 🙏🏽💪
The stones lost power specifically in the TVA not just outside of its universe
Also that might have had to do with the TVAs one timeline thing which is no longer the case
Yes but in the comics, they're powerless outside their native universe
@@jager3090 That's the beautiful thing about the MCU or the MCM now, they don't follow the comics.
that's because they ignored the rules in this show...
@@leonardolonghi3472 ... means a pause before you finish the sentence. You didn't follow the rules either, and yet... no one cares.
I don't know if this series ends at episode 9 but I do know you guys are going to enjoy the last episode
1) the TVA exist outside of any known universe. That's why the infinity stones did not work there. 2) they brought black widow back to the world (episode) where Hank Pym killed her and the rest of the avengers. Remember that episode ended with Loki taking over and Fury finding cap with Capt Marvel
Regarding with your question about the stones working in other universes and in TVA it doesn't work. I think it's because in Loki series, the TVA is also likr a pocket universe or dimension that the (Kang/he who remains) created, so that all types powers are restricted only in that place, remember the 2 lokis got their powers back when they are outside of TVA. And that is why I think stones in What if can be used in different universes here.
In the TVA the stones didn’t work but in the multiverse they worked so in the tva they were just paper weights
I think it's because the stones had power in the universe but the TVA is out of the timeline of that universe and that's why the stones doesn't had power on it
To be fair captain marvel is basically a walking infinity stone
My theory why the stones don't work in the TVA is that, the TVA is in the Quantum Realm. The Stones are just to small to be powerfull anymore.
I base this idea on the fact that Kang will be in Antman ant the Wasp Quantumania.
Finally you guys can now react to Shang Chi and Eternals.Most people hate it buh I loved them☺️
I think you guys should also add Trailer reactions 😉
I mean, is Thor using the hammer really cheating if he can be stronger without it? Like in Ragnarok?
Also, the TVA was able to nullify the power of the Stones, as well as other types of energy, like Magic. Ultron was simply not in the TVA, and that’s why they still worked.
Fun Fact: In the comics, the Stones don’t work outside of their native universe. Each universe has their own unique set.
I like the way the comics do it, because that means that in the MCU, you could actually have infinite sets of stones. Which sounds absolutely insane.
The answer from the comics would be the TVA is not in the universe but in a pocket reality at the end of time. Nothing from any universe in the multiverse would have any power there. The MCU TVA is the same but different. It is not suppose to be in any universe but they have not explained that but probably will as the Multiverse Saga gets closer.
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To answer your question how the stone works in the multiverse but not In TVA. The Multiverse is not the TVA
I think it’s because TVA is outside space and time, so the stones won’t work there
hha i was waiting for this
Don't forget to watch the Sony Spider-Man movies (including Venom 1 and 2) before watching Spider-Man: No Way Home
I believe the tva is in the quantum realm. I think that's why the stones don't work there.
Oooo, nice! Can't wait for Hawkeye!!
Rico and Monica!!!!!!!! Long time
.. I suggest .react the series of Moon night..it's really epic and deep story
Putting Mjolnir down on Captain Marvel shouldn't have worked. Why? Odin hasn't put the "worthy" enchantment in this timeline. There's absolutely 0 way that Mjolnir would consider Thor worthy to wield it during this timeline, but remember it didn't need to before Odin put that enchantment on it. Plot hole.
The stones do work anywhere in the multiverse but they don't work in tva because it's beyond the multiverse(beyond space-time),so the stones become inert and also in loki the timelines from which the stones were bought from are pruned so the stones are deactivated,finally watcher's realm is in b/w universes not beyond so the stones work there without any problem.
After Howkey or Spider-Man no way ?
Guys! Please! No way home nexttt!!
Are u guys going to react to Shang-Chi n Eternals
A lot of reactors didn't give this series a chance. They skipped it.
You know interesting fact: Watcher can beat infinity ultron easly. But because of his oath.
lets goooooooooooooo
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Please react to Spiderman 1, 2 and 3 of Tobey Maguire version and also react to The Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 of Andrew Garfield version and also react to Venom and Venom let there be carnage. Please react to all these before watching Spiderman no way home.
Someone told me that they only watched Tobey Maguire & Andrew Garfield.
@@joshuacampbell7493 Then why aren't they uploading on RUclips though 😔
@@mirrorrayed4130 there on Patreon already not everything can go on RUclips cause of copyright but I’m sure they’ll upload them at some point
@@mirrorrayed4130 becouse they are going in order of the way they watched the mcu
Just be patient and it will come to youtube
@@Narutoanime16g Do you have access to their patreon page? Are you sure, they have it on their patreon.
We want daredevil
Please react to ' everything wrong with harry potter' from cinemasins...
Do you think you guys will ever go back to reacting to Marvel?
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I share the feeling of having thought that Nat returned, L
Please do a reaction on no way home and love and thunder
Cool
What's next on the list? It better be Spider-Man No Way Home.
Yessssss
Yesss!!!!
Hawkeye is left
And also Shang chi and Eternals are left to watch
Better be? Don’t act entitled. They’ll get to it when they get to it.
Bro can you react to Malaysian series EJEN ALI please
Instead of uploading hawkeye please upload shang chi
Hii guys please do reaction on moon knight season 1
People have such a bias against animation.
Sadly
Hey
Please watch sang chi fast
It is Canon that the stones only work within their own universe the last episode is a big plothole
What If...? last 2 eps (+ last scene in 7th) or just writers being idiots as hell
No u r wrong.... Stones r different on different universes... But they work in any universe.... TVA is a institution/organization built a way that any kind of magic or anything doesn't work there hence stones r useless inside TVA like how Loki couldn't use his magical powers...
No it's not. Then how come Avengers were able to use infinity stones from other universes to fix og universe?
No one said, stones only work within their own universe actually, at Loki show TWA isnt other universe
@@ujwalghimire3743 the TVA exists outside of the universes
Prepare yourselfs, after this phase 4 went downhill. There is some good projects, but most of them are bad or boring
Thor kicked captain Karen s ass.
17:48 Now this, puts a smile on my face 😌