In terms of both Chronological order and a viewing order that makes sense chronologically (if that makes sense) I'd love to know if this makes sense? 97. Avengers: Endgame (2018-2023) Time Travel 1 98. Venom AND Post Credit Scene for Venom (October 2018-April 2019) Alternate Universe 5 99. The Daily Bugle S3 [E26-E29] (June 2019) Alternate Universe 6 100. Morbius AND Mid Credit Scene for Morbius (June 2019) Alternate Universe 6 101. Venom: Let There Be Carnage (October-November 2020) Alternate Universe 5 102. Caught in a Ham (Mid-November 2021 [starts 66 minutes before entrance in Spiderman Into the Spider-verse]) Alternate Universe 7 103. Spiderman Into the Spider-verse (Mid-November 2021) Alternate Universe 7 104. Spiderman Across the Spider-verse (March 2023) Alternate Universe 7 The Multiverse Saga Phase Four *105. Loki S1 AND Credit Scene(s) for Loki S1 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/Branched Universe travel 1* 106. Post Credit Scene for Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (July 24th [and days later] Outside of Time) Alternate Universe 8 *107. Loki S2 E1-4 AND Credit Scene(s) for Loki S2 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/Branched Universe travel 2.1* 108. What If…? Season 1 AND Post Credits for What If…? Season 1 (2023) Branched Universes 1-9 109. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S06 (Summer 2019) Branched Universe 10 110. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S07 (Summer 2019-Summer 2020) Branched Universe 10 *111. Loki S02 E5 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/ Branched Universe travel 2.2* 112. X-Men First Class (X-Men Timeline Order - 1962) Alternate Universe 9 113. X-Men Origins Wolverine (X-Men Timeline Order - 1979) Alternate Universe 9 114. X-Men Animated Series (X-Men Timeline Order - 1992-1996) Alternate Universe 9-2 115. X-Men ‘97 [Animated Series] (X-Men Timeline Order - 1997) Alternate Universe 9-2 116. X-Men (X-Men Timeline Order - 2003) Alternate Universe 9 117. X2 X-Men United (X-Men Timeline Order - 2003) Alternate Universe 9 118. X-Men The Last Stand (X-Men Timeline Order - 2006) Alternate Universe 9 119. The Wolverine (X-Men Timeline Order - 2013) Alternate Universe 9 120. The Gifted S1 (X-Men Timeline Order - 2017) Alternate Universe 9-3 121. The Gifted S2 (X-Men Timeline Order - 2018) Alternate Universe 9-3 122. X-Men Days of Future Past (X-Men Timeline Order - 2023 [1973]) Alternate Universe 9 123. X-Men Apocalypse (X-Men Timeline Order - 1983) Alternate Universe 9 124. X-Men Dark Phoenix (X-Men Timeline Order - 1992) Alternate Universe 9 *125. Deadpool (X-Men Timeline Order - 2016) Alternate Universe 9-1* 126. The New Mutants (X-Men Timeline Order - 2020) Alternate Universe 9 *127. Logan (X-Men Timeline Order - 2029) Alternate Universe 9* *128. Deadpool 2 (X-Men Timeline Order - 2018 [2068]) Alternate Universe 9-1* 129. WandaVision AND Three Post Credit Scenes at the end of their respective episodes of WandaVision (7, 8, & 9) (November 2023) 130. Eternals AND Mid Credit Scene for Eternals AND Post Credit Scene for Eternals (Late 2023) 131. Post Credit Scene for Morbius (2024) Alternate Universe 6 *132. Loki S2 E6 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/ Branched Universe travel 2.3* *133. Deadpool and Wolverine (March 2024 and combined with X-Men Timeline Order and Outside of time to officially create a new X-Men timeline aka heal the X-Men timeline) Alternate Universe 9-4* 134. Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings AND Mid Credit Scene for Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings AND Post Credit Scene for Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (April 2024) I feel it works outside the other FOX X-men movies because Loki S2 seems to have needed to be watched in order to understand The TVA aspects of the story. And yet tying it loosly yet watchably into the core branch of the MCU timeline. Personally I think when Hunter B15 said the timeline was better now she commented along the lines of healing the universe. I think while the 10005 universe, in-universe, is now cleaned up to the point of being able to join the MCU timeline and we don't have to worry about FOX timeline issues. People know Wolverine, but now this is Wolverine and not the one we knew in the FOX movies. Same with X-23. I'm not sure I like the idea of a resurected Wolverine, though, as that would mess with the _Logan_ timeline, and they said they didn't want to, anymore than the opening scene, which didn't change his death; resurecting him would, though. I always assumed Negasonic Teenage Warhead and Yukio unintentionally reworked Cable's device when they fixed it to time travel other demensions. Perhaps it was intentional and that is why they were so worried about the fact that they handed it over to Wade. And considering The TVA didn't prune him for going to see Happy, that means it was meant to happen because it all leads to Wade, in-universe, playing an important part we still don't know about. It all adds another layer to how untrustworthy Parodox is with his lies and what he ends up doing. I think he wanted to get rid of Wade, and Anchor Beings (while being a metaphor for movie executives) was a way to get Wade to let his guard down long enough to be pruned while still following enough orders to not get caught doing all his rougue acts. The concept doesn't actually exist, in my opinion, but what Deadpool and Wolverine do, makes the X-Men universe healthier (or whatever the phrase was Hunter B15 used). After listening to Feige on his definition of Anchor Beings, I think an assumption could be made for a few things: 1. By the end of The MCU (whenever that may be) we still won't see the universe dead because it will have taken longer than great great great granchildren not born yet, to die. 2. Or each Saga and/or Phase could each have their own anchor being (example Tony Stark). 3. Or considering the next Saga is going to be a starting point to all Marvel properties being usable in the MCU (and therefore a soft reboot), we still haven't seen an Anchor Being in 616. 4. I do think Wolverine dealing with his issues and becoming the hero shows you can replace an Anchor being, if they are real. At the end of the day its all just too metaphorical to matter much to any grander scheme past ending FOX X-Men to incorparate things officially into the MCU, whether they end up being real or not. I can't remember if B15 knows what became of Loki in the tree or not, but if so it explains even more so, why she didn't like what he did; and if not she seems to be fixing the mistake of Paradox being in charge of anything. I don't think Gambit, Elektra, or Blade are from 10005. I think they got pruned before The TVA changed how they do things. With the exception of Laura, as that wasn't too long ago, chronologically speaking. Loki S2 said all Kangs had been rounded up. Unless shown otherwise, I'm assuming that means all Kangs are caught. Including everyone from the Quanumania end credit scene.
The best thing about this film is Wesley Snipes as blade he still looks good and kicked ass Of course Henry Freaking Cavill as Wolverine he was sexy handsome acted that scene out to pieces and it was epic Chris evans as Johnny storm from the fantastic four original film Wolverine still looks good But I’ve always said if the only good thing about a film is the action scenes then no matter how good those scenes are it’s not a good film And that’s how I feel about this film too many unnecessary fight scenes between Wolverine and Deadpool especially the Honda car scene it didn’t need to happen But if you take away all the cameos and the fight scenes what are you left with nothing Just a film that really isn’t about anything and not even the bigger mcu It’ll make money but It won’t make a billion dollars
@@Buffy8Fan Wow...like, just wow. Excellent commentary. Loved all of it. As for your viewing order, it seems to work to me. Honestly, any order is okay, as I think the order is very dependent on the person. But your order doesn't have any issues that I can see.
Paradox in the movie says something along the lines of "we used to prune such timelines but apparently we don't do that anymore." So it has to take place after Loki season 2
One thing to keep in mind with the whole "why didn't X cause an incursion?" line of questioning, is that Reed was saying it was a *risk* of an incursion, not that it would definitely cause one. For example, think of a CD spinning in a portable player. A bit of shaking and everything is just fine, the built-in "anti-skip" handles it--this is someone taking a short visit into another universe. The longer the shaking goes on and the more intense it gets (or in this case the longer a foreign person stays in another universe and the more they impact events), the more likely a "skip" happens, which is an incursion. According to Clea, these can be fixed, but too severe an instance, and the whole thing breaks, damaging the "disk," or universe in this case.
But wolverines in fox universe forever now as an anchor being right? So eventually given what we know, there should be an incursion happening in that timeline
Deadpool reversed time. So his universe isnt an alternate timeline , its the original - even tho he originally died , he reversed it and his friends death. Then he reverse time back to origins , killing himself , but he also reversed back to 2009 before green latern, and since cable can return to his time , its implied the forward function sends you to the reverse time - which would be the original one u came to , not the new future.
Great point! I agree, it's a matter of how much time you spend in the other universe that causes the issue. And I guess it was fine if Wade was sent to 616 as Paradox suggested, since Paradox was then going to kill off his universe meaning there would be no chance of an incursion happening between 616 and 10005. Anyway, excellent explanation!
@@lightskinjayt2627 So, my guess is that Wolverine in the movie was from a branch of 10005, so he therefore won't cause an incursion. I think it's only when you go to an alternate universe that it's an issue.
What i love about the deadpool franchise is that they made it their mission to fix the past mistakes of the fox universe and making the old characters comic accurate that were done wrong in the xmen movies first fixing deadpool and collosses then juggernaut and ending with fixing wolverine was the cherry on top
After Paradox says he can’t replace Logan with “this”, he then says something like “I wouldn’t have taken any other Wolverine you brought, but you had to go and one up yourself and bring me the worst one.” So no, I don’t think an anchor could be replaced, at least not until the end of the movie after the time ripper was destroyed. Not really sure how that changed it though to be honest.
Good points...I wonder if the time ripper was reversed by Logan and Wade so that they partially re-wrote the timeline...like a mini version of the God of Stories?
my understanding of anchor beings is basically once the 'audience' loose interest, once the main attraction to a movie dies, and or once things are slowly forgotten about.. i.e Electra's solo movie. blade 1, 2 ,3. the undeveloped Gambit movie... the universe dies with that character or concept. it ceases to exist within the zeitgeist and there for becomes extinct. also why it takes 'a thousand years or so' as a reference to die hard fans never letting go of the thing they so loved. and having a hard time accepting any other portrayal of a character. edit: example Tony Stark death.. everything in mcu since has been lack lustre and it has been rumoured the mcu is slowly fading, dying out... once Ironman as 616's Anchor being has died that universe slowly falls apart until it dies and they have to 'soft-reboot' to create a new attraction (most likely fantastic 4) with an incursion between two worlds colliding eventually leading to Doom and battle World
I agree 100%. I think it was more of a clever meta joke on the movie industry and connected universes dying when they lose their main star, rather than something that is to be taken as actual metaphysics logic in the MCU. I will honestly be surprised if the term ever surfaces again.
No way home was actually corny asf. Poor dialogue and forced interactions regardless of my admiration for Spiderman. Moon knight is as forgettable as everything else the saving grace was oscar Issac being an elite actor. Loki was pointless given it was setting up Kang to be the new big bag and a multiversal threat just to be absolutely undermined by ant man with last minute reshoots that killed prime kang (not to mention J.M controversy) So yes. Everything has been lack-luster. The one good thing to be released and to have actual relevance was guardians 3. And now Deadpool and wolverine (which is also the weakest out of the now 3 DP films. Even though I love 3 to bits!) MCU has been shit. Woke. Political and forgot how to be compliant story tellers while trying to juggle woke Hollywood whilst pandering to propaganda agenderists, politics they have no business dictating and deep throating us with gay/woke/female empowerment bs and totally incompetent staff hires. Whilst burning bridges with the people who built the MCU with passion and love. We were literally one bad flop away from becoming the starwars universe and luckily chapec was smart enough to pull the rug, fire the woke and cut the production line of totally bs TV and movies. Make the MCU great again!!
@@OwenMarshall-c5q Yeah, uh, we are not continuing this discussion. Since it's obvious what your actual problems are. And no, the list I mentioned doesn't have anything "woke". Also no, Loki wasn't to setup Kang, that was the work of other movies, it was to setup all the timelines and how the work and how Loki would bring order to the disorder that had been created. But either way, as I said, there's no point since i just read the most conservative comment I have ever seen.
Taking about Cable's device "I'll let that slide" ... I see what you did there, well played. I also agree with you 100%, the Loki season 1 episode 5 line was my favorite joke in the movie as well.
Ok after seeing the film twice and comparing the notes from Loki, Quantumania, What If, Multiverse of Madness, Thor the Dark World, GotG, Eternals and even Dark Phoenix. I think I have a good understanding of what the Multiverse is and where Deadpool's 10005 comes in. Before the 616, time, and space, there was a black void with the Dark Elves. Then the 4 cosmic entities created the Infinity Stone causing the Big Bang, creating the follow of time. The Celestials then filled the virgin Universe/Multiverses with everything. However, things are different in 10005. "Because it's the spark that gave life to the universe and the flame that consumed my world." ―Vuk. The Phoenix Force created the Fox universe, does that mean no Infinity Stones, Eternity and the other Cosmic Entities? Idk. Loki S1 goes on to show us giant black holes, each containing a timeline ring (some call it a bush). We learn that other Kang variants come from these BH. He Who Remains weaponized Alioth, made the TVA, the Loom, and the Sacred Timeline to stop the Multiversal War. So, yes, the BH are the Multiverse. 616 is just 1 universe. Or Multiverse. Michael Wauldren said in an interview on the official Marvel Website about Loki S1 that multiple Multiverses exist. Also the Sacred Timeline is it's own Multiverse. We see what this means in Loki S2, as the Loom keeping 616 together breaks causing a Multiverse to formed from infinite timeline branches growing. This makes sense as a multiverse is a collection of multiple universes and timelines in Loki are universes in of themselves. So when What If calls the Tree Loki forms a Multiverse, it isn't wrong, it's just not the whole Multiverse. Wauldren goes on to call the collection of every BH the "Greater Multiverse". We hear in behind the scenes that America is special for being able to travel the Multiverse. Yet in What If Wanda and other characters cross timelines fine. That's because travel between timelines and travel between BHs is different. What If timeline hopping seems to not cause incursions. However, MoM says travel between BH universe do cause Incursions. This also lines up with HWR description of the Multiversal War. Loki establishes that branched timelines are labeled as universe # . # Ex: 616.203. However, 838 and 10005 aren't labeled like that. So how does the TVA monitor 10005. At the end of S2, the TVA started monitoring for other Kangs and S1 established Kangs come from other BH. This was also backed up in Quantumania which is referenced in S2. Therefore after S2, the TVA started monitoring possibly every BH for Kangs. (Ok but real talk how do they deal with Kangs, do they prune them, I feel like that wouldn't stop Kang) So is Deadpool and 10005 apart of the 616 tree. No, it's seperate. 616 is only itself and it's branches. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Love it! I agree with all of that. If you haven't seen my "history of the multiverse" video, you might check it out: ruclips.net/video/kS-v8GA4Wzc/видео.html. I said alot of the same things. We are totally on the same wavelength. So cool!
I really think the Punisher they talk about was originally going to be alive and on the team with these other 2000s marvel characters and that he was going to be the Ray Stevenson version of the character until his death, I think it’s no coincidence that the car that the writers chose has enough room for at least 1 other person in it
I have to agree. That's probably also the reason for The Russian from War Zone, complete with the red and white striped shirt. That one took me a minute to figure out. Crazy that Stevenson didn't come to mind until seeing your comment.
After last night's announcement of RDJ playing a Victor von Doom variant, I think the most important thing to come out of this movie is actually Chris Evans' cameo and establishing that different individuals (in this case, Johnny Storm and Steve Rogers, and for Doomsday, Tony Stark and Victor Von Doom) can have Variants that are identical to each other. This is also a great way of explaining actors who've played multiple roles in the MCU, like Mahershala Ali playing Cottonmouth and Blade. Their MCU Variants just happen to look identical AND exist in the same universe. The Multiverse is very weird, since there's even one universe where TWO variants of the same person co-existed. (Jessica Jones, to be specific. One with her standard powers and an adult going by Knightress, and a teenager with Rogue's absorption powers going by Jewel.)
For this Wolverines backstory he didn't just go to a bar and missed the massacre of the X-Men. Him going to the bar was when it happened, but the true backstory is that he distanced himself from the X-Men instead of embracing them as friends and family. Wolverine being the powerhouse he is could maybe have saved them if he had chosen not to be a drunk and a loner. That is why he is wearing his yellow suit because it reminds him of them (he could also maybe wear the suit as a punishment for his failures). This shows that he made a mistake to not embrace them and be better and that's why he feel such guilt (and also not for being able to control his rage that killed a lot of innocent people).
1) A correction, E-10005 X-23 would be six during DP&W, because she was born in 2018, and was 11 in Logan. 2) I don't think E-10005 is a "tree", I don't think most universes are. Yes, it can still be called that because it's a universe which is a collection of 'branching' timelines (branch, tree, plant metaphors). But I think 616/199999 is uniquely tree-shaped or rather Yggdrasil-shaped BECAUSE it's being held together by Loki, but not all universes have a Loki certainly not all holding their universes together. The only reason 616 Loki is there doing what he's doing is because of HWR's failsafes on the Loom that basically ensure the whole thing dies/rips to shreds if he isn't the last one standing. 3) I think the guest characters are from different universes than E-10005. As for the designations, while they aren't always reliable, they're certainly not fan creations, they come from the Official Marvel Handbooks. Not accounting for the possibility that they could themselves be variants just played by the same actors (such as JJJ in Tobey's Spider-Man and the MCU), Blade should be from E-26320 and Elektra should be from E-701306. As for Johnny, I'm not quite sure he actually IS the same Johnny from the 2005 films. The suit/4 logo doesn't match up, and sure you could chalk that up to time passing/new suits, but then there's also the fact he has a Boston accent, which Johnny in the old films never did. I also don't think the old Tim Story F4 should be written off just yet for Secret Wars. 4) My biggest one and most interesting one: aside from Wolvy, we don't see any more X-Men in this movie than we do in the first two Deadpool films (and I'm excluding DP2's brief gag cameo). It's just Colossus, Negasonic and Yukio. Every other mutant we see in the void (Pyro, Toad, Sabretooth, Azazel, etc) is either a Brotherhood member or not affiliated with any group. There were all these talks and interviews and rumors and yet -- we did not even get a "third act flashback" to James Marsden, Famke Janssen, Halle Berry, Patrick Stewart, Anna Paquin, Ian McKellen... none of them. Combine that with the film ending with DP remaining in 10005 and Kelsey Grammar's appearance in The Marvels and I begin to think that this might be more of the comedic standalone appetiser to a larger meal.
Awesome feedback! 1. Yeah, I can't believe I said she was 1. I was doing quick math and chose the 2018 date for DP 2 rather than the 2024 date for DP&W. D'oh! 2. Agree 100%. I've started called the X-men universe more like a briar patch than a tree, as that's what it seems to be. 3. I do like the idea of Elektra and Blade being from different universes than 10005. That makes alot of sense. As for saying the fan made universes aren't always reliable, I was more referring to the fact that many fan sites listed Logan as being a different earth designation than Deadpool's, but this movie seemed to confirm Logan was in the same timeline as Deadpool. Honestly, I've never quite understood why timelines are given different earth designations by fans, such as giving the OG X-Men timeline a different designation than the revised timeline of DoFP. 4. You could be right that this movie was a fun one-off, but I am certain we'll see Hugh's Wolverine and Ryan's Deadpool again, so my guess is that to the reduce confusion of creating several X-Men universes/timelines that instead Feige will say The Marvels and DP&W are the same universe. Just a theory, but I do like the idea. Thanks for all the awesome feedback. Really appreciate it!!!
@@AbitofEverything4U I definitely agree with the third point. The revised/post-DOFP X-Men timeline always felt like it should be a E-10005B or E-10005.211 rather than an entirely new universe designation, like some people pushed for, likewise with Logan although to be fair until DP&W we didn’t know entirely for sure if Logan was in the revised 10005 timeline, especially with the director and others saying it was in it’s own timeline/universe removed from the others. While I’m not the biggest fan of all t creative decisions this film made, I’m glad they stuck with Logan being in the main X-Men timeline, because while it’s another bleak ending for the X-Men (and almost certainly one that’ll be undone come Avengers: Secret Wars) that overwrites the happy ending of DOFP - it’s simultaneously the perfect sendoff for Wolverine as a character, such beautiful acting and portrayals by Jackman and Stewart that should not just be locked off to it’s own unconnected inconsequential timeline/universe as it’s own thing IMO.
@@ThePatchedVest Yeah, I think Secret Wars will ultimately have a bittersweet ending, as it seems every other universe is going to die with only a single universe left. Sigh.
What's interesting to me about Kang is that James Gunn confirmed that Kang originally belonged to Fox prior to the buyout. So, technically they could just write out the Council of Kangs by saying that it was the 616 Variants coming together, but they were killed off or whatever by the 10005 Variant of Kang. Which could even be used as an excuse to have the X-Men fight the Avengers because the Avengers know Kang is evil, while the X-Men could be manipulated by their Kang into believing that it's really the Avengers that are evil because of what Doctor Strange did with the Darkhold in Multiverse of Madness.
@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah it's always been interesting to me that Fox had all these characters but they never really used them. Sadly, my Kang theory isn't going to come true with the reveal of RDJ coming back to play Doctor Doom. But I still think my idea's a fun little what if.
I absolutely loved that Channing Tatum finally got his chance to play Gambit after all these years, and he even got to wear a comic accurate suit. Also, I don't think he's from Earth-10005.
A minor detail about the movie that I really liked is how they finally revealed the pronunciation of Earth-10005 is "one-triple zero-five." That's something I've wondered about for years.
It was a really fun ride me and my brother kept gasping over the Johnny, Blade, Elektra, and Gambit cameos, loved that title sequence fight, and laughed out loud over that PostCredit with Johnny
I found 3 big mistakes in the movie. Assuming that the timeline continuity of Deadpool movies series is the same of Logan (2017): 1st mistake: Deadpool is looking for a Wolverine to serve as a replacement as an anchor being, and he can perfectly go for the Wolverine of his present (2024, because 6 years have passed since the events of Deadpool 2 which takes place during 2018), so the search of the anchor being as we saw it, was not necessary. The only thing Deadpool has to do is ensure that Charles Xavier does not have that mental attack that caused all the mutants to die as was known in Logan (2017). 2nd mistake: when Cassandra enters Wolverine's mind, scenes from Logan (2017) are seen, this means that the worst version of Wolverine lived through a good part of the events of the movie Logan, which means that he should have recognized X-23 when he met her in the Void. 3rd mistake: At the end of the movie, Wolverine and X-23 are seen with Deadpool's friends. The problem is that there are then 2 versions of Wolverine and X-23 in the Fox Universe.
I like the idea that there are two wolverines and the tva are like "this SHOULD break the universe but it seems stable so let's not mess with it" like when your code is throwing errors but the program is running anyway
Yep...I struggled with the same three issues. No doubt about it, you just have to shut your brain off when you watch a Deadpool movie. It's great entertainment, but you can't think about it too hard, ig. lol!
In my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong 1: By the rules of Loki, even changing the past won't change the future, instead create a branch timeline of that timeline, so the events of Logan would've happened otherwise with respect to prior Deadpool. Paradox never said by replacing the anchor, it solves the issue. But by saying that thought, Deadpool thinks that's the viable solution, that's why he tries to find a replacement DESPITE not being the solution of his timeline fixing. 2. Since there are not much video sources, for this moment, what I can say is it doesn't mean he has to meet her despite he lived through some events of Logan. 3. They are now living in an alternate reality where there are 2 versions of Wolverine and X-23 in that Fox timeline. FYI. I agree that changing some minor things in the past might change the future as if it was already there, for example, Peggy and Steve. If the continuity make sense, then it closes a time loop as if they were already there. However, since we now know that Logan has to die, changing that outcome would make a branch reality. All he can do without branching is anything that would still lead to the events of Logan.
36:22 I wondered this too. I'd like to think that if Deadpool occurred in the main X-men universe, that the Laura in the apartment was the one that was from Logan and not her variant.
she’s from Logan and was pruned to the Void several years after Logan (2030’s) and came back to the universe in 2024 at the end of the movie. this is all based on the fact that Logan takes place in the timeline cause of him being the anchor being or whatever
Yeah, it's weird since they seem to indicate that the Deadpool movies and the Logan movie are in the same timeline. So, if X-23 is from the future after the Logan movie (say 2035) of the same timeline, then two of her from the same timeline would be there in 2024. Very odd!
Blade showing up in the movie shocked me. I did not expect him to be in the movie especially since blade wasn’t owned by fox, and Ryan and Wesley hated each other on blade trinity. I remember I commented on a video saying I think blade wouldn’t show up and I’m glad i was so wrong. Also with the scene where the tva agent gets eaten, it was apparently cut and I think tva agent is played by Rob Mcelhenney, who is Ryan Reynolds friend in real life and also had a show with him called welcome to wrexham, Rob also starred in its always sunny in Philadelphia, it makes sad his cameo got cut because he is so funny in it’s always sunny. Also when I saw the movie with my friends we got a trailer for a Chris Evan’s movie where he looked different, but I turned to my friend and said hey it’s captain America and he’s like “how did you know that he was on screen for 20 seconds” and I said he has a unique voice. Fast forward to when we are watching the movie and Johnny Storm appears wearing a hood and he spoke I was like “I think I know that voice but I need him to speak again just to be sure.” I just thought it was funny that I recognized Chris Evan’s in a trailer for some Christmas before seeing him in Deadpool and Wolverine
I thought about it and I bet the reason why Wesley was a jerk on set was because of his character being replaced by Ryan Reynolds and Jessica Biel. Jealousy I guess. And being pissed he wasn't the main character of his own movie. Same issue that marvel seems to be having with the blade script right now.
When it comes to the sling ring, I think the way it’s supposed to work is that the void at the end of time isn’t for any particular universe, but instead that’s where all of time converges to a single point where every timeline leads into the void, and that’s why no matter what timeline you’re in if something gets pruned it all appears in the same void, so that being said the infinity stones from any universe can work in the void since technically it’s still in the same time stream.
I honestly think the Thor thing was an intentionally doctored TVA footage by Paradox to manipulate Wade into thinking they'll make him into a hero like Iron Man who scrifices himself. Rehashing Deadpool 1 Ajax plot point kind of.
To me the “meta” theme is that it’s not about the X-men or Deadpool being in the MCU that matters, what matters is that the characters being represented are being done with the upmost care. This movie doesn’t read like a “we need Deadpool in the MCU to save the MCU!” It reads more like “we need people to understand even if this isn’t a full MCU movie, it’s still a good superhero movie, indicating “it’s not just our universe (MCU) that makes this stuff special, it’s all the history. It’s the fact that, when done right, anyone can make a good superhero movie.” If anything it feels MORE like a jab to Fox executives who shied away from the silliness of this franchise
Your theory on the multiverse/neighboring trees with their own branches makes the most sense. Loved Deadpool & Wolverine and all the Loki & TVA connectivity!
Adored it! One of the best Marvel Films I’ve seen in a while! I still wonder the extend of Loki’s control. Is he overseeing the ENTIRE Multiverse, or just the MCU timelines aka 616, X97, What If, etc. Anyway, excellent video as always!
I agree...the big question is what Loki is doing. My theory is that just keeping the 616 tree is order is a huge job. Also, if he was controlling the other universes, it seems he could find a way to prevent the upcoming incursions. But I agree, I think Marvel needs to definitively answer the question and DP&W wasn't really the movie to do that. However, I loved the movie for all that it gave us. Soooooo good. Can't wait to see it again!
Yeah, I try my best to do it in one take. Every now and then I have to edit out a stumble, but I've found that doing it without a pre-written script and speaking instead as a fellow MCU fan discussing things with friends works alot better. Really appreciate you watching and sharing your positive feedback. Thanks so much!
For the topic or 2 Wolverines and 2 Lauras, it makes sense for there being 2 of each so that the events of Logan can still play out the way it needs to. Either that or the 2018 date of Deadpool 2 needs to be retconned to be further in the future.
Yeah, it's just so confusing, but I agree, one of the two things you said needs to happen. But I honestly don't like either one. If there are 2, then it's possible things might end up differently due to there being a second Wolverine in the timeline. Heck maybe someone tries to prevent the original one from dying. But if Deadpool set is after 2029, then the world is in a very strange place due to what happens in Logan and Colossus would be acting differently, it seems. Just hurts my head!
Few pointers. If Deadpool and Wolverine took place in 2024 and Logan, we know take place in 2029 where Logan dies, it’s why Universe 10005 is going out of existence. They might be using the same idea from the comic as when an incursion occurs, at the point of incursion, the whole universe gets wiped out but it’s a cascading effect going both ways, it’s NOT instant, so all of the future still remains, as we saw Captain America in the comic was able to travel so far into the future via the Time Stone. It also implies all of the past still remain as well because we saw Doctor Doom with the help of Molecule Man was able to travel back 25 years into the past. So here, Logan dies in 2029, let’s say that’s the Incursion Point, and Deadpool and Wolverine takes place in 2024, Paradox said it’s may take up to 1000 years until the timeline, I guess the whole universe gets wiped out. So technically they can still travel upward to of 1000 years into that future of timeline and everything will still look okay. Same way they can travel all throughout the branching timelines associated with universe 10005, nothing will have look out of place. The Anchor Being concept, I think you are right and they intentionally made it very meta, I think it’s also same way how Molecule Man supposedly works during the whole Secret Wars build up. If a Molecule Man dies in one universe, that universe gets wiped out. And there’s a Molecule Man in every universe. So instead of a Molecule Man from comic, we have Anchor Beings. So in the Scared Timeline, if they implies Tony being an Anchor Being, with his death in Endgame, nothing in the MCU seem off right. Probably because it’s won’t be a long time until the timeline gets wiped away. Unless we see some sort of Accelerant that gets introduce into the MCU that will speed up that process. - So Cassandra Nova, got to be one of my favorite villain in the MCU. The way she speaks, her demeanor, her power. The whole fingers shoving into the brain. She was really well done. So the shirtless Wolverine, I mean it’s an MCU movie so we gotta have that for sure. And Shaw Levy did confirm it’s the real Huge JACKman. I mean if you seen all the workout videos Hugh did while filming this movie, it’s legit. As for future set ups. I think it’s no question Ryan Deadpool and Hugh Wolverine will have huge parts in future Avenger movies. Until the end of Multiverse Saga, we might not get a new definitive Wolverine, imo, Huge Wolverine never been better in the role than he is now. Super suits and all. I’m more interested in their potential solo outings. Deadpool potential team up with Thor? And Wolverine, we got to see that fight with Hulk for sure. and that’s definitely Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk from 2012 Avengers, Deadpool even did that Loki’s speech calling Hulk a dulling creature before getting smashed. I can see B-15 having bigger supporting role in either Deadpool and/or Wolverine future solo/team ups movie, seeking out Deadpool and/or Wolverine help to fight beings that threshing the multiverse, timelines, etc. Throughly enjoyed the movies, can’t wait to see what’s next for these two.
Saw the movie with my brother today, and i absolutely loved it. Wade and Logans dynamic, the performances, especially Jackman and Reynolds, the humor, the meta jokes, the action, the fact that it actually earns its R rating, everything. I love this movie, and yes, i also loved the cameos. Especially Evans as Johnny Storm and Snipes as Blade, i was not expecting either of them, especially Blade since that wasn't even a Fox film, but i still loved it anyways, i even went "No Freaking Way" in the theater when he came on screen, only i didnt say freaking. Lol. What i love about the cameos too apart from the meta humor and the fact they actually play into the story, is that they kindof play into the themes as well. Not only do they represent a different era of marvel. Blade represents the 90s, Johnny and Elektra represent the 2000s, Laura represents the 2010s, Cavill represents a potential future, and Gambit represents what never was. But also, they play into the themes of giving franchises a conclusion (which is why, yes, i do agree, Mr. Paradox could be a stand-in for Studio executives, and the anchor thing could have a meta subtext to it) but also being a love letter to the late 90s/2000s Era of Marvel, mainly the Fox films. Which with that, is another reason why they work so freaking well. Also, love the tribute to fox that played during the credits, and to music used in Seinfeld no less, which was icing on the cake. Loved it, loved it, loved it. Also, also, weird seeing how young Hugh was in that archive footage. But yeah, i do agree, i wish they explained the Anchor thing better, as that was one of my only problems with the movie, too. However, i believe since this Wolverine and Deadpool became Earth-10005 Anchor beings, i believe this means Logan of Earth-10005 that we knew from X-Men 2000 to Logan may have been merged into this Logan in the film, kindof like what DC was going to do with Keatons Batman in the original ending of the Flash, before the DCEU fell apart. Idk about Laura though, also, kindof wish Gambit, Blade, and Elektra were also at the table in that ending scene but oh well. Also, also, sadly no Disney Princess roast scene, but i knew it wouldn't happen (and it probably would not make any sense anyways) though maybe that can be its own thing, like a special presentation or something. But yeah, anyways, solid and fun film, plan on seeing it again, very well paced too, definitely deserves a 9.5/10.
Fantastic commentary on the film. I agree with everything you said (including the fact that we needed that Disney Princess roast scene). Such a good movie!
For me this was the first project to do for really a multiversal adventure, where characters quite different from each other and above all forgotten (an excellent metaphor to give a final farewell to the Fox universe) find themselves in the "landfill" place per excellence, the void, a true purgatory of the multiverse. And whoever decides to be bad (Cassandra Nova's side) takes possession of something that doesn't exist and does it only because he failed to do it in his universe or just didn't have the chance to do it (this is clearly Cassandra's characterization, as well as his personal revenge against his brother). Instead, those who decide to rebel, heroes who couldn't or didn't have the chance to save their worlds, strangely thanks to the will of Deadpool and Wolverine, two characters who at the beginning of the movie are destroyed by their own failure, have the chance to show themselves for a last time and demonstrate the heroes they can be, despite being part of a legacy, the Fox one, now ready to disappear. In fact, the whole movie is a story of assert, the one between Deadpool and Wolverine. Deadpool saves his world, his family and makes it clear that unlike the plan Paradox had in mind, universes can coexist, the anchor is not an absolute thing and that even metaphorically becoming part of the sacred timeline it is not an obligation. Wolverine on the other hand, like all the "heroes" in the void, by maturing his own failure helps to save what is still saveable, and in fact in that beautiful phrase said by B-15, which is also right because this is how the TVA should do it , Logan understands that you can't fix the universe, but you can "fix" yourself, and that's what he did, thanks also to a character as antihero and bizarre as Deadpool. Because yes, this movie proves that even antiheroes like Deadpool and underdogs like the Wolverine of this movie can have relevance in this great little multiverse. Honestly, I'm glad I didn't see all the possible cameos, especially regarding the X Men, because otherwise the sense of Secret Wars event would be lost, and above all they would have taken away the focus on the protagonists and the path they take. Several things regarding the TVA and the anchor issue are still to be explained and not to be ignored for subsequent movies, but the proposed adventure and the heart given to the two protagonists really made this movie fun and exciting, and this was certainly an excellent start to really show the potential of characters and curious dynamics in the multiverse thanks to the void. However, as regards the alternative versions of the two protagonists, it was clearly a bizarre and fun game to watch, and given the tone of the movie, it absolutely fits.
Just saw the movie yesterday and I had a ton of fun. So many cameos. It was absolutely mind-blowing. You should’ve also seen me jamming to the needle drops lol.
I feel like anchor beings could be something brought up again in secret wars/doomsday. If a war world is created in these movies it could be made out of universes with missing anchor beings, as they could be more easily manipulated and forced together. And it could be the reason that 616 gets dragged in, if Tony was it's anchor being it's now opened up to what could be Doom's plan.
I love the jokes about Gambit just being there, especially when Deadpool says “Are you sure that you wanted to be called that [Gambit] but you were never really given a chance?” and in the same scene when Deadpool asks them how they got there, Gambit says “Maybe I was born here”, a reference to the undeveloped Gambit movie. Lol 😂 I was just laughing my ass off at this. It was so funny. Even Deadpool roasts Fox for their crappy decisions. Imagine if Channing Tatum was like Ryan Reynolds and advocated for his own movie. We would be having three Gambit movies by now. 🤣
6:30 Ummm, in DP2 Cable gave up his last charge to return to his wife and daughter in the future to save DP from being shot. So while it may not be able to go from universe to universe, it clearly was able to go back and forth in time.
Good point...not sure why Negasonic focused on reversing time and not going forward in time in her quote, but you are correct that it can go both directions.
Thanks for your patience. I really apologize for it taking so long. Been a crazy, crazy few days...but in a good way. Hope you liked the breakdown. Thanks so much for watching!!
I like the part when Deadpool talks about the multiverse been having missed after missed, referring to post-endgame projects that went mediocre recently.
Really fun review - thank you. Surprised you didn't mention Wolverine pulling over his comic accurate mask for the final battle scenes or the credit scene love letter of behind the scenes of the old Fox movies - I thought that was a nice, nostalgic touch. I think Channing Tatum has a line about his cancelled Gambit movie; something like: "Some stories never told" lol The jokes and digs were crazy in this movie.
Great points! I should have mentioned the mask for Wolverine as that was so cool to finally see it on him. And yeah, those credit scenes were so touching. It brought back so many memories watching them. What a great way to honor all the Fox movies over the last 24 years!
I love the whole anchor being idea because of how meta it is. The TVA seems like this omnipotent organization in-universe but they still have “theories” per se about phenomena like universes dying. They don’t actually know that there’s a plane of reality above them (real world or maybe the She Hulk’s interpretation of the real world) where studio executives cancel franchises and actors retire, so they have to create their own in-universe explanations for these phenomena. Really reminds me of the metanarratives of Undertale and Deltarune, if anyone is familiar with those games.
it’s a shame they killed her off. I don’t like the fact that they have killed almost every single villain off at the end of these movies besides promising ones like Loki and even for one movie, Thanos. i felt like Emma Corrin gave such a great performance of Cassandra and really made her her own person outside of the villain persona the character was put in that i genuinely thought she was gonna live alongside Deadpool and Wolverine at the end and wander back into the Void where she’ll remain to regain her powers and become stronger so she can come back for future movies, especially for the MCU X-men movies. I just think she would’ve been a great X-men mcu movie villain
I think what Deadpool and Wolverine did at the end of the movie regenerated the X-Men universe into an amalgamation of all the movies. I also think this is the X-Men universe that Monica landed in at the end of the Marvels
Interesting...I thought he said 1000, but if he did say 2000 I'd be down for that as well. Definitely a long time in either case. Thanks for pointing that out!
39:03 I think conceptually you’re right, but they’re going to take their time before avengers versus X-Men, so that the general audiences who haven’t seen the old movies can get new stories in the X-Men universe with new actors like the fantastic four before universes collide
Also I don’t think Loki is in charge of the TVa . I think he’s maintaining the growth of 616 tree but he doesn’t control the day to day operations of the TvA bureaucracy. I think people are assuming he’s in control and missed the whole subtext of the Loki series. This version of Loki has found his real glorious purpose which is >not one of a RULER . He’s a protector not a ruler . Someone else . Maybe B15 is running the new TVA .
There's a possibility when they say six years later. It could have been 6 years later from Deadpools point of view. He traveled to 616 universe in 2018. 6 years later from Deadpools point of view, it could still happen after the events of logan in his universe
Yeah, the timeline is indeed very confusing. I think he was saying he went to the MCU shortly after the post credit scenes in Deadpool 2 and then he destroyed Cable's device soon after. Since DP 2 seems to be in 2018, that's why I think DP&W is in 2024. But it's okay that it happens prior to Logan in 2029, as Deadpool's 4th wall breaking let's him know about movies that came out before his. And Logan's death in 2029 rippled forwards and backwards through time, meaning all of 10005 would eventually die. At least that's my take on it. I agree, it's all pretty confusing as the X-Men timelines are such a mess overall. Great movies, but very messy timeline.
It seems like DP&W happens after Logan died. Which means either Logan's death has just been retconned to having happened much earlier (say, 2024), or DP&W happens in 2029. If DP&W is set in 2029, then it retcons all the DP movies to happen a few years after their real-world release. So, we do know Wade visits Earth 616 in 2018, and that DP&W happens 6 years later. The only explanation is that Earth 10005 is 5 years ahead of Earth 616. So, Earth 616 would be in 2018 while Earth 10005 would be in 2023. Maybe Jesus was born 5 years prior or that Earth has a different event for its year 1.
When they are talking Logans death, the graphic shows the death of Logan and then reverberating back through the timeline. The visual accompanied with Paradox explanation led me to believe that the death of Logan leads to the destruction of the ENTIRE timeline, not just the a bookend, but an unraveling of the entire thing. This would mean the death of an anchor at any point would result in every point of the timeline beginning to unravel. Maybe the TVA just decided to grab deadpool from that moment in the timeline, as the entire thing is going to go kaput
Very good questions. I'm sorry for being so late to respond, but I think the other respondents nailed it. Logan is still in 2029, but DP&W is in 2024 and the death of Logan as the "anchor being" reverberates through time and destroys everything before and after the current 2024 setting of DP&W. At least, that's how I interpreted it. It was pretty tricky to follow, tbh.
I kind of wish it got better explained in the movie but here's how I see it. Timelines and universes are the same, each timeline can have branches, creating alternate and parallel timelines/universes. If these alternate/parallel timelines/universe keep branching, they will eventually create a completely new timeline separate from the original. Each timeline and it's branches have an anchor being, if they die, the timeline and the branches connected to it will slowly fade into nothing. If separate timelines get to close to each other, and start branching into each other, they will eventually collide, causing incursions . Another quick note is that I think while Anchor beings are connected to a timeline and it's branches, absolute points are only specific to an individual branch/timeline, explaining Christine Palmer dying being a absolute point in one branch but not another. I think this also could explain why now MCU and the X-Men universes are finally interacting. Since the MCU sacred timeline is now able to expand infinitely thanks to Loki, it's now starting to hit other timelines previously unable to get to as it was isolated by He Who Remains. Anyways, that's just how I interpret it. Also I think this movie is sort of hinting at X-Men vs Avengers. I could see an incursion happening between Deadpools universe and the MCU causing a battle for the two. I think this was setup as currently in the Deadpool universe, all the X-Men are still active and we have a new wolverine there, setting it up to maybe be explored more.
Good theories on universes and timelines. I really hope we get more clarity in future multiverse movies, such as Fantastic 4. Fingers crossed. And yeah, I hope we get an Avengers vs. X-Men story. That would be so cool!
Mr. Paradox is literally named "paradox", so he what he says and does is suppose to be contradicting itself. This film shows that caring about every lore detail and complicated multiverse, though important for the world building, it is not the only element that makes a movie or frenchise successful. Deadpool shows that important thing is also having good story and well written characters i.e. "anchor beings". Matter and anti-matter, serious Wolverine and funny Deadpool, sticking to the rules and having fun: on the surface coexisting of these would be a paradox, but they are needed for a success.
I totally agree...I feel things like anchor beings were more meant as meta references than to be taken seriously. I could be wrong, but I suspect we'll never hear that term again. Excellent commentary on the movie. It was just a fun movie (a REALLY fun movie) that never wanted us to take it too seriously. We were supposed to laugh and have a good time, and in that regard it succeeded with flying colors!
One critique I have with the mcu “Tva” it seems timelines and universes are one and the same. Which doesn’t make sense. Because Ryan’s time device is for time travel only.. not universe. Tva then says he is traveling through time but they are different universes and not timelines. Every wolverine looked different and had different logic
It's easy to explain, Deadpool already has the ability to see other realities without external tech (unlike the TVA). That's why he can make meta commentary in-universe and break the 4th wall. Cable's device and the TVA pad enabled him to harness that ability and move across both timelines and universes since it's basically a GPS.
@@coolo73 I understand that I’m saying “Loki “Doctor strange 2” “no way home” all have their own logic of the multiverse. This movie follows loki but the only problem is timelines and universes aren’t different. Because they say oh you from another other. We’ll that’s not a different timeline , that would be a Different universe. If you are short in one universe and tall in another.. that has nothing to do with time at that point because you would of always been tall or short regardless. Tva really doesn’t change time, they change universes. Which is crazy to think they have the easy ability to do that because if that’s the point… America Chavez isn’t that special then
Yeah, the metaphysics in Deadpool movies are always abit unreliable. Cable's device should only allow him to reverse time, yet in DP 2 he jumps to a branched timeline to kill the crappy Deadpool and jumps to (it seems) the real world where he kills Ryan Reynolds. Then in DP&W, he jumps all the way to the 616. None of that makes sense, but Deadpool does as Deadpool pleases, it seems. However, once he gets the TVA device, I suspect he's only jumping to branches. Each Wolverine can look really different if the branch in the X-men timeline occurred long before Logan was born, for example. So that could result in very different looking Wolverines. Or at least that's my guess as to how that worked. Anyway, it's all pretty weird when Deadpool is in charge of a movie. lol!
@@AbitofEverything4U my only thing is .. are they timelines or different universes because marvel makes them sound one and the same I’m already confused about Asgard either being a planet in space or a realm within space which makes no sense
Imma be honest the pronunciation of a lot of actors and characters names have been throwing me off here where I’m like “wait have I been saying it wrong?” And then just being “nah it can’t be”
If we accept that Logan was the “anchor being” of E-10005, and that once he died in Logan, the universe started to disappear (which Paradox is trying to rush), then there would have to be some kind of existential process that prevents Logan from being brought back to life again, and that would include via time travel. In this particular case, since Cable traveled from a future where Logan had died, and he traveled to 2018 when Logan should /technically/ still be alive, then perhaps some reality-warping occurred, and even though Logan doesn’t actually die until 2029, because Cable came from a time after his death, Logan was then metaphysically “removed” from this 2018 to prevent any paradoxes from taking place and potentially altering or preventing his death. This, combined with his ability to break the fourth wall, makes Wade aware of the events of Logan in DP2 and D&W, and thus Logan is treated as dead, even if he should be alive strictly by timeline rules. By this logic, when Wade and our new Logan destroy the time-ripper and wind up re-anchoring earth-10005, this makes it so there’s still only one Logan existing in the present, and we don’t have to deal with multiple Wolverines running around at the same time! (This connects to a larger theory of mine about how the timeline of the multiverse is all based on the timeline of our real-world reality and how these fictional realities get released in different orders, but that’s a much larger discussion!)
An anchor being is in the comics. It’s the role that the molecule man plays in secret wars. Molecule man’s death made an explosion so big, it knocked the universe into another, causing the first incursion which caused a domino affect in the multiverse. This was a bomb put into EVERY molecule man in every universe. The bombs were placed inside molecule men by the beyonders as an experiment. A sick, twisted one
I think anchor beings are people that are just SO important for that universe that they are not supposed to die unless they die from age Also, Feige stated Strange was MCUs anchor being
Great feedback! Yeah, I recently found that quote from Feige on Dr. Strange. I'm assuming you are referring to when he spoke at Benedict's Hollywood star ceremony? If so, I'll discuss it in my next vid. I do think he using the word anchor differently in that case, but more to come on that.
You've referenced the she-hulk show several times during this video essay, but didn't consider that it's magician with a sling ring might have wandered into the void.
29:25-I think this was an instance of Ryan Reynolds trolling us due to the early leaks. He also "leaked" a Predator in The Void as being a cameo but it didn't happen
I think with the Kevin-looking device that maybe it’s Deadpool doing what She-Hulk did in the last episode of that show, and going back to re write what has happened in order to suit him. I.e., Johnny didn’t originally say all those things but Deadpool changed it so he was right. This could be why it is word for word exactly what Deadpool said to Cassandra, and not that Deadpool has just a really very good memory haha
My small little theory is that reality (almost like a meta physical being) knows that wolverine is the anchor being as soon as he is born. And my theory is that that is the moment that 10005 starts to decay and slowly die. Because even though wolverine does live for a very long time, he is still mortal, and will eventually die. And i remember that paradox said in the movie that normally it does it take a thousand years for a world to officially die. I personally dont believe that a world starts to die when the anchor being dies, but actually when theyre initially born, and the clock has started ticking
I think the anchor being is them trying to comprehend the phenomenon of the franchise falling apart after a character or actor leaves from the point of view of a character in that universe, very Grant Morrison Animal Man style metaphysical stuff
It’s definitely ruffalo’s hulk but it’s not ruffalo himself, also isn’t it cool that cavillrine is the only non jackman wolverine variant, only time we’ve seen this so far is in Loki with the Lokis and spiderman but that’s more meta-textual, I’d say binary but she has to be named Carol Danvers for it work the same way
Yeah, it sure seemed like Ruffalo's hulk, which is cool. And I do love that all the variants were Hugh, other than Henry. My guess is that particular timeline branched early enough that it resulted in a very different looking Wolverine. Such an awesome movie!
I think the main Wolverine’s universe is a branch on the animated X-Men “tree”, which would explain why his suit is comic accurate. Plus, the X-Men that he mentioned, along with Professor X, are members of the team in the show. As for how this universe works in relation to the “main” animated X-Men universe, it’s only mentioned throughout the film that he failed his world, not that he destroyed it, so it doesn’t affect the “main” universe in any major way. Plus, it probably means that the universe that Deadpool found that Wolverine in is actually his home universe anyway, hence why the bartender told Wolverine that he wasn’t welcome anywhere. As for what Wolverine leaving his home universe means, it shouldn’t cause the entire tree to start withering away since he doesn’t seem to be the anchor being/a major character in the animated series anyway. Though whether it might cause an incursion or not, we might have to wait and see how they’ll handle it in X-Men ‘97.
P.S., I recently found this video which shows Logan as a movie playing in Deadpool’s universe. ruclips.net/video/Z5ezsReZcxU/видео.html If this is canon, this could explain how Deadpool has that toy portraying Logan’s death. Maybe X-Men Origins: Wolverine is also a movie that exists in this universe, hence why Deadpool also has a toy version of his Weapon XI variant from the film. Maybe the entire Wolverine trilogy is actually a film franchise in Deadpool’s universe, since all of those films take place in alternate universes according to the Marvel wiki, and the X-Men of Deadpool’s universe are shown to have become popular by the time of Dark Phoenix, so it would work. This is actually kinda funny when you realize that Deadpool is aware of all this since he knows he is in a film franchise to begin with.
Cool theory about there being a tie with X-Men '97. I'd be down for that. As for Wolverine creating an incursion, my guess is that since all of the branches are connected to the main 10005 branch, that it won't cause an incursion for him to now be in Deadpool's branch. It's kinda like how in the What If episodes they can jump between branches without issue. Oh, and that video was really funny. The idea of Logan playing in Wade's universe is very meta and sooooo Deadpool!
Regarding the anchor being, it seems like a massive self-sacrifice can restore the universe and set a new anchor being, now being Deadpool. So even if Tony is the MCU's anchor being, we may get a new anchor being through the narrative.
I just wanted to say; that kid called him Wolverine because he knows what Wolverine looks like from X-men in the comics, probably in a similar outfit. The same comic that Laura was showing Logan in the Logan movie, suppose they happen in the same universe.
I think the reason Logan is an anchor being is because he is the one who time traveled in DoFP. Also I agree that it’s because he’s the star of the franchise.
You mentioned around 18:00 that Deadpool’s universe looks like an actual universe that’s not branched off of Lokis tree, but maybe that’s not because it is a separate universe from the 616 tree, which if you look at my comment on your recent Deadpool and Wolverine video, but because it’s all a part of the same Multiverse just medium sized branches branching off of the sacred timeline and then more little branches branching off of these different universes. And the reason why the screens look like the old ways of how a timeline looks paradox and his team wants to go back to the old ways of the TVA, so they designed these screens and scopes to look like how things were when in reality the screens would look like Loki’s tree
Also, another words with paradox not liking how the TV runs things after Loki season two, that’s a metaphor for people that grew up in like the 50s or 60s not liking how society is so they can decorate their own house on how things used to be. So again that’s why the screens look like the old way they used to handle the sacred timeline.
Excellent feedback! Yeah, I think at this point that all theories are valid, since Marvel hasn't made it crystal clear yet. But for all the reason I mention in this video, as well as the "History of the Multiverse" video that I tagged in your earlier comment, I really think Marvel is indicating a multiple tree scenario. Hopefully the Fantastic Four movie will answer all our questions. Thanks again for the awesome feedback on the vid. Really appreciate you taking the time to share it!
This movie was awesome! One of my favorite we're the credits, showing the behind scenes of the Fox Marvel movies. As a kid from the 2000s, those movies we're my first indroduction to the X-Men characters and seeing this tribute made me really just emotional.
The movie kind of contradicts Multiverse of Madness and Spiderverse rules where it's supposedly disastrous to spend too much time outside of your timeline or to try to replace a version of you in a different timeline.
Yeah, the only thing I can guess is that it's not an issue regarding incursions since the Wolverine in the movie can from a branched timeline off of 10005. We learn in What If and in Endgame that you can travel between branches and it doesn't cause an incursion. However, going to an alternate universe (such as 838) does cause incursions. So that's my guess on what Wolverine can come to deadpool's timeline. Hope we get some definitive answers on it at some point!
I was really really hoping they would reference Old Man Logan and reveal that he killed all the X-Men because he got tricked by Mysterio. Imagine if we had all the original movie X-Men cameos and Jake Gyllenhaal for that.
"sent shivers down the timeline" = sent shivers down the viewers "A character of such importance that once dies your universe goes with it" = the only character your fans care about Wanna know a funny possible future twist? Deadpool could reveal that Iron Man WAS the anchor of 616 I mean he did say that naturally universe's take thousands of years to die post anchor being death So what if the MCU is just not seeing its effects? This is also a huge meta reference to "iron man and captain America are gone so now no one cares about the MCU" I really think that's what they're going for I saw it from the beginning at them using meta ideas and concepts and trying to use it within the world
Now that MCU at Comic Con SD announced Robert Downey Jr is returning for Secret War Phase that the actor is the Ultimate Anchor Being .Fans and Deadpool agree that after Marvel Endgame ( Tony Stark Sacrifice ) the studio has been in a downward spiral. This weekend the DP and Wolverine ticket sales is reaching a record for R-rated movie and RDJ announcement is proof of the Ultimate Being Theory
I feel an anchor being would make more sense if it’s not exclusively one person. Like Logan died after Charles and the entire X-Men already passed, so it makes sense for the timeline to be doomed once its out of essential superheroes, but then again Laura was going to carry on their will. On top of that, it would add to Wades disappointment in himself to not be considered important enough to secure his timelines lifespan
Very good points! It is surprising that Laura didn’t become the new anchor being. I think we were all expecting a sequel movie to Logan with her being the main star. And yeah, that would have made it all the more humorous that Wade didn’t get to be considered the anchor being. Thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
I just love your videos man. They's not just for the hype like a lot of popular MCU content yt channels. You actually put in effort and have a unique perspective.
Imo anchor beings aren’t necessarily the only beings in a said universe to hold the key to it’s entire existence. They rather portray a specific moment in time where if they don’t do a series of specific and impactful actions in a given time, a nexus event occurs, therefore labelling them as “anchors” that stop the nexus event from happening. I.e. Strange in Infinity War going through countless iterations to find the one where Iron Man (the anchor) saves the world. In this example, maybe Thanos is the anchor being in the 14M other iterations since he’s supposed to win those 14M other times. That being said, in D&W, Paradox knows that the absence of anchor beings in universes are nothing but catalysts for nexus events, but he uses the concept of anchors to brainwash Wade into thinking that nothing can save his universe. All this because Paradox might have already seen Deadpool in the future trying to save a Wolverine (an anchor) which would counter his plan to erase branches with the Time Ripper (a nexus event). A simple way to put my theory is that every nexus event has its anchor being holding it back, meaning there can be countless different anchor beings at different times in a same universe/timeline. Sorry for the long theory 😅
Cool theory! Yeah, I really do hope that they flesh out the concept of anchor beings in future MCU entries. It's possible that it was just a meta reference and therefore won't be mentioned down the line. But if it is a larger concept, then using theories like yours to flesh it out would be awesome!
I think having 2 Logans or Lauras isn't a problem. An incursion will only happen if something changes too drastically and the boundaries erodes. Think about bubbles, they touch yes but only with enough force will they merge to form a new bubble. And hey the TVA is keeping an eye anyway so if they think it's okay then it's perfectly fine. It's just a case of having doppelgangers. Logan and Laura might even get a tempad to get out of there when things are close to destabilizing if it ever comes to it.
Good points! Yeah, it will probably be fine, but it just seems so bizarre. Wonder if the two Wolverine's get together for a drink once and awhile. Would have alot to talk about!
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In terms of both Chronological order and a viewing order that makes sense chronologically (if that makes sense) I'd love to know if this makes sense?
97. Avengers: Endgame (2018-2023) Time Travel 1
98. Venom AND Post Credit Scene for Venom (October 2018-April 2019) Alternate Universe 5
99. The Daily Bugle S3 [E26-E29] (June 2019) Alternate Universe 6
100. Morbius AND Mid Credit Scene for Morbius (June 2019) Alternate Universe 6
101. Venom: Let There Be Carnage (October-November 2020) Alternate Universe 5
102. Caught in a Ham (Mid-November 2021 [starts 66 minutes before entrance in Spiderman Into the Spider-verse]) Alternate Universe 7
103. Spiderman Into the Spider-verse (Mid-November 2021) Alternate Universe 7
104. Spiderman Across the Spider-verse (March 2023) Alternate Universe 7
The Multiverse Saga
Phase Four
*105. Loki S1 AND Credit Scene(s) for Loki S1 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/Branched Universe travel 1*
106. Post Credit Scene for Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (July 24th [and days later] Outside of Time) Alternate Universe 8
*107. Loki S2 E1-4 AND Credit Scene(s) for Loki S2 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/Branched Universe travel 2.1*
108. What If…? Season 1 AND Post Credits for What If…? Season 1 (2023) Branched Universes 1-9
109. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S06 (Summer 2019) Branched Universe 10
110. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S07 (Summer 2019-Summer 2020) Branched Universe 10
*111. Loki S02 E5 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/ Branched Universe travel 2.2*
112. X-Men First Class (X-Men Timeline Order - 1962) Alternate Universe 9
113. X-Men Origins Wolverine (X-Men Timeline Order - 1979) Alternate Universe 9
114. X-Men Animated Series (X-Men Timeline Order - 1992-1996) Alternate Universe 9-2
115. X-Men ‘97 [Animated Series] (X-Men Timeline Order - 1997) Alternate Universe 9-2
116. X-Men (X-Men Timeline Order - 2003) Alternate Universe 9
117. X2 X-Men United (X-Men Timeline Order - 2003) Alternate Universe 9
118. X-Men The Last Stand (X-Men Timeline Order - 2006) Alternate Universe 9
119. The Wolverine (X-Men Timeline Order - 2013) Alternate Universe 9
120. The Gifted S1 (X-Men Timeline Order - 2017) Alternate Universe 9-3
121. The Gifted S2 (X-Men Timeline Order - 2018) Alternate Universe 9-3
122. X-Men Days of Future Past (X-Men Timeline Order - 2023 [1973]) Alternate Universe 9
123. X-Men Apocalypse (X-Men Timeline Order - 1983) Alternate Universe 9
124. X-Men Dark Phoenix (X-Men Timeline Order - 1992) Alternate Universe 9
*125. Deadpool (X-Men Timeline Order - 2016) Alternate Universe 9-1*
126. The New Mutants (X-Men Timeline Order - 2020) Alternate Universe 9
*127. Logan (X-Men Timeline Order - 2029) Alternate Universe 9*
*128. Deadpool 2 (X-Men Timeline Order - 2018 [2068]) Alternate Universe 9-1*
129. WandaVision AND Three Post Credit Scenes at the end of their respective episodes of WandaVision (7, 8, & 9) (November 2023)
130. Eternals AND Mid Credit Scene for Eternals AND Post Credit Scene for Eternals (Late 2023)
131. Post Credit Scene for Morbius (2024) Alternate Universe 6
*132. Loki S2 E6 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/ Branched Universe travel 2.3*
*133. Deadpool and Wolverine (March 2024 and combined with X-Men Timeline Order and Outside of time to officially create a new X-Men timeline aka heal the X-Men timeline) Alternate Universe 9-4*
134. Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings AND Mid Credit Scene for Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings AND Post Credit Scene for Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (April 2024)
I feel it works outside the other FOX X-men movies because Loki S2 seems to have needed to be watched in order to understand The TVA aspects of the story. And yet tying it loosly yet watchably into the core branch of the MCU timeline.
Personally I think when Hunter B15 said the timeline was better now she commented along the lines of healing the universe. I think while the 10005 universe, in-universe, is now cleaned up to the point of being able to join the MCU timeline and we don't have to worry about FOX timeline issues. People know Wolverine, but now this is Wolverine and not the one we knew in the FOX movies. Same with X-23. I'm not sure I like the idea of a resurected Wolverine, though, as that would mess with the _Logan_ timeline, and they said they didn't want to, anymore than the opening scene, which didn't change his death; resurecting him would, though.
I always assumed Negasonic Teenage Warhead and Yukio unintentionally reworked Cable's device when they fixed it to time travel other demensions. Perhaps it was intentional and that is why they were so worried about the fact that they handed it over to Wade. And considering The TVA didn't prune him for going to see Happy, that means it was meant to happen because it all leads to Wade, in-universe, playing an important part we still don't know about. It all adds another layer to how untrustworthy Parodox is with his lies and what he ends up doing. I think he wanted to get rid of Wade, and Anchor Beings (while being a metaphor for movie executives) was a way to get Wade to let his guard down long enough to be pruned while still following enough orders to not get caught doing all his rougue acts. The concept doesn't actually exist, in my opinion, but what Deadpool and Wolverine do, makes the X-Men universe healthier (or whatever the phrase was Hunter B15 used).
After listening to Feige on his definition of Anchor Beings, I think an assumption could be made for a few things: 1. By the end of The MCU (whenever that may be) we still won't see the universe dead because it will have taken longer than great great great granchildren not born yet, to die. 2. Or each Saga and/or Phase could each have their own anchor being (example Tony Stark). 3. Or considering the next Saga is going to be a starting point to all Marvel properties being usable in the MCU (and therefore a soft reboot), we still haven't seen an Anchor Being in 616. 4. I do think Wolverine dealing with his issues and becoming the hero shows you can replace an Anchor being, if they are real. At the end of the day its all just too metaphorical to matter much to any grander scheme past ending FOX X-Men to incorparate things officially into the MCU, whether they end up being real or not.
I can't remember if B15 knows what became of Loki in the tree or not, but if so it explains even more so, why she didn't like what he did; and if not she seems to be fixing the mistake of Paradox being in charge of anything.
I don't think Gambit, Elektra, or Blade are from 10005. I think they got pruned before The TVA changed how they do things. With the exception of Laura, as that wasn't too long ago, chronologically speaking.
Loki S2 said all Kangs had been rounded up. Unless shown otherwise, I'm assuming that means all Kangs are caught. Including everyone from the Quanumania end credit scene.
There are many sacred timelines like many loki trees a d there branches
The best thing about this film is Wesley Snipes as blade he still looks good and kicked ass
Of course Henry Freaking Cavill as Wolverine he was sexy handsome acted that scene out to pieces and it was epic
Chris evans as Johnny storm from the fantastic four original film
Wolverine still looks good
But I’ve always said if the only good thing about a film is the action scenes then no matter how good those scenes are it’s not a good film
And that’s how I feel about this film too many unnecessary fight scenes between Wolverine and Deadpool especially the Honda car scene it didn’t need to happen
But if you take away all the cameos and the fight scenes what are you left with nothing
Just a film that really isn’t about anything and not even the bigger mcu
It’ll make money but It won’t make a billion dollars
@@Buffy8Fan Wow...like, just wow. Excellent commentary. Loved all of it. As for your viewing order, it seems to work to me. Honestly, any order is okay, as I think the order is very dependent on the person. But your order doesn't have any issues that I can see.
@@Sean-bf3lh Well said!
Paradox in the movie says something along the lines of "we used to prune such timelines but apparently we don't do that anymore." So it has to take place after Loki season 2
I caught that too I’m glad they acknowledged that
Plus B15 being in a higher position
I think it's pretty obvious most if not all TVA workers don't know Loki is keeping the timelines together
I thought it was obvious it was after season 2
@@abzu235and I’m sure its designed that way.
One thing to keep in mind with the whole "why didn't X cause an incursion?" line of questioning, is that Reed was saying it was a *risk* of an incursion, not that it would definitely cause one. For example, think of a CD spinning in a portable player. A bit of shaking and everything is just fine, the built-in "anti-skip" handles it--this is someone taking a short visit into another universe. The longer the shaking goes on and the more intense it gets (or in this case the longer a foreign person stays in another universe and the more they impact events), the more likely a "skip" happens, which is an incursion. According to Clea, these can be fixed, but too severe an instance, and the whole thing breaks, damaging the "disk," or universe in this case.
But wolverines in fox universe forever now as an anchor being right? So eventually given what we know, there should be an incursion happening in that timeline
Deadpool reversed time. So his universe isnt an alternate timeline , its the original - even tho he originally died , he reversed it and his friends death. Then he reverse time back to origins , killing himself , but he also reversed back to 2009 before green latern, and since cable can return to his time , its implied the forward function sends you to the reverse time - which would be the original one u came to , not the new future.
Great point! I agree, it's a matter of how much time you spend in the other universe that causes the issue. And I guess it was fine if Wade was sent to 616 as Paradox suggested, since Paradox was then going to kill off his universe meaning there would be no chance of an incursion happening between 616 and 10005. Anyway, excellent explanation!
@@lightskinjayt2627 So, my guess is that Wolverine in the movie was from a branch of 10005, so he therefore won't cause an incursion. I think it's only when you go to an alternate universe that it's an issue.
@@KrazyStylez09 Man, that just makes my head hurt. Time travel is so confusing!
What i love about the deadpool franchise is that they made it their mission to fix the past mistakes of the fox universe and making the old characters comic accurate that were done wrong in the xmen movies first fixing deadpool and collosses then juggernaut and ending with fixing wolverine was the cherry on top
Well said...the Deadpool movies really did alot to improve upon the X-Verse characters and make me appreciate them even more!
Wolverine didn't need fixing
@@captainjakemerica4579 his suit did
@@caldervanvoorhis7786 okay well even then it really didn't matter Hugh Jackman did a great job despite not wearing the costume for 20 plus years
@@captainjakemerica4579 im not saying the acting was bad but in terms of comic accuracy u have to admit it was the one thing they didnt get right
After Paradox says he can’t replace Logan with “this”, he then says something like “I wouldn’t have taken any other Wolverine you brought, but you had to go and one up yourself and bring me the worst one.” So no, I don’t think an anchor could be replaced, at least not until the end of the movie after the time ripper was destroyed. Not really sure how that changed it though to be honest.
Good points...I wonder if the time ripper was reversed by Logan and Wade so that they partially re-wrote the timeline...like a mini version of the God of Stories?
my understanding of anchor beings is basically once the 'audience' loose interest, once the main attraction to a movie dies, and or once things are slowly forgotten about.. i.e Electra's solo movie. blade 1, 2 ,3. the undeveloped Gambit movie... the universe dies with that character or concept. it ceases to exist within the zeitgeist and there for becomes extinct. also why it takes 'a thousand years or so' as a reference to die hard fans never letting go of the thing they so loved. and having a hard time accepting any other portrayal of a character.
edit: example Tony Stark death.. everything in mcu since has been lack lustre and it has been rumoured the mcu is slowly fading, dying out... once Ironman as 616's Anchor being has died that universe slowly falls apart until it dies and they have to 'soft-reboot' to create a new attraction (most likely fantastic 4) with an incursion between two worlds colliding eventually leading to Doom and battle World
I agree 100%. I think it was more of a clever meta joke on the movie industry and connected universes dying when they lose their main star, rather than something that is to be taken as actual metaphysics logic in the MCU. I will honestly be surprised if the term ever surfaces again.
Everything lackluster? So you haven't watched Loki series, Spiderman No Way Home, Moon Knight, and more.
@@clipsdelosmajes I agree...those are great! I'd throw in WandaVision, Multiverse of Madness, Wakanda Forever, Guardians 3, X-Men 97, and DP&W
No way home was actually corny asf. Poor dialogue and forced interactions regardless of my admiration for Spiderman.
Moon knight is as forgettable as everything else the saving grace was oscar Issac being an elite actor.
Loki was pointless given it was setting up Kang to be the new big bag and a multiversal threat just to be absolutely undermined by ant man with last minute reshoots that killed prime kang (not to mention J.M controversy)
So yes. Everything has been lack-luster.
The one good thing to be released and to have actual relevance was guardians 3.
And now Deadpool and wolverine (which is also the weakest out of the now 3 DP films. Even though I love 3 to bits!)
MCU has been shit. Woke. Political and forgot how to be compliant story tellers while trying to juggle woke Hollywood whilst pandering to propaganda agenderists, politics they have no business dictating and deep throating us with gay/woke/female empowerment bs and totally incompetent staff hires. Whilst burning bridges with the people who built the MCU with passion and love.
We were literally one bad flop away from becoming the starwars universe and luckily chapec was smart enough to pull the rug, fire the woke and cut the production line of totally bs TV and movies.
Make the MCU great again!!
@@OwenMarshall-c5q Yeah, uh, we are not continuing this discussion. Since it's obvious what your actual problems are. And no, the list I mentioned doesn't have anything "woke". Also no, Loki wasn't to setup Kang, that was the work of other movies, it was to setup all the timelines and how the work and how Loki would bring order to the disorder that had been created. But either way, as I said, there's no point since i just read the most conservative comment I have ever seen.
Deadpool dreaming of thor confirms in at least one reality he is with thor. Given what we have learned from multiverse of madness.
Wow, I never thought about it like that 😂
I think it's in the future. Interesting that Paradox confirmed Wade is important for the sacred time-line.
Great point!!!
Taking about Cable's device "I'll let that slide" ... I see what you did there, well played.
I also agree with you 100%, the Loki season 1 episode 5 line was my favorite joke in the movie as well.
Yeah, that line was so funny to me...my son loved it, too!
Ok after seeing the film twice and comparing the notes from Loki, Quantumania, What If, Multiverse of Madness, Thor the Dark World, GotG, Eternals and even Dark Phoenix. I think I have a good understanding of what the Multiverse is and where Deadpool's 10005 comes in.
Before the 616, time, and space, there was a black void with the Dark Elves. Then the 4 cosmic entities created the Infinity Stone causing the Big Bang, creating the follow of time. The Celestials then filled the virgin Universe/Multiverses with everything.
However, things are different in 10005. "Because it's the spark that gave life to the universe and the flame that consumed my world." ―Vuk. The Phoenix Force created the Fox universe, does that mean no Infinity Stones, Eternity and the other Cosmic Entities? Idk.
Loki S1 goes on to show us giant black holes, each containing a timeline ring (some call it a bush). We learn that other Kang variants come from these BH. He Who Remains weaponized Alioth, made the TVA, the Loom, and the Sacred Timeline to stop the Multiversal War. So, yes, the BH are the Multiverse. 616 is just 1 universe. Or Multiverse.
Michael Wauldren said in an interview on the official Marvel Website about Loki S1 that multiple Multiverses exist. Also the Sacred Timeline is it's own Multiverse. We see what this means in Loki S2, as the Loom keeping 616 together breaks causing a Multiverse to formed from infinite timeline branches growing. This makes sense as a multiverse is a collection of multiple universes and timelines in Loki are universes in of themselves. So when What If calls the Tree Loki forms a Multiverse, it isn't wrong, it's just not the whole Multiverse. Wauldren goes on to call the collection of every BH the "Greater Multiverse".
We hear in behind the scenes that America is special for being able to travel the Multiverse. Yet in What If Wanda and other characters cross timelines fine. That's because travel between timelines and travel between BHs is different. What If timeline hopping seems to not cause incursions. However, MoM says travel between BH universe do cause Incursions. This also lines up with HWR description of the Multiversal War.
Loki establishes that branched timelines are labeled as universe # . # Ex: 616.203. However, 838 and 10005 aren't labeled like that. So how does the TVA monitor 10005. At the end of S2, the TVA started monitoring for other Kangs and S1 established Kangs come from other BH. This was also backed up in Quantumania which is referenced in S2. Therefore after S2, the TVA started monitoring possibly every BH for Kangs. (Ok but real talk how do they deal with Kangs, do they prune them, I feel like that wouldn't stop Kang)
So is Deadpool and 10005 apart of the 616 tree. No, it's seperate. 616 is only itself and it's branches.
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Love it! I agree with all of that. If you haven't seen my "history of the multiverse" video, you might check it out: ruclips.net/video/kS-v8GA4Wzc/видео.html. I said alot of the same things. We are totally on the same wavelength. So cool!
@@AbitofEverything4U It's a great video, I agreed with the points you made after reviewing the content myself.
Thanks!!!
The thumbnail caught me off guard 😭
Yeah its very……subjective
Oh, my apologies...was it a bad thumbnail? I just loved that visual from the movie.
@@AbitofEverything4U No ! The thumbnail amazing just it just came up in my feed while scrolling .
@@ayushhh5213 Niiiice! Glad that RUclips sent it your way!
I really think the Punisher they talk about was originally going to be alive and on the team with these other 2000s marvel characters and that he was going to be the Ray Stevenson version of the character until his death, I think it’s no coincidence that the car that the writers chose has enough room for at least 1 other person in it
I have to agree. That's probably also the reason for The Russian from War Zone, complete with the red and white striped shirt. That one took me a minute to figure out. Crazy that Stevenson didn't come to mind until seeing your comment.
Yeah, it does indeed feel like there was gonna be a punisher appearance. Bummer. RIP Ray!
@@ghiggs8389 I think that the rocket launcher they used was from War Zone, but the Russian was a Thomas Jane villain from the 2004 film, iirc.
@@AbitofEverything4U those movies blend together for me, I've seen them each once a long time ago.
@@ghiggs8389 Totally agree...they do indeed blend together!
Henry Cavill is such a good choice for wolverine
*Cavill
Yeah, I'd be totally down with him being the new Wolverine!
@@ellisalinea4777 that age of apocalypse Wolverine was p swwwwweeeeeeeeeetttttttt to me
Funny even Wade acknowledging that, "To be honest this makes a lot of sense" lol
Not my top choice but he's also in contention to be James Bond so we'll see
After last night's announcement of RDJ playing a Victor von Doom variant, I think the most important thing to come out of this movie is actually Chris Evans' cameo and establishing that different individuals (in this case, Johnny Storm and Steve Rogers, and for Doomsday, Tony Stark and Victor Von Doom) can have Variants that are identical to each other. This is also a great way of explaining actors who've played multiple roles in the MCU, like Mahershala Ali playing Cottonmouth and Blade. Their MCU Variants just happen to look identical AND exist in the same universe. The Multiverse is very weird, since there's even one universe where TWO variants of the same person co-existed. (Jessica Jones, to be specific. One with her standard powers and an adult going by Knightress, and a teenager with Rogue's absorption powers going by Jewel.)
Great points! Yeah, the situation with RDJ is definitely showing the power of the multiverse. Gonna be very interesting to see his take on Dr. Doom!
For this Wolverines backstory he didn't just go to a bar and missed the massacre of the X-Men. Him going to the bar was when it happened, but the true backstory is that he distanced himself from the X-Men instead of embracing them as friends and family. Wolverine being the powerhouse he is could maybe have saved them if he had chosen not to be a drunk and a loner. That is why he is wearing his yellow suit because it reminds him of them (he could also maybe wear the suit as a punishment for his failures). This shows that he made a mistake to not embrace them and be better and that's why he feel such guilt (and also not for being able to control his rage that killed a lot of innocent people).
I love that...I think you are 100% correct on that. Very good analysis!
1) A correction, E-10005 X-23 would be six during DP&W, because she was born in 2018, and was 11 in Logan.
2) I don't think E-10005 is a "tree", I don't think most universes are. Yes, it can still be called that because it's a universe which is a collection of 'branching' timelines (branch, tree, plant metaphors). But I think 616/199999 is uniquely tree-shaped or rather Yggdrasil-shaped BECAUSE it's being held together by Loki, but not all universes have a Loki certainly not all holding their universes together. The only reason 616 Loki is there doing what he's doing is because of HWR's failsafes on the Loom that basically ensure the whole thing dies/rips to shreds if he isn't the last one standing.
3) I think the guest characters are from different universes than E-10005. As for the designations, while they aren't always reliable, they're certainly not fan creations, they come from the Official Marvel Handbooks. Not accounting for the possibility that they could themselves be variants just played by the same actors (such as JJJ in Tobey's Spider-Man and the MCU), Blade should be from E-26320 and Elektra should be from E-701306. As for Johnny, I'm not quite sure he actually IS the same Johnny from the 2005 films. The suit/4 logo doesn't match up, and sure you could chalk that up to time passing/new suits, but then there's also the fact he has a Boston accent, which Johnny in the old films never did. I also don't think the old Tim Story F4 should be written off just yet for Secret Wars.
4) My biggest one and most interesting one: aside from Wolvy, we don't see any more X-Men in this movie than we do in the first two Deadpool films (and I'm excluding DP2's brief gag cameo). It's just Colossus, Negasonic and Yukio. Every other mutant we see in the void (Pyro, Toad, Sabretooth, Azazel, etc) is either a Brotherhood member or not affiliated with any group. There were all these talks and interviews and rumors and yet -- we did not even get a "third act flashback" to James Marsden, Famke Janssen, Halle Berry, Patrick Stewart, Anna Paquin, Ian McKellen... none of them. Combine that with the film ending with DP remaining in 10005 and Kelsey Grammar's appearance in The Marvels and I begin to think that this might be more of the comedic standalone appetiser to a larger meal.
Awesome feedback!
1. Yeah, I can't believe I said she was 1. I was doing quick math and chose the 2018 date for DP 2 rather than the 2024 date for DP&W. D'oh!
2. Agree 100%. I've started called the X-men universe more like a briar patch than a tree, as that's what it seems to be.
3. I do like the idea of Elektra and Blade being from different universes than 10005. That makes alot of sense. As for saying the fan made universes aren't always reliable, I was more referring to the fact that many fan sites listed Logan as being a different earth designation than Deadpool's, but this movie seemed to confirm Logan was in the same timeline as Deadpool. Honestly, I've never quite understood why timelines are given different earth designations by fans, such as giving the OG X-Men timeline a different designation than the revised timeline of DoFP.
4. You could be right that this movie was a fun one-off, but I am certain we'll see Hugh's Wolverine and Ryan's Deadpool again, so my guess is that to the reduce confusion of creating several X-Men universes/timelines that instead Feige will say The Marvels and DP&W are the same universe. Just a theory, but I do like the idea.
Thanks for all the awesome feedback. Really appreciate it!!!
@@AbitofEverything4U I definitely agree with the third point. The revised/post-DOFP X-Men timeline always felt like it should be a E-10005B or E-10005.211 rather than an entirely new universe designation, like some people pushed for, likewise with Logan although to be fair until DP&W we didn’t know entirely for sure if Logan was in the revised 10005 timeline, especially with the director and others saying it was in it’s own timeline/universe removed from the others.
While I’m not the biggest fan of all t creative decisions this film made, I’m glad they stuck with Logan being in the main X-Men timeline, because while it’s another bleak ending for the X-Men (and almost certainly one that’ll be undone come Avengers: Secret Wars) that overwrites the happy ending of DOFP - it’s simultaneously the perfect sendoff for Wolverine as a character, such beautiful acting and portrayals by Jackman and Stewart that should not just be locked off to it’s own unconnected inconsequential timeline/universe as it’s own thing IMO.
To refer back to 1, X-23 looks like she’s a late teen to me in DP&W, so her being 6 in the movie confuses me
@@alglimited8665 I'm not talking about the X-23 from DP&W, I'm talking about the X-23 from Logan.
@@ThePatchedVest Yeah, I think Secret Wars will ultimately have a bittersweet ending, as it seems every other universe is going to die with only a single universe left. Sigh.
This is the first R-Rated movie I ever saw the movie theatre and it was insane How easy of a transition they did between the different Ratings
Yeah, it was very cool to see it being R-Rated, but also fitting into the MCU style so well!
What's interesting to me about Kang is that James Gunn confirmed that Kang originally belonged to Fox prior to the buyout. So, technically they could just write out the Council of Kangs by saying that it was the 616 Variants coming together, but they were killed off or whatever by the 10005 Variant of Kang. Which could even be used as an excuse to have the X-Men fight the Avengers because the Avengers know Kang is evil, while the X-Men could be manipulated by their Kang into believing that it's really the Avengers that are evil because of what Doctor Strange did with the Darkhold in Multiverse of Madness.
Very cool theories...I didn't know that about Kang and Fox studios!
@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah it's always been interesting to me that Fox had all these characters but they never really used them. Sadly, my Kang theory isn't going to come true with the reveal of RDJ coming back to play Doctor Doom. But I still think my idea's a fun little what if.
Agreed...very cool What If story!
I absolutely loved that Channing Tatum finally got his chance to play Gambit after all these years, and he even got to wear a comic accurate suit. Also, I don't think he's from Earth-10005.
Yeah, Channing was awesome in the movie. Loved his cameo so much! And I agree, I think only X-23 was from 10005.
A minor detail about the movie that I really liked is how they finally revealed the pronunciation of Earth-10005 is "one-triple zero-five." That's something I've wondered about for years.
Good point! It was kinda like hearing 19-99-9-9 being said in ATSV!
It was a really fun ride me and my brother kept gasping over the Johnny, Blade, Elektra, and Gambit cameos, loved that title sequence fight, and laughed out loud over that PostCredit with Johnny
Yeah, so much to love about this movie!
Headpool has to appear in the marvel zombies show to explain his backstory
I love that idea...really hope that happens!
I found 3 big mistakes in the movie. Assuming that the timeline continuity of Deadpool movies series is the same of Logan (2017):
1st mistake: Deadpool is looking for a Wolverine to serve as a replacement as an anchor being, and he can perfectly go for the Wolverine of his present (2024, because 6 years have passed since the events of Deadpool 2 which takes place during 2018), so the search of the anchor being as we saw it, was not necessary. The only thing Deadpool has to do is ensure that Charles Xavier does not have that mental attack that caused all the mutants to die as was known in Logan (2017).
2nd mistake: when Cassandra enters Wolverine's mind, scenes from Logan (2017) are seen, this means that the worst version of Wolverine lived through a good part of the events of the movie Logan, which means that he should have recognized X-23 when he met her in the Void.
3rd mistake: At the end of the movie, Wolverine and X-23 are seen with Deadpool's friends. The problem is that there are then 2 versions of Wolverine and X-23 in the Fox Universe.
I like the idea that there are two wolverines and the tva are like "this SHOULD break the universe but it seems stable so let's not mess with it" like when your code is throwing errors but the program is running anyway
then they kiss
Yep...I struggled with the same three issues. No doubt about it, you just have to shut your brain off when you watch a Deadpool movie. It's great entertainment, but you can't think about it too hard, ig. lol!
@@Jilluminum omg! As a computer programmer myself, that comment made me lol! Well done!
In my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong
1: By the rules of Loki, even changing the past won't change the future, instead create a branch timeline of that timeline, so the events of Logan would've happened otherwise with respect to prior Deadpool. Paradox never said by replacing the anchor, it solves the issue. But by saying that thought, Deadpool thinks that's the viable solution, that's why he tries to find a replacement DESPITE not being the solution of his timeline fixing.
2. Since there are not much video sources, for this moment, what I can say is it doesn't mean he has to meet her despite he lived through some events of Logan.
3. They are now living in an alternate reality where there are 2 versions of Wolverine and X-23 in that Fox timeline.
FYI. I agree that changing some minor things in the past might change the future as if it was already there, for example, Peggy and Steve. If the continuity make sense, then it closes a time loop as if they were already there. However, since we now know that Logan has to die, changing that outcome would make a branch reality. All he can do without branching is anything that would still lead to the events of Logan.
36:22 I wondered this too. I'd like to think that if Deadpool occurred in the main X-men universe, that the Laura in the apartment was the one that was from Logan and not her variant.
she’s from Logan and was pruned to the Void several years after Logan (2030’s) and came back to the universe in 2024 at the end of the movie. this is all based on the fact that Logan takes place in the timeline cause of him being the anchor being or whatever
Yeah, it's weird since they seem to indicate that the Deadpool movies and the Logan movie are in the same timeline. So, if X-23 is from the future after the Logan movie (say 2035) of the same timeline, then two of her from the same timeline would be there in 2024. Very odd!
Blade showing up in the movie shocked me. I did not expect him to be in the movie especially since blade wasn’t owned by fox, and Ryan and Wesley hated each other on blade trinity. I remember I commented on a video saying I think blade wouldn’t show up and I’m glad i was so wrong. Also with the scene where the tva agent gets eaten, it was apparently cut and I think tva agent is played by Rob Mcelhenney, who is Ryan Reynolds friend in real life and also had a show with him called welcome to wrexham, Rob also starred in its always sunny in Philadelphia, it makes sad his cameo got cut because he is so funny in it’s always sunny. Also when I saw the movie with my friends we got a trailer for a Chris Evan’s movie where he looked different, but I turned to my friend and said hey it’s captain America and he’s like “how did you know that he was on screen for 20 seconds” and I said he has a unique voice. Fast forward to when we are watching the movie and Johnny Storm appears wearing a hood and he spoke I was like “I think I know that voice but I need him to speak again just to be sure.” I just thought it was funny that I recognized Chris Evan’s in a trailer for some Christmas before seeing him in Deadpool and Wolverine
I thought about it and I bet the reason why Wesley was a jerk on set was because of his character being replaced by Ryan Reynolds and Jessica Biel. Jealousy I guess. And being pissed he wasn't the main character of his own movie. Same issue that marvel seems to be having with the blade script right now.
Yeah, I was so glad Blade was in the movie. He was amazing!
@@goodfellas1001 Yeah, that makes alot of sense!
When it comes to the sling ring, I think the way it’s supposed to work is that the void at the end of time isn’t for any particular universe, but instead that’s where all of time converges to a single point where every timeline leads into the void, and that’s why no matter what timeline you’re in if something gets pruned it all appears in the same void, so that being said the infinity stones from any universe can work in the void since technically it’s still in the same time stream.
That's a very cool theory. Love it!
I honestly think the Thor thing was an intentionally doctored TVA footage by Paradox to manipulate Wade into thinking they'll make him into a hero like Iron Man who scrifices himself.
Rehashing Deadpool 1 Ajax plot point kind of.
Cool theory...yeah, it's hard to trust anything Paradox says!
To me the “meta” theme is that it’s not about the X-men or Deadpool being in the MCU that matters, what matters is that the characters being represented are being done with the upmost care.
This movie doesn’t read like a “we need Deadpool in the MCU to save the MCU!” It reads more like “we need people to understand even if this isn’t a full MCU movie, it’s still a good superhero movie, indicating “it’s not just our universe (MCU) that makes this stuff special, it’s all the history. It’s the fact that, when done right, anyone can make a good superhero movie.” If anything it feels MORE like a jab to Fox executives who shied away from the silliness of this franchise
That's some great commentary. I love it!
Who is here After the DOCTOR DOOM reveal???
That casting is honestly so funny in the context of this movie. We really did get a peek behind the curtain here
Wasn't that crazy? What a reveal. Finally got my reaction vid up about it, but I'm still reeling!
Your theory on the multiverse/neighboring trees with their own branches makes the most sense. Loved Deadpool & Wolverine and all the Loki & TVA connectivity!
Yeah… I thought the connectivity between the Loki show and Deadpool & Wolverine was really handled well. Such a great movie!
Adored it! One of the best Marvel Films I’ve seen in a while! I still wonder the extend of Loki’s control. Is he overseeing the ENTIRE Multiverse, or just the MCU timelines aka 616, X97, What If, etc. Anyway, excellent video as always!
I agree...the big question is what Loki is doing. My theory is that just keeping the 616 tree is order is a huge job. Also, if he was controlling the other universes, it seems he could find a way to prevent the upcoming incursions. But I agree, I think Marvel needs to definitively answer the question and DP&W wasn't really the movie to do that.
However, I loved the movie for all that it gave us. Soooooo good. Can't wait to see it again!
That monitor was definitely Kevin-looking
ikr? Very interesting!
It sounds like u do these all in 1 take, thats fire
Yeah, I try my best to do it in one take. Every now and then I have to edit out a stumble, but I've found that doing it without a pre-written script and speaking instead as a fellow MCU fan discussing things with friends works alot better. Really appreciate you watching and sharing your positive feedback. Thanks so much!
Gambit’s accent was an accurate Cajun accent
Very true! But I am glad that in the X-Men animated series he’s a little bit easier to understand.
For the topic or 2 Wolverines and 2 Lauras, it makes sense for there being 2 of each so that the events of Logan can still play out the way it needs to. Either that or the 2018 date of Deadpool 2 needs to be retconned to be further in the future.
Yeah, it's just so confusing, but I agree, one of the two things you said needs to happen. But I honestly don't like either one. If there are 2, then it's possible things might end up differently due to there being a second Wolverine in the timeline. Heck maybe someone tries to prevent the original one from dying. But if Deadpool set is after 2029, then the world is in a very strange place due to what happens in Logan and Colossus would be acting differently, it seems. Just hurts my head!
Few pointers. If Deadpool and Wolverine took place in 2024 and Logan, we know take place in 2029 where Logan dies, it’s why Universe 10005 is going out of existence. They might be using the same idea from the comic as when an incursion occurs, at the point of incursion, the whole universe gets wiped out but it’s a cascading effect going both ways, it’s NOT instant, so all of the future still remains, as we saw Captain America in the comic was able to travel so far into the future via the Time Stone. It also implies all of the past still remain as well because we saw Doctor Doom with the help of Molecule Man was able to travel back 25 years into the past.
So here, Logan dies in 2029, let’s say that’s the Incursion Point, and Deadpool and Wolverine takes place in 2024, Paradox said it’s may take up to 1000 years until the timeline, I guess the whole universe gets wiped out. So technically they can still travel upward to of 1000 years into that future of timeline and everything will still look okay. Same way they can travel all throughout the branching timelines associated with universe 10005, nothing will have look out of place.
The Anchor Being concept, I think you are right and they intentionally made it very meta, I think it’s also same way how Molecule Man supposedly works during the whole Secret Wars build up. If a Molecule Man dies in one universe, that universe gets wiped out. And there’s a Molecule Man in every universe. So instead of a Molecule Man from comic, we have Anchor Beings.
So in the Scared Timeline, if they implies Tony being an Anchor Being, with his death in Endgame, nothing in the MCU seem off right. Probably because it’s won’t be a long time until the timeline gets wiped away. Unless we see some sort of Accelerant that gets introduce into the MCU that will speed up that process.
- So Cassandra Nova, got to be one of my favorite villain in the MCU. The way she speaks, her demeanor, her power. The whole fingers shoving into the brain. She was really well done.
So the shirtless Wolverine, I mean it’s an MCU movie so we gotta have that for sure. And Shaw Levy did confirm it’s the real Huge JACKman. I mean if you seen all the workout videos Hugh did while filming this movie, it’s legit.
As for future set ups. I think it’s no question Ryan Deadpool and Hugh Wolverine will have huge parts in future Avenger movies. Until the end of Multiverse Saga, we might not get a new definitive Wolverine, imo, Huge Wolverine never been better in the role than he is now. Super suits and all. I’m more interested in their potential solo outings. Deadpool potential team up with Thor? And Wolverine, we got to see that fight with Hulk for sure. and that’s definitely Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk from 2012 Avengers, Deadpool even did that Loki’s speech calling Hulk a dulling creature before getting smashed.
I can see B-15 having bigger supporting role in either Deadpool and/or Wolverine future solo/team ups movie, seeking out Deadpool and/or Wolverine help to fight beings that threshing the multiverse, timelines, etc. Throughly enjoyed the movies, can’t wait to see what’s next for these two.
Fantastic commentary. I agree with everything you said. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
Saw the movie with my brother today, and i absolutely loved it. Wade and Logans dynamic, the performances, especially Jackman and Reynolds, the humor, the meta jokes, the action, the fact that it actually earns its R rating, everything. I love this movie, and yes, i also loved the cameos. Especially Evans as Johnny Storm and Snipes as Blade, i was not expecting either of them, especially Blade since that wasn't even a Fox film, but i still loved it anyways, i even went "No Freaking Way" in the theater when he came on screen, only i didnt say freaking. Lol.
What i love about the cameos too apart from the meta humor and the fact they actually play into the story, is that they kindof play into the themes as well. Not only do they represent a different era of marvel. Blade represents the 90s, Johnny and Elektra represent the 2000s, Laura represents the 2010s, Cavill represents a potential future, and Gambit represents what never was.
But also, they play into the themes of giving franchises a conclusion (which is why, yes, i do agree, Mr. Paradox could be a stand-in for Studio executives, and the anchor thing could have a meta subtext to it) but also being a love letter to the late 90s/2000s Era of Marvel, mainly the Fox films. Which with that, is another reason why they work so freaking well. Also, love the tribute to fox that played during the credits, and to music used in Seinfeld no less, which was icing on the cake. Loved it, loved it, loved it. Also, also, weird seeing how young Hugh was in that archive footage.
But yeah, i do agree, i wish they explained the Anchor thing better, as that was one of my only problems with the movie, too. However, i believe since this Wolverine and Deadpool became Earth-10005 Anchor beings, i believe this means Logan of Earth-10005 that we knew from X-Men 2000 to Logan may have been merged into this Logan in the film, kindof like what DC was going to do with Keatons Batman in the original ending of the Flash, before the DCEU fell apart. Idk about Laura though, also, kindof wish Gambit, Blade, and Elektra were also at the table in that ending scene but oh well.
Also, also, sadly no Disney Princess roast scene, but i knew it wouldn't happen (and it probably would not make any sense anyways) though maybe that can be its own thing, like a special presentation or something.
But yeah, anyways, solid and fun film, plan on seeing it again, very well paced too, definitely deserves a 9.5/10.
Fantastic commentary on the film. I agree with everything you said (including the fact that we needed that Disney Princess roast scene). Such a good movie!
For me this was the first project to do for really a multiversal adventure, where characters quite different from each other and above all forgotten (an excellent metaphor to give a final farewell to the Fox universe) find themselves in the "landfill" place per excellence, the void, a true purgatory of the multiverse. And whoever decides to be bad (Cassandra Nova's side) takes possession of something that doesn't exist and does it only because he failed to do it in his universe or just didn't have the chance to do it (this is clearly Cassandra's characterization, as well as his personal revenge against his brother). Instead, those who decide to rebel, heroes who couldn't or didn't have the chance to save their worlds, strangely thanks to the will of Deadpool and Wolverine, two characters who at the beginning of the movie are destroyed by their own failure, have the chance to show themselves for a last time and demonstrate the heroes they can be, despite being part of a legacy, the Fox one, now ready to disappear. In fact, the whole movie is a story of assert, the one between Deadpool and Wolverine. Deadpool saves his world, his family and makes it clear that unlike the plan Paradox had in mind, universes can coexist, the anchor is not an absolute thing and that even metaphorically becoming part of the sacred timeline it is not an obligation. Wolverine on the other hand, like all the "heroes" in the void, by maturing his own failure helps to save what is still saveable, and in fact in that beautiful phrase said by B-15, which is also right because this is how the TVA should do it , Logan understands that you can't fix the universe, but you can "fix" yourself, and that's what he did, thanks also to a character as antihero and bizarre as Deadpool. Because yes, this movie proves that even antiheroes like Deadpool and underdogs like the Wolverine of this movie can have relevance in this great little multiverse. Honestly, I'm glad I didn't see all the possible cameos, especially regarding the X Men, because otherwise the sense of Secret Wars event would be lost, and above all they would have taken away the focus on the protagonists and the path they take. Several things regarding the TVA and the anchor issue are still to be explained and not to be ignored for subsequent movies, but the proposed adventure and the heart given to the two protagonists really made this movie fun and exciting, and this was certainly an excellent start to really show the potential of characters and curious dynamics in the multiverse thanks to the void. However, as regards the alternative versions of the two protagonists, it was clearly a bizarre and fun game to watch, and given the tone of the movie, it absolutely fits.
Fantastic commentary. Loved reading all of that. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the movie!
Its just insane that we had to wait this long for a real cowl
irk? Was so great to finally get to see it!
Just saw the movie yesterday and I had a ton of fun. So many cameos. It was absolutely mind-blowing. You should’ve also seen me jamming to the needle drops lol.
Yeah, it was a fantastic movie. So much fun!
I feel like anchor beings could be something brought up again in secret wars/doomsday. If a war world is created in these movies it could be made out of universes with missing anchor beings, as they could be more easily manipulated and forced together. And it could be the reason that 616 gets dragged in, if Tony was it's anchor being it's now opened up to what could be Doom's plan.
OR it's anchor beings forced to fight each other to save their own worlds...
@@ghiggs8389 true, could be a multiverse wide cage match basically.
Excellent theories...yeah, I could definitely see this factoring into Secret Wars!
I love the jokes about Gambit just being there, especially when Deadpool says “Are you sure that you wanted to be called that [Gambit] but you were never really given a chance?” and in the same scene when Deadpool asks them how they got there, Gambit says “Maybe I was born here”, a reference to the undeveloped Gambit movie. Lol 😂 I was just laughing my ass off at this. It was so funny. Even Deadpool roasts Fox for their crappy decisions. Imagine if Channing Tatum was like Ryan Reynolds and advocated for his own movie. We would be having three Gambit movies by now. 🤣
I agree...so many awesome jokes about Gambit's movie that never was. Channing did such a great job with that role. Loved it!
If A5 is AvX (with Elements of Time Runs Out), i'm all in.
Yeah, I really love that idea. And even though it is now officially named Doomsday, I still bet that we may get that AvX fight!
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Ummm, in DP2 Cable gave up his last charge to return to his wife and daughter in the future to save DP from being shot. So while it may not be able to go from universe to universe, it clearly was able to go back and forth in time.
Good point...not sure why Negasonic focused on reversing time and not going forward in time in her quote, but you are correct that it can go both directions.
Finally!!Been waiting for this video from you since 3 days🙂
Thanks for your patience. I really apologize for it taking so long. Been a crazy, crazy few days...but in a good way. Hope you liked the breakdown. Thanks so much for watching!!
I like the part when Deadpool talks about the multiverse been having missed after missed, referring to post-endgame projects that went mediocre recently.
Yeah that was pretty funny! Lots of great jokes in the movie!
Really fun review - thank you.
Surprised you didn't mention Wolverine pulling over his comic accurate mask for the final battle scenes or the credit scene love letter of behind the scenes of the old Fox movies - I thought that was a nice, nostalgic touch.
I think Channing Tatum has a line about his cancelled Gambit movie; something like: "Some stories never told" lol
The jokes and digs were crazy in this movie.
Great points! I should have mentioned the mask for Wolverine as that was so cool to finally see it on him. And yeah, those credit scenes were so touching. It brought back so many memories watching them. What a great way to honor all the Fox movies over the last 24 years!
I love the whole anchor being idea because of how meta it is. The TVA seems like this omnipotent organization in-universe but they still have “theories” per se about phenomena like universes dying. They don’t actually know that there’s a plane of reality above them (real world or maybe the She Hulk’s interpretation of the real world) where studio executives cancel franchises and actors retire, so they have to create their own in-universe explanations for these phenomena. Really reminds me of the metanarratives of Undertale and Deltarune, if anyone is familiar with those games.
That's a great way to look at it!
Cassandra basically gave us the point of secret wars. Send everything to the void in order to play god.
Yep...I agree. It seemed like a very nice setup for how Secret Wars will go down!
it’s a shame they killed her off. I don’t like the fact that they have killed almost every single villain off at the end of these movies besides promising ones like Loki and even for one movie, Thanos. i felt like Emma Corrin gave such a great performance of Cassandra and really made her her own person outside of the villain persona the character was put in that i genuinely thought she was gonna live alongside Deadpool and Wolverine at the end and wander back into the Void where she’ll remain to regain her powers and become stronger so she can come back for future movies, especially for the MCU X-men movies. I just think she would’ve been a great X-men mcu movie villain
@@omarxperez Yeah, I agree...it was a bummer to lose her after one movie.
I think what Deadpool and Wolverine did at the end of the movie regenerated the X-Men universe into an amalgamation of all the movies. I also think this is the X-Men universe that Monica landed in at the end of the Marvels
I agree on both points. Very well summarized!
I definitely got the vibe that an anchor being is just a meta joke. Probably how they’ll kill the sonyverse lol
I agree...really feels like it was just meant to be meta.
I believe paradox said that when an anchor being dies it takes about 2000 years to fully deteriorate
Interesting...I thought he said 1000, but if he did say 2000 I'd be down for that as well. Definitely a long time in either case. Thanks for pointing that out!
still upset that we didn’t get an x-men 97’ wolverine cameo in the scene where wade is looking through wolverines
It wasn’t really main priority mate
The 5'3 Comic Accurate Version was a nod to that, right?
I think it would mess with x-men 97 canon
if they did, it's going to be like a space jam, type crossover with cartoons
I feel like they haven’t figured out how live action/animated canon works in relation to one another.
Since they’re never gonna bring KEVIN back it might have gotten pruned which is why it’s in the void and being used for parts by Cassandra’s gang
lol! I love the idea of K.E.V.I.N. being pruned!
Always great work man
Thanks so much...really appreciate the positive feedback!
39:03 I think conceptually you’re right, but they’re going to take their time before avengers versus X-Men, so that the general audiences who haven’t seen the old movies can get new stories in the X-Men universe with new actors like the fantastic four before universes collide
Good theory...I'd be down for more stories in that universe before the collisions occur!
Your videos are amazing I feel like you're very underrated.
Thanks so much...that's very nice of you to say!
Also I don’t think Loki is in charge of the TVa . I think he’s maintaining the growth of 616 tree but he doesn’t control the day to day operations of the TvA bureaucracy. I think people are assuming he’s in control and missed the whole subtext of the Loki series. This version of Loki has found his real glorious purpose which is >not one of a RULER . He’s a protector not a ruler . Someone else . Maybe B15 is running the new TVA .
Perfectly stated! I agree 100%!
I’ve been WAITING for this one
Yeah, sorry it took so long. Man, the last few days have been killers. But I love all the great news from Marvel!
@@AbitofEverything4U yet you still put out great content. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much!
There's a possibility when they say six years later. It could have been 6 years later from Deadpools point of view. He traveled to 616 universe in 2018. 6 years later from Deadpools point of view, it could still happen after the events of logan in his universe
Yeah, the timeline is indeed very confusing. I think he was saying he went to the MCU shortly after the post credit scenes in Deadpool 2 and then he destroyed Cable's device soon after. Since DP 2 seems to be in 2018, that's why I think DP&W is in 2024. But it's okay that it happens prior to Logan in 2029, as Deadpool's 4th wall breaking let's him know about movies that came out before his. And Logan's death in 2029 rippled forwards and backwards through time, meaning all of 10005 would eventually die. At least that's my take on it. I agree, it's all pretty confusing as the X-Men timelines are such a mess overall. Great movies, but very messy timeline.
It seems like DP&W happens after Logan died. Which means either Logan's death has just been retconned to having happened much earlier (say, 2024), or DP&W happens in 2029.
If DP&W is set in 2029, then it retcons all the DP movies to happen a few years after their real-world release.
So, we do know Wade visits Earth 616 in 2018, and that DP&W happens 6 years later. The only explanation is that Earth 10005 is 5 years ahead of Earth 616.
So, Earth 616 would be in 2018 while Earth 10005 would be in 2023. Maybe Jesus was born 5 years prior or that Earth has a different event for its year 1.
When they are talking Logans death, the graphic shows the death of Logan and then reverberating back through the timeline. The visual accompanied with Paradox explanation led me to believe that the death of Logan leads to the destruction of the ENTIRE timeline, not just the a bookend, but an unraveling of the entire thing.
This would mean the death of an anchor at any point would result in every point of the timeline beginning to unravel. Maybe the TVA just decided to grab deadpool from that moment in the timeline, as the entire thing is going to go kaput
If happens before he died. Logan’s death affects the entire timeline, and unravels the past as well.
No it was just chaotic time travel. Logan still happens in 2029.
Very good questions. I'm sorry for being so late to respond, but I think the other respondents nailed it. Logan is still in 2029, but DP&W is in 2024 and the death of Logan as the "anchor being" reverberates through time and destroys everything before and after the current 2024 setting of DP&W. At least, that's how I interpreted it. It was pretty tricky to follow, tbh.
I love your theory on the real meaning behind anchor beings. I’d say we have a 50/50 shot of never hearing that term again or having it come up again
Thanks! Yeah, I really hope it doesn't get mentioned again...or that if it does, that they explain it so that it makes more sense!
great video. I really hope what if season 3 touches on anchor beings because this is getting very confusing
I agree...I'm really looking forward to What If season 3. It has a strong chance of being very informative about the multiversal rules!
We need a marvel one shot that follows a day in the life of B-15 that explains some of the intricacies behind what’s going on the TVA
YAS! Please, please, please, Marvel!
I kind of wish it got better explained in the movie but here's how I see it. Timelines and universes are the same, each timeline can have branches, creating alternate and parallel timelines/universes. If these alternate/parallel timelines/universe keep branching, they will eventually create a completely new timeline separate from the original. Each timeline and it's branches have an anchor being, if they die, the timeline and the branches connected to it will slowly fade into nothing. If separate timelines get to close to each other, and start branching into each other, they will eventually collide, causing incursions . Another quick note is that I think while Anchor beings are connected to a timeline and it's branches, absolute points are only specific to an individual branch/timeline, explaining Christine Palmer dying being a absolute point in one branch but not another. I think this also could explain why now MCU and the X-Men universes are finally interacting. Since the MCU sacred timeline is now able to expand infinitely thanks to Loki, it's now starting to hit other timelines previously unable to get to as it was isolated by He Who Remains. Anyways, that's just how I interpret it. Also I think this movie is sort of hinting at X-Men vs Avengers. I could see an incursion happening between Deadpools universe and the MCU causing a battle for the two. I think this was setup as currently in the Deadpool universe, all the X-Men are still active and we have a new wolverine there, setting it up to maybe be explored more.
Good theories on universes and timelines. I really hope we get more clarity in future multiverse movies, such as Fantastic 4. Fingers crossed. And yeah, I hope we get an Avengers vs. X-Men story. That would be so cool!
Mr. Paradox is literally named "paradox", so he what he says and does is suppose to be contradicting itself. This film shows that caring about every lore detail and complicated multiverse, though important for the world building, it is not the only element that makes a movie or frenchise successful. Deadpool shows that important thing is also having good story and well written characters i.e. "anchor beings". Matter and anti-matter, serious Wolverine and funny Deadpool, sticking to the rules and having fun: on the surface coexisting of these would be a paradox, but they are needed for a success.
I totally agree...I feel things like anchor beings were more meant as meta references than to be taken seriously. I could be wrong, but I suspect we'll never hear that term again. Excellent commentary on the movie. It was just a fun movie (a REALLY fun movie) that never wanted us to take it too seriously. We were supposed to laugh and have a good time, and in that regard it succeeded with flying colors!
One critique I have with the mcu “Tva” it seems timelines and universes are one and the same. Which doesn’t make sense. Because Ryan’s time device is for time travel only.. not universe. Tva then says he is traveling through time but they are different universes and not timelines. Every wolverine looked different and had different logic
It's easy to explain, Deadpool already has the ability to see other realities without external tech (unlike the TVA). That's why he can make meta commentary in-universe and break the 4th wall. Cable's device and the TVA pad enabled him to harness that ability and move across both timelines and universes since it's basically a GPS.
@@coolo73 I understand that I’m saying “Loki “Doctor strange 2” “no way home” all have their own logic of the multiverse. This movie follows loki but the only problem is timelines and universes aren’t different. Because they say oh you from another other. We’ll that’s not a different timeline , that would be a Different universe. If you are short in one universe and tall in another.. that has nothing to do with time at that point because you would of always been tall or short regardless. Tva really doesn’t change time, they change universes. Which is crazy to think they have the easy ability to do that because if that’s the point… America Chavez isn’t that special then
I think certain 4th wall breaking moments such as that are just for fun and not to be taken seriously in the timeline.
Yeah, the metaphysics in Deadpool movies are always abit unreliable. Cable's device should only allow him to reverse time, yet in DP 2 he jumps to a branched timeline to kill the crappy Deadpool and jumps to (it seems) the real world where he kills Ryan Reynolds. Then in DP&W, he jumps all the way to the 616. None of that makes sense, but Deadpool does as Deadpool pleases, it seems.
However, once he gets the TVA device, I suspect he's only jumping to branches. Each Wolverine can look really different if the branch in the X-men timeline occurred long before Logan was born, for example. So that could result in very different looking Wolverines. Or at least that's my guess as to how that worked. Anyway, it's all pretty weird when Deadpool is in charge of a movie. lol!
@@AbitofEverything4U my only thing is .. are they timelines or different universes because marvel makes them sound one and the same
I’m already confused about Asgard either being a planet in space or a realm within space which makes no sense
Imma be honest the pronunciation of a lot of actors and characters names have been throwing me off here where I’m like “wait have I been saying it wrong?” And then just being “nah it can’t be”
Lol...my kryptonite is enunciation, so I'm sure I said them wrong and that you are saying them right. Did I butcher Cavill?
With the introduction of Franklin Richards in the Fantastic Four and his ability to Reality Warp, he may end up being the Ancor Point of the MCU.
Great theory!
If we accept that Logan was the “anchor being” of E-10005, and that once he died in Logan, the universe started to disappear (which Paradox is trying to rush), then there would have to be some kind of existential process that prevents Logan from being brought back to life again, and that would include via time travel.
In this particular case, since Cable traveled from a future where Logan had died, and he traveled to 2018 when Logan should /technically/ still be alive, then perhaps some reality-warping occurred, and even though Logan doesn’t actually die until 2029, because Cable came from a time after his death, Logan was then metaphysically “removed” from this 2018 to prevent any paradoxes from taking place and potentially altering or preventing his death. This, combined with his ability to break the fourth wall, makes Wade aware of the events of Logan in DP2 and D&W, and thus Logan is treated as dead, even if he should be alive strictly by timeline rules.
By this logic, when Wade and our new Logan destroy the time-ripper and wind up re-anchoring earth-10005, this makes it so there’s still only one Logan existing in the present, and we don’t have to deal with multiple Wolverines running around at the same time!
(This connects to a larger theory of mine about how the timeline of the multiverse is all based on the timeline of our real-world reality and how these fictional realities get released in different orders, but that’s a much larger discussion!)
Love that idea...The timeline was confusing already, so maybe this helps actually make some sense of it all. Thanks for sharing that!
An anchor being is in the comics. It’s the role that the molecule man plays in secret wars. Molecule man’s death made an explosion so big, it knocked the universe into another, causing the first incursion which caused a domino affect in the multiverse. This was a bomb put into EVERY molecule man in every universe. The bombs were placed inside molecule men by the beyonders as an experiment. A sick, twisted one
Good point...I never considered that it was similar to molecule man, but you are right!
I think anchor beings are people that are just SO important for that universe that they are not supposed to die unless they die from age
Also, Feige stated Strange was MCUs anchor being
Great feedback! Yeah, I recently found that quote from Feige on Dr. Strange. I'm assuming you are referring to when he spoke at Benedict's Hollywood star ceremony?
If so, I'll discuss it in my next vid. I do think he using the word anchor differently in that case, but more to come on that.
You've referenced the she-hulk show several times during this video essay, but didn't consider that it's magician with a sling ring might have wandered into the void.
ikr? I totally should have thought of our best buddy Donny Blaze. I love that idea so much!
The scene they cut was Rob Mcelhenny (he posted on X, formally known as Twitter)
Ryan trolled him 💀💀💀💀
I wondered if that was it. Such a bummer it was cut. It was pretty funny!
29:25-I think this was an instance of Ryan Reynolds trolling us due to the early leaks.
He also "leaked" a Predator in The Void as being a cameo but it didn't happen
Yep...I can totally see Ryan trolling us and I love him for doing it!
25:58 Thank goodness someone besides me also thought that it was K.E.V.I.N who recorded Johnny badmouthing Cassandra
lol...yeah, it sure seemed like that was our old buddy. K.E.V.I.N.!
I think with the Kevin-looking device that maybe it’s Deadpool doing what She-Hulk did in the last episode of that show, and going back to re write what has happened in order to suit him. I.e., Johnny didn’t originally say all those things but Deadpool changed it so he was right. This could be why it is word for word exactly what Deadpool said to Cassandra, and not that Deadpool has just a really very good memory haha
lol! Now that's a clever take on things. Even if we never get an official answer, that's now my head canon for that scene!
My small little theory is that reality (almost like a meta physical being) knows that wolverine is the anchor being as soon as he is born. And my theory is that that is the moment that 10005 starts to decay and slowly die. Because even though wolverine does live for a very long time, he is still mortal, and will eventually die. And i remember that paradox said in the movie that normally it does it take a thousand years for a world to officially die. I personally dont believe that a world starts to die when the anchor being dies, but actually when theyre initially born, and the clock has started ticking
Cool theory! I hope we learn more about anchor beings. It's such an interesting concept!
I for sure thought the camera that showed human torch’s monologue at the end was similar to K.E.V.I.N too
Ikr? it would be so wild if Marvel tried to tie the TVA and K.E.V.I.N. together somehow!
I think the anchor being is them trying to comprehend the phenomenon of the franchise falling apart after a character or actor leaves from the point of view of a character in that universe, very Grant Morrison Animal Man style metaphysical stuff
I agree...I do think it was mostly metaphorical and that it also nicely tied in with Deadpool and Wolverine re-writing the universe at the end!
It’s definitely ruffalo’s hulk but it’s not ruffalo himself, also isn’t it cool that cavillrine is the only non jackman wolverine variant, only time we’ve seen this so far is in Loki with the Lokis and spiderman but that’s more meta-textual, I’d say binary but she has to be named Carol Danvers for it work the same way
Yeah, it sure seemed like Ruffalo's hulk, which is cool. And I do love that all the variants were Hugh, other than Henry. My guess is that particular timeline branched early enough that it resulted in a very different looking Wolverine. Such an awesome movie!
I think the main Wolverine’s universe is a branch on the animated X-Men “tree”, which would explain why his suit is comic accurate. Plus, the X-Men that he mentioned, along with Professor X, are members of the team in the show. As for how this universe works in relation to the “main” animated X-Men universe, it’s only mentioned throughout the film that he failed his world, not that he destroyed it, so it doesn’t affect the “main” universe in any major way. Plus, it probably means that the universe that Deadpool found that Wolverine in is actually his home universe anyway, hence why the bartender told Wolverine that he wasn’t welcome anywhere. As for what Wolverine leaving his home universe means, it shouldn’t cause the entire tree to start withering away since he doesn’t seem to be the anchor being/a major character in the animated series anyway. Though whether it might cause an incursion or not, we might have to wait and see how they’ll handle it in X-Men ‘97.
P.S., I recently found this video which shows Logan as a movie playing in Deadpool’s universe. ruclips.net/video/Z5ezsReZcxU/видео.html If this is canon, this could explain how Deadpool has that toy portraying Logan’s death. Maybe X-Men Origins: Wolverine is also a movie that exists in this universe, hence why Deadpool also has a toy version of his Weapon XI variant from the film. Maybe the entire Wolverine trilogy is actually a film franchise in Deadpool’s universe, since all of those films take place in alternate universes according to the Marvel wiki, and the X-Men of Deadpool’s universe are shown to have become popular by the time of Dark Phoenix, so it would work. This is actually kinda funny when you realize that Deadpool is aware of all this since he knows he is in a film franchise to begin with.
Cool theory about there being a tie with X-Men '97. I'd be down for that. As for Wolverine creating an incursion, my guess is that since all of the branches are connected to the main 10005 branch, that it won't cause an incursion for him to now be in Deadpool's branch. It's kinda like how in the What If episodes they can jump between branches without issue. Oh, and that video was really funny. The idea of Logan playing in Wade's universe is very meta and sooooo Deadpool!
Regarding the anchor being, it seems like a massive self-sacrifice can restore the universe and set a new anchor being, now being Deadpool. So even if Tony is the MCU's anchor being, we may get a new anchor being through the narrative.
Good theories on how they may use the anchor being concept going forward!
I just wanted to say; that kid called him Wolverine because he knows what Wolverine looks like from X-men in the comics, probably in a similar outfit. The same comic that Laura was showing Logan in the Logan movie, suppose they happen in the same universe.
Good point...it could be more due to the comics and less due to him actually having seen the real Wolverine. Great theory!
I think the reason Logan is an anchor being is because he is the one who time traveled in DoFP. Also I agree that it’s because he’s the star of the franchise.
Great theories. Will be interesting to see how this concept is used going forward!
You mentioned around 18:00 that Deadpool’s universe looks like an actual universe that’s not branched off of Lokis tree, but maybe that’s not because it is a separate universe from the 616 tree, which if you look at my comment on your recent Deadpool and Wolverine video, but because it’s all a part of the same Multiverse just medium sized branches branching off of the sacred timeline and then more little branches branching off of these different universes. And the reason why the screens look like the old ways of how a timeline looks paradox and his team wants to go back to the old ways of the TVA, so they designed these screens and scopes to look like how things were when in reality the screens would look like Loki’s tree
Also, another words with paradox not liking how the TV runs things after Loki season two, that’s a metaphor for people that grew up in like the 50s or 60s not liking how society is so they can decorate their own house on how things used to be. So again that’s why the screens look like the old way they used to handle the sacred timeline.
Excellent feedback! Yeah, I think at this point that all theories are valid, since Marvel hasn't made it crystal clear yet. But for all the reason I mention in this video, as well as the "History of the Multiverse" video that I tagged in your earlier comment, I really think Marvel is indicating a multiple tree scenario. Hopefully the Fantastic Four movie will answer all our questions. Thanks again for the awesome feedback on the vid. Really appreciate you taking the time to share it!
This movie was awesome! One of my favorite we're the credits, showing the behind scenes of the Fox Marvel movies. As a kid from the 2000s, those movies we're my first indroduction to the X-Men characters and seeing this tribute made me really just emotional.
Yeah, those scenes during the credits were very emotional. It was such a classy way for them to honor the X-Men movie legacy!
The movie kind of contradicts Multiverse of Madness and Spiderverse rules where it's supposedly disastrous to spend too much time outside of your timeline or to try to replace a version of you in a different timeline.
Yeah, the only thing I can guess is that it's not an issue regarding incursions since the Wolverine in the movie can from a branched timeline off of 10005. We learn in What If and in Endgame that you can travel between branches and it doesn't cause an incursion. However, going to an alternate universe (such as 838) does cause incursions. So that's my guess on what Wolverine can come to deadpool's timeline. Hope we get some definitive answers on it at some point!
I was really really hoping they would reference Old Man Logan and reveal that he killed all the X-Men because he got tricked by Mysterio. Imagine if we had all the original movie X-Men cameos and Jake Gyllenhaal for that.
I was too...seemed like the perfect way to take the story!
"sent shivers down the timeline" = sent shivers down the viewers
"A character of such importance that once dies your universe goes with it" = the only character your fans care about
Wanna know a funny possible future twist?
Deadpool could reveal that Iron Man WAS the anchor of 616
I mean he did say that naturally universe's take thousands of years to die post anchor being death
So what if the MCU is just not seeing its effects?
This is also a huge meta reference to "iron man and captain America are gone so now no one cares about the MCU"
I really think that's what they're going for
I saw it from the beginning at them using meta ideas and concepts and trying to use it within the world
Yep, those are some very good theories for where they could go with the anchor being concept from here!
Bro I also thought that was the camera kevin. I almost lost it
ikr? That was so wild...really hope they eventually make that connection!
Now that MCU at Comic Con SD announced Robert Downey Jr is returning for Secret War Phase that the actor is the Ultimate Anchor Being .Fans and Deadpool agree that after Marvel Endgame ( Tony Stark Sacrifice ) the studio has been in a downward spiral. This weekend the DP and Wolverine ticket sales is reaching a record for R-rated movie and RDJ announcement is proof of the Ultimate Being Theory
Yep, it sure does seem like RDJ is an anchor being. Can't wait to see his take on Dr. Doom!
7:36 "Realistically speaking" 😀
lol...yeah, "realistically speaking" and Deadpool do not go hand in hand!
I feel an anchor being would make more sense if it’s not exclusively one person. Like Logan died after Charles and the entire X-Men already passed, so it makes sense for the timeline to be doomed once its out of essential superheroes, but then again Laura was going to carry on their will. On top of that, it would add to Wades disappointment in himself to not be considered important enough to secure his timelines lifespan
Very good points! It is surprising that Laura didn’t become the new anchor being. I think we were all expecting a sequel movie to Logan with her being the main star. And yeah, that would have made it all the more humorous that Wade didn’t get to be considered the anchor being. Thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
@@AbitofEverything4U of course man, big fan of the channel and the passion you put in for this stuff!
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i think you should make a huge poster of timeline including all of the movies and shows just like how geekritique does it
That's a good idea!
I just love your videos man. They's not just for the hype like a lot of popular MCU content yt channels.
You actually put in effort and have a unique perspective.
Thanks...I really appreciate the positive feedback!
Cassandra is omega level, and can allegedly leave the void if she wants to. So maybe she’s using her powers to make the stones work
I like that theory. Certainly would explain alot!
only thing i wish was that we could have gotten Keen in a comic accurate X-23 costume.
True...that would have been a nice touch!
Btw New Line Cinema who produced the Blade films co produced with Fox. So thats why Blade is in the movie
Ah, that makes alot of sense. Thanks for sharing that!
Imo anchor beings aren’t necessarily the only beings in a said universe to hold the key to it’s entire existence. They rather portray a specific moment in time where if they don’t do a series of specific and impactful actions in a given time, a nexus event occurs, therefore labelling them as “anchors” that stop the nexus event from happening.
I.e. Strange in Infinity War going through countless iterations to find the one where Iron Man (the anchor) saves the world. In this example, maybe Thanos is the anchor being in the 14M other iterations since he’s supposed to win those 14M other times.
That being said, in D&W, Paradox knows that the absence of anchor beings in universes are nothing but catalysts for nexus events, but he uses the concept of anchors to brainwash Wade into thinking that nothing can save his universe. All this because Paradox might have already seen Deadpool in the future trying to save a Wolverine (an anchor) which would counter his plan to erase branches with the Time Ripper (a nexus event).
A simple way to put my theory is that every nexus event has its anchor being holding it back, meaning there can be countless different anchor beings at different times in a same universe/timeline.
Sorry for the long theory 😅
Cool theory! Yeah, I really do hope that they flesh out the concept of anchor beings in future MCU entries. It's possible that it was just a meta reference and therefore won't be mentioned down the line. But if it is a larger concept, then using theories like yours to flesh it out would be awesome!
I think having 2 Logans or Lauras isn't a problem. An incursion will only happen if something changes too drastically and the boundaries erodes. Think about bubbles, they touch yes but only with enough force will they merge to form a new bubble. And hey the TVA is keeping an eye anyway so if they think it's okay then it's perfectly fine. It's just a case of having doppelgangers. Logan and Laura might even get a tempad to get out of there when things are close to destabilizing if it ever comes to it.
Good points! Yeah, it will probably be fine, but it just seems so bizarre. Wonder if the two Wolverine's get together for a drink once and awhile. Would have alot to talk about!