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he has issue with the term transphobic but throws 'terf' around readily? this guy is a political fashionista
It’s because TERF is used to shut women up
Exactly my thought.
I dont think he "throws 'terf' around readily". He did give examples on how he justifyis giving that lable to someone
@@miumau7144 How can a feminist be exclusionary for not including men in her political programme lol
Those aren't mutually exclusive, T.E.R.F.'s often hate all biological males and some activists throw around the term "transphobic" over everything, including questioning the validity of gender rôles. You can be against insanity on both camps.
Really engaging! So refreshing to listen to a patient and open minded conversation from both sides, and both sides have great points
Patient on both sides? One has interrupted the other twice and I've only been watching for ten minutes😊
@@backtothefuture2880 Maybe I have low standards 😂 Even this level of conversation is rare nowadays
Right? Right? Right? Right? This guy says "right" the way guys think women say "like"
Like is better than right. Does it seem arrogant to you the way he is doing it?
@@kevinsavo718 oh yea when people ask 'Right' repeatedly they're just trying to make u agree, right? Like they're leading u by the nose. See? I make sense! Right? Right? Right? Validate my opinion! Lol
I really like the little custom graphics you've made. You put a lot of effort into your content, that much is clear.
this dude's definition of how to tell what bigotry is seems pretty skewed imo? like...he doesn't go for the far more reasonable "people can do things that are transpohbic, but to be A transphobe one has to exhibit a consistent pattern of transphobic behavior that they do not try to improve on", he just goes for "oh, you're this" based on one interaction because in his mind engaging in that behavior once = being someone who does it habitually. i've always wondered if the internet's obsession with labels could leak into philosophical debates and derail them and...yep, it appears the leakage theory is at least partially correct.
Mother Teresa was once asked what made her work so tirelessly to take care of people no one cared about. She said that she secretly knew that it was because there was a Hitler inside of her. I think we all have to be able to recognize the seeds of both angels and devils inside us all. We each have an obligation to sort out how our values are being applied within our lives and the impact we're actually having.
Is this for real? If that is what she said then given her organisational decisions needlessly prolonging suffering it is truly sinister
@@baqiriq I don't know about the last part of what you said, but yes, this was in an interview that she said this. I know she was a controversial figure that some love and some hate, but this was an insightful comment for us all. Regardless of how it played out in her life, we each have to take responsibility for owning all the parts of ourselves and not owning only what we like and projecting our shadows onto others then demonizing them.
@@IndigooceanOrg Indeed. I highly recommend looking at this topic. It is one of the most absurd and cruelly informative histories I have come across. It starts with a random event and a newly released Kodak film and rapidly Mother Teresa emerges as an international icon of kindness and compassion.
In the end, it is apparent that, although it sold well, it just didn't match the reality.
@@IndigooceanOrg Some of her correspondence was recently published, in which she writes that she never perceived herself as a religious person.
In Polish, the phrase "am I Mother Teresa?" functions as a saying which lives by itself, meaning that one is not a philanthropic institution and "Nope, I won't help". That's funny anyway.
See often in the ⛪️. People with strong dark side try to portray them as good, high moral, virtual moral people. There is something they want to hide. Some use the Bible.
Glad you made an edit of this discussion!
45:12 my first disagreement with Whick-tv through the whole vid: if the majority wants a benefit to itself at the cost of the politician class, or worse- the rich sponsors of the politician class, voting harder won’t cause the politicians to legislate and enforce policies that would benefit the majority at the cost of their rich sponsors no matter how much the majority desires it. The US people can’t outbid a billionaire and they shouldn’t have to. The limits to political power which are symptomatic to the supremacy of the profit-principle are not ones that can be revoked by enough good people voting. That won’t put more money in the rich people’s bank->the rich people will make sure it won’t put enough money at the politician’s bank->the politician will ignore the people’s desire that conflicts with his donors desire. The frustration at powerlessness which motivates despairing people to buy in to half assed fake solutions to their problems only motivates them so because when actual social agency seems impossible people will settle for the (seemingly) next best thing.
That guy is the personification of 'WELL aKScHUALLy..!'
He is so infuriatingly condescending
Strange, I didn’t find him to be condescending, I think he was genuinely trying to understand Kid’s points and respond
@@evanfinnian Try the thirty seconds or so from 21:00 onwards, and there are plenty of other moments. He's definitely condescending.
@Dentarthurdent1973 when people make comments that go against the obvious, look at other comments or posts they've made. Because If some1 is on the agenda, everything they say is going to be supporting that
@@Saan42Fair enough, that part rubbed me the wrong way as well. I think since they differ a little bit in point of view it’s normal for there to be a little interrupting since people naturally want to be heard and understood. However I think here both put effort into understanding the side of the other. Compared to say, the conversation with FD Signifier for instance, this is night and day. That guy was the embodiment of condescending and arrogance and just watching him left a sour taste in my mouth, despite him purporting to defend my rights. Leave it to people like him to completely destroy any chance of creating a bridge between people of differing worldviews.
@@backtothefuture2880 I’m curious what you mean by that, all I’ve said is that I enjoyed the video and I believe that both participants were open minded. Now I may be wrong, but that is just the impression I got. What is obvious is subjective, and is informed by your culture and background. You are talking to people from all over the world with different life experiences and different things will be obvious to them
Kid is fine af
If a term is usually accompanied by "I hate..." or "Punch..." or "Don't listen to this ..." then that's a sign it's a slur, not a useful descriptive for a category of thought. Particularly when there's an incredible diversity of thought within those the label is applied to. The only thing I see consistent about who gets called a trans-exclusionary radical feminist is simply thinking women's rights matter and children can't consent to the same things adults can consent to.
I do not want to argue although I do not agree on any of this. But what slur are you thinking of, only word that comes to my mind is naz i
@@alfredoaohansen7468 I already said the full term it is an abbreviation for in my OC. Trans-exclusionary radical feminist gets shortened as a slur because they don't want to have to apply it only to people who are feminists (let alone adherents to the school of thought known as radical feminism) nor even necessarily trans-exclusionary. It's meant to be a slur used to stop conversation, not facilitate it.
yes thank you
@@consciouscrypto3090 It get's shortened because it's long. Iv'e only seen it be used to describe trans exlusionery feminists, but like, in a broad definition of feminist perheraps
Also. Children can't consent like adults. This has nothing to do with terfs? Are you talking about hormone blockers
25:29 Matt Walsh isn’t “everybody”.
when ones life is so unfulfilling and meaningless they need to rally behind some cause for the greater good 💀
bonus points if its an ex mormon that thinks he can recognize cults but does so much mental gymnastics he miraculously manages to equate the cupcake to transgender minors in Chayas book 💀
I ❤ how you guys are debating anecdotal feelings on a supposed "statistic".
just started watching/listening. Glad to see an open discourse, “face-to-face” so to speak, live.
Didn't JK Rowling write a novel in which the vilain is a man who disguises himself as a woman to kill women? If this isn't transphobia, together with her twitter activity and her friends and acquaintances, then words have no meaning anymore. I'm fine with being careful to not straight away use extreme label such as nazi and the likes, but when words and actions do support the use of the label in a descriptive manner (insults are never useful, just like violence in general), I don't see why we can't use the right label. JK Rowling is thus a TERF and a transphobe, or fits the description of a transphobe. That's unfortunate, it's a stain on her otherwise fairly positive legacy (despite not being a stellar writer, her world building being her forte), but she's a product of her time, of feminism, of the era of social media etc... She didn't need to be an "activist", she could have kept her transphobia to herself. It's even more unfortunate because if we follow her logic, and a sane logic we all aim to abide by, females are a biological reality, trans people are also a biological reality, transwomen are not biologically female but they are women (or transwomen, to not erase the trans experience) in terms of self identity, gender and all the social constructs that surrounds this gender. I don't think there is anything controversial about these observations, most people would share the same.
First, jkr wrote a book in wich there is a character who is a novel writer who wrote anovel in wich there is a killer who is a men but was disguised as a woman, very much dress to kill by di palma style. To say that is proof of transphobia is crazy. Second, the exclusion of trans woman from feminism and female spaces is on the basis of their sex, not their trans condition: trans men are more than welcome because they are female, trans woman are not because they are male
@@estefaniaboujon6830it's a proof of transphobia only because of her other actions around the time. If she had not made public political statements it could be seen as more banal.
lmfao like there hasn’t been serial killers who wore disguises to get access to their victims and multiple serial killers who wore women’s clothes and lingerie as part of their fetish. Get fucking real.
But J.K. Rowling isn't transphobic. A trans woman isn't a man that dresses up as a woman. If anything you're the one equating the two which makes you the actual transphobe.
@@estefaniaboujon6830Exactly! I'm a trans woman, and I know that I don't belong in the feminist movement.
You go KId 👍🏽,, Ur are very strong to keep on with this conversation ,,
if you want to know what trans people want and believe you can always ask. A lot of us just don't have the time for advocacy (being trans isn't exactly easy), but if you ask and treat us like human beings, then plenty of us are more than happy to talk.
(nothing about us without us and all that) :^)
My biggest issue with your arguments is that after listening to tens of videos from you I still don’t understand what you mean by “ideology”, despite your constant claim that it’s the biggest psycho-social issue of our time.
add 'individual' and 'politics'. ofc these are very fuzzy & complex concepts that people have been trying to understand for millennia, and there's no consensus in sight, but it'd be nice to know-at least approximately-how kidology approaches these concepts.
@@real_pattern individuals and politics are slightly clearer concepts than ideology. We have an awareness of political systems to varying degrees of details, and we can differentiate between individuals and groups, albeit the reasoning for their actions have varied differing explanations. Ideology just seems like “idea with social repercussions”, but Kid still uses it to chastise contemporary society, thus I understand her to hold it in contempt. If that’s my misunderstanding of her intent in use of the term as including negative ethical judgement, or to a wholly different meaning I’d be happy to be corrected, and if I’m not I’d be happy to be explained why she deems such a wide concept to have necessarily negative consequences which it seems she desires society to abandon
Yeah particularly on the topic of this video, I’m not sure how you can be okay with trans people but not “trans ideology,” whatever that means. Kid seems to empathize with trans people when it comes to the abuse and discrimination they face, which makes it seem odd that she takes such a stance. If you are generally supportive of trans people, then you should know that their so-called “ideology” is simply having their identity respected and acknowledged. If you recognize that there is a systemic issue plaguing trans people, then you must realize that the solution must also be systemic, and that means certain “ideologies” may arise to get people on board and have a common language to discuss things. But “trans ideology” is no more an ideology than “terf ideology,” yet this criticism is curiously not levied towards terfs. Any system of moral beliefs can be considered an “ideology”; what matters is whether such beliefs are justified.
@@jonathancangelosi2439 Kid doesn’t seem to be a conservative in denying the weight of social systems, she just seems to defend people’s goals for legislating against freedom of movement & access to healthcare to trans people. THAT IS DISTINCT FROM actually supporting it herself, but I’m in agreement with Wick-tv in this videos, it SEEMS to rhetorically imply (again: not enough to confirm, just seems to affirm) bio-essentialism in regards to the social aspects of sex. I.e. that changing gender is fine in name but in not in any other field. I’d love to be mistaken, and I’d be happy to get a clear understanding even if I’m right. Currently Kid’s opinions on the topic of transgender people’s allowance to participate in public life in whatever extent is just ambiguous to me.
@@benzur3503 Yeah I’m really disappointed in the comments on this one. Feels like most people came here to shit on trans people rather than actually try to understand anything. I’m not too surprised though, as some of her previous videos were quite trans-antagonistic and more likely to draw that kind of audience. I have a bit more respect for Kid knowing she actually empathizes with trans people, though. I just wish she extended a bit less empathy to people who want to take away trans people’s rights.
did boogie2988 split 6 years ago and this is his other half ?
this was a great conversation
You absolutely murked him & I ate it up. Especially when he was getting caught up in semantics💀
I think you missed the whole point of this conversation if you think anyone was ‘murked’..
@@gummybearyeeah you have comprehension skills. She murked him. He attempted to paint her as a TERF and failed miserably. If you don’t know what murked means urban dictionary can help you.
Love that face on your thumbnail
32:40
zealotry: fanatical and uncompromising pursuit of religious, political, or other ideals; fanaticism.
Yes ideology is included
4:55 this is why internationalism must fail: edge and niche depend on perspective and what the whole is. Supranational authorities care just as little about niches and edges as other humans, but if you have power over billions edge and niche are whole nations. Humans are unable to govern such large numbers effectively (ie for their benefit), such policies are harsh and the people implementing them care nothing for the effects.
This dude seems so pedantic. He made some good points, but I think really he just came to this discussion for content purposes, looking for a victory/to force defeat. He's smart, but not as smart as he thinks he is.
I don't think he was "looking for a victory/to force defeat" (and neither was Kidology), but it seems a large portion of her audience is. And there is a very good reason for being pedantic with definitions, because why have an argument at all if we don't clearly define what we mean? That's a pure waste of time...
God, they way in wich men think they are so much smarter than they are😅
Man this guy is condescending. Idk JK Rowling is a feminist but im not shes radical by any stretch. Which is funny considering the conversation being had 😝. Always love hearing you elaborate
J.K. Rowling says a lot of things that radical feminists highly disagree with.
None of this would matter if people weren't intrusive. Whatever your thing is (in action only) keep it over there. Be that person with like people. Don't intrude.
Everyone has their own thing
Facts. It’s really simple.
Shallow comment but your hair looks gorgeous
I get called a terf because I dare to claim that denying females sex-based boundaries in the handful of situations where they need them is abusive.
My position isnt remotely ideological and my objective is not to exclude trans people, it is to defend the rights of females*, irrespective of how they identify, including myself.
* That isn’t to say I don’t care about males, irrespective of how they identify.
@@SamBeck6090What has that got to do with anything I’ve said?
@@SamBeck6090Intersex people are either male or female. For example Turner syndrome -> X Chromosome -> female development
@@SamBeck6090 I said females asserting sex-based boundaries in the handful of situations where it is relevant to them. The sex of most people with differences of sex development is known, and the overwhlelming majority of trans identified people are _not_ intersex.
@@SamBeck6090 intersex people always have a dominant sex, they're not a perfect blend of the 2. It's just a variation of the 2 sexes, not a new one.
@@SamBeck6090 I mean personally I don't get your point either because it's pretty common for intersex people to identify as intersex and nothing else. Even if they choose to not identify solely with this label, they'll just use whatever pronouns they feel most comfortable with in regard to their physical development which is fine as well. Intersex has nothing to do with being trans.
But when will kidology address #TOOTHGATE #OPENWIDE eh? 👀
Damn he is coming off like a David Letterman here. I like the guy, but he needs to cut down on the smug condescension. She is much brighter than he is
16:36 the issue is the ideas and the fact people want discussion stopped because the ideas can’t be reasoned. The left believes these ideas are true and need other to agree with them - and they don’t care about counter arguments. This is exactly like religious people ‘calling out’ heretics. Ideas need to be discussed, mocked, thought about, but people need to be respected.
People acting on bad ideas should be judged on the actions.
This guy speaks in such a condescending way. I strongly dislike him based solely off of that. He seems so insufferable
RE: Rowling, how is giving priority to ANY group of people not bigotry? If she gave preference to one ethnicity over another would there be any uncertainty that THAT was bigoted?
a domestic violence survivor caring more for women is not bigotry, it's a pretty natural response.
Muslim women tend to priorities other muslim women in their activism.
There are hundreds of organisations for vulnerable groups which priorities one group over another. Nothing bigoted about it.
@@stephanie6851I find that people with these talking points dont understand that things are not black or white
@@stephanie6851 You think trans people don't suffer domestic violence too?
this dude is so patronising my god
He talks as if he's talking to a 7 year old
I actually disagree with both of you. He said that we talk about the trans stuff because right wing people just chose them to pick apart and you agreed. That's not true. Right wing people just started noticing them more once they exposed themselves and went viral a la Dylan Mulvaney etc.
No one seems to think excluding men from women's prison is misandry, so no, excluding transwomen from women's shelters, prisons, and sports is not transphobic
Sexism and transphobia aren’t the same thing. This is an apples-to-oranges comparison.
@jonathancangelosi2439 no, both are excluding a group based on classification.
So where do trans women go ?
Yes it is, since trans women are women and mothers men.
@@jonathancangelosi2439 You’re right. Sexism is a real form of oppression and transphobia is just the latest rendition of “misandry”.
The creature interviewing her could be from a movie like WALL-E where humanity is close to shutting down. Physically, he looks and sounds as though his body contains no trace of muscle or testosterone; and intellectually, his droning of the current establishment 'message' is even more alarming due to his dalek/evil slug appearance.
20:40 ‘the words she has done to others’. Censorship is bad, always bad.
Oh and please set out the principles of consent please for this ‘healthcare’.
Whick is cool n all but I agree with more of your viewpoint than his
No, the reason we're discussing this is because the alphabet activists couldn't be satisfied with legalized gay marriage. They had to embrace men with AGP fetishes and honor them more than women, and add in the minor attracted people as part of the alphabet community.
People aren't going to stand for that, whether right, left or center. It is a losing effort. Give it up! We will never accept it and if that's what's required to accept trans people, trans people are in a trouble that won't go away.
Dude what are you talking about. Trans people want nothing to do with “minor attracted people.” It sounds like you’re just trying to make an association between trans people and pedos that doesn’t exist. And we all know how that tactic turned out with gay people…
I'm trans, and I definitely agree with you. The alphabet community has honored AGPs more than trans women too.