A deep dive into western women's bizarre "awakening"
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- TIMESTAMPS -
0:00 What's happened on TikTok
4:19 INTRODUCTION
7:13 The "Awakening"
9:59 Defining "terrorism"
14:04 "The US is the villain" discourse
17:32 The modern nation-state explained
26:51 The "everything-is-a-lie" discourse
35:34 Islamic f*ndamentalism explained
42:11 The Red Pill
48:55 Dissecting OBL's rhetoric and ideals
55:02 The meaning of "existential warfare"
56:18 Revenge, Renown, and Reaction
1:02:58 The Existential Crisis of Gen-Z, Millennials, and OBL
1:08:38 Human shields
1:11:25 The "coloniser-colonised" discourse
1:13:11 The T*liban now and liberal contradictions
1:16:45 Why everything is more complex than it seems
1:19:18 "Self-determination" (for literate men, but nobody else)
1:20:42 CONCLUSION (Disconnection under identity politics)
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All primary references are sourced throughout the video
→ Full Louise Richardson paper - www.c-span.org/video/?194443-...
→ David Enoch guest essay in The Economist - www.economist.com/by-invitati...
→ A great breakdown and piece by The New Yorker's Nicholas Schmidle on what happened in Abbottabad - www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...
→ Dr David Zeidan's paper on Islamic F*ndamentalism - ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/olj/...
→ Amnesty International's mapping of violence in Afghanistan under the T_liban - acleddata.com/2023/08/11/two-...
→ Excerpts from John Miller's article and interview of B_n Laden published in 1999 - www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl....
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I agree with way more of this video then I'd have guessed after you said you watch Al-Jazeera all day. Westphalia was an implicitly antisemitic treaty, if you plug that into your logic you'll REALLY start to get it. That and Hajj-Amin Al Husenni.
There is so much you missed about this story
@@victorybeginsinthegardenYou can always create your OWN content and then you can rest assured that nothing you care about was missed, ma’am.
@@nomihagan I have a right to comment on a video and give critique. Did you know that we trained bin laden gave him billions of dollars and helped him build his army? That was never mentioned in this video. We helped create this monster. Please respond.
OMG when I saw the Thumbnail with Lynette I just clicked immediately…. I think she’s becoming a little bit extremist and I wanted to know your thoughts thank you so much!
I can’t imagine being a woman or girl in Afghanistan and seeing free western women make excuses for the ideology that makes your life a living hell
Ya.....destroying the country allowed the warlords to take over causing infinitely more suffering. Also as Hillary Clinton herself admitted USA created the taliban which evolved out of the Mujahadeen.
I'm sure some of them are just equally supporting the Patri again and their society as some support. This patriarchy in our society or the toxic parts there are always mammies
Not to mention you are part of the society you're in, so you start to ingest these ideology To some people that is the only life they know, so yours could only be wrong
Over 90% of People in Afghanistan wanted the Sharia...
@@cvzdezsay what
And that's the problem - it takes 90 minutes of learning and understanding deep and hard topics in order to counter 90 seconds of TikTok. This is why bad ideas spread much faster. We are doomed.
Good ideas spread fast that way too. Social media and the internet in general, it's like fire, or blades. Potentially extremely dangerous, but so useful nobody in their right mind would go back to before we had them.
@@audreymuzingo933 Exactly, as fast as bad ideas spread, counter ideas that completely cancels the ideas before them spread just as fast. That's why it feels like if you miss a week in tiktok it feels like you've missed a decade of trends and anti-trends. Just like how ppl got obsessed with OBL fast because they lack further details, counter ideas like kidology's take here will spread just as fast, you just wait and see.
I personally think it's a big mistake to associate OBL, and Hamas with the Palestinian cause. That is one thing I hated about kidology's video.
It's not 90 seconds of TikTok, it's 12 years of state-sponsored "education" that pops out 18-year-olds with 0 wisdom or critical thinking ability. If schools had done their job, no amount of propaganda produced by 3rd world illiterates would make our youth budge. The DOE and the academia are single-handedly swinging the pendulum of wisdom back into the pre-Enlightenment era, and nobody cares. THAT, is why we're doomed.
Don't talk yourself into submission! Carry your knowledge with and spread what you can, plant as many seeds as you can and you can start a rebirth!
No she literally avoided the full context of the tik toks and now her audience is patting themselves on the back criticizing tik tokers for what they’re talking about. It’s not about Osama Bin Ladin. They’re waking up to the reality of Israel. In no uncertain terms Isreal has openly said that the goal is genocide. She never touches that part of the conversation. She then justifies it and says it’s just what nation states do. That’s bs and I’m so disappointed in her. I’ve been giving her the benefit of the doubt for a while but she’s definitely running defense for the right like Jordan Peterson before he went mask off.
I feel like I’m living in a Conservatives’ nightmare about what liberalism is at this point.
Everyone has gone utterly insane
lol and yes everyone has. We need another asteroid
@@joevaghn457 lool unfortunately it does feel that way.
We apparently have solar storms around 2025, so perhaps similar concept
Welcome to my world 😂
Dude, it’s not liberalism. There’s few if any enlightenment values to be found in these TikTok’s
I love that for us.
Some of these people will some day read "Mein Kampf", and I don't even want to think about those tiktoks we'll see.
They may find the page count too intimidating.
omg thanks for making me laugh today @@chanchanc682
Don't worry they'll only scan enough of it to post a 30 second video.
Oh their jaws will be drawped and their minds so blown by reading Mein Kampf
@@The24thWightgood one.
TikToker: "OMG we've been duped by propaganda!"
*Saying this by being duped by another flavour of propaganda*
Honestly this is why we need good friends. You’re supposed to explore these ideas with them PRIVATELY so that you don’t lead people down a path without being qualified. Which goes for almost all of the internet. I’m a year away from leaving America with a backpack and a flip phone. Fuck this
Honestly I understand wanting to move out 😭😭 Europe isn't perfect in my experience but the education system somewhat encourages media/political literacy. Even if some individual techers/professors/politicians still lack it... Aside from more accessible education, we also need more third places to meet ppl and discuss ideas to avoid being chronically online
I think we need to just ignore the opinions of women under the age of 23. And before people call me sexist ignore men’s opinions under the age of 27.
😂😂
*western women under the age of 23. And I’d maybe even bump that age up to 25.
😂😂
Western men and women under 28
The brain doesn’t finish maturing until around 25. I look at myself in my late teens/early 20’s and even though I was an adult I truly knew nothing but had the confidence as if I did because social media and modern parenting/schooling encourages praising kids and never questioning or discouraging them from any actions or ideas. And it’s getting worse for kids every year because they’re even more online and exposed to fake news and polarizing insane opinions on Twitter. It’s just unchecked narcissism, mental illness, a lack of actually reading and educating ourselves, a lack of critical thinking, and immaturity. All of this festering online to become more toxic, irrational, and removed from reality.
I'm American and part of Gen Z, and I was not shocked or moved by the letter, so it makes me think about the differences millennials may have had in their education growing up. I wonder if millennials were taught less about the history of terrorism and the Middle East and that's why they feel lied to. In my geopolitical and history courses, my teachers were honest about the ways that Britain, the US, and other Western countries have contributed to the growth of terrorist organizations. We had nuanced discussions about the complicated decisions that the US had to make after 9/11 and were challenged to think about when the War on Terror has been justified and when it hasn't been. Maybe these TikTokers and millennials at large did not have this kind of curriculum in their K-12 classrooms and instead were only fed patriotic pro-War-on-Terror propaganda in the aftermath of 9/11, which is why they are having such a crisis after reading the letter. In my opinion, you can hold both criticism or even condemnation of your own government and the condemnation of those opposed to it, especially when they're literal terrorists and murderers. I'm right there with you in the middle ground when it comes to foreign politics and I think it's good to take it by a case-by-case basis.
in my opinion, social media lead to idiocracy. A lot of brainless emotions.
I'm 28 so a millennial and definitely feel lied to and propagandized. I haven't read the letter yet, but just over the past few years have done so much unlearning and relearning when it comes to US history and politics. It's super jarring.
I don't think it has to do with generations. I am firmly a millennial...34. I think class and regional culture are a part of the surprise. For example, people saying they feel lied to. Many millennials were old enough to critically think and do their own research about the war on terror. They likely spent their time on Aol instant messenger or livejournal instead. I was 12 when the world trade center fell. The internet was alive and well. I am from southern california, middle class, with grandparents that are academics and political radicals/exiles. This letter is not new to me, I would not believe it to be new to anyone I went to school with. This current phenomena is surprising to me, because terrorism, the war on terror and breaking down the news at that time were regular parts of my curriculum. I mean, watching the clips in this video causes me pause. There is one tiktoker who clearly doesn't know the difference between Sadam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden(Osama was not a dictator). I have to remember that my experience and what I learned in school is not likely close to what the average person experienced and learned. In part because of my personal background, but growing up in a seemingly liberal state, in a median tax bracket school district as well.
@@thebitterprojector Yeah, region and quality of education are probably big contributors. I thought it might be a generational thing since I figured the strongest propaganda would be in the years immediately following 9/11. I'm not gonna lie, though it doesn't seem like there are major class differences in the creators talking about this. From what I have seen from their other content, it seems like most of these creators are middle and upper-class.
@@tracer4322 I think the seeming of things can be misleading. For example, the influencer who has a large apartment and rents someone else's tesla on touro - they are clearly making poor financial choices. But they are conflating "living in abundance" and "faking it til you make it." That type of decision-making would say to me that this person did not grow up in a home where financial literacy was a topic. How people decide to portray their lifestyle after they grow up, isn't necessarily how they grew up or what their lifestyle actually is. Also, the structure of their argument-making doesn't read for the schooling of that time. Even my education had a strong emphasis on "teaching to the test," which at my schools meant CollegeBoard exams like the SATs and AP exams. Proper argument structure was drilled into us. It might be the conversational aspect of the internet, but their arguments poke holes in themselves and often get lost in conflated ideas. So I wouldn't expect these people to have private school or high tax bracket public school educations. Things like mixing up Sadam Hussein and Osama, and comparing militaristic violence to terrorism while they speak to a lack of education, they also speak to a lack of personal research and critical thinking. Regionally, not learning or looking into these things clearly wasn't a priority where these people grew up, which I can say isn't true of my millennial upbringing. Several of the people I grew up with heard about 9/11 in real time because we all had satellite tv service which had east coast news stations standard with regional news stations. In school we watched translations of videos of Osama and discussed them. We talked about the Soviet-Afghan conflict which people claim led to the climate which allowed 9/11 to happen. In the larger war on terror we heard arguments against the documents that supposedly reported wmds in Iraq. before the invasion. So I know that there are millennials who were not "lied to" and everything I've been told is clearly different than everything these influencers have been told. When I try to think of why that is, I do what I usually do and point to my silly coastal elite privilege.
It's not just the younger generations. People are taught what to think....not how to think. It's very sad we lack any nuance in forming opinions.
I got so distracted by seeing Mia, all I could think about was that she had completely lost it. It really is insane how we went from defending people's right to live as they see fit to repeating the propaganda fed to suicide bombers and the like.
I was wondering why she seemed so familiar
Trying to understand why crime is committed isn't succumbing to propaganda. I dont think the tiktok girls were that stupid.
@@bratwurstmitbiryani??? This is wild, we can condemn and critique the actions of the US and Western states without glorifying terrorists? Should we take the letters of Charles Manson seriously? Say he perhaps had a point? Should we try to understand where he was coming from? It’s gross to see people glorifying terrible human beings… there are so many others who criticize and critique the west and don’t kill innocent people? Amplifying their voices would probably be a better use of influence and lead to a better discussion… right message wrong messenger.
no we shouldn't. But the voices of reason you've mentioned got annihilated by the likes of US/Israel. This is a reality too. Because they knew they should not fear some parochial suicidal lunatics who don't speak to every man - they should fear precisely the educated and thus truly POWERFUL voices of reason and love coming from people who were ready to lead in those countries and had a lot of credibility for everyone: religious, liberal, secular groups. That is the problem now. Look at Iran, Afghanistan in the 1970s. Who supported the overthrow of those govenernments. @@katnap7157 The United States was so obsessed to block the spread of "socialism" that they encouraged nationalist parties in these countries or even extremists (who yes! persecuted the Jewish population) to kill every opposition of such sorts. Socialism in the middle east needed to be an impossibility cuz the world needed oil & USA uber alles smh smh. Contrary to the saying it's much easier to negociate with terrorists than with leaders who really care for the good and wealth of their nation.
@@bratwurstmitbiryaniwhy is nobody seriously trying to understand why Hitler did what he did?
4:20 I'm sorry but that's a TERRIBLE argument imho. That argument is equal to justifying the horrific war crimes of the nyahtzee regime.
Governments act as terroristic entities against other countries all the time. The fact that the military is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity because their gov told them so actually doesn't justify those actions, and as the nyahtzees have discovered even decades later you can and will be punished and convicted for those crimes, and everybody will see the punishment as just, because we've determined that "because my government told me so" is not a justification.
Likewise, if ones government is poisonous or corrupt, they will call any group acting against them or their desires a terrorists group regardless of how pure or justifiable the behavior, and also no matter how objectively terroristic the government desires and orders truly are.
Excellent comment. Zandile is misguided. Legitimacy doesn’t equal moral high ground.
I agree entirely. The US government has committed so many atrocities, many considered illegal. The idea that the US Militarily has never overstepped the boundaries it claims to be under is ludicrous
Why are you writing it like that. Just say Nazi. You can write it like that.
I’m amazed these TikTok generations actually have the focus to read a letter from anybody. Read one letter and they are now foreign policy experts. Simplistic and nieve is an understatement.
to be fair older generations are not much better, its just been on a downward trend from new segments, to articles on the web, to reddit posts, to tiktok
What happened building 7?
the 'trend' was really quite small, not enough to define an entire generation. in fact, a lot of Gen Zers seem to me (and I'm biased, as a Gen Zer lol) to pull up to arguments and debates with actual evidence. older folks I talk to generally seem to skim headlines on facebook and base entire viewpoints on those.
Tbf its only 2 pages
@@sanpellegrinolimonatadude you see people of all ages spoonfeed themselves news
That first woman, i cant remenber her name, was ran off the internet for being a pathological liar so i dont think her insight has much value.
Secondly, my conservative family asked me about this letter and thankfully i explained that this opinion is a SMALLLLLLL segment of progressives and most of us are going "What the hell is wrong with you?"
Additionally: i feel like progressives are so committed to being anti-american, that anything that actually is anti-american MUST be justified when in actuality, these radical groups (in this case radical islamic extremists) are vehemently anti everything the progressives stand for. Like, these groups actively suppress women by limiting their education, divorce is not an option for women, women are FORCED to wear full niqabs, gays are thrown off buildings, innocent people are brutally killed. Like...you do realize that youre blue-haired, ultra feminist, queer american stance would result in you being killed, like YALL WE UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT
Reading the letter is very important, and learning about the perspectives of other nations and groups, but lets not completely negate the fact he brutally killed people.
What’s wild to me is that there are so many better people who critique the US/West whose voices these influencers could have chosen to amplify and somehow…. They chose a terrorist? They chose to amplify the voice of someone responsible for many deaths and pain. The lack of nuance and thought from these influencers is painful. They could really benefit from enrolling in an introduction to politics or human rights course at their local college instead of hopping on TikTok
Wonder if any of these pple would hold these views if their family members had been in those towers on 9/11 smh. Also I’m against the wars and coups and international instability waged by the US globally… but also I’m not going to sit here and cheer on or make excuses for a terrorist that was also responsible for death and suffering. These kids forget that the US isn’t the only imperial power in the world or in history.
I think the issue is partly down to the fact that a lot of modern women have no sense of self-preservation and are happy to support policies that are actively in opposition to themselves, I.e. whatever the fuck is going on here. I definitely get the sense that despite calling themselves feminists, the rights of women are secondary or even tertiary to their primary goal, which is to appear to be Progressive and Woke. Or maybe deep down they do support the patriarchy…
I really love it when bourgeoisie brats who think it's stressful to express opinions in their pyjamas with a cuppa after pressing a button on their super-computer think they're the natural allies and great mates of extremely violent sociopaths.
This comment is amazing.
I never thought I'd ever want to frame a RUclips comment and put it on a wall somewhere before but. . . here we are.
@@wormwoodcocktail amazingly condescending. This comment section is full of it.
@@SmallBobby Condescending doesn’t mean wrong.
@@SmallBobbynot an argument
I want to push back against the notion that states cannot be of a terrorist nature. The current acts of terror on the people of Gaza are an obvious example of terroristic violence perpetrated by a state. Same goes for systemic war crimes by Russia in Ukraine, or for Crimes against Humanity by the Nigerian army in territories with Boko Haram activity. The US has also engaged in acts of terroristic violence, such as the fire bombings of the second world war, the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima ans Nagasaki, or the indiscriminate bombing of Laos -a neutral nation - during the Vietnam war. I feel I don't even have to mention the many acts of state terrorism engaged in by Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany. Hope the point is clear: States and militaries can absolutely engage in terrorism directly and purposely.
exactly. she fucking forgets
That's a really great point, in Afghanistan also the Taleban took over the government. In South America the democratically chosen governments were violently overthrown by US-backed far right groups.
@@rachelforshee6014they bombed 11000 children and refused negotiations. Worse case Hamas lied and you start again. At least you have the hostages but then they can’t keep bombing. This is about being opportunistic and seizing more land and that’s what Hamas wants because then maybe people will see. This isn’t new. This has been happening since before October 7. It just got worse
Seconded.
@@kellynaz9256no she didnt,
I used to fear that I might be missing out by never dowloading tik tok due to my phone being too shitty to support the app. But I now realise how blessed I am. I might be broke and socially isolated but I will never have brains so scrambled by an app I start fangirling after BIN LADEN.
Monthy pyton world lmao
If you haven't downloaded tik tok by now you are a strong soul, stay strong. I refuse to download it.
I started this video and way like WTF am I listening too. Clearly these people didn’t live through 911 America. I was 11 when it happened and the havoc it wrecked on the heart of America is/was insane. I’m not an American militarist by any means but cmon the comparisons in those tiktoks were insanity.
I was barely a kid during this time so I hardly remember but I do remember a lot of the aftermath. Especially how mentally devastated people were. A lot of the younger generations don't realize how great of a depression it inflicted on our country.@@Unkuuu
You and me both.
i am overwhelmed
Kid, your videos are those I routinely view. You are a true intellectual, not some faux pseudo. I may not agree with EVERYTHING you say, but even those times I half agree with you . We need more brilliant people like you and you keep RUclips genuine
This. She’s cool AF.
Absolutely, everything she says are well thought out and researched if she were an author or wrote think pieces I would buy and read everything. She doesn’t push her own narrative to hard the points I disagree with encourage me to look more into the matter to make up my own mind, I love her
Hard agree 🟢
Mhhh
I agree 🤙
I wonder if these kids would seek out knowledge if there wasn't a site you could spend 60 secs saying whatever popped into your head at the time and make a thousand bucks posting it.
Doesn’t mean they’re wrong. People are purposely misinterpreting and cutting out the context of them reading the letter. Instead they’d rather bury their heads in the ground and go with what imperial powers say and not what every humanitarian watchdog is saying. Propaganda is so strong, you see a random black woman who speaks well and omits key facts and contexts agreeing with your worldview and you just eat the propaganda. She starts the video with, terrorism is only when I say it’s terrorism and it’s not me doing it. Then the this is normal, stop freaking out
Hey, one of them was on point at least even if it was simplistic.
The one who said that it just said her realise that osama was in alot of ways the product of US imperialism( she didnt say it in thease words, im paraphrasing)
The rest of them tho, didnt really think about anything on the matter, they basidally did the same thing as people who defend Us imperialism do, but only for binladen
Have a good day
34:08 another one which i think is a good example of someone who potencially has something good to offerx even tho she uses this wierd spiritual language, and oversimplifies things, but the important this is that beofre the timestamp, she said " have a conversation with people and learn more about thease things"
Which is basicaly her point i think.
And i think that aspect of it is wonderful.
I think that potencially she is so far in the clip a gateway towards the left for people who dont understand thease things much but who would have is they were thought.
For all this talk about others beeing smug..we should also realise our own smugness when it comes to not only thease people on tiktok but the people watching them wjo aguree with them.
Everyone has their own journey, and we cant expect perfection if a person is at the begining of finding thease thinsg out.
And if we then gatekeep and make oposition, we might just deterr them from figuring shit out.
Educate, but realise when you are beeing smug as well.
Besides their very mistaken opinion that binladen had a good reason for killing, since there is no good reason for killing.
Besides that, the rest of their opinions are not even controversial i would say.
Honestly, i dont like defending media figures, so for tje sake of the people agureeing with them i think we can be more educational and more explanatory then straight up judgemental( even when people do diserve judgement) because if they read judgement they will only potencially get shame, but if they read an opinion or information on how they are wrong, then they can potencially understand what the problem is.
@@MalkuthEmperori definitely appreciate that perspective. I mostly agree with you about the one you timestampped, but there was more context than only what she said in that video. I understand they're just kids and still learning. However, i remain unconvinced tiktok has any positive role to play. It's just making it harder for the children.
Kid, I saw your interview on Trig. I really commend you for thinking independently and advocating for doing your own actual research. Not listening to talking heads or trends. The world would be a saner place if more took your approach. I thank you for creating this channel and for sharing your thoughts with us!
I’m wondering if any of these Americans, not just Americans who recently discovered “bin Laden‘s letter to America” and anyone who lives in the Western World, have listened to Eisenhower’s speech on the military-industrial complex from 1961 - just out of curiosity.
I’m going to lean towards probably not.
I’ve read the Eisenhower letter but not bin Laden’s ironically enough.
Those who’s personality is only driven by empathy and self-hatred will inevitably find their personal ideology flitting between whichever sympathetic and emotive voices they stumble across. They’ve done so little reading and critical thinking that their opinion is just whoever’s voice reaches them most consistently
That was his farewell address to the nation and what an important address it was. Forgotten in about four years! (Vietnam!)
This is why I think this Bin Laden trend is either a troll or the product of intense illiteracy - there have been multiple voices critiquing American- style imperialism/ Military engagement for DECADES with some of these voices being actual elected officials who are household names.
It’s pretty famous, they mention it at least once in most basic US history classes. They don’t go in depth, but they mention the main points.
However, I do think it’s pretty overblown. Yeah, the military is huge and has a big influence over US policy, but it’s certainly not the only thing in that category. The oil and fruit trades, overseas manufacturing, etc. It may be scary if we were spending that much on just the ability to kill people, but we’re not. The companies we give the money to are mostly american, their workers are american, and therefore the taxes they pay are to the american government. We use the military like direct investment that also happens to give us the ability to control the world, not the other way around.
9:09 Total war was practiced by the Japanese in the second world war as well. They had high schools converted into factories, and even had teenagers working as nurses for the war effort on at least one occassion. Total war is horrific, but it's not as new as you might think. 💔
i think arguing in favor of middle ground positions as an antidote to false dichotomies doesnt make sense because being in the middle implies you are between two oppositional sides. thats why i think valuing centrism by itself locks you into a dichotomous framework. like i think your perspective is better described as just a third perspective rather than one point on a continuum.
this.
I disagree with the idea of the 'middle ground' as the golden mean, its a position, there can be more than 2 positions, but the middle position isn't the superior one by default.
I think Integralism is a much better framework: look at what the multiple sides are saying, learn why they are saying it, figure out what is true/what is false, evaluate arguments based on what is real, and then make a policy proposal.
You damn right, a big reason for pointless discourse is that people think the argument only really has two directions of varying degrees. How can you agree with someone else when it means going the opposite direction of what you believe?
You really think that a person describing themself as "in the middle" somehow becomes locked into binary thinking? How would that actually work in reality? If someone offered them a third perspective would they have to say: "nope, sorry I'm only able to consider two points of view because I self-identify as 'in the middle'."
The oldest of the younger people are finally growing into their frontal cortex’s. These gals are, what, all in their early-mid 20s. It’s normal to suddenly come to realizations about your world views at this stage of development. What’s different is, the context of their upbringing was divorced from the realities of the lived-experiences of events like 9/11, the unibomber, all the things. They either weren’t born, or were too young to personally feel the terror or witness the consequences of the violence.
It’s normal to have a period of time where you suddenly experience empathy for perpetrators of horrendous crimes. I think that’s a marker of adult maturity. However, like all cookies that crumble, none repeat exactly the same way. And thus, you have some young people picking up the wrong conclusions and running ALONG with the perpetrators narratives! Why? Because they don’t know wth they’re talking about yet 😅. They’re still growing and figuring stuff out.
Dialogue is good. A ton of rigorous and diverse research as well as travel should be encouraged for young people today. ❤
This is a really good point, and as someone who’s almost 26 I can confirm - the way my brain has changed over the last few years is akin to that thing when you hit puberty and suddenly feel extremely profound for awhile because your brain can finally have a complex thought.
This is utter crap man, the only reason these girls and guys are having their worlds shattered is cause of lack of education. They have simply been let down by their families and education systems. They were never exposed to the perspectives of people who the US has harmed with its foreign policy.
I am a politics nerd, and I have been since I was about 12, so in the same way other people may know everything about the ninja turtles or something, I could tell you the underlying causes and impacts of the vietnam war. I had this realization that american foreign policy wasn’t always the best around the time I was 13 during my Green Day phase. And I am no genius, so if 13 year old me can come to that realization in a conservative household then it has nothing to do with being 23.
What happened building 7? Why were M O S S A D agents dancing and recording the collapse of the twin towers?.....
@@blucantrell2 you’re not wrong to ask these questions. But how do you fix problems? Turn over the table and walk away? Bad actors must be rooted out and replaced by people who have virtues and will to serve others for a better world for all. The problem of evil is very real. Insidious. And a hard problem. Thank you for your comment. Keep reading and exploring and talking with others.
Absolutely agree. I'm 25, and to think how much I've personally grown and matured in the past 7 years since I was a freshman in uni is insane. Like you, I think that research is important to allow us to change our minds and even reflect on how much it's changed. But the truth is that researching and reading takes up a lot of time and effort, and the vast majority of people aren't willing to do that. So we end up stuck with a bunch of people with little to no life experience out in the real world who think they are specialists in extremely complex issues.
I have a BA in International Relations, and graduated back in 2020 with, ironically, a dissertation about the normalising ties between Israel and the Arab countries and how that could affect the two-State solution going forward. As a result, I had to read pretty much everything I could find on the Middle East's history since the early 1900s to understand what's going on now - and I have to say that I was far more empathetic to the Palestinian plight before I read about it in-depth and saw how the PLO and other organizations managed to stir up trouble everywhere they went. It's hard to feel sorry for a people ungrateful enough they're willing to commit terror attacks against people in countries who offered them refuge - not just in the Middle East, but around the world. Many of them aren't interested in solving the problem, they just want to bring it with them everywhere they go and make it everyone else's issue to solve. That's why I feel empathy for the civilians who legitimately don't agree with terror acts, but it's nearly impossible to tell them apart from the "civilians" who don't commit terror acts themselves, but endorse and celebrate when they happen. I mean, there's a good reason why the far-right seems to be getting stronger in a lot of Western countries again, and people like these tiktokers are one of the reasons for it.
Thank you so much for this. As someone who specialized in rhetoric/critical theory/etc in university, I'm so frustrated by much of what comes out of TikTok, and I wish that all people who put media in the world cared about sharing their ideas with the level of nuance you've exhibited here (and in your other videos too). We really do have to do better and not jump on board with people who are young and impressionable and speaking from an oversimplified, incorrect, naive, under-read worldview.
Despite the letter’s controversial and obviously antisemitic content, think that the reason why the letter suddenly blew up on tiktok isn’t because people love Bin Laden or Islamism, rather people learning about Bin Ladens intentions for orchestrating 9/11 and that it didn’t just happen because he hated Americans for no reason, there was a actual reason behind it just like in any other conflict. People are suddenly realising that 9/11 was the result of years of American interventionism and imperialism, which the letter discusses. This kinda fits the sudden rise of anti imperialism in leftist movements, which could also be taken in a wrong way due to the letters antisemitic content and the current conflict in Israel and Palestine.
Yeah but people have been talking about 9/11 as an inevitable result of US foreign policy for DECADES - Its kind of odd that a self proclaimed anti-imperialist would be finding out about this critique JUST NOW and that they also are also somehow clueless about: Bin Laden's connection to the Saudi Royal family (US Allies), the fact that the Bin Laden Family are LANDLORDS, and US support of the Mujahideen (aka the predecessors to both the Taliban and Al-Qaeda). Note that these critiques have come out of the mouths of many westerners some of which are elected officials (Bernie Sanders). It's as if they missed the fact that there was an entire anti war movent in the Bush era.
It's just fucking depressing that a huge chunk of people apparently thought that Bin Laden just woke up one nice, crisp 9/11 morning, feeling a particular way about America, and did what he did. Are your people fucking zombies or what.
@@redmaple1982actually true. Wait till the leftist kids who like bin Laden now find out he’s a nepo baby!
but that have been said for the longest, it wasn't a secret. These Tik-tokers are treating it like the info was hidden and this furthering this whole notion that America is always hiding something.
You're both wrong. Islam is the cause behind this terrorism because Islam has been a evil and terroristic religion from its beginning.
if you would have told me that *progressive women simping for Bin Laden* would be on my 2023 bingo card, I would have never believed you lol
??? How do we know they’re progressive? Also, this was like a few tiktokers, I don’t understand why everyone is losing their minds over bad internet takes.
@@Sarah-re7cg Ma’am, it’s mostly pro-Palestine progressives making these videos. Conservatives are not.
@@Sarah-re7cg oh and the reason people are reacting is those same few videos went insane viral; why do you take issue with people calling out progressive mistakes?
There also seems to be some overlap between Islamic radicalism and the red pill. I’ve seen complaints that many conservative millennial and Gen Z Muslim men in Europe are becoming Andrew Tate fans. Even the Taliban seems to feel emasculated, and feminism isn’t exactly thriving in Afghanistan
Yep. Tate even converted to Islam. It’s been a /pol/ meme for years that “Islam is only right about Jews and women”.
Absolutely, Tate loves a religion that openly states you can beat your wife and that women should obey them.
He said part of the reason he went to Islam specifically was the culture was strong, and specified people don't make fun of Islam as they fear it unlike Christianity.
@@cdo...49283 Yeah, it’s almost as if Tate is a gross fish-mouthed loser who pimps out women and has sex with dudes.
The Redpill idolizes the fruits of Islamic fundamentalism - "White Sharia" was also a semi serious ideal of a lot of alt-right spaces who have some redpill overlap.
Pro-Palestinians and Andrew Tate are saying the same things.
If you go far enough in an extreme, you loop back.
Americans when they learn that colonialism breeds contempt for the colonial power among the colonised: 😮😮😮😮
bro can you rephrase what you mean, I’m sorry. I’m not native so sometimes I have difficulties comprehending certain sentences 🥲
@@cherrriASMR oh, thanks for explaining it :)
It’s beyond just colonialism, people just want power. Colonialism or not there’s always going to be conflict over power at every scale of human existence.
@@LalapizzleAnd…..it’s COLONIALISM. End of story. Sorry you can’t accept reality because it makes you feel yucky and guilty.
Who did America colonize exactly related to Osama Bin Laden? Please, explain.
I feel this so much with communism. Milions of people had suffered, including my familly, and yet some kids in their cozy western chairs are saying like its tghe best thing ever.
These tiktoks all do one thing - direct you to engage in their comments. I think this is people hopping on a trend rather than people who actually read the letter (or possibly read anything ever). Notice they don't actually have anything to say about the contents of said letter - such as the homophobia. Just gross people greedy for engagement.
Easily one of the most articulate and informed videos you have ever made. It's really great seeing you use your education to create amazing videos.
16:55 As a french guy... this baffles me... We, by the intermediate of our prime minister at that time Dominique de Villepin, told you that it was wrong, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, that there were no WMD. And a lot of other countries told you so. And now this lady is like "Oh my God maybe the war in Iraq was wrong ! *surpise pikachu face* "...
The fact that some people are "awakened" by an old letter from a disgusting person is perplexing (to say the least). They seem to only react to what's trendy. They have no counscious about the past, History or cause and effect.
And what baffles me the most is that they should at least have some semblance of patriotism and defend their country as much as criticizing it. But nope, one day they're like "MURICA FUCK YEAH!", and the next day "Oh my God! We are the vilains!!!"... What about you're neither of those things? You know, again, cause and effect, context, History, etc.
And I say that as someone who considers at this point in time America as an ennemy of France. But if I were american, I would defend the country wich permits me to live in confort. I would criticize it, yes, but I would also aknowledge that the world is full of potential ennemies and that most countries are at war against each other. You shouldn't saw off the branch you are sitting on.
Sorry for my rant but I just can't stand people oblivious to the outside world.
Hi, just curious, why do you view America as an enemy of France
@@britneyt9253 Mainly because France is a vassal of the USA. We are not a sovereign country anymore. We are dependant on Germany on a political level, Germany is the unofficial leader of the EU, the EU is the doormat of the USA.
For example, the USA is ripping Europe via the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership. Wich is not a partnership at all, it's a way for the USA to conquer the european market. In term, this means that european countries will lose more and more independance because of the economic dependance towards the USA. And wars have begun for less.
Why do you think there is a war in Ukraine right now? Because the USA and Russia try to conquer a market. Russia wants more land for agriculture and bigger frontiers angainst NATO. The USA before the beginning of this war corrupted urkainian politicians and their justice system. There were talks about economical partnerships between Ukraine and the USA. Again, this is how the USA take hold of a country. They buy it.
Another example is how the USA is planning to build nuclear plants in Europe. Why them instead of another country (for example France)? Because the EU prevent their members to do so... So the USA comes and say "hey! We can do it!"... Wich means, again that countries will rely on american technology and be on the long run dependant of the USA. This is in big part because of Germany who is anti-nuclear officially for ecological reasons, but the truth is that they don't want France to use their nuclear technology to gain power. So they prefer to sell Europe to the USA and stay on top of France, again for political reasons.
So, no, the USA is not the friend of France. The motto of the USA could be "Buy our stuff... or else...". It's always the same story. It's either be dependant on american economy or be an ennemy of the USA. Wich to me is the same. Hence why I say the USA is the ennemy of France.
@@britneyt9253 i wanted to ask the same thing
@@britneyt9253I’m not an American or European but I think it's because of the perversion and destruction of European cultures and trying to turn them into melting pots like the US. Now Europe’s demographic is changing and so does its culture. Embrace yourself for another dark age.
Why is France out enemy? We love France
I find it quite unbecoming of Kidology thinking that the US actually follows any of the wartime laws they made
Welcome to Middle east to learn who followed war laws and does not. Lol
@@menthol1234 I am middle eastern
Tiktokers learning about the motivations of Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda is not a bad thing. They aren't calling for violence. What they are doing is educating themselves about the complicated nature of geopolitcs.
For instance, the South African ANC party that overthrew the Apartheid state was once considered a terrorist organization and they did kill civilians just like Al-Qaeda. Mandela was on a terrorist watchlist until 2008.
exactly. reading something doesn't equate to supporting all of the views it details. if anything it broadens your perspective
The ANC didn't target civilians or human life. Important point of accuracy. Other more radical movements like the PAC and later AZAPO had a different tactic. That said, the argument is still useful
Except for the fact that tiktokers aren't simply learning about the motivations. They're reading a screed that includes blaming the Jews within the first paragraph and are saying "Wow, I love Bin Laden! They lied to us about him!" just completely brushing over the genocidal, misogynistic, Islamic colonialist sh*t they just read. THAT is dangerous and that IS a problem.
@@sanpellegrinolimonata no offense but this is cope.
@@MegaDiva1999Wrong the ANC did target black south africans.
59:53 That’s an awful lot of mental gymnastics you have to perform to not hold Israel responsible for over 14000 deaths.
Can you explain to me why Hamas is able to count the deaths so quickly and tell how many died the same day? Israel needed several days to count the deaths from 10/7 and they are still searching for bodies.
@@pikapi6993 This is the count given by several humanitarian charities working on the ground.
@@imjustvisiting5397 this is totally unbelievable. How are they supposed to be able to do so? Israel, powerful Israel, with their advanced everything, drones etc., has trouble to count about 1500 dead bodies. But primitive Gaza is able to count 14000 deaths the day it happened? Total BS
Many catastrophies world wide happen, and they can never tell you the same day how many people died, unless only a few died. If thousands died, it takes them several days. Hamas tells the world after a few minutes. Like the "hospital bombing" that was infact a parking lot bombing and failed missile of islamic jihad. Hamas government immediately told the world that 500 people died. When did they count them? Nothing makes sense there. And the fotos prove that far less than 500 died, because the rocket didn't cause much. Even the cars' windows stayed intact
I'm always awestruck by how well you put into words what I'm feeling at the moment. At the end you say how predominantly brown women have been falling victim to this narrative of "i'm such a poor colonised warrior" by Osama (and to some extent liberal White women too). It's very similar to something we have been experiencing a lot as Exmuslims. especially Exmuslim women living in predominantly Islamic country by Muslims who live in the West: this sense of faux-enlightenment which is thinly-veiled superiority complex that they feel by simping/caping for the underdog, in this case Islamic religion. So a lot of necessary criticisms, be it of Islam, Taliban or even Hamas gets swept under "you're racist", "your brain is under the influence of whiteness" and so on. It rings similar to your points on the last video about breadtube: privileged black americans who are out of touch from working class black americans and even people from the African continent.
it's very strange to me how people who are from a relatively wealthy background in the US see fit to speak about their experience as a Muslim and their treatment of any group in the US as being a universal standard for how Muslims act. I can understand it in the sense of wanting to make Islam seem more approachable to a western audience, but I cannot for one moment believe that a persons experience or beliefs from growing up in Texas as a Muslim is the indicative of person growing up in any majority Islamic country.
@@jajordan2106EXACTLY
I just watched this over on Britney Simons video. It sparked such an interesting discussion. This video is great and I look forward to trying out some of your other content xx
I came here from another video, so I might be seen by you, Kidology. I really appreciate your respect for each discussion. Too many people will discuss topics on the ground that the people they disagree with are bad and that they are good, but you show sympathy while also not weakening your own stance. Please keep it up.
Glad that people are taking a deeper dive into the whole Gaza thing rather than falling into the easy trap of polarizing to one side or the other. Sadly, a lot of people have made up their minds about things and see any other thought as a threat and people with bigger picture ideas as an instant enemy
Kidology's is so gorgeous. I'm straight up in love with your face and am totally into this parasocial relationship.
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Me too. She is so intelligent.
@@ingweking8748 beyond that, she's fuqin sexy AF IDGAF.
Bless you, it would be so interesting to know you, you are such a thoughtful commentator! I turn to your videos as a nuanced breath of fresh air. Thanks for keeping me sane!!
I love your videos. The only critique i have is downplaying the role the USA has in destabilising the middle east.
She's just stating facts the reason why there is so much violence in the middle east is because of muslims and islam.
Islam is the biggest problem
"This is fucking insane". I have to say, the first person's first words were a perfect description of all the others that followed.
Great video, as per usual. You are my fav socio/political analyst on RUclips. This can’t be easy, so know that I appreciate your hard work fam.
This topic has been heavy on my mind and you break it down so well. Although I am liberal by most metrics, the online left and far left don’t often broach these topics well and it’s nice to hear from someone who can think critically about a particular discourse and express ideas with nuance as eloquently as you
Again, much appreciated fam! Keep it up
You have such patience and empathy, I could never.
I am truly afraid of what our future will look like in 30 years.
What an excellent video essay. You’ve brought so much nuance into this conversation and have inspired me to do more research into the topic. Thank you for sharing!
you are absolutely brilliant. one of my favourite content creators, love from a random romanian girl
Oh my god, I'm so exited for this video ! I saw this going around and I immediately thought that I need your reaction to this!!!!
isn't it kinda like those people simping over serial killers? "oh he was just misunderstood" "you don't get it but i do" "he was a victim of society, that's why he murdered people" "his hate for jews is so cute uwu"
Amazing video. Thank you. 🙏🏻
Time always flies with your video's!
Best summary starts at 1:11:25 imo.
The Taliban's critique of the West's methods of colonialism, oppression, and civilian causalities is a very *liberal* thing to say. Liberalism* is squarely against the Taliban's fundamentalism, which purposefully erases the lines between combatants and civilians, and views the world as a constant conflict in the physical sense: a constant war. They frequently oppress other Muslims when given the chance, and shield themselves among civilians so that the inevitable casualties stoke the fire of vengeance and devotion to their cause. Islamic fundamentalists have been doing this long before America/the 'West' came to their land to commit sins in the name of oil.
Tiktok leftists are expressing their disappointment with the "West's" illiberal foreign policy decisions while overlooking the Taliban's blatant hypocrisy: they are aggressors just as much as they are victims.
*watch 21:44 to understand what she means by liberalism, as defined primarily by International Relations studies instead of just by partisan politics.
thank you for taking the time to make such an informative video on this. it is so baffling to see so many people completely misunderstand OSAMA BINLADEN and his ideology.
I love your nuance
Je ne savais pas quoi écrire, mais bravo, you said it all ! Ca fait du bien de voir du bon sens sur internet omg !
Well people. Even though her point of view is interesting, it is still biased and informed by her personal view and lecture of the world. She said herself that is she believes in individualism and in other videos something along the lines to “man is a wolf to man”… That is still a very subjective way to understand the world. Her analytic view is to put side to side not with random tiktokers but with informed geopolitics experts with different views of the situation than hers, particularly when it comes to the reciprocity of the western response and nuance about the colonised/colonisers.
On the letter to America and bin laden part though she is totally right.
I just wanted to say what a briliant video, you are amazing !!thank you so much, I have lerned so many things today ❤️✨🤗
Thank you kidology; I hadn't seen this trend, but it beggars belief. You as always deliver a top notch analysis. I have learnt something today. Thank you
32:21 It’s amusing that you accuse these Tiktokers of naive smugness without considering the possibility that you display it yourself.
Very well done video 👏🏻
Interesting, nuanced take Kidi. The US army is arguably a de facto terrorist organisation deployed under the rubric of state power. And I'd further argue that referring to insurgent, none state political organizations blanketly as 'terrorist' is not appropriate. The definitions of A terrorist state like the U.S cannot be normalised and used without context or history. Including thst Al Qaeda and Hammas for example were both formed by the United States and Israel respectively.
We get it bro you support hamas
Very true, very educational! Thanks so much.
Thank you for this take, Ive been making the mistake of trying to understand some of this history and trying to find "the bad guy" as a singular being, for the reason as to convince other people that have been citing reactionary falsehoods in order to get them away from such mind clouding negativity. But i now understand more that history is a looot more broad than the last half century. I do think that modern technologies are increasing the amount of damage that terroristic actions do (machineguns, explosives, transportation of individuals) and how they can be framed to remove details about why and how these attacks happen (disinformation and propaganda on social media). Could a solution perhaps lie in disentangling religion/money from individuals and power structures, creating a society of more self-realized, less selfish people?
I wish nothing but safety for the people that are living in these heavy conflict areas, and free Palestine and depose Hamas, let them rebuild and bury their dead
Why did building 7 collapse. Why were I s r a e l I s arrested after being caught dancing celebrating the destruction of the towers.....
You are absolutely brilliant. Thank you for this video
Thank you for the insightful content. ❤
Great talk x i agree with you whole heartedly.
This is why the word nuance exists. Two things can be true at once. Islamic fundamentalist’s existence does not negate the United States using them as scapegoats to gain military control over regions and yes, that includes their natural resources. “Dick Cheney made money off the Iraq war” isn’t a meme for no reason. 25% of Americans suspect the US govt was responsible for 9/11, this is not for no reason.
I also think you highly underestimate the lengths US organizations like the CIA go to when it comes to international infiltration & national propaganda campaigns. There’s a long list of things the CIA has admitted to doing. There is legitimacy when it comes to suspicions & conspiracies regarding the USA’s “foreign policy” if it can be called that. Bin Laden can be a terrorist, an Islamic fundamentalist; while simultaneously, the United States has historically committed crimes against humanity and its own citizens, for yes- capitalist interests. Those interests are defended by those same citizens who experience hardships- yet find the sacrifice worthy to live the American life. Again, two things true at once, people suffer; & thrive in the US.
“Tiktokers” who are feeling disillusioned by Bin Laden’s letter just haven’t truly comprehended America’s history. But for those who are aware of America’s role in the world, don’t twist, negate, or ignore America’s well documented & exposed history; just because other things are true at the same time.
You can’t dehumanize a group of people, help to instill fundamentalist regimes (Iran being the obvious example), exploit their resources, treat them like monsters and then be surprised when they behave as such. By saying that terrorism is not a response, you are effectively saying that there is a clear good/evil dichotomy, even though you are trying to avoid it.
No shes not, did you not taken in everything she said on the nation states, their necessity for evil action to uphold them, the inherently contradictions in it and liberalism, i think here she really muddled up any good evil dichotomy that could be perceived by westerns by basically saying "no shit , what did you think was going on".
Effectively we havent escaped our tribalism our tendecy of atrociteis and war
Shes held the postion about what you said being correct generally but simply simply took a different stance in it.
Note how a definition of terrorism was given the targetting of civilians for political gain.The liberation of the people from the imperialist is a politcal postion as when the pdf fight against the mynmmar junta that is a political postion.
For her to do what youve said in this comment qould need the complete rejection of these people being just human beings.
Foreign policy will always be that way. That's the whole point of her video.
@@inbb510 then you’ll always get terrorized back sooo. And Americans are wrong for being pissed? What?
They were fundamentalist far before western influence.
But that's the thing, it's not like Islamic fundamentalist organizations stand for values of anti-colonialism and freedom. They often oppress their own people, like the Taliban is doing right now to the people of Afghanistan. In fact, a lot of Islamic fundamentalist organizations have the goal of conquering more territory and violating the sovereignty of other nations/peoples, like ISIS. I agree with you that nations like the US fuel this violence by unjustly exploiting and controlling other countries, but that violence will not end with terrorist organizations. As Kidology pointed out, terrorists need violence to achieve their goals, so they will always inflict more violence on both civilians in the West and civilians in the Middle East.
It’s a great analysis as always! Good job!
I don't think it's quite as easy as "foreign policy is just a reality" or that the CIA et al just have a very complex job that is "necessary" but that we cannot possibly understand. The USA, its armies and agencies have committed atrocities, war crimes and killed millions in the decades after the second world war that were by no means "necessary" to protect itself or its allies. Yes, not everything our governments or education systems teach us in the west is wrong, but it is hard to deny there is hardly any truth to - however very pervasive - slogans such as that America protects freedom or the 'rules-based' international order. Bin Laden's letter is a badly written and incoherent amalgamation of quran quotes, confused ideas such as the west mistreating women and the islamic right to Israel, and a few historical facts torn about context. That these women see that slur as anything meaningful is less an indictment of themselves but painfully inadequate education in the us.
I haven’t finished the video but I hope you mention that Bin Laden’s Gen Z stans “cancelled” him after they found out he was a Saudi nepo baby 😂😵💫
I wonder if they know he didn't like homosexuals and homosexuals of women as homosexuals carriers.
Wow, this was an amazing video!
The analysis of the situation, the history of this all and the brilliant flow of wisdom from you - just bravo. Great work, thanks so much! I'll have to listen to this again on normal speed and take notes. Big smile and best regards from Norway.
Another good and insightful video🎉
Thank you, you have put many of my thoughts and truth to words.
This is the most nuanced and sophisticated take on foreign policy, terrorism, and the “discourse “ that I have heard so far
Someone who identifies with anti-imperialism but has their minds blown by Bin Laden is profoundly unserious. There have been substantial critiques on US forgien policy in the middle east for decades - some of the most scathing ones coming from libertarians...I get that a lot of these posters were too young to remember these discussions in passing but Adam Curtis documentaries are fully available on RUclips.
I don’t even like Adam Curtis, but, like, *yeah.* Like, did these b!tches really believe Bush when he said that terrorists were just big meanies who hate America’s freedom? Because literally everyone who was paying attention quickly realized that the hijackers were pissed off about Palestine. They’re been pissed off about Palestine since the 40s. I’m just baffled that American schools are this bad.
IMO, Modern Western, stable(ish) countries have been existing as close to "utopia" as will ever be possible for humanity. The reality is that maintaining even the mess we are currently privileged enough to live in is hard and complex and shifting and perpetually flawed, because people are complex and shifting and perpetually flawed. The idea of reaching a perfect harmonious and peaceful system is naïve. But I'm not saying we shouldn't constantly strive for making things better, because that struggle toward peace and harmony is exactly what keeps us in our imperfect "utopia." It's just that the struggle never stops. Perfection can never be obtained.
While I really appreciate your insight and the point of view you provide, I think that you should make a video focusing on just the war between Israel and Palestine. This video focuses a lot on conflicts that are imo not that clearly correlated. You made references and comparisons to the current situation but I think that the comparisons are quite weak and don't stand much on their own. While the story about Bin Laden was nice, I don't see how it relates to Hamas except for that they are both religious fundamentalists. The history of the two conflicts is not nearly the same, so a proper correlation cannot be formed in my opinion. I think you should delve more into the history of the Israel-Palestine conflict and how it has all led to what we are seeing today. I see so many different points of view from people that it becomes hard to keep up with what's actually going on. For example, someone has said that Israelis should not be considered "civilians" because they are complicit in the active act of oppression of Palestinians (which I don't necessarily agree with, but it's food for thought). As much as Hamas is a religious fundamentalist organization, the state of Israel is also such an organization that has already established its own state while subjugating the indigenous Palestinians. And while the Hamas attack is an inexcusable atrocity, so is the indiscriminate bombing of civilians in Gaza. The situation is actually a lot more complex - it's two religious fundamentalist organizations fighting while it's the civilians who pay the price, but here they are being used as a shield by both sides, not one. I don't have a clear view how this conflict could be resolved (if I did I would probably be a member of the UN board), but I think these intricacies must be discussed. Hence why I think you should dedicate a video just to delve into this.
Yes!!!
Always good to hear you Kido. You take your time and try to really think instead of those tiktok girls just discovering international politics. Hope your video get views.
how can you say the military and us arent terrorist ? just because they dont do it on our territory?
Exactly
Thank you for this video!
I was waiting for you to bring up The End of History 😂😂 before I switched my second major to computer science, I studied international relations. I still have all my syllabi and reading material if you’re curious. It’s incredibly fascinating.
The taliban is "at its roots" religious fundementalist (i dont know enough to dispute this and i dont care to), Do you think that america is "at its roots" white supremist? because if the nature of its creation?
Im frustrated by your tendencies to say things are complex without really providing a more conplex world view.
Ummm... Hey no hate thi, love your videos
This is the rare case when I strongly disagree with Kidology. I won't go through every bizarre thing in this video, because then I'll never end; instead I want to look at some premises.
First, there is no "unbiased", "objective", or "neutral" positions and no experts who would hold them. You cannot derive narrative simply by looking at raw data. We are all human beings with our biases, different values, and environments where we came from. Experts are no exception, and human factor is always involved. I may trust (to some extent) people whose bias I can understand, even if we have different values and positions. But I never trust people who are "objective" and "unbiased" - there is always a hidden agenda put there willingly or not. I know nothing about experts Kidology listened to, but if they indeed present themselves as "unbiased", it would explain lots of absurd claims made in this video starting with the statement that nation states emerged only after WW2 (which is just false), and ending with attempt to put on Hamas responsibility for Israel's indiscriminate bombings (which is ridiculous).
So, it seems for me that some of tiktoks that Kuidology didn't like (specifically those which are explicitely againts Bin Laden's statements and using them to better understand the situation) are actualy more reasonable and more nuanced than Kidology's own takes in this video. I don't know how much value there is in this letter; I believe, Bin Laden was just another crooked polititian from another country, hence there is no point to think, that anything he says or writes is genuine in the first place (because we don't believe that our own polititians are genuine, and there is no difference here). But maybe for some people it's just a point to start thinking independently, so I don't hate it either.
Finally, the statement made at the end of the video, that everything is so complex that we'll never understand it, sounds like something that polititians and state officials would say. "It's too complex for your, trust our expertise, don't question us". Some questions can be very complex, but others are pretty simple. Bombing civilians is a war crime even if the other side thinks killing civilians is ok and does it themselves, that's it.
Thank you. I was extremely disappointed with this video. Even her tone was very different from the norm, a more heated tone that continued to blatantly say that those kids murdered by Israelis deserved that because of Hamas.
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Extremely well put!!
honestly the more videos i watch of her the less sense she makes
What on Earth are you blathering about.
also wtf, I HAD to go read this freaking letter just to see what did he say that can shake up so many people... Im shocked. thats it?!? THAT is what sent them into an existential crisis? I have no words
1:09 14000 civilian deaths is not complex. Why so many mental gymnastics?
Thank you for making this video! Much respect. שלום
13:25 same girl probably wouldn't hesitate to yell "mental trauma", when kidnapped children say they want to stay with their kidnapper, because he is nice
I learned a lot from this video. Thank you!
This conflict is informed by history that is not very much debated academically but is mostly debated about by the uneducated who have been fed propaganda. A good starting point is to read The Modern Middle East by Gevlin. It’s an academic book covering the macro picture of the region.
What i don't understand is why doesn't K just read the letter out loud? What is sooo mind shattering about it?
Sorry about the breadtube video. That was a necessary video for all people to hear.
In regards to this one I appreciate you once more advocating the need to truly put in the work yourself if you want to learn about international politics. Its alot, humans are alot and people often forget that.
as always I thourough video! well organized! KIDo is a Gem
Zee it sounds like you know more than a little about Hegel (or the same ideas thru the Zizek vehicle maybe) but I was really struck by the way you pointed out that modern nation states are defined by their foreign policy and that this is a reflection of the same kind of identity obsession that goes on in individuals but on a national scale. Hegel's description of this concept is that the self is 'pure negativity' i.e. that a single psyche defines itself exactly as what it is not. Hegel doesn't apply this concept to nations but I think he may do so in other books I haven't read. I think your description of the same concepts are a lot more approachable and I love how you apply an almost Lacanian analysis of Bin Laden's life to show how he was trying to distance himself from an identity that he wanted to use to define himself in negation to. It's the same for the western women awakening with his letter. They want to BE the negation of patriarchy, colonialism, racism, imperialism, etc. so bad that they gravitate towards the same identitarian contrarianism as Bin Laden.
Also, I want to point you towards the works of Ayaan Hirsi Ali if you arent already familiar. My opinion is that she is probably too harsh on Islam as a whole, but she has a lot to say about how if Islam wants to 'liberalize' itself then the change has to come from within. I believe it is totally possible that Muslim scholars will confront the dark sides in the expression of Islam and the dark sides of history to reconstitute themselves with some new form of highly popular and liberal Islam but it seems impossible when so many people are using it as the surrogate to represent the negation of western values. Changing the attitude of the western hegemony would take the fuel out of the fire but like you said, taking away all the reigns of control would just cause this fragile world of relatively high amounts of peace to just crumble entirely.
P.S. the similarity between fragile concepts of identity found in radical Muslim men and red pill men is not lost on those in those groups. Sneako has been streaming from his Hajj recently hahaha. I would love if the purity culture of Islam would actually rub off on these filthy men but I don't see it happening.
Excellent video
Am I the only one that finds it embarrassing to hear a tiktoker use the word media literacy, in context to simping for bin laden over a letter?
You're amazing! Thank for your content, to bring more information in a world that people form too strong opinions and take sides based in so little information because stupid polarizations in opinions they believe are politized.
How ironic
do you have a booklist or goodreads? im trying to look for books related to the topics you discuss in your videos
Can I just say I hate the cadence that most of these women talk with? And it’s not just them, it’s all over the internet.
“Like… *smacks lips* I don’t even know what to say to y’all. I can’t belie-I cannot believe that igottastanduphereandsaytheobvious. Just… things be so dumb, ya’ll. *smacks lips*. *Dramatic pause*… *cutesy side-eye* for real.”
They are so dumb
maybe you're just a misogynist then
stop thinking you are better than them, you are just as annoying