exactly. many people have killed for their kids, their own and their friends safety. why is her finally freeing herself from a lifetime of abuse so bad to these overgrown children? clearly have been privileged their entire lives to an insane degree to not get it. her mother was evil. 0 sympathy. gypsy also went and did the time for her crime and never made murder a good thing in general, just that it was her way out. you cant blame her for reaching that point, she necer even used it as an excuse. people genuinely are so heartless.
@wastednibjadude Say it again for the people in the back. They could say 'I don't want to be in that situation' or 'I never want that feeling'. I can respect that but coming in with the 'I would never' bs? Please🙄.
@@ahnhyungseobhaveyoulearnth8286 Agreed and the reason she is out is that she didn’t actually kill her mother. What’s missing from all these people’s TikToks about it is Nicholas Godejohn’s agency. No one forced him to kill.
Me, I believe the mother was dead before NICK GOT THERE!! And she then had to put nick there!! Her mother had become ill 🤒 she was in a wheelchair herself on disability high blood pressure and diabetes ect nobody talk about it!! If gyby didn't kill the fraud 😤 would be found out
@@somethingclever8916they treat peoples gruesome murders and abuse like it’s just casual entertainment, they derive joy from watching people put on makeup while telling stories like they’re just that, stories, and not some poor souls suffering.
She stopped being a survivor when she manipulated a mentally challenged man into killing her mother, got off with the ridiculously light prison sentence, has zero remorse about what she's done, and is making money off her crime!
This is what happens when we consume True Crime as entertainment. "Fans" analyze and speculate over real life victims (and their loved ones) like they are characters on a Ryan Murphy show. Anyone with a Reddit account is now a self proclaimed expert on forensic psychology (and ironically, diagnose everyone else around them narcissism). It's creating so much paranoia and a startling lack of empathy.
As someone who has criminology and forensic science degrees I hate the phrase ‘true crime’. It creates an aura of it being a story with characters instead of being the horrific reality of real people. It’s disgusting. You’re not an expert because you binge ‘true crime’ media. If you’re so interested, get an education in it.
I actually don’t think jealousy is a big factor at all. You have to understand that young people are incredibly supportive of Gypsy. They want her to have the fame and money- as long as she continues to be the infantile version they’ve come to expect. They aren’t jealous, they’re annoyed.
100% I don't think it should be a form of entertainment at all. If people want to study criminology, criminal psychology, criminal law, or research those things then by all means go and do that, but throwing this kind of information at the general public leads to mass ignorance turning into mass toxicity. I study psychology, so I live inside a world of research, it's all out there and available if people were willing to go and look for accurate information but people want shock value and hate and gossip as opposed to them having a genuine interest.
@@ciaraskeleton I understand that for many people criminology - which is really what true crime is - is fascinating and that’s fine. But people get so numb when they just watch true crime content. The fact that random people on the internet are looking up autopsy photos or crime scene photos/video out of morbid curiosity disgusts me. A lot try to claim it’s educational but unless you’re studying it at school you don’t have the necessary education to understand what you’re looking at, or reading when it comes to people accessing autopsy reports. I think it’s so dehumanising to gawk at photos and video of victims for no reason other than morbid curiosity and those people are just lying to themselves that their motive is education. I would never seek out crime scene photos and autopsy photos for a case I find interesting. It robs victims of their dignity and personhood and re-victimises them and turns them into essentially modern day freak shows where people gawk and stare at something potentially grotesque. Even though I am interested in criminology, my primary thought with content is ‘does this respect the victim? Does it respect their loved ones? Does it glamourise the guilty party? Does it use minimising language?’ It’s why I generally avoid content about serial killers, because it’s never about the victims. It’s always putting the killers front and centre, which is why they get groupies on a level murderers who commit a single offence rarely get.
This! If I were her, I’d be afraid for my life. I wouldn’t feel like I could just walk away, I’d worry she’d kill me if I were caught. Honestly I would need to find a way to leave that I was sure wouldn’t allow her to catch me.
Yes they tried saving the glands with Botox but in the end they were removed. She has issues speaking and constantly clearing her throat because she is dry. She says she is scared of annoying people and has to constantly hydrate
totally agree. she's been held captive her whole life so obviously the transition to freedom is going to be rocky. people should realize that the way she's acting is because of her life experiences. just because normal people wouldn't do what she's doing... well normal people have had vastly different experiences.
this reminds me of what happened with Britney Spears! you got everyone yellin "free Britney" for YEARS and then once she's free and doing her own thing and posting "weird cringy" videos online NOW she has a problem.
I always call out my friends on that, if julia fox or like another weird celeb posted those videos no one would bat an eye, there's a lot of prejudice against victims
@JR-lw3ms you’re under most of these comments spewing some of the most vile shit. If you’re not going to actually educate yourself around her case & have some empathy, maybe because you have absolutely no scope of what this woman went through - I beg you please sit this one out. Your lack of self awareness is astounding and victim blaming in all these comments just makes you seem so uneducated and ignorant. Do better, you’re meant to be a grown adult.
This reminds me of the treatment of Natascha Kampusch, a woman who was kidnapped as a child, locked in until young adulthood until she could finally break free, and her treatment in Austria, where she’s from and all of it happened. She didn’t kill anybody but public opinion sort of turned against her when she didn’t play into what the public expected a victim to be like. By which I mean she chose to talk about her experiences publicly, with confidence people didn’t expect from someone who didn’t see any daylight in her formative years.
The public‘s reaction made me feel sick to my core. People doubting her suffering, even doubting her kidnapping. I hope that Natascha Kampusch is in a good place now. I hope that she’s at peace
A close friend was abused severely by her father it took her 5 years to put him in jail cause the police said she turned out so normal for the things that were done to her. Two wrongs don’t make a right, she didn’t choose murder she actually still had love in her heart. Because like Gypsy mum he was a monster but still a father. And it makes me wonder about her dynamic with her mother, she went along with a lot of it and I don’t think it was the same abuse my friend went through but knowing how someone who is a monster but also takes care of the person they are abusing the kid is more like Natascha or my friend- being normal but abused in the most horrific ways that people don’t understand. They didn’t turn to murder because they’re still normal and good humans.
It’s so interesting how everyone seems to have an authority on these very rare types of suffering and what they *should* look like. For most of us, the only idea or perception we get about this type of trauma comes from TV/movies. In other words, fiction. So where do people get off with this type of analysis? The “body language experts” all over social media are especially infuriating. 😑
The woman in Australia whose baby was eaten by a Dingo had the same issue. People thought she hurt the baby because she didn’t cry (even though she was advised not to). You can’t win in the court of public opinion. 😢
@@LoneWulf278 yeah I do think it’s normal for everyone to have opinions, theory’s etc just like Gypsy Rose has her thoughts and opinions on how to handle abuse and what constitutes a being a murderer- I don’t know if it’s authoritarian or just perspective. Like I mentioned people found it hard to believe my friend because she didn’t have the normal behavior of someone with the severity of what was done to her even the police and law. The police literally said to her she should be on drugs according to what she said happened to her- so if police do it then… It is interesting though and guess that’s where psychology comes into it.. don’t know about all the RUclipsrs but I find it interesting how we all go on about psychology yet when it comes to using it, then we get told they don’t know, it’s wrong.. so what is it? Does psychology matter, is it real or is it only something we need to try and prove something that suits our narrative? So we have so called solid evidence and makes us “right”
Wait.. which... who... ? You realize there's only one person dead here, right? Gypsy was never abused, she was in on the scam, which defines it as NOT Munchhausen by proxy. She also faked everything well into adulthood, also making it decidedly not Munchhausen.
there isn't a perfect victim. terminally-online people are really too obsessed with the public image of a child abuse victim, whose story THEY sensationalized. and they're treating her abuse, and her current attitude, like some old-fashion beauty-guru youtuber drama. take accountability for what? she already served her time.
i saw the most idiotic video the other day lambasting Gypsy for ::checks notes:: purchasing a puppy instead of adopting one from a shelter. the person was like “THIS IS THE LAST STRAW, GYPSY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER!” and i’m like . . . ????? this girl has been in prison for the last decade and you’re FURIOUS she’s not DOG WOKE and that’s your “LAST STRAW” and you’ve “HAD IT” with Gypsy Rose??? omg BFFR. some of these people would be utterly unemployable if not for the Outrage Industrial Complex.
yessss because “adopt don’t shop” is always the correct choice, and i’m sure a dog with potential behavioral issues would be a great fit in her new family. i’m sorry but if you have the short sightedness to blindly spout that rhetoric, i don’t trust that person to make broad sweeping character judgements of abuse survivors eta cause watching live: malshi is a cringe “breed” considering it’s just a mixed breed but this is about the principle lol
Shelters in the United States of America are full of pit bulls that no one really wants, so I can’t blame people for wanting a more desirable purebred or mixed breed dog.
Those people who were saying “she could have just walked away” have a fundamental misunderstanding of not only abusive relationships but abusive parental relationships that include isolation. She was under-educated, isolated, and had no actual interaction with the real world. When you live in that situation, you don’t know how to leave, you don’t know that you can leave, you don’t know the true extent of the abuse. I wanted out growing up (fundamentalist Christian and homeschooled) but I didn’t have or know a way out. I didn’t fully know the extent of the abuse until I left around 19. I was afraid of the world, and the devil I knew was safer than the vilified world outside
@@doIIsparts Yes she did, and her mother tied her to the bed for it... But according to the tiktok "specialists" think she should have just strolled out the door 🤦🏾♀️
@@AngeliqueElijah absolutely ridiculous for those people to claim that. They have no idea what it’s like to be in her situation. She even says now if she had known a different way out she would have taken it
Can we stop glorifying mothers even if they are bad mothers? People talking shit about her because of how she managed to get out of an abusive situation also try to discount the abuse she went through because it was done by her mother. People fail to understand that by the time you realize your mother is not a good mom, you go through a massive grieving process. Your entire belief system over the one person that was meant to protect you is flipped upside-down. DeeDee was a horrible mom, and while no one deserves to die like that, Gypsy did what she could to leave a situation where the abuse would've eventually killed her. She's not a master manipulator, she's a victim of abuse.
DeeDee was abused just like she abused Gypsy. Doesn't look like anyone helped Deedee either. This is such a complicated situation that saying simple things doesn't always cover it.
Right? And like there are so many songs and movies about women killing their abusive husbands or boyfriends and it’s seen as empowering, but Gypsy’s an unforgivable manipulator be abuse her abuser was her mother and not a man
It’s not like she could just get a job at McDonald’s or something. There’s no way her life will ever be normal because of the media coverage in this story even before she was released. I imagine she’s being compensated with all the media appearances. Not to mention the fact that she was socially isolated for the entirety of her developmental years and was in PRISON for almost a decade following that…
@@Denise_Suzanne She's always been in the public eye for what? She got attention, why? Do you envy what she appeared to have, even at the enormous cost? I must envy you if you have never had to imagine feeling isolated, voiceless, or alone with people around you.
I disagree, I think with her name she could have gotten a job much easier than the average convict. Her choice to do media is just a choice and seeing as financial analysts believe she has made around 3 Million at this point then media is the to go if money is what is most important to her. I just don't think "what else was she supposed to do?" is a valid argument. Like I said she could have found work easier, a lot easier than the average convict. But if your choice is minimum wage at Lowes (known to be willing to hire convicts) or 3 Million in 3 weeks on social media which one are you going to pick?
... She was eductated properly while on prision. Do you really think is that easy getting a "normal" job when you didn't have the chance to access education and development like the other kids? She was abused and didn't have the same socialization as most of us. Maybe you can have this view, but you don't have the same world perception as her. Maybe growing around cameras made her think that this is the best or only option to sustain herself, and heal, and explore the world. But the point is that we don't know. Humans are extremely complex and we cannot judge people that easily.
It is absolutely ridiculous to me to see adults who have had all opportunity to grow and know the world judge the way in which someone who was isolated and SEVERELY abused for their entire 23 years of life goes about escaping their situation. Anyone's opinions about how they think she should have went about dealing with her situation are irrelevant because you are speaking from the perspective of a most likely relatively educated free adult and she escaped from the perspective of an uneducated prisoner being actively poisoned, beat, and even cut up surgically. Who, by the way, had already tried to escape peacefully before.
This is the most problematic aspect of "mental illness as an identity". People that are less severely afflicted or afflicted in more "presentable ways" come to represent those categories and so mentally ill people who don't fit that new mold are just cast off as "bad people, not because they're mentally ill, because that's alright, but because they're just bad people".
@@JacquesMayhoff Unironically, “real” trauma is still stigmatized. We didn’t actually change anything, we just categorized normal life problems as “trauma” (which are problems that people can generally cope with) and then proceeded to blame truly mentally Ill people for not having the “strength of character” to survive their trauma the same way all of the “trauma-lite” people do. “Gypsy Rose cant get a free pass. I had a shitty boyfriend for three months and I didn’t become a piece of shit.”
Mental health “awareness” matters and is okay if it’s only moderate depression and anxiety lol. If you have anything worse than that these people don’t care and will eat you alive.
@@ImortalZeus13 "Trauma-lite" is such a good way to put it. These people judging Gypsy Rose are the same people who will claim their mothers were "abu*ive narcissists" because they made them eat vegetables and limited their internet time growing up.
@@ImortalZeus13 I don't think it's anyone's place to look at someone else's experience and decide what impact it had on them. Whether or not "people can generally cope with" something doesn't mean that we get to say that anyone not coping well with that thing isn't "really" traumatized. Looking at one traumatic event that someone experienced doesn't tell you what they may have gone through previously or what mental health issues may affect how they cope. Categorizing someone's trauma as "trauma-lite" is judging them in exactly the same way you say "real" traumatized people are being criticized for struggling. No one should be telling anyone else how they SHOULD be coping, regardless of how severe we deem their trauma to be.
37:27 Whenever I hear anyone say "I'm the most empathetic person I know" I'm immediately ready for them to be very unempathetic people. I've known people who say this outloud and always act opposite to what they believe of themselves. Most empathetic people are aware of their limitations for empathy (due to undertanding they have never experienced what the other person has and possibly never will). Because of that, they fear not being empathetic enough and would never call themselves "the most empathetic person".
If Gypsy became another un-reformed criminal who was rejected by communities and unable to integrate back in society, like many former incarcerated people have been, then she would be the 'perfect victim' by fitting the role of the bittersweet ending of another true crime tale. So we could all cry how she deserved so much better.
No when u suvive u are then a suvivour of abuse ur not anyones victim once its over she also made somone her victim in the process u can be both suvivour and manipulator to suvive
@@PixelTheExtraTerrestrialthat’s not how human psychology works… she’s a victim of long term abuse unnecessarily at the hands of her mothers mental illness.
True crime has truly rotted the brains of these people. They want her to be their entertainment then get mad when she acts like a human and doesn't follow their fanfiction script. So they have to create this narrative of her being manipulative to continue their fantasy stories. It's so disgusting.
Wait… you’re surprised that Gypsy is manipulative? She was raised by a master manipulator. Of course she learned how to be manipulative. She needs a lot of mental health support. She has not had any experience with a normal way of life. Usually our parents teach us how to be people as babies/ toddlers and how to be good/ decent people throughout childhood and beyond. Gypsy has had none of that. She has to learn how to be a genuine person from scratch after a lifetime of being abused and that has got to be intense.
@@NotJessHyou keep saying this everywhere but do you not understand she did get help in prison? It’s not great but she’s not her mom and acting like she’s out here becoming the manipulator is so weird. Yeah she probably has tendencies but so does literally everyone. I’m sure she’s still in therapy, but not wanting to make that super public considering it’s you know fucking therapy.
@@NotJessH You are the exact person I'm talking about. Keep your little fanfiction to yourself. You do not know this person at all; stop acting like you were her therapist.
Gypsy Rose can say that what she did was wrong, but what she and no one else will say is that she'd still be her mother's slave to this day if she hadn't done what she did. I know someone similar to Gypsy Rose. She had to wait for her mother to die, when she was already pushing forty. And afterwards, she was homeless because her mother ruined her credit and left her all of her debt. Why isn't anyone saying there should be assistance available specifically for adult children that escape abusive parents? The state is why Gypsy Rose had to do what she did. She probably got sent to prison to send a message to anyone else in the position: Be good kids and just let your parents end you.
?? What would be the motivation for abused adults to stay with their abusive parents? If anything, "they" would much rather the abused adult to break away and become a working adult, i don't see what the possible motivation could be otherwise lol
Well, she got sent to prison for orchestrating the murd3r of her mother. That doesn’t negate the abuse she suffered at the hands of her mother but it’s absolutely illegal to recruit a mentally unstable young man to commit murd3r (youtube doesn’t like that word, so I’m typing it that way) She had a cell phone and laptop to get into a relationship with Nick so she could have reached out to her father and step mother, the authorities, etc. I have a lot of empathy for Gypsy. She had a terrible life at the hands of her mother. I see a ton of red flags with her. She’s manipulative like her mom. She needs so much therapy before she’s ready to be integrated into society.
@@ash1eyrosetell me you’ve never been in an insanely abusive parental relationship without telling me you’ve never been in an insanely abusive parental relationship. How easy does being homeless sound to you? How about dealing with the very real likely hood you would have some form of disordered attachment to the long term abuser? And you gotta hope they LET you get a job and haven’t ruined your credit yet by taking out loans in your name to keep you financially dependent.
I agree with you. As someone who grew up abused and is studying to be a social worker, I’d love to create a program to help older teens/young adults escape their abusers. With tools on how to navigate adult hood with support (especially for those who’ve been parentified/infantilized)
Sick of folks throwing around the words "natcissist" and "sociopath". I JUST got my Bachelor's in psych and I wont even throw terms around like that. Oooooh it just makes my whole ass itch 😒💀💀
And as soon someone has a different view on things or themselves and tries to convince you of these views (because that's what people usually do when they disagree), they're "manipulating."💀
Narcissist is the most overused now. You can't show even a tiny bit of selfishness or be not-perfectly-kind for a hot minute without being labeled one.
Can we just appreciate the 36:30 quote: “I have so much self awareness” and, in the same breath follow it with saying: “I am literally one of the most empathetic people on the planet” and then proceed to compre her experience with a complete stranger’s saying she would NEVER DO THAT. What is going on words are losing meaning
When trauma cause damage to your brain, development, skills, point of view not in a uwu way... like, what did they expect of a person who didn't have a before trauma period? I have cPTSD and it can take years and years to learn how to live, to learn how to find yourself inside all of these coping mechanism, symptoms, flashbacks... and, yeah, it can be really fck up, because it's trauma, it literally rewires your brain and affects your development.
It’s even worse for someone in her position bc she was literally cut off from the rest of the world. She didn’t live in the same reality of any of us and not a single one of us could ever possibly have any f-ing idea of what that would feel like. She lived in a fantasy that entire time bc her imagination- which was based entirely on crap from TV & movies mind you- was literally the only way she could actually experience genuine happiness. She didn’t KNOW anything else. It didn’t exist to her. There wasn’t any right or wrong. There wasn’t anyone there to teach her. I mean, not that killing someone in self defense is even remotely wrong lol, but that’s another issue entirely
And sometimes a person can become prone to rages and violence because of how trauma rewired their brain, It's pretty much trauma-induced brain damage to the areas of the brain responsible for emotional regulation and impulses. And aggression and irritability are remarkably common symptoms, but instead of trying to help these kinds of victims get the treatment and medication they need to become more calm and functional, society tells them to go die in a fire and that they don't deserve to be treated at all. I saw this with a woman who had post partum psychosis. She cannibalized her baby alive, but she didn't know it was her baby, she was hallucinating and thought it was something else. She had asked for help when she first noticed bad symptoms but was ignored by doctors, and after the tragedy happened there was no shortage of people calling her evil and a psychopath and hoping she died as gruesomely as the baby, very few were saying she needed to be put in a psychiatric hospital and given proper treatment for her obvious mental disorder. Nobody gave a shit, they slapped the evil label and that was it.
@@JR-lw3ms I don't nor do I really have any kind of idolized support for her. I left my comment moreso in support GENERALLY for victims alongside the fact that I do actually believe the basis for which the case is about which is her mother abused/tortured her by forcing unneeded surgery & medications. I myself have gone through some pretty horrific abuse all throughout my life I guess I could've been less ambiguous in my comment, but that's basically where I'm coming from. I don't know her, I'm definitely not about to sit around analyzing hours up hours of videos/interviews 😂 because even that will never tell us the God's honest truth of all the other pieces to the puzzle. BUT if she is in fact telling her perspective of the truth (which I am inclined to believe that her mother tortured & abused her) then I believe she is not necessarily undeserving of the extreme success & notoriety DUE to the horrible mistreatment because of an abuser's sick malice. it's the ultimate table turn that someone could seek to oppress you & try to parasitically dim/steal your light & sadistically harm you.... & you come out on top. at the very top at that. outside of the core of her story which is the abuse/unneeded surgeries & adjacent medical treatment all of which I believe & there is obviously evidence for, I don't know whether the other pieces of the puzzle are true or not. I just feel like the core piece is what is the most important that I can respect enough to feel that she at least isn't necessarily undeserving of the success.
You're right nothing ever happens and no one ever goes through these horrifying situations. All victims are liars and deserve to be spit on. Stop trolling the comments and get a life. May you never have to go through what many victims go through and then have people call you a liar. @@JR-lw3ms
i got into spirituality over the past few years, but i HATE these pseudo spiritual BS-ers. i feel like they misunderstood the point of spirituality is to connect more with yourself and the world around you, not to be anti-scientific. there's just so much absolute garbage.
with her smug "i am such an intellectual" face too 💀 rolling her eyes and pointing at gypsy rose "manipulating" which is apparently just stating facts. like all that gypsy rose said was just... facts...
It’s so interesting how everyone seems to have an authority on these very rare types of suffering and what they *should* look like. For most of us, the only idea or perception we get about this type of trauma comes from TV/movies. In other words, fiction. So where do people get off with this type of analysis? The “body language experts” all over social media are especially infuriating. 😑
I think you missed a big part of why young people turned on her so quickly . Many are jealous of her new fame and fortune. They won’t admit it because how could one be jealous of a victim of abuse? But secretly they want the “overnight” fame she achieved by doing “nothing” in their eyes
@@storyversefun96omg you have to be kidding me 😐🤦🏼♀️ This is just nuts, I’m starting to see that Gen Z are extremely jealous, envious people 🙁 who are oh so quick to judge & victim blame it seems to be rubbing off on everyone around them too 😒
Oh please. Why are you so shocked? People realize they're gonna have to work till their 70 and Gypsy Rose has it made for the rest of her life. It looks like she's benefiting from her crime. THAT surprises you? Oh come on
Every woman in that montage set my spidey senses off. The expectations placed on this woman by people who haven't been through her experience and the fame acquired due to media attention is crazy. I truly hope she has some protection from the very public gawping. The projection through false categorisation is too much.
She is courting this attention though. This has nothing to do with Gypsy Rose. If this was just woman A who was acting like that-you would say they are trying to get attention on them. Woman A wants followers, they want to be in public eye
@@janne6265 are you slow? I ask because you're not psychic, so have zero idea what I would say if this was 'woman A'. I'm not sure how you expect Gypsy Rose to make an income post release. However, if she chooses to, she's entitled to court the media attention, seeing as money has been made via a documentary and drama series from her story while she was in prison. Now she's released she's free to do what she wants. We aren't entitled to judge her as if she's a regular person with a regular background, and in the process project our flawed expectations onto her because she doesn't fulfill some people's unrealistic ideas of what a perfect victim is. Do you understand that? The opinions of people like you are what she needs to be protected from. Anyone spending time attempting to take her to task because of how they feel about her would be best served doing some serious self reflection.
@@angeltangle Are you serious? You come out first thing with an insult? I didn't come at you wrong. You must be a real gem irl. I shouldn't even give you the satisfaction of responding, but I realize I read your post a little wrong. Did you mean "the fame acquired due to media attention" from when she was in prison? Cause that's true. That's no fault of hers. If you meant after prison, she had all that stuff set up and ready to go. She wants to be an influencer. That comes with some things that aren't so nice. So why do you feel the need to "protect" her like you know her? She chose this. Aren't we letting her be herself now? And of course she could have found other means of income! That's silly. And I guess I'm not psychic, but you are! So tell me how I feel about Gypsy Rose. I'd be so curious to know. I mean I am slow
@@angeltangle Life must be hard for you right now. Cause I did read it. And then answered you even though I was offended and thought you were a troll, I still tried to write out an answer for you. But then I see you and your oh so witty comeback. You need a freakin life.
she did take accountability she went to fucking prison wtf 😭 Also the ableism by acting as if he didnt have control over his own actions, he knew what he was doing when he did the murder guys he knew. Tho I agree he should be in an institution.
And on ablism - she was put through so many surgeries(which requires recovery), had her teeth rot, saliva glands amputated, not allowed to walk - she was made disabled by her mother.
ugh i experienced a version of this sort of hyper scrutiny as a child abuse survivor who grew up in care system. people are so hyper critical of you and your behaviour as if they expect you to be absolutely well adjusted to life and society and ive been told things as much as ill probably never be able to love by strangers. its part of this is the prevalent belief children go into the care system because of something they did, like they were too naughty for the parents to handle etc. i think tv shows have caused this maybe. a bit unrelated but i think its this oversimplifying the characters of abused individuals to keep them from reclaiming their true independance. am I making any sense lol
@mariusvanc A child is neurologically hardwired to be loyal to their caretakers bc when we were evolving, an abusive parent was safer than a lion. Clearly you've never been in the system... so why don't you sit down and shut up.
@@mariusvanc no the ones that are taken away, but some of the ones that are given away. My stepsister was given away to the care system because her mum said she wasn't easygoing. This is the statement she officially gave to the social workers who handled her case... so yeah that sadly happens
i'm sorry. children should never be victim blamed for going into the care system. it's wholly the parent's fault for not being able to care for their child.
I find it super strange that people have the audacity to judge someone that has been through things most could not even imagine.. judge their reaction after 30 years of their life was taken away. Judge how someone should even cope with the fact that they were abused and never even looked for the fame that the worst thing in their life has done to them. So weird… this time is fraught with idiocy and narcissism.
Charles Manson was abused! So was Hitler! Should we feel bad for them too? And if GR wasn't looking for fame, she would just disappear after prison release, like Karla Homolka
But is that true? That she wasn't looking for fame? Didn't she work with Lifetime for her prison diaries or something. Isn't her book coming out? Isn't she going on a media blitz of interviews? Just don't lie to yourself that she's not trying to become famous. Whether it's a good thing or not is not for me to decide but everywhere I look on social media, I see Gypsys face.
@@janne6265she was already famous. She was already in the public zeitgeist from when the story of her abuse was publicized. She came out doing the only thing she literally could do to make money- talk about her experience. She didn’t choose to have the news outlets make stories on her, and why shouldn’t she get some profits from her own story if the media is going to share it with or without her input. At least this way she has some control of how her own story is told.
@Emjay.d I get what you're saying and you're right. I think they're are other ways to make $ and she didn't have to lean into wanting to be an influencer. To me (so yes this would be how it makes ME feel) there is something icky about this. This is just kind of weird situation. But yes I agree with what you're saying. I just don't like how it's playing out. This became a "story" instead of real life
@@janne6265 I don’t disagree. She obviously is playing into the public- but I just really don’t know what people are expecting from someone who has lived that life. She was truly a victim. She was a child that was manipulated and abused and yes she made a mistake- but she didn’t see any other way out of her situation. Then she went to prison where she learned to be an adult. She doesn’t have the tools that most adults have. I don’t watch her content. I just think it’s wild how people are treating her now vs 2 months ago.
these people are literally victim blaming and probably not realizing that they are using the same arguments against her that they would (rightfully) criticize others for using on sexual or phisical abuse victims - like the "why didn't you run away or ask for help" bullshit.
@@JR-lw3msaccording to what evidence. your opinion? maybe you should look into why you are in every comment thread on this video victim blaming. stop reading reddit karen.
This is fantastic analysis. No-one is grappling with what this person experienced and how that may have affected her. People just want performance that fits in with their views/narrative and it’s not lost on me that these creators are pissing blood that she can use this experience to engage with bigger numbers of people than most can dream. Hence she becomes a target. It’s a joke.
I have a lot of empathy for Gypsy. I can’t fathom how terrible her mother made her life. I have no idea what I would have done if I lived her life, absolutely zero idea?! I have watched a handful of her recent interviews and I hope she gets much needed therapy. I see that she can be manipulative. She learned it from her mother, obviously. I have seen her lie and contradict herself in the handful of interviews I’ve seen recently. I’m not at all jealous of her notoriety or potential fortune. I find it odd that our society is pushing her into the spotlight as an influencer/ celebrity. She’s a sympathetic figure who needs mental health help, a lot of healing. It’s bizarre to me that people are fan-girling over her but I’m not surprised. Our society is warped.
I also hear many people say “she plotted to m*rder a member of her own family her own mother” which is telling to me in the sense that people cannot imagine a world where they hurt their family and therefore think she must be an evil person. If it was a stranger who held her hostage and then put her through the same abuse and that was her only means of escape she would be looked at as a hero. The victim blaming is ridiculous! And the fact that this is the only real time in her life she’s had to find her identity and make her way in the world after being isolated, abused, and locked up is why people are so uncomfortable. They want her to stay in the shadows and be quiet. Shes moving on and people don’t like that.
How Many kids were abused and didn’t kill their parents… you can want it but you musnt do it! Plus if a person was keeping me captive i think i would use The tablet and call The police or My dad or someone and just stand up and show nothing is wrong with My body or me, and im pretty sure i wouldnt go on dating websites to trying to find a fuck buddy 😅
Your discussion on the not so perfect victim really struck a chord with me a) because I have some self-reflection to do on this ASAP and b) because it reminds me of how people treat disabled people in general. For example, with late-diagnosed autistics it’s like oh no you’re not fitting my conception of this disorder so you must be faking it and you just want attention. People say things like “You couldn’t have autism because you’re married,” “you couldn’t have autism because you have a job,” etc. all the while completely unaware of how infantilizing and close-minded their comments are. General society treats most disabled people this way.
Media profits whether they are building up someone or destroying them. Gypsy was never meant for long time fame. Shes a side show freak who will be forgotten like Onison
I looove how everyone just throws the word "narcisism" at everything, I'm sure that's not inacurate at all and won't cause any long lasting, unjustified stigma that will later lead to unfair discrimination and therefore more narcissism... I ❤ it.
@@catxtrallways Sometimes what they describe isn't even the person being an asshole. They just get angry that they got dumped. I hope that you're doing better after dealing with narcissistic abuse. It sounds rough.
If it's inaccurate, how can it cause MORE narcissism, when there's none to begin with? Also, giving in to and appeasing narcissists DOES cause more narcissism.
I see this online a lot - tend to assume that anyone jumping to label someone else as a narcissist is a narcissist themselves. I've known only one person in my life that I suspect might be on the narcissism spectrum, but some people seem to be surrounded by narcissists, which is suspicious.
imagine being a dark gypsy stan lmaooo "i spent three days STUDYING AND WATCHING EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS WOMAN" okay girlie you're a fan we get it idk how ppl expect gypsy to be some super normal media darling given her backstory like girlie was under her mums thumb then in prison now she's out and has cameras pointed at her and she's been put under a microscope like sorry she isnt super articulate and poised like some hollywood actress like what on earth im not a gypsy stan but honestly girlie slay idk if its the media ppl have watched w her lkie the act but maybe ppl are infantalize her to a disturbing degree ppl are legit grossed out by her being an adult having an adult relationship and saying she has a good sx life w her HUSBAND ppl who think she should be weeping abt what she did to her abusive mum are 100% the type who wouldve just preferred her to stay being abused and then come forward when her mum died then struggling for the rest of her life especially in front of a camera this is similar to the backlash that jordan turpin is getting now that she's on tiktok and modeling like you cant be perfect victim for the masses jordan was brave, escaped, helped her siblings by calling the cops, they got rehomed but she's blamed bc she's modeling and living her life
HARD 👏 FACTS 👏👏👏 I’ve seen so many whining about her getting rich but like … really?! Would you really want to trade with her?! So you’d like that life for some money?!!! I’m sure she’d trade with any Joe Schmo if she could
@@JR-lw3ms She's horrible but also just society as a whole is fine to celebrate you until you actually get rich or something then they turn on you. I don't feel one bit bad for her that people are turning on her, but this comment is totally true.
Thank you for this video. Seeing the TikTokification of Gypsy Rose's public perception has made me feel like I'm going insane. I feel sick seeing the way people talk about her, both the stans and anti-stans. Your videos are an incredibly needed perspective.
Being from Austria, this of course reminds me of Natascha Kampusch - how she was treated by the public after her escape and her subsequent "fall from grace" because she wasn't "behaving like a victim". I think to this day people are making videos about how she is a fraud and whatnot. A lot of these TikToks about Gypsy basically say the exact same things that have been said about Natascha. So yeah, I'm not at all surprised by this situation but we as a society should definitely do better.
The issue is people have become so chronically online that this is all just a game to them. The commentary around her is saying a LOT more about the anti social epidemic in our society than Gypsie. We really can't say what kind of person she is or how she really feels or how we would react in this situation. Its incredibly complicated. Whats most concerning to me is the people jumping on this woman are fully grown people, most i would assume were not locked up and given meds and surgeries they didnt need. So im very disturbed by their behavjour. Millenials and gen Z need to grow the hell up. We desperately need reform on social media
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 she should get off social media then! I know what kind of person she is - I watched her interrogation and her hotel tapes with Nick! She is fully grown too!
@@JR-lw3msWhy should she get off social media she has every right to use it however she pleases. Your in every comment section on this video are you obsessed with her ? Cos it sure looks that way.
I feel bad for Gypsy. A lot of people have no compassion for her. I think that deep down, people feel like her mother's abuse wasn't "bad enough" to have her deserve to be killed, because it's a unique form of abuse that isn't talked about or seen as abuse. I know and have seen people (online or in person) who insist that her mom wasn't abusive or that she could've easily left her mom to avoid it. People seem to think that the only forms of child abuse out there are physical and sexual abuse (there are people there who even think that physical abuse is just discipline), because those types of abuse are more common and more talked about. More people can therefore symathize and understand why victims take drastic measures. So when people hear her say that she planned for her the killing of her mom, she felt like she had no other option, people think that she's just "making excuses" and "playing the victim (even though she literally is the victim)". When you never really heard about this kind of abuse and think it's "not as bad" AND you have the inability to empathize with people to understand situations you yourself have never been in, you refuse to listen to the victim and just think that their reaction is "too much". Whether it was her idea or not, I think becoming an influencer and going to all of these interviews right after being released from prison was a bad idea. It's understandable that she did this right away, as the idea of fame sounds exciting and it was probably pushed so she could both spread awareness and make money in the process, but I think that I wouldn't be able to handle the inevitable scritiny I'd get if I was in her shoes. The fact that she became a celebrity in this very complicated and tragic situation is not healthy for anyone.
People in Hollywood made her famous (or infamous). Why shouldn’t she use that exploitation of her trauma and crime to build her career? The girl needs to eat. People’s reaction demonstrate how no woman is allowed to be a flawed victim. Worse yet, this kind of expected continuous self flagellation from ex cons after they’ve done their time is one of the reasons recidivism rates are so high. Let the people who paid their dues live.
I have no opinion on the woman herself but in reality, manipulation is in fact often a tool favoured by those who have not been educated. Education gives you other tools to succeed in life. Certainly, there is no correlation between education and manipulation.
DeeDee Blanchard was a master manipulator and who do children learn the most from? Gypsy probably did pick up some manipulative and narcissistic tendencies from her upbringing. She's still the victim of some of the most heinous abuse we've ever heard of and needs help and support to heal and move past it.
I’m very recognising of your (beautiful) ability to see the complex nuances in things. How you consider different factors & how you may even empathise without condoning or agreeing with certain things. I wish we were all a little bit more like you.
There is something to be said about the para social relationship that people have with individuals they have championed for and the entitlement they feel they are owed to their lives/ recovery. The same thing happened with Britney Spears and free Britney. We become so invested in freeing Britney from her family (after treating her like sh*t in the media for years) and then becoming obsessed with Britney after she was given her freedom and autonomy back. Which is ironic because it’s like we still want to control her 😂 Loved the video ❤ I think Gypsy was the extreme example of murder by self defence which in my opinion makes her innocent. I also think that children are a large minority group that have limited rights and are easy to abuse and mistreat.
when someone has control over you and is constantly gaslighting you... you're not thinking straight. that's why she acted the way she did. but is it a good idea for her to become a celebrity? honestly Idk
All these expectations from random people towards others on the internet they don't even personally know, scares me. Tell me why all these people who were like 'Why don't I feel obsessed with her like I was?" sound CRAZY to me. Like baby grill, the fact you were obsessed with a stranger to begin with is what's wrong. YOU had these expectations. She is not a character from a series you watch on the weekends.
Mean girls need to put down their phones or just keep scrolling. Why do people have to comment? They’re just trying to use her trending name to build their own internet clout. So who’s the narcissist now?
I noticed that too when the makeup lady came up - why do all these lowlife shittalkers who clearly have never been through anything or overcome anything in their lives always have to give their thoughtless takes while doing their makeup? do they not realize that just hammers in the thoughtless aspect of their take?
Welcome to what men have been saying for a LONG time. Anytime you see the kind of makeup like these girls here, we already know she's got serious issues.
Dude she was horrifically abused for YEARS!!! just let gypsy live her life, let her learn and grow. She was robbed of so much by someone who was supposed to love and protect her. Just wish her good luck and leave her alone.
I think of what Gypsy did as self-defense-in-slow-motion. Not only was her mother severely psychologically abusing her, for their entire time together--her mother was killing her slowly with medical abuse. Victims of Munchausen by proxy can end up being killed by their abusers. Her mother was starving her, medicating her with medications she didn't need, subjecting her to numerous unnecessary surgeries--and surgeries all come with the chance of death. Gypsy was being killed in slow motion by her abuser, and she acted in self defense. I avoid TikTok so I wasn't even aware of people suddenly turning the tables on her; just because they don't see her as a "perfect victim"--god forbid she live her life now that she's free and actually able to live her own life. The person who mentioned that their mother in prison with Gypsy thought Gypsy was "lame" was especially... idk funny or disheartening. Thank you for bringing attention to this, everything you have to say about it is so well thought out, so perfectly on point. And it's so important that you've brought up people infantilizing Godejon--like he didn't have fantasies about r*pe and m*rder before he even met Gypsy that he wanted to act on. He could have said "come live with me and we'll call the police on your mom to expose all of her fraud and abuse" but he wanted to live out his sick fantasies. He made his choice. He wanted to r*pe Gypsy's mom while m*rdering her, but Gypsy begged him not too, and offered herself to be r*ped by him instead. It was brutal and painful for her. I think it could even be argued that Godejon preyed on Gypsy--as someone who was abused and victimized by her primary caregiver, she was an easy target for someone else to step in with control and abuse. She recounted that during the brief time she lived with him, he controlled what she was allowed to do, what she had to wear and what she could eat, etc. He was not some innocent victim, he's a sick individual in his own ways. Gypsy has said that she was in therapy while incarcerated and will probably need therapy for the rest of her life--not only to process her deep and layered trauma, but also to unlearn her mother's indoctrination. She knows that her mother taught her to be manipulative, she has said she doesn't want to be like her mother. She is healing, she is growing, she is learning and unlearning--she just happens to be doing it in the public eye. People need to give her some grace.
I really loved how you broke down everything. You are correct, in the public eye she really is in the "damned if you do and damned if you don't". I think people expect too much and don't understand what years of trauma does to the brain. Also, if she seems like she's performing, that's literally her entire childhood - young adult life. It's what her mom created, you don't undo something like that in a short period of time. This is the first video I've watched and not be annoyed. ❤
You have such an amazing way of speaking and I love it. This video made perfect sense to me when I sometimes have a hard time understanding what people are saying.
Haven’t had a chance to jump into Gypsy Rose since her release, so I’m excited to watch this and see where people are coming from. Interesting topic thank you for sharing!
Gypsy had very little choice but to be famous. She has a very strange, very public story. Luckily she managed to make some bank on it because it’s highly unlikely that she would be allowed to pursue a regular career in peace until the fame cycle winds down. I understand that the influencers who judge her don’t understand why Gypsy gets all the stuff they want - fame, interviews, paparazzi. Though only people who have never encountered paparazzi think that’s a bonus. As to the voice, Gypsy had to impersonate a 7 year old into adulthood. When she has time she might do some voice training, but for now I think her voice is fine (less annoying than the voices of many influencers). P.S. That dude in the light blue pullover asking questions for the podcast needs to learn to ask a question and let the interviewer answer rather than repeat the question over and over and suggest the answers he would give (over and over).
A lot of these concerns were actually brought up towards the end of Mommy Dead and Dearest. When a person spends their whole life being raised by a serial liar and manipulator its likely that the person will have soaked up and internalized those qualities themselves. I think Gypsy’s Dad and Stepmom seem like good people and I hope they can help ground her.
@@Ausgar-yc1ylShe had a painful muscle biopsy she didn't need so having part of your muscle taken away is what ? She had her salivary glands removed when she didn't need to, what would you call that ?
Thank you for talking about that false pro mental health attitude. I work in community mental health and it's so clear that people want those who have suffered to just go away and stop making everyone so uncomfortable. It's really hard to watch. Those who have gone through severe trauma are not going to match tiktoks idea of normal. It's so much more complicated than that.
I was waiting for the other shoe to drop.Didnt think it would be this fast :[ It's sad hearing people call her a narc. People who have the most problems are usually the ones calling people (WHO ARENT NARCS) narcs.
i feel like too many people drop that word like it's nothing. from my experience, in order to really tell if someone's a narc, you have to know them in depth. you have to know how they act in front of others vs in private. you have to know their personality in depth. it is very very difficult to tell someone's a narc just by online research. you do not actually know that person.
Thank you for changing my mind. I was really influenced by all of the TikTok videos talking negatively about Gypsy, and I see now that I needed another perspective. Thank you ❤
Once again you have hit so many nails right on the head! I really think we live in a time where our disconnection from ourselves is getting the best of us in almost every aspect of modern life . We lift others up only to tear them down when they don’t act how we want them to act?? Not only that, to sit there and judge this random women and saying you would never have taken the route she did is just pure virtue signaling, how ridiculous to not know that you, as a human are capable of so much good but at the same time so much bad.... God these tiktokers drive me nuts. Once again thank you so much for your work and this new videos!
So bloody right. And we'll see the harm this global ill gossiping will take our future generations. Just trying to imagine if our great grandparents had the chance to do exactly this and acted the same way, where would we be now?? It's scares the sh*t out of me
@@Ilovebirdgag god me too, it’s worrying for sure !🤦♂️ Good news is you (I assume) and I aren’t caught up in this whirlwind of hypothetical ways we SHOULD be living/acting, and that’s about the best I could ask for at this point idk 🤷♂️
@@Zombiezay Yes, this very idea is something I keep reminding myself so I don't feel depressed about it. Have you ever heard from the Bible when people were throwing rocks (lapidating) at someone and then Jesus came and had to bring people to their senses because we all sin? I'm just mentioning this to point out that after all these years we have only evolved to be able to "lapidate" on a global scale. This habit isn't dying out any time soon.
At the end when she will fall low society will come to believe they didn't treat her fair and will start loving her again. You won't be allowed to criticize. Happened to Britney Spears recently. Sometimes it happens after the death of a celebrity like in the case of Anna Nicole-Smith, Diana princess of Wales and Marilyn Monroe.
This is the best take on the human experience that I have ever heard. How dare someone not be the person that I make them up to be in my mind. How dare you not show growth, remorse, love, hunger as I think you should. Well done.
Yes yes yes you said everything I was thinking. This is such a great video, it is maddening how people feel the need to go to either side of crazy extremes.
I genuinely hope she got an accountant and set herself up for financial security. I'd love for her to absolutely thrive and continue growing, in whatever ways she thinks are best for her. ❤
“I get she didn’t want any repercussions like when she was tied to the bed that one time ” girl what??? This poor woman had been abused all her life, declared mentally unfit so she couldn’t really leave even if she wanted too.
They were happy painting this weird narrative only from watching the Hulu show and not actual documentaries of her speaking on the case. They viewed her as they do a lot of true crime cases of glorifying and making a celebrity out of real people and real trauma, and as soon as that fantasy of what they build up isn't going the way they want it to they tear them down. They've completely separated the fact that this is real, this was a terrible traumatic thing to happen in someone's actual life that they view through a lens of tv when its an actual victim with actual trauma put on a pedestal they didnt even ask for. It's gross and says/shows a lot about how true crime is viewed by many people today. It's ingested as some sort of horror movie and not something thats REAL, these are REAL people. I hope shes able to continue to heal and adjust the best she can, continue to speak her story/truth as she should be able to now and continue to have support through something that was very traumatizing.
People are really hooked on this thinking that anyone who has done something bad is a bad person, period. Everyone is criticizing her for doing the shows and not a single person is criticizing the SHOWS. That they are still watching and listening to for hours a day.
the aura one reeeally was so hard to watch omg. The way she smiled while gypsy was talking about something most people in this world could never relate to and talk about how she can see her manipulative blue aura is so insane to me. Privilliged people really seem to never undestand that there is no one right way to be a victim. But ofc just say her aura is the wrong colour, thats must be the problem
What a great video and analysis. I have always admired your way of explaining things. I just see her as someone that is learning how the world knows and that she has every right to share her story however she wants.
i had a LOT of empathy for gypsy when I heard her story years ago, and i was happy she was released. she went through a traumatic childhood and then into an overall traumatic prison system, so however she acts, she is not coming from a place of health. she needs to get help and heal. remember that this is her first time of freedom in her entire life. so whatever she does, it's all new. let her learn and grow. we should be forgiving of someone who had such a difficult life. edit- i'm seeing a lot of people saying that gypsy's ex boyfriend who actually committed the murder should be released since she was. so gypsy was charged with 2nd degree murder and a 10 year sentence while her ex was charged with 1st degree murder and a life sentence. this is because gypsy orchestrated the murder but her ex actually carried it out. gypsy was released 8 years into her 10 year sentence, basically doing the time she was given. there is a conversation to be had about if the ex's charges are actually fair considering gypsy was trying to escape abuse. on one hand, people can say it was justified because she was being abused. on the other hand, he did take someone's life, knowing fully it was wrong. and he did it in quite a violent way. i think his case will be reviewed eventually, but it is an interesting moral question.
Oh don't jump on the semantics of jail. I understand your thought process Jess. When I watched some crime documentary years ago I didn't like that he got such a long sentence. If she was self defense wasn't he committing a crime in defense of someone else? He does some to have some issues that would make it hard to tell if he would reoffend again (from what I hear) but yeah I think they'll look his case over again. Maybe he can get moved to a place that will help him
i honestly predicted that a lot of people on the internet would turn their backs on gypsy. not so hard to predict when it happens to a lot of people who gain rise in popularity
@@JR-lw3ms bro why are you all over the comments section hating on Gyspy. Did you watch the video or are you seeking out any media on the topic and simply trolling? Hmm maybe spend ur time elsewhere!
@@littleguy8714That's a troll she's all over the comments section on this video. I've seen her on other videos to do with Gypsy writing the same things think she's obsessed lol.
I think people are very jealous of her success, and also jealous of her ability to live through so much adversity and emerge intelligent, articulate, stylish, happily married. She seems like a talented woman. However she may feel about her crime or her mother is no body's business.
@@victorybeginsinthegarden I agree with the above comment people are jealous of so many things her huge following the money she's earnt the fact she has a man that loves her, her ability to talk so eloquently in interviews and the fact she's not a crying mess but a strong woman facing life head on people don't like to see anyone winning.
Gypsy and the whole world have to adapt to her release from prison. This has already shown a great insight into human behaviour. Thank you for your video ❤
I don't know if you should say that lol. Idk if all these people rallying for imperfect victim Gypsy Rose would be willing to stand behind imperfect victim Amber Heard
often people think that when someone has a hard life it automatically makes them a kind compassionate person or like that everyone with disability is a very good person it doesn't work like that sometimes trauma just brakes you sometimes you were just born not a very nice human bad things happen to bad people too ( i don't know if gypsy was a bad person I'm just saying it happens)
Listening to a lot of people in those clips showed me how ignorant people can be in general. The amount of people that were inaccurately quoting Gypsy Rose, or taking clips out of context to prove thier point, and clearly know NOTHING about how dangerous Nick actually was/is shows they just saw some stuff about her and for some weird reason latched onto her as "fans" or someone to use for content. Also, the people using 'The Act' as evidence of anything about the real Gyspy Rose's behavior is extremely ridiculous. It would be like me saying I didn't like Elizabeth Holmes and Sunny because I watched 'The Dropout' 🙄🤦🏾♀️
There is the case of natasha kampush, a girl who was held hostage in a cellar for a very long time after being abducted and when she finally could flee, her abductor k*lled himself. For a short while, everyone was rooting for her but then the tone started shifting, because she was enjoying life too the fullest, experiencing all the pleasures the world could offer instead of mourning at home and somehow, austrian society (and also german and swiss society, since we share a language and there was a generally bigger media coverage about it in these countries) could not handle it and soooo many people startied treating her absolutely horribly, saying hat somehow she wanted this and blaming her for everything. Absolutely horrible.
We wouldnt blame a woman who was being beaten and brutalized by her partner, for killing the partner in self defense. I do see Gypsies situation in a much similar light even if her mother had a mental illness. Her mother had police, doctors and pretty much the world convinced of Gypsies "illnesses". I dont think taking the life of another person should be an option period. However I can imagine situations where people dont see any other way out. Much like those who take their own lives see no other way out. So saying "Oh she should have just gone to the police" is like telling someone who has depression to just "Cheer Up". Also if we dont allow someone to reform and redeem themselves then there really is no point to prisons (I do mean that in a idealistic sense as alot of prisons are just slave labour camps), you may as well just end all offenders when found guilty. To me reform looks like being integrated back into society and the community. Not sequestered away on some farm out of sight out of mind. Also at the end of the day we should never assume what we would do in a situation we have never been in. Chances are it would be the opposite to what you 'Imagined'. That all said I still do think Gypsy needed to face punishment for her part played in the murder or her mother. She has spent her time in prison but will also now face the rest of her life with this hanging over her head in all situations. Much like she is facing now. Which Im sure will die down come the next new shiny thing for this tiktok generation to latch on to.
This is hands down the best video you've ever made and I'm sad it doesn't have more likes and views - this is a lesson that a LOT of people need to learn as they go around in pseudovictimhood trashing actual victims of horrific life stories.
It makes me feel weird how many people are almost infantilizing Godejohn. Yes, he has autism. Yes, he has a lower IQ. But he still knew that what was wrong and right. And him saying how he wanted to rape the corpse of Gypsy's mom is just vile.
It is perplexing that everyone expects "heros" to be perfect. There literally is not a single person of substance or accomplished anything of substance in our past or present that was/is perfect. And it is ok to respect and honor the positive things while acknowledging the shortcomings. I also think we should be able to understand and appropriately denigrate those that use altruism to scrub their heinous deads.
It’s so gross to see all of these “adults” be jealous because she’s getting attention. Let’s be real that’s why they need to tear her down. The girl was tortured by her mother for most of her life and now she’s making the best of what’s happened. My guess is that most of these people are dogging her because they feel some kind of way about her being able to actually get away from her abuser. Sometimes when people have a trauma, and they overcome that, it makes other people who did not have their trauma seen or acknowledged very angry and jealous. Elizabeth Smart talks about encountering this with people after she was rescued as well.
Wow, this video really made me think, and examine my own reactions, and the deeper motivations behind them. This video is by far the most nuanced, thoughtful and compassionate take on Gypsy Rose as a social media phenomenon, and as an imperfect human, that I have seen so far. We can be a victim and victimizer, someone who is self aware in some ways yet blind to other parts of ourself. We can be a well meaning advocate while still having manipulative tendencies.
thank you for making this! Someone needed to say it! It is so wild, that people are going through the effort of making tiktoks telling people to pay less attention to gypsy rose..... - do they not see the irony?
Thank you for this detailed, balanced analysis. It is much appreciated. I think she has a relatively short window period to make her $$$ and that's what she is doing. I can't blame her for that. Fingers crossed for her that she can manage her resources and lead a comfortable life. I would be interested to know how she's doing 3-5 years from now when she's out of the spotlight.
I'll say it again, you are one of the most emotionally intelligent creators I have ever encountered. You have changed my perspective on a number of issues because of your well-rounded and even minded discussions of topics that get so caught up in the roar of the internet that it is impossible what to feel or who to believe. Thank you kindly for the videos you create, they really are like no others
Anyone that claims that they would never commit murder under ANY circumstances is either lying, stupid, or unimaginative.
Yup, it’s giving “I wouldn’t be depressed, I’d just ✨smile✨”
exactly. many people have killed for their kids, their own and their friends safety. why is her finally freeing herself from a lifetime of abuse so bad to these overgrown children? clearly have been privileged their entire lives to an insane degree to not get it. her mother was evil. 0 sympathy. gypsy also went and did the time for her crime and never made murder a good thing in general, just that it was her way out. you cant blame her for reaching that point, she necer even used it as an excuse. people genuinely are so heartless.
@wastednibjadude Say it again for the people in the back. They could say 'I don't want to be in that situation' or 'I never want that feeling'. I can respect that but coming in with the 'I would never' bs? Please🙄.
@@ahnhyungseobhaveyoulearnth8286 Agreed and the reason she is out is that she didn’t actually kill her mother. What’s missing from all these people’s TikToks about it is Nicholas Godejohn’s agency. No one forced him to kill.
Me, I believe the mother was dead before NICK GOT THERE!! And she then had to put nick there!!
Her mother had become ill 🤒 she was in a wheelchair herself on disability high blood pressure and diabetes ect nobody talk about it!! If gyby didn't kill the fraud 😤 would be found out
the internet is fucking horrible to survivors. how out of touch with reality are we to treat a real victim like a fictional character godddd
Look at the true crime industry where peoples suffering is just another form of entertainment.
I think it's because the internet allows them to forgot she's a real person.
@@somethingclever8916they treat peoples gruesome murders and abuse like it’s just casual entertainment, they derive joy from watching people put on makeup while telling stories like they’re just that, stories, and not some poor souls suffering.
She stopped being a survivor when she manipulated a mentally challenged man into killing her mother, got off with the ridiculously light prison sentence, has zero remorse about what she's done, and is making money off her crime!
It's not just the Internet
This is what happens when we consume True Crime as entertainment. "Fans" analyze and speculate over real life victims (and their loved ones) like they are characters on a Ryan Murphy show. Anyone with a Reddit account is now a self proclaimed expert on forensic psychology (and ironically, diagnose everyone else around them narcissism). It's creating so much paranoia and a startling lack of empathy.
This!!
As someone who has criminology and forensic science degrees I hate the phrase ‘true crime’. It creates an aura of it being a story with characters instead of being the horrific reality of real people. It’s disgusting. You’re not an expert because you binge ‘true crime’ media. If you’re so interested, get an education in it.
I actually don’t think jealousy is a big factor at all. You have to understand that young people are incredibly supportive of Gypsy. They want her to have the fame and money- as long as she continues to be the infantile version they’ve come to expect. They aren’t jealous, they’re annoyed.
100% I don't think it should be a form of entertainment at all. If people want to study criminology, criminal psychology, criminal law, or research those things then by all means go and do that, but throwing this kind of information at the general public leads to mass ignorance turning into mass toxicity.
I study psychology, so I live inside a world of research, it's all out there and available if people were willing to go and look for accurate information but people want shock value and hate and gossip as opposed to them having a genuine interest.
@@ciaraskeleton I understand that for many people criminology - which is really what true crime is - is fascinating and that’s fine. But people get so numb when they just watch true crime content. The fact that random people on the internet are looking up autopsy photos or crime scene photos/video out of morbid curiosity disgusts me. A lot try to claim it’s educational but unless you’re studying it at school you don’t have the necessary education to understand what you’re looking at, or reading when it comes to people accessing autopsy reports.
I think it’s so dehumanising to gawk at photos and video of victims for no reason other than morbid curiosity and those people are just lying to themselves that their motive is education.
I would never seek out crime scene photos and autopsy photos for a case I find interesting. It robs victims of their dignity and personhood and re-victimises them and turns them into essentially modern day freak shows where people gawk and stare at something potentially grotesque.
Even though I am interested in criminology, my primary thought with content is ‘does this respect the victim? Does it respect their loved ones? Does it glamourise the guilty party? Does it use minimising language?’
It’s why I generally avoid content about serial killers, because it’s never about the victims. It’s always putting the killers front and centre, which is why they get groupies on a level murderers who commit a single offence rarely get.
She literally had her teeth rot/pulled and her saliva glands amputated. I'd be angry too.
This! If I were her, I’d be afraid for my life. I wouldn’t feel like I could just walk away, I’d worry she’d kill me if I were caught. Honestly I would need to find a way to leave that I was sure wouldn’t allow her to catch me.
Removed not amputated.
From what I've seen and heard, he didn't have her salivary glands removed. She had botox done on them, which is temporary.
Yes they tried saving the glands with Botox but in the end they were removed.
She has issues speaking and constantly clearing her throat because she is dry.
She says she is scared of annoying people and has to constantly hydrate
SO?
Gypsy Rose is the most normal person possible for someone who went through what she went through
If she's traumatized that's no excuse. Fucking Jeffree Dahmer was abused but that doesn't excuse not one, two, or the dozens of murders he committed.
Its the same social dynamic after Nayascha Kampus was locked in a basement for 8 years. ruclips.net/video/YMCoeBG0GUo/видео.html
THANK YOU
absolutely
right???
People doing their makeup while moralizing about this is WILD
I feel like every hateful anti-stan tiktok I’ve ever seen was like that 😂 doing the makeup while just saying the foulest things
I’ve been saying this for years finally someone gets it 😭
There are True Crime makeup thots all over RUclips, it's obnoxious.
Idk what people expect from someone who was held captive and abused her entire life, and then spent eight years in prison.
this! she needs help and support, access to therapy not their judgement
totally agree. she's been held captive her whole life so obviously the transition to freedom is going to be rocky. people should realize that the way she's acting is because of her life experiences. just because normal people wouldn't do what she's doing... well normal people have had vastly different experiences.
She should, like, do better. 🙃
Indeed, Gypsy doesnt know what normal is.
People NEED content. Smh 🤦🏾♀️
this reminds me of what happened with Britney Spears! you got everyone yellin "free Britney" for YEARS and then once she's free and doing her own thing and posting "weird cringy" videos online NOW she has a problem.
I always call out my friends on that, if julia fox or like another weird celeb posted those videos no one would bat an eye, there's a lot of prejudice against victims
Bet you didn't give a shit about Britney when she was in crisis 20 years ago!
@@JR-lw3msNot everyone is ancient like you. Why are you commenting everywhere hating on a victim of munchaussen by proxy? You’re a weirdo
@JR-lw3ms you’re under most of these comments spewing some of the most vile shit. If you’re not going to actually educate yourself around her case & have some empathy, maybe because you have absolutely no scope of what this woman went through - I beg you please sit this one out. Your lack of self awareness is astounding and victim blaming in all these comments just makes you seem so uneducated and ignorant. Do better, you’re meant to be a grown adult.
@@JR-lw3ms And bet you don't give a shi#t about all the disgusting things being said about Gypsy do you ? So don't be a hypocrite.
This reminds me of the treatment of Natascha Kampusch, a woman who was kidnapped as a child, locked in until young adulthood until she could finally break free, and her treatment in Austria, where she’s from and all of it happened. She didn’t kill anybody but public opinion sort of turned against her when she didn’t play into what the public expected a victim to be like. By which I mean she chose to talk about her experiences publicly, with confidence people didn’t expect from someone who didn’t see any daylight in her formative years.
The public‘s reaction made me feel sick to my core. People doubting her suffering, even doubting her kidnapping. I hope that Natascha Kampusch is in a good place now. I hope that she’s at peace
A close friend was abused severely by her father it took her 5 years to put him in jail cause the police said she turned out so normal for the things that were done to her. Two wrongs don’t make a right, she didn’t choose murder she actually still had love in her heart. Because like Gypsy mum he was a monster but still a father. And it makes me wonder about her dynamic with her mother, she went along with a lot of it and I don’t think it was the same abuse my friend went through but knowing how someone who is a monster but also takes care of the person they are abusing the kid is more like Natascha or my friend- being normal but abused in the most horrific ways that people don’t understand. They didn’t turn to murder because they’re still normal and good humans.
It’s so interesting how everyone seems to have an authority on these very rare types of suffering and what they *should* look like. For most of us, the only idea or perception we get about this type of trauma comes from TV/movies. In other words, fiction. So where do people get off with this type of analysis? The “body language experts” all over social media are especially infuriating. 😑
The woman in Australia whose baby was eaten by a Dingo had the same issue. People thought she hurt the baby because she didn’t cry (even though she was advised not to). You can’t win in the court of public opinion. 😢
@@LoneWulf278 yeah I do think it’s normal for everyone to have opinions, theory’s etc just like Gypsy Rose has her thoughts and opinions on how to handle abuse and what constitutes a being a murderer- I don’t know if it’s authoritarian or just perspective. Like I mentioned people found it hard to believe my friend because she didn’t have the normal behavior of someone with the severity of what was done to her even the police and law. The police literally said to her she should be on drugs according to what she said happened to her- so if police do it then…
It is interesting though and guess that’s where psychology comes into it.. don’t know about all the RUclipsrs but I find it interesting how we all go on about psychology yet when it comes to using it, then we get told they don’t know, it’s wrong.. so what is it? Does psychology matter, is it real or is it only something we need to try and prove something that suits our narrative? So we have so called solid evidence and makes us “right”
Gypsy Rose was the perfect victim - in prison.
We apparently can't accept that shes now an average person trying their best, as one does.
time and time again it shows that the public will feel more empathy for the abuser than the abused.
She says she was abused! But she is a proven liar and manipulator!
Wait.. which... who... ? You realize there's only one person dead here, right? Gypsy was never abused, she was in on the scam, which defines it as NOT Munchhausen by proxy. She also faked everything well into adulthood, also making it decidedly not Munchhausen.
exactly
Then play stupid when abusers get away with it for years
there isn't a perfect victim. terminally-online people are really too obsessed with the public image of a child abuse victim, whose story THEY sensationalized. and they're treating her abuse, and her current attitude, like some old-fashion beauty-guru youtuber drama. take accountability for what? she already served her time.
i saw the most idiotic video the other day lambasting Gypsy for ::checks notes:: purchasing a puppy instead of adopting one from a shelter. the person was like “THIS IS THE LAST STRAW, GYPSY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER!” and i’m like . . . ????? this girl has been in prison for the last decade and you’re FURIOUS she’s not DOG WOKE and that’s your “LAST STRAW” and you’ve “HAD IT” with Gypsy Rose??? omg BFFR. some of these people would be utterly unemployable if not for the Outrage Industrial Complex.
GR is a disgusting monster inside and out!
I'd judge everyone else involved with getting the dog more than Gypsy considering they should know better but of course no one will do that
yessss because “adopt don’t shop” is always the correct choice, and i’m sure a dog with potential behavioral issues would be a great fit in her new family. i’m sorry but if you have the short sightedness to blindly spout that rhetoric, i don’t trust that person to make broad sweeping character judgements of abuse survivors
eta cause watching live: malshi is a cringe “breed” considering it’s just a mixed breed but this is about the principle lol
Shelters in the United States of America are full of pit bulls that no one really wants.
Shelters in the United States of America are full of pit bulls that no one really wants, so I can’t blame people for wanting a more desirable purebred or mixed breed dog.
Those people who were saying “she could have just walked away” have a fundamental misunderstanding of not only abusive relationships but abusive parental relationships that include isolation. She was under-educated, isolated, and had no actual interaction with the real world. When you live in that situation, you don’t know how to leave, you don’t know that you can leave, you don’t know the true extent of the abuse. I wanted out growing up (fundamentalist Christian and homeschooled) but I didn’t have or know a way out. I didn’t fully know the extent of the abuse until I left around 19. I was afraid of the world, and the devil I knew was safer than the vilified world outside
Her entire world was shaped by the person abusing her!! These people are extremely short sighted
@@EmoNinja1155 Sadly i think they may just be stupid
please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Gypsy also try to escape at least once?
@@doIIsparts Yes she did, and her mother tied her to the bed for it... But according to the tiktok "specialists" think she should have just strolled out the door 🤦🏾♀️
@@AngeliqueElijah absolutely ridiculous for those people to claim that. They have no idea what it’s like to be in her situation. She even says now if she had known a different way out she would have taken it
Can we stop glorifying mothers even if they are bad mothers? People talking shit about her because of how she managed to get out of an abusive situation also try to discount the abuse she went through because it was done by her mother. People fail to understand that by the time you realize your mother is not a good mom, you go through a massive grieving process. Your entire belief system over the one person that was meant to protect you is flipped upside-down. DeeDee was a horrible mom, and while no one deserves to die like that, Gypsy did what she could to leave a situation where the abuse would've eventually killed her. She's not a master manipulator, she's a victim of abuse.
Right? Like, yes, being a mom is a hard job in and of itself, but that doesn't insinuate any kind of honor, credit, or brownie points.
Yup all of this.
Her mum was obviously very mentally unwell. I do believe she would have killed Gypsy in the end
DeeDee was abused just like she abused Gypsy. Doesn't look like anyone helped Deedee either. This is such a complicated situation that saying simple things doesn't always cover it.
Right? And like there are so many songs and movies about women killing their abusive husbands or boyfriends and it’s seen as empowering, but Gypsy’s an unforgivable manipulator be abuse her abuser was her mother and not a man
It’s not like she could just get a job at McDonald’s or something. There’s no way her life will ever be normal because of the media coverage in this story even before she was released. I imagine she’s being compensated with all the media appearances. Not to mention the fact that she was socially isolated for the entirety of her developmental years and was in PRISON for almost a decade following that…
Thisss, she is doing her life the way she can.
But she really wasn't that isolated. She's always been in the public eye, even as a child. She thrives on attention.
@@Denise_Suzanne She's always been in the public eye for what? She got attention, why? Do you envy what she appeared to have, even at the enormous cost? I must envy you if you have never had to imagine feeling isolated, voiceless, or alone with people around you.
I disagree, I think with her name she could have gotten a job much easier than the average convict. Her choice to do media is just a choice and seeing as financial analysts believe she has made around 3 Million at this point then media is the to go if money is what is most important to her. I just don't think "what else was she supposed to do?" is a valid argument. Like I said she could have found work easier, a lot easier than the average convict. But if your choice is minimum wage at Lowes (known to be willing to hire convicts) or 3 Million in 3 weeks on social media which one are you going to pick?
... She was eductated properly while on prision. Do you really think is that easy getting a "normal" job when you didn't have the chance to access education and development like the other kids? She was abused and didn't have the same socialization as most of us. Maybe you can have this view, but you don't have the same world perception as her. Maybe growing around cameras made her think that this is the best or only option to sustain herself, and heal, and explore the world. But the point is that we don't know.
Humans are extremely complex and we cannot judge people that easily.
It is absolutely ridiculous to me to see adults who have had all opportunity to grow and know the world judge the way in which someone who was isolated and SEVERELY abused for their entire 23 years of life goes about escaping their situation. Anyone's opinions about how they think she should have went about dealing with her situation are irrelevant because you are speaking from the perspective of a most likely relatively educated free adult and she escaped from the perspective of an uneducated prisoner being actively poisoned, beat, and even cut up surgically. Who, by the way, had already tried to escape peacefully before.
This is the most problematic aspect of "mental illness as an identity". People that are less severely afflicted or afflicted in more "presentable ways" come to represent those categories and so mentally ill people who don't fit that new mold are just cast off as "bad people, not because they're mentally ill, because that's alright, but because they're just bad people".
@@JacquesMayhoff
Unironically, “real” trauma is still stigmatized. We didn’t actually change anything, we just categorized normal life problems as “trauma” (which are problems that people can generally cope with) and then proceeded to blame truly mentally Ill people for not having the “strength of character” to survive their trauma the same way all of the “trauma-lite” people do.
“Gypsy Rose cant get a free pass. I had a shitty boyfriend for three months and I didn’t become a piece of shit.”
Mental health “awareness” matters and is okay if it’s only moderate depression and anxiety lol. If you have anything worse than that these people don’t care and will eat you alive.
@@ImortalZeus13
"Trauma-lite" is such a good way to put it. These people judging Gypsy Rose are the same people who will claim their mothers were "abu*ive narcissists" because they made them eat vegetables and limited their internet time growing up.
@@ImortalZeus13 I don't think it's anyone's place to look at someone else's experience and decide what impact it had on them. Whether or not "people can generally cope with" something doesn't mean that we get to say that anyone not coping well with that thing isn't "really" traumatized. Looking at one traumatic event that someone experienced doesn't tell you what they may have gone through previously or what mental health issues may affect how they cope. Categorizing someone's trauma as "trauma-lite" is judging them in exactly the same way you say "real" traumatized people are being criticized for struggling. No one should be telling anyone else how they SHOULD be coping, regardless of how severe we deem their trauma to be.
Telling a victim how they should’ve done BETTER is crazyyyyy smh
Literally!
She ain't a victim though!
@@JR-lw3msthat’s the reason all this happened. She was victim of her mother.
SHE IS. & she is a survivor.@@JR-lw3ms
@@JR-lw3ms How do you work that out ? Please explain how she's not a victim ?
37:27 Whenever I hear anyone say "I'm the most empathetic person I know" I'm immediately ready for them to be very unempathetic people.
I've known people who say this outloud and always act opposite to what they believe of themselves. Most empathetic people are aware of their limitations for empathy (due to undertanding they have never experienced what the other person has and possibly never will). Because of that, they fear not being empathetic enough and would never call themselves "the most empathetic person".
Yeah anyone who proclaims that they’re an “empath” is such a massive red flag. Don’t walk, just run 🏃♀️ 🚩
If Gypsy became another un-reformed criminal who was rejected by communities and unable to integrate back in society, like many former incarcerated people have been, then she would be the 'perfect victim' by fitting the role of the bittersweet ending of another true crime tale. So we could all cry how she deserved so much better.
People are hypocrites. Empty sympathies and not an ounce of understanding or help for someone navigating life after abuse.
And when the victim gets the happy ending that "they deserve", those same people turn on them. Snakes...
She's LITERALLY a victim. It's not having a victim complex to have compassion for yourself after someone abuses you unimaginably.
No when u suvive u are then a suvivour of abuse ur not anyones victim once its over she also made somone her victim in the process u can be both suvivour and manipulator to suvive
@@PixelTheExtraTerrestrialthat’s not how human psychology works… she’s a victim of long term abuse unnecessarily at the hands of her mothers mental illness.
She is literally NOT!
@@JR-lw3msthe fuck u mean she’s not?
@@JR-lw3msoh yeah, have u lived her life? Stfu
True crime has truly rotted the brains of these people. They want her to be their entertainment then get mad when she acts like a human and doesn't follow their fanfiction script. So they have to create this narrative of her being manipulative to continue their fantasy stories. It's so disgusting.
Wait… you’re surprised that Gypsy is manipulative? She was raised by a master manipulator. Of course she learned how to be manipulative.
She needs a lot of mental health support. She has not had any experience with a normal way of life.
Usually our parents teach us how to be people as babies/ toddlers and how to be good/ decent people throughout childhood and beyond. Gypsy has had none of that. She has to learn how to be a genuine person from scratch after a lifetime of being abused and that has got to be intense.
@@NotJessHyou keep saying this everywhere but do you not understand she did get help in prison? It’s not great but she’s not her mom and acting like she’s out here becoming the manipulator is so weird. Yeah she probably has tendencies but so does literally everyone. I’m sure she’s still in therapy, but not wanting to make that super public considering it’s you know fucking therapy.
@@NotJessH You are the exact person I'm talking about. Keep your little fanfiction to yourself. You do not know this person at all; stop acting like you were her therapist.
@@NotJessH Keep in mind, her mother being manipulative, doesn't mean another for her.
@@NotJessHyou need therapy
Gypsy Rose can say that what she did was wrong, but what she and no one else will say is that she'd still be her mother's slave to this day if she hadn't done what she did. I know someone similar to Gypsy Rose. She had to wait for her mother to die, when she was already pushing forty. And afterwards, she was homeless because her mother ruined her credit and left her all of her debt. Why isn't anyone saying there should be assistance available specifically for adult children that escape abusive parents? The state is why Gypsy Rose had to do what she did. She probably got sent to prison to send a message to anyone else in the position: Be good kids and just let your parents end you.
?? What would be the motivation for abused adults to stay with their abusive parents? If anything, "they" would much rather the abused adult to break away and become a working adult, i don't see what the possible motivation could be otherwise lol
Well, she got sent to prison for orchestrating the murd3r of her mother.
That doesn’t negate the abuse she suffered at the hands of her mother but it’s absolutely illegal to recruit a mentally unstable young man to commit murd3r (youtube doesn’t like that word, so I’m typing it that way)
She had a cell phone and laptop to get into a relationship with Nick so she could have reached out to her father and step mother, the authorities, etc.
I have a lot of empathy for Gypsy. She had a terrible life at the hands of her mother. I see a ton of red flags with her. She’s manipulative like her mom. She needs so much therapy before she’s ready to be integrated into society.
This is why universal basic income is so important.
@@ash1eyrosetell me you’ve never been in an insanely abusive parental relationship without telling me you’ve never been in an insanely abusive parental relationship. How easy does being homeless sound to you? How about dealing with the very real likely hood you would have some form of disordered attachment to the long term abuser? And you gotta hope they LET you get a job and haven’t ruined your credit yet by taking out loans in your name to keep you financially dependent.
I agree with you. As someone who grew up abused and is studying to be a social worker, I’d love to create a program to help older teens/young adults escape their abusers. With tools on how to navigate adult hood with support (especially for those who’ve been parentified/infantilized)
Sick of folks throwing around the words "natcissist" and "sociopath". I JUST got my Bachelor's in psych and I wont even throw terms around like that. Oooooh it just makes my whole ass itch 😒💀💀
And as soon someone has a different view on things or themselves and tries to convince you of these views (because that's what people usually do when they disagree), they're "manipulating."💀
Narcissist is the most overused now. You can't show even a tiny bit of selfishness or be not-perfectly-kind for a hot minute without being labeled one.
Can we just appreciate the 36:30 quote: “I have so much self awareness” and, in the same breath follow it with saying: “I am literally one of the most empathetic people on the planet” and then proceed to compre her experience with a complete stranger’s saying she would NEVER DO THAT. What is going on words are losing meaning
Yeah, when someone calls themselves one of the most empathetic people on the planet or an empath, I laugh. They're usually not.
Yeah this person sounds stupid.
When trauma cause damage to your brain, development, skills, point of view not in a uwu way... like, what did they expect of a person who didn't have a before trauma period? I have cPTSD and it can take years and years to learn how to live, to learn how to find yourself inside all of these coping mechanism, symptoms, flashbacks... and, yeah, it can be really fck up, because it's trauma, it literally rewires your brain and affects your development.
It’s even worse for someone in her position bc she was literally cut off from the rest of the world. She didn’t live in the same reality of any of us and not a single one of us could ever possibly have any f-ing idea of what that would feel like. She lived in a fantasy that entire time bc her imagination- which was based entirely on crap from TV & movies mind you- was literally the only way she could actually experience genuine happiness. She didn’t KNOW anything else. It didn’t exist to her. There wasn’t any right or wrong. There wasn’t anyone there to teach her. I mean, not that killing someone in self defense is even remotely wrong lol, but that’s another issue entirely
And sometimes a person can become prone to rages and violence because of how trauma rewired their brain, It's pretty much trauma-induced brain damage to the areas of the brain responsible for emotional regulation and impulses. And aggression and irritability are remarkably common symptoms, but instead of trying to help these kinds of victims get the treatment and medication they need to become more calm and functional, society tells them to go die in a fire and that they don't deserve to be treated at all.
I saw this with a woman who had post partum psychosis. She cannibalized her baby alive, but she didn't know it was her baby, she was hallucinating and thought it was something else. She had asked for help when she first noticed bad symptoms but was ignored by doctors, and after the tragedy happened there was no shortage of people calling her evil and a psychopath and hoping she died as gruesomely as the baby, very few were saying she needed to be put in a psychiatric hospital and given proper treatment for her obvious mental disorder. Nobody gave a shit, they slapped the evil label and that was it.
God forbid a victim THRIVES after what they've horrifyingly been FORCED to endure.... Abuse that would break MOST...
How do you know everything she says happened is true?
@@JR-lw3ms I don't nor do I really have any kind of idolized support for her. I left my comment moreso in support GENERALLY for victims alongside the fact that I do actually believe the basis for which the case is about which is her mother abused/tortured her by forcing unneeded surgery & medications. I myself have gone through some pretty horrific abuse all throughout my life I guess I could've been less ambiguous in my comment, but that's basically where I'm coming from. I don't know her, I'm definitely not about to sit around analyzing hours up hours of videos/interviews 😂 because even that will never tell us the God's honest truth of all the other pieces to the puzzle.
BUT if she is in fact telling her perspective of the truth (which I am inclined to believe that her mother tortured & abused her) then I believe she is not necessarily undeserving of the extreme success & notoriety DUE to the horrible mistreatment because of an abuser's sick malice. it's the ultimate table turn that someone could seek to oppress you & try to parasitically dim/steal your light & sadistically harm you.... & you come out on top. at the very top at that.
outside of the core of her story which is the abuse/unneeded surgeries & adjacent medical treatment all of which I believe & there is obviously evidence for, I don't know whether the other pieces of the puzzle are true or not. I just feel like the core piece is what is the most important that I can respect enough to feel that she at least isn't necessarily undeserving of the success.
@@JR-lw3msBecause it's been verified.
You're right nothing ever happens and no one ever goes through these horrifying situations. All victims are liars and deserve to be spit on. Stop trolling the comments and get a life. May you never have to go through what many victims go through and then have people call you a liar. @@JR-lw3ms
5:50 "blue auras" is crazy
LITERALLY. That threw me off so hard
i got into spirituality over the past few years, but i HATE these pseudo spiritual BS-ers. i feel like they misunderstood the point of spirituality is to connect more with yourself and the world around you, not to be anti-scientific. there's just so much absolute garbage.
@@jesss101 same here I agree w you completely!
with her smug "i am such an intellectual" face too 💀 rolling her eyes and pointing at gypsy rose "manipulating" which is apparently just stating facts. like all that gypsy rose said was just... facts...
It’s so interesting how everyone seems to have an authority on these very rare types of suffering and what they *should* look like. For most of us, the only idea or perception we get about this type of trauma comes from TV/movies. In other words, fiction. So where do people get off with this type of analysis? The “body language experts” all over social media are especially infuriating. 😑
Body language as they do it isnt even scientific but i always feel like they treat it as such
I think you missed a big part of why young people turned on her so quickly . Many are jealous of her new fame and fortune. They won’t admit it because how could one be jealous of a victim of abuse? But secretly they want the “overnight” fame she achieved by doing “nothing” in their eyes
good point
Yep one girl got mad because she got offered new teeth saying why she couldn't get teeth too
@@storyversefun96omg you have to be kidding me 😐🤦🏼♀️ This is just nuts, I’m starting to see that Gen Z are extremely jealous, envious people 🙁 who are oh so quick to judge & victim blame
it seems to be rubbing off on everyone around them too 😒
Oh please. Why are you so shocked? People realize they're gonna have to work till their 70 and Gypsy Rose has it made for the rest of her life. It looks like she's benefiting from her crime. THAT surprises you? Oh come on
@@janne6265she was abused all her life, imagine being jealous of that
Every woman in that montage set my spidey senses off. The expectations placed on this woman by people who haven't been through her experience and the fame acquired due to media attention is crazy. I truly hope she has some protection from the very public gawping. The projection through false categorisation is too much.
She is courting this attention though. This has nothing to do with Gypsy Rose. If this was just woman A who was acting like that-you would say they are trying to get attention on them. Woman A wants followers, they want to be in public eye
@@janne6265 are you slow? I ask because you're not psychic, so have zero idea what I would say if this was 'woman A'. I'm not sure how you expect Gypsy Rose to make an income post release. However, if she chooses to, she's entitled to court the media attention, seeing as money has been made via a documentary and drama series from her story while she was in prison. Now she's released she's free to do what she wants. We aren't entitled to judge her as if she's a regular person with a regular background, and in the process project our flawed expectations onto her because she doesn't fulfill some people's unrealistic ideas of what a perfect victim is. Do you understand that? The opinions of people like you are what she needs to be protected from.
Anyone spending time attempting to take her to task because of how they feel about her would be best served doing some serious self reflection.
@@janne6265 it's OK, you already shown you can't 👍
@@angeltangle Are you serious? You come out first thing with an insult? I didn't come at you wrong. You must be a real gem irl. I shouldn't even give you the satisfaction of responding, but I realize I read your post a little wrong. Did you mean "the fame acquired due to media attention" from when she was in prison? Cause that's true. That's no fault of hers. If you meant after prison, she had all that stuff set up and ready to go. She wants to be an influencer. That comes with some things that aren't so nice. So why do you feel the need to "protect" her like you know her? She chose this. Aren't we letting her be herself now?
And of course she could have found other means of income! That's silly. And I guess I'm not psychic, but you are! So tell me how I feel about Gypsy Rose. I'd be so curious to know. I mean I am slow
@@angeltangle Life must be hard for you right now. Cause I did read it. And then answered you even though I was offended and thought you were a troll, I still tried to write out an answer for you. But then I see you and your oh so witty comeback. You need a freakin life.
she did take accountability she went to fucking prison wtf 😭 Also the ableism by acting as if he didnt have control over his own actions, he knew what he was doing when he did the murder guys he knew. Tho I agree he should be in an institution.
No she pinned it all on the guy she set up.
he was tested to have the intelligence of a ten year old. she manipulated him into it.
And on ablism - she was put through so many surgeries(which requires recovery), had her teeth rot, saliva glands amputated, not allowed to walk - she was made disabled by her mother.
@@GFTCNJShe was an accomplice and served her time in jail. The person who actually committed the unaliving is obviously going to get more time.
@@leehalloway8787 She was the mastermind. He is mentally slow and she took advantage. Now she’s free and crazy people are actually defending her.
ugh i experienced a version of this sort of hyper scrutiny as a child abuse survivor who grew up in care system. people are so hyper critical of you and your behaviour as if they expect you to be absolutely well adjusted
to life and society and ive been told things as much as ill probably never be able to love by strangers. its part of this is the prevalent belief children go into the care system because of something they did, like they were too naughty for the parents to handle etc. i think tv shows have caused this maybe. a bit unrelated but i think its this oversimplifying the characters of abused individuals to keep them from reclaiming their true independance. am I making any sense lol
I think you sound very sensible by that statement
No, children do not get taken away from their parents because "they were too naughty", WTF kinda tv shows are you watching?
@mariusvanc A child is neurologically hardwired to be loyal to their caretakers bc when we were evolving, an abusive parent was safer than a lion.
Clearly you've never been in the system... so why don't you sit down and shut up.
@@mariusvanc no the ones that are taken away, but some of the ones that are given away. My stepsister was given away to the care system because her mum said she wasn't easygoing. This is the statement she officially gave to the social workers who handled her case... so yeah that sadly happens
i'm sorry. children should never be victim blamed for going into the care system. it's wholly the parent's fault for not being able to care for their child.
"like being tied to the bed that one time" EXACTLY. why try to downplay her abuse?
Abuse? She ran away with a much older felon! If you did that, how would your parents react?
@@JR-lw3msgirl just shut the fuck up bc I can see u speaking nonsense throughout the comments way too much
@@JR-lw3mscringe response bro I think Gypsy is manipulative but you are vastly misrepresenting the situation…
@@JR-lw3ms Maybe you would be chill if someone pulled YOUR teeth
I got sick watching all these people minimize her abuse. Vile.
I find it super strange that people have the audacity to judge someone that has been through things most could not even imagine.. judge their reaction after 30 years of their life was taken away. Judge how someone should even cope with the fact that they were abused and never even looked for the fame that the worst thing in their life has done to them. So weird… this time is fraught with idiocy and narcissism.
Charles Manson was abused! So was Hitler! Should we feel bad for them too? And if GR wasn't looking for fame, she would just disappear after prison release, like Karla Homolka
But is that true? That she wasn't looking for fame? Didn't she work with Lifetime for her prison diaries or something. Isn't her book coming out? Isn't she going on a media blitz of interviews? Just don't lie to yourself that she's not trying to become famous. Whether it's a good thing or not is not for me to decide but everywhere I look on social media, I see Gypsys face.
@@janne6265she was already famous. She was already in the public zeitgeist from when the story of her abuse was publicized. She came out doing the only thing she literally could do to make money- talk about her experience. She didn’t choose to have the news outlets make stories on her, and why shouldn’t she get some profits from her own story if the media is going to share it with or without her input. At least this way she has some control of how her own story is told.
@Emjay.d I get what you're saying and you're right. I think they're are other ways to make $ and she didn't have to lean into wanting to be an influencer. To me (so yes this would be how it makes ME feel) there is something icky about this. This is just kind of weird situation. But yes I agree with what you're saying. I just don't like how it's playing out. This became a "story" instead of real life
@@janne6265 I don’t disagree. She obviously is playing into the public- but I just really don’t know what people are expecting from someone who has lived that life. She was truly a victim. She was a child that was manipulated and abused and yes she made a mistake- but she didn’t see any other way out of her situation. Then she went to prison where she learned to be an adult. She doesn’t have the tools that most adults have. I don’t watch her content. I just think it’s wild how people are treating her now vs 2 months ago.
these people are literally victim blaming and probably not realizing that they are using the same arguments against her that they would (rightfully) criticize others for using on sexual or phisical abuse victims - like the "why didn't you run away or ask for help" bullshit.
She ain't a victim though!
@@JR-lw3msaccording to what evidence. your opinion? maybe you should look into why you are in every comment thread on this video victim blaming. stop reading reddit karen.
@@JR-lw3ms so you're saying she didn't endure like 15 years of abuse? as a child?
@@spxllbxxndsomebody would say she's not a victim because she's also a murderer. Thats pretty easy to figure out
@@janne6265 so when you kill your abuser it automatically makes you not a victim
This is fantastic analysis. No-one is grappling with what this person experienced and how that may have affected her. People just want performance that fits in with their views/narrative and it’s not lost on me that these creators are pissing blood that she can use this experience to engage with bigger numbers of people than most can dream. Hence she becomes a target. It’s a joke.
Yup. EXACTLY!💯💯
You make some good points.
I have a lot of empathy for Gypsy. I can’t fathom how terrible her mother made her life. I have no idea what I would have done if I lived her life, absolutely zero idea?!
I have watched a handful of her recent interviews and I hope she gets much needed therapy.
I see that she can be manipulative. She learned it from her mother, obviously.
I have seen her lie and contradict herself in the handful of interviews I’ve seen recently.
I’m not at all jealous of her notoriety or potential fortune. I find it odd that our society is pushing her into the spotlight as an influencer/ celebrity. She’s a sympathetic figure who needs mental health help, a lot of healing. It’s bizarre to me that people are fan-girling over her but I’m not surprised. Our society is warped.
@@NotJessH the point about jealousy was specifically referring to creators that switched up as her numbers blew up.
Only for the feeble-minded!
The victim blaming is CRAZYYYYY
Someone said, she’s as guilty as her mother cause she went along with all the freebies her mother got them. Just wow.
Victim? Shes a murderer.
@@somethingclever8916And also a victim. Ironically, those two are not mutually exclusive.
I think Gypsy is a victim but also a manipulator. Most people think that. Two things can be true. You can ne a victim and still do bad things.
@@lisah8438 ?? you don't know her, how is she a manipulator? their no evidence
I also hear many people say “she plotted to m*rder a member of her own family her own mother” which is telling to me in the sense that people cannot imagine a world where they hurt their family and therefore think she must be an evil person. If it was a stranger who held her hostage and then put her through the same abuse and that was her only means of escape she would be looked at as a hero. The victim blaming is ridiculous! And the fact that this is the only real time in her life she’s had to find her identity and make her way in the world after being isolated, abused, and locked up is why people are so uncomfortable. They want her to stay in the shadows and be quiet. Shes moving on and people don’t like that.
I don't know. I think they'd hate her either way.
How Many kids were abused and didn’t kill their parents… you can want it but you musnt do it! Plus if a person was keeping me captive i think i would use The tablet and call The police or My dad or someone and just stand up and show nothing is wrong with My body or me, and im pretty sure i wouldnt go on dating websites to trying to find a fuck buddy 😅
@@valolafson6035no they wouldn’t lmao
Your discussion on the not so perfect victim really struck a chord with me a) because I have some self-reflection to do on this ASAP and b) because it reminds me of how people treat disabled people in general. For example, with late-diagnosed autistics it’s like oh no you’re not fitting my conception of this disorder so you must be faking it and you just want attention. People say things like “You couldn’t have autism because you’re married,” “you couldn’t have autism because you have a job,” etc. all the while completely unaware of how infantilizing and close-minded their comments are. General society treats most disabled people this way.
I think these creators are jealous she got so many followers so quickly.
Definitely
Social media is an envy incubator!
and i think they just want to seem intellectual by claiming they have some psychological insight that they don't
@@jesss101 this too !!
Media profits whether they are building up someone or destroying them.
Gypsy was never meant for long time fame. Shes a side show freak who will be forgotten like Onison
I looove how everyone just throws the word "narcisism" at everything, I'm sure that's not inacurate at all and won't cause any long lasting, unjustified stigma that will later lead to unfair discrimination and therefore more narcissism...
I ❤ it.
It has gotten to the point that I am tired of hearing the word narcissist.
Apparently, everyone's ex is a narcissist.
@@catxtrallways Sometimes what they describe isn't even the person being an asshole. They just get angry that they got dumped.
I hope that you're doing better after dealing with narcissistic abuse. It sounds rough.
If it's inaccurate, how can it cause MORE narcissism, when there's none to begin with? Also, giving in to and appeasing narcissists DOES cause more narcissism.
@@catxtrallways damn, you woke up this morning and decided to speak facts.
I see this online a lot - tend to assume that anyone jumping to label someone else as a narcissist is a narcissist themselves. I've known only one person in my life that I suspect might be on the narcissism spectrum, but some people seem to be surrounded by narcissists, which is suspicious.
imagine being a dark gypsy stan lmaooo
"i spent three days STUDYING AND WATCHING EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS WOMAN" okay girlie you're a fan we get it
idk how ppl expect gypsy to be some super normal media darling given her backstory like girlie was under her mums thumb then in prison now she's out and has cameras pointed at her and she's been put under a microscope like sorry she isnt super articulate and poised like some hollywood actress like what on earth im not a gypsy stan but honestly girlie slay
idk if its the media ppl have watched w her lkie the act but maybe ppl are infantalize her to a disturbing degree ppl are legit grossed out by her being an adult having an adult relationship and saying she has a good sx life w her HUSBAND
ppl who think she should be weeping abt what she did to her abusive mum are 100% the type who wouldve just preferred her to stay being abused and then come forward when her mum died then struggling for the rest of her life especially in front of a camera
this is similar to the backlash that jordan turpin is getting now that she's on tiktok and modeling like you cant be perfect victim for the masses jordan was brave, escaped, helped her siblings by calling the cops, they got rehomed but she's blamed bc she's modeling and living her life
jordan turpin got backlash????? for what????? that is wiiiiiild. people hate survivors fr
There's only one GR though - a manipulative lying murderer!
People cheer for you to stand on their level. But god forbid you ever pass them.
HARD 👏 FACTS 👏👏👏 I’ve seen so many whining about her getting rich but like … really?! Would you really want to trade with her?! So you’d like that life for some money?!!! I’m sure she’d trade with any Joe Schmo if she could
this one
God forbid anyone ever stoops to GR's level! 🤮🤮🤮
WHAT?
@@JR-lw3ms She's horrible but also just society as a whole is fine to celebrate you until you actually get rich or something then they turn on you. I don't feel one bit bad for her that people are turning on her, but this comment is totally true.
Thank you for this video. Seeing the TikTokification of Gypsy Rose's public perception has made me feel like I'm going insane. I feel sick seeing the way people talk about her, both the stans and anti-stans. Your videos are an incredibly needed perspective.
For the feeble minded!
@@JR-lw3msLike you dear.
@@JR-lw3ms Get it together girl.
Being from Austria, this of course reminds me of Natascha Kampusch - how she was treated by the public after her escape and her subsequent "fall from grace" because she wasn't "behaving like a victim". I think to this day people are making videos about how she is a fraud and whatnot. A lot of these TikToks about Gypsy basically say the exact same things that have been said about Natascha. So yeah, I'm not at all surprised by this situation but we as a society should definitely do better.
The issue is people have become so chronically online that this is all just a game to them. The commentary around her is saying a LOT more about the anti social epidemic in our society than Gypsie. We really can't say what kind of person she is or how she really feels or how we would react in this situation. Its incredibly complicated.
Whats most concerning to me is the people jumping on this woman are fully grown people, most i would assume were not locked up and given meds and surgeries they didnt need. So im very disturbed by their behavjour. Millenials and gen Z need to grow the hell up. We desperately need reform on social media
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 she should get off social media then! I know what kind of person she is - I watched her interrogation and her hotel tapes with Nick! She is fully grown too!
@@JR-lw3msWhy should she get off social media she has every right to use it however she pleases. Your in every comment section on this video are you obsessed with her ? Cos it sure looks that way.
@@sugarsundae3400
Yeah shes creeping me out glad i blocked her
I feel bad for Gypsy. A lot of people have no compassion for her. I think that deep down, people feel like her mother's abuse wasn't "bad enough" to have her deserve to be killed, because it's a unique form of abuse that isn't talked about or seen as abuse. I know and have seen people (online or in person) who insist that her mom wasn't abusive or that she could've easily left her mom to avoid it. People seem to think that the only forms of child abuse out there are physical and sexual abuse (there are people there who even think that physical abuse is just discipline), because those types of abuse are more common and more talked about. More people can therefore symathize and understand why victims take drastic measures. So when people hear her say that she planned for her the killing of her mom, she felt like she had no other option, people think that she's just "making excuses" and "playing the victim (even though she literally is the victim)". When you never really heard about this kind of abuse and think it's "not as bad" AND you have the inability to empathize with people to understand situations you yourself have never been in, you refuse to listen to the victim and just think that their reaction is "too much".
Whether it was her idea or not, I think becoming an influencer and going to all of these interviews right after being released from prison was a bad idea. It's understandable that she did this right away, as the idea of fame sounds exciting and it was probably pushed so she could both spread awareness and make money in the process, but I think that I wouldn't be able to handle the inevitable scritiny I'd get if I was in her shoes. The fact that she became a celebrity in this very complicated and tragic situation is not healthy for anyone.
I think people shouldnt waste their empathy on celebrities. They should put it in their local community
People in Hollywood made her famous (or infamous). Why shouldn’t she use that exploitation of her trauma and crime to build her career? The girl needs to eat.
People’s reaction demonstrate how no woman is allowed to be a flawed victim. Worse yet, this kind of expected continuous self flagellation from ex cons after they’ve done their time is one of the reasons recidivism rates are so high. Let the people who paid their dues live.
Gypsy rose not having an education past elementary:
Everyone: SHES A MASTER MANIPULATOR
Just to let you know- you do not have to be well educated to be a manipulator
I have no opinion on the woman herself but in reality, manipulation is in fact often a tool favoured by those who have not been educated. Education gives you other tools to succeed in life. Certainly, there is no correlation between education and manipulation.
DeeDee Blanchard was a master manipulator and who do children learn the most from? Gypsy probably did pick up some manipulative and narcissistic tendencies from her upbringing. She's still the victim of some of the most heinous abuse we've ever heard of and needs help and support to heal and move past it.
Glad Gypsy spoke on the common misconception people have that jail and prison are the same.
I’m very recognising of your (beautiful) ability to see the complex nuances in things. How you consider different factors & how you may even empathise without condoning or agreeing with certain things. I wish we were all a little bit more like you.
There is something to be said about the para social relationship that people have with individuals they have championed for and the entitlement they feel they are owed to their lives/ recovery.
The same thing happened with Britney Spears and free Britney. We become so invested in freeing Britney from her family (after treating her like sh*t in the media for years) and then becoming obsessed with Britney after she was given her freedom and autonomy back. Which is ironic because it’s like we still want to control her 😂
Loved the video ❤ I think Gypsy was the extreme example of murder by self defence which in my opinion makes her innocent. I also think that children are a large minority group that have limited rights and are easy to abuse and mistreat.
People (_some fans) are so entitled to people online it's crazy how they make up detailed situations of what famous person needs to do .
Oof, that last line of your first paragraph. It's so true though.
Main character syndrome on steroids
when someone has control over you and is constantly gaslighting you... you're not thinking straight. that's why she acted the way she did. but is it a good idea for her to become a celebrity? honestly Idk
All these expectations from random people towards others on the internet they don't even personally know, scares me. Tell me why all these people who were like 'Why don't I feel obsessed with her like I was?" sound CRAZY to me. Like baby grill, the fact you were obsessed with a stranger to begin with is what's wrong. YOU had these expectations. She is not a character from a series you watch on the weekends.
Mean girls need to put down their phones or just keep scrolling. Why do people have to comment? They’re just trying to use her trending name to build their own internet clout. So who’s the narcissist now?
Well said 💯👏
👏🏾 👏🏾
A commonality between these anti stan creators are dramatic, tacky make up. It screams insecurity.
Girl you had me screaming 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
I was thinking something very similar tbh. I guess they wanna make their outside match the inside
I noticed that too when the makeup lady came up - why do all these lowlife shittalkers who clearly have never been through anything or overcome anything in their lives always have to give their thoughtless takes while doing their makeup? do they not realize that just hammers in the thoughtless aspect of their take?
Welcome to what men have been saying for a LONG time. Anytime you see the kind of makeup like these girls here, we already know she's got serious issues.
Dude she was horrifically abused for YEARS!!! just let gypsy live her life, let her learn and grow. She was robbed of so much by someone who was supposed to love and protect her. Just wish her good luck and leave her alone.
Excellent video. Thank you for your measured, critical, & ✨humanizing✨ commentary.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think of what Gypsy did as self-defense-in-slow-motion. Not only was her mother severely psychologically abusing her, for their entire time together--her mother was killing her slowly with medical abuse. Victims of Munchausen by proxy can end up being killed by their abusers. Her mother was starving her, medicating her with medications she didn't need, subjecting her to numerous unnecessary surgeries--and surgeries all come with the chance of death. Gypsy was being killed in slow motion by her abuser, and she acted in self defense. I avoid TikTok so I wasn't even aware of people suddenly turning the tables on her; just because they don't see her as a "perfect victim"--god forbid she live her life now that she's free and actually able to live her own life. The person who mentioned that their mother in prison with Gypsy thought Gypsy was "lame" was especially... idk funny or disheartening. Thank you for bringing attention to this, everything you have to say about it is so well thought out, so perfectly on point. And it's so important that you've brought up people infantilizing Godejon--like he didn't have fantasies about r*pe and m*rder before he even met Gypsy that he wanted to act on. He could have said "come live with me and we'll call the police on your mom to expose all of her fraud and abuse" but he wanted to live out his sick fantasies. He made his choice. He wanted to r*pe Gypsy's mom while m*rdering her, but Gypsy begged him not too, and offered herself to be r*ped by him instead. It was brutal and painful for her. I think it could even be argued that Godejon preyed on Gypsy--as someone who was abused and victimized by her primary caregiver, she was an easy target for someone else to step in with control and abuse. She recounted that during the brief time she lived with him, he controlled what she was allowed to do, what she had to wear and what she could eat, etc. He was not some innocent victim, he's a sick individual in his own ways.
Gypsy has said that she was in therapy while incarcerated and will probably need therapy for the rest of her life--not only to process her deep and layered trauma, but also to unlearn her mother's indoctrination. She knows that her mother taught her to be manipulative, she has said she doesn't want to be like her mother. She is healing, she is growing, she is learning and unlearning--she just happens to be doing it in the public eye. People need to give her some grace.
I really loved how you broke down everything. You are correct, in the public eye she really is in the "damned if you do and damned if you don't". I think people expect too much and don't understand what years of trauma does to the brain. Also, if she seems like she's performing, that's literally her entire childhood - young adult life. It's what her mom created, you don't undo something like that in a short period of time. This is the first video I've watched and not be annoyed. ❤
You have such an amazing way of speaking and I love it. This video made perfect sense to me when I sometimes have a hard time understanding what people are saying.
Haven’t had a chance to jump into Gypsy Rose since her release, so I’m excited to watch this and see where people are coming from. Interesting topic thank you for sharing!
Gypsy had very little choice but to be famous. She has a very strange, very public story. Luckily she managed to make some bank on it because it’s highly unlikely that she would be allowed to pursue a regular career in peace until the fame cycle winds down.
I understand that the influencers who judge her don’t understand why Gypsy gets all the stuff they want - fame, interviews, paparazzi. Though only people who have never encountered paparazzi think that’s a bonus.
As to the voice, Gypsy had to impersonate a 7 year old into adulthood. When she has time she might do some voice training, but for now I think her voice is fine (less annoying than the voices of many influencers).
P.S. That dude in the light blue pullover asking questions for the podcast needs to learn to ask a question and let the interviewer answer rather than repeat the question over and over and suggest the answers he would give (over and over).
A lot of these concerns were actually brought up towards the end of Mommy Dead and Dearest. When a person spends their whole life being raised by a serial liar and manipulator its likely that the person will have soaked up and internalized those qualities themselves. I think Gypsy’s Dad and Stepmom seem like good people and I hope they can help ground her.
Unless she’s going to again be held captive and have body parts forcibly and needlessly amputated, there’s no evidence that she’ll reoffend.
She had no amputations.
@@catxtrallways That is NOT amputation.
I agree with you on that
@@Ausgar-yc1ylShe had a painful muscle biopsy she didn't need so having part of your muscle taken away is what ? She had her salivary glands removed when she didn't need to, what would you call that ?
@@sugarsundae3400 That is considered a medical procedure, NOT amputation. Amputation. Amputation ONLY means fingers, toes, arms or legs.
Thank you for talking about that false pro mental health attitude. I work in community mental health and it's so clear that people want those who have suffered to just go away and stop making everyone so uncomfortable. It's really hard to watch. Those who have gone through severe trauma are not going to match tiktoks idea of normal. It's so much more complicated than that.
I was waiting for the other shoe to drop.Didnt think it would be this fast :[ It's sad hearing people call her a narc. People who have the most problems are usually the ones calling people (WHO ARENT NARCS) narcs.
i feel like too many people drop that word like it's nothing. from my experience, in order to really tell if someone's a narc, you have to know them in depth. you have to know how they act in front of others vs in private. you have to know their personality in depth. it is very very difficult to tell someone's a narc just by online research. you do not actually know that person.
Thank you for changing my mind. I was really influenced by all of the TikTok videos talking negatively about Gypsy, and I see now that I needed another perspective. Thank you ❤
Once again you have hit so many nails right on the head!
I really think we live in a time where our disconnection from ourselves is getting the best of us in almost every aspect of modern life .
We lift others up only to tear them down when they don’t act how we want them to act??
Not only that, to sit there and judge this random women and saying you would never have taken the route she did is just pure virtue signaling, how ridiculous to not know that you, as a human are capable of so much good but at the same time so much bad....
God these tiktokers drive me nuts.
Once again thank you so much for your work and this new videos!
So bloody right. And we'll see the harm this global ill gossiping will take our future generations. Just trying to imagine if our great grandparents had the chance to do exactly this and acted the same way, where would we be now?? It's scares the sh*t out of me
@@Ilovebirdgag god me too, it’s worrying for sure !🤦♂️
Good news is you (I assume) and I aren’t caught up in this whirlwind of hypothetical ways we SHOULD be living/acting, and that’s about the best I could ask for at this point idk 🤷♂️
@@Zombiezay Yes, this very idea is something I keep reminding myself so I don't feel depressed about it. Have you ever heard from the Bible when people were throwing rocks (lapidating) at someone and then Jesus came and had to bring people to their senses because we all sin? I'm just mentioning this to point out that after all these years we have only evolved to be able to "lapidate" on a global scale. This habit isn't dying out any time soon.
It's the online fame cycle... she is living in her "hate her" arch, & the all your audience are psychologists arc
She’s in her Loser Who Manipulated A Slow Man Into Murder Then Testified Against Him Because She’s A Loser arc
At the end when she will fall low society will come to believe they didn't treat her fair and will start loving her again. You won't be allowed to criticize. Happened to Britney Spears recently. Sometimes it happens after the death of a celebrity like in the case of Anna Nicole-Smith, Diana princess of Wales and Marilyn Monroe.
@@GFTCNJ You're living through your triggered online troll era hey bub 😄
@@catxtrallways I suggest you stop defending manipulative losers
@@catxtrallways This is valid though. If the genders were reversed. People will definitely be saying how this poor autistic woman was manipulated.
This is the best take on the human experience that I have ever heard. How dare someone not be the person that I make them up to be in my mind. How dare you not show growth, remorse, love, hunger as I think you should. Well done.
Yes yes yes you said everything I was thinking. This is such a great video, it is maddening how people feel the need to go to either side of crazy extremes.
I genuinely hope she got an accountant and set herself up for financial security. I'd love for her to absolutely thrive and continue growing, in whatever ways she thinks are best for her. ❤
“I get she didn’t want any repercussions like when she was tied to the bed that one time ” girl what??? This poor woman had been abused all her life, declared mentally unfit so she couldn’t really leave even if she wanted too.
They were happy painting this weird narrative only from watching the Hulu show and not actual documentaries of her speaking on the case. They viewed her as they do a lot of true crime cases of glorifying and making a celebrity out of real people and real trauma, and as soon as that fantasy of what they build up isn't going the way they want it to they tear them down. They've completely separated the fact that this is real, this was a terrible traumatic thing to happen in someone's actual life that they view through a lens of tv when its an actual victim with actual trauma put on a pedestal they didnt even ask for. It's gross and says/shows a lot about how true crime is viewed by many people today. It's ingested as some sort of horror movie and not something thats REAL, these are REAL people.
I hope shes able to continue to heal and adjust the best she can, continue to speak her story/truth as she should be able to now and continue to have support through something that was very traumatizing.
People are really hooked on this thinking that anyone who has done something bad is a bad person, period. Everyone is criticizing her for doing the shows and not a single person is criticizing the SHOWS. That they are still watching and listening to for hours a day.
it's very dark ages religious "thinking" right now in this time isnt it
the aura one reeeally was so hard to watch omg. The way she smiled while gypsy was talking about something most people in this world could never relate to and talk about how she can see her manipulative blue aura is so insane to me. Privilliged people really seem to never undestand that there is no one right way to be a victim. But ofc just say her aura is the wrong colour, thats must be the problem
"She would re-offend". Re-offend what? Re-offend conspiring someone to kill her mother? Did people forget what happened to her?
What a great video and analysis. I have always admired your way of explaining things. I just see her as someone that is learning how the world knows and that she has every right to share her story however she wants.
i had a LOT of empathy for gypsy when I heard her story years ago, and i was happy she was released. she went through a traumatic childhood and then into an overall traumatic prison system, so however she acts, she is not coming from a place of health. she needs to get help and heal. remember that this is her first time of freedom in her entire life. so whatever she does, it's all new. let her learn and grow. we should be forgiving of someone who had such a difficult life.
edit- i'm seeing a lot of people saying that gypsy's ex boyfriend who actually committed the murder should be released since she was. so gypsy was charged with 2nd degree murder and a 10 year sentence while her ex was charged with 1st degree murder and a life sentence. this is because gypsy orchestrated the murder but her ex actually carried it out. gypsy was released 8 years into her 10 year sentence, basically doing the time she was given.
there is a conversation to be had about if the ex's charges are actually fair considering gypsy was trying to escape abuse. on one hand, people can say it was justified because she was being abused. on the other hand, he did take someone's life, knowing fully it was wrong. and he did it in quite a violent way. i think his case will be reviewed eventually, but it is an interesting moral question.
She needs to be back in jail is what she needs.
@@GFTCNJ Why?
@@GFTCNJShe was never sentenced to jail.
Oh don't jump on the semantics of jail. I understand your thought process Jess. When I watched some crime documentary years ago I didn't like that he got such a long sentence. If she was self defense wasn't he committing a crime in defense of someone else? He does some to have some issues that would make it hard to tell if he would reoffend again (from what I hear) but yeah I think they'll look his case over again. Maybe he can get moved to a place that will help him
@@janne6265 It is not Semantics, they are very different things.
i honestly predicted that a lot of people on the internet would turn their backs on gypsy. not so hard to predict when it happens to a lot of people who gain rise in popularity
As it should be!
@@JR-lw3ms bro why are you all over the comments section hating on Gyspy. Did you watch the video or are you seeking out any media on the topic and simply trolling? Hmm maybe spend ur time elsewhere!
@@littleguy8714That's a troll she's all over the comments section on this video. I've seen her on other videos to do with Gypsy writing the same things think she's obsessed lol.
I think people are very jealous of her success, and also jealous of her ability to live through so much adversity and emerge intelligent, articulate, stylish, happily married. She seems like a talented woman. However she may feel about her crime or her mother is no body's business.
Not jealous at all this is a slow moving trainwreck that is being monetized
Well said 👏👏
@@victorybeginsinthegarden I agree with the above comment people are jealous of so many things her huge following the money she's earnt the fact she has a man that loves her, her ability to talk so eloquently in interviews and the fact she's not a crying mess but a strong woman facing life head on people don't like to see anyone winning.
Gypsy and the whole world have to adapt to her release from prison. This has already shown a great insight into human behaviour. Thank you for your video ❤
This reminds me so much of the Amber Heard situation. Another year, another abuse survivor is revictimised by the internet.
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@@JR-lw3ms ?
I don't know if you should say that lol. Idk if all these people rallying for imperfect victim Gypsy Rose would be willing to stand behind imperfect victim Amber Heard
@@janne6265 They should.
I agree 100% @@initiatinreallife
often people think that when someone has a hard life it automatically makes them a kind compassionate person or like that everyone with disability is a very good person it doesn't work like that sometimes trauma just brakes you sometimes you were just born not a very nice human
bad things happen to bad people too ( i don't know if gypsy was a bad person I'm just saying it happens)
Listening to a lot of people in those clips showed me how ignorant people can be in general. The amount of people that were inaccurately quoting Gypsy Rose, or taking clips out of context to prove thier point, and clearly know NOTHING about how dangerous Nick actually was/is shows they just saw some stuff about her and for some weird reason latched onto her as "fans" or someone to use for content.
Also, the people using 'The Act' as evidence of anything about the real Gyspy Rose's behavior is extremely ridiculous. It would be like me saying I didn't like Elizabeth Holmes and Sunny because I watched 'The Dropout' 🙄🤦🏾♀️
There is the case of natasha kampush, a girl who was held hostage in a cellar for a very long time after being abducted and when she finally could flee, her abductor k*lled himself. For a short while, everyone was rooting for her but then the tone started shifting, because she was enjoying life too the fullest, experiencing all the pleasures the world could offer instead of mourning at home and somehow, austrian society (and also german and swiss society, since we share a language and there was a generally bigger media coverage about it in these countries) could not handle it and soooo many people startied treating her absolutely horribly, saying hat somehow she wanted this and blaming her for everything. Absolutely horrible.
We wouldnt blame a woman who was being beaten and brutalized by her partner, for killing the partner in self defense. I do see Gypsies situation in a much similar light even if her mother had a mental illness. Her mother had police, doctors and pretty much the world convinced of Gypsies "illnesses". I dont think taking the life of another person should be an option period. However I can imagine situations where people dont see any other way out. Much like those who take their own lives see no other way out. So saying "Oh she should have just gone to the police" is like telling someone who has depression to just "Cheer Up". Also if we dont allow someone to reform and redeem themselves then there really is no point to prisons (I do mean that in a idealistic sense as alot of prisons are just slave labour camps), you may as well just end all offenders when found guilty. To me reform looks like being integrated back into society and the community. Not sequestered away on some farm out of sight out of mind. Also at the end of the day we should never assume what we would do in a situation we have never been in. Chances are it would be the opposite to what you 'Imagined'. That all said I still do think Gypsy needed to face punishment for her part played in the murder or her mother. She has spent her time in prison but will also now face the rest of her life with this hanging over her head in all situations. Much like she is facing now. Which Im sure will die down come the next new shiny thing for this tiktok generation to latch on to.
Do you know how many wmn of dv get harsher prison sentences for unaliving their abusive partner? Alot
I have been talking to people in forums and servers about GBR and have made this exact comparison and let me tell you - they absolutely would.
This is hands down the best video you've ever made and I'm sad it doesn't have more likes and views - this is a lesson that a LOT of people need to learn as they go around in pseudovictimhood trashing actual victims of horrific life stories.
It makes me feel weird how many people are almost infantilizing Godejohn. Yes, he has autism. Yes, he has a lower IQ. But he still knew that what was wrong and right. And him saying how he wanted to rape the corpse of Gypsy's mom is just vile.
It is perplexing that everyone expects "heros" to be perfect. There literally is not a single person of substance or accomplished anything of substance in our past or present that was/is perfect. And it is ok to respect and honor the positive things while acknowledging the shortcomings. I also think we should be able to understand and appropriately denigrate those that use altruism to scrub their heinous deads.
It’s so gross to see all of these “adults” be jealous because she’s getting attention. Let’s be real that’s why they need to tear her down. The girl was tortured by her mother for most of her life and now she’s making the best of what’s happened. My guess is that most of these people are dogging her because they feel some kind of way about her being able to actually get away from her abuser. Sometimes when people have a trauma, and they overcome that, it makes other people who did not have their trauma seen or acknowledged very angry and jealous. Elizabeth Smart talks about encountering this with people after she was rescued as well.
100% on point
thank you so much for making this i feel like everyones media literacy is just getting worse and worse the people Need u
I think people who judge others depending on their "aura" is narcissistic, delusional and self absorbed.
Literally
Wow, this video really made me think, and examine my own reactions, and the deeper motivations behind them. This video is by far the most nuanced, thoughtful and compassionate take on Gypsy Rose as a social media phenomenon, and as an imperfect human, that I have seen so far.
We can be a victim and victimizer, someone who is self aware in some ways yet blind to other parts of ourself. We can be a well meaning advocate while still having manipulative tendencies.
This breakdown was damn near perfect.
thank you for making this! Someone needed to say it! It is so wild, that people are going through the effort of making tiktoks telling people to pay less attention to gypsy rose..... - do they not see the irony?
You're spot on with all this I think. Love coming here for astute hot takes.
Thank you for this detailed, balanced analysis. It is much appreciated. I think she has a relatively short window period to make her $$$ and that's what she is doing. I can't blame her for that. Fingers crossed for her that she can manage her resources and lead a comfortable life. I would be interested to know how she's doing 3-5 years from now when she's out of the spotlight.
I'll say it again, you are one of the most emotionally intelligent creators I have ever encountered. You have changed my perspective on a number of issues because of your well-rounded and even minded discussions of topics that get so caught up in the roar of the internet that it is impossible what to feel or who to believe. Thank you kindly for the videos you create, they really are like no others