Mustang Ecoboost Dyno, Stock and Modded
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2023
- I'll dyno the stock car in all the performance modes, Sport, Sport Plus, Track, etc. Then I'll run it on the dyno with the typical type streetable mods, Intake, Cat back Exhaust, Intercooler and a mild 91 octane tune.
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Sorry about the bad transition at around 23 to 24 mins. It only lasts a few seconds so I just left it in there. This video isn't my normal format so I'm learning to do new things here. 
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Absolutely a great video! Thank you for the kind words sir. I'm really blessed to have DV as a friend and mentor. Your Dyno results on hot lapping the Ecoboost is a direct comparison of what we witnessed at the Dragstrip. Big power loss!
I'm really excited about the potential of these cars
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Greg, - my totally unbiased comment here is - really great stuff!!
Now aside from that I feel you handled the intercooler/heat soak/inadequacy situation very well.
Next Ecoboost I am going to show a clip and heavily reference that subject as you have dealt with it.
Great working with you.
DV
DV ................I reworked a set of 429 heads , to your specs , about 40 years ago it was a magazine job you did !!!
Thank you very much. I look forward to your next video.
As an old (age 79) armchair racer in both road and drag strip environments (strictly amateur), I was especially pleased to see you make the distinction(s) between the V8 and 4-cylinder Mustangs in terms of drag strip performance versus track performance. While I did reasonably well at the drag strip half a century ago, I always enjoyed a road race more, and if I were a customer (I'm not), I'd be more interested in mods that would improve road and track performance over mods directed more heavily toward the drag strip. Just personal opinion.
Hi Ray, I'll do chassis mods at some point, but they are harder to quantify, the firewall forward stuff can be more easily evaluated via dyno and dragstrip.
The ecoboost’s when set up right are very fast at the drag strip, I’d say I have $3,000 in mine and my personal best so far has been a 12.02 @109mph. Overall less than $20,000!
Really nice shop set up!!! Really enjoy your video's!!!!!
Sir, you are fantastic! I have watched your historical videos on WWII aircraft for years. Somehow stumbled on this video. Tou mentioned other channels, to which I subscribe. Building a nice 351C now. Drive on!
Thanks Mike, I hope you enjoy the 351C. Unity Motor sports has a recent video on the racing history of that engine and it's quite good.
I'm glad you are able to put out great videos on the stuff you and many of us have a real passion for learning about. Thanks Greg
Thank you so much, crag .
I will do what you Suggest have a great day
Thank you for this video! I really want a 5.0 but it's just too expensive in this market. I added a Stage 1 Cobb which wakes the car up. But definitely going to take the next step into intercoolers and pro-tunes.
I'll be here to help if you need it.
Thanks Greg
11:34 "never mind my supercharged Alfa"....
WWWHHAAATTT?! You twunt, you can't just casually tease us like that! 😂
Nobody else has asked about it. There is a whole long story there, but yes, it's a supercharged Alfa Romeo Spider packing a Lysholm design positive displacement blower with about 10 pounds of boost and no intercooler. It has more power than a same year Porsche 911, so by 1985 standards it's quite fast. One of the guys who works for me (Alexander) has talked me into resurrecting the car and is now trying to talk me into developing several versions of the supercharger kit as well as the engine management system its using.
I mostly watch the historic warbird and DCS videos. I've only seen a few of the automotive videos since I found your channel. I'm not a car guy, but I do like the way you use well-researched, data-driven analysis for whatever subject you choose to tackle. Also surprised to see you on camera for once. Keep up the great work.
Well Done!!!
Cool vid Greg ,like the shop.
I luv my '19 Eco...big power and fast..a little more that GT power..all of the goodies..
Fun video.....my GT is 625-ish so, it's enough at the dragstrip and elsewhere.....good shout outs too.
I'm getting a little old to do any hot roding stuff and I definitely don't make enough to do it anymore. That being said, I do enjoy listing to the modern tuning of cars. In my day a set of headers and an aluminum intake manifold an upgrade on your four barrel and you were almost king of the road, lol. Nice video.
no kidding lol you just listed the first 3 things i did to my 68 Chevelle! that and the dual exhaust, wooooo it was way faster , i mean quicker! i love the responsiveness of old carbureted hot rods. i do not like this drive by wire crap. hit the pedal on my 18 silverado v8 and theres such a delay and it even takes a bit for the rev down
@TRUMP_WAS_RIGHT_ABOUT_EVRYTHNG I'm with you on that. My first rod was a 73 Chevelle and that's what I did too. I love that throttle response on the old carburetor cars too.
Thank you
Nice work boss
Great video, facts not BS.
Im planning a ecoboost 2.3 into a fox body. This looks like good info. Additionally, the intercooler in my ecoboost Maverick is tiny as well . Perhaps I should consider upgrading
I’m starting to think that Greg might be a Cis-Het white male. He should make a coming-out video about it. It would be stunning & brave, Greg. God bless.
lol.
great vid.
Excellent video, great information, good products!
Coyote Chaser
Thanks, I appreciate your kind words.
Awesome!!!
Outstanding analysis! Only thing I'd want to see if a dyno sheet comparison of stock vs the car with the intercooler/tune.
Thanks, I did show both results, but maybe I didn't overlay them. I'll do that next time.
Are you the same Greg that just joined our EB forum and posting videos with the company Euro Compulsion?
Yes, I am. Thank you for asking.
Nice to see you back on camera, Greg
One of my favorite rentals. Knowing you guys do products for this car may sway me towards getting one of these instead of a CLA45. Stainless will "reject" heat very well even compared to silicone, however it's going to "reject" heat from the material both out and into the the intake air.
Thanks, in regards to stainless, it's not only the materiel's coefficient of thermal conductivity, it's how thick it is. You can't have a stainless intake that's made from very thick metal or it would be too heavy. Eurocompulsion silicone intakes are pretty thick.
Greg, will you ever make a video about the original Pontiac SOHC in-line six-cylinder engine? It was offered in a number of cars, the highest performing of which was the Pontiac Firebird Sprint.
I will, in fact I think I mentioned it in one of my Muscle car series videos.
Greg, I've been watching your plane videos for years, but this is the first time I've watched one of your car videos. Probably because mine is a 2017 EB PP, stick shift, Cobb stage 2 (tune, CAI, exhaust, & intercooler). I chose it for all the reasons you mentioned, $10k less, mileage, insurance, plus lighter handling on the twisties. I've done quite a few bolt on mods myself, and find it easy to work on. Have you tried subframe braces? I think those make it feel a little tighter and flatter in the corners.
I'm currently focused on the firewall forward stuff, but I'll get to the chassis mods at some point.
holy Vought FLYING PANCAKE! at 23:46 there's some guy pretending to be Greg! is that the man, the myth, the legend? I enjoy when we finally get to see the voices behind our favorite content creators! i never thought he'd do it.
Thanks, but I have been on camera here before, in my Wright Brothers video, and in one of the Me163 videos. I'm going to do it more with car stuff because it's simply easier. I have people in the shop to help film.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles really!? I don't recall seeing you and I've watched every video , most of them several times 😂. Btw the Shop looks nice. You must be busy , cause that dyno equipment ain't cheap! I remember working for a small garage in Massachusetts back when they first implemented the dyno requirements for inspection stickers. Shop owner damn near had a heart attack when he got the dyno sticker price! And that wasn't a fancy one back in early to mid 2000s. Funny thing , I'm not even sure they have to use the dynos for new vehicles emissions testing now🫨
Great video! I have the same setup pretty much. Accessport Pro PDTune, cai(mostly for the sound not that it adds hp), high-flow cat downpipe to x-pipe to outlaw flowmaster exhaust, CVF race intercooler with new charge pipes. I don't have access to a Dyno but I think it's in the low-mid 300hp range. Thinking about adding a HPFP and running e85 to get into the 400hp range. If it blows up the factory turbo I'll go with NX2 and that would put me around 500hp which I feel like is too much for the factory block which I'm no touching lol.
Good and insightful information. You are correct that Ford did dumb down this 4 banger. For every day driving, the SVO was better than the GT.
as someone who has had a 2018 ecoboost 10speed i completely agree these cars are very neutered stock especially the 5lb pos intercooler, the mods I’ve done are a mbrp race exhaust,k&n intake tube, cv fab street core, Jlt oil separator, and ford performance tune. I make about 320 whp and 400 wheel lb/t on 24lbs of boost that doesn’t taper off like it did stock I still can get 32 mpg, I also did a fair bit of subframe stiffening to make the car corner better. It’s a very underrated car that doesn’t get a lot of attention cause it doesn’t have a v8. Great video.
Thanks, I appreciate your input. It's nice to hear from other ecoboost folks.
Cool Video and project Greg, Im a 2021 Mach 1 driver and really enjoy that car, but im also glad the Ecoboost Mustang exists, Ford is offering something for everyone. They are quite capable, and I think you really nailed it at the end saying the automotive world would be raving about it if it was a VW. I'd really like to drive a HPP Ecooboost, that seams like a great package. I wonder how tuneable that engine is compared to the regular Ecoboost....
I sold my '18 GT and I'm on my 2nd HPP EB now. My '23 EB HPP/HP with a Cobb, CVFab IC and piping and an Airaid intake tube is a blast to drive. Less than a second slower than my previous Coyote I might add. And its a lot lighter feeling on a twisty road.
I don't care what anybody says, Greg. I like your videos on cars! 😁😁😁😁
Thanks Martin.
very interesting
I just bought a 2017 ecoboost Mustang with 75,000 miles premam .
The car is stock at this time.
I am new and learning about performance.
This Mustang is the nicest car i have owned.
My last car was a mustang 2013 V6 fastback..
And I was surprised on how much faster my ecoboost is at stock...
I would like more information. On what I can do with increasing performance on my new car.....
Thank you for this video and information.
Looking forward for more information.
I suggest a Eurocompulsion Phase 1 tune. It will really wake the car up while not stressing it much. Beyond that, an intercooler for sure.
Another thing is the ecoboost mustang is going to have a lot less weight up on the nose which will help with handling. I know Randy Pobst is a fan of the 4cyl camaro for the same reason
He’s also a big fan of the eco boost Mustang. He did a comparison between a mustang with the 2.3 and the 5, both with track pack. The 5 just beat the 2.3, but was better balanced.
I had a 1986 Mustang LX with the GT options and no other options, to the point of hand crank windows. The 5.0 put out 200 HP and 285 tq and got 27mpg on the highway. Interesting to see how competitive that old car would be with this modern one. 3.08 rear gears, the trans had a 3.35 first gear... but I tore that transmission up a bunch of times. I wanted the hatch, so a touch heavier than the notch, I could screech the tires at 60
My buddy's got a nice '86 that he recently re-did with a pretty much stock engine. His has 3:55 gears, which pretty much means it's no good on the highway. Even with gearing that short, it still doesn't accelerate like today's muscle cars. Back in the 80s these cars were considered pretty quick. Today, not so much...
Very interesting video. Regarding the CAC´s it is easy to forget the flow capacity and also how well they use the volume. I can recommend putting some temp strips on the CAC to monitor how it uses its volume.
We did, and it does it poorly.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles The CAC of the Mitsubishi Lancer evo 7-9 is a good design example. If you do not have the space for straight in and out connectors, you can use baffles spread the air flow in the CAC. Since a large CAC volume causes turbo lag, it is preferable to have a small efficient one. Keep the good videos coming =)
@@patrikstrandquist1875 I have never experienced lag in my full bolt on, big cooler, stock turbo mustang.
The upgraded inter cooler works well.
If you have the cash.
Clutch and flywheel.
Decked and sleeved block.
Upgraded high pressure fuel pump.
Upgraded turbocharger.
Race gas
Race tune.
I warn the younger Ecoboost guys. You’d better off buying a house or gold bullion.
A proper prepped race car is over $100,000 just on its own.
There’s the tow vehicle, trailer, tools and spare parts.
Don’t skimp on the planning. Write key stuff and even diagrams.
All true, but the objective here isn't to have a full race car, it's to have an economical Mustang that beats up on the ricers at the track.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I’d go with the bigger inter cooler, race gas, race tune and drag radials. I discovered the axles are aluminum after I snapped one. Some adjustable shocks would help with wheel hop. My Ecoboost was running 11s with just that. Spend a whole day practicing. I do my burnouts in second gear. No alcohol either, you need some anxiety to get the adrenaline going. You can party later. I kept my AC and radio. Nice and comfortable. The minimum combo is inexpensive but it’s weaker and it gets slower if it gets hot out.
Note: Talk to the pros a bit hear and there, take notes, you’ll discover the trade secrets. Set up your car efficiently. Spending half a day at 100+ F changing tires and plugs sucks.
I don't disagree with any of that. Do you by chance have a video of your EcoBoost running 11s at the track? That would be fun to see.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Yes, 2015 at Terrace Bay, my plates are “TURBOLUV”. I forgot to remove them so I can’t post the videos. Some photos are floating around on social media, but the plates aren’t visible. I’ve already had one insurance company drop me.
Be careful out there. Big Brother is watching you.
GA&A.............Drag Boss Garage has tons of 351 C info , history interviews with past SS and Comp , Pro Stock old timers .
Sounds like an intercooler, free flow exhaust, and a tune would make massive improvements. The Heat soak in the intercooler affect performance a lot. Again Ford building a product that is inferior right out of the gate. They had to have known the intercooler was not big enough to even keep the core temp stable. I would even go as far as to say they just care about cost and not the emissions because the extra fuel ya need to throw at it when the cylinder temps creep show they are not targeting emissions, just cost to build and how much money they make off the customer in the end.
Any thoughts on engine longevity stock vs. mods made to improve performance? Not sure how reliable these engines are simply out of the box. Being an old Pro Stock fan of days gone by I'll bet Bob Glidden would have been a fan of your efforts in economical street/strip technology with the Mustang and this engine. Seems like the perfect setup.
If power is kept within reason they hold up just fine.
I think one of these engines in a Pinto station wagon would make one super fun daily driver
My parents had a first year Pinto Wagon, Red with the German built 2.0 engine and a manual transmission. I hated it because as a small kid I found the rear seat to be terrible.
That looks like a decent shop. Nice!
Has Ford actually addressed the cooling issue between the no. 2 and 3 cylinders in EcoBoost engines, and their initial, less-than-optimal solution for it? I changed my mind about a purchase of an EcoBoost Ford when learning of it (a mechanic told me about it).
Thanks, I haven't seen the problem yet in the 2.3, but it's a bigger issue in the 2.0 and smaller versions.
Yes Kuckoo I would dearly like to know more about this!
DV
Little different architecture on the newer 2.3 but my '85 Turbo Thunderbird was the nicest, classiest best running 2.3 Foxbody ever.
2024 Mustang EcoBoost with 2.3L High Performance Package $35,990 including destination. 2024 Mustang GT Fastback with the GT High Performance Package $49,085 including destination. Both cars are base models with just one option, their respective performance packages added. The delta is $13,095. The 2024 Ecoboost comes only with the 10-speed automatic. That's a $1,595 option on the GT. Adding the 10-speed automatic to the GT to make the two cars identically equipped yields a price difference of $14,690. A GT with zero options is $44,090 including destination. An Ecoboost with zero options is $32,515. A $11,575 difference, but when you add the $1,595 automatic to the GT, the delta is $13,170.
Thanks Larry, very good comment. I appreciate you talking the time to look up the actual sticker prices. The Ecoboost looks like a great value when viewed from this angle. In this video I wasn't talking about the 2024, but I'll get to that.
Greg, thank you for covering two of my favorite topics; WWII aircraft and automotive enthusiasm.
I thought it was really interesting that you covered how powder coating negatively affects intercooler performance. There are some folks who have a loose grasp on the term “black body radiation” and think that if something is black, it will dissipate heat better. As a result, the theory goes that a black intercooler will have better performance than a bare aluminum unit.
Would love to hear your thoughts on that.
That's true in some cases, that's an entire video.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I would love to see a video on that.
I'm going to ask a broad question. What would happen if you wanted to put a 50 shot of nitrous in the pipe between the turbo and intercooler?
I would imagine it would bring the temperature down a great bit. But does the engine survive with just factory tune and premium gas?
Just thinking out loud.
I'll have to answer this one in video format. Coming soon.
Another thing to keep in mind is that a very cheap way to compensate for their poor low end boost control and deal with turbo lag is a smaller intercooler.
That's true to a point, but in this case there is no noticeable change in lag or low end boost with the bigger intercooler, I mean literally none.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles yeah I bet. With a good tune and a modern turbo I am sure it is no issue. Not sure what type of turbo is on this car but l presume it may be the newer twin scroll type?
Good to get a reply Greg I always enjoy your videos. I stopped working in automotive 3 years into my career when I realized the OEM treat them like appliances and moved on to other things.
Does a Cat Back system produce more horsepower on the dyno or mainly change the sound?
It's mainly the sound. Furthermore, while I like the sound of the Ragazzon system, my kids who drive the car did not. It's relatively quiet but still sounds sporty which I like. However my kids wanted it a lot louder so they changed it out to the Borla system, which we also sell.
How much weight are you saving with the Ecoboost? And can you feel that on the track?
It depends a bit on which year you're talking about, but automatic vs. automatic, the Ecoboost is about 240 pounds lighter for most of the years.
Say Greg, why do engines make more power with lower engine coolant temperature? Is it because the ECU can apply more boost if the cylinders are shedding more heat? My car significantly lowers the coolant temperature when I put it in track mode.
Within certain limits lower coolant temps move the engine farther away from knock due to lower cylinder head temperatures. In this video I was specifically talking about air temp in the intake manifold, not coolant temps.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I didn't say that you said anything about coolant temps, I was just asking you an unrelated question as a knowledgeable person. Anyway, thanks for supporting my assumption.
Hi Gort, I thought so, but as you know I get a lot of questions so sometimes I read them a bit too fast as I go through them. I also have to think about how other people might read them and then interpret my response.
I have a 2018 Ford Focus ST that I want to increase to power on my 2.0 Eco-Boost engine would what you are doing here apply to my ST ?
In principles yes, but these specific parts only fit the Mustang Ecoboost.
I was going to ask about water injection!😊
See episode 95 of PowerTec 10 for a really comprehensive run down on water injection. Guaranteed it's not the usual fluff and buff stuff but real down the earth tech!
I second Mr. Vizard's comment. Here is the link to the suggested video: ruclips.net/video/jextyKc2UN4/видео.htmlsi=06aNrPAKwPFqypCD
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I learned about water injection in the 70s. I am an advocate for it. In today's engines I would only use distilled water. The impurities in tap water can possibly corrode aluminum. I remember a guy around Winchester Va took 78 Ford Fiesta added water injection and raised compression by 1 atmosphere. Boosted power, improved economy and lowered emissions. Just a basic engine with carburetor. Always wanted to try it.
Is that a green speed tandem recumbent tadpole trike?
I don't know what green speed it. However it's a Terratrike 30 speed TWO seat unit. I ride it together with my youngest son who has Down syndrome. We have a great time on it.
Recumbent bicycle? Not what I expected
Allow me to explain. It's not just a recumbent, it's a two seat recumbent. I have a son with Down syndrome and he and I ride it together.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I thought it had two seats; best wishes to you and your son.
Thanks Bill, and he and I are doing well.
Why is racing and enhancing cars so popular in Oklahoma? I love the 405 television stuff, i just fast forward to each race skip the yap yap yap lol
I don't know.
@@kuckoo9036 Well, there is college football but if you're not into that, let's go racing.
We have a lot here. Racing, flying, boating, all types of hunting and fishing, there are not too many activities you can't pursue here, I suppose surfing is one.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Forgot the LOL at the end of my comment, guess you can tell that I don't live there.
I get it. College football is a big deal here to a lot of people, I couldn't care less about it.
When did Ford start making 4 cylinder Mustang? We would never buy a Mustang with such a small capacity engine here in Australia
Ford has been putting 2.3 turbos into Mustangs since 1979, so this isn't new. Furthermore, ever since the car's introduction in 1964 they have had small engine options, in that year it was a 170 cubic inch 6 cylinder, which was small at the time and only 100 gross horsepower (about 75 in todays terms). The current and previous generations with the turbo 2.3 are very competitive with the V8s around the track and have many advantages as a daily driver.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Thanks, we look on Mustangs and Chevs as big engine Race Cars here Our Bathurst 1000 is between Mustangs and Chevs now It used to be Falcons and Holdens but all have big engines.
If you are into racing come and see the Bathurst 1000 in October Great race And they have a Spitfire and P51 fly every ANZAC Day up here in Qld.
I had an 89 Probe GT. I think it had a bigger intercooler. Pretty much the same engine, sort of.
Water injection?😊
Not yet, but probably at some point.
Open deck blocks, ha, junk. It won't last, unless you use Velcro to hold the head on. Head Gasket change is in the future.
I disagree about open deck blocks, all my Alfa Romeos have open deck blocks, in fact they are much more open than the Ford and yet they hold up fine with quite a bit of power. Now what you're talking about is a situation specific to the Ford ecoboost, not open decks in general. cont:
In the case of the Ford, I'll talk about how to avoid these problems as I increase the power. At the current level, which isn't crazy high, it's not an issue.
wow on the intercooler? how does a Ford engineer f**k that up? anyone buying this new mustang best watch your video before they sign that note!
I'm certain they did it on purpose to keep the car from being easily brought up to GT performance levels.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I think you're right on that one. I commented while watching the video and you explained it pretty well at the ending . Definitely makes sense that they handicapped it like they did. This is a Great video for any potential mustang shopper! It still blows me away the amount of programming that can be done to these vehicles, from shifting to the exhaust sounds 🤯. Speaking of exhaust , I wanna strangle bmw for their stupid muffler bypass thingy. Everyday this kid drives by our house and it legitimately sounds like a drive by shooting!
Have you ever tried an intercooler on a normally aspirated engine. I think it would help a basic car produce more power. Just curious what you think
The entire reason for the intercooler is to take away heat created by supercharging/turbocharging. A good cold air intake on a normally aspirated car is usually the answer for those vehicles.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I saw her test between a Ford F-150 Ecoboost V6, a Dodge eco diesel and a Chevy or GMC 350 5.7 later truck hauling it 10000 pound trailer up a 7% grade. It's actually here on RUclips. The Ford won one test out of six. See 5.7 l lost the one during the heat of the day and one at sunset where air was cooling off it won. So I'm always wondered if you could intercool a regular engine. An intercooler is more effective than a cool air intake. That is of course my opinion
@@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
You're apparently misinterpreting something somewhere if you believe that, an innercooler can't cool down your intake air any more that what the ambient air temperature is, and a cool air intake just draws in ambient temp air from outside the engine compartment, the air passing over the innercooler and the air going through it are literally the same temperature, therefore the innercooler won't cool the intake air anymore than what it already is.
Innercooler's work on boosted engine's because the process of compressing the air via a turbo or a blower heats up the air, just the same as an air compressor heats up the air it compresses, all an innercooler does is cool the heated up air down after it comes out of the turbo or blower (whichever is being used), the most you could hope to cool it down to is the ambient air temperature which is what the temperature of the air going into a non boosted engine is anyway, so no, an innercooler on a non boosted engine won't do anything, it can't cool down the air passing through it any more than the air flowing across it, which once again is the same temperature as the air being drawn into a non boosted engine through a cool air intake.
Duke, thanks for helping out with this one. John, listen to Duke.