None as poetic as doug, this is an art form. Ultimately it is truth & it is all glory to God. But in terms of execution, doug is very good at what he does from an artistic & rhetorical standpoint.
Yeah Ive heard what they had to say, as well as a lot of "red pill" guys, I agree with Elias. Doug has the clearest, biblical, most poetic and helpful way of putting this stuff
John MacArthur is awesome too but I agree that Doug is much-needed because like JMac, he's willing to go after the sacred cow in the church (superficial evangelical women).
@@theauthor8901 I really don't think the tech team is to blame. This has Doug's thumbprints all over it. It's part of his, "See, I'm not one of those pietistic fundamentalists" schtick.
I was not allowed to dress immodestly or flamboyantly. My parents were the ones that taught me and if I made a mistake then my brother would certainly let me know and I appreciate that.
@@chickenheart896 bro, if that thumbnail was too much for you, you have a very deep sickness. Besides, Biblical modesty isn't really about nudity, it's really more about money. I don't think this was the best choice, but I didn't ever see it as a lust-provoking image. I don't think it should be. I don't think we're building each other up by wearing kid gloves. Men should have enough self control to look at this and not sin. Women shouldn't be blamed for looking good to us, if we are the ones doing the looking.
@@josephbrandenburg4373 Yeah, yeah, that's right --tell people who object to ministers of the gospel posting naked women silhouettes as clickbait that THEY are the sick ones. The question to ask is WHY would Doug do this. It wasn't an accident. What goes on in the mind of a man who literally "teases" his followers with such an image? There is something very wrong here. What's even worse is when his acolytes refuse to acknowledge there is a problem.
Thank you so much Mr. Wilson, this is always a great series. This helps with what I should be looking for in a godly woman, and how I should act as a man following Christ.
I think a bunch of married women need to hear these As well. Seems many a married women think that they can dress immodestly for the fact that they are Married. No one dare Allege that a married woman is Trying to attract the attention of men around her Because the world has taught her that this is the way to boost her confidence and self esteem i.e. Arrogance.
@@chickenheart896 well first off I don’t think he makes the thumbnails, but granted it is still technically his video. But secondly because I think in this case it kinda is getting to his point.
This is good advice, much more Biblical and measured than your last video about modesty. Especially the bit about beauty & charm being fleeting. I would have liked to hear more justification, however, for how the Bible teaches modesty - it's usually just assumed. The scriptures people trot out for it are more directly pointed at modesty in terms of wealth. That being said, I think it is wise for people to dress in the way that will communicate who they want others to see them as. For women who aren't looking for a quick hookup, this often means they should dress in a modest way (same goes for men). But I don't know if the Bible gives us very specific instructions on how we ought to dress, and when.
A glaring omission is Ruth. We are not told if Ruth was beautiful. The story of Ruth is an ethical lesson: how to marry in a selfless manner. However, the author does mention something of esthetics when Boaz thanks Ruth for considering him and not chasing after younger men. Another interesting observation is that Isaac would not have known for himself whether Rebekah was beautiful before he married her, for she veiled herself.
Same here. And the pursuing of it is nowhere to be seen in scripture either. You either have it or you don’t and that is that. We women already struggle with vanity, why load us up with more of that burden?
As a guy here I’d guess that at least part of that (even maybe a small part) is because God made men (and women) different even as individuals. There’s also different cultures. So what is physically attractive becomes an area of Christian liberty. In some societies plump and chubby women were seen as the standard of beauty. At other times small, slender and flat was. And everything in between. The same goes for the men and their physical appearance. And thats only body types, to say nothing of facial shapes, styles and features, or hair colors.
I’ll keep it real, modest Christian women are very attractive. Truth be told the loud, boastful, immodest, Jezebel characteristics are so unattractive. By the Grace of God through His spirit and by using sound biblical Men like Doug Wilson and others it is easier to tell who is wife material and who is not.
Hi Doug, I like your videos and wisdom. But, could I ask you to please not post thumbnail pictures like this one. We Christians who come from a background of horrendous sexual immorality are very sensitive to things like this. We typically do not need to see images, but when we do (even if it is a drawing or something that is not real flesh) it causes us to stumble severely in our minds. If you would please honor the Lord by doing us this grace, we would be very appreciative. To Him be the dominion, forever and ever, Amen Jared
33 yr. career Environmental Planner/Engineer; last 11 as a Fed. More than 15% of Women(?) came to work with-all-3 of their cracks hanging out in the fresh air. I never met, interviewed or reviewed a woman(?) alone; always a 3rd disinterested witness, sometimes 20 ft away looking thru an open doorway. At least 2 of Potiphar's Wives accosted me. Genesis 39:12
I have been starting to wonder if Godly, attractive, good looking, intelligent, young (fertile), Christian modest women who can cook are a myth. Where is a worthy helpmeet, and who can find her?
Same here bro I'm 34 and almost convinced my destiny is to be a eunuch for the kingdom.(except my problem is more that I'm not sure I'll ever be ready to "go for it" as in pursuing a relationship) 😔
Maybe call biblical reformed churches around the country and use your elders as references if those churches want proof you’re an upright man and ask if there’s any single Godly women in attendance. Just an idea
@@tarynmckenzie8255 not Many Biblical Reformed churches in the Columbia river gorge of Oregon. As for my uprightness, I was crucified with Christ, and other than Christ, there is nothing good in me. Yes, there are elders who would speak well of me, but that would be silly. I am a wretched sinner, who could fall seven times in one day! But, even so, I can, by the grace of God, cook circles around most american women. But... That might be a good idea.
I’d hope you’re upright you’re supposed to be. I went through the self-deprecating stage too, which is a good sign you understand the doctrine of depravity and how it applies to you. But yeah plenty of verses on uprightness and righteousness being adjectives of mere mortals. As for your location, work hard build things make a greater man of yourself and if she hasn’t come around search the world for your bride. But if you don’t have the gumption than maybe you’re not ready to lead a woman ( not to be too harsh) and I know plenty of young women who are amazing cooks and bake the best desserts and keep sourdough starters handy, modest but beautiful and well kept ..these women are all married like me and we’re all millennial American women at that. All that to say God declare d there will always be a remnant so therefore there are Godly young women worthy of marriage to Godly UPRIGHT men. Be encouraged brother. Though these women are married there’s single women out there wondering where the men are at it’s the more common complaint as largely men have left the church.
@@tarynmckenzie8255 Yes, I am an upright, Spirit filled man, who is not lacking in moral rectitude, spine, gumption. I may live in the pacwest, but I am a southern gentleman, by way of Texas. I am quite patient as of now, and I may yet begin my search. I have kept the issue in prayerful council, and commited unto His court. My desire for offspring, to bring up in the fear and admonition and a partner for the journey of life remains strong. I have some challenges, but through a verse taken out of context, I can do all things, through Christ who strengthens me. Including, finding my God fearing quiver mate.
This is my second comment, and I am writing it because this is a subject I think about often and I'd like feedback from other Christians. It's not really about the video but about the subject of modesty in general, from a male perspective. I want to know if I'm far off the mark in my thoughts, so that I can improve myself and guard my walk more closely. Personally I am of the opinion that there's nothing inherently wrong with the body or the skin. The person who has the eyes is the one who must be responsible about lust. I wonder if we were to see each other's skin in more natural, healthy contexts, would we have healthier attitudes toward the body? I wonder if pornography would be so widely used if people didn't associate nudity and sex the way they do. I think "Christian modesty" in places like beaches is misguided-- making the girls wear one-piece suits reinforces to all the impressionable young minds that there is something inherently sexual about showing skin. I fear that this attitude is a tacit admission that men can't win the fight against lust, so women should be the ones to cover our failures. This is also one of the root causes of people's insecurity about their bodies. So it hurts men and women - because men are doing most of the lust (not all) and women are suffering most of the insecurity (not all). So in a sense, I think that kind of modesty may have some harmful effects, too. And that's the craziest thing. I don't often feel tempted to lust when I'm with a woman that I know in person. It has nothing to do with what she is or isn't wearing - I have respect for her personhood and I am afraid of the social consequences of being caught staring. When I was in art school, it would never occur to me that the model in the middle of the room could be an object of lust; that would be unprofessional and crude. But take away the other person, turn her into a picture, and all that goes away. I don't have anything holding me back when there's no social consequence for my bad behavior. So it isn't an issue of modesty at all, at least in the way it's normally described. In fact, it was possible for me to look intently at the model in the drawing classroom without lust, but a mere glance at an "immodest" woman in a grocery store can be a sin, though she is wearing much more clothing. And it's my fault entirely. I should always require that level of self-control from myself. I should always respect the other person, even if she is a passing stranger. And this is where it comes back to the idea of modesty. Why is it that I sometimes fall to the temptation to lust? It's because I tell myself that she is inviting it on herself by how she dresses. I associate her clothing with a lack of self-respect and then lose respect for her. When I don't respect her, I don't respect myself, I don't respect God. Why should that have anything to do with what she is wearing? If she doesn't respect herself, I should still respect her. If she wants the attention, there is a better way to give it to her. Ultimately, I am the one who is to blame for any sin that occurs, who am I to say that she led me into it? I was led away by own desire. She was only guilty of being desirable. What if, instead of making a woman responsible for controlling her desirability, what if we expected more from our men and built them up? If only, when I was a teenager, I had been given affirmation that I was normal to want to look, and then given leadership to teach me how to respect the girls in my life. But I was given a smattering of Matthew 5:28 and a misrepresentation of 1 Timothy 2:9. The body itself is off-limits, and my curiosity must have been a sin. That didn't teach me self-control. It taught me to be ashamed, which made everything worse! Maybe there's a middle way, one that encourages decency and propriety based on the context and setting. Maybe there's a way we can teach our young ones about the body at home, instead of letting them burn with curiosity and discover the horrors of unrestricted pornography? They're finding it at 11 these days.. I was 14 or so. Had there been a healthier way to learn, would I have been drawn into the vacuum of sexual temptation and sin? I learned far, far more than my curiosity had longed to know. I wish I never had. I think I was more lonely in those days than I have ever been in my life. Someone, I think it was actually Doug Wilson in another video, said: "The problem with pornography isn't that it shows too much; in fact, it shows too little" -- meaning that the subject of the films is deceitful because it strips out the personhood of the performers. It removes the cost of their misbehavior. It covers over the fact that they are not nearly as happy as they make themselves appear to be. And more than anything, it eliminates relationship from the equation. Would I look if it were a woman I know, even if it were a beautiful woman I would love to be with? No, I would be ashamed to treat her that way and I would feel ashamed on her behalf to see her in such a state. If I were in the same room, would I stay? Or would I cover my face and vacate the premises? How can we protect people from this? Is it possible to create something that shows the whole picture, instead of the deceitful, edited lie? Maybe then we would be able to have holiness in the way we look at each other, and modesty wouldn't be such an important issue. I don't want to be so enslaved to my sin that I am only a free man when the women around me are forced to enshroud themselves in burqa. Surely that is the most hellish state for either sex.
Good point. No, excellent point. Modesty is good, but women should be urged to embrace modesty not for the men's sake, but for Christ's sake. Men should own up their faults, just as James describes that temptation is born when a man is "dragged away by his own evil desire and enticed", not because He looked at this woman or that woman who supposedly was immodest, and so making the woman the source of his temptation when the source is his very own heart. Rather men should spend more time crying out to God as the psalmist did in chapter 19 "How can I know the sins lurking in my heart? Cleanse me oh Lord from all my hidden faults, and keep from willful sins" and the Lord will have mercy and grant the freedom and the blessing of a pure heart.
Christian women have a responsibility to dress appropriately not because they are responsible for keeping Christian men from lusting after them (an impossible task at any rate), but because they are responsible (just as men are) for honoring God with their body. 1 Thess. 4:4 speaks of each of us using our body (or "possessing our vessel") in holiness and honor. Due to asymmetrical expressions of human sexuality, looks and dress carry much more weight for women than they do for men, and words and behavior carry more weight for men than they do for women. That is to say that we each have greater responsibility in certain areas when it comes to Christlike virtue and honoring God with our bodies-women in how they present themselves in appearance/demeanor (primarily) and men in how they talk and act (primarily). Of course a big part of men's responsibility in this is properly loving and respecting our sisters in Christ like you mentioned, and I 100% agree that it's better to teach a holistic view of the body and of human sexuality with an emphasis on properly ordered desire than to tell young men simply "body = sinful."
False dichotomy. Women and men should be modest in appearance and decorum. Women and men should be controlling their gaze and their lust. That said I love what you said about pornography showing too little and the emphasis on self control.
Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.
More of a, if the girl likes the guy and there's nothing to fault him in their relationship, she shouldn't refuse him so that she can dive deep into sexual sin.
Notice he also said, don't be afraid to say no to a person. This tells us that the person looking for a spouse should have standards that are to be met first. These standards are best based upon the biblical, God fearing/following standards as God is the one who made humans, male and female, to begin with.
@@zachdavenport8509 Let's mitigate that with 1 Cor 7:8. We ought not presume that the default condition is marriage. Preventing fornication, yes, I hear that. By the way, I'm married -- and better for it -- for almost 37 years.
@@tedshoemaker923 I'm not saying I agree with Wilson, just that he would have no problem with calling marriage the default. He believes that it is a very specific calling to be single and not a colling given to many. I haven't thought through it enough to have a valid opinion on the topic.
Make up is not for a godly woman as much as yoga clothes and short and tight clothing. There is a reason God made tunics, not short or tight things for Adam and Eve in Genesis chapter 3.
There is nothing particularly wrong with makeup. There is the kind that either hides flaws/blemishes and accentuates naturally and there is the whore's warpaint look.
I have a different interpretation of God making clothing for them, if you're interested. God made them, and they were nude when they were created. When they sinned, their eyes were opened, and they realized they were naked. God had told them "The day you eat of it, you will surely die". They were ashamed of themselves, and afraid, so they hid. Then when God found them, he didn't take their lives, as he had said. (Some interpret it as a spiritual death, which may be true, but IMO that's a secondary interpretation if not a bit forced) Instead, God gave them skin made from an animal. He took an animal's life and used it to cover their nakedness. Thus, I think that Adam and Eve's nakedness is a symbol of their guilt and shame. It represents the state of vulnerability they have when they stand before God. God's gift of animal-skin clothing is a prefiguration of Christ's substitutionary death, and the clothing itself represents his righteousness, which covers our sin. So I have also come to the opinion that the Adam and Eve story is not useful for discussions of modesty, one way or the other. It isn't talking about clothing at all, rather, clothing is a symbol for the real meaning- God's love, substitutionary atonement, and covering of grace.
Exactly. What do the elderly know. Also why should he share his opinion just because Darla asked for it? Shut up Doug and let the young, biracial, nonbinary folks tell this young woman how to dress.
Well... it is. The reason we know God intended it that way is because he has revealed things about Himself in Scripture. The Bible tells both older men and older woman to teach young woman. Our authority isn't Doug Wilson, or any person for that matter. It's God's word. The Bible is the standard. Doug is just expounding on what the Bible teaches. Christ is King, God bless. :)
@@WasLostButNowAmFound Nope, Boomers know the difference between right and wrong. We don't always do that which is right. You, however, refuse to acknowledge those things you KNOW to be right.
"If you're not going to sell the car, why did you put the ad in the paper?" Great stuff
She liked having her tires kicked.
This is the only pastor I will listen to on gender issues. He has clearly done his homework, and isn't swayed by cultural lies. Great stuff as always!
Try Rich Lusk, Uri Britto, Michael Foster and Voddie Baucham
@@rafaelsanguinetti and add Paul Washer
None as poetic as doug, this is an art form. Ultimately it is truth & it is all glory to God. But in terms of execution, doug is very good at what he does from an artistic & rhetorical standpoint.
Yeah Ive heard what they had to say, as well as a lot of "red pill" guys, I agree with Elias. Doug has the clearest, biblical, most poetic and helpful way of putting this stuff
John MacArthur is awesome too but I agree that Doug is much-needed because like JMac, he's willing to go after the sacred cow in the church (superficial evangelical women).
If This could only encourage Mr. Doug.here Rwandans we are listening and growing in the lord.
“because it is immodest and demented” - Pastor Doug Wilson
Amen, God bless, and thank you, brother!
Immodest and demented -- that also goes for Doug's naked lady silhouette.
@@theauthor8901 I really don't think the tech team is to blame. This has Doug's thumbprints all over it. It's part of his, "See, I'm not one of those pietistic fundamentalists" schtick.
I was not allowed to dress immodestly or flamboyantly.
My parents were the ones that taught me and if I made a mistake then my brother would certainly let me know and I appreciate that.
Thank you uncle Doug, always forthright, wise and measured in all you say, God bless you and your ministry!
Good words sir. I love that you also mentioned that we do not need to think being a plain Jane is somehow more holy. Good teaching.
It's pretty rare to hear that in discussions of modesty that actually take the topic seriously.
@@josephbrandenburg4373 How can you take Doug seriously on the topic of modesty when he puts a silhouette of a naked lady on his thumbnail?
@@chickenheart896 bro, if that thumbnail was too much for you, you have a very deep sickness.
Besides, Biblical modesty isn't really about nudity, it's really more about money. I don't think this was the best choice, but I didn't ever see it as a lust-provoking image. I don't think it should be. I don't think we're building each other up by wearing kid gloves. Men should have enough self control to look at this and not sin. Women shouldn't be blamed for looking good to us, if we are the ones doing the looking.
@@josephbrandenburg4373 Yeah, yeah, that's right --tell people who object to ministers of the gospel posting naked women silhouettes as clickbait that THEY are the sick ones. The question to ask is WHY would Doug do this. It wasn't an accident. What goes on in the mind of a man who literally "teases" his followers with such an image? There is something very wrong here. What's even worse is when his acolytes refuse to acknowledge there is a problem.
@@chickenheart896 I think you're mistaken. I am not an "acolyte". I think that it's wrong to associate nudity and sex like that.
Thanks uncle Doug! I wish I've known you in my early twenties!
5:15 the reference to the white-washed tomb is spot on.
Thank you so much Mr. Wilson, this is always a great series. This helps with what I should be looking for in a godly woman, and how I should act as a man following Christ.
I think a bunch of married women need to hear these As well. Seems many a married women think that they can dress immodestly for the fact that they are Married. No one dare Allege that a married woman is Trying to attract the attention of men around her Because the world has taught her that this is the way to boost her confidence and self esteem i.e. Arrogance.
Why does Doug use silly pornographic silhouettes for clickbait?
@@chickenheart896 funny you ask because i was thinking that was a bit much when i first saw it.
@@chickenheart896 well first off I don’t think he makes the thumbnails, but granted it is still technically his video. But secondly because I think in this case it kinda is getting to his point.
Another good one
Go downtown and look over the prostitutes. If you're wearing what they're wearing, it's time to change.
You don't have to go downtown. Just look at Doug's silhouttes.
Straight on target!!! Absolutely love this and learning a lot. Thanks for keeping it real and Biblically based Doug!!
I wish Doug were my uncle/grandfather/father.
When it comes to building families, 40 is not the new 20.
I definitely have NO problem averting my eyes now when I walk past a Victoria's Secret store
Same here. And not because I have become a better person! Haha
This is good advice, much more Biblical and measured than your last video about modesty. Especially the bit about beauty & charm being fleeting. I would have liked to hear more justification, however, for how the Bible teaches modesty - it's usually just assumed. The scriptures people trot out for it are more directly pointed at modesty in terms of wealth. That being said, I think it is wise for people to dress in the way that will communicate who they want others to see them as. For women who aren't looking for a quick hookup, this often means they should dress in a modest way (same goes for men). But I don't know if the Bible gives us very specific instructions on how we ought to dress, and when.
A glaring omission is Ruth. We are not told if Ruth was beautiful. The story of Ruth is an ethical lesson: how to marry in a selfless manner. However, the author does mention something of esthetics when Boaz thanks Ruth for considering him and not chasing after younger men. Another interesting observation is that Isaac would not have known for himself whether Rebekah was beautiful before he married her, for she veiled herself.
Ruth is literally a derivation of the word beauty in a book packed with names that mean things.
@@Welcome_to_the_Word why doesn't her name mean 'friend' , which is the commonly accepted view?
I can’t think of any New Testament references to a woman’s physical beauty.
Same here. And the pursuing of it is nowhere to be seen in scripture either. You either have it or you don’t and that is that. We women already struggle with vanity, why load us up with more of that burden?
As a guy here I’d guess that at least part of that (even maybe a small part) is because God made men (and women) different even as individuals. There’s also different cultures. So what is physically attractive becomes an area of Christian liberty. In some societies plump and chubby women were seen as the standard of beauty. At other times small, slender and flat was. And everything in between. The same goes for the men and their physical appearance. And thats only body types, to say nothing of facial shapes, styles and features, or hair colors.
Good stuff nailed it🎯
I’ll keep it real, modest Christian women are very attractive. Truth be told the loud, boastful, immodest, Jezebel characteristics are so unattractive. By the Grace of God through His spirit and by using sound biblical Men like Doug Wilson and others it is easier to tell who is wife material and who is not.
Hi Doug,
I like your videos and wisdom. But, could I ask you to please not post thumbnail pictures like this one. We Christians who come from a background of horrendous sexual immorality are very sensitive to things like this. We typically do not need to see images, but when we do (even if it is a drawing or something that is not real flesh) it causes us to stumble severely in our minds. If you would please honor the Lord by doing us this grace, we would be very appreciative.
To Him be the dominion, forever and ever,
Amen
Jared
Sound advice.
33 yr. career Environmental Planner/Engineer; last 11 as a Fed. More than 15% of Women(?) came to work with-all-3 of their cracks hanging out in the fresh air. I never met, interviewed or reviewed a woman(?) alone; always a 3rd disinterested witness, sometimes 20 ft away looking thru an open doorway. At least 2 of Potiphar's Wives accosted me. Genesis 39:12
I have been starting to wonder if Godly, attractive, good looking, intelligent, young (fertile), Christian modest women who can cook are a myth. Where is a worthy helpmeet, and who can find her?
Same here bro I'm 34 and almost convinced my destiny is to be a eunuch for the kingdom.(except my problem is more that I'm not sure I'll ever be ready to "go for it" as in pursuing a relationship) 😔
Maybe call biblical reformed churches around the country and use your elders as references if those churches want proof you’re an upright man and ask if there’s any single Godly women in attendance. Just an idea
@@tarynmckenzie8255 not Many Biblical Reformed churches in the Columbia river gorge of Oregon. As for my uprightness, I was crucified with Christ, and other than Christ, there is nothing good in me.
Yes, there are elders who would speak well of me, but that would be silly. I am a wretched sinner, who could fall seven times in one day!
But, even so, I can, by the grace of God, cook circles around most american women.
But... That might be a good idea.
I’d hope you’re upright you’re supposed to be. I went through the self-deprecating stage too, which is a good sign you understand the doctrine of depravity and how it applies to you. But yeah plenty of verses on uprightness and righteousness being adjectives of mere mortals. As for your location, work hard build things make a greater man of yourself and if she hasn’t come around search the world for your bride. But if you don’t have the gumption than maybe you’re not ready to lead a woman ( not to be too harsh) and I know plenty of young women who are amazing cooks and bake the best desserts and keep sourdough starters handy, modest but beautiful and well kept ..these women are all married like me and we’re all millennial American women at that. All that to say God declare d there will always be a remnant so therefore there are Godly young women worthy of marriage to Godly UPRIGHT men. Be encouraged brother. Though these women are married there’s single women out there wondering where the men are at it’s the more common complaint as largely men have left the church.
@@tarynmckenzie8255 Yes, I am an upright, Spirit filled man, who is not lacking in moral rectitude, spine, gumption. I may live in the pacwest, but I am a southern gentleman, by way of Texas.
I am quite patient as of now, and I may yet begin my search. I have kept the issue in prayerful council, and commited unto His court.
My desire for offspring, to bring up in the fear and admonition and a partner for the journey of life remains strong. I have some challenges, but through a verse taken out of context, I can do all things, through Christ who strengthens me.
Including, finding my God fearing quiver mate.
This is my second comment, and I am writing it because this is a subject I think about often and I'd like feedback from other Christians. It's not really about the video but about the subject of modesty in general, from a male perspective. I want to know if I'm far off the mark in my thoughts, so that I can improve myself and guard my walk more closely.
Personally I am of the opinion that there's nothing inherently wrong with the body or the skin. The person who has the eyes is the one who must be responsible about lust. I wonder if we were to see each other's skin in more natural, healthy contexts, would we have healthier attitudes toward the body? I wonder if pornography would be so widely used if people didn't associate nudity and sex the way they do. I think "Christian modesty" in places like beaches is misguided-- making the girls wear one-piece suits reinforces to all the impressionable young minds that there is something inherently sexual about showing skin. I fear that this attitude is a tacit admission that men can't win the fight against lust, so women should be the ones to cover our failures. This is also one of the root causes of people's insecurity about their bodies. So it hurts men and women - because men are doing most of the lust (not all) and women are suffering most of the insecurity (not all). So in a sense, I think that kind of modesty may have some harmful effects, too.
And that's the craziest thing. I don't often feel tempted to lust when I'm with a woman that I know in person. It has nothing to do with what she is or isn't wearing - I have respect for her personhood and I am afraid of the social consequences of being caught staring. When I was in art school, it would never occur to me that the model in the middle of the room could be an object of lust; that would be unprofessional and crude. But take away the other person, turn her into a picture, and all that goes away. I don't have anything holding me back when there's no social consequence for my bad behavior. So it isn't an issue of modesty at all, at least in the way it's normally described. In fact, it was possible for me to look intently at the model in the drawing classroom without lust, but a mere glance at an "immodest" woman in a grocery store can be a sin, though she is wearing much more clothing. And it's my fault entirely. I should always require that level of self-control from myself. I should always respect the other person, even if she is a passing stranger.
And this is where it comes back to the idea of modesty. Why is it that I sometimes fall to the temptation to lust? It's because I tell myself that she is inviting it on herself by how she dresses. I associate her clothing with a lack of self-respect and then lose respect for her. When I don't respect her, I don't respect myself, I don't respect God. Why should that have anything to do with what she is wearing? If she doesn't respect herself, I should still respect her. If she wants the attention, there is a better way to give it to her. Ultimately, I am the one who is to blame for any sin that occurs, who am I to say that she led me into it? I was led away by own desire. She was only guilty of being desirable. What if, instead of making a woman responsible for controlling her desirability, what if we expected more from our men and built them up? If only, when I was a teenager, I had been given affirmation that I was normal to want to look, and then given leadership to teach me how to respect the girls in my life. But I was given a smattering of Matthew 5:28 and a misrepresentation of 1 Timothy 2:9. The body itself is off-limits, and my curiosity must have been a sin. That didn't teach me self-control. It taught me to be ashamed, which made everything worse! Maybe there's a middle way, one that encourages decency and propriety based on the context and setting. Maybe there's a way we can teach our young ones about the body at home, instead of letting them burn with curiosity and discover the horrors of unrestricted pornography? They're finding it at 11 these days.. I was 14 or so. Had there been a healthier way to learn, would I have been drawn into the vacuum of sexual temptation and sin? I learned far, far more than my curiosity had longed to know. I wish I never had. I think I was more lonely in those days than I have ever been in my life.
Someone, I think it was actually Doug Wilson in another video, said: "The problem with pornography isn't that it shows too much; in fact, it shows too little" -- meaning that the subject of the films is deceitful because it strips out the personhood of the performers. It removes the cost of their misbehavior. It covers over the fact that they are not nearly as happy as they make themselves appear to be. And more than anything, it eliminates relationship from the equation. Would I look if it were a woman I know, even if it were a beautiful woman I would love to be with? No, I would be ashamed to treat her that way and I would feel ashamed on her behalf to see her in such a state. If I were in the same room, would I stay? Or would I cover my face and vacate the premises?
How can we protect people from this? Is it possible to create something that shows the whole picture, instead of the deceitful, edited lie? Maybe then we would be able to have holiness in the way we look at each other, and modesty wouldn't be such an important issue. I don't want to be so enslaved to my sin that I am only a free man when the women around me are forced to enshroud themselves in burqa. Surely that is the most hellish state for either sex.
Good point. No, excellent point. Modesty is good, but women should be urged to embrace modesty not for the men's sake, but for Christ's sake.
Men should own up their faults, just as James describes that temptation is born when a man is "dragged away by his own evil desire and enticed", not because He looked at this woman or that woman who supposedly was immodest, and so making the woman the source of his temptation when the source is his very own heart.
Rather men should spend more time crying out to God as the psalmist did in chapter 19 "How can I know the sins lurking in my heart? Cleanse me oh Lord from all my hidden faults, and keep from willful sins" and the Lord will have mercy and grant the freedom and the blessing of a pure heart.
@@TheRevolutionaryMan4614 Thanks for the reply. I'd love it if you could share more scripture like Psalm 19, if you can think of anymore.
@@josephbrandenburg4373 Not much, but I can recall Psalms 51, Psalm 32, Psalm 25
Christian women have a responsibility to dress appropriately not because they are responsible for keeping Christian men from lusting after them (an impossible task at any rate), but because they are responsible (just as men are) for honoring God with their body. 1 Thess. 4:4 speaks of each of us using our body (or "possessing our vessel") in holiness and honor. Due to asymmetrical expressions of human sexuality, looks and dress carry much more weight for women than they do for men, and words and behavior carry more weight for men than they do for women. That is to say that we each have greater responsibility in certain areas when it comes to Christlike virtue and honoring God with our bodies-women in how they present themselves in appearance/demeanor (primarily) and men in how they talk and act (primarily).
Of course a big part of men's responsibility in this is properly loving and respecting our sisters in Christ like you mentioned, and I 100% agree that it's better to teach a holistic view of the body and of human sexuality with an emphasis on properly ordered desire than to tell young men simply "body = sinful."
False dichotomy. Women and men should be modest in appearance and decorum. Women and men should be controlling their gaze and their lust. That said I love what you said about pornography showing too little and the emphasis on self control.
A lot of "you should not" or "you should".
Hmmm, I find the locution and delivery odd of Doug Wilson style videos as this. Just everything is ODD!
Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
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Apostles are allowed to marry,
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11).
Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up)
12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary.
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Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics.
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Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.
For the algorithm
Don't say no to a man for nebulous reasons?
That almost sounds like: You ought to get married unless you have a good reason not to.
More of a, if the girl likes the guy and there's nothing to fault him in their relationship, she shouldn't refuse him so that she can dive deep into sexual sin.
Notice he also said, don't be afraid to say no to a person. This tells us that the person looking for a spouse should have standards that are to be met first. These standards are best based upon the biblical, God fearing/following standards as God is the one who made humans, male and female, to begin with.
I'm nearly certain Wilson would heartily agree with that notion.
@@zachdavenport8509 Let's mitigate that with 1 Cor 7:8. We ought not presume that the default condition is marriage. Preventing fornication, yes, I hear that.
By the way, I'm married -- and better for it -- for almost 37 years.
@@tedshoemaker923 I'm not saying I agree with Wilson, just that he would have no problem with calling marriage the default. He believes that it is a very specific calling to be single and not a colling given to many. I haven't thought through it enough to have a valid opinion on the topic.
He just went full mgtow!
First
SMH
...will be last.
@@johnwurfel2862 haha good one
@@johnwurfel2862 hahahaa!
Make up is not for a godly woman as much as yoga clothes and short and tight clothing. There is a reason God made tunics, not short or tight things for Adam and Eve in Genesis chapter 3.
There is nothing particularly wrong with makeup. There is the kind that either hides flaws/blemishes and accentuates naturally and there is the whore's warpaint look.
I have a different interpretation of God making clothing for them, if you're interested.
God made them, and they were nude when they were created. When they sinned, their eyes were opened, and they realized they were naked. God had told them "The day you eat of it, you will surely die". They were ashamed of themselves, and afraid, so they hid. Then when God found them, he didn't take their lives, as he had said. (Some interpret it as a spiritual death, which may be true, but IMO that's a secondary interpretation if not a bit forced) Instead, God gave them skin made from an animal. He took an animal's life and used it to cover their nakedness.
Thus, I think that Adam and Eve's nakedness is a symbol of their guilt and shame. It represents the state of vulnerability they have when they stand before God. God's gift of animal-skin clothing is a prefiguration of Christ's substitutionary death, and the clothing itself represents his righteousness, which covers our sin.
So I have also come to the opinion that the Adam and Eve story is not useful for discussions of modesty, one way or the other. It isn't talking about clothing at all, rather, clothing is a symbol for the real meaning- God's love, substitutionary atonement, and covering of grace.
I don't think the commenter listened carefully to the video
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Nothing like an elderly straight white man telling young girls how to dress and behave. Truly the way God intended it ❤️
I’m a young Hispanic woman and I will say the same thing to these young girls.
Exactly. What do the elderly know. Also why should he share his opinion just because Darla asked for it? Shut up Doug and let the young, biracial, nonbinary folks tell this young woman how to dress.
As a person of asian ethnicity. Just zip it you privilleged whitey.
Well... it is.
The reason we know God intended it that way is because he has revealed things about Himself in Scripture. The Bible tells both older men and older woman to teach young woman. Our authority isn't Doug Wilson, or any person for that matter. It's God's word. The Bible is the standard. Doug is just expounding on what the Bible teaches.
Christ is King, God bless. :)
@@johnlocke6800 Where are Darla's parents.? Shouldn't she be asking them for advice?
Listening to a boomer talk about gender relations in 2022 🤣🤣🤣
Zoomers who think they are so damn wise. Kek.
Boomers know men can't have babies. When do you plan to have one? Oh wait! When do you plan to become pregnant then have an abortion?
@@WasLostButNowAmFound Nope, Boomers know the difference between right and wrong. We don't always do that which is right. You, however, refuse to acknowledge those things you KNOW to be right.
@@michaelbee2165 uh... you might want to reread my comment, or learn what a zoomer is. Thanks.
@@michaelbee2165 also if you had thumbed up the original comment. You are essentially agreeing that douglas wilson is an old deluded person.