COBB Tuning 'Stage 3' Mustang Ecoboost - One Take
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- After taking the Cobb 'Stage 3' Ecoboost Mustang on the track, we thought it would be a good idea to find an empty canyon road and see how it does in the real world. COBB's Ian Armstrong rides along to give some insight on how they tune the Ecoboost Mustang.
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FULL DISCLOSURE: COBB Tuning Paid for my Flight and Hotel, and provided the race track and vehicles used in these videos.
Considering the almost 20k price difference between the Ecoboost Mustang and the Mustang GT I would say the Ecoboost is a pretty decent choice.
For less than 20k you can have as much power as the GT but have less weight....not a bad end result in my opinion.
The access port is amazing. It totally transformed my turbo mustang. Five different power maps that you can scroll through while driving down the street. You can have one for 93 octane another for race gas another for ethanol and economy mode etc. Flatfoot shifting for manual transmissions, launch control, burnout mode, Datalogging capabilities, real-time gauge monitoring. It really is the best all-around tuning device out there.
Tell me more! How fast is max power setting? I'm trying to get Ecoboost Manila
+1compaqedr8 Depends on the fuel and mods. On 93 octane 12s is very doable. On a race blend like E30, E85 or Meth there are close to a dozen Ecoboosts in the 11s on the stock turbo.
For anyone in the ATX area, this is Lime Creek Rd in Leander.
+pandaslayer Yup! have a friend that lives out there. Awesome road!
love this road! that was a great choice.
+pandaslayer saw this and was wondering what road they were on. Thanks for the info, not far from me at all
shhhh! cmon! :)
+pandaslayer Thought I recognized it, if you make a left at the stop sign it completes one big loop back at Anderson Mill Rd.
EcoBoost tech Is just astounding. Good job Ford!
I can't wait for someone to fully build a stage 5 ecoboost. Stage 5 internals, big turbo, bolt ons, ECU, suspension, full weight reduction, carbon fiber hood, ect.. I'd love to see the full potential of the turbo Four Mustang and the Camaro also.
Great video again! You guys both hit on all the great points of the ecoboost mustang. Awesome low-end and mid-range power for fun daily driving, while still getting better fuel economy than the GT, paying less for insurance and saving ~6k on msrp. Like you said Matt, a great "starter" Mustang. The only drawback for me is the sound. The turbo sounds are cool but the V8 will always sound better in my opinion. Regardless, I still love mine.
hiiiiii!!!! love your videos as well!
+subaruwrxfan Maybe you can do another crowd funding and get a GT
+bobbyhill601 fukin lost my shit when i read that brah, lol.
+bobbyhill601 actually considering he got a premium (and I do not know if that is the navigation package he got or not) but he had enough for a PP GT non premium.
you've driven both be tuned EcoBoost and procharged v6. which would you prefer?
I had a rental ecoboost mustang for a week in southern california. I took it on some canyon and mountain roads and I'm really impressed. It felt so much lighter and well made compared to the 09 GT I've driven before. I'm sure with these mods its a blast to drive.
I did same thing. Took Ecoboost to Ortega hwy. mulholland hwy and drive Piuma rd. suspension handled the bumpy mountain roads at 8/10 driving very well.
Sweet tune! This vid alone is making me reconsider my S197 V8 for the ecoboost. Sure it's not a V8, but lots of potential for little cost and lower insurance and what not. Great vid!
I bought a 2016 one of these for a little under 25 grand with only 19 inch wheels options. it's a great value for money compared to my BMW F30. love how it drives and looks. just bought my cobb access port too over the Thanksgiving weekend and can't wait to run it. this video has me very excited.
Cobb makes it too easy to turn a good car into a great car.
+MrSapper21 $2000 only...i'm sold too
+MrSapper21 No such thing as "too easy." I want it easy to turn a good car into a great car.
+Deejay Core Have that $2000? Then get a v8.
***** The price difference between the EcoBoost and GT is more than $2000.
Roger J
Out the door at a dealership?
slob on my knob like corn on the cobb
Check in with me, then do you job.
Lime Creek is a hell of a road. I'm glad you got to experience it. I live about 10 minutes from there, so I take my Focus ST on it several times a year. You should take the long drive out to the 3 sisters in the hill country. Those roads are as good as any. Out there you can drive on twisty canyon roads for 2-3 hours straight, with only minor breaks.
Really awesome video.
That Ecoboost w/ the Cobb updates gives me a bit of a 1/2 a GT350 motor vibe.
I will always be happy to see a Mustang video!
Glad to see you got to ride Lime Creek Road! It's tons of fun and the drivers out there are usually very courteous.
Lime Creek road! Nice choice! I love cruising this road.
Lovely road, for sure! Both on two and four wheels.
Ian's a cool guy. Glad to see him make it onto a TST video. His Fiesta is rad.
Great video! Is the Cobb stage 3 safe to run on the EcoBoost long term?
Nice didnt think I'd ever see ya come to Texas. I'm up in the Dallas area. Austin does have the better scenic roads than up here.
next: ecoboost v8 and your mind=blown
coming gt500 is rumored to have a eco boost v8
+sasoun gaspar i doubt that they would do that. Fords best car is the GT and it has the 3.5 twin turbo. I think they will probably drop the same engine in the gt500.
Confirmed. 2018 GT500 is a 5.0 twin turbo Ecoboost
That's not been confirmed by any reputable sources.
hell the ecoboost v6 twin turbo would be fkn beast in these things
I'm glad this new motor is bringing in buyers that probably would have not considered it but I really don't get the appeal over the 3.7 v6. mine was making 290 + to the wheel with just basic bolt ons and tune and now is well over 400 with a ProCharger. That's all on 8 pounds of boost and there's still room to go. I don't think you'll be getting those kind of numbers out of bed four cylinder without a turbo upgrade so it would probably end up costing just as much. Also not to brag but I still get 32mpg at 80 miles per hour on the highway.
+Joshua C because the ecoboost is forged from factory, turbo will make more tq than your procharger, priced the same but money spent equally on both the ecoboost will be quicker and a more well balanced car... there are plenty of good reasons
There is a turbocharged 3.7 in Houston putting down 550whp. It's an s197 mustang and not the new s550 though. I didn't see why Ford cut the v6 mustang since they still make v6 trucks. It used the same motor as the basic v6 in the f150. Seems like a waste to not offer that in the more budget market.
This is so cool! I drive this road anytime I'm bored after school.
I am seriously willing to donate money if it means you getting a proper microphone. Who's with me?
336 whp/ 378 wtq from cobbs website. They have dyno graphs of all 3 stages on there.
This video made me make the decision to buy the focus st. The only car where I can get an accessport to be able to pull tons of data and learn about the car (I.e. Spark timing correction). Thanks Matt and Cobb!!
George Jin wrong
How much hp is the stage 3?
SVO version 2.0 30yrs later
Wish they actually named it that with slight different styling than a gt. Certainly better sounding then Ecoboost
It’s all about the marketing; Ford was pushing the ecoboost technology across its production line as a more fuel efficient way to get good power. I have to agree with you though; SVO II would have been a better name for I4 Mustang.
I was thinking a few weeks ago why the hell I have never seen a launch control system that's always active and you just need to floor it in 1st gear while standing. Why it needs to be so weirdly complicated? But these guys did it! The first logical way of integrating a launch control system. Thumbs up for Cobb!
For the record, the Corvette ZR1 launch control was active all the time
Sweet! Never knew that. Thanks for the reply!
Really nice launch start system. That Mustang is a great deal.
Just a heads up alot of stage 3 cobb tuned ecoboosts are getting blown motors. If you're lucky and have a cool dealership like one near me who just covered 2 cobb 3 tuned blown engines. They just require you to bring it back to factory stock to pass fords initial inspection. Disclaimer! Note that this isn't the case everywhere and dealerships will tell you anything for a sale and services, so you have to go by their word, which usually isn't worth much so you better know them before relying on their word.
Good to know. Is there a reason why they're blowing up? I have an ecoboost and was considering cobb.
it has to do with the exhaust port shared by cylinders 2&3. It's restrictive and under high boost it can cause exhaust reversion where the pressure builds up too much forcing the exhaust gasses back into the combustion chamber causing detonation. The weakest link fails, sometimes a rod. Best case scenario it just lifts the head off the block and you'll need a new head gasket & head bolts, preferably studs. Sadly the exhaust manifold is integrated into the head of the 2.3L so a simple aftermarket header is not an option. The next best thing if you don't want to take the head off to port & polish the 2&3 exhaust port is to got with a turbo upgrade with a custom exhaust flange that is more open, The stock one & the turbo both share the same shape & size of the exhaust port for 2&3 further increasing the restriction. That won't make exhaust inversion impossible, at least it hasn't been thoroughly tested to prove it can prevent it. These cars also let some exhaust gases back in through the exhaust valve eliminating the use of an egr valve, that may also be the introductory point for the exhaust reversion.
Car sounds dumb good lol. Also looks incredible with that massive 305 stance on the rears 😍
Hell yeah
How did they get 305 back there
I can tell Ian is cool because he's wearing a JDM Legends t shirt! Nice car, btw.
+WikdSeafood Trey Cobb, founder of Cobb Tuning, also started JDM Legends!
TheSmokingTire Excellent!
Man, if your going to be in Texas. You also got to pay a visit to Hennessey.
Makes me wonder long it will be before Ford drops the Gen 2, 3.5 ecoboost in the mustang.
+Thomas Griffin I'm not sure Ford would put a V6 in the Mustang that would make it faster than the GT.
With the EPA bearing down on manufacturers to reduce their fleet emissions, it's not out of the question.
there are actually rumors that ford is testing a v6 ecoboost
+amouralizee twin turbo ecoboost v6 is in lots of cars... Taurus SHO, F150, even the Flex
+Thomas Griffin News flash nobody going to buy a twin turbo V6 mustang Ford would be batshit crazy to Dump the 5.0 for a V6
I bought my Ecoboost this year 2021 and I must say it’s a quick car plus from the gas I save without having Gt I was able to get it in high 12s very satisfied got a Roush air intake and cat exhaust also I put a Cobb Accessport V3
Austin has some wonderful roads.
Not on I-35, 183, and MoPac. Traffic is always horrible between 3-7pm Monday thru Friday.
If you're not using COBB. You're not doing it right. Also, the 10spd auto, rocks. Even at the track. The better you drive , the better it gives.
i do miss the 3.7 V6 though. Sounds a lot better than the 4banger and with the procharger competes with all kinds of cars.
Matt, be honest, you just want to get that ecoboost fix before you get your hands on that RS... I can relate, I'm the first order at my SoCal dealer as well, Stealth Gray RS2. And the excite is strong.
Keep up the great work with the videos!
Matt/Ian, what road is this? I may be relocating to Austin next year and would love to hit up these roads in my NSX.
+Zygrene Nevermind, saw that it's Lime Creek Rd. :)
There's a restaurant right by that road called the oasis, it hosts the Cars and coffee every 2nd sunday of the month. in case you didn't know. great turnout of cars every time
justin beamon Excellent, thanks
No problem!
im about 90 minutes north of austin. seems to me all the really fun roads are south of Austin.
i think in a year i am going to move down there. somewhere between san marcos and austin. seems in that area you are right in the middle of all the fun.
fun backroads. nice road course. tons of off road places. circut of America. not to far from 6th street and of course alamo drafthouse.
gotta love lime creek road, right in my back yard.
I got to drive and almost own😢 for 2 weeks a 1986 mustang svo years ago...man what a car!! It could handle and had way more than stock power (boost peaked at 19-20psi) was a blast to drive and was able to beat a Fox v8 coupe with a cam and other stuff and at a roll from a light I hit full boost at 2000rpm and he got on it too and I pulled away hard and at the next light he was like “damn that’s a fast svo what did you do to it”😈👍
Sure is nice! I still think I want to build an older car but this is great!
This looks like Lime Creek - Great road!
Love this road! Enjoy those decreasing radius turns on my motorcycle.
Did you see that Motorcycle at 8:55 what was it?
Chase Pollard That was a Ducati Multistrada
Thank you
Questions for the poster.
Seems the lunch was done with the traction control on?
Was the suspension feeling bouncy at all on what looks to be a PP car with Cobb springs?
You said it felt floaty still in the track video. Would shocks make a difference as a need for a daily?
Love these videos. You have my dream job.
I'm loving my EB 2015 the premium interior is freakin great and the PP on CO looks and handles very nicely. I just need money for some mods lol
Damn fun. Spot on review. Love my COBB Accessport.
Soon there will be mods for the 2019 Ford Ranger.
Yes cant wait. They are coming out now! I just bought a '19 Ranger XLT FX4 crew cab. It's a blast. Awesome truck. Gonna work it!
Matt, I love the show! Does the 4 cylinder in your opinion offer any advantage in handling or cornering with a lighter 4 up front? Does it feel more nimble ?
Oh shit nice! Didn't think you'd be here in Austin man. Welcome!
it is my understanding that direct injection engines in general are best at the mid-range of the rpm, and are not good at the top end due to the high pressure fuel pumps not being able to provide enough fuel at the top end. It is hard to make a direct injection engine perform well (with respect to the mid range) over 5500 rpm...
Other RWD turbo 4 cylinders for sale:
Alfa Romeo 4C
BMW 228i
BMW 320i, 328i, 330i
BMW 428i, 430i
Cadillac ATS 2.0T
That sux there aren't any good options. Waiting for a jdm or korean option.....waiting, waiting.
Mustang 2.3L EcoBoost is an outstanding sports car. Go Ford!
Having driven both the gt and the eco boost.
I would say the eco boost reminds me of a 240sx great balance
The gt I would drive every day why the 5.0 it’s just addicting to listen too and run up through the gears
"No other turbo 4 that's RWD that you can buy right now"
hmmmm, BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, and Cadillac all currently make RWD turbo 4s haha
Great video though, cool seeing you on Texas roads Matt!
Lol right!
They cost ~10-20k more.
+Leonidae Than a Cobb tuned mustang? I doubt that much more
"for the price range"
Fiat 124
EcoBoost engines are amazing. This little 4 cyl is putting out more power than a HEMI V8. Wayyy more torque too.
hemi v8s make 425HP/420tq at the crank, with the hemi 392 making 525hp/510tq. with an ecu flash they'll both easily make more power than this 4 cylinder
hildenbrandt21 What HEMI is making 425? The old 6.1L would but the 5.7L without using longer runners like the RAM only makes like 380.
+Matthew Neuforth it's a chrysler engine, what are you expecting?
Nice job Ian!
These two guys seem really cool. Subscribed :)
They're in the Cedar Park/Leander area.
Question: Is it worth investing in this car? What's the resale value in 6 years?
+xxFallenKnight Mods don't add value so no. No new car in this price range is an investment.
No new car less than $100k except maybe a Shelby 350 or Hellcat would make a good investment
+xxFallenKnight Get a GT....
+Mike Adkins agreed
+xxFallenKnight Unless it's a Ferrari, a Bugatti or a Manual Porsche, a car is not an investment..
I have an EBM and I only got it because I could not find a good rate on insurance for a GT.. The prices I was quoted was more than the car note so F that.. otherwise I would get a GT in a heart beat. I also thought the GT would swallow too much gas but with the way I drive this EB I'm getting about 13mpg in the city which is almost half of what I expected. On the highway tho it gets 36mpg easy all day cruising at 80mph.. unfortunately I barely drive on the highway as I live in a big city.
Stage 3 ecoboost is fast AF. Might me getting one of these or a 370z for my daily. Already have a 330whp Supercharged RSX Type S as my race car. But if i had the money i would definitely get the GT350
A turbo v6 would be engine that would get me to consider a mustang.lol Love what they have done with the 4 cylinder ecoboost though. seems like a god car and value
+chris pinks Why not just the GT? V6 turbo's don't usually sound all that great as the GTR, and ATS-V serve to prove. A TwinTurbo V6 would likely cost as much to produce as the V8 does, and not offer much if any benefit over the V8 (aside from gas mileage possibly), so I just don't see it happening on the Mustang.
GTR sounds great to me with aftermarket exhaust. Guess it's personal taste
+Adam S (Dolby109) who cares what it sounds like. Ford already produces a ttv6. a ttv6 would kill the v8 gt
Audio on these videos is always really quiet.
this is about where mine is, just different manufacturers for my bolt ons and slightly more aggressive tune. fun car! mine has a loud synapse dv venting to atmosphere so it's kind of obnoxious/F&F ha
Matt if you are ever over by San Antonio youve got to hit up the twisted sisters! !!. its lime creek × 100!!!!
Focus St or Ecoboost mustang?
Lets cuddle Babe mustang fs ive never liked a mustang til now
this road is amazing
Not all EcoBoost Mustangs put sound into the speakers. You have to have a premium, the base does not do the imposed sound. Reason being is the difference in stereo.
My Ecoboost Mustang is not a premium, so no piped in sound.
come to Dallas next time you're in texas tons of cool and crazy cars
+Simon2x Or San Antonio just saw a white LaFerrari the other day.
+Scooby wrx that guy owns an all white collection, ive seen him in a veyron downtown too
My dilemma is that I don't know whether to get a Premium Ecoboost or a GT, First off Im 18 so the insurance will vary, as of now it is 250, which isn't a problem for me to pay now, but both cars are nearly the same amount for the options I want on both
Giovanni Alvarenga No way your paying 250 for full coverage. The ecoboost is your best bet
Some idiots said that Ford was "risking controversy" by ditching the V6 for the 2.3L Ecoboost 4 cylinder. The writers of this video are car gals and guys. Ditching the unloved and with no aftermarket support 300 HP/270 TQ V6 for the 310 HP/320 TQ turbo 4 cylinder Ecoboost . Wasn't controversial at all. It was a no brainer that both the bean counters and the car guys at Ford could agree on. Now ALL Mustangs are NOW in fact "performance cars" whatever the trim level or engine option. Being that the Ecoboot has an MSRP of $26,400 within the budget of young carbuyer/enthusiasts and can be easily tuned up to 500 HP with a change of the turbocharger.
Good take!
Funny to think the new 240/silva would be made by ford
+lrnlrn Given the weight of the Ecoboost I'm more think the FRS/BRZ is more of a spiritual successor to the S-chassis, esp in America where e never got a turbo.
It would still be great if Nissan made an S16...but they have been too cautious as of late.
+Adam S (Dolby109) I see what your saying but the gt86 is the trueno's successor. The Matt said this is the only rwd 4 cylinder turbo you can buy new now.
+Adam S (Dolby109) incorrect.... 240 was a true 2+2 car. with all the safety things it would need I would bet the weight would increase. including all the new tech and dash components. the weight is only a difference of 500 pounds I believe? 2800 for curb weight of 240?
+lrnlrn G86 is that cars successor in name only. Anyone who has driven the car and the 240sx knows they are far more similar. Size is even similar.
Nobody makes a AE86 successor. Closest thing in weight is the Miata maybe.
This Mustang is more like a Supra. Almost the same power to weight and size of vehicle.
+Kanaric what's that mustang weigh? Also if I remember correctly, the s14 and s15 were pretty big coupes
Nice video guys
I don't understand why ford put the factory redlines on the ecoboost engines so high. All the power falls off and if you let an automatic shift itself it just stays in that high rpm fall off power. They should have just tuned it to shift earlier in the torque range
20 mpg good for the city? you mean 32mpg...right?
3 hours from Houston . Its worth the drive
What do you predict long-term reliability with these upgrades will be like? If it's a daily driver and you're not good with a wrench (Matt you've said before that you can relate to that), will it be reliable enough to handle the extra power and boost to stay out of the shop and not empty your wallet?
the new Camaro offers a turbo 4CYL... cant wait to see what it can do!
+Aaron Hinkle I think its safe to say theres tons of people just as hyped as you and I for that haha. It might be the first new car I buy.
Isn't the BMW 228i also a turbo four with RWD? And its not completely unaffordable
Cobb indicted they no longer have a stage 3 tune. Just stage 2 for intercooler and exhaust :(
I would probably stick to the factory tire size. At this power level there is no reason to add rotational mass to make the car slower.
grand national had a turbo before lol
+Andrew tran and ? they are talking about ford not GM
+Andrew tran Well He was talking about a car with a 4cyl turbo + RWD application. Grand National was a 6 cyl turbo that basically sounded and felt like a V8 lol.
For only $ 2,000 sounds pretty cheap, usually that's exhaust alone.
How much for this kit ? And what does it bring? I really would like to buy it for my 19 EcoBoost
There are multiple turbo fours in RWD that you can buy right now so try again
thank you matt
WAT?!? You were in Austin?!? When was this shot?!? Would be great to meet you in person Matt Farah. ;-)
Like a month ago
+TheSmokingTire Like, let some peeps know.
Man i wanna tune my shit by cobb but idk i dont want my shit to blow up.
At the time this was made (2014) Hyundai had the Genesis coupe, 6 speed RWD Turbo 4 banger, I had the Type R until I got my 2020 HPP EcoBoost Mustang
My parents just got a 2016 ecoboost mustang and i'm really wanting to see things done to the car. Videos plsss? "bigger turbo maybeee?"
You car sounds great . Have you done any other upgrade apart from the COBB tunning?
What I want to know is how these upgrades affect the Warranty. Obviously the cat-back, intake and intercooler shouldn't have much of an effect.
Does Ford care about a car having a downpipe? Do they care about Cobb tunes?
+Adam S (Dolby109) Ford cares about modifications to they extent that they affect the part being claimed under warranty. If you blow the engine and it has a tune on it, they are going to take that into consideration with your claim. But if your warranty claim has nothing to do with the part that's been modified, it doesn't matter at all. Cobb does offer warranties on their products (details on their web site)
I heard the OTS tunes are bad and gives a much better chance for the engine to blow. Get a protune by PD and you'll be in such better shape
Damn those glasses look cool. . . Awesome video as always!! keep it up guys! :D
How much better is cobb tuning campared to Bama?
I don't completely hear what Ian is saying at 15:54 but if he's saying "there is no other turbo 4 that's rearwheel drive" then I want to mention the BMW whith their strong 28i engine. If he's saying something else then please ignore my comment ;p
Where is this road at around Austin? I'm originally from the area and would love to come drive this road when I visit in December.
Have these guys done any work on the camaro 2.0?
That's all well and good, but the only available downloadable OTS map is STILL Stage 1. When will Stage 2 or 3 be released to the public?
+Chris Johnson This package will be released to the public before the end of 2015. The car I drove was the development car.