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I'm gonna average 2040 for the opening scene. Seven years to give X-23 her time to age older look aged up and three real time _Logan_ usiverse years in the void.
@@AbitofEverything4U So why did kang prune branches? How would letting them spread cause another multiversal war if the branches are in different universes?
@@Ce0x Very sorry for not seeing your comment until now. That question is tied into how the first multiversal war went down as well as the purpose of the loom, so it's a detailed enough of a question that I'm going to recommend you watch my "History of the Multiverse" video. It is long, but it's broken into chapters to make it easier to watch. It should answer all your questions. Here's the link if you are interested: ruclips.net/video/kS-v8GA4Wzc/видео.html
In the Happy Sad Confused Podcast with Josh Horowitz interviewing Shawn Levy post-Deadpool 3 release, (11 minutes in), Shawn Levy says Kevin Feige gave them the idea of an anchor being and allowed the Deadpool team to play with that idea, but it doesn’t seem like the Deadpool creatives know how that concept will play into the future movies (except Kevin/higher ups, maybe). Deadpool creatives also don’t have a plan for how the Deadpool/Thor scene will pay off and that it’s something for the future creatives to figure out. I know Marvel creatives have always said that they don’t think too far ahead, in terms of set-up and that they’re really focused on their individual projects and just honoring the continuity that came before. It’s still fascinating to me how little set-up they make for themselves and they really do genuinely try to take it a project at a time, which I think is an interesting aspect of the MCU-definitely must be a fun/ creative challenge they make for themselves.
Liam in wades dream confirms that in another multiverse wade had taken Liam's daughter. I will continue to confirm any dream connections made going forward from multiverse of madness lol
12:35 were all confused by him traversing Universes but hey, like you said before, he jumped into our universe to kill Ryan Reynolds before making green lantern. NegaSonic must’ve tweaked it
I just rewatched the Deadpool movies, and then as soon as I finished rewatching your “Exploring the full X-Men timeline” video, I see that you uploaded this one! It’s like you read my mind! Thanks again for always being ontop of it with the great MCU content! I love your theory of how the universe was rewritten!
I'm 68 , I went to see Dead Pool for the first time today because that was the only movie I hadn't seen out of 7 other movies I'd seen. I knew nothing about DP!!! When I left I couldn't tell you what the. I just watched!!! Alot of well known actors/actresses.Thankyou for the best summary anybody could have given But I will leave DP to what ever generation is following DP. I am still as confused as I was when I went in ,watched left and listened to the summary.!!!!.
Thank you so much for sharing your feedback on the movie. It was very interesting to hear how someone reacted to the movie that had never seen any of the other Deadpool movies. I do suspect it was hard to follow a lot of the plot since it contains a lot of inside jokes about earlier movies. I do think there were a good number of jokes that didn’t require any previous knowledge, but yeah, I suspect you were pretty confused by a lot of what happened. And sadly, even my movie breakdown was probably confusing because I was assuming people had some general knowledge of the earlier movies. My apologies on that. If I were to summarize the movie without trying to tie it into the earlier movies, I would simply say that the universe that Deadpool lives in is being shut down, which is commentary on the fact that the fox movie studio was bought by Disney and is being shut down. So now Deadpool is being given a chance to go over to the company that bought Fox, i.e. Disney. However, Deadpool instead wants to try to save his universe by finding the one character that everybody loved so much (I.e. Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine), and Deadpool thinks this will keep his universe alive. The TVA organization is basically like a commentary on the head of Disney Studios trying to save the one good character from the old Fox company and bring him over to Disney before wiping out the old movies. And then during the movie we see a lot of other characters from the old Fox movies as a way of honoring the legacy of everything that came before. That’s probably the simplest way I could explain the movie. Hope that helps. Thank you so much for watching the video and leaving your feedback!
Thanks! Yeah, it's so much fun to try to put everything in a linear order and to do forensic research on a movie to find any timeline hints in there. Really appreciate the kind words and positive feedback!
I don't have any notes but this was a great video man, keep it up. I would maybe either like an animated short or a tie in comic detailing what maybe Cable and Domino might be up to.
lol! Yeah, it was very hard to navigate that first movie. Why did some of the key timeline clues have to be during THAT scene. Oooof! Sorry for ruining your lunch!
“We will not touch what happens in Logan, Logan died in Logan” Proceeds to completely erase it from existence and bring both Laura and replacement Logan into the main X-timeline. Wow. You could not screw that up worse if you tried.
Lol! Yeah… I guess they could argue that they didn’t touch Logan in that regard that the movie didn’t change, per se… they just ended up wiping it from existence. 😆 That said, when the Multiverse finally collapses during secret wars, I guess Logan was going to be gone at that point anyway. So maybe they’re just cleaning up the X-Men timeline in advance. In that regard, we can all thank them for making the timeline much simpler!
Im really glad i found this channel, i was really struggling figuring out how the Multiverse worked because it was never really explained and i was feeling overwhelmed because we had a multiversal war with kang going on and incursions occuring outside of the mcu, it kinda felt like 2 Multiversal wars going on at the same time. Im the kinda guy that has to understand something and know how it works for me to enjoy it because ill be asking myself all soughts of questions. I watched your video that you made a few months ago about "everything we know about he Multiverse" and it felt like a weight lifted off my shoulders, when a certain Multiversal scene appears i know how impactful that scene is. I really resonate with your idea of how the multiverse works, but i also get annoyed when something that i thought made sense doesnt anymore, like how is deadpool able to travel to another universe with a device that time travels. I just watched your spoiler video on deadpool n wolverine and saw you talking about the infinity stones and how they shouldnt work because theyre not in they're home world, but i thought you established that they can be used in other universes as show in what if by ultorn, they're similar enough to be used in other universes but have a slight diffrence that they cant be crushed by the infinity stone crusher, you said something along the lines of that.
Thanks so much for your kind feedback on the channel. I'm exactly like you. I want things to make sense and when I get confused, I try to lay everything out and find a way to put it all together. So that's great that you also feel that way! So, you asked about the infinity stones and the sling ring. You are correct, I do feel you can use the stones in a universe that is branches from yours, which is why the stones worked in Endgame across branches and why Infinity Ultron could use them across branches. What threw me off was the idea of them working in the void. It seems there is only one void across the multiverse, so I assumed the stones would do nothing in the void. But it could be that the void is such that any set of stones work there and that might be why the TVA normally collected them before pruning someone. I really hope that when Dr. Strange enters the stage again in Avengers 5 that we learn more about the sling ring and the void. It's possible that the sling ring works in the void without infinity stones at all, and thus those were just decorative stones that we saw in Deadpool & Wolverine and not real infinity stones. Or maybe the sling ring does need stones to take you to the void. We really need more info on that to know for sure. I hope that hopes. Really appreciate all your awesome feedback. Thanks again!!
“And we will all continue to enjoy the ever growing, ever changing, marvel cinematic universe” I say it with you every time! It’s so iconic and gives me chills
That's so cool of you to say that. Yeah, I really do love the MCU and I hope it shows in the vids. Thanks for watching and leaving your thoughts. I truly do appreciate it!
I just rewatched this and there is a "Blink and you'll miss it" line that Paradox says about needing 72 hours to bring the Time Ripper online. And since the Time Ripper is in Earth-10005, that would be 72 hours on that Earth not in the TVA where Time is meaningless.
That’s a pretty good theory about the Happy Hogan scene happening before he saved X-Force. Maybe he saved Vanessa, then decided to go and try to join the avengers. Then if he would have gotten in, maybe he would bring Vanessa (and maybe the others not dead) back to 616 with him if he got the avengers position. When that failed, he though to go back to save X-Force, and the other stuff as well.
Yeah, it definitely seems like that's a possibility. It seems that after bringing Vanessa back, things started to go poorly between them, based on her joking that her new boyfriend hasn't gotten her shot yet during the DP&W movie. So that could have led to him then trying to join the Avengers, before finally bringing back X-Force. Certainly interesting to consider. Thanks for your feedback!
I've heard some people say Wade's birthday is November 22, but I can't find that anywhere in the comics. Do you know which comic said his birthday is November 22? Thanks for the help on that!
Yeah, I just can’t figure out where they got that November date. That’s why I’m going with October because that’s Ryan‘s birthday and it just makes sense that he would want Deadpool’s birthday to be the same in the MCU.
When I first saw the movie I thought that Wade's joke "6 years ago you'd all be dead" was referring to how he would've killed everyone after getting surprised walking to his home like that, in his "old life" before hanging up the suit and now working as a car salesman. But that's right, they literally would've been dead if he didn't bring them back with Cable's device.
12:32 Cables device can cross universes because they’ve conflated alternate timelines with alternate universes In addition, I think with Cable. He was the time travel constant. So when the bear changed for him it changed his individual future as he had created a new branch. Same for Wolverine’s time travel. Unless each time they changed the past its the TVA just deleting the branches
Right! I agree with you 100%. Cable was the time travel constant, so he wasn't using it to jump between universes, such as 10005 to 616. He was essentially "sliding" through his own timeline. However, I just chalk it up to Deadpool doing what Deadpool wants in regards to how he got to 616. Similar to how She-Hulk could exit the D+ home page to confront K.E.V.I.N., it seems 4th wall breakers can do some crazy stuff!
@@AbitofEverything4U yeah the rules are just different for the 4th wall breaker. Zack Morris has the ability to stop time on Saved by the Bell lol. When you think about it, we either have to view it as a narrative device or as a super power.
Dead pool 1 & 2 have a huge difference in vibe from the marvel funded dead pool 3, this isn’t a diss but just noticing the big difference in the whole feeling the first two had a Grungy badass feel while dead pool 3 has a more cinematic adventurous feel which I love both but really is a huge difference between them.
That's a good point. Yeah, there is a different feel in the regard of grunge vs. polished, as you noted. But I'm glad that the humor (funny and raunchy), the violence (over the top), an the action (amazingly choreographed!) still managed to shine through. Those were the core elements I enjoyed about the first two movies that I think carried forward very nicely.
25:18 Do you have any thoughts on The Phoenix creating Universe 10005 from Dark Phoenix? Your model is partly based on the Infinity Stones being creating during the big bang and them creating follow of time. Each Universe having there own Infinity Stones. We learn in GotG that Death, Entropy, Infinity, and Eternity created the Infinity Stones in Universe 616 and that the Celestials helped forge the Universe. However, if the Phoenix created the Fox Universe does that mean no Infinity Stones in that Universe. Hmmm....
People might say the story is thin but the writing in many scenes is quite brilliant . “Wade you can finally , finally MATTER” meanwhile Deadpool and Wolverine are legit fighting both matter and anti-matter . Like come on . I love that literary technique in movies.
Yeah, I think you said it well. The story is light in many places, but it's still filled with so much meaning and heart at the same time. Truly an awesome movie!
I believe that by the end of Deadpool and Wolverine, the timeline was not just recreated, but actually completely rewritten, with Wolverine and X-23 effectively replacing the original Logan and Laura, along with some other changes like, as you mentioned, making Beast (and maybe others) more comic accurate. Also that theory about Wolverine's distaste for the Avengers sparking a conflict between them and the X-Men is great!
Your videos are always such a treat. I would be very interested in your opinion on a rewatch order that contains the mcu, fox verse, the Sony spiderverse and all of the other marvel movies starting with Blade in 98.
I think you could make a video about how time travel works in the mcu because everytime we see someone time travel it looks like it works differently and only some people are allowed to.
The quantum realm seems to be part of universes, in the final of Loki season 2, mobius called it "616 adjacent realm", wouldn't that imply that quantum realms are native to each universe but might still be a sort of underground train station for multiverse travel?
Great question! So according to Jeff Loveness, who wrote Quantumania, the Quantum Realm (QR) is the "basement of the multiverse". So he implied that there was one QR for all the multiverse. Loki Season 2's Mobius quote is definitely confusing at first, but since the QR is adjacent to all universes, including being adjacent to 616, then I think that's why I think he said that. From Mobius' perspective it was indeed adjacent to 616. Anyway, that's just my understanding based upon Loveness' quote. I'd love for Marvel to come out with a book going into how all of their universes, realms, dimensions, etc are all tied together. That would be so amazing!
I love that! I wondered if perhaps it was footage we'd already seen from the movie or if it was new footage, but either way, we need to start the #GambitLives movement!
Would love for Shawn Levy to be able to make the Deadpool & Spider-Man movie he want to make! Especially with how good Deadpool & Wolverine is doing. Would be a dream! Really want to see them interact
If it takes the same amount of time for this movie to end up on Disney+ as it has for some of the more recent MCU movies, it will be one heck of a birthday for Ryan Reynolds.
Logan and Laura being there at the end does not mean that they are the Logan and Laura of 10005, or even that they are staying in that universe. They could be "Agents of the TVA" and are just visiting. And given the small moments that might create a nexus event (missing the bus?), we can't say with certainty that any of the people we saw were exactly the folks we saw in previous movies. I also believe that Deadpool is the new anchor for 10005. Ryan Reynolds is the reason why the Fox-verse got this love letter created. He is arguably more important than Hugh Jackman at this point.
Great feedback! I agree, we don't know exactly what happened at the end of the movie. But my guess is Feige wants to pay off that Marvels post credit and the easiest way to do that is to make it be happening in the same 10005 universe. And if that's the case, then I suspect they don't want people asking about two Wolverines. So I just love the idea of them recreating the universe. And the fact that Deadpool said that Logan is the new anchor, it seems they are going that direction, versus making Deadpool the anchor. But all just theories on my part. We'll have to wait and see what Feige has cookin' for us. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!
Personally, for me the end of the movie means that the entire X-Men universe goes back to how it was before Cassandra almost exterminated it. One of the reasons I think this is because of the Logan movie itself. Since Deadpool 3 was officially announced everyone involved was very insistent that this movie was not going to undo or erase or touch the Logan movie in any way. In fact, in the announcement video that you discuss with Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman, Ryan Reynolds highlights that Logan takes place very far in the future when he mentions 2029. And Logan as a film cannot exist without the others because it is built around The Wolverine , X-Men 3 etc. The other reason I think everything went back to the way it was is the terminology used. B-15 doesn't talk about "recreate" or "reboot," it talks about "regenerate." For me, "regenerate" is simply to heal something, to return it to its previous state. For me, regenerating something does not necessarily imply changes. I think the reason we only see one timeline in the tempad in that scene is because Deadpool's universe is just beginning to regenerate and they aren't visible on screen yet, if anyone wants to put it that way.
Great feedback! Let me first discuss what I believe will be the ultimate fate of the X-Verse in general (and ofc Logan by virtue of it being in the X-Verse). One of the bummers of the multiverse saga is that when it ends, every universe but one will be gone. The X-Verse, Tobey and Andrew's universes, 838, the Fantastic Four, Blade, Elektra, etc. So, one way or another they will all end, and we'll have a single universe going forward. So, with that in mind, I suspect that Ryan and Hugh were fine with putting the old version of the X-Verse to rest (including the Logan film) and creating a new one that lets the Wolverine in the film be the new "anchor". It allows that universe to get one last hurrah with the characters in comic accurate outfits for a final fight versus 616. Granted, all of this is my theory, but I think it works out really well. But we'll have to see what direction Feige decides to go from here. Thus, you could be right in your theory and I could be totally wrong. Really appreciate your feedback. Thanks so much!!!
@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah! The beauty of this is putting our thoughts in common. While I believe they put the X-Verse back to the way it was, at the same time I agree with you that the multiverse saga is meant to reboot the multiverse with a single universe, a new MCU, and several recasts.
The universe being destroyed down to 1% and then gets rebuilt, makes sense. It explains how all the different versions of characters can exist while not creating conflicts.
So basically Marvel gets another chance to make the Dark Phoenix saga. 😂 You know what they say, 3rd time is the charm. Just have Simon Kinberg stay away. He had his chance, twice!
It confuses me on their only being one TVA, they have the power to watch a never ending amount of universes and every single branch within that universe aswell, they must have alot of people on payroll.
ikr. Honestly, the idea that there are infinite branches that they ware watching (whether they are all in one tree or across many trees) definitely hurts my brain. But, it seems He Who Remains had some very powerful tech that was able to look at all of the probabilities coming from each new branch of the sacred timeline so that he knew what to prune. And now the TVA has expanded that tech to look at all the branches from all the universes across the multiverse to make sure any new Kangs that pop-up are taken care of. Wild stuff!
After seeing Wolverine and Gambit in DP&W, along with Beast's design in The Marvels, I really want all of the X-Men to wear comic accurate suits when they finally show up in the MCU.
Since an area of the void was called "The Borderlands", I wonder what the actual border is like. Is it an ocean, an empty void of space, an area where Alioth doesn't usually visit, hence the vegetation, or maybe just outside of Casandras reign. Either way, different sections of the void and its different areas would be cool to visit. So far, we have the Mad Max wasteland, the borderlands forests, a giant desert, and the grasslands/ destroyed NYC from Loki.
Great points! Yeah, they are definitely setting up the void to be used for Battleworld. We learned alot about it from Loki and DP&W and we'll be learning more soon, I suspect!
First of all, watched the movie last week with my dad and it was so fun. Also, I think the Deadpool + Thor future is something that we could see in Secret Wars. Thoughts?
Good question...it seems that Logan is in the same timeline as Deadpool's timeline, so that would mean Logan had to happen after DP 2. In a way, that makes sense, as things seemed to be going downhill for the world after Logan and so Cable's dark future makes sense in that regard. However, I do think that at the conclusion of DP&W that they re-wrote the universe and therefore Logan as well as Cable's dark future might therefore have never happened in the new timeline.
I'm going to throw out something that potentially cleans up your X-Men timeline. X-Men Origins Wolverine is the backstory of the Wolverine we get in Deadpool and Wolverine, not the Wolverine we see in the other X-Men movies. When Cassandra gets into Wolverine's head, notice that all of the shots that are shown for his history are from X-Men Origins. This makes sense for several reasons. First, the obvious of it fixes ALL of the timeline inconsistencies between that film and all the other X-Men films. They can't be inconsistencies if they aren't even on the same timeline. Second, we know that Wade uses Cable's device to jump between universes within the Multiverse, so what's to say what we saw in the Deadpool 2 mid credits scene wasn't exactly that. It would also make sense of the fact that we have a completely different Wade Wilson in that movie which this Deadpool kills and quips that he's "just cleaning up the timelines." And if you're looking at the extended cut of Deadpool 2, the fact that he tells that Logan that someday his old pal Wade will ask him to come back makes that moment so much more satisfying if that's the same Logan he ends up recruiting in Deadpool and Wolverine. Finally, jokes are made about this new Wolverine being the worst one, which could be a subtle nod to the idea that this Wolverine's backstory is the one presented in the worst Wolverine movie, X-Men Origins Wolverine.
Oh wow… What an interesting theory! That would be so funny if they took X-Men Origins Wolverine out of the main timeline and pulled it into this wolverines timeline instead. At first I had assumed that they were just saying that there was a Nexus event around the time of the wolverine origins movie and that’s where this variant’s branch started. But you have a very cool theory. I love it!
I just realized... If logans death sent shivers down the timeline, why would it do it now? Why not the beginning of the universe? Or during the events of the first x men movie? Or any event in that case?
Yeah, those are good questions. So, I am beginning to think that anchor beings are more of meta concept for this movie. In my spoiler review I discuss how the concept is perhaps a joke about movie studios that lose their main actor or actress but keep trying to pump out movies and they get worse and worse until the franchise dies. If that's the case, then it could be more of a joke than a true concept where Logan's death killed the universe. But that said, if we assume for the minute that the concept is legit, then they are saying it wasn't until Logan died in 2029 in the timeline that it created shivers that destroyed everything in the past and the present from that point. I really do hope Marvel explains this abit more if they bring up the anchor concept in the future.
Hey I have an idea for an video since you mention the movie “ Taken”. It may be an weird one though. But what real life movies/ shows has been mentioned in the MCU? Like how “ Back to Future” or “ Taken” or the even the shows mentioned in WandaVision. Or maybe on Cap’s list and so on. I haven’t seen any one do an video on that yet. But it’s just an idea. And thanks for the video.
Yeah, I agree, I think that would be a fun idea. Would be a massive amount of research, but I think it would be so much fun to see all the movies and shows that have ever been mentioned all collected into one place.
Good question...I've toyed with a few different ideas. One is that Cable's device doesn't use the quantum realm so it is therefore able to do the Back to the Future logic instead of branching. Another idea is that the time stone for 10005 works differently and that Back to the Future logic is the way time travel works in their universe. And another is that it really created "retroactive" branches, meaning the current timeline was changed, but it also created a branch that didn't have the change happen in it. So basically the main timeline was changed but a branch still exists where the changes didn't happen. Those are the best ideas I can come up with.
Yeah, it’s pretty stacked in 2024. I mean the good news is it’s in Deadpool’s 10005 universe versus of the main 616 … but still, there’s a lot going on in late 2024. Crazy!
So, we don't know the answer on that for sure, but my guess is that Elektra and Blade were from different universes (i.e not 10005) and were sent back to those universes. Gambit is a total mystery since he joked about being born in the void. So I wonder where he ended up!
@@AbitofEverything4U it’d be cool if they just put them in the revisioned 10005 timeline theory you had where it effectly rewrote history so TVA can easily place Elektra, Blade & Gambit in
@@AbitofEverything4U the Mahershala film is aggravating me and it isn’t even in production yet lmao. They need to get it together so Wesley & Mahershala’s can meet
Okay, here me out, does 2020 work better for Deadpool 1? If the Year of the Dog in 2018 isn't proof enough then the Dec 2020 expiration date in Deadpool 2 could be. Which could just mean he has an expired box of cereal from 2020 and the year is currently 2021 in Deadpool 2, ending the movie in 2022. That would make Deadpool and Wolverine take place in 2028 making it a lot closer to the Logan movie timeline and the events happening nearer to each other with the Timeline being erased and then possibly regenerated. Also remember that the current year in one universe may not be the same in another as the Spider-verse movies seem to hint at. So could the flashback in Deadpool and Wolverine take place in 2018 on the "Sacred Timeline" but Deadpool came from 2022 in HIS timeline? Interesting theory if I may say so... 🤔
It is certainly interesting how both DP and DP 2 gave hints that things are happening later in the timeline. I agree, your theories are definitely ones we considered on the Discord. In the end, I think Feige will go with the simpler solution of making DP&W 2024, but I also think everything you said makes total sense. Wild stuff!
Question: Where was Russell in Deadpool and Wolverine? That's my only true complaint with the movie, he seemed like an important person for Wade and not having him present with the rest of the cast feels really weird.
I think one of the new wolverine hidden secrets was he kil led some members of the avengers. I feel like his secret the whole movie was missing something. He let his friends down and they passed... He went on a rampage and ended innocent lives. If there are avengers in that universe they probably tried to stop him. Even though the bar owner hated him for some reason he didn't call the cops. The cops couldn't stop him and arrest him or k i l l him either. And this wolverine was much stronger than the original based on how fast he beat sabertooth. Our wolverine fought him at least what maybe 5 times if we count each scene? So one strike with this version vs two movies with the original. He leveled up and i think that may be his secret he was hiding that he didn't even want his daughter to know.
Great theories about Wolverine's secret and about the Avengers. I agree, there may well be more to the story that we'll learn if we get an Avengers vs. X-Men fight. Can't wait!
Great question! I don't think we know. My guess is the future of 10005 is undetermined at this point, since the universe was recreated. I think we'll even see the X-Men in comic accurate uniforms going forward. Hope we do get the Avengers vs. X-Men fight!
@@AbitofEverything4U Josh Brolin back in the MCU basically. Which makes me wonder if RDJ is doing the Demon in Armor What If story or RDJ is flat out playing Doctor Doom
Yeah, I heard rumors Mobius was going to appear at one point, but since we never officially heard it from Marvel, it could’ve just been something that came up during a brainstorming session, but wasn’t really gonna happen. Or, when they wanted Paradox to be going rogue, like he did in the movie, then they knew it wouldn’t make sense for Mobius to do that because it wouldn’t be his personality. But I do agree, it was a bummer not to see Mobius again, so I hope he appears at some point during the Multiverse saga.
Could be...I'd be fine if it was just a throw-a-way line, but it just seemed like it might be hinting at something to come. We'll have to wait and see!
Just checking back to see if you noticed you won the prize for August and if you are interested in it. You certainly deserve it for all your great comments!
@@realjohnlove Yep, if I don't hear back, I try to reach out to see if you might not have seen the video where it was announced. FYI, it was the West Coast Avengers. As for reaching out, you can contact me via email (abitofeverythingforu@gmail.com) or Discord (joof9735) and I'll get you your prize.
Can you do a video talking about why fox X-Men movie characters like collusus looks different in X-Men 2 and last stand than he does in Deadpool 1 2 and 3
Great question...Yeah, I always wondered about that. I suspect it's that since the earlier actor only had 1 or 2 lines and didn't do alot in the movies (which is a bummer, since Colossus so darn cool!) that when Deadpool came out they decided to cast a different actor. But I do assume it that it is meant to be the same character, similar to how Rhodey was changed between Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 2 and how Bruce was changed between Incredible Hulk and Avengers.
I like your theory about the xmen universe being rewritten in 10005. That being said, it sucks to think the original xmen universe won’t get cameos moving forward with their original characters. They would have to be reborn like Beast
Yeah, it will be interesting to see what they do. I mean, they can still use the original actors, but they would likely more comic accurate different costumes. But that's just a guess on my part. Can't wait to see what happens!
@@AbitofEverything4U something tells me it was Wade who was blipped, Vanessa going thru the stages of grief already giving up and when he came back it would explain why they’re disconnected from each other in this movie and why she isn’t impressed by his shtick anymore and why they never had that kid, if Wade didn’t get snapped they’d have definitely had that kid, also he said he hadn’t seen them in a long time, it could retroactively explain the whereabouts of fire fist, cable and domino too
I’m having a bit of trouble placing it on my timeline.. We know D&W takes place after Loki S2, which Marvel places it after The Marvels. So D&W, on a list, has to go after both The Marvels (in 2026) and Loki S2. But at the same time, the movie timeline happens concurrently with the MCU timeline, which would be in October 2024. Loki being outside of time kind of messes up the list a bit.. but doesn’t that also mess up your concept that the TVA's timeline also goes with the MCU timeline? So the loom isn’t broken from 2023-2026 because we see the 616 Multiverse is already a tree by 2024. Would like to hear your thoughts. "These timelines are so confusing.."
Loki is outside of time, so there is no "before" or "after". Or at least, from Wolverine's perspective* Deadpool 2 comes before Loki, but from the TVA's perspective it comes after. *I initially wrote Deadpool, but because he's a fourth-wall breaker, either the paradox actually makes perfect sense to him or he just ignores it.
Yeah, what's the most confusing is tying the movie directly to the MCU timeline. It happens after Loki Season 2, so that seems to place it after The Marvels in 2026, but from Deadpool's standpoint, his universe's timeline is at 2024. The best explanation I can give is that it's the same thing we see in the Spider-Verse movies, where Noir's "present day" is 1933, Penni and Miguel's "present day" is in the far future, and Miles' "present day" is in the early 2020's. It's weird, but I think that's why the movie happens in 2024 for Wade but after The Marvels in 2026 from an MCU standpoint. It could ultimately be due to Paradox pulling Wade out of 2024 in his timeline even though from the MCU's standpoint, it is after 2026. Really hurts my head.
@@AbitofEverything4U which is even messier because just like you mentioned in the video, we see that 10005 and 616 are synchronized in the same year. Wade is in his universe's 2018 and goes to the MCU's 2018. Even messier when we consider The Marvels post-credit scene likely takes place after the events of D&P(If it even is 10005).
So based on everything my belief now to those who want to do a marvel multiverse is pick best order to watch. and my advice is watch pure mcu-Loki season 1 and then watch the ones we know for now are canon to multivese before returning mcu with wanda Vision and occasily go to sony's films if you want till you get to the marvels.then logan loki season 2 which for now stablizes the tre and then deadpool and wolverine and what if season 2. i feel a avengers vs X-Men is coming in doomsday before battleworld created or in secret wars before they all gather against doom. i won't even try to predict how they are doing downey as doom.
@@AbitofEverything4U i feel right now ff is only 2025 project that is esential for doomsday and secret wars. it will be intresting if untilled mcu films for 2026 both before after doomsday and spider-man whatever and third doctor strange. i told other if i had my way they would bring wanda back as earth 1005 version of scarlet witch who is mutant and daughter of magneto before god awful retcon and still played by elizabeth Olsen.while we may never get answer i theorize quicksilver killed in void is earth 10005 quicksilver the real one played by evan peters not the fakeout lol
If the Spider-Verse movies are any indication, not to mention the branching timelines in Loki, universes can take place at different points in time while there are concurrent multiversal events, and I wonder if Monica actually goes to the 10005 universe where it's 2024 and not 2026, or even perhaps further into the future because when we finally pick up with her story, it will likely be a couple years from now, so no time passes for her, but it does for everyone else in 616. Who's to say that the 838 universe wasn't actually much further into the future given the technological advancements. Also supposedly Fantastic Four is really going to be in the 60s and not a future stylized off predictions from the 60s. It boggles the mind. But I think the main thing I really want to point out here is that I don't trust seeing the date in 616 and then applying 6 more years for the story of 10005. The reason being that despite being in another universe, that means that Deadpool & Wolverine happens before one of the biggest gags of the movie, which is making fun of how nothing's been working in the MCU since Endgame, and half the stories that technically happen before this one, haven't happened yet, even though Wade knows things he shouldn't as a 4th Wall Breaker. So imagine watching this movie chronologically before having seen Loki Season 2 to make more sense of B-15's role, and then also not having seen Multiverse of Madness, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Love and Thunder, Quantumania, Secret Invasion, The Marvels, and What If...? Season 2, which have generally been some of the most criticized entries in the MCU. So yes, it has been 6 years for him from that meeting, and it's likely also 6 years from Deadpool 2, but it's not 6 years from Sacred Timeline, it's at least 8 if not more because we jumped ahead 5 years, and instead of doing something sensible and just letting real time catch up with the fake one in the movies, we keep pushing things further out. I don't know, maybe it is 2030 in 10005, and maybe Logan did die, but it was some other way than in Logan, and that's why the kid is awestruck to see that it's Wolverine. I hate the Fox-Men timelines, even if Deadpool and Wolverine did create a whole new one.
Excellent feedback. I totally agree that universes can have different present days and your Spider-Verse example is spot on! I do, however, think Wade went to 616 in 2018 and that it was relative to his 10005 universe being in 2018 for the simple reason that Feige likes to make things as easy to follow as possible. And especially with the multiverse saga being more than a little confusing, I think he tries to simplify things as much as he can. But I also agree that it's okay to watch DP&W after The Marvels and Loki S2. From an MCU timeline standpoint, DP&W is happening after Loki S2, and so I think that watching it in the correct order is fine, even if it showing events in 2024 in the 10005 universe. The way I rationalize it is that Paradox yanked Wade from 2024 in his timeline. So it's abit weird, but since the TVA can jump all over the timeline, they just decided to grab him at that point in his universe. Crazy stuff!
Where would Deadpool & Wolverine go in the 616 timeline? I was thinking after Loki or What If…? due to the multiverse aspect but maybe after The Marvels judging by release date
Yeah, I agree...I'm betting it shows up on the season by season breakdown after What If season 2. But on the timeline on D+ (which isn't yet broken by season...grrrrr!) I bet it will be after The Marvels.
20:32 Okay I missed this detail. So I’m assuming it effectively erased Logan or crafted a different branched reality where this new Wolverine replaced the dead Wolverine. But in theory, that Wolverine is also still walking around alive right?
So my guess is that Cassandra wiped out the universe down to 1% and when DP & W recreated the universe, it made the movie's Logan be the new Wolverine (and thus the only Wolverine) and so he is now the new anchor being. So I think we have a reset of the 10005 universe with a new future ahead.
@@AbitofEverything4U I was thinking that he replaced him just by being there and it created a new future to be played out. Also we still dont know if the Westchester Incident is gonna happen or not
@@AbitofEverything4U one more thing i just randomly thought of because I watched Deadpool and Wolverine again, and am in the process of finishing infinity war and end game again. Do you think we’ll see the Captain America that ours ran into going back in time again? And what changes would have happened to Cap and that timeline with him knowing about Bucky being alive so early.
I really do hope they explain how things went down when Cap went into the past. I'm still of the belief that it created a new branch and I really want to know what happened in that new branch and then how he returned to the main MCU again!
Wondering what your take is on Wolverine being denied the opportunity to go back to his universe with all the X-Men being restored. The TVA say they WONT do this I’m not sure if they said that they CANT do it though. Maybe make a video on whether or not the rules have been established for or against the possibility?
Good question...so my guess is that the entire 10005 universe was "rebooted" due to DP and Wolverine recreating it after Cassandra destroyed it down to 1%. So I think there was no other universe for him to go back to and he is now the Wolverine of the main timeline.
The recreation theory makes sense, though I'm not necessarily sold on Logan being reformatted into New Logan. You could have two Logans bouncing around, the comics have done much crazier. As for Laura/X-23, she was brought in after the Time Ripper blew, so if they did recreate the universe, she wouldn't necessarily be a part of that process. Also, I haven't seen this question posed anywhere yet, but does Dogpool potentially cause an incursion? I guess not if she's just part of a 10005 branch, but I figured I'd bring up that question.
Excellent feedback. Yeah, there are lots of ways they can go with the newly recreated 10005. Hopefully we'll get more clarity on Logan and X-23 the next time they appear. And I think you are right in your guess that Dogpool won't create an incursion as she seems to be from a 10005 branch.
Well this is not the video I expected, very curious to see this breakdown though. Ergh ... and then the headache of metaphysics! I do think you're right about the fact Logan effectively doesn't happen now. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the thing that lead to the unaliving of most Mutants never happens maybe because of Deadpool? I love how this explains The Marvels post credit scene. I always took that F the Avengers line as just a general statement and not because he knew them. Still as always, great video.
I think we can agree he would jump Mar 2018 to the MCU, but didn't we realize in a Spiderverse video that different universes can go on different timescales or something? Or is that not an MCU thing?
Great point! Yes, I definitely agree that the 616 and 10005 universes can be on different "present days" and it may turn out that's the case down the line, just like it is in the Spider-Verse movies. But I do admit that I like the simplicity of Deadpool jumping from 2018 in one universe to 2018 in the other. It just seems like Feige would want to keep things simple like that.
Good question! I think that 10005 is a separate "tree" from Loki's tree. So that means that Deadpool, Dogpool, Wolverine and X-23 are not yet in the MCU but are in the Fox universe which was rebuilt by Deadpool and Wolverine. If you are interested, I go into that in more detail in my video on how DP&W impacts the greater multiverse: ruclips.net/video/jsz_Ziyyv0E/видео.html. Really appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Thanks so much!
I just want to point out that you incorrectly referred to X-Force as "X-Factor" while talking about Wade's interview with Happy. As far as I know, Deadpool has no association with X-Factor.
Oh my! Now that's really lame of me. I'm glad I called them X-Force earlier, but yeah, I definitely meant to say X-Force when he was interviewing with Happy. Great catch!
Finally, just to make sure I understand correctly, Deadpool and Wolverine takes place in 10005's 2024, but also in the void, and definitely after Loki Season 2 because of a few things said (so some time after November 2026 in MCU 616). But how much time has really passed? I'm really hoping What If...? Season 3 can give us some more guidance on that. Something before The Fantastic Four, please, tell us how far after The Marvels Loki Season 2 is, and please tell us just how far after Loki Season 2 Deadpool and Wolverine is.
Preach it! I'd love more info on everything you said. I think it all fits together nicely, but it would still be good to get more confirmation in a future entry.
@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah, since watching your timeline videos and getting the Timeline book for Christmas, I've become a lot more invested in placing things on the timeline, and am getting worried we may not be able to do the full calculations for Agatha, Captain America BNW, or anything after until we know some of this info, because it really helps for placing stuff after this. Because all we know is this is after What If Season 2
Right...I'll be interested to see where all of the new shows and movies start popping up on D+ timeline. For now, it's the best indicator we have to go off, and hopefully things will become more clear soon!
Deadpool begin set in 2014 is very tricky because of the Helicarrier fight scene. As I cannot see the U.S. Department of Defence, dumping such a valuable piece of military equipment for anybody to use as their villainous hideout. Damaged Helicarrier 2012, Avengers Assemble and 3 Damaged Helicarrier's 2014, Captain America the Winter Solider. Therefore the most likely date for the setting of Deadpool is 2018 to 2020 As these are the only years that connects all of the references in the Deadpool movie's.
Great feedback! So, my guess is that the events of the main MCU don't have to align with the events of Deadpool's 10005 universe, so the helicarrier events in Avengers and winter solider probably don't have to factor into Deadpool's timeline. My biggest hesitation with shifting the DP movies forward is that if we put DP 1 in 2020 (with it starting in 2018 for the flashback), it puts DP 2 in at least 2021 to get to their next anniversary and that puts DP&W in 2027, six years later. None of that is impossible, but just seems like it could be an odd choice for them to go that direction. It means Wade traveled from 2021 in DP 2 to 2018 in the sacred timeline. Again, not impossible, but just kinda weird. But all that said, they never do lock things down very tight on the specific years of the movies, so I think there is certainly a chance the years could shift later, as you suggest. Thanks for the excellent feedback. Really appreciate it!
@@AbitofEverything4U Thanks for replying. It's always wonderful reading your thoughts on the comments and suggestive theories I make. If I have thrown a spanner in the works then, we keep going as a collective, discussing our ideas and theories. Because one of these days, we will nail down the X-Men and Deadpool Timelines perfectly. Why 2018 to 2020 for Deadpool and Deadpool 2... The Box of Cornflakes. 3 months to consume once they are open and, 6 to 12 months after the expiry date if unopen So, the Box of Cornflakes could only have been produced in late 2018 or early 2019. Yes, it's may be just a visual prop but it's significance is the date it recorded 12 - 28 - 20. That is the expiry or use by date 28th December 2020. Yes it's crazy, I know.! But why that Box of Cornflakes with that date.? That's a millisecond on screen and you don't even notice it. Like dates on newspaper or calendars on a wall. Your brilliant observations did notice it and, brought it to our attention. You may be dismissing the perfect clue yourself for the exact year date and time which fits exactly the Chinese Year of the Dog 2018. The next Years of the Dog is 2030 which would link Wolverine dying in Logan, which is 2029. 2014 is the year of the Chinese Year of the Horse. Always a pleasure watching your videos. Please keep up the fantastic work you do. 😎👍
Fantastic comments. So all of your theories for a later placement could be right and I'm down for whatever Feige lands on. But it just seems so odd to me that the Deadpool movies would release in 2016, 2018 and 2024 respectively but be placed in 2020, 2022 and 2028. But again, I'm down for whatever the official answer is. Maybe one day they will produce a timeline book for the X-Verse. I'll buy it up in a second, if so!
@@AbitofEverything4U It's just a theory but, it's based on all of the evidence you are presenting to all of us. 2018 to 2024 that's 6 years of the Deadpool Timeline. I completely agree that once a new timeline book is published then we will have clarity but until then, we search for clues and openly discuss them. A HUGE THANK YOU.
Assuming that its 100% the same x-23 i wonder if wolverine wasn't meant to die by saving x-23 which lead to the universe being killed off slowly. The TVA has to understand that anchor beings have to die within their universe at some point (like old age) and with wolverine dying not the way he was intended lead to the universe dying and x-23 having to be prune because she wasn't meant to live that long (i hope all this mad sense, im just theorizing lol)
I'm okay either way on that idea, but the reason I think Feige will go that direction is it pays off that Marvels post credit scene rather than creating yet another X-Men universe.
@@AbitofEverything4U Deadpool & Wolverine did show a lot of universes where the mutants exist. I expect the “Cavillrine” to return in Secret Wars, we saw Hulk vs Wolverine, we saw comic accurate Old Man Logan, short comic accurate Logan, we saw so many X-Men universes. So just making the one Monica is stuck in would just be on the pile However it might be easier to have Monica on the same Earth as Deadpool
Yeah, the discord rocks! And I did indeed hope against hope that the movie would answer more of our timeline questions. Instead, it may have answered them by wiping the slate clean and starting over. Wild stuff!
Also, while I like your X-Men vs Avengers theory, I don't know if it's bound to happen. I don't know if Grammer is there for a reason right now. He could be, but Deadpool and Wolverine seemed like a Fox sendoff. Will we see him specifically again? Maybe, but I don't think there was a reason 838's Xavier had to be Stewart. However, it would make sense that they would try to connect the movies and make Monica's universe 1-0005.
Yeah, I admit that I was very sure that DP&W's movie was a send-off to the Fox universe and that would be the end for 10005. However, they shocked us all and actually rebuilt the universe at the end of the movie and left Deadpool there. Since I suspect Feige wants Deadpool in the MCU at some point, I am guessing that an Avengers vs. X-Men fight will be the way to do it. But just my theory on that.
If the only way to access other universes Is via america Chavez, dream walking and kangs tech than how do the TVA pick up wade and prune people from supposed other universes. That doesn't make it seem so impossible if anyone who has a TVA pad can travel to any universe supposedly
Great point! So what Waldron was saying in that quote is that only America can do it innately and only America can avoid an incursion by her jumps. Because there is only one of her in the multiverse, it allows her to jump around without issue. On the other hand, Dream Walking creates incursions so it's very dangerous and isn't a good means of traveling the multiverse. However, I do agree, that Kang tech gets you as close as possible. We know from the initial meeting of Kangs that was from different "stacked universes" that they found a way to traverse the multiverse with their tech. And thus the TVA is now using that same tech. It's still not as powerful as America doing it on her own, but it's very powerful none-the-less. Can't wait to see where things go from here with the multiverse saga!
Great question...I don't think we know the answer, tbh. It seems they zip in and out pretty quickly, so they aren't there long enough to let us know if their presence there would have created issues. But I hope we get answers to things like that in the future. I'd love a show devoted to the TVA. That would be so cool!
@AbitofEverything4U would you say the tva only prune variants and not anyone from the Sacred timelines? Because the x23 was the same one from logan so I was wondering why she was pruned if they don't do that. Also I was thinking back to loki, and they said that He Who Remains selected Earth-616 as the prime universe, calling it the Sacred Timeline. By "selected" what does that even mean because as ur theory states their were always an initial timeline so its not like he chose a random branch. Furthermore, I don't think he could of chosen between the mcu and the fox universe to be the "prime earth" so I confused by that statement
Regarding X-23, I think that Paradox wasn't necessarily following the rules of the TVA and he was making sure to prune anyone that might stand in his way of destroying 10005 via the time ripper. So he likely pruned X-23 for that reason. Regarding the 616 sacred timeline, my assumption is that 616 was the universe He Who Remains came from and that's why he chose to isolate it in the loom to protect it.
I belive a video i wqtched was was deadpool desicrates wolverines dead body is in 2032 because wolverine said he was 200 years old and 8 years from 2024 in deadpool 3 is 2032.... i get the 2032 time from either screencrush on youtube or new rockstars
Cool...that's a good suggestion. The only reason I do wonder about 2032 is it seems Logan's body is really decomposed, but then I don't know how long it takes for that to happen, so I'd be fine with 2032 in that case.
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I'm gonna average 2040 for the opening scene. Seven years to give X-23 her time to age older look aged up and three real time _Logan_ usiverse years in the void.
@@Buffy8Fan Good suggestion!
@@AbitofEverything4U So why did kang prune branches? How would letting them spread cause another multiversal war if the branches are in different universes?
@@Ce0x Very sorry for not seeing your comment until now. That question is tied into how the first multiversal war went down as well as the purpose of the loom, so it's a detailed enough of a question that I'm going to recommend you watch my "History of the Multiverse" video. It is long, but it's broken into chapters to make it easier to watch. It should answer all your questions. Here's the link if you are interested: ruclips.net/video/kS-v8GA4Wzc/видео.html
I can't get over how dedicated you are when it comes to making sense of all the timeline stuff in these movies!
Thanks...that's so nice of you to say! I love doing these timelines vids. They are so much fun to put together!
In the Happy Sad Confused Podcast with Josh Horowitz interviewing Shawn Levy post-Deadpool 3 release, (11 minutes in), Shawn Levy says Kevin Feige gave them the idea of an anchor being and allowed the Deadpool team to play with that idea, but it doesn’t seem like the Deadpool creatives know how that concept will play into the future movies (except Kevin/higher ups, maybe). Deadpool creatives also don’t have a plan for how the Deadpool/Thor scene will pay off and that it’s something for the future creatives to figure out.
I know Marvel creatives have always said that they don’t think too far ahead, in terms of set-up and that they’re really focused on their individual projects and just honoring the continuity that came before. It’s still fascinating to me how little set-up they make for themselves and they really do genuinely try to take it a project at a time, which I think is an interesting aspect of the MCU-definitely must be a fun/ creative challenge they make for themselves.
Yeah, I thought that interview was very interesting...particularly the anchor being part!
Liam in wades dream confirms that in another multiverse wade had taken Liam's daughter. I will continue to confirm any dream connections made going forward from multiverse of madness lol
Great point!
12:35 were all confused by him traversing Universes but hey, like you said before, he jumped into our universe to kill Ryan Reynolds before making green lantern. NegaSonic must’ve tweaked it
NegaSonic is sneaky like that!
Everytime I tune in I’m immediately greeted with such a genuine approach to the comic book movie conversation, love your work dude!
Thanks so much...that's so nice of you to say. Really appreciate it!
I just rewatched the Deadpool movies, and then as soon as I finished rewatching your “Exploring the full X-Men timeline” video, I see that you uploaded this one! It’s like you read my mind!
Thanks again for always being ontop of it with the great MCU content! I love your theory of how the universe was rewritten!
That's so nice of you to say. Yeah, I love making timeline videos. It's always fun to hunt for the clues in the movie!
I love it when you try to talk around adult stuff! It’s so cute and wholesome! 😊
Too funny...yeah, I can't believe Deadpool made me do that. lol!
I love the timeline videos! Thank you for your time and effort doing this it's so entertaining watching all those hints in the movies 💜
I'm so glad you like the timeline videos. I love doing them as well!
I'm 68 , I went to see Dead Pool for the first time today because that was the only movie I hadn't seen out of 7 other movies I'd seen. I knew nothing about DP!!! When I left I couldn't tell you what the. I just watched!!! Alot of well known actors/actresses.Thankyou for the best summary anybody could have given But I will leave DP to what ever generation is following DP. I am still as confused as I was when I went in ,watched left and listened to the summary.!!!!.
Thank you so much for sharing your feedback on the movie. It was very interesting to hear how someone reacted to the movie that had never seen any of the other Deadpool movies. I do suspect it was hard to follow a lot of the plot since it contains a lot of inside jokes about earlier movies. I do think there were a good number of jokes that didn’t require any previous knowledge, but yeah, I suspect you were pretty confused by a lot of what happened. And sadly, even my movie breakdown was probably confusing because I was assuming people had some general knowledge of the earlier movies. My apologies on that.
If I were to summarize the movie without trying to tie it into the earlier movies, I would simply say that the universe that Deadpool lives in is being shut down, which is commentary on the fact that the fox movie studio was bought by Disney and is being shut down. So now Deadpool is being given a chance to go over to the company that bought Fox, i.e. Disney.
However, Deadpool instead wants to try to save his universe by finding the one character that everybody loved so much (I.e. Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine), and Deadpool thinks this will keep his universe alive. The TVA organization is basically like a commentary on the head of Disney Studios trying to save the one good character from the old Fox company and bring him over to Disney before wiping out the old movies.
And then during the movie we see a lot of other characters from the old Fox movies as a way of honoring the legacy of everything that came before. That’s probably the simplest way I could explain the movie. Hope that helps. Thank you so much for watching the video and leaving your feedback!
I really enjoy your timeline videos the most. It's nice to see that you have so much fun putting every detail together. Love it!
Thanks! Yeah, it's so much fun to try to put everything in a linear order and to do forensic research on a movie to find any timeline hints in there. Really appreciate the kind words and positive feedback!
I don't have any notes but this was a great video man, keep it up. I would maybe either like an animated short or a tie in comic detailing what maybe Cable and Domino might be up to.
I agree...I'd love to see what happened to Cable and Domino!
All of this is getting me so excited for the future! Secret Wars is going to be so freaking entertaining - I know it is! Great video like always 😤🔥
Yeah, I agree, this really gets me excited for the road to Secret Wars!
put on this video to eat lunch to, it took the first timeline placements for me to regret this
lol! Yeah, it was very hard to navigate that first movie. Why did some of the key timeline clues have to be during THAT scene. Oooof! Sorry for ruining your lunch!
I was having dinner while watching the video, so that gave me a good laugh
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 lol!
“We will not touch what happens in Logan, Logan died in Logan”
Proceeds to completely erase it from existence and bring both Laura and replacement Logan into the main X-timeline.
Wow. You could not screw that up worse if you tried.
Lol! Yeah… I guess they could argue that they didn’t touch Logan in that regard that the movie didn’t change, per se… they just ended up wiping it from existence. 😆
That said, when the Multiverse finally collapses during secret wars, I guess Logan was going to be gone at that point anyway. So maybe they’re just cleaning up the X-Men timeline in advance. In that regard, we can all thank them for making the timeline much simpler!
Im really glad i found this channel, i was really struggling figuring out how the Multiverse worked because it was never really explained and i was feeling overwhelmed because we had a multiversal war with kang going on and incursions occuring outside of the mcu, it kinda felt like 2 Multiversal wars going on at the same time.
Im the kinda guy that has to understand something and know how it works for me to enjoy it because ill be asking myself all soughts of questions. I watched your video that you made a few months ago about "everything we know about he Multiverse" and it felt like a weight lifted off my shoulders, when a certain Multiversal scene appears i know how impactful that scene is. I really resonate with your idea of how the multiverse works, but i also get annoyed when something that i thought made sense doesnt anymore, like how is deadpool able to travel to another universe with a device that time travels.
I just watched your spoiler video on deadpool n wolverine and saw you talking about the infinity stones and how they shouldnt work because theyre not in they're home world, but i thought you established that they can be used in other universes as show in what if by ultorn, they're similar enough to be used in other universes but have a slight diffrence that they cant be crushed by the infinity stone crusher, you said something along the lines of that.
Thanks so much for your kind feedback on the channel. I'm exactly like you. I want things to make sense and when I get confused, I try to lay everything out and find a way to put it all together. So that's great that you also feel that way!
So, you asked about the infinity stones and the sling ring. You are correct, I do feel you can use the stones in a universe that is branches from yours, which is why the stones worked in Endgame across branches and why Infinity Ultron could use them across branches.
What threw me off was the idea of them working in the void. It seems there is only one void across the multiverse, so I assumed the stones would do nothing in the void. But it could be that the void is such that any set of stones work there and that might be why the TVA normally collected them before pruning someone.
I really hope that when Dr. Strange enters the stage again in Avengers 5 that we learn more about the sling ring and the void. It's possible that the sling ring works in the void without infinity stones at all, and thus those were just decorative stones that we saw in Deadpool & Wolverine and not real infinity stones. Or maybe the sling ring does need stones to take you to the void. We really need more info on that to know for sure.
I hope that hopes. Really appreciate all your awesome feedback. Thanks again!!
“And we will all continue to enjoy the ever growing, ever changing, marvel cinematic universe” I say it with you every time! It’s so iconic and gives me chills
That's so cool of you to say that. Yeah, I really do love the MCU and I hope it shows in the vids. Thanks for watching and leaving your thoughts. I truly do appreciate it!
I just rewatched this and there is a "Blink and you'll miss it" line that Paradox says about needing 72 hours to bring the Time Ripper online. And since the Time Ripper is in Earth-10005, that would be 72 hours on that Earth not in the TVA where Time is meaningless.
Good point...yeah, it seems the movie spans less than 3 days due to that line. Great catch!
That’s a pretty good theory about the Happy Hogan scene happening before he saved X-Force.
Maybe he saved Vanessa, then decided to go and try to join the avengers. Then if he would have gotten in, maybe he would bring Vanessa (and maybe the others not dead) back to 616 with him if he got the avengers position. When that failed, he though to go back to save X-Force, and the other stuff as well.
Yeah, it definitely seems like that's a possibility. It seems that after bringing Vanessa back, things started to go poorly between them, based on her joking that her new boyfriend hasn't gotten her shot yet during the DP&W movie. So that could have led to him then trying to join the Avengers, before finally bringing back X-Force. Certainly interesting to consider. Thanks for your feedback!
According to Fandom, Wade Wilson’s birthday is NOVEMBER 22, 1973 which would make a little more sense
I've heard some people say Wade's birthday is November 22, but I can't find that anywhere in the comics. Do you know which comic said his birthday is November 22? Thanks for the help on that!
@@AbitofEverything4U I only know of Deadpool’s Nerdy 30 celebrating his 30th anniversary, other than that I’m not sure
Yeah, I just can’t figure out where they got that November date. That’s why I’m going with October because that’s Ryan‘s birthday and it just makes sense that he would want Deadpool’s birthday to be the same in the MCU.
You explaining through the Wade and Vanessa stuff was hilarious
lol...yeah, it definitely took a few takes before I kept from chuckling while discussing all of that
When I first saw the movie I thought that Wade's joke "6 years ago you'd all be dead" was referring to how he would've killed everyone after getting surprised walking to his home like that, in his "old life" before hanging up the suit and now working as a car salesman. But that's right, they literally would've been dead if he didn't bring them back with Cable's device.
ikr? Isn't that line hilarious? Only Wade could say something like that and get away with it. lol!
12:32 Cables device can cross universes because they’ve conflated alternate timelines with alternate universes
In addition, I think with Cable. He was the time travel constant. So when the bear changed for him it changed his individual future as he had created a new branch. Same for Wolverine’s time travel.
Unless each time they changed the past its the TVA just deleting the branches
Right! I agree with you 100%. Cable was the time travel constant, so he wasn't using it to jump between universes, such as 10005 to 616. He was essentially "sliding" through his own timeline. However, I just chalk it up to Deadpool doing what Deadpool wants in regards to how he got to 616. Similar to how She-Hulk could exit the D+ home page to confront K.E.V.I.N., it seems 4th wall breakers can do some crazy stuff!
@@AbitofEverything4U yeah the rules are just different for the 4th wall breaker. Zack Morris has the ability to stop time on Saved by the Bell lol. When you think about it, we either have to view it as a narrative device or as a super power.
Very true...best super power ever!
Dead pool 1 & 2 have a huge difference in vibe from the marvel funded dead pool 3, this isn’t a diss but just noticing the big difference in the whole feeling the first two had a Grungy badass feel while dead pool 3 has a more cinematic adventurous feel which I love both but really is a huge difference between them.
That's a good point. Yeah, there is a different feel in the regard of grunge vs. polished, as you noted. But I'm glad that the humor (funny and raunchy), the violence (over the top), an the action (amazingly choreographed!) still managed to shine through. Those were the core elements I enjoyed about the first two movies that I think carried forward very nicely.
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25:18 Do you have any thoughts on The Phoenix creating Universe 10005 from Dark Phoenix? Your model is partly based on the Infinity Stones being creating during the big bang and them creating follow of time. Each Universe having there own Infinity Stones. We learn in GotG that Death, Entropy, Infinity, and Eternity created the Infinity Stones in Universe 616 and that the Celestials helped forge the Universe. However, if the Phoenix created the Fox Universe does that mean no Infinity Stones in that Universe. Hmmm....
That's definitely a cool theory. Feige is just the type of person to introduce that type of lore!
People might say the story is thin but the writing in many scenes is quite brilliant . “Wade you can finally , finally MATTER” meanwhile Deadpool and Wolverine are legit fighting both matter and anti-matter . Like come on . I love that literary technique in movies.
Yeah, I think you said it well. The story is light in many places, but it's still filled with so much meaning and heart at the same time. Truly an awesome movie!
I believe that by the end of Deadpool and Wolverine, the timeline was not just recreated, but actually completely rewritten, with Wolverine and X-23 effectively replacing the original Logan and Laura, along with some other changes like, as you mentioned, making Beast (and maybe others) more comic accurate. Also that theory about Wolverine's distaste for the Avengers sparking a conflict between them and the X-Men is great!
I agree 100%...excellent commentary!
Awesome theory abt the newly created X-men universe, maybe that timeline can finally be easy to chart now
ikr? Will be nice to have it being alot more straight-forward to follow!
Your videos are always such a treat. I would be very interested in your opinion on a rewatch order that contains the mcu, fox verse, the Sony spiderverse and all of the other marvel movies starting with Blade in 98.
Yeah, I think I need to do that now that we've got alot more to consider in a watch order. That's an excellent suggestion!
@@AbitofEverything4U can’t wait!
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I think you could make a video about how time travel works in the mcu because everytime we see someone time travel it looks like it works differently and only some people are allowed to.
I agree, it does seem like we've been given lots of different ways time travel can work. Great suggestion for a video!
The quantum realm seems to be part of universes, in the final of Loki season 2, mobius called it "616 adjacent realm", wouldn't that imply that quantum realms are native to each universe but might still be a sort of underground train station for multiverse travel?
Great question! So according to Jeff Loveness, who wrote Quantumania, the Quantum Realm (QR) is the "basement of the multiverse". So he implied that there was one QR for all the multiverse. Loki Season 2's Mobius quote is definitely confusing at first, but since the QR is adjacent to all universes, including being adjacent to 616, then I think that's why I think he said that. From Mobius' perspective it was indeed adjacent to 616. Anyway, that's just my understanding based upon Loveness' quote. I'd love for Marvel to come out with a book going into how all of their universes, realms, dimensions, etc are all tied together. That would be so amazing!
Only you can produce supplemental videos that supplement your supplemental videos and I don’t want to miss one .
lol! Yeah, I really need to see a doctor. I'm not right in the head. 🤣
You can see gambit during the post credit scene on one of the left monitors. It seems he's still in the void
I love that! I wondered if perhaps it was footage we'd already seen from the movie or if it was new footage, but either way, we need to start the #GambitLives movement!
Would love for Shawn Levy to be able to make the Deadpool & Spider-Man movie he want to make! Especially with how good Deadpool & Wolverine is doing. Would be a dream! Really want to see them interact
I agree...Deadpool and Spider-Man would be such a great movie!
If it takes the same amount of time for this movie to end up on Disney+ as it has for some of the more recent MCU movies, it will be one heck of a birthday for Ryan Reynolds.
Great point! Yeah, I bet it will be around the October timeframe. Happy birthday, Ryan!
I guessing secret wars is gonna be a 3 hour long movie, and I can’t wait
ikr? Gonna be massive!
Logan and Laura being there at the end does not mean that they are the Logan and Laura of 10005, or even that they are staying in that universe. They could be "Agents of the TVA" and are just visiting. And given the small moments that might create a nexus event (missing the bus?), we can't say with certainty that any of the people we saw were exactly the folks we saw in previous movies.
I also believe that Deadpool is the new anchor for 10005. Ryan Reynolds is the reason why the Fox-verse got this love letter created. He is arguably more important than Hugh Jackman at this point.
Great feedback! I agree, we don't know exactly what happened at the end of the movie. But my guess is Feige wants to pay off that Marvels post credit and the easiest way to do that is to make it be happening in the same 10005 universe. And if that's the case, then I suspect they don't want people asking about two Wolverines. So I just love the idea of them recreating the universe.
And the fact that Deadpool said that Logan is the new anchor, it seems they are going that direction, versus making Deadpool the anchor. But all just theories on my part. We'll have to wait and see what Feige has cookin' for us. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!
BRILLIANT VIDEO!
Thanks so much...really appreciate the positive feedback on the vid!
Personally, for me the end of the movie means that the entire X-Men universe goes back to how it was before Cassandra almost exterminated it.
One of the reasons I think this is because of the Logan movie itself. Since Deadpool 3 was officially announced everyone involved was very insistent that this movie was not going to undo or erase or touch the Logan movie in any way. In fact, in the announcement video that you discuss with Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman, Ryan Reynolds highlights that Logan takes place very far in the future when he mentions 2029. And Logan as a film cannot exist without the others because it is built around The Wolverine , X-Men 3 etc.
The other reason I think everything went back to the way it was is the terminology used. B-15 doesn't talk about "recreate" or "reboot," it talks about "regenerate." For me, "regenerate" is simply to heal something, to return it to its previous state. For me, regenerating something does not necessarily imply changes.
I think the reason we only see one timeline in the tempad in that scene is because Deadpool's universe is just beginning to regenerate and they aren't visible on screen yet, if anyone wants to put it that way.
Great feedback! Let me first discuss what I believe will be the ultimate fate of the X-Verse in general (and ofc Logan by virtue of it being in the X-Verse). One of the bummers of the multiverse saga is that when it ends, every universe but one will be gone. The X-Verse, Tobey and Andrew's universes, 838, the Fantastic Four, Blade, Elektra, etc. So, one way or another they will all end, and we'll have a single universe going forward.
So, with that in mind, I suspect that Ryan and Hugh were fine with putting the old version of the X-Verse to rest (including the Logan film) and creating a new one that lets the Wolverine in the film be the new "anchor". It allows that universe to get one last hurrah with the characters in comic accurate outfits for a final fight versus 616.
Granted, all of this is my theory, but I think it works out really well. But we'll have to see what direction Feige decides to go from here. Thus, you could be right in your theory and I could be totally wrong. Really appreciate your feedback. Thanks so much!!!
@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah! The beauty of this is putting our thoughts in common.
While I believe they put the X-Verse back to the way it was, at the same time I agree with you that the multiverse saga is meant to reboot the multiverse with a single universe, a new MCU, and several recasts.
Right...I think we're both heading to the same ultimate conclusion. Niiiiice!
The universe being destroyed down to 1% and then gets rebuilt, makes sense. It explains how all the different versions of characters can exist while not creating conflicts.
I agree...I really love that idea as it makes so much sense!
So basically Marvel gets another chance to make the Dark Phoenix saga. 😂 You know what they say, 3rd time is the charm. Just have Simon Kinberg stay away. He had his chance, twice!
lol...please, don't mess it up a 3rd time!
Deadpool 3 is a banger
Soooooo good!
@@AbitofEverything4U funny enough the wolverine in this film is a variant of the X-Men origins version
Good point!
Awesome video. Although I'm still unconvinced, that we're getting a full-fledged Avengers vs X-Men...
I'm hoping I can will that battle into existence. Even if it's just a small battle during Avengers 5 or 6, I'll call that a win. Fingers crossed!
It confuses me on their only being one TVA, they have the power to watch a never ending amount of universes and every single branch within that universe aswell, they must have alot of people on payroll.
ikr. Honestly, the idea that there are infinite branches that they ware watching (whether they are all in one tree or across many trees) definitely hurts my brain. But, it seems He Who Remains had some very powerful tech that was able to look at all of the probabilities coming from each new branch of the sacred timeline so that he knew what to prune. And now the TVA has expanded that tech to look at all the branches from all the universes across the multiverse to make sure any new Kangs that pop-up are taken care of. Wild stuff!
After seeing Wolverine and Gambit in DP&W, along with Beast's design in The Marvels, I really want all of the X-Men to wear comic accurate suits when they finally show up in the MCU.
ikr? That would be so awesome!
Since an area of the void was called "The Borderlands", I wonder what the actual border is like. Is it an ocean, an empty void of space, an area where Alioth doesn't usually visit, hence the vegetation, or maybe just outside of Casandras reign. Either way, different sections of the void and its different areas would be cool to visit. So far, we have the Mad Max wasteland, the borderlands forests, a giant desert, and the grasslands/ destroyed NYC from Loki.
Great points! Yeah, they are definitely setting up the void to be used for Battleworld. We learned alot about it from Loki and DP&W and we'll be learning more soon, I suspect!
First of all, watched the movie last week with my dad and it was so fun. Also, I think the Deadpool + Thor future is something that we could see in Secret Wars. Thoughts?
I agree...it would be so sweet to see DP and Thor playing out that scene down the line!
Why is Cable's future happening after the events of Logan? Was the universe erased after Logan's death? How did Cable exist?
Good question...it seems that Logan is in the same timeline as Deadpool's timeline, so that would mean Logan had to happen after DP 2. In a way, that makes sense, as things seemed to be going downhill for the world after Logan and so Cable's dark future makes sense in that regard. However, I do think that at the conclusion of DP&W that they re-wrote the universe and therefore Logan as well as Cable's dark future might therefore have never happened in the new timeline.
I'm going to throw out something that potentially cleans up your X-Men timeline. X-Men Origins Wolverine is the backstory of the Wolverine we get in Deadpool and Wolverine, not the Wolverine we see in the other X-Men movies. When Cassandra gets into Wolverine's head, notice that all of the shots that are shown for his history are from X-Men Origins. This makes sense for several reasons. First, the obvious of it fixes ALL of the timeline inconsistencies between that film and all the other X-Men films. They can't be inconsistencies if they aren't even on the same timeline. Second, we know that Wade uses Cable's device to jump between universes within the Multiverse, so what's to say what we saw in the Deadpool 2 mid credits scene wasn't exactly that. It would also make sense of the fact that we have a completely different Wade Wilson in that movie which this Deadpool kills and quips that he's "just cleaning up the timelines." And if you're looking at the extended cut of Deadpool 2, the fact that he tells that Logan that someday his old pal Wade will ask him to come back makes that moment so much more satisfying if that's the same Logan he ends up recruiting in Deadpool and Wolverine. Finally, jokes are made about this new Wolverine being the worst one, which could be a subtle nod to the idea that this Wolverine's backstory is the one presented in the worst Wolverine movie, X-Men Origins Wolverine.
Oh wow… What an interesting theory! That would be so funny if they took X-Men Origins Wolverine out of the main timeline and pulled it into this wolverines timeline instead. At first I had assumed that they were just saying that there was a Nexus event around the time of the wolverine origins movie and that’s where this variant’s branch started. But you have a very cool theory. I love it!
I just realized... If logans death sent shivers down the timeline, why would it do it now? Why not the beginning of the universe? Or during the events of the first x men movie? Or any event in that case?
Yeah, those are good questions. So, I am beginning to think that anchor beings are more of meta concept for this movie. In my spoiler review I discuss how the concept is perhaps a joke about movie studios that lose their main actor or actress but keep trying to pump out movies and they get worse and worse until the franchise dies. If that's the case, then it could be more of a joke than a true concept where Logan's death killed the universe.
But that said, if we assume for the minute that the concept is legit, then they are saying it wasn't until Logan died in 2029 in the timeline that it created shivers that destroyed everything in the past and the present from that point. I really do hope Marvel explains this abit more if they bring up the anchor concept in the future.
16:22 the film was also originally gonna release September 2024 & was later pushed to November 2024 before being pushed up to July 2024
Oh, good point about the films release date. Yeah, it jumped all over the place!
Hey I have an idea for an video since you mention the movie “ Taken”. It may be an weird one though. But what real life movies/ shows has been mentioned in the MCU? Like how “ Back to Future” or “ Taken” or the even the shows mentioned in WandaVision. Or maybe on Cap’s list and so on. I haven’t seen any one do an video on that yet. But it’s just an idea. And thanks for the video.
Yeah, I agree, I think that would be a fun idea. Would be a massive amount of research, but I think it would be so much fun to see all the movies and shows that have ever been mentioned all collected into one place.
Have you talked in one of your videos about how Deadpool’s time travelling breaks the rules explained by Hulk in Endgame?
Good question...I've toyed with a few different ideas. One is that Cable's device doesn't use the quantum realm so it is therefore able to do the Back to the Future logic instead of branching. Another idea is that the time stone for 10005 works differently and that Back to the Future logic is the way time travel works in their universe. And another is that it really created "retroactive" branches, meaning the current timeline was changed, but it also created a branch that didn't have the change happen in it. So basically the main timeline was changed but a branch still exists where the changes didn't happen. Those are the best ideas I can come up with.
If deadpool and wolverine takes place in october 2024, that means we have this, no way home, and multiverse of madness back to back 😭
Yeah, it’s pretty stacked in 2024. I mean the good news is it’s in Deadpool’s 10005 universe versus of the main 616 … but still, there’s a lot going on in late 2024. Crazy!
13:53 its possible its before he saves them or because he still experienced it. It still happened. Its still a part of something that happened to him
Agreed...it could be before or after he saved them, but either way it definitely happened at some point so it probably doesn't matter in the end, ig.
20:59 I’m assuming again, Gambit, Blade & Elektra were officially also brought to 10005
So, we don't know the answer on that for sure, but my guess is that Elektra and Blade were from different universes (i.e not 10005) and were sent back to those universes. Gambit is a total mystery since he joked about being born in the void. So I wonder where he ended up!
@@AbitofEverything4U it’d be cool if they just put them in the revisioned 10005 timeline theory you had where it effectly rewrote history so TVA can easily place Elektra, Blade & Gambit in
True...that would make life simpler going forward, in case they choose to use those actors again. Would love to see Snipes' Blade in the future!
@@AbitofEverything4U the Mahershala film is aggravating me and it isn’t even in production yet lmao. They need to get it together so Wesley & Mahershala’s can meet
Oh wow...having them in the movie together would be epic!
Hope we see adult Lauren going to logan event and talking to her young self in radio
Whoa...now that would be wild!
Okay, here me out, does 2020 work better for Deadpool 1? If the Year of the Dog in 2018 isn't proof enough then the Dec 2020 expiration date in Deadpool 2 could be. Which could just mean he has an expired box of cereal from 2020 and the year is currently 2021 in Deadpool 2, ending the movie in 2022. That would make Deadpool and Wolverine take place in 2028 making it a lot closer to the Logan movie timeline and the events happening nearer to each other with the Timeline being erased and then possibly regenerated. Also remember that the current year in one universe may not be the same in another as the Spider-verse movies seem to hint at. So could the flashback in Deadpool and Wolverine take place in 2018 on the "Sacred Timeline" but Deadpool came from 2022 in HIS timeline? Interesting theory if I may say so... 🤔
It is certainly interesting how both DP and DP 2 gave hints that things are happening later in the timeline. I agree, your theories are definitely ones we considered on the Discord. In the end, I think Feige will go with the simpler solution of making DP&W 2024, but I also think everything you said makes total sense. Wild stuff!
Question: Where was Russell in Deadpool and Wolverine?
That's my only true complaint with the movie, he seemed like an important person for Wade and not having him present with the rest of the cast feels really weird.
Yeah, I have to just guess that he grew up in the 6 years and maybe even moved out of town. But it would have been so cool to see him again!
Did you see Deadpool at Disney Land. There’s a great show where Deadpool and Star Lord have a dance off.
Niiiiice! I heard he's at Disneyland now, but haven't seen it yet. I want to make a big trip there soon with my son!
I think one of the new wolverine hidden secrets was he kil led some members of the avengers. I feel like his secret the whole movie was missing something. He let his friends down and they passed... He went on a rampage and ended innocent lives. If there are avengers in that universe they probably tried to stop him. Even though the bar owner hated him for some reason he didn't call the cops. The cops couldn't stop him and arrest him or k i l l him either. And this wolverine was much stronger than the original based on how fast he beat sabertooth. Our wolverine fought him at least what maybe 5 times if we count each scene? So one strike with this version vs two movies with the original. He leveled up and i think that may be his secret he was hiding that he didn't even want his daughter to know.
Great theories about Wolverine's secret and about the Avengers. I agree, there may well be more to the story that we'll learn if we get an Avengers vs. X-Men fight. Can't wait!
Deadpool & Wolverine is still labelled as happening in 2023 on your timeline image of X-Men in your drive file
Oops...great catch! I'll get that fixed!
21:45 will the Westchester Incident still happen?
Great question! I don't think we know. My guess is the future of 10005 is undetermined at this point, since the universe was recreated. I think we'll even see the X-Men in comic accurate uniforms going forward. Hope we do get the Avengers vs. X-Men fight!
17:02 he stranded Cable so Josh Brolin is still alive lol
ikr? Somewhere that gumpy dude is wandering around cussing at people! lol!
@@AbitofEverything4U Josh Brolin back in the MCU basically. Which makes me wonder if RDJ is doing the Demon in Armor What If story or RDJ is flat out playing Doctor Doom
Yeah, RDJ's return is a huge mystery. I do like the idea of them doing the Demon in Armor story, but I'm game for whatever Feige is cookin'!
Deadpool and wolverine was such a great movie man, i saw it twice with my brother! Thinking bout seeing it again
Such a good movie! Glad you got to see it with your brother. I bet that was alot of fun!
13:03 he also crossed to our universe to kill himself for the Green Lantern movie. He’s very self aware that Ryan Reynolds is playing his character.
Right...Deadpool can do stuff like jump to the real world...and in a way, She-Hulk did the same in the finale of hers. Wild!
wait didnt in another video, you said the x men trilogy takes place in 2003 and 2006??? now its in 1994 and 1999?
Great question...check out this short vid and let me know what you think: ruclips.net/video/_n4jsKkLAgc/видео.html
Really wish cable was in the 3rd movie :(
I agree...he was such a great character in that second movie!
I wonder why Mobius from the Loki show wasn't in Deadpool and wolverine and paradox replaced him
Yeah, I heard rumors Mobius was going to appear at one point, but since we never officially heard it from Marvel, it could’ve just been something that came up during a brainstorming session, but wasn’t really gonna happen. Or, when they wanted Paradox to be going rogue, like he did in the movie, then they knew it wouldn’t make sense for Mobius to do that because it wouldn’t be his personality. But I do agree, it was a bummer not to see Mobius again, so I hope he appears at some point during the Multiverse saga.
24:36 I mean he probably doesn’t hate the Avengers and just scoffs at them the same way he told Charles & Erik to “fuck off” lol
Could be...I'd be fine if it was just a throw-a-way line, but it just seemed like it might be hinting at something to come. We'll have to wait and see!
Just checking back to see if you noticed you won the prize for August and if you are interested in it. You certainly deserve it for all your great comments!
@@AbitofEverything4U had no clue. How do I contact you
@@realjohnlove Yep, if I don't hear back, I try to reach out to see if you might not have seen the video where it was announced. FYI, it was the West Coast Avengers. As for reaching out, you can contact me via email (abitofeverythingforu@gmail.com) or Discord (joof9735) and I'll get you your prize.
Can you do a video talking about why fox X-Men movie characters like collusus looks different in X-Men 2 and last stand than he does in Deadpool 1 2 and 3
Great question...Yeah, I always wondered about that. I suspect it's that since the earlier actor only had 1 or 2 lines and didn't do alot in the movies (which is a bummer, since Colossus so darn cool!) that when Deadpool came out they decided to cast a different actor. But I do assume it that it is meant to be the same character, similar to how Rhodey was changed between Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 2 and how Bruce was changed between Incredible Hulk and Avengers.
I like your theory about the xmen universe being rewritten in 10005. That being said, it sucks to think the original xmen universe won’t get cameos moving forward with their original characters. They would have to be reborn like Beast
Yeah, it will be interesting to see what they do. I mean, they can still use the original actors, but they would likely more comic accurate different costumes. But that's just a guess on my part. Can't wait to see what happens!
I know Deadpool tells the TVA he destroyed the device but I’m guessing he just gave it back to Cable and that’s why he wasn’t at the birthday party.
I like that idea better, tbh. Poor Cable has no way to get back, otherwise!
I wonder if any of them got snapped and then blipped in between Deadpool’s 2 and D&W since that movie takes place a year after the events of endgame
Interesting thought. Yeah, I wonder how things went down on earth 10005 regarding Thanos!
@@AbitofEverything4U something tells me it was Wade who was blipped, Vanessa going thru the stages of grief already giving up and when he came back it would explain why they’re disconnected from each other in this movie and why she isn’t impressed by his shtick anymore and why they never had that kid, if Wade didn’t get snapped they’d have definitely had that kid, also he said he hadn’t seen them in a long time, it could retroactively explain the whereabouts of fire fist, cable and domino too
Great theories!
I’m having a bit of trouble placing it on my timeline..
We know D&W takes place after Loki S2, which Marvel places it after The Marvels. So D&W, on a list, has to go after both The Marvels (in 2026) and Loki S2.
But at the same time, the movie timeline happens concurrently with the MCU timeline, which would be in October 2024. Loki being outside of time kind of messes up the list a bit.. but doesn’t that also mess up your concept that the TVA's timeline also goes with the MCU timeline?
So the loom isn’t broken from 2023-2026 because we see the 616 Multiverse is already a tree by 2024.
Would like to hear your thoughts.
"These timelines are so confusing.."
Loki is outside of time, so there is no "before" or "after". Or at least, from Wolverine's perspective* Deadpool 2 comes before Loki, but from the TVA's perspective it comes after.
*I initially wrote Deadpool, but because he's a fourth-wall breaker, either the paradox actually makes perfect sense to him or he just ignores it.
Yeah, what's the most confusing is tying the movie directly to the MCU timeline. It happens after Loki Season 2, so that seems to place it after The Marvels in 2026, but from Deadpool's standpoint, his universe's timeline is at 2024. The best explanation I can give is that it's the same thing we see in the Spider-Verse movies, where Noir's "present day" is 1933, Penni and Miguel's "present day" is in the far future, and Miles' "present day" is in the early 2020's. It's weird, but I think that's why the movie happens in 2024 for Wade but after The Marvels in 2026 from an MCU standpoint. It could ultimately be due to Paradox pulling Wade out of 2024 in his timeline even though from the MCU's standpoint, it is after 2026. Really hurts my head.
@@AbitofEverything4U which is even messier because just like you mentioned in the video, we see that 10005 and 616 are synchronized in the same year. Wade is in his universe's 2018 and goes to the MCU's 2018.
Even messier when we consider The Marvels post-credit scene likely takes place after the events of D&P(If it even is 10005).
@@gbozzi05_ Yeah, I'm very interested to see how they handle that Marvels post-credit scene if it is indeed 10005.
So based on everything my belief now to those who want to do a marvel multiverse is pick best order to watch. and my advice is watch pure mcu-Loki season 1 and then watch the ones we know for now are canon to multivese before returning mcu with wanda Vision and occasily go to sony's films if you want till you get to the marvels.then logan loki season 2 which for now stablizes the tre and then deadpool and wolverine and what if season 2.
i feel a avengers vs X-Men is coming in doomsday before battleworld created or in secret wars before they all gather against doom. i won't even try to predict how they are doing downey as doom.
That's a very good watch order. I like it! And yeah, the road to Secret Wars is looking awesome!
@@AbitofEverything4U i feel right now ff is only 2025 project that is esential for doomsday and secret wars. it will be intresting if untilled mcu films for 2026 both before after doomsday and spider-man whatever and third doctor strange. i told other if i had my way they would bring wanda back as earth 1005 version of scarlet witch who is mutant and daughter of magneto before god awful retcon and still played by elizabeth Olsen.while we may never get answer i theorize quicksilver killed in void is earth 10005 quicksilver the real one played by evan peters not the fakeout lol
Excellent theories!
If the Spider-Verse movies are any indication, not to mention the branching timelines in Loki, universes can take place at different points in time while there are concurrent multiversal events, and I wonder if Monica actually goes to the 10005 universe where it's 2024 and not 2026, or even perhaps further into the future because when we finally pick up with her story, it will likely be a couple years from now, so no time passes for her, but it does for everyone else in 616. Who's to say that the 838 universe wasn't actually much further into the future given the technological advancements. Also supposedly Fantastic Four is really going to be in the 60s and not a future stylized off predictions from the 60s. It boggles the mind.
But I think the main thing I really want to point out here is that I don't trust seeing the date in 616 and then applying 6 more years for the story of 10005. The reason being that despite being in another universe, that means that Deadpool & Wolverine happens before one of the biggest gags of the movie, which is making fun of how nothing's been working in the MCU since Endgame, and half the stories that technically happen before this one, haven't happened yet, even though Wade knows things he shouldn't as a 4th Wall Breaker. So imagine watching this movie chronologically before having seen Loki Season 2 to make more sense of B-15's role, and then also not having seen Multiverse of Madness, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Love and Thunder, Quantumania, Secret Invasion, The Marvels, and What If...? Season 2, which have generally been some of the most criticized entries in the MCU. So yes, it has been 6 years for him from that meeting, and it's likely also 6 years from Deadpool 2, but it's not 6 years from Sacred Timeline, it's at least 8 if not more because we jumped ahead 5 years, and instead of doing something sensible and just letting real time catch up with the fake one in the movies, we keep pushing things further out. I don't know, maybe it is 2030 in 10005, and maybe Logan did die, but it was some other way than in Logan, and that's why the kid is awestruck to see that it's Wolverine. I hate the Fox-Men timelines, even if Deadpool and Wolverine did create a whole new one.
Excellent feedback. I totally agree that universes can have different present days and your Spider-Verse example is spot on! I do, however, think Wade went to 616 in 2018 and that it was relative to his 10005 universe being in 2018 for the simple reason that Feige likes to make things as easy to follow as possible. And especially with the multiverse saga being more than a little confusing, I think he tries to simplify things as much as he can.
But I also agree that it's okay to watch DP&W after The Marvels and Loki S2. From an MCU timeline standpoint, DP&W is happening after Loki S2, and so I think that watching it in the correct order is fine, even if it showing events in 2024 in the 10005 universe. The way I rationalize it is that Paradox yanked Wade from 2024 in his timeline. So it's abit weird, but since the TVA can jump all over the timeline, they just decided to grab him at that point in his universe. Crazy stuff!
Where would Deadpool & Wolverine go in the 616 timeline? I was thinking after Loki or What If…? due to the multiverse aspect but maybe after The Marvels judging by release date
Yeah, I agree...I'm betting it shows up on the season by season breakdown after What If season 2. But on the timeline on D+ (which isn't yet broken by season...grrrrr!) I bet it will be after The Marvels.
20:32 Okay I missed this detail.
So I’m assuming it effectively erased Logan or crafted a different branched reality where this new Wolverine replaced the dead Wolverine. But in theory, that Wolverine is also still walking around alive right?
So my guess is that Cassandra wiped out the universe down to 1% and when DP & W recreated the universe, it made the movie's Logan be the new Wolverine (and thus the only Wolverine) and so he is now the new anchor being. So I think we have a reset of the 10005 universe with a new future ahead.
@@AbitofEverything4U I was thinking that he replaced him just by being there and it created a new future to be played out.
Also we still dont know if the Westchester Incident is gonna happen or not
I agree...the Westchester Incident is a mystery for now.
Great video I’ve been wondering if the last spider verse movie really got pushed back because it’s connected to Spider-Man 4 or secret wars
I agree...I'm dying to know when that comes out. Really looking forward to Beyond the Spider-Verse!
@@AbitofEverything4U one more thing i just randomly thought of because I watched Deadpool and Wolverine again, and am in the process of finishing infinity war and end game again. Do you think we’ll see the Captain America that ours ran into going back in time again? And what changes would have happened to Cap and that timeline with him knowing about Bucky being alive so early.
I really do hope they explain how things went down when Cap went into the past. I'm still of the belief that it created a new branch and I really want to know what happened in that new branch and then how he returned to the main MCU again!
Yes I Heard Deadpool and Wolverine made The Most Money of any R Rated Movie Ever, It Surpassed Joker.
Love that so much. Such a good movie!
Wondering what your take is on Wolverine being denied the opportunity to go back to his universe with all the X-Men being restored. The TVA say they WONT do this I’m not sure if they said that they CANT do it though. Maybe make a video on whether or not the rules have been established for or against the possibility?
Good question...so my guess is that the entire 10005 universe was "rebooted" due to DP and Wolverine recreating it after Cassandra destroyed it down to 1%. So I think there was no other universe for him to go back to and he is now the Wolverine of the main timeline.
The recreation theory makes sense, though I'm not necessarily sold on Logan being reformatted into New Logan. You could have two Logans bouncing around, the comics have done much crazier.
As for Laura/X-23, she was brought in after the Time Ripper blew, so if they did recreate the universe, she wouldn't necessarily be a part of that process.
Also, I haven't seen this question posed anywhere yet, but does Dogpool potentially cause an incursion? I guess not if she's just part of a 10005 branch, but I figured I'd bring up that question.
Excellent feedback. Yeah, there are lots of ways they can go with the newly recreated 10005. Hopefully we'll get more clarity on Logan and X-23 the next time they appear. And I think you are right in your guess that Dogpool won't create an incursion as she seems to be from a 10005 branch.
Well this is not the video I expected, very curious to see this breakdown though. Ergh ... and then the headache of metaphysics! I do think you're right about the fact Logan effectively doesn't happen now. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the thing that lead to the unaliving of most Mutants never happens maybe because of Deadpool? I love how this explains The Marvels post credit scene. I always took that F the Avengers line as just a general statement and not because he knew them. Still as always, great video.
Uh oh...not the video you expected...that doesn't sound good. What were you expecting? I can make it a priority for future vids!
@@AbitofEverything4U Nothing specifically I just wasn't expecting a timeline video.
But everyone loves a good timeline vid!
I think we can agree he would jump Mar 2018 to the MCU, but didn't we realize in a Spiderverse video that different universes can go on different timescales or something? Or is that not an MCU thing?
Great point! Yes, I definitely agree that the 616 and 10005 universes can be on different "present days" and it may turn out that's the case down the line, just like it is in the Spider-Verse movies. But I do admit that I like the simplicity of Deadpool jumping from 2018 in one universe to 2018 in the other. It just seems like Feige would want to keep things simple like that.
Deadpool enters MCU.
He does indeed!
What if the * in Thunderbolts is somehow secretly Armor Wars?
Oh, now THAT would be awesome!
So is Deadpool, dog pool, wolverine, and X-23 are they still in Deadpool's universe or in the Mcu
Good question! I think that 10005 is a separate "tree" from Loki's tree. So that means that Deadpool, Dogpool, Wolverine and X-23 are not yet in the MCU but are in the Fox universe which was rebuilt by Deadpool and Wolverine. If you are interested, I go into that in more detail in my video on how DP&W impacts the greater multiverse: ruclips.net/video/jsz_Ziyyv0E/видео.html. Really appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Thanks so much!
I just want to point out that you incorrectly referred to X-Force as "X-Factor" while talking about Wade's interview with Happy. As far as I know, Deadpool has no association with X-Factor.
Oh my! Now that's really lame of me. I'm glad I called them X-Force earlier, but yeah, I definitely meant to say X-Force when he was interviewing with Happy. Great catch!
I'd be very, very surprised if the X-Men universe introduced in The Marvels isn't 10005. It has to be!
ikr? That would be so cool!
Finally, just to make sure I understand correctly, Deadpool and Wolverine takes place in 10005's 2024, but also in the void, and definitely after Loki Season 2 because of a few things said (so some time after November 2026 in MCU 616). But how much time has really passed? I'm really hoping What If...? Season 3 can give us some more guidance on that. Something before The Fantastic Four, please, tell us how far after The Marvels Loki Season 2 is, and please tell us just how far after Loki Season 2 Deadpool and Wolverine is.
Preach it! I'd love more info on everything you said. I think it all fits together nicely, but it would still be good to get more confirmation in a future entry.
@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah, since watching your timeline videos and getting the Timeline book for Christmas, I've become a lot more invested in placing things on the timeline, and am getting worried we may not be able to do the full calculations for Agatha, Captain America BNW, or anything after until we know some of this info, because it really helps for placing stuff after this. Because all we know is this is after What If Season 2
Right...I'll be interested to see where all of the new shows and movies start popping up on D+ timeline. For now, it's the best indicator we have to go off, and hopefully things will become more clear soon!
Deadpool begin set in 2014 is very tricky because of the Helicarrier fight scene. As I cannot see the U.S. Department of Defence, dumping such a valuable piece of military equipment for anybody to use as their villainous hideout.
Damaged Helicarrier 2012, Avengers Assemble and 3 Damaged Helicarrier's 2014, Captain America the Winter Solider.
Therefore the most likely date for the setting of Deadpool is 2018 to 2020 As these are the only years that connects all of the references in the Deadpool movie's.
Great feedback! So, my guess is that the events of the main MCU don't have to align with the events of Deadpool's 10005 universe, so the helicarrier events in Avengers and winter solider probably don't have to factor into Deadpool's timeline.
My biggest hesitation with shifting the DP movies forward is that if we put DP 1 in 2020 (with it starting in 2018 for the flashback), it puts DP 2 in at least 2021 to get to their next anniversary and that puts DP&W in 2027, six years later.
None of that is impossible, but just seems like it could be an odd choice for them to go that direction. It means Wade traveled from 2021 in DP 2 to 2018 in the sacred timeline. Again, not impossible, but just kinda weird. But all that said, they never do lock things down very tight on the specific years of the movies, so I think there is certainly a chance the years could shift later, as you suggest. Thanks for the excellent feedback. Really appreciate it!
@@AbitofEverything4U Thanks for replying.
It's always wonderful reading your thoughts on the comments and suggestive theories I make.
If I have thrown a spanner in the works then, we keep going as a collective, discussing our ideas and theories. Because one of these days, we will nail down the X-Men and Deadpool Timelines perfectly.
Why 2018 to 2020 for Deadpool and Deadpool 2... The Box of Cornflakes. 3 months to consume once they are open and, 6 to 12 months after the expiry date if unopen So, the Box of Cornflakes could only have been produced in late 2018 or early 2019.
Yes, it's may be just a visual prop but it's significance is the date it recorded 12 - 28 - 20. That is the expiry or use by date 28th December 2020.
Yes it's crazy, I know.!
But why that Box of Cornflakes with that date.?
That's a millisecond on screen and you don't even notice it. Like dates on newspaper or calendars on a wall.
Your brilliant observations did notice it and, brought it to our attention.
You may be dismissing the perfect clue yourself for the exact year date and time which fits exactly the Chinese Year of the Dog 2018. The next Years of the Dog is 2030 which would link Wolverine dying in Logan, which is 2029.
2014 is the year of the Chinese Year of the Horse.
Always a pleasure watching your videos. Please keep up the fantastic work you do. 😎👍
Fantastic comments. So all of your theories for a later placement could be right and I'm down for whatever Feige lands on. But it just seems so odd to me that the Deadpool movies would release in 2016, 2018 and 2024 respectively but be placed in 2020, 2022 and 2028. But again, I'm down for whatever the official answer is. Maybe one day they will produce a timeline book for the X-Verse. I'll buy it up in a second, if so!
@@AbitofEverything4U It's just a theory but, it's based on all of the evidence you are presenting to all of us. 2018 to 2024 that's 6 years of the Deadpool Timeline.
I completely agree that once a new timeline book is published then we will have clarity but until then, we search for clues and openly discuss them.
A HUGE THANK YOU.
Well said. I really like 2018 and 2024 for the years of DP 2 and DP&W!
Assuming that its 100% the same x-23 i wonder if wolverine wasn't meant to die by saving x-23 which lead to the universe being killed off slowly. The TVA has to understand that anchor beings have to die within their universe at some point (like old age) and with wolverine dying not the way he was intended lead to the universe dying and x-23 having to be prune because she wasn't meant to live that long (i hope all this mad sense, im just theorizing lol)
Cool theory...yeah, I would love to know the reason X-23 was pruned and that's a very good suggestion!
23:13 I hope thats not the case & thats just another separated universe
I'm okay either way on that idea, but the reason I think Feige will go that direction is it pays off that Marvels post credit scene rather than creating yet another X-Men universe.
@@AbitofEverything4U Deadpool & Wolverine did show a lot of universes where the mutants exist. I expect the “Cavillrine” to return in Secret Wars, we saw Hulk vs Wolverine, we saw comic accurate Old Man Logan, short comic accurate Logan, we saw so many X-Men universes. So just making the one Monica is stuck in would just be on the pile
However it might be easier to have Monica on the same Earth as Deadpool
Yeah, lot of different ways Feige can go from here. Will be fun to see which direction he chooses!
1:14 Fun place
1:55 man... I was really hoping deadpool and wolverine would help solve when the original x-men trilogy take place
Yeah, the discord rocks! And I did indeed hope against hope that the movie would answer more of our timeline questions. Instead, it may have answered them by wiping the slate clean and starting over. Wild stuff!
Nice channel
Thanks...that's very nice of you to say!
Also, while I like your X-Men vs Avengers theory, I don't know if it's bound to happen. I don't know if Grammer is there for a reason right now. He could be, but Deadpool and Wolverine seemed like a Fox sendoff. Will we see him specifically again? Maybe, but I don't think there was a reason 838's Xavier had to be Stewart. However, it would make sense that they would try to connect the movies and make Monica's universe 1-0005.
Yeah, I admit that I was very sure that DP&W's movie was a send-off to the Fox universe and that would be the end for 10005. However, they shocked us all and actually rebuilt the universe at the end of the movie and left Deadpool there. Since I suspect Feige wants Deadpool in the MCU at some point, I am guessing that an Avengers vs. X-Men fight will be the way to do it. But just my theory on that.
Wonder how they will put this movie on the D+ timeline
My guess is that it will be placed after The Marvels and on the season by season chart will be placed after What If. But they may surprise us!
If the only way to access other universes Is via america Chavez, dream walking and kangs tech than how do the TVA pick up wade and prune people from supposed other universes. That doesn't make it seem so impossible if anyone who has a TVA pad can travel to any universe supposedly
Great point! So what Waldron was saying in that quote is that only America can do it innately and only America can avoid an incursion by her jumps. Because there is only one of her in the multiverse, it allows her to jump around without issue. On the other hand, Dream Walking creates incursions so it's very dangerous and isn't a good means of traveling the multiverse.
However, I do agree, that Kang tech gets you as close as possible. We know from the initial meeting of Kangs that was from different "stacked universes" that they found a way to traverse the multiverse with their tech. And thus the TVA is now using that same tech. It's still not as powerful as America doing it on her own, but it's very powerful none-the-less. Can't wait to see where things go from here with the multiverse saga!
@AbitofEverything4U So is it possible for Tva agents to cause incursions if they stay long enough?
Great question...I don't think we know the answer, tbh. It seems they zip in and out pretty quickly, so they aren't there long enough to let us know if their presence there would have created issues. But I hope we get answers to things like that in the future. I'd love a show devoted to the TVA. That would be so cool!
@AbitofEverything4U would you say the tva only prune variants and not anyone from the Sacred timelines? Because the x23 was the same one from logan so I was wondering why she was pruned if they don't do that.
Also I was thinking back to loki, and they said that He Who Remains selected Earth-616 as the prime universe, calling it the Sacred Timeline. By "selected" what does that even mean because as ur theory states their were always an initial timeline so its not like he chose a random branch. Furthermore, I don't think he could of chosen between the mcu and the fox universe to be the "prime earth" so I confused by that statement
Regarding X-23, I think that Paradox wasn't necessarily following the rules of the TVA and he was making sure to prune anyone that might stand in his way of destroying 10005 via the time ripper. So he likely pruned X-23 for that reason.
Regarding the 616 sacred timeline, my assumption is that 616 was the universe He Who Remains came from and that's why he chose to isolate it in the loom to protect it.
I belive a video i wqtched was was deadpool desicrates wolverines dead body is in 2032 because wolverine said he was 200 years old and 8 years from 2024 in deadpool 3 is 2032.... i get the 2032 time from either screencrush on youtube or new rockstars
Cool...that's a good suggestion. The only reason I do wonder about 2032 is it seems Logan's body is really decomposed, but then I don't know how long it takes for that to happen, so I'd be fine with 2032 in that case.