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I agree with way more of this video then I'd have guessed after you said you watch Al-Jazeera all day. Westphalia was an implicitly antisemitic treaty, if you plug that into your logic you'll REALLY start to get it. That and Hajj-Amin Al Husenni.
@@nomihagan I have a right to comment on a video and give critique. Did you know that we trained bin laden gave him billions of dollars and helped him build his army? That was never mentioned in this video. We helped create this monster. Please respond.
OMG when I saw the Thumbnail with Lynette I just clicked immediately…. I think she’s becoming a little bit extremist and I wanted to know your thoughts thank you so much!
Ya.....destroying the country allowed the warlords to take over causing infinitely more suffering. Also as Hillary Clinton herself admitted USA created the taliban which evolved out of the Mujahadeen.
I'm sure some of them are just equally supporting the Patri again and their society as some support. This patriarchy in our society or the toxic parts there are always mammies
Not to mention you are part of the society you're in, so you start to ingest these ideology To some people that is the only life they know, so yours could only be wrong
And that's the problem - it takes 90 minutes of learning and understanding deep and hard topics in order to counter 90 seconds of TikTok. This is why bad ideas spread much faster. We are doomed.
Good ideas spread fast that way too. Social media and the internet in general, it's like fire, or blades. Potentially extremely dangerous, but so useful nobody in their right mind would go back to before we had them.
@@audreymuzingo933 Exactly, as fast as bad ideas spread, counter ideas that completely cancels the ideas before them spread just as fast. That's why it feels like if you miss a week in tiktok it feels like you've missed a decade of trends and anti-trends. Just like how ppl got obsessed with OBL fast because they lack further details, counter ideas like kidology's take here will spread just as fast, you just wait and see. I personally think it's a big mistake to associate OBL, and Hamas with the Palestinian cause. That is one thing I hated about kidology's video.
It's not 90 seconds of TikTok, it's 12 years of state-sponsored "education" that pops out 18-year-olds with 0 wisdom or critical thinking ability. If schools had done their job, no amount of propaganda produced by 3rd world illiterates would make our youth budge. The DOE and the academia are single-handedly swinging the pendulum of wisdom back into the pre-Enlightenment era, and nobody cares. THAT, is why we're doomed.
No she literally avoided the full context of the tik toks and now her audience is patting themselves on the back criticizing tik tokers for what they’re talking about. It’s not about Osama Bin Ladin. They’re waking up to the reality of Israel. In no uncertain terms Isreal has openly said that the goal is genocide. She never touches that part of the conversation. She then justifies it and says it’s just what nation states do. That’s bs and I’m so disappointed in her. I’ve been giving her the benefit of the doubt for a while but she’s definitely running defense for the right like Jordan Peterson before he went mask off.
Honestly this is why we need good friends. You’re supposed to explore these ideas with them PRIVATELY so that you don’t lead people down a path without being qualified. Which goes for almost all of the internet. I’m a year away from leaving America with a backpack and a flip phone. Fuck this
Honestly I understand wanting to move out 😭😭 Europe isn't perfect in my experience but the education system somewhat encourages media/political literacy. Even if some individual techers/professors/politicians still lack it... Aside from more accessible education, we also need more third places to meet ppl and discuss ideas to avoid being chronically online
I'm American and part of Gen Z, and I was not shocked or moved by the letter, so it makes me think about the differences millennials may have had in their education growing up. I wonder if millennials were taught less about the history of terrorism and the Middle East and that's why they feel lied to. In my geopolitical and history courses, my teachers were honest about the ways that Britain, the US, and other Western countries have contributed to the growth of terrorist organizations. We had nuanced discussions about the complicated decisions that the US had to make after 9/11 and were challenged to think about when the War on Terror has been justified and when it hasn't been. Maybe these TikTokers and millennials at large did not have this kind of curriculum in their K-12 classrooms and instead were only fed patriotic pro-War-on-Terror propaganda in the aftermath of 9/11, which is why they are having such a crisis after reading the letter. In my opinion, you can hold both criticism or even condemnation of your own government and the condemnation of those opposed to it, especially when they're literal terrorists and murderers. I'm right there with you in the middle ground when it comes to foreign politics and I think it's good to take it by a case-by-case basis.
I'm 28 so a millennial and definitely feel lied to and propagandized. I haven't read the letter yet, but just over the past few years have done so much unlearning and relearning when it comes to US history and politics. It's super jarring.
I don't think it has to do with generations. I am firmly a millennial...34. I think class and regional culture are a part of the surprise. For example, people saying they feel lied to. Many millennials were old enough to critically think and do their own research about the war on terror. They likely spent their time on Aol instant messenger or livejournal instead. I was 12 when the world trade center fell. The internet was alive and well. I am from southern california, middle class, with grandparents that are academics and political radicals/exiles. This letter is not new to me, I would not believe it to be new to anyone I went to school with. This current phenomena is surprising to me, because terrorism, the war on terror and breaking down the news at that time were regular parts of my curriculum. I mean, watching the clips in this video causes me pause. There is one tiktoker who clearly doesn't know the difference between Sadam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden(Osama was not a dictator). I have to remember that my experience and what I learned in school is not likely close to what the average person experienced and learned. In part because of my personal background, but growing up in a seemingly liberal state, in a median tax bracket school district as well.
@@thebitterprojector Yeah, region and quality of education are probably big contributors. I thought it might be a generational thing since I figured the strongest propaganda would be in the years immediately following 9/11. I'm not gonna lie, though it doesn't seem like there are major class differences in the creators talking about this. From what I have seen from their other content, it seems like most of these creators are middle and upper-class.
@@tracer4322 I think the seeming of things can be misleading. For example, the influencer who has a large apartment and rents someone else's tesla on touro - they are clearly making poor financial choices. But they are conflating "living in abundance" and "faking it til you make it." That type of decision-making would say to me that this person did not grow up in a home where financial literacy was a topic. How people decide to portray their lifestyle after they grow up, isn't necessarily how they grew up or what their lifestyle actually is. Also, the structure of their argument-making doesn't read for the schooling of that time. Even my education had a strong emphasis on "teaching to the test," which at my schools meant CollegeBoard exams like the SATs and AP exams. Proper argument structure was drilled into us. It might be the conversational aspect of the internet, but their arguments poke holes in themselves and often get lost in conflated ideas. So I wouldn't expect these people to have private school or high tax bracket public school educations. Things like mixing up Sadam Hussein and Osama, and comparing militaristic violence to terrorism while they speak to a lack of education, they also speak to a lack of personal research and critical thinking. Regionally, not learning or looking into these things clearly wasn't a priority where these people grew up, which I can say isn't true of my millennial upbringing. Several of the people I grew up with heard about 9/11 in real time because we all had satellite tv service which had east coast news stations standard with regional news stations. In school we watched translations of videos of Osama and discussed them. We talked about the Soviet-Afghan conflict which people claim led to the climate which allowed 9/11 to happen. In the larger war on terror we heard arguments against the documents that supposedly reported wmds in Iraq. before the invasion. So I know that there are millennials who were not "lied to" and everything I've been told is clearly different than everything these influencers have been told. When I try to think of why that is, I do what I usually do and point to my silly coastal elite privilege.
I used to fear that I might be missing out by never dowloading tik tok due to my phone being too shitty to support the app. But I now realise how blessed I am. I might be broke and socially isolated but I will never have brains so scrambled by an app I start fangirling after BIN LADEN. Monthy pyton world lmao
I started this video and way like WTF am I listening too. Clearly these people didn’t live through 911 America. I was 11 when it happened and the havoc it wrecked on the heart of America is/was insane. I’m not an American militarist by any means but cmon the comparisons in those tiktoks were insanity.
I was barely a kid during this time so I hardly remember but I do remember a lot of the aftermath. Especially how mentally devastated people were. A lot of the younger generations don't realize how great of a depression it inflicted on our country.@@Unkuuu
That first woman, i cant remenber her name, was ran off the internet for being a pathological liar so i dont think her insight has much value. Secondly, my conservative family asked me about this letter and thankfully i explained that this opinion is a SMALLLLLLL segment of progressives and most of us are going "What the hell is wrong with you?" Additionally: i feel like progressives are so committed to being anti-american, that anything that actually is anti-american MUST be justified when in actuality, these radical groups (in this case radical islamic extremists) are vehemently anti everything the progressives stand for. Like, these groups actively suppress women by limiting their education, divorce is not an option for women, women are FORCED to wear full niqabs, gays are thrown off buildings, innocent people are brutally killed. Like...you do realize that youre blue-haired, ultra feminist, queer american stance would result in you being killed, like YALL WE UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT Reading the letter is very important, and learning about the perspectives of other nations and groups, but lets not completely negate the fact he brutally killed people.
What’s wild to me is that there are so many better people who critique the US/West whose voices these influencers could have chosen to amplify and somehow…. They chose a terrorist? They chose to amplify the voice of someone responsible for many deaths and pain. The lack of nuance and thought from these influencers is painful. They could really benefit from enrolling in an introduction to politics or human rights course at their local college instead of hopping on TikTok
Wonder if any of these pple would hold these views if their family members had been in those towers on 9/11 smh. Also I’m against the wars and coups and international instability waged by the US globally… but also I’m not going to sit here and cheer on or make excuses for a terrorist that was also responsible for death and suffering. These kids forget that the US isn’t the only imperial power in the world or in history.
I think the issue is partly down to the fact that a lot of modern women have no sense of self-preservation and are happy to support policies that are actively in opposition to themselves, I.e. whatever the fuck is going on here. I definitely get the sense that despite calling themselves feminists, the rights of women are secondary or even tertiary to their primary goal, which is to appear to be Progressive and Woke. Or maybe deep down they do support the patriarchy…
Well they probably write essays that are a bit longer than 2 pages and that don't depict the world in black and white and victims and aggressors.@@katnap7157
Kid, your videos are those I routinely view. You are a true intellectual, not some faux pseudo. I may not agree with EVERYTHING you say, but even those times I half agree with you . We need more brilliant people like you and you keep RUclips genuine
Absolutely, everything she says are well thought out and researched if she were an author or wrote think pieces I would buy and read everything. She doesn’t push her own narrative to hard the points I disagree with encourage me to look more into the matter to make up my own mind, I love her
The brain doesn’t finish maturing until around 25. I look at myself in my late teens/early 20’s and even though I was an adult I truly knew nothing but had the confidence as if I did because social media and modern parenting/schooling encourages praising kids and never questioning or discouraging them from any actions or ideas. And it’s getting worse for kids every year because they’re even more online and exposed to fake news and polarizing insane opinions on Twitter. It’s just unchecked narcissism, mental illness, a lack of actually reading and educating ourselves, a lack of critical thinking, and immaturity. All of this festering online to become more toxic, irrational, and removed from reality.
I got so distracted by seeing Mia, all I could think about was that she had completely lost it. It really is insane how we went from defending people's right to live as they see fit to repeating the propaganda fed to suicide bombers and the like.
@@bratwurstmitbiryani??? This is wild, we can condemn and critique the actions of the US and Western states without glorifying terrorists? Should we take the letters of Charles Manson seriously? Say he perhaps had a point? Should we try to understand where he was coming from? It’s gross to see people glorifying terrible human beings… there are so many others who criticize and critique the west and don’t kill innocent people? Amplifying their voices would probably be a better use of influence and lead to a better discussion… right message wrong messenger.
no we shouldn't. But the voices of reason you've mentioned got annihilated by the likes of US/Israel. This is a reality too. Because they knew they should not fear some parochial suicidal lunatics who don't speak to every man - they should fear precisely the educated and thus truly POWERFUL voices of reason and love coming from people who were ready to lead in those countries and had a lot of credibility for everyone: religious, liberal, secular groups. That is the problem now. Look at Iran, Afghanistan in the 1970s. Who supported the overthrow of those govenernments. @@katnap7157 The United States was so obsessed to block the spread of "socialism" that they encouraged nationalist parties in these countries or even extremists (who yes! persecuted the Jewish population) to kill every opposition of such sorts. Socialism in the middle east needed to be an impossibility cuz the world needed oil & USA uber alles smh smh. Contrary to the saying it's much easier to negociate with terrorists than with leaders who really care for the good and wealth of their nation.
Kid, I saw your interview on Trig. I really commend you for thinking independently and advocating for doing your own actual research. Not listening to talking heads or trends. The world would be a saner place if more took your approach. I thank you for creating this channel and for sharing your thoughts with us!
4:20 I'm sorry but that's a TERRIBLE argument imho. That argument is equal to justifying the horrific war crimes of the nyahtzee regime. Governments act as terroristic entities against other countries all the time. The fact that the military is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity because their gov told them so actually doesn't justify those actions, and as the nyahtzees have discovered even decades later you can and will be punished and convicted for those crimes, and everybody will see the punishment as just, because we've determined that "because my government told me so" is not a justification. Likewise, if ones government is poisonous or corrupt, they will call any group acting against them or their desires a terrorists group regardless of how pure or justifiable the behavior, and also no matter how objectively terroristic the government desires and orders truly are.
I agree entirely. The US government has committed so many atrocities, many considered illegal. The idea that the US Militarily has never overstepped the boundaries it claims to be under is ludicrous
9:09 Total war was practiced by the Japanese in the second world war as well. They had high schools converted into factories, and even had teenagers working as nurses for the war effort on at least one occassion. Total war is horrific, but it's not as new as you might think. 💔
I wonder if these kids would seek out knowledge if there wasn't a site you could spend 60 secs saying whatever popped into your head at the time and make a thousand bucks posting it.
Doesn’t mean they’re wrong. People are purposely misinterpreting and cutting out the context of them reading the letter. Instead they’d rather bury their heads in the ground and go with what imperial powers say and not what every humanitarian watchdog is saying. Propaganda is so strong, you see a random black woman who speaks well and omits key facts and contexts agreeing with your worldview and you just eat the propaganda. She starts the video with, terrorism is only when I say it’s terrorism and it’s not me doing it. Then the this is normal, stop freaking out
Hey, one of them was on point at least even if it was simplistic. The one who said that it just said her realise that osama was in alot of ways the product of US imperialism( she didnt say it in thease words, im paraphrasing) The rest of them tho, didnt really think about anything on the matter, they basidally did the same thing as people who defend Us imperialism do, but only for binladen Have a good day
34:08 another one which i think is a good example of someone who potencially has something good to offerx even tho she uses this wierd spiritual language, and oversimplifies things, but the important this is that beofre the timestamp, she said " have a conversation with people and learn more about thease things" Which is basicaly her point i think. And i think that aspect of it is wonderful. I think that potencially she is so far in the clip a gateway towards the left for people who dont understand thease things much but who would have is they were thought. For all this talk about others beeing smug..we should also realise our own smugness when it comes to not only thease people on tiktok but the people watching them wjo aguree with them. Everyone has their own journey, and we cant expect perfection if a person is at the begining of finding thease thinsg out. And if we then gatekeep and make oposition, we might just deterr them from figuring shit out. Educate, but realise when you are beeing smug as well. Besides their very mistaken opinion that binladen had a good reason for killing, since there is no good reason for killing. Besides that, the rest of their opinions are not even controversial i would say. Honestly, i dont like defending media figures, so for tje sake of the people agureeing with them i think we can be more educational and more explanatory then straight up judgemental( even when people do diserve judgement) because if they read judgement they will only potencially get shame, but if they read an opinion or information on how they are wrong, then they can potencially understand what the problem is.
@@MalkuthEmperori definitely appreciate that perspective. I mostly agree with you about the one you timestampped, but there was more context than only what she said in that video. I understand they're just kids and still learning. However, i remain unconvinced tiktok has any positive role to play. It's just making it harder for the children.
i think arguing in favor of middle ground positions as an antidote to false dichotomies doesnt make sense because being in the middle implies you are between two oppositional sides. thats why i think valuing centrism by itself locks you into a dichotomous framework. like i think your perspective is better described as just a third perspective rather than one point on a continuum.
I disagree with the idea of the 'middle ground' as the golden mean, its a position, there can be more than 2 positions, but the middle position isn't the superior one by default.
I think Integralism is a much better framework: look at what the multiple sides are saying, learn why they are saying it, figure out what is true/what is false, evaluate arguments based on what is real, and then make a policy proposal.
You damn right, a big reason for pointless discourse is that people think the argument only really has two directions of varying degrees. How can you agree with someone else when it means going the opposite direction of what you believe?
You really think that a person describing themself as "in the middle" somehow becomes locked into binary thinking? How would that actually work in reality? If someone offered them a third perspective would they have to say: "nope, sorry I'm only able to consider two points of view because I self-identify as 'in the middle'."
Thank you so much for this. As someone who specialized in rhetoric/critical theory/etc in university, I'm so frustrated by much of what comes out of TikTok, and I wish that all people who put media in the world cared about sharing their ideas with the level of nuance you've exhibited here (and in your other videos too). We really do have to do better and not jump on board with people who are young and impressionable and speaking from an oversimplified, incorrect, naive, under-read worldview.
I’m amazed these TikTok generations actually have the focus to read a letter from anybody. Read one letter and they are now foreign policy experts. Simplistic and nieve is an understatement.
to be fair older generations are not much better, its just been on a downward trend from new segments, to articles on the web, to reddit posts, to tiktok
the 'trend' was really quite small, not enough to define an entire generation. in fact, a lot of Gen Zers seem to me (and I'm biased, as a Gen Zer lol) to pull up to arguments and debates with actual evidence. older folks I talk to generally seem to skim headlines on facebook and base entire viewpoints on those.
I want to push back against the notion that states cannot be of a terrorist nature. The current acts of terror on the people of Gaza are an obvious example of terroristic violence perpetrated by a state. Same goes for systemic war crimes by Russia in Ukraine, or for Crimes against Humanity by the Nigerian army in territories with Boko Haram activity. The US has also engaged in acts of terroristic violence, such as the fire bombings of the second world war, the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima ans Nagasaki, or the indiscriminate bombing of Laos -a neutral nation - during the Vietnam war. I feel I don't even have to mention the many acts of state terrorism engaged in by Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany. Hope the point is clear: States and militaries can absolutely engage in terrorism directly and purposely.
That's a really great point, in Afghanistan also the Taleban took over the government. In South America the democratically chosen governments were violently overthrown by US-backed far right groups.
@@rachelforshee6014they bombed 11000 children and refused negotiations. Worse case Hamas lied and you start again. At least you have the hostages but then they can’t keep bombing. This is about being opportunistic and seizing more land and that’s what Hamas wants because then maybe people will see. This isn’t new. This has been happening since before October 7. It just got worse
I’m wondering if any of these Americans, not just Americans who recently discovered “bin Laden‘s letter to America” and anyone who lives in the Western World, have listened to Eisenhower’s speech on the military-industrial complex from 1961 - just out of curiosity. I’m going to lean towards probably not.
Those who’s personality is only driven by empathy and self-hatred will inevitably find their personal ideology flitting between whichever sympathetic and emotive voices they stumble across. They’ve done so little reading and critical thinking that their opinion is just whoever’s voice reaches them most consistently
This is why I think this Bin Laden trend is either a troll or the product of intense illiteracy - there have been multiple voices critiquing American- style imperialism/ Military engagement for DECADES with some of these voices being actual elected officials who are household names.
It’s pretty famous, they mention it at least once in most basic US history classes. They don’t go in depth, but they mention the main points. However, I do think it’s pretty overblown. Yeah, the military is huge and has a big influence over US policy, but it’s certainly not the only thing in that category. The oil and fruit trades, overseas manufacturing, etc. It may be scary if we were spending that much on just the ability to kill people, but we’re not. The companies we give the money to are mostly american, their workers are american, and therefore the taxes they pay are to the american government. We use the military like direct investment that also happens to give us the ability to control the world, not the other way around.
I really love it when bourgeoisie brats who think it's stressful to express opinions in their pyjamas with a cuppa after pressing a button on their super-computer think they're the natural allies and great mates of extremely violent sociopaths.
The oldest of the younger people are finally growing into their frontal cortex’s. These gals are, what, all in their early-mid 20s. It’s normal to suddenly come to realizations about your world views at this stage of development. What’s different is, the context of their upbringing was divorced from the realities of the lived-experiences of events like 9/11, the unibomber, all the things. They either weren’t born, or were too young to personally feel the terror or witness the consequences of the violence. It’s normal to have a period of time where you suddenly experience empathy for perpetrators of horrendous crimes. I think that’s a marker of adult maturity. However, like all cookies that crumble, none repeat exactly the same way. And thus, you have some young people picking up the wrong conclusions and running ALONG with the perpetrators narratives! Why? Because they don’t know wth they’re talking about yet 😅. They’re still growing and figuring stuff out. Dialogue is good. A ton of rigorous and diverse research as well as travel should be encouraged for young people today. ❤
This is a really good point, and as someone who’s almost 26 I can confirm - the way my brain has changed over the last few years is akin to that thing when you hit puberty and suddenly feel extremely profound for awhile because your brain can finally have a complex thought.
This is utter crap man, the only reason these girls and guys are having their worlds shattered is cause of lack of education. They have simply been let down by their families and education systems. They were never exposed to the perspectives of people who the US has harmed with its foreign policy. I am a politics nerd, and I have been since I was about 12, so in the same way other people may know everything about the ninja turtles or something, I could tell you the underlying causes and impacts of the vietnam war. I had this realization that american foreign policy wasn’t always the best around the time I was 13 during my Green Day phase. And I am no genius, so if 13 year old me can come to that realization in a conservative household then it has nothing to do with being 23.
@@blucantrell2 you’re not wrong to ask these questions. But how do you fix problems? Turn over the table and walk away? Bad actors must be rooted out and replaced by people who have virtues and will to serve others for a better world for all. The problem of evil is very real. Insidious. And a hard problem. Thank you for your comment. Keep reading and exploring and talking with others.
Absolutely agree. I'm 25, and to think how much I've personally grown and matured in the past 7 years since I was a freshman in uni is insane. Like you, I think that research is important to allow us to change our minds and even reflect on how much it's changed. But the truth is that researching and reading takes up a lot of time and effort, and the vast majority of people aren't willing to do that. So we end up stuck with a bunch of people with little to no life experience out in the real world who think they are specialists in extremely complex issues. I have a BA in International Relations, and graduated back in 2020 with, ironically, a dissertation about the normalising ties between Israel and the Arab countries and how that could affect the two-State solution going forward. As a result, I had to read pretty much everything I could find on the Middle East's history since the early 1900s to understand what's going on now - and I have to say that I was far more empathetic to the Palestinian plight before I read about it in-depth and saw how the PLO and other organizations managed to stir up trouble everywhere they went. It's hard to feel sorry for a people ungrateful enough they're willing to commit terror attacks against people in countries who offered them refuge - not just in the Middle East, but around the world. Many of them aren't interested in solving the problem, they just want to bring it with them everywhere they go and make it everyone else's issue to solve. That's why I feel empathy for the civilians who legitimately don't agree with terror acts, but it's nearly impossible to tell them apart from the "civilians" who don't commit terror acts themselves, but endorse and celebrate when they happen. I mean, there's a good reason why the far-right seems to be getting stronger in a lot of Western countries again, and people like these tiktokers are one of the reasons for it.
Tiktokers learning about the motivations of Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda is not a bad thing. They aren't calling for violence. What they are doing is educating themselves about the complicated nature of geopolitcs. For instance, the South African ANC party that overthrew the Apartheid state was once considered a terrorist organization and they did kill civilians just like Al-Qaeda. Mandela was on a terrorist watchlist until 2008.
The ANC didn't target civilians or human life. Important point of accuracy. Other more radical movements like the PAC and later AZAPO had a different tactic. That said, the argument is still useful
Except for the fact that tiktokers aren't simply learning about the motivations. They're reading a screed that includes blaming the Jews within the first paragraph and are saying "Wow, I love Bin Laden! They lied to us about him!" just completely brushing over the genocidal, misogynistic, Islamic colonialist sh*t they just read. THAT is dangerous and that IS a problem.
Glad that people are taking a deeper dive into the whole Gaza thing rather than falling into the easy trap of polarizing to one side or the other. Sadly, a lot of people have made up their minds about things and see any other thought as a threat and people with bigger picture ideas as an instant enemy
There also seems to be some overlap between Islamic radicalism and the red pill. I’ve seen complaints that many conservative millennial and Gen Z Muslim men in Europe are becoming Andrew Tate fans. Even the Taliban seems to feel emasculated, and feminism isn’t exactly thriving in Afghanistan
Absolutely, Tate loves a religion that openly states you can beat your wife and that women should obey them. He said part of the reason he went to Islam specifically was the culture was strong, and specified people don't make fun of Islam as they fear it unlike Christianity.
The Redpill idolizes the fruits of Islamic fundamentalism - "White Sharia" was also a semi serious ideal of a lot of alt-right spaces who have some redpill overlap.
@@wormwoodcocktail They aint wrong. Islam places huge emphasis in biological differences between M and W. If the West will thrive in the future and not get swollen by post modern stupidity and genderlesness self hatred, is gonna be thanks to Islam ironically
??? How do we know they’re progressive? Also, this was like a few tiktokers, I don’t understand why everyone is losing their minds over bad internet takes.
@@Sarah-re7cg oh and the reason people are reacting is those same few videos went insane viral; why do you take issue with people calling out progressive mistakes?
I feel this so much with communism. Milions of people had suffered, including my familly, and yet some kids in their cozy western chairs are saying like its tghe best thing ever.
I think the argument here is that political ideology alone has no power whatsoever, and essentially there isn’t any government or country in the world practicing purely one ideology. It is actually the greedy power hungry politicians who will use whenever means that give them power that are causing the sufferings. Dictatorship is real culprit not ideology. If ideology holds any power, then the political world will be run by philosophers 😂😂😂There are merits in all the philosophies and ideologies. Like China is actually one of the more capitalistic country when it comes to economic practices, and the US also has labour unions and labour movement sparked by communism to protect labour right.
These tiktoks all do one thing - direct you to engage in their comments. I think this is people hopping on a trend rather than people who actually read the letter (or possibly read anything ever). Notice they don't actually have anything to say about the contents of said letter - such as the homophobia. Just gross people greedy for engagement.
I haven't watched the full video yet, but I just want to share a few of my opinions. Regarding the Letter, everyone is saying that "look! He didn't just attack America because he "hated our freedoms", he had actual good reasons!", and yes, part of those reasons do include American foreign policy of the 80s and 90s regarding the Middle East. But, what they aren't talking about is that those aren't his only reasons for attacking America. He _did_ say that he also attacked America because we haven't adopted Sharia Law, because women have rights, because we don't follow Islam, because we allow the "debauchery" of homosexuality and gambling. So all those videos where people were saying "wow he had actual good reasons" are either ignorant or conveniently ignoring the fact that YES, he DID hate us for our freedoms, that just wasn't the only reason. And sure, maybe saying "he hates us for our freedoms" is kind of a cringy way of saying it, and he certainly wouldn't call those "freedoms", but still, he DID hate us for those reasons, in ADDITION to the foreign policy reasons. So anyone saying anyone saying that he had "real reasons" is ignoring the full letter. He hated us for a variety of reasons, and "our freedoms" was a part of that. In addition, is everyone stanning this letter suddenly forgetting what he did? On what planet could you possible justify what he did for _any_ reason? So because the American government did things that he didn't like, the logical (and apparently acceptable?) response is to kill thousands of innocent Americans who had absolutely nothing to do with what he's angry about. Many of the people who died on 9/11 weren't even American, and yet they still suffered and died, the same as everyone else. And I feel like a lot of the people talking so positively about this letter don't seem to realize just how horrible 9/11 was. They say "go read Bin Laden's Letter to America" and I say to them "go listen to the 911 calls made by Melissa Doi and Kevin Cosgrove on 9/11." They are absolutely horrifying. And tell me, after listening to those calls, did either of them deserve that fate? As someone who has done lots of extensive research on 9/11, one thing I've found is that the deeper and deeper you go into the research rabbit hole, the worse it gets. Every time you think it can't get worse, you find something that proves you wrong, and so to think that someone could read this letter and think that it serves any justification whatsoever for the atrocities committed against innocent people is wild to me. Maybe he had justifiable reasons for being angry at the American government. If you stop there, fine. But he went on to murder thousands of innocent people in one of worst, most atrocious terrorist acts in modern history. He ended thousands of lives, and ruined countless more. He claims to care about children in his letter, but what about all the children's lives he ruined by taking their parents away from them? What about all the children he killed (because there were children on the planes, as young as two years old). He did all of that, but it's okay and "justified" because America (and Americans) are the only country and the only people that it's okay to hate. Anti-Americanism is popular, hating them is okay, sometimes even encouraged. I swear some people are so addicted to anti-Americanism that they will literally go so far as to justify and sympathize with a literal terrorist who killed thousands of innocent people (and not just on 9/11 either) if it means they get to blame Americans for something.
I'm always awestruck by how well you put into words what I'm feeling at the moment. At the end you say how predominantly brown women have been falling victim to this narrative of "i'm such a poor colonised warrior" by Osama (and to some extent liberal White women too). It's very similar to something we have been experiencing a lot as Exmuslims. especially Exmuslim women living in predominantly Islamic country by Muslims who live in the West: this sense of faux-enlightenment which is thinly-veiled superiority complex that they feel by simping/caping for the underdog, in this case Islamic religion. So a lot of necessary criticisms, be it of Islam, Taliban or even Hamas gets swept under "you're racist", "your brain is under the influence of whiteness" and so on. It rings similar to your points on the last video about breadtube: privileged black americans who are out of touch from working class black americans and even people from the African continent.
it's very strange to me how people who are from a relatively wealthy background in the US see fit to speak about their experience as a Muslim and their treatment of any group in the US as being a universal standard for how Muslims act. I can understand it in the sense of wanting to make Islam seem more approachable to a western audience, but I cannot for one moment believe that a persons experience or beliefs from growing up in Texas as a Muslim is the indicative of person growing up in any majority Islamic country.
Great video, as per usual. You are my fav socio/political analyst on RUclips. This can’t be easy, so know that I appreciate your hard work fam. This topic has been heavy on my mind and you break it down so well. Although I am liberal by most metrics, the online left and far left don’t often broach these topics well and it’s nice to hear from someone who can think critically about a particular discourse and express ideas with nuance as eloquently as you Again, much appreciated fam! Keep it up
It’s beyond just colonialism, people just want power. Colonialism or not there’s always going to be conflict over power at every scale of human existence.
You can’t dehumanize a group of people, help to instill fundamentalist regimes (Iran being the obvious example), exploit their resources, treat them like monsters and then be surprised when they behave as such. By saying that terrorism is not a response, you are effectively saying that there is a clear good/evil dichotomy, even though you are trying to avoid it.
No shes not, did you not taken in everything she said on the nation states, their necessity for evil action to uphold them, the inherently contradictions in it and liberalism, i think here she really muddled up any good evil dichotomy that could be perceived by westerns by basically saying "no shit , what did you think was going on". Effectively we havent escaped our tribalism our tendecy of atrociteis and war Shes held the postion about what you said being correct generally but simply simply took a different stance in it. Note how a definition of terrorism was given the targetting of civilians for political gain.The liberation of the people from the imperialist is a politcal postion as when the pdf fight against the mynmmar junta that is a political postion. For her to do what youve said in this comment qould need the complete rejection of these people being just human beings.
But that's the thing, it's not like Islamic fundamentalist organizations stand for values of anti-colonialism and freedom. They often oppress their own people, like the Taliban is doing right now to the people of Afghanistan. In fact, a lot of Islamic fundamentalist organizations have the goal of conquering more territory and violating the sovereignty of other nations/peoples, like ISIS. I agree with you that nations like the US fuel this violence by unjustly exploiting and controlling other countries, but that violence will not end with terrorist organizations. As Kidology pointed out, terrorists need violence to achieve their goals, so they will always inflict more violence on both civilians in the West and civilians in the Middle East.
So I have watched until about 54:02 I notice some troubling ideas on your part. You seem to completely ignore the context of the word ' terrorist' and the distinct nature of the people who use it. Without that crucial context you are bound to arrive at a wrong conclusion and I am afraid , will chastise the left more than necessary. When Indians waged their armed resistance against British colonial rulers , they were called a terrorist too. The reason you highlight what 'Hamas did' and the existential warfare of Hamas is the SAME reason you don't highlight the existential warfare of Haganah/Irgun/Lehi, Jewish militia, or people like Daniella Weiss or Smotrich or Ben Gvir or the presence of Neo Nazzis in Ukrainian army . It is the same reason you believe 'foreign policy' is fucked up and therefore paradoxically judged with a bit more lenient moral and ethical yardstick than actions of Al Qaida or other groups. Its the same reason America (USA) used to call OBL a 'freedom fighter' as long as he was waging the SAME existential warfare against an adversary of USA. And the reason is in the belief that 'might is right' and as long as the state has the might , it is right or at least not as bad as terrorists because apparently there are some laws in place to check them,no matter how weak and ineffective they are. So even though I do think these women are totally off the rails , I see in your justification of state policies a lot of trouble. This whole narrative is at the end of the day formed by the one who has power , i.e. white countries. N.B. - Also quite baffled by your assumption that states do not use 'human shields' , Israel uses them regularly which are well recorded. LOL I think , as you mentioned, since the idea of nation state is so young , you and lot of us find it hard to reconcile with the fact that state , and armed groups supporting a state , can use violence just as arbitrarily , unjustly and for no purpose other than spreading terror. That is how Israel itself was created.
100% agree with this take, I feel she is sometimes biased in how she views certain groups, in this case “modern women on TikTok” and that also molds her opinions.
@@dinkyboss She is all over the place here. Boko Haram and Hamas are not the same. Its quite reductive to be honest. Also criticizing 'modern women on Tiktok' for not recognizing the violent 'foreign policy' that ensures their safety/freedom at the same time herself holding those same views of western foreign policy as truth.
This is why the word nuance exists. Two things can be true at once. Islamic fundamentalist’s existence does not negate the United States using them as scapegoats to gain military control over regions and yes, that includes their natural resources. “Dick Cheney made money off the Iraq war” isn’t a meme for no reason. 25% of Americans suspect the US govt was responsible for 9/11, this is not for no reason. I also think you highly underestimate the lengths US organizations like the CIA go to when it comes to international infiltration & national propaganda campaigns. There’s a long list of things the CIA has admitted to doing. There is legitimacy when it comes to suspicions & conspiracies regarding the USA’s “foreign policy” if it can be called that. Bin Laden can be a terrorist, an Islamic fundamentalist; while simultaneously, the United States has historically committed crimes against humanity and its own citizens, for yes- capitalist interests. Those interests are defended by those same citizens who experience hardships- yet find the sacrifice worthy to live the American life. Again, two things true at once, people suffer; & thrive in the US. “Tiktokers” who are feeling disillusioned by Bin Laden’s letter just haven’t truly comprehended America’s history. But for those who are aware of America’s role in the world, don’t twist, negate, or ignore America’s well documented & exposed history; just because other things are true at the same time.
This is the rare case when I strongly disagree with Kidology. I won't go through every bizarre thing in this video, because then I'll never end; instead I want to look at some premises. First, there is no "unbiased", "objective", or "neutral" positions and no experts who would hold them. You cannot derive narrative simply by looking at raw data. We are all human beings with our biases, different values, and environments where we came from. Experts are no exception, and human factor is always involved. I may trust (to some extent) people whose bias I can understand, even if we have different values and positions. But I never trust people who are "objective" and "unbiased" - there is always a hidden agenda put there willingly or not. I know nothing about experts Kidology listened to, but if they indeed present themselves as "unbiased", it would explain lots of absurd claims made in this video starting with the statement that nation states emerged only after WW2 (which is just false), and ending with attempt to put on Hamas responsibility for Israel's indiscriminate bombings (which is ridiculous). So, it seems for me that some of tiktoks that Kuidology didn't like (specifically those which are explicitely againts Bin Laden's statements and using them to better understand the situation) are actualy more reasonable and more nuanced than Kidology's own takes in this video. I don't know how much value there is in this letter; I believe, Bin Laden was just another crooked polititian from another country, hence there is no point to think, that anything he says or writes is genuine in the first place (because we don't believe that our own polititians are genuine, and there is no difference here). But maybe for some people it's just a point to start thinking independently, so I don't hate it either. Finally, the statement made at the end of the video, that everything is so complex that we'll never understand it, sounds like something that polititians and state officials would say. "It's too complex for your, trust our expertise, don't question us". Some questions can be very complex, but others are pretty simple. Bombing civilians is a war crime even if the other side thinks killing civilians is ok and does it themselves, that's it.
Thank you. I was extremely disappointed with this video. Even her tone was very different from the norm, a more heated tone that continued to blatantly say that those kids murdered by Israelis deserved that because of Hamas.
16:55 As a french guy... this baffles me... We, by the intermediate of our prime minister at that time Dominique de Villepin, told you that it was wrong, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, that there were no WMD. And a lot of other countries told you so. And now this lady is like "Oh my God maybe the war in Iraq was wrong ! *surpise pikachu face* "... The fact that some people are "awakened" by an old letter from a disgusting person is perplexing (to say the least). They seem to only react to what's trendy. They have no counscious about the past, History or cause and effect. And what baffles me the most is that they should at least have some semblance of patriotism and defend their country as much as criticizing it. But nope, one day they're like "MURICA FUCK YEAH!", and the next day "Oh my God! We are the vilains!!!"... What about you're neither of those things? You know, again, cause and effect, context, History, etc. And I say that as someone who considers at this point in time America as an ennemy of France. But if I were american, I would defend the country wich permits me to live in confort. I would criticize it, yes, but I would also aknowledge that the world is full of potential ennemies and that most countries are at war against each other. You shouldn't saw off the branch you are sitting on. Sorry for my rant but I just can't stand people oblivious to the outside world.
@@britneyt9253 Mainly because France is a vassal of the USA. We are not a sovereign country anymore. We are dependant on Germany on a political level, Germany is the unofficial leader of the EU, the EU is the doormat of the USA. For example, the USA is ripping Europe via the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership. Wich is not a partnership at all, it's a way for the USA to conquer the european market. In term, this means that european countries will lose more and more independance because of the economic dependance towards the USA. And wars have begun for less. Why do you think there is a war in Ukraine right now? Because the USA and Russia try to conquer a market. Russia wants more land for agriculture and bigger frontiers angainst NATO. The USA before the beginning of this war corrupted urkainian politicians and their justice system. There were talks about economical partnerships between Ukraine and the USA. Again, this is how the USA take hold of a country. They buy it. Another example is how the USA is planning to build nuclear plants in Europe. Why them instead of another country (for example France)? Because the EU prevent their members to do so... So the USA comes and say "hey! We can do it!"... Wich means, again that countries will rely on american technology and be on the long run dependant of the USA. This is in big part because of Germany who is anti-nuclear officially for ecological reasons, but the truth is that they don't want France to use their nuclear technology to gain power. So they prefer to sell Europe to the USA and stay on top of France, again for political reasons. So, no, the USA is not the friend of France. The motto of the USA could be "Buy our stuff... or else...". It's always the same story. It's either be dependant on american economy or be an ennemy of the USA. Wich to me is the same. Hence why I say the USA is the ennemy of France.
@@britneyt9253I’m not an American or European but I think it's because of the perversion and destruction of European cultures and trying to turn them into melting pots like the US. Now Europe’s demographic is changing and so does its culture. Embrace yourself for another dark age.
I came here from another video, so I might be seen by you, Kidology. I really appreciate your respect for each discussion. Too many people will discuss topics on the ground that the people they disagree with are bad and that they are good, but you show sympathy while also not weakening your own stance. Please keep it up.
Can you explain to me why Hamas is able to count the deaths so quickly and tell how many died the same day? Israel needed several days to count the deaths from 10/7 and they are still searching for bodies.
@@imjustvisiting5397 this is totally unbelievable. How are they supposed to be able to do so? Israel, powerful Israel, with their advanced everything, drones etc., has trouble to count about 1500 dead bodies. But primitive Gaza is able to count 14000 deaths the day it happened? Total BS Many catastrophies world wide happen, and they can never tell you the same day how many people died, unless only a few died. If thousands died, it takes them several days. Hamas tells the world after a few minutes. Like the "hospital bombing" that was infact a parking lot bombing and failed missile of islamic jihad. Hamas government immediately told the world that 500 people died. When did they count them? Nothing makes sense there. And the fotos prove that far less than 500 died, because the rocket didn't cause much. Even the cars' windows stayed intact
Interesting, nuanced take Kidi. The US army is arguably a de facto terrorist organisation deployed under the rubric of state power. And I'd further argue that referring to insurgent, none state political organizations blanketly as 'terrorist' is not appropriate. The definitions of A terrorist state like the U.S cannot be normalised and used without context or history. Including thst Al Qaeda and Hammas for example were both formed by the United States and Israel respectively.
Well people. Even though her point of view is interesting, it is still biased and informed by her personal view and lecture of the world. She said herself that is she believes in individualism and in other videos something along the lines to “man is a wolf to man”… That is still a very subjective way to understand the world. Her analytic view is to put side to side not with random tiktokers but with informed geopolitics experts with different views of the situation than hers, particularly when it comes to the reciprocity of the western response and nuance about the colonised/colonisers. On the letter to America and bin laden part though she is totally right.
Thank you kidology; I hadn't seen this trend, but it beggars belief. You as always deliver a top notch analysis. I have learnt something today. Thank you
Ok, I hope Kidology or at least some people read this comment because I think there are some important things to address here. First of all, I do think that having a "spiritual awakening" by reading Bin Laden's letter is pretty ridiculous, and for people who have been around the block this isn't anything new and it's actually pretty concerning that some of the young people talking about this just skim past the anti-semitism and other problematic things within the letter. That being said, the title of this video is somewhat of a red herring. It may have as well been called "Why Islamic Fundamentalism is evil". The core focus and discussion point here stems from Bin Laden's letter and he is an Islamic Fundamentalist however as we dive deeper into this video I feel Kidology falls into a very common trap typical of a "Western" individual when discussing these issues. That is to say, lots of critique about Islam and Islamic Fundamentalism and very little talk of anything else driving the narrative. I think she may have mentioned Christian Fundamentalism and other religious fundamentalism once in this entire video yet "Islamic Fundamentalism" was mentioned probably over 100 times. Again, this is a video supposedly about Bin Laden's letter so we are talking about Islamic Fundamentalism. But in an hour and a half we cover the topic as if Islamic Fundamentalists are somehow unique in their views separate of other religious fundamentalists. The argument is made that Islamic Fundamentalists use "human shields" and Hamas doesn't care about civilians which is fair enough but the Zionist project does not care about civilians either- clear in their bombing without discretion of Palestinian civilians where the average age of those killed is 5 years old, yet this video only attributes killing people without discretion as a trait of Islamic Fundamentalists. And let's talk about Christian Zionists, who literally only want Jewish people to congregate in Israel so the rapture happens for themselves, not actually caring about the Jews. Or the Hannibal Directive, which is easily Google-able, a directive by the IDF which literally states when regarding hostages: "the kidnapping must be stopped by all means, even at the price of striking and harming our own forces." And yet none of these other fundamentalist narratives are mentioned which, if we're going to go by the title of this video, certainly applies to the West's view of the narrative. And if we're bringing Sharia Law into this and talking about history well then you've opened up another can of worms you're practically obligated to address, which is the proselytizing of Christianity over recent history (last several hundred years) and the devastating impact that has had on native communities and yes, women as well as queer people have suffered from Christian indoctrination as well. As you said, this issue is far too complex for any of us to know the true "truth" behind it all, but for a video essay the length of a feature film this piece does a great disservice by being so clearly biased in its approach and I believe it could have granted a little air time to some of these themes to in the very least convey a message that this is actually complicated beyond just saying "this is complicated". Nobody expects you to be covering each angle literally the same way, but you must make a solid attempt to acknowledge this is not solely a problem of Islam, especially in today's political climate.
Yes, I agree. After watching the full video, it felt as though this was biased against Islam. Bin Laden’s letter was the opening that had led to her points regarding Islamic Fundamentalists / fundamentalism. Once terrorism was brought up, I felt she had only focused on Hamas but failed to explore or point out the other side. Israel’s terroristic / violent actions against the people of Gaza and Palestinians could have been brought up and talked about. Aren’t there actions, too, are that of a terrorist organization targeting Palestinian children?
I don't agree though. She talks about Islamic fundamentalism because Islamic fundamentalism is the weapon that is used by Bin laden to cause these issues. So I don't understand what you mean by her being biased. I think you just don't like that it was brought up.
@@rubyblue7119people who buy into islamophobia as a concept tend to do what the original commenter did here: they either say that islam is being victimized or deflect from criticism by saying it's not exclusive to them. It's trying to lay the blame elsewhere, plain and simple. We can acknowledge that religions can all be shitty in different ways. Ayaan Hirsi Ali discusses this thoroughly.
I think it's funny to make your personal issue with all religions an issue for other people. A lady decided to address a particular problem, but she must not discuss it except she discusses every other potential issue related to it. If you are that concerned, go make your own well-informed video. Please include atheistic groups as well. If not, your video won't be balanced. Clearly, I think your comment is not balanced as well owing to that huge oversight.
I don’t think she talked about Christian fundamentalism because we don’t have a bunch of Christian incels who lack purpose on their lives breaking into a planned parenthood clinic (because Christian fundamentalism hates abortion) and killing everyone inside. That stuff just doesn’t happen. Not sayin people don’t do dumb and violent things in the name of “Christ “ but Islamic Fundamentalism is just on a whole other level.
Bless you, it would be so interesting to know you, you are such a thoughtful commentator! I turn to your videos as a nuanced breath of fresh air. Thanks for keeping me sane!!
isn't it kinda like those people simping over serial killers? "oh he was just misunderstood" "you don't get it but i do" "he was a victim of society, that's why he murdered people" "his hate for jews is so cute uwu"
I’m sorry but I must say, this is not one of your better videos. It’s also definitely not as nuanced as you may think it is. I’m not going to repeat why as I’ve seen a few excellent comments here have done that already. I’ve watched a lot of your videos and sometimes I agree, sometimes I don’t. You make some good points but overall this one gets a 👎🏽 from me.
I don't think it's quite as easy as "foreign policy is just a reality" or that the CIA et al just have a very complex job that is "necessary" but that we cannot possibly understand. The USA, its armies and agencies have committed atrocities, war crimes and killed millions in the decades after the second world war that were by no means "necessary" to protect itself or its allies. Yes, not everything our governments or education systems teach us in the west is wrong, but it is hard to deny there is hardly any truth to - however very pervasive - slogans such as that America protects freedom or the 'rules-based' international order. Bin Laden's letter is a badly written and incoherent amalgamation of quran quotes, confused ideas such as the west mistreating women and the islamic right to Israel, and a few historical facts torn about context. That these women see that slur as anything meaningful is less an indictment of themselves but painfully inadequate education in the us.
What an excellent video essay. You’ve brought so much nuance into this conversation and have inspired me to do more research into the topic. Thank you for sharing!
Best summary starts at 1:11:25 imo. The Taliban's critique of the West's methods of colonialism, oppression, and civilian causalities is a very *liberal* thing to say. Liberalism* is squarely against the Taliban's fundamentalism, which purposefully erases the lines between combatants and civilians, and views the world as a constant conflict in the physical sense: a constant war. They frequently oppress other Muslims when given the chance, and shield themselves among civilians so that the inevitable casualties stoke the fire of vengeance and devotion to their cause. Islamic fundamentalists have been doing this long before America/the 'West' came to their land to commit sins in the name of oil. Tiktok leftists are expressing their disappointment with the "West's" illiberal foreign policy decisions while overlooking the Taliban's blatant hypocrisy: they are aggressors just as much as they are victims. *watch 21:44 to understand what she means by liberalism, as defined primarily by International Relations studies instead of just by partisan politics.
I've had some time to digest this video, and I tried to come up with a thorough and intelligent answer, but I find it hard to put into words how let down I am with the direction you're going regarding this issue. Your tweets had given me an indication but this video really cemented this. I've always looked at your videos as very insightful and unbiased, and I learnt a lot from your channel, even when I didn't always agree. But this isn't just disagreement... The fact that you're focusing on the "Hamas is the root of the problem" rethoric, quoting unverified Israeli reports as facts, and downplaying the influence of the US in screwing around with so many regions around the world has been really disheartening, specially when you see what's happening (and has been for so long) in Gaza and the West Bank.
I think it's important to keep in mind that two things can be true at the same time. Yes, the government of Israel is wrong in their persistent bombing of Palestinians in Gaza. However, Hamas is wrong to kidnap and bomb innocent Israelis. In it's history, the US has committed atrocities at home and abroad. That being said, it was wrong for bin Laden to kill innocent American civilians on 9/11. He is not justified in his actions any more than the US is in our bad acts. It's important to have many sources of information when learning about history and politics. Often the truth is not black and white, is quite nuanced, and most importantly, takes time and effort to find.
Hamas is a terrorist government organization. The Palistinian people have a highly questionable and violent history over the last century. They have a tendency to align themselves with violent organizations for the purpose of promoting strict Sharia. They have utterly destroyed Lebenon, and have upset multiple other muslim nations that accepted them as refugees or citizens. That is why they are, today, stuck in Gaza and West Bank under strict Israeli rule. Even then they manage to repeatedly attack Israeli civilians provoking violence against themselves. Everytime they witness another nation (muslim or christain) suffer a terrorist attack, Palistinians across the world dance in the streets. They danced after 9/11. They danced after the recent October 7 attack. There are videos of them dancing in New York. Now they are using our college kids to fight their political battles for them and enact violence. Not violence towards Israeli people from Israel. Violence towards anyone jewish. Jewish college students are hiding in libraries from propalistine mobs. Are the American Palistinians trying to stop these mobs? Nope, most footage shows them feeding the mob's anger and justifying violence. I dont need "proper statistics" to see these obvious things taking place on video in the USA.
@@originalcosmicgirl yes american racialised slavery was evil and immoral but why did nat turner kill all those people??? do you see what’s wrong with always seeking some fictitious neutral middle ground in the name of ‘nuance’. when you make the oppressed equivalent with their oppressor you send a clear message of your side.
thank you for taking the time to make such an informative video on this. it is so baffling to see so many people completely misunderstand OSAMA BINLADEN and his ideology.
I was, personally, not at ease when people started praising Hamas. Hamas as what it symbolises itself, not the people who join it for resistance (at their place, after losing my whole family in bombing, i would do the same). It started when i saw people talking about becoming mulsim after seeing the atrocities committed to Palestinians in Gaza and people talking about "being martyrs". I was horrified and saddened and i thought that those things was not good reasons to adopt a religion. That's not a sane way to step in. And of course, that feeling that there was many christians, jews in Gaza too and they were being killed because a fondamentalist islamic group decided to drag everyone in the war, that would not leave me... I did not read that letter and i'm not planning to. I am still enraged and saddened by what is going on, but this video helped me to clear up the confusion about Hamas and helped me to remember the reason why i am for an immediate ceasefire : the genocide going on. Not Hamas that decided on its own to drag all Gazans (and many others) in the conflict, labeling all of them as martyrs.
I just watched this over on Britney Simons video. It sparked such an interesting discussion. This video is great and I look forward to trying out some of your other content xx
I was waiting for you to bring up The End of History 😂😂 before I switched my second major to computer science, I studied international relations. I still have all my syllabi and reading material if you’re curious. It’s incredibly fascinating.
Wow, this was an amazing video! The analysis of the situation, the history of this all and the brilliant flow of wisdom from you - just bravo. Great work, thanks so much! I'll have to listen to this again on normal speed and take notes. Big smile and best regards from Norway.
Someone who identifies with anti-imperialism but has their minds blown by Bin Laden is profoundly unserious. There have been substantial critiques on US forgien policy in the middle east for decades - some of the most scathing ones coming from libertarians...I get that a lot of these posters were too young to remember these discussions in passing but Adam Curtis documentaries are fully available on RUclips.
I don’t even like Adam Curtis, but, like, *yeah.* Like, did these b!tches really believe Bush when he said that terrorists were just big meanies who hate America’s freedom? Because literally everyone who was paying attention quickly realized that the hijackers were pissed off about Palestine. They’re been pissed off about Palestine since the 40s. I’m just baffled that American schools are this bad.
Can I just say I hate the cadence that most of these women talk with? And it’s not just them, it’s all over the internet. “Like… *smacks lips* I don’t even know what to say to y’all. I can’t belie-I cannot believe that igottastanduphereandsaytheobvious. Just… things be so dumb, ya’ll. *smacks lips*. *Dramatic pause*… *cutesy side-eye* for real.”
also wtf, I HAD to go read this freaking letter just to see what did he say that can shake up so many people... Im shocked. thats it?!? THAT is what sent them into an existential crisis? I have no words
Sorry about the breadtube video. That was a necessary video for all people to hear. In regards to this one I appreciate you once more advocating the need to truly put in the work yourself if you want to learn about international politics. Its alot, humans are alot and people often forget that.
The taliban is "at its roots" religious fundementalist (i dont know enough to dispute this and i dont care to), Do you think that america is "at its roots" white supremist? because if the nature of its creation? Im frustrated by your tendencies to say things are complex without really providing a more conplex world view. Ummm... Hey no hate thi, love your videos
Always good to hear you Kido. You take your time and try to really think instead of those tiktok girls just discovering international politics. Hope your video get views.
While I really appreciate your insight and the point of view you provide, I think that you should make a video focusing on just the war between Israel and Palestine. This video focuses a lot on conflicts that are imo not that clearly correlated. You made references and comparisons to the current situation but I think that the comparisons are quite weak and don't stand much on their own. While the story about Bin Laden was nice, I don't see how it relates to Hamas except for that they are both religious fundamentalists. The history of the two conflicts is not nearly the same, so a proper correlation cannot be formed in my opinion. I think you should delve more into the history of the Israel-Palestine conflict and how it has all led to what we are seeing today. I see so many different points of view from people that it becomes hard to keep up with what's actually going on. For example, someone has said that Israelis should not be considered "civilians" because they are complicit in the active act of oppression of Palestinians (which I don't necessarily agree with, but it's food for thought). As much as Hamas is a religious fundamentalist organization, the state of Israel is also such an organization that has already established its own state while subjugating the indigenous Palestinians. And while the Hamas attack is an inexcusable atrocity, so is the indiscriminate bombing of civilians in Gaza. The situation is actually a lot more complex - it's two religious fundamentalist organizations fighting while it's the civilians who pay the price, but here they are being used as a shield by both sides, not one. I don't have a clear view how this conflict could be resolved (if I did I would probably be a member of the UN board), but I think these intricacies must be discussed. Hence why I think you should dedicate a video just to delve into this.
13:39 I don't think those claims of SA have been substantiated though. Of course saying that in a normal setting would be problematic, but those claims are used in this orientalist portrayal of Hamas and Palestinians more broadly: so October 7th is portrayed as a violent outburst from 'savages' (remind you of any other uprisings from colonised peoples?), rather than as an intricately planned, admittedly violent, strategic attack. The Israeli state has actually said it will not/has not carried out SA tests on bodies from Oct 7th. So the evidence simply is not there, and there is an incentive to make up claims. 13:46 I disagree. Take Al-Shifa Hospital as an example. Israel built it: there is some kind of basement (which Israel built) which does in fact have some practical use. Since the outbreak of the 'conflict', Israel repeatedly stated that it will launch an attack on the hospital as they claimed to believe that Hamas made their HQ in tunnels under the hospital. Every single member of the medical staff at Al-Shifa denied that. Israel then attacked and evacuated the hospital. The videos they released in which they attempted to prove that Hamas has been using it as a base were laughable: eg the laptop they claimed belonged to Hamas had a Hebrew keyboard and had an Israeli charger. Al-Shifa is placed quite strategically though (look at maps of IOF infantry advancements--they're trying to sever the north from the south, then encircle the north). Additionally, Al-Shifa was vital in updating the Palestinian death toll. Remember how every day it used to be quite precise? And now, it's hovering above 20,000 but the numbers vary depending on source? Also, you can't blame Hamas for Israel purposefully blowing up civilians (eg. families of journalists)
Also, it seems that by 'liberalism', you're taking what the US claims to be its goals and ideals at face value. IMO the US' 'liberalism' was/is mainly about maintaining a hegemony on the global stage, so those 'common values' are more about getting other countries to adopt American values (so the US dictates values essentially.) Again it leads back to colonialism--would go into more detail but I've ran out of time today
13:25 same girl probably wouldn't hesitate to yell "mental trauma", when kidnapped children say they want to stay with their kidnapper, because he is nice
As a foreign person, I definitely know that a lot. Americans do not understand foreign policy, which is enacted by its government. And maybe that's because I've had good advice that were supported by said country that I live in now. So I've always followed for foreign policies in not just the United States but Middle East and Central America, and just globally. It all trickles down
I am so thankful to finally hear a voice of reason on this topic. I am an israeli and my country has been absolutely terrorized. I have always been left leaning with liberal ideals, and seeing these circles justify the rape, murder and torture of women and children left me totally disillusioned by the left. I dont think anyone who hasnt suffered terrorism can understand the utter sadism and extremism we are facing. The moral dilemmas soldiers and decision makers have to go through when facing a group who just wants to see as much death and destruction as possible. These past few days we had hostages released and their release was directed by hamas, you can hear armed terrorists telling them to smile and wave towards them, and then you have tiktokers believe these are good people that treated the hostages kindly. I saw a tiktoker that said that the tunnels hamas build was to transfer plastic chairs and not for terrorist attacks. I have not seen critical thinking at such a whole time low. Israelis who have faced this brutality firsthand feel like theyre going insane seeing the reception of the world, and the only conclusion we can draw from it is antisemitism, although we know it has to be more complex than that. Thank you for sharing your opinions and dissection of these issues. Hopefully these tiktokers will never have to face terrorism so they will come to understand the utter devestation they are endorsing.
The sad truth is that antisemitism comes natural to the left. All conspiracy theories about Jews are related to capitalism, which is what leftists hate more than anything. And antisemitism is a part of Islam, so Muslims naturally embraced these foreign secular conspiracy theories and mixed them with Islamic antisemitism. But Islamic antisemitism is already really bad by itself. The complex thing is the history of all of this, because it's so long and diverse. Antisemitism is a shape shifting Chameleon. But it is quite easy to understand. It's just horrible and unbelievable how dumb humans are. Please don't let them get to you. Only God and his guidance matter
but how do you justify the disproportionate, constant attacks against palestine. men, women and SO MANY CHILDREN have been murdered by israel for things they have not done.
also i do understand the antisemitism part however when the majority of the world is on your side it doesnt really stand, there is also horrific amounts of islamophobia
@@portaldolphin13 there is no such thing as islamophobia. People are genuinely scared of Islam, because Islam is dangerous. All people in my country who are known for criticizing Islam, such as Hamed Abdel-Samad, have to live under 24/7 police protection. Same in the Netherlands, Geert Wilders lives under 24/7 protection. On the other hand no famous Muslim lives under police protection. Islam actually gets people killed on a regular basis. We have many honor killings as well since Islamic migration. And most crime, such as rape, is committed by Muslims according to statistics and personal experience. It is terrifying. We have to be afraid because it is real.
@@portaldolphin13 Hamas is using the people as humans shields. Just watch what the Hamas interview in Lebanese TV. After the journalist asked him why they built 500km tunnels for themselves, but zero bunkers for the civilians, the Hamas guy responded that it is not their job to care for the people in Gaza. They don't care. I love egyptian journalist Ibrahim Eissa's reaction to this interview. He dragged this terrorists and told Hamas to resign if they don't want to be a responsible government and protect their citizens. It looked like he truly cares. But I saw people on Twitter saying that this is not the opinion of most Egyptians. This is sad.
IMO, Modern Western, stable(ish) countries have been existing as close to "utopia" as will ever be possible for humanity. The reality is that maintaining even the mess we are currently privileged enough to live in is hard and complex and shifting and perpetually flawed, because people are complex and shifting and perpetually flawed. The idea of reaching a perfect harmonious and peaceful system is naïve. But I'm not saying we shouldn't constantly strive for making things better, because that struggle toward peace and harmony is exactly what keeps us in our imperfect "utopia." It's just that the struggle never stops. Perfection can never be obtained.
Why not just move to any Islamic country? I’m sure they would be happy to have these young Whyte American women, to be honored to treat them far better than the US ever could or would.
That's old news and an old trend, probs on a smaller scale as it's a bit longer than Bin Laden's letter. There were aesthetic vids celebrating his ideas
windoon has apretty good video, and how much he was smart yeah, but also did really try find reasoons to hate and lash out on people, and did at work do lymericks how he threatens the woman that dated him prior?! He really is just mad stan from batman beyond, dangerous but not deep.
Sorry, the fact that the American military come with all these 'state appointed accoutrements and laws, does not make their actions right. Law often legitimises bad behaviour. I expect more from you.
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I agree with way more of this video then I'd have guessed after you said you watch Al-Jazeera all day. Westphalia was an implicitly antisemitic treaty, if you plug that into your logic you'll REALLY start to get it. That and Hajj-Amin Al Husenni.
There is so much you missed about this story
@@victorybeginsinthegardenYou can always create your OWN content and then you can rest assured that nothing you care about was missed, ma’am.
@@nomihagan I have a right to comment on a video and give critique. Did you know that we trained bin laden gave him billions of dollars and helped him build his army? That was never mentioned in this video. We helped create this monster. Please respond.
OMG when I saw the Thumbnail with Lynette I just clicked immediately…. I think she’s becoming a little bit extremist and I wanted to know your thoughts thank you so much!
I can’t imagine being a woman or girl in Afghanistan and seeing free western women make excuses for the ideology that makes your life a living hell
Ya.....destroying the country allowed the warlords to take over causing infinitely more suffering. Also as Hillary Clinton herself admitted USA created the taliban which evolved out of the Mujahadeen.
I'm sure some of them are just equally supporting the Patri again and their society as some support. This patriarchy in our society or the toxic parts there are always mammies
Not to mention you are part of the society you're in, so you start to ingest these ideology To some people that is the only life they know, so yours could only be wrong
Over 90% of People in Afghanistan wanted the Sharia...
@@cvzdezsay what
And that's the problem - it takes 90 minutes of learning and understanding deep and hard topics in order to counter 90 seconds of TikTok. This is why bad ideas spread much faster. We are doomed.
Good ideas spread fast that way too. Social media and the internet in general, it's like fire, or blades. Potentially extremely dangerous, but so useful nobody in their right mind would go back to before we had them.
@@audreymuzingo933 Exactly, as fast as bad ideas spread, counter ideas that completely cancels the ideas before them spread just as fast. That's why it feels like if you miss a week in tiktok it feels like you've missed a decade of trends and anti-trends. Just like how ppl got obsessed with OBL fast because they lack further details, counter ideas like kidology's take here will spread just as fast, you just wait and see.
I personally think it's a big mistake to associate OBL, and Hamas with the Palestinian cause. That is one thing I hated about kidology's video.
It's not 90 seconds of TikTok, it's 12 years of state-sponsored "education" that pops out 18-year-olds with 0 wisdom or critical thinking ability. If schools had done their job, no amount of propaganda produced by 3rd world illiterates would make our youth budge. The DOE and the academia are single-handedly swinging the pendulum of wisdom back into the pre-Enlightenment era, and nobody cares. THAT, is why we're doomed.
Don't talk yourself into submission! Carry your knowledge with and spread what you can, plant as many seeds as you can and you can start a rebirth!
No she literally avoided the full context of the tik toks and now her audience is patting themselves on the back criticizing tik tokers for what they’re talking about. It’s not about Osama Bin Ladin. They’re waking up to the reality of Israel. In no uncertain terms Isreal has openly said that the goal is genocide. She never touches that part of the conversation. She then justifies it and says it’s just what nation states do. That’s bs and I’m so disappointed in her. I’ve been giving her the benefit of the doubt for a while but she’s definitely running defense for the right like Jordan Peterson before he went mask off.
I feel like I’m living in a Conservatives’ nightmare about what liberalism is at this point.
Everyone has gone utterly insane
lol and yes everyone has. We need another asteroid
@@joevaghn457 lool unfortunately it does feel that way.
We apparently have solar storms around 2025, so perhaps similar concept
Welcome to my world 😂
Dude, it’s not liberalism. There’s few if any enlightenment values to be found in these TikTok’s
I love that for us.
Some of these people will some day read "Mein Kampf", and I don't even want to think about those tiktoks we'll see.
They may find the page count too intimidating.
omg thanks for making me laugh today @@chanchanc682
Don't worry they'll only scan enough of it to post a 30 second video.
Oh their jaws will be drawped and their minds so blown by reading Mein Kampf
@@The24thWightgood one.
Honestly this is why we need good friends. You’re supposed to explore these ideas with them PRIVATELY so that you don’t lead people down a path without being qualified. Which goes for almost all of the internet. I’m a year away from leaving America with a backpack and a flip phone. Fuck this
Honestly I understand wanting to move out 😭😭 Europe isn't perfect in my experience but the education system somewhat encourages media/political literacy. Even if some individual techers/professors/politicians still lack it... Aside from more accessible education, we also need more third places to meet ppl and discuss ideas to avoid being chronically online
Good friends listen. Great friends challenge your perspective.
A bunch of these comments you really can't tell which way you mean what you're saying
It's not just the younger generations. People are taught what to think....not how to think. It's very sad we lack any nuance in forming opinions.
TikToker: "OMG we've been duped by propaganda!"
*Saying this by being duped by another flavour of propaganda*
I'm American and part of Gen Z, and I was not shocked or moved by the letter, so it makes me think about the differences millennials may have had in their education growing up. I wonder if millennials were taught less about the history of terrorism and the Middle East and that's why they feel lied to. In my geopolitical and history courses, my teachers were honest about the ways that Britain, the US, and other Western countries have contributed to the growth of terrorist organizations. We had nuanced discussions about the complicated decisions that the US had to make after 9/11 and were challenged to think about when the War on Terror has been justified and when it hasn't been. Maybe these TikTokers and millennials at large did not have this kind of curriculum in their K-12 classrooms and instead were only fed patriotic pro-War-on-Terror propaganda in the aftermath of 9/11, which is why they are having such a crisis after reading the letter. In my opinion, you can hold both criticism or even condemnation of your own government and the condemnation of those opposed to it, especially when they're literal terrorists and murderers. I'm right there with you in the middle ground when it comes to foreign politics and I think it's good to take it by a case-by-case basis.
in my opinion, social media lead to idiocracy. A lot of brainless emotions.
I'm 28 so a millennial and definitely feel lied to and propagandized. I haven't read the letter yet, but just over the past few years have done so much unlearning and relearning when it comes to US history and politics. It's super jarring.
I don't think it has to do with generations. I am firmly a millennial...34. I think class and regional culture are a part of the surprise. For example, people saying they feel lied to. Many millennials were old enough to critically think and do their own research about the war on terror. They likely spent their time on Aol instant messenger or livejournal instead. I was 12 when the world trade center fell. The internet was alive and well. I am from southern california, middle class, with grandparents that are academics and political radicals/exiles. This letter is not new to me, I would not believe it to be new to anyone I went to school with. This current phenomena is surprising to me, because terrorism, the war on terror and breaking down the news at that time were regular parts of my curriculum. I mean, watching the clips in this video causes me pause. There is one tiktoker who clearly doesn't know the difference between Sadam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden(Osama was not a dictator). I have to remember that my experience and what I learned in school is not likely close to what the average person experienced and learned. In part because of my personal background, but growing up in a seemingly liberal state, in a median tax bracket school district as well.
@@thebitterprojector Yeah, region and quality of education are probably big contributors. I thought it might be a generational thing since I figured the strongest propaganda would be in the years immediately following 9/11. I'm not gonna lie, though it doesn't seem like there are major class differences in the creators talking about this. From what I have seen from their other content, it seems like most of these creators are middle and upper-class.
@@tracer4322 I think the seeming of things can be misleading. For example, the influencer who has a large apartment and rents someone else's tesla on touro - they are clearly making poor financial choices. But they are conflating "living in abundance" and "faking it til you make it." That type of decision-making would say to me that this person did not grow up in a home where financial literacy was a topic. How people decide to portray their lifestyle after they grow up, isn't necessarily how they grew up or what their lifestyle actually is. Also, the structure of their argument-making doesn't read for the schooling of that time. Even my education had a strong emphasis on "teaching to the test," which at my schools meant CollegeBoard exams like the SATs and AP exams. Proper argument structure was drilled into us. It might be the conversational aspect of the internet, but their arguments poke holes in themselves and often get lost in conflated ideas. So I wouldn't expect these people to have private school or high tax bracket public school educations. Things like mixing up Sadam Hussein and Osama, and comparing militaristic violence to terrorism while they speak to a lack of education, they also speak to a lack of personal research and critical thinking. Regionally, not learning or looking into these things clearly wasn't a priority where these people grew up, which I can say isn't true of my millennial upbringing. Several of the people I grew up with heard about 9/11 in real time because we all had satellite tv service which had east coast news stations standard with regional news stations. In school we watched translations of videos of Osama and discussed them. We talked about the Soviet-Afghan conflict which people claim led to the climate which allowed 9/11 to happen. In the larger war on terror we heard arguments against the documents that supposedly reported wmds in Iraq. before the invasion. So I know that there are millennials who were not "lied to" and everything I've been told is clearly different than everything these influencers have been told. When I try to think of why that is, I do what I usually do and point to my silly coastal elite privilege.
I used to fear that I might be missing out by never dowloading tik tok due to my phone being too shitty to support the app. But I now realise how blessed I am. I might be broke and socially isolated but I will never have brains so scrambled by an app I start fangirling after BIN LADEN.
Monthy pyton world lmao
If you haven't downloaded tik tok by now you are a strong soul, stay strong. I refuse to download it.
I started this video and way like WTF am I listening too. Clearly these people didn’t live through 911 America. I was 11 when it happened and the havoc it wrecked on the heart of America is/was insane. I’m not an American militarist by any means but cmon the comparisons in those tiktoks were insanity.
I was barely a kid during this time so I hardly remember but I do remember a lot of the aftermath. Especially how mentally devastated people were. A lot of the younger generations don't realize how great of a depression it inflicted on our country.@@Unkuuu
You and me both.
i am overwhelmed
That first woman, i cant remenber her name, was ran off the internet for being a pathological liar so i dont think her insight has much value.
Secondly, my conservative family asked me about this letter and thankfully i explained that this opinion is a SMALLLLLLL segment of progressives and most of us are going "What the hell is wrong with you?"
Additionally: i feel like progressives are so committed to being anti-american, that anything that actually is anti-american MUST be justified when in actuality, these radical groups (in this case radical islamic extremists) are vehemently anti everything the progressives stand for. Like, these groups actively suppress women by limiting their education, divorce is not an option for women, women are FORCED to wear full niqabs, gays are thrown off buildings, innocent people are brutally killed. Like...you do realize that youre blue-haired, ultra feminist, queer american stance would result in you being killed, like YALL WE UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT
Reading the letter is very important, and learning about the perspectives of other nations and groups, but lets not completely negate the fact he brutally killed people.
What’s wild to me is that there are so many better people who critique the US/West whose voices these influencers could have chosen to amplify and somehow…. They chose a terrorist? They chose to amplify the voice of someone responsible for many deaths and pain. The lack of nuance and thought from these influencers is painful. They could really benefit from enrolling in an introduction to politics or human rights course at their local college instead of hopping on TikTok
Wonder if any of these pple would hold these views if their family members had been in those towers on 9/11 smh. Also I’m against the wars and coups and international instability waged by the US globally… but also I’m not going to sit here and cheer on or make excuses for a terrorist that was also responsible for death and suffering. These kids forget that the US isn’t the only imperial power in the world or in history.
I think the issue is partly down to the fact that a lot of modern women have no sense of self-preservation and are happy to support policies that are actively in opposition to themselves, I.e. whatever the fuck is going on here. I definitely get the sense that despite calling themselves feminists, the rights of women are secondary or even tertiary to their primary goal, which is to appear to be Progressive and Woke. Or maybe deep down they do support the patriarchy…
Well they probably write essays that are a bit longer than 2 pages and that don't depict the world in black and white and victims and aggressors.@@katnap7157
Kid, your videos are those I routinely view. You are a true intellectual, not some faux pseudo. I may not agree with EVERYTHING you say, but even those times I half agree with you . We need more brilliant people like you and you keep RUclips genuine
This. She’s cool AF.
Absolutely, everything she says are well thought out and researched if she were an author or wrote think pieces I would buy and read everything. She doesn’t push her own narrative to hard the points I disagree with encourage me to look more into the matter to make up my own mind, I love her
Hard agree 🟢
Mhhh
I agree 🤙
I think we need to just ignore the opinions of women under the age of 23. And before people call me sexist ignore men’s opinions under the age of 27.
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*western women under the age of 23. And I’d maybe even bump that age up to 25.
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Western men and women under 28
The brain doesn’t finish maturing until around 25. I look at myself in my late teens/early 20’s and even though I was an adult I truly knew nothing but had the confidence as if I did because social media and modern parenting/schooling encourages praising kids and never questioning or discouraging them from any actions or ideas. And it’s getting worse for kids every year because they’re even more online and exposed to fake news and polarizing insane opinions on Twitter. It’s just unchecked narcissism, mental illness, a lack of actually reading and educating ourselves, a lack of critical thinking, and immaturity. All of this festering online to become more toxic, irrational, and removed from reality.
I got so distracted by seeing Mia, all I could think about was that she had completely lost it. It really is insane how we went from defending people's right to live as they see fit to repeating the propaganda fed to suicide bombers and the like.
I was wondering why she seemed so familiar
Trying to understand why crime is committed isn't succumbing to propaganda. I dont think the tiktok girls were that stupid.
@@bratwurstmitbiryani??? This is wild, we can condemn and critique the actions of the US and Western states without glorifying terrorists? Should we take the letters of Charles Manson seriously? Say he perhaps had a point? Should we try to understand where he was coming from? It’s gross to see people glorifying terrible human beings… there are so many others who criticize and critique the west and don’t kill innocent people? Amplifying their voices would probably be a better use of influence and lead to a better discussion… right message wrong messenger.
no we shouldn't. But the voices of reason you've mentioned got annihilated by the likes of US/Israel. This is a reality too. Because they knew they should not fear some parochial suicidal lunatics who don't speak to every man - they should fear precisely the educated and thus truly POWERFUL voices of reason and love coming from people who were ready to lead in those countries and had a lot of credibility for everyone: religious, liberal, secular groups. That is the problem now. Look at Iran, Afghanistan in the 1970s. Who supported the overthrow of those govenernments. @@katnap7157 The United States was so obsessed to block the spread of "socialism" that they encouraged nationalist parties in these countries or even extremists (who yes! persecuted the Jewish population) to kill every opposition of such sorts. Socialism in the middle east needed to be an impossibility cuz the world needed oil & USA uber alles smh smh. Contrary to the saying it's much easier to negociate with terrorists than with leaders who really care for the good and wealth of their nation.
@@bratwurstmitbiryaniwhy is nobody seriously trying to understand why Hitler did what he did?
Kid, I saw your interview on Trig. I really commend you for thinking independently and advocating for doing your own actual research. Not listening to talking heads or trends. The world would be a saner place if more took your approach. I thank you for creating this channel and for sharing your thoughts with us!
4:20 I'm sorry but that's a TERRIBLE argument imho. That argument is equal to justifying the horrific war crimes of the nyahtzee regime.
Governments act as terroristic entities against other countries all the time. The fact that the military is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity because their gov told them so actually doesn't justify those actions, and as the nyahtzees have discovered even decades later you can and will be punished and convicted for those crimes, and everybody will see the punishment as just, because we've determined that "because my government told me so" is not a justification.
Likewise, if ones government is poisonous or corrupt, they will call any group acting against them or their desires a terrorists group regardless of how pure or justifiable the behavior, and also no matter how objectively terroristic the government desires and orders truly are.
Excellent comment. Zandile is misguided. Legitimacy doesn’t equal moral high ground.
I agree entirely. The US government has committed so many atrocities, many considered illegal. The idea that the US Militarily has never overstepped the boundaries it claims to be under is ludicrous
Why are you writing it like that. Just say Nazi. You can write it like that.
thank you !
9:09 Total war was practiced by the Japanese in the second world war as well. They had high schools converted into factories, and even had teenagers working as nurses for the war effort on at least one occassion. Total war is horrific, but it's not as new as you might think. 💔
I wonder if these kids would seek out knowledge if there wasn't a site you could spend 60 secs saying whatever popped into your head at the time and make a thousand bucks posting it.
Doesn’t mean they’re wrong. People are purposely misinterpreting and cutting out the context of them reading the letter. Instead they’d rather bury their heads in the ground and go with what imperial powers say and not what every humanitarian watchdog is saying. Propaganda is so strong, you see a random black woman who speaks well and omits key facts and contexts agreeing with your worldview and you just eat the propaganda. She starts the video with, terrorism is only when I say it’s terrorism and it’s not me doing it. Then the this is normal, stop freaking out
Hey, one of them was on point at least even if it was simplistic.
The one who said that it just said her realise that osama was in alot of ways the product of US imperialism( she didnt say it in thease words, im paraphrasing)
The rest of them tho, didnt really think about anything on the matter, they basidally did the same thing as people who defend Us imperialism do, but only for binladen
Have a good day
34:08 another one which i think is a good example of someone who potencially has something good to offerx even tho she uses this wierd spiritual language, and oversimplifies things, but the important this is that beofre the timestamp, she said " have a conversation with people and learn more about thease things"
Which is basicaly her point i think.
And i think that aspect of it is wonderful.
I think that potencially she is so far in the clip a gateway towards the left for people who dont understand thease things much but who would have is they were thought.
For all this talk about others beeing smug..we should also realise our own smugness when it comes to not only thease people on tiktok but the people watching them wjo aguree with them.
Everyone has their own journey, and we cant expect perfection if a person is at the begining of finding thease thinsg out.
And if we then gatekeep and make oposition, we might just deterr them from figuring shit out.
Educate, but realise when you are beeing smug as well.
Besides their very mistaken opinion that binladen had a good reason for killing, since there is no good reason for killing.
Besides that, the rest of their opinions are not even controversial i would say.
Honestly, i dont like defending media figures, so for tje sake of the people agureeing with them i think we can be more educational and more explanatory then straight up judgemental( even when people do diserve judgement) because if they read judgement they will only potencially get shame, but if they read an opinion or information on how they are wrong, then they can potencially understand what the problem is.
@@MalkuthEmperori definitely appreciate that perspective. I mostly agree with you about the one you timestampped, but there was more context than only what she said in that video. I understand they're just kids and still learning. However, i remain unconvinced tiktok has any positive role to play. It's just making it harder for the children.
i think arguing in favor of middle ground positions as an antidote to false dichotomies doesnt make sense because being in the middle implies you are between two oppositional sides. thats why i think valuing centrism by itself locks you into a dichotomous framework. like i think your perspective is better described as just a third perspective rather than one point on a continuum.
this.
I disagree with the idea of the 'middle ground' as the golden mean, its a position, there can be more than 2 positions, but the middle position isn't the superior one by default.
I think Integralism is a much better framework: look at what the multiple sides are saying, learn why they are saying it, figure out what is true/what is false, evaluate arguments based on what is real, and then make a policy proposal.
You damn right, a big reason for pointless discourse is that people think the argument only really has two directions of varying degrees. How can you agree with someone else when it means going the opposite direction of what you believe?
You really think that a person describing themself as "in the middle" somehow becomes locked into binary thinking? How would that actually work in reality? If someone offered them a third perspective would they have to say: "nope, sorry I'm only able to consider two points of view because I self-identify as 'in the middle'."
Thank you so much for this. As someone who specialized in rhetoric/critical theory/etc in university, I'm so frustrated by much of what comes out of TikTok, and I wish that all people who put media in the world cared about sharing their ideas with the level of nuance you've exhibited here (and in your other videos too). We really do have to do better and not jump on board with people who are young and impressionable and speaking from an oversimplified, incorrect, naive, under-read worldview.
I’m amazed these TikTok generations actually have the focus to read a letter from anybody. Read one letter and they are now foreign policy experts. Simplistic and nieve is an understatement.
to be fair older generations are not much better, its just been on a downward trend from new segments, to articles on the web, to reddit posts, to tiktok
What happened building 7?
the 'trend' was really quite small, not enough to define an entire generation. in fact, a lot of Gen Zers seem to me (and I'm biased, as a Gen Zer lol) to pull up to arguments and debates with actual evidence. older folks I talk to generally seem to skim headlines on facebook and base entire viewpoints on those.
Tbf its only 2 pages
@@sanpellegrinolimonatadude you see people of all ages spoonfeed themselves news
I want to push back against the notion that states cannot be of a terrorist nature. The current acts of terror on the people of Gaza are an obvious example of terroristic violence perpetrated by a state. Same goes for systemic war crimes by Russia in Ukraine, or for Crimes against Humanity by the Nigerian army in territories with Boko Haram activity. The US has also engaged in acts of terroristic violence, such as the fire bombings of the second world war, the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima ans Nagasaki, or the indiscriminate bombing of Laos -a neutral nation - during the Vietnam war. I feel I don't even have to mention the many acts of state terrorism engaged in by Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany. Hope the point is clear: States and militaries can absolutely engage in terrorism directly and purposely.
exactly. she fucking forgets
That's a really great point, in Afghanistan also the Taleban took over the government. In South America the democratically chosen governments were violently overthrown by US-backed far right groups.
@@rachelforshee6014they bombed 11000 children and refused negotiations. Worse case Hamas lied and you start again. At least you have the hostages but then they can’t keep bombing. This is about being opportunistic and seizing more land and that’s what Hamas wants because then maybe people will see. This isn’t new. This has been happening since before October 7. It just got worse
Seconded.
@@kellynaz9256no she didnt,
I’m wondering if any of these Americans, not just Americans who recently discovered “bin Laden‘s letter to America” and anyone who lives in the Western World, have listened to Eisenhower’s speech on the military-industrial complex from 1961 - just out of curiosity.
I’m going to lean towards probably not.
I’ve read the Eisenhower letter but not bin Laden’s ironically enough.
Those who’s personality is only driven by empathy and self-hatred will inevitably find their personal ideology flitting between whichever sympathetic and emotive voices they stumble across. They’ve done so little reading and critical thinking that their opinion is just whoever’s voice reaches them most consistently
That was his farewell address to the nation and what an important address it was. Forgotten in about four years! (Vietnam!)
This is why I think this Bin Laden trend is either a troll or the product of intense illiteracy - there have been multiple voices critiquing American- style imperialism/ Military engagement for DECADES with some of these voices being actual elected officials who are household names.
It’s pretty famous, they mention it at least once in most basic US history classes. They don’t go in depth, but they mention the main points.
However, I do think it’s pretty overblown. Yeah, the military is huge and has a big influence over US policy, but it’s certainly not the only thing in that category. The oil and fruit trades, overseas manufacturing, etc. It may be scary if we were spending that much on just the ability to kill people, but we’re not. The companies we give the money to are mostly american, their workers are american, and therefore the taxes they pay are to the american government. We use the military like direct investment that also happens to give us the ability to control the world, not the other way around.
I really love it when bourgeoisie brats who think it's stressful to express opinions in their pyjamas with a cuppa after pressing a button on their super-computer think they're the natural allies and great mates of extremely violent sociopaths.
This comment is amazing.
I never thought I'd ever want to frame a RUclips comment and put it on a wall somewhere before but. . . here we are.
@@wormwoodcocktail amazingly condescending. This comment section is full of it.
@@SmallBobby Condescending doesn’t mean wrong.
@@SmallBobbynot an argument
The oldest of the younger people are finally growing into their frontal cortex’s. These gals are, what, all in their early-mid 20s. It’s normal to suddenly come to realizations about your world views at this stage of development. What’s different is, the context of their upbringing was divorced from the realities of the lived-experiences of events like 9/11, the unibomber, all the things. They either weren’t born, or were too young to personally feel the terror or witness the consequences of the violence.
It’s normal to have a period of time where you suddenly experience empathy for perpetrators of horrendous crimes. I think that’s a marker of adult maturity. However, like all cookies that crumble, none repeat exactly the same way. And thus, you have some young people picking up the wrong conclusions and running ALONG with the perpetrators narratives! Why? Because they don’t know wth they’re talking about yet 😅. They’re still growing and figuring stuff out.
Dialogue is good. A ton of rigorous and diverse research as well as travel should be encouraged for young people today. ❤
This is a really good point, and as someone who’s almost 26 I can confirm - the way my brain has changed over the last few years is akin to that thing when you hit puberty and suddenly feel extremely profound for awhile because your brain can finally have a complex thought.
This is utter crap man, the only reason these girls and guys are having their worlds shattered is cause of lack of education. They have simply been let down by their families and education systems. They were never exposed to the perspectives of people who the US has harmed with its foreign policy.
I am a politics nerd, and I have been since I was about 12, so in the same way other people may know everything about the ninja turtles or something, I could tell you the underlying causes and impacts of the vietnam war. I had this realization that american foreign policy wasn’t always the best around the time I was 13 during my Green Day phase. And I am no genius, so if 13 year old me can come to that realization in a conservative household then it has nothing to do with being 23.
What happened building 7? Why were M O S S A D agents dancing and recording the collapse of the twin towers?.....
@@blucantrell2 you’re not wrong to ask these questions. But how do you fix problems? Turn over the table and walk away? Bad actors must be rooted out and replaced by people who have virtues and will to serve others for a better world for all. The problem of evil is very real. Insidious. And a hard problem. Thank you for your comment. Keep reading and exploring and talking with others.
Absolutely agree. I'm 25, and to think how much I've personally grown and matured in the past 7 years since I was a freshman in uni is insane. Like you, I think that research is important to allow us to change our minds and even reflect on how much it's changed. But the truth is that researching and reading takes up a lot of time and effort, and the vast majority of people aren't willing to do that. So we end up stuck with a bunch of people with little to no life experience out in the real world who think they are specialists in extremely complex issues.
I have a BA in International Relations, and graduated back in 2020 with, ironically, a dissertation about the normalising ties between Israel and the Arab countries and how that could affect the two-State solution going forward. As a result, I had to read pretty much everything I could find on the Middle East's history since the early 1900s to understand what's going on now - and I have to say that I was far more empathetic to the Palestinian plight before I read about it in-depth and saw how the PLO and other organizations managed to stir up trouble everywhere they went. It's hard to feel sorry for a people ungrateful enough they're willing to commit terror attacks against people in countries who offered them refuge - not just in the Middle East, but around the world. Many of them aren't interested in solving the problem, they just want to bring it with them everywhere they go and make it everyone else's issue to solve. That's why I feel empathy for the civilians who legitimately don't agree with terror acts, but it's nearly impossible to tell them apart from the "civilians" who don't commit terror acts themselves, but endorse and celebrate when they happen. I mean, there's a good reason why the far-right seems to be getting stronger in a lot of Western countries again, and people like these tiktokers are one of the reasons for it.
Tiktokers learning about the motivations of Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda is not a bad thing. They aren't calling for violence. What they are doing is educating themselves about the complicated nature of geopolitcs.
For instance, the South African ANC party that overthrew the Apartheid state was once considered a terrorist organization and they did kill civilians just like Al-Qaeda. Mandela was on a terrorist watchlist until 2008.
exactly. reading something doesn't equate to supporting all of the views it details. if anything it broadens your perspective
The ANC didn't target civilians or human life. Important point of accuracy. Other more radical movements like the PAC and later AZAPO had a different tactic. That said, the argument is still useful
Except for the fact that tiktokers aren't simply learning about the motivations. They're reading a screed that includes blaming the Jews within the first paragraph and are saying "Wow, I love Bin Laden! They lied to us about him!" just completely brushing over the genocidal, misogynistic, Islamic colonialist sh*t they just read. THAT is dangerous and that IS a problem.
@@sanpellegrinolimonata no offense but this is cope.
@@MegaDiva1999Wrong the ANC did target black south africans.
Glad that people are taking a deeper dive into the whole Gaza thing rather than falling into the easy trap of polarizing to one side or the other. Sadly, a lot of people have made up their minds about things and see any other thought as a threat and people with bigger picture ideas as an instant enemy
Easily one of the most articulate and informed videos you have ever made. It's really great seeing you use your education to create amazing videos.
There also seems to be some overlap between Islamic radicalism and the red pill. I’ve seen complaints that many conservative millennial and Gen Z Muslim men in Europe are becoming Andrew Tate fans. Even the Taliban seems to feel emasculated, and feminism isn’t exactly thriving in Afghanistan
Yep. Tate even converted to Islam. It’s been a /pol/ meme for years that “Islam is only right about Jews and women”.
Absolutely, Tate loves a religion that openly states you can beat your wife and that women should obey them.
He said part of the reason he went to Islam specifically was the culture was strong, and specified people don't make fun of Islam as they fear it unlike Christianity.
The Redpill idolizes the fruits of Islamic fundamentalism - "White Sharia" was also a semi serious ideal of a lot of alt-right spaces who have some redpill overlap.
Pro-Palestinians and Andrew Tate are saying the same things.
If you go far enough in an extreme, you loop back.
@@wormwoodcocktail
They aint wrong. Islam places huge emphasis in biological differences between M and W. If the West will thrive in the future and not get swollen by post modern stupidity and genderlesness self hatred, is gonna be thanks to Islam ironically
if you would have told me that *progressive women simping for Bin Laden* would be on my 2023 bingo card, I would have never believed you lol
??? How do we know they’re progressive? Also, this was like a few tiktokers, I don’t understand why everyone is losing their minds over bad internet takes.
@@Sarah-re7cg Ma’am, it’s mostly pro-Palestine progressives making these videos. Conservatives are not.
@@Sarah-re7cg oh and the reason people are reacting is those same few videos went insane viral; why do you take issue with people calling out progressive mistakes?
I feel this so much with communism. Milions of people had suffered, including my familly, and yet some kids in their cozy western chairs are saying like its tghe best thing ever.
I think the argument here is that political ideology alone has no power whatsoever, and essentially there isn’t any government or country in the world practicing purely one ideology. It is actually the greedy power hungry politicians who will use whenever means that give them power that are causing the sufferings. Dictatorship is real culprit not ideology. If ideology holds any power, then the political world will be run by philosophers 😂😂😂There are merits in all the philosophies and ideologies. Like China is actually one of the more capitalistic country when it comes to economic practices, and the US also has labour unions and labour movement sparked by communism to protect labour right.
These tiktoks all do one thing - direct you to engage in their comments. I think this is people hopping on a trend rather than people who actually read the letter (or possibly read anything ever). Notice they don't actually have anything to say about the contents of said letter - such as the homophobia. Just gross people greedy for engagement.
I haven't watched the full video yet, but I just want to share a few of my opinions. Regarding the Letter, everyone is saying that "look! He didn't just attack America because he "hated our freedoms", he had actual good reasons!", and yes, part of those reasons do include American foreign policy of the 80s and 90s regarding the Middle East. But, what they aren't talking about is that those aren't his only reasons for attacking America. He _did_ say that he also attacked America because we haven't adopted Sharia Law, because women have rights, because we don't follow Islam, because we allow the "debauchery" of homosexuality and gambling. So all those videos where people were saying "wow he had actual good reasons" are either ignorant or conveniently ignoring the fact that YES, he DID hate us for our freedoms, that just wasn't the only reason. And sure, maybe saying "he hates us for our freedoms" is kind of a cringy way of saying it, and he certainly wouldn't call those "freedoms", but still, he DID hate us for those reasons, in ADDITION to the foreign policy reasons. So anyone saying anyone saying that he had "real reasons" is ignoring the full letter. He hated us for a variety of reasons, and "our freedoms" was a part of that. In addition, is everyone stanning this letter suddenly forgetting what he did? On what planet could you possible justify what he did for _any_ reason? So because the American government did things that he didn't like, the logical (and apparently acceptable?) response is to kill thousands of innocent Americans who had absolutely nothing to do with what he's angry about. Many of the people who died on 9/11 weren't even American, and yet they still suffered and died, the same as everyone else. And I feel like a lot of the people talking so positively about this letter don't seem to realize just how horrible 9/11 was. They say "go read Bin Laden's Letter to America" and I say to them "go listen to the 911 calls made by Melissa Doi and Kevin Cosgrove on 9/11." They are absolutely horrifying. And tell me, after listening to those calls, did either of them deserve that fate? As someone who has done lots of extensive research on 9/11, one thing I've found is that the deeper and deeper you go into the research rabbit hole, the worse it gets. Every time you think it can't get worse, you find something that proves you wrong, and so to think that someone could read this letter and think that it serves any justification whatsoever for the atrocities committed against innocent people is wild to me. Maybe he had justifiable reasons for being angry at the American government. If you stop there, fine. But he went on to murder thousands of innocent people in one of worst, most atrocious terrorist acts in modern history. He ended thousands of lives, and ruined countless more. He claims to care about children in his letter, but what about all the children's lives he ruined by taking their parents away from them? What about all the children he killed (because there were children on the planes, as young as two years old). He did all of that, but it's okay and "justified" because America (and Americans) are the only country and the only people that it's okay to hate. Anti-Americanism is popular, hating them is okay, sometimes even encouraged. I swear some people are so addicted to anti-Americanism that they will literally go so far as to justify and sympathize with a literal terrorist who killed thousands of innocent people (and not just on 9/11 either) if it means they get to blame Americans for something.
I find it quite unbecoming of Kidology thinking that the US actually follows any of the wartime laws they made
Welcome to Middle east to learn who followed war laws and does not. Lol
@@menthol1234 I am middle eastern
I'm always awestruck by how well you put into words what I'm feeling at the moment. At the end you say how predominantly brown women have been falling victim to this narrative of "i'm such a poor colonised warrior" by Osama (and to some extent liberal White women too). It's very similar to something we have been experiencing a lot as Exmuslims. especially Exmuslim women living in predominantly Islamic country by Muslims who live in the West: this sense of faux-enlightenment which is thinly-veiled superiority complex that they feel by simping/caping for the underdog, in this case Islamic religion. So a lot of necessary criticisms, be it of Islam, Taliban or even Hamas gets swept under "you're racist", "your brain is under the influence of whiteness" and so on. It rings similar to your points on the last video about breadtube: privileged black americans who are out of touch from working class black americans and even people from the African continent.
it's very strange to me how people who are from a relatively wealthy background in the US see fit to speak about their experience as a Muslim and their treatment of any group in the US as being a universal standard for how Muslims act. I can understand it in the sense of wanting to make Islam seem more approachable to a western audience, but I cannot for one moment believe that a persons experience or beliefs from growing up in Texas as a Muslim is the indicative of person growing up in any majority Islamic country.
@@jajordan2106EXACTLY
Great video, as per usual. You are my fav socio/political analyst on RUclips. This can’t be easy, so know that I appreciate your hard work fam.
This topic has been heavy on my mind and you break it down so well. Although I am liberal by most metrics, the online left and far left don’t often broach these topics well and it’s nice to hear from someone who can think critically about a particular discourse and express ideas with nuance as eloquently as you
Again, much appreciated fam! Keep it up
you are absolutely brilliant. one of my favourite content creators, love from a random romanian girl
Americans when they learn that colonialism breeds contempt for the colonial power among the colonised: 😮😮😮😮
bro can you rephrase what you mean, I’m sorry. I’m not native so sometimes I have difficulties comprehending certain sentences 🥲
@cherrriASMR oh, thanks for explaining it :)
It’s beyond just colonialism, people just want power. Colonialism or not there’s always going to be conflict over power at every scale of human existence.
@@LalapizzleAnd…..it’s COLONIALISM. End of story. Sorry you can’t accept reality because it makes you feel yucky and guilty.
Who did America colonize exactly related to Osama Bin Laden? Please, explain.
You can’t dehumanize a group of people, help to instill fundamentalist regimes (Iran being the obvious example), exploit their resources, treat them like monsters and then be surprised when they behave as such. By saying that terrorism is not a response, you are effectively saying that there is a clear good/evil dichotomy, even though you are trying to avoid it.
No shes not, did you not taken in everything she said on the nation states, their necessity for evil action to uphold them, the inherently contradictions in it and liberalism, i think here she really muddled up any good evil dichotomy that could be perceived by westerns by basically saying "no shit , what did you think was going on".
Effectively we havent escaped our tribalism our tendecy of atrociteis and war
Shes held the postion about what you said being correct generally but simply simply took a different stance in it.
Note how a definition of terrorism was given the targetting of civilians for political gain.The liberation of the people from the imperialist is a politcal postion as when the pdf fight against the mynmmar junta that is a political postion.
For her to do what youve said in this comment qould need the complete rejection of these people being just human beings.
Foreign policy will always be that way. That's the whole point of her video.
@@inbb510 then you’ll always get terrorized back sooo. And Americans are wrong for being pissed? What?
They were fundamentalist far before western influence.
But that's the thing, it's not like Islamic fundamentalist organizations stand for values of anti-colonialism and freedom. They often oppress their own people, like the Taliban is doing right now to the people of Afghanistan. In fact, a lot of Islamic fundamentalist organizations have the goal of conquering more territory and violating the sovereignty of other nations/peoples, like ISIS. I agree with you that nations like the US fuel this violence by unjustly exploiting and controlling other countries, but that violence will not end with terrorist organizations. As Kidology pointed out, terrorists need violence to achieve their goals, so they will always inflict more violence on both civilians in the West and civilians in the Middle East.
So I have watched until about 54:02 I notice some troubling ideas on your part. You seem to completely ignore the context of the word ' terrorist' and the distinct nature of the people who use it. Without that crucial context you are bound to arrive at a wrong conclusion and I am afraid , will chastise the left more than necessary. When Indians waged their armed resistance against British colonial rulers , they were called a terrorist too. The reason you highlight what 'Hamas did' and the existential warfare of Hamas is the SAME reason you don't highlight the existential warfare of Haganah/Irgun/Lehi, Jewish militia, or people like Daniella Weiss or Smotrich or Ben Gvir or the presence of Neo Nazzis in Ukrainian army . It is the same reason you believe 'foreign policy' is fucked up and therefore paradoxically judged with a bit more lenient moral and ethical yardstick than actions of Al Qaida or other groups. Its the same reason America (USA) used to call OBL a 'freedom fighter' as long as he was waging the SAME existential warfare against an adversary of USA. And the reason is in the belief that 'might is right' and as long as the state has the might , it is right or at least not as bad as terrorists because apparently there are some laws in place to check them,no matter how weak and ineffective they are. So even though I do think these women are totally off the rails , I see in your justification of state policies a lot of trouble. This whole narrative is at the end of the day formed by the one who has power , i.e. white countries.
N.B. - Also quite baffled by your assumption that states do not use 'human shields' , Israel uses them regularly which are well recorded. LOL I think , as you mentioned, since the idea of nation state is so young , you and lot of us find it hard to reconcile with the fact that state , and armed groups supporting a state , can use violence just as arbitrarily , unjustly and for no purpose other than spreading terror. That is how Israel itself was created.
100% agree with this take, I feel she is sometimes biased in how she views certain groups, in this case “modern women on TikTok” and that also molds her opinions.
@@dinkyboss She is all over the place here. Boko Haram and Hamas are not the same. Its quite reductive to be honest. Also criticizing 'modern women on Tiktok' for not recognizing the violent 'foreign policy' that ensures their safety/freedom at the same time herself holding those same views of western foreign policy as truth.
thank you i'm honestly shocked you had to explain this to a south african
@@Valkyri3Zwhere did she state that this foreign policy was truth?
@@Ppuhuu what does her being South African have to do with it? Do all South Africans think the same?
You have such patience and empathy, I could never.
I am truly afraid of what our future will look like in 30 years.
Je ne savais pas quoi écrire, mais bravo, you said it all ! Ca fait du bien de voir du bon sens sur internet omg !
I love your videos. The only critique i have is downplaying the role the USA has in destabilising the middle east.
She's just stating facts the reason why there is so much violence in the middle east is because of muslims and islam.
Islam is the biggest problem
This is why the word nuance exists. Two things can be true at once. Islamic fundamentalist’s existence does not negate the United States using them as scapegoats to gain military control over regions and yes, that includes their natural resources. “Dick Cheney made money off the Iraq war” isn’t a meme for no reason. 25% of Americans suspect the US govt was responsible for 9/11, this is not for no reason.
I also think you highly underestimate the lengths US organizations like the CIA go to when it comes to international infiltration & national propaganda campaigns. There’s a long list of things the CIA has admitted to doing. There is legitimacy when it comes to suspicions & conspiracies regarding the USA’s “foreign policy” if it can be called that. Bin Laden can be a terrorist, an Islamic fundamentalist; while simultaneously, the United States has historically committed crimes against humanity and its own citizens, for yes- capitalist interests. Those interests are defended by those same citizens who experience hardships- yet find the sacrifice worthy to live the American life. Again, two things true at once, people suffer; & thrive in the US.
“Tiktokers” who are feeling disillusioned by Bin Laden’s letter just haven’t truly comprehended America’s history. But for those who are aware of America’s role in the world, don’t twist, negate, or ignore America’s well documented & exposed history; just because other things are true at the same time.
This is the rare case when I strongly disagree with Kidology. I won't go through every bizarre thing in this video, because then I'll never end; instead I want to look at some premises.
First, there is no "unbiased", "objective", or "neutral" positions and no experts who would hold them. You cannot derive narrative simply by looking at raw data. We are all human beings with our biases, different values, and environments where we came from. Experts are no exception, and human factor is always involved. I may trust (to some extent) people whose bias I can understand, even if we have different values and positions. But I never trust people who are "objective" and "unbiased" - there is always a hidden agenda put there willingly or not. I know nothing about experts Kidology listened to, but if they indeed present themselves as "unbiased", it would explain lots of absurd claims made in this video starting with the statement that nation states emerged only after WW2 (which is just false), and ending with attempt to put on Hamas responsibility for Israel's indiscriminate bombings (which is ridiculous).
So, it seems for me that some of tiktoks that Kuidology didn't like (specifically those which are explicitely againts Bin Laden's statements and using them to better understand the situation) are actualy more reasonable and more nuanced than Kidology's own takes in this video. I don't know how much value there is in this letter; I believe, Bin Laden was just another crooked polititian from another country, hence there is no point to think, that anything he says or writes is genuine in the first place (because we don't believe that our own polititians are genuine, and there is no difference here). But maybe for some people it's just a point to start thinking independently, so I don't hate it either.
Finally, the statement made at the end of the video, that everything is so complex that we'll never understand it, sounds like something that polititians and state officials would say. "It's too complex for your, trust our expertise, don't question us". Some questions can be very complex, but others are pretty simple. Bombing civilians is a war crime even if the other side thinks killing civilians is ok and does it themselves, that's it.
Thank you. I was extremely disappointed with this video. Even her tone was very different from the norm, a more heated tone that continued to blatantly say that those kids murdered by Israelis deserved that because of Hamas.
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Extremely well put!!
honestly the more videos i watch of her the less sense she makes
What on Earth are you blathering about.
16:55 As a french guy... this baffles me... We, by the intermediate of our prime minister at that time Dominique de Villepin, told you that it was wrong, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, that there were no WMD. And a lot of other countries told you so. And now this lady is like "Oh my God maybe the war in Iraq was wrong ! *surpise pikachu face* "...
The fact that some people are "awakened" by an old letter from a disgusting person is perplexing (to say the least). They seem to only react to what's trendy. They have no counscious about the past, History or cause and effect.
And what baffles me the most is that they should at least have some semblance of patriotism and defend their country as much as criticizing it. But nope, one day they're like "MURICA FUCK YEAH!", and the next day "Oh my God! We are the vilains!!!"... What about you're neither of those things? You know, again, cause and effect, context, History, etc.
And I say that as someone who considers at this point in time America as an ennemy of France. But if I were american, I would defend the country wich permits me to live in confort. I would criticize it, yes, but I would also aknowledge that the world is full of potential ennemies and that most countries are at war against each other. You shouldn't saw off the branch you are sitting on.
Sorry for my rant but I just can't stand people oblivious to the outside world.
Hi, just curious, why do you view America as an enemy of France
@@britneyt9253 Mainly because France is a vassal of the USA. We are not a sovereign country anymore. We are dependant on Germany on a political level, Germany is the unofficial leader of the EU, the EU is the doormat of the USA.
For example, the USA is ripping Europe via the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership. Wich is not a partnership at all, it's a way for the USA to conquer the european market. In term, this means that european countries will lose more and more independance because of the economic dependance towards the USA. And wars have begun for less.
Why do you think there is a war in Ukraine right now? Because the USA and Russia try to conquer a market. Russia wants more land for agriculture and bigger frontiers angainst NATO. The USA before the beginning of this war corrupted urkainian politicians and their justice system. There were talks about economical partnerships between Ukraine and the USA. Again, this is how the USA take hold of a country. They buy it.
Another example is how the USA is planning to build nuclear plants in Europe. Why them instead of another country (for example France)? Because the EU prevent their members to do so... So the USA comes and say "hey! We can do it!"... Wich means, again that countries will rely on american technology and be on the long run dependant of the USA. This is in big part because of Germany who is anti-nuclear officially for ecological reasons, but the truth is that they don't want France to use their nuclear technology to gain power. So they prefer to sell Europe to the USA and stay on top of France, again for political reasons.
So, no, the USA is not the friend of France. The motto of the USA could be "Buy our stuff... or else...". It's always the same story. It's either be dependant on american economy or be an ennemy of the USA. Wich to me is the same. Hence why I say the USA is the ennemy of France.
@@britneyt9253 i wanted to ask the same thing
@@britneyt9253I’m not an American or European but I think it's because of the perversion and destruction of European cultures and trying to turn them into melting pots like the US. Now Europe’s demographic is changing and so does its culture. Embrace yourself for another dark age.
Why is France out enemy? We love France
I came here from another video, so I might be seen by you, Kidology. I really appreciate your respect for each discussion. Too many people will discuss topics on the ground that the people they disagree with are bad and that they are good, but you show sympathy while also not weakening your own stance. Please keep it up.
"This is fucking insane". I have to say, the first person's first words were a perfect description of all the others that followed.
32:21 It’s amusing that you accuse these Tiktokers of naive smugness without considering the possibility that you display it yourself.
I love your nuance
59:53 That’s an awful lot of mental gymnastics you have to perform to not hold Israel responsible for over 14000 deaths.
Can you explain to me why Hamas is able to count the deaths so quickly and tell how many died the same day? Israel needed several days to count the deaths from 10/7 and they are still searching for bodies.
@@pikapi6993 This is the count given by several humanitarian charities working on the ground.
@@imjustvisiting5397 this is totally unbelievable. How are they supposed to be able to do so? Israel, powerful Israel, with their advanced everything, drones etc., has trouble to count about 1500 dead bodies. But primitive Gaza is able to count 14000 deaths the day it happened? Total BS
Many catastrophies world wide happen, and they can never tell you the same day how many people died, unless only a few died. If thousands died, it takes them several days. Hamas tells the world after a few minutes. Like the "hospital bombing" that was infact a parking lot bombing and failed missile of islamic jihad. Hamas government immediately told the world that 500 people died. When did they count them? Nothing makes sense there. And the fotos prove that far less than 500 died, because the rocket didn't cause much. Even the cars' windows stayed intact
Interesting, nuanced take Kidi. The US army is arguably a de facto terrorist organisation deployed under the rubric of state power. And I'd further argue that referring to insurgent, none state political organizations blanketly as 'terrorist' is not appropriate. The definitions of A terrorist state like the U.S cannot be normalised and used without context or history. Including thst Al Qaeda and Hammas for example were both formed by the United States and Israel respectively.
We get it bro you support hamas
Thank you for making this video! Much respect. שלום
Well people. Even though her point of view is interesting, it is still biased and informed by her personal view and lecture of the world. She said herself that is she believes in individualism and in other videos something along the lines to “man is a wolf to man”… That is still a very subjective way to understand the world. Her analytic view is to put side to side not with random tiktokers but with informed geopolitics experts with different views of the situation than hers, particularly when it comes to the reciprocity of the western response and nuance about the colonised/colonisers.
On the letter to America and bin laden part though she is totally right.
Thank you kidology; I hadn't seen this trend, but it beggars belief. You as always deliver a top notch analysis. I have learnt something today. Thank you
Ok, I hope Kidology or at least some people read this comment because I think there are some important things to address here.
First of all, I do think that having a "spiritual awakening" by reading Bin Laden's letter is pretty ridiculous, and for people who have been around the block this isn't anything new and it's actually pretty concerning that some of the young people talking about this just skim past the anti-semitism and other problematic things within the letter.
That being said, the title of this video is somewhat of a red herring. It may have as well been called "Why Islamic Fundamentalism is evil". The core focus and discussion point here stems from Bin Laden's letter and he is an Islamic Fundamentalist however as we dive deeper into this video I feel Kidology falls into a very common trap typical of a "Western" individual when discussing these issues. That is to say, lots of critique about Islam and Islamic Fundamentalism and very little talk of anything else driving the narrative. I think she may have mentioned Christian Fundamentalism and other religious fundamentalism once in this entire video yet "Islamic Fundamentalism" was mentioned probably over 100 times.
Again, this is a video supposedly about Bin Laden's letter so we are talking about Islamic Fundamentalism. But in an hour and a half we cover the topic as if Islamic Fundamentalists are somehow unique in their views separate of other religious fundamentalists. The argument is made that Islamic Fundamentalists use "human shields" and Hamas doesn't care about civilians which is fair enough but the Zionist project does not care about civilians either- clear in their bombing without discretion of Palestinian civilians where the average age of those killed is 5 years old, yet this video only attributes killing people without discretion as a trait of Islamic Fundamentalists. And let's talk about Christian Zionists, who literally only want Jewish people to congregate in Israel so the rapture happens for themselves, not actually caring about the Jews. Or the Hannibal Directive, which is easily Google-able, a directive by the IDF which literally states when regarding hostages: "the kidnapping must be stopped by all means, even at the price of striking and harming our own forces." And yet none of these other fundamentalist narratives are mentioned which, if we're going to go by the title of this video, certainly applies to the West's view of the narrative. And if we're bringing Sharia Law into this and talking about history well then you've opened up another can of worms you're practically obligated to address, which is the proselytizing of Christianity over recent history (last several hundred years) and the devastating impact that has had on native communities and yes, women as well as queer people have suffered from Christian indoctrination as well.
As you said, this issue is far too complex for any of us to know the true "truth" behind it all, but for a video essay the length of a feature film this piece does a great disservice by being so clearly biased in its approach and I believe it could have granted a little air time to some of these themes to in the very least convey a message that this is actually complicated beyond just saying "this is complicated". Nobody expects you to be covering each angle literally the same way, but you must make a solid attempt to acknowledge this is not solely a problem of Islam, especially in today's political climate.
Yes, I agree. After watching the full video, it felt as though this was biased against Islam. Bin Laden’s letter was the opening that had led to her points regarding Islamic Fundamentalists / fundamentalism. Once terrorism was brought up, I felt she had only focused on Hamas but failed to explore or point out the other side. Israel’s terroristic / violent actions against the people of Gaza and Palestinians could have been brought up and talked about. Aren’t there actions, too, are that of a terrorist organization targeting Palestinian children?
I don't agree though.
She talks about Islamic fundamentalism because Islamic fundamentalism is the weapon that is used by Bin laden to cause these issues. So I don't understand what you mean by her being biased. I think you just don't like that it was brought up.
@@rubyblue7119people who buy into islamophobia as a concept tend to do what the original commenter did here: they either say that islam is being victimized or deflect from criticism by saying it's not exclusive to them. It's trying to lay the blame elsewhere, plain and simple. We can acknowledge that religions can all be shitty in different ways. Ayaan Hirsi Ali discusses this thoroughly.
I think it's funny to make your personal issue with all religions an issue for other people. A lady decided to address a particular problem, but she must not discuss it except she discusses every other potential issue related to it. If you are that concerned, go make your own well-informed video. Please include atheistic groups as well. If not, your video won't be balanced. Clearly, I think your comment is not balanced as well owing to that huge oversight.
I don’t think she talked about Christian fundamentalism because we don’t have a bunch of Christian incels who lack purpose on their lives breaking into a planned parenthood clinic (because Christian fundamentalism hates abortion) and killing everyone inside. That stuff just doesn’t happen. Not sayin people don’t do dumb and violent things in the name of “Christ “ but Islamic Fundamentalism is just on a whole other level.
Bless you, it would be so interesting to know you, you are such a thoughtful commentator! I turn to your videos as a nuanced breath of fresh air. Thanks for keeping me sane!!
isn't it kinda like those people simping over serial killers? "oh he was just misunderstood" "you don't get it but i do" "he was a victim of society, that's why he murdered people" "his hate for jews is so cute uwu"
I’m sorry but I must say, this is not one of your better videos. It’s also definitely not as nuanced as you may think it is. I’m not going to repeat why as I’ve seen a few excellent comments here have done that already.
I’ve watched a lot of your videos and sometimes I agree, sometimes I don’t. You make some good points but overall this one gets a 👎🏽 from me.
I don't think it's quite as easy as "foreign policy is just a reality" or that the CIA et al just have a very complex job that is "necessary" but that we cannot possibly understand. The USA, its armies and agencies have committed atrocities, war crimes and killed millions in the decades after the second world war that were by no means "necessary" to protect itself or its allies. Yes, not everything our governments or education systems teach us in the west is wrong, but it is hard to deny there is hardly any truth to - however very pervasive - slogans such as that America protects freedom or the 'rules-based' international order. Bin Laden's letter is a badly written and incoherent amalgamation of quran quotes, confused ideas such as the west mistreating women and the islamic right to Israel, and a few historical facts torn about context. That these women see that slur as anything meaningful is less an indictment of themselves but painfully inadequate education in the us.
This is the most nuanced and sophisticated take on foreign policy, terrorism, and the “discourse “ that I have heard so far
What an excellent video essay. You’ve brought so much nuance into this conversation and have inspired me to do more research into the topic. Thank you for sharing!
Best summary starts at 1:11:25 imo.
The Taliban's critique of the West's methods of colonialism, oppression, and civilian causalities is a very *liberal* thing to say. Liberalism* is squarely against the Taliban's fundamentalism, which purposefully erases the lines between combatants and civilians, and views the world as a constant conflict in the physical sense: a constant war. They frequently oppress other Muslims when given the chance, and shield themselves among civilians so that the inevitable casualties stoke the fire of vengeance and devotion to their cause. Islamic fundamentalists have been doing this long before America/the 'West' came to their land to commit sins in the name of oil.
Tiktok leftists are expressing their disappointment with the "West's" illiberal foreign policy decisions while overlooking the Taliban's blatant hypocrisy: they are aggressors just as much as they are victims.
*watch 21:44 to understand what she means by liberalism, as defined primarily by International Relations studies instead of just by partisan politics.
I've had some time to digest this video, and I tried to come up with a thorough and intelligent answer, but I find it hard to put into words how let down I am with the direction you're going regarding this issue. Your tweets had given me an indication but this video really cemented this. I've always looked at your videos as very insightful and unbiased, and I learnt a lot from your channel, even when I didn't always agree. But this isn't just disagreement... The fact that you're focusing on the "Hamas is the root of the problem" rethoric, quoting unverified Israeli reports as facts, and downplaying the influence of the US in screwing around with so many regions around the world has been really disheartening, specially when you see what's happening (and has been for so long) in Gaza and the West Bank.
I think it's important to keep in mind that two things can be true at the same time. Yes, the government of Israel is wrong in their persistent bombing of Palestinians in Gaza. However, Hamas is wrong to kidnap and bomb innocent Israelis.
In it's history, the US has committed atrocities at home and abroad. That being said, it was wrong for bin Laden to kill innocent American civilians on 9/11. He is not justified in his actions any more than the US is in our bad acts. It's important to have many sources of information when learning about history and politics. Often the truth is not black and white, is quite nuanced, and most importantly, takes time and effort to find.
Hamas is a terrorist government organization. The Palistinian people have a highly questionable and violent history over the last century. They have a tendency to align themselves with violent organizations for the purpose of promoting strict Sharia. They have utterly destroyed Lebenon, and have upset multiple other muslim nations that accepted them as refugees or citizens. That is why they are, today, stuck in Gaza and West Bank under strict Israeli rule. Even then they manage to repeatedly attack Israeli civilians provoking violence against themselves. Everytime they witness another nation (muslim or christain) suffer a terrorist attack, Palistinians across the world dance in the streets. They danced after 9/11. They danced after the recent October 7 attack. There are videos of them dancing in New York.
Now they are using our college kids to fight their political battles for them and enact violence. Not violence towards Israeli people from Israel. Violence towards anyone jewish. Jewish college students are hiding in libraries from propalistine mobs. Are the American Palistinians trying to stop these mobs? Nope, most footage shows them feeding the mob's anger and justifying violence.
I dont need "proper statistics" to see these obvious things taking place on video in the USA.
@@originalcosmicgirl yes american racialised slavery was evil and immoral but why did nat turner kill all those people??? do you see what’s wrong with always seeking some fictitious neutral middle ground in the name of ‘nuance’. when you make the oppressed equivalent with their oppressor you send a clear message of your side.
thank you for taking the time to make such an informative video on this. it is so baffling to see so many people completely misunderstand OSAMA BINLADEN and his ideology.
I was, personally, not at ease when people started praising Hamas. Hamas as what it symbolises itself, not the people who join it for resistance (at their place, after losing my whole family in bombing, i would do the same). It started when i saw people talking about becoming mulsim after seeing the atrocities committed to Palestinians in Gaza and people talking about "being martyrs". I was horrified and saddened and i thought that those things was not good reasons to adopt a religion. That's not a sane way to step in. And of course, that feeling that there was many christians, jews in Gaza too and they were being killed because a fondamentalist islamic group decided to drag everyone in the war, that would not leave me... I did not read that letter and i'm not planning to. I am still enraged and saddened by what is going on, but this video helped me to clear up the confusion about Hamas and helped me to remember the reason why i am for an immediate ceasefire : the genocide going on. Not Hamas that decided on its own to drag all Gazans (and many others) in the conflict, labeling all of them as martyrs.
I just watched this over on Britney Simons video. It sparked such an interesting discussion. This video is great and I look forward to trying out some of your other content xx
Oh my god, I'm so exited for this video ! I saw this going around and I immediately thought that I need your reaction to this!!!!
I was waiting for you to bring up The End of History 😂😂 before I switched my second major to computer science, I studied international relations. I still have all my syllabi and reading material if you’re curious. It’s incredibly fascinating.
Am I the only one that finds it embarrassing to hear a tiktoker use the word media literacy, in context to simping for bin laden over a letter?
Oh and btw, you are making here the same arguments that were used to defend Apartheid.
Wow, this was an amazing video!
The analysis of the situation, the history of this all and the brilliant flow of wisdom from you - just bravo. Great work, thanks so much! I'll have to listen to this again on normal speed and take notes. Big smile and best regards from Norway.
You are absolutely brilliant. Thank you for this video
Kidology's is so gorgeous. I'm straight up in love with your face and am totally into this parasocial relationship.
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Me too. She is so intelligent.
@@ingweking8748 beyond that, she's fuqin sexy AF IDGAF.
how can you say the military and us arent terrorist ? just because they dont do it on our territory?
Exactly
I haven’t finished the video but I hope you mention that Bin Laden’s Gen Z stans “cancelled” him after they found out he was a Saudi nepo baby 😂😵💫
I wonder if they know he didn't like homosexuals and homosexuals of women as homosexuals carriers.
Someone who identifies with anti-imperialism but has their minds blown by Bin Laden is profoundly unserious. There have been substantial critiques on US forgien policy in the middle east for decades - some of the most scathing ones coming from libertarians...I get that a lot of these posters were too young to remember these discussions in passing but Adam Curtis documentaries are fully available on RUclips.
I don’t even like Adam Curtis, but, like, *yeah.* Like, did these b!tches really believe Bush when he said that terrorists were just big meanies who hate America’s freedom? Because literally everyone who was paying attention quickly realized that the hijackers were pissed off about Palestine. They’re been pissed off about Palestine since the 40s. I’m just baffled that American schools are this bad.
Can I just say I hate the cadence that most of these women talk with? And it’s not just them, it’s all over the internet.
“Like… *smacks lips* I don’t even know what to say to y’all. I can’t belie-I cannot believe that igottastanduphereandsaytheobvious. Just… things be so dumb, ya’ll. *smacks lips*. *Dramatic pause*… *cutesy side-eye* for real.”
They are so dumb
maybe you're just a misogynist then
stop thinking you are better than them, you are just as annoying
also wtf, I HAD to go read this freaking letter just to see what did he say that can shake up so many people... Im shocked. thats it?!? THAT is what sent them into an existential crisis? I have no words
What i don't understand is why doesn't K just read the letter out loud? What is sooo mind shattering about it?
Sorry about the breadtube video. That was a necessary video for all people to hear.
In regards to this one I appreciate you once more advocating the need to truly put in the work yourself if you want to learn about international politics. Its alot, humans are alot and people often forget that.
The taliban is "at its roots" religious fundementalist (i dont know enough to dispute this and i dont care to), Do you think that america is "at its roots" white supremist? because if the nature of its creation?
Im frustrated by your tendencies to say things are complex without really providing a more conplex world view.
Ummm... Hey no hate thi, love your videos
Always good to hear you Kido. You take your time and try to really think instead of those tiktok girls just discovering international politics. Hope your video get views.
13:47 The Palestinian people completely disagree with you. Are you going to dictate what the truth is?
@@muadhnate Have you spoken with the Palestinian people? Have you listened to what they have to say? Cope harder with your false narratives
Thank you for tackling this difficult topic. It was a pleasure listening to your presentation.
While I really appreciate your insight and the point of view you provide, I think that you should make a video focusing on just the war between Israel and Palestine. This video focuses a lot on conflicts that are imo not that clearly correlated. You made references and comparisons to the current situation but I think that the comparisons are quite weak and don't stand much on their own. While the story about Bin Laden was nice, I don't see how it relates to Hamas except for that they are both religious fundamentalists. The history of the two conflicts is not nearly the same, so a proper correlation cannot be formed in my opinion. I think you should delve more into the history of the Israel-Palestine conflict and how it has all led to what we are seeing today. I see so many different points of view from people that it becomes hard to keep up with what's actually going on. For example, someone has said that Israelis should not be considered "civilians" because they are complicit in the active act of oppression of Palestinians (which I don't necessarily agree with, but it's food for thought). As much as Hamas is a religious fundamentalist organization, the state of Israel is also such an organization that has already established its own state while subjugating the indigenous Palestinians. And while the Hamas attack is an inexcusable atrocity, so is the indiscriminate bombing of civilians in Gaza. The situation is actually a lot more complex - it's two religious fundamentalist organizations fighting while it's the civilians who pay the price, but here they are being used as a shield by both sides, not one. I don't have a clear view how this conflict could be resolved (if I did I would probably be a member of the UN board), but I think these intricacies must be discussed. Hence why I think you should dedicate a video just to delve into this.
Yes!!!
13:39 I don't think those claims of SA have been substantiated though. Of course saying that in a normal setting would be problematic, but those claims are used in this orientalist portrayal of Hamas and Palestinians more broadly: so October 7th is portrayed as a violent outburst from 'savages' (remind you of any other uprisings from colonised peoples?), rather than as an intricately planned, admittedly violent, strategic attack. The Israeli state has actually said it will not/has not carried out SA tests on bodies from Oct 7th. So the evidence simply is not there, and there is an incentive to make up claims.
13:46 I disagree. Take Al-Shifa Hospital as an example. Israel built it: there is some kind of basement (which Israel built) which does in fact have some practical use. Since the outbreak of the 'conflict', Israel repeatedly stated that it will launch an attack on the hospital as they claimed to believe that Hamas made their HQ in tunnels under the hospital. Every single member of the medical staff at Al-Shifa denied that. Israel then attacked and evacuated the hospital. The videos they released in which they attempted to prove that Hamas has been using it as a base were laughable: eg the laptop they claimed belonged to Hamas had a Hebrew keyboard and had an Israeli charger. Al-Shifa is placed quite strategically though (look at maps of IOF infantry advancements--they're trying to sever the north from the south, then encircle the north). Additionally, Al-Shifa was vital in updating the Palestinian death toll. Remember how every day it used to be quite precise? And now, it's hovering above 20,000 but the numbers vary depending on source?
Also, you can't blame Hamas for Israel purposefully blowing up civilians (eg. families of journalists)
Also, it seems that by 'liberalism', you're taking what the US claims to be its goals and ideals at face value. IMO the US' 'liberalism' was/is mainly about maintaining a hegemony on the global stage, so those 'common values' are more about getting other countries to adopt American values (so the US dictates values essentially.) Again it leads back to colonialism--would go into more detail but I've ran out of time today
13:25 same girl probably wouldn't hesitate to yell "mental trauma", when kidnapped children say they want to stay with their kidnapper, because he is nice
Great talk x i agree with you whole heartedly.
Yes, fantastic video, Kid❤ women in the western world all need to see this.
As a foreign person, I definitely know that a lot. Americans do not understand foreign policy, which is enacted by its government. And maybe that's because I've had good advice that were supported by said country that I live in now. So I've always followed for foreign policies in not just the United States but Middle East and Central America, and just globally. It all trickles down
I am so thankful to finally hear a voice of reason on this topic. I am an israeli and my country has been absolutely terrorized. I have always been left leaning with liberal ideals, and seeing these circles justify the rape, murder and torture of women and children left me totally disillusioned by the left. I dont think anyone who hasnt suffered terrorism can understand the utter sadism and extremism we are facing. The moral dilemmas soldiers and decision makers have to go through when facing a group who just wants to see as much death and destruction as possible. These past few days we had hostages released and their release was directed by hamas, you can hear armed terrorists telling them to smile and wave towards them, and then you have tiktokers believe these are good people that treated the hostages kindly. I saw a tiktoker that said that the tunnels hamas build was to transfer plastic chairs and not for terrorist attacks. I have not seen critical thinking at such a whole time low. Israelis who have faced this brutality firsthand feel like theyre going insane seeing the reception of the world, and the only conclusion we can draw from it is antisemitism, although we know it has to be more complex than that. Thank you for sharing your opinions and dissection of these issues. Hopefully these tiktokers will never have to face terrorism so they will come to understand the utter devestation they are endorsing.
The sad truth is that antisemitism comes natural to the left. All conspiracy theories about Jews are related to capitalism, which is what leftists hate more than anything.
And antisemitism is a part of Islam, so Muslims naturally embraced these foreign secular conspiracy theories and mixed them with Islamic antisemitism. But Islamic antisemitism is already really bad by itself.
The complex thing is the history of all of this, because it's so long and diverse. Antisemitism is a shape shifting Chameleon. But it is quite easy to understand. It's just horrible and unbelievable how dumb humans are.
Please don't let them get to you. Only God and his guidance matter
but how do you justify the disproportionate, constant attacks against palestine. men, women and SO MANY CHILDREN have been murdered by israel for things they have not done.
also i do understand the antisemitism part however when the majority of the world is on your side it doesnt really stand, there is also horrific amounts of islamophobia
@@portaldolphin13 there is no such thing as islamophobia. People are genuinely scared of Islam, because Islam is dangerous. All people in my country who are known for criticizing Islam, such as Hamed Abdel-Samad, have to live under 24/7 police protection.
Same in the Netherlands, Geert Wilders lives under 24/7 protection. On the other hand no famous Muslim lives under police protection. Islam actually gets people killed on a regular basis. We have many honor killings as well since Islamic migration. And most crime, such as rape, is committed by Muslims according to statistics and personal experience. It is terrifying. We have to be afraid because it is real.
@@portaldolphin13 Hamas is using the people as humans shields. Just watch what the Hamas interview in Lebanese TV. After the journalist asked him why they built 500km tunnels for themselves, but zero bunkers for the civilians, the Hamas guy responded that it is not their job to care for the people in Gaza. They don't care.
I love egyptian journalist Ibrahim Eissa's reaction to this interview. He dragged this terrorists and told Hamas to resign if they don't want to be a responsible government and protect their citizens. It looked like he truly cares. But I saw people on Twitter saying that this is not the opinion of most Egyptians. This is sad.
It’s a great analysis as always! Good job!
Excellent video. As always you somehow manage to trigger people and calmly explain things from an detached external view.
IMO, Modern Western, stable(ish) countries have been existing as close to "utopia" as will ever be possible for humanity. The reality is that maintaining even the mess we are currently privileged enough to live in is hard and complex and shifting and perpetually flawed, because people are complex and shifting and perpetually flawed. The idea of reaching a perfect harmonious and peaceful system is naïve. But I'm not saying we shouldn't constantly strive for making things better, because that struggle toward peace and harmony is exactly what keeps us in our imperfect "utopia." It's just that the struggle never stops. Perfection can never be obtained.
Why not just move to any Islamic country? I’m sure they would be happy to have these young Whyte American women, to be honored to treat them far better than the US ever could or would.
Time always flies with your video's!
Just wait until they read Teddy K's manifesto
That's old news and an old trend, probs on a smaller scale as it's a bit longer than Bin Laden's letter. There were aesthetic vids celebrating his ideas
windoon has apretty good video, and how much he was smart yeah, but also did really try find reasoons to hate and lash out on people, and did at work do lymericks how he threatens the woman that dated him prior?! He really is just mad stan from batman beyond, dangerous but not deep.
He actually makes sense
do you have a booklist or goodreads? im trying to look for books related to the topics you discuss in your videos
Sorry, the fact that the American military come with all these 'state appointed accoutrements and laws, does not make their actions right. Law often legitimises bad behaviour. I expect more from you.