Was there an insane Dalek we never got to see?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Based on a previous video, and in keeping with the season of scary stories, we take a look at a gruesome Dalek theory that not only explains some puzzling aspects of Asylum of the Daleks but also hints at the existence of one of the most terrifying individual Daleks in history...
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Cybermen are arguably trying to help you. Therefore, an asylum is made to save the cybermen who have gone insane, but the Cybermen and want to help. They would want to help. They want us to be them because they think they are helping us.
If it was a cyberman asylum I think it would be cool if they were old cyber tombs with cybermen from all different eras tho i still think the idea of it being a dalek one is cool (probably because it’s a really cool setting and I love how atmospheric it is with the old broken casings
An Asylum of the Cybermen would also work as an archive of sorts, allowing the cybermen to access pristine copies of previous iterations, in order to study the strengths and weaknesses of each, and granting them the ability to revert to earlier versions if a new method of destroying the current generation was discovered. There are so many ideas!
Daleks see you as the disease and must be eliminated to not be infected themselves. Cybermen see you as a diseased patient and need to be "cured"
I like the idea that the asylum would thus be a "medical ship/hopsital" and thus the idea that people are absolutely terrified of cyberman hospitals. Could make for a good sting.
also (because i saw earthshock last night) it could be a research facility where they let cybermen either experience emotion or let units with damaged emotional inhibitors function purely to research the effects of these variables on the functioning of a cyberman
I'd honestly love to see a psychotic Paradigm Scientist as the butcher. That weapon switching system is absolutely ripe for unnerving overseer-style attatchments.
OMG I was also thinking that.
I love this theory. Personally, I'd always thought that Oswin's conversion was a dalek so insane that it adopted the personality of Oswin, and through accessing the Alaska's records began to make it's hallucinations gradually more real, but I think yours is better.
As an alternative origin to this hypothetical Dalek: Perhaps it was a Dalek Scientist that was involved in experimenting with turning other species into Daleks (perhaps as the Dalek Scientist behind the plan seen in Dalek Empire 3) and began to view purity of hatred as more important to Dalek existence, which was what made the Daleks imprison it within the Asylum.
Pffffft that bit with Invasion of Time caught me off guard
That's a good theory. It would have been cool to see the orange Paradigm Dalek take us this role.
The Daleks that Oswin "hears" is the Dalek conditioning trying to break her human mind still, to take it over, to Dalek-fy her. That door we see in the episode is sort of like a door to Oswin's human mind. Once the Daleks gets in, that's it, the last remnant of her human self is lost to the conditioning.
We need to see a Dalek story like that! it would remind us what would make a single Dalek scary again!
God this idea is goosebumps material because one minute in I started getting goosebumps with the idea of the insane Dalek you hypothesised about all the way through
Is a Nightmare Child video planned? I would love to hear your thoughts on that legendry Dalek, even if much of it is speculation. I also think an explenation for 'the Asylum of the Cybermen' could be that they are linking up all the insane cybermen into a giant Cyberplanner - a wild card for when they need more ‘creative’ strategies.
Yes I do plan on covering the Nightmare Child in a future videos I've got it scripted just need to record and edit it
A few other topics I've got in the pipeline are the Humanised Daleks, a video on why the Dalek Sec casing was disposed of by the Cult, and a video on the Bomber Daleks from Destiny of the Daleks
In addition to ZigZag-mw9ir’s comment, the Cybermen have an obsession with survival. In that light, an asylum for irreversibly malfunctioning Cybermen would actually make *more* sense than the idea of destroying any Cybermen that go wrong. Better to make sure that they survive than to contribute to the extinction of your own race.
(Side note: as a Cyberman fan, your videos make me want to create a channel that’s just as entertaining and informative as yours, but with a focus on Cyberman lore.)
This was a damn well made chilling video. Happy Halloween Dalek Bumps! Ya know, a part of me likes to wonder if a Cyberman Asylum could be something a split faction would create for themselves. I read an idea elsewhere in another comment lost to time about the Cyberman potentially having a civil war. A war between Cybermen still intent on converting Humanity, and the new faction realizing the error of their ways and wishing to preserve mankind. So, they create a facility to "Rehabilitate" already converted Cybermen to their cause to aid in the war effort to defend humanity. And who knows? The Daleks could take advantage of this civil war amidst the infighting amongst other races on several galactic fronts. Just some ideas!
As a support for this theory, during the Time War, the Daleks created Berzerker class units. These units were made from the populations of ships and planets they encounter, deleting (somewhat unsuccessfully) their memories.
this created insane, mutilated monsters that just felt hate and would often kill anything they saw, including Daleks.
An absolutely amazing and detailed theory without reaching unreasonably far in any direction. However, I do believe you have put more thought into the lore of Rusty and the asylum than any writers for Doctor Who ever did (At the time, at least). Sometimes I imagine how good Dalek stories could potentially get if they had the right budget and minds behind it, but that can also be said for anything.
1:30 A few reasons.
1) This depends on the era and type of cybermen, but some Cybermen believe they are saving humanity. They think conversion is right. That twisted rightousness could easily be extended into being unwilling to kill a Cyberman. At least, it makes more sense than Daleks being unwilling, considering how rare it is to actually get a Dalek story that doesn't somehow involve a Dalek killing a Dalek.
2) The Asylum wouldn't have to just be an Asylum, but a conversion planet (like we see in Power of the Doctor) and the Asylum is only one section of it.
3) Humans are a limited resource, unlike Daleks which can seemingly be grown from next to nothing. We see late in the Cyber Wars that Ashad, presumably the current Cyber Leader or at least the leader of his own faction, simply has no Cybermen left, and has to find an abandoned warship to bolster his troops. He specifically mentions how few humans there are in that time period, and that he wants to create robotic Cybermen so he can continue his conquest. This is all to say that they wouldn't just waste Cybermen (i.e. humans) so readily in some eras.
Also, I think the twist would have been equally as predictable, given Asylum of the Daleks already has a bunch of converted Daleks anyway.
Can't say I was expecting a Halloween special about the Daleks, but I'm pleasantly surprised! Loved the idea, happy Halloween!
this is a very unique idea and it got me thinking. If you could create a custom Dalek character with it's own backstory as to why it was created and stuff. What would you make?
Cool theory and nice way to try and fix some parts of that train werck of a dalek story Asylum of the daleks. Also liked your use of the revelation of the daleks soundtrack
I really like this concept of an evil and insane Dalek scientist that turns people into Daleks due to it's hatred and jealousy. (I haven't read any official source books/comics/Big Finish) Usually when we see a Dalek with emotions they either become good (Humanised Daleks), focus their hatred on their fellow daleks (Rusty), or just go insane/suicidal (I can only think of the Dalek from Dalek). We've seen how emotions could have turned Dalek Sec good (human emotions but still emotions) and how the Doctor argues how important emotions are, but this 'Asylum Scientist Dalek' could be a twisted reflection of it. Emotions can be a good thing, but sometimes they can make us do some really horrible things.
I really like the design you used for the Dalek. A Dalek with a ruined casing roaming dark, dimly lit corridors with it's 'eye' off creeps me out.
I really want to make an animation about that insane Dalek scientist now. But at the moment I’m working on another dalek animation
This was without a doubt one of the best videos.
Without a doubt one of the greatest videos you’ve made
Thank you!
Holy cow I love this idea!! And does make scenes as a question I have always had is why there’s an opened up dalek casing in the asylum perhaps that’s another travel machine awaiting the dalek scientists next victim, god I’d love to see a story about this deranged monster love it
That theory of yours and the implications of it all is gonna give me nightmares for weeks. 😰😱😓
I can just imagine rusty having been slowly floating from planet to planet in search of daleks to kill, constantly mumbling spiteful things to itself. Some daleks probably spotted it as it was approaching the daleks asylum and just saw this erratic dalek screaming profanities as it descends on the asylum planet. And they just watch, eye stalks slowly panning and decide rightly to not get involved
I find thhe argument that the Daleks' rage against organics because the organics can do thing like feel the sun, breath air etc while the daleks are trapped in their shells to be unlikely, as we've seen daleks literally leaving their shell and wandering around. Breathing air, taking in the sights, taking over humans etc.
However, this theory would make more sense if each individual Dalek had some sort of faint racial memory of being a _Kaled;_ of having walked on two legs, experience of reading a book, of love , etc. Having some residual memory of this, however faint, would truly be horrific for a creature born, and to ultimately die in, a metal shell.
@@fawziekefli2273 The novelisation of 'Dalek' explains the process of Dalek birth, in that the first few seconds of their lives are blissful, as they are implanted with Humanoid memories and language, before the memories are ripped away and replaced with hateful thoughts
As interesting as it was to see Dalek psyche on display, the idea that the Daleks would keep "defective" Daleks around instead of exterminating them never made sense to me. A Cyberman asylum would have made more sense, especially a Mondasian one.
I also find the idea of a Dalek parliament a bit baffling considering their track record. Since when did these wheelie bin Nazis decide to give democracy a whirl?
Still, the scene with the catatonic Daleks was heartbreaking as was the scene with Oswin.
I love this theory, and there are even a few thing to back it up with the fact that the God-Emperor Dalek was so insane, it converted humans into Daleks from just 1 cell, perceiving itself to have purified the human race.
Unrelated note, but the way you described Oswin's conversion into a Dalek as being "diced up on an operating table and stuffed into a Dalek casing" just adds some much more terror to the idea.
The idea that she wasn't just genetically modified, she is still a human to her core, but her body was basically chopped up until she was a barely functioning blob of a human nervous system slammed shut into a Dalek casing.
Someone get a time machine and take DB back to 2011 when Steven was drafting the story. i would watch the HELL out of this.
Thanks for this. Not like I was planning to sleep tonight anyways...
Beyond haunting, I would not mind seeing that.
I like this theory, it has some parallels with vanstaton trying to break the dalek he has chained up, to get it to speak. Perhaps Oswin has a similar situation with this phycho dalek, with the roles reversed.
I kinda imagine that maybe Davros was placed in the Asylum by the Paradigm.
I do like this theory and would add a new dimension to them.
Great video and a good theory. I love it. Very scary.
Horrifyingly enough, there was the "Glass Dalek" from the classic series, where one of the character's actually got reduced into a Dalek mutant, and kept giving the order to exterminate them because they were in pain but also conflicted that they were impure. You could still see part of a human face on the mutant which is pretty unsettling in concept. So weirdly, Oswin was not the first butchered human turned into a Dalek for some twisted purpose. So taking your theory into account a terrifying idea is that this butcher *isn't* an inmate in the asylum, but one of the science division Daleks, and Oswin is one of the "failed experiments" to explore Dalek nature as they have done on multiple occasions.
Lovely theory! Always good fun to explain the more fandom-triggering Dalek Episodes.
A survivor, or attempted successor to, the Volatix Cabal perhaps? 🤔 Absolutely fascinating notion - and even if it weren't to be taken as a headcanon fully (which I do) it would even work as an urban legend of sorts amongst Daleks, a piece of fearmongering propaganda of the evils on unsanctioned emotions like envy.
2:53 Daleks enjoy good books!
Your theory is interesting, sometimes scientists get so intrigued withe whether they _can_ do something that they don't consider whether or not they _should_ , Dalek scientists are no different in this regard.
Nah, Cybermen are all about survival and proliferation. If they have malfunctioning units, it would be wasteful to simply destroy them. Plus there's no reason that you'd have to keep the explanation of what the Asylum is anyway.
Ever thought about covering the second empire comics, discussion general xenol and his departure from the dalek empire to found his own new dalek empire, dark raven productions is in the middle of making an animated series on it, but I think it would be an interesting idea for you to cover this fan project
AM from I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream would absolutely relate to the Daleks...much as is possible for it
I agree with this theory, and I think they should bring it up again in the newer Doctor Who somehow, and incorporate the return of Rusty, somehow in the plot 🖐🏻🎃👍🏻
Paradigm scientist... With a twisted mind...
So Oswin might've been a type of Dalek Berserker?
Great theory- get onto Nick Briggs straight away!
if there been insane imperial Daleks in the asylum it made sense why Oswin's conversion as they did convert humans under davros rule, so they just keep turning humans into daleks to increase numbers even though that command is no longer necessary or wanted under the current regime
The cybermen would want to know what went wrong with the insane cybermen in order to their help research for future upgrades. They aren’t destroyed because there’s always something new they can learn from how these cybermen behave.
Should daleks not *also* just deactivate any non functioning units? With their whole purity thing they kill their own kind all the time just for not fitting the perfect dalek idea there’s no good reason they should have an asylum either
Sounds like something Davros would do.
2:51 underrated joke.
I do want to say I have an idea for how Rusty can return in a larger role. Want to know what it is.
I'd love a Dalek butcher custom figure, could you possibly make one?
The special weapons dalek was considered insane and an abomnation by the other daleks
i think with an asylum of the cybermen you could justify it with the failure of the emotional inhibitor and the reason why the cybermen keep their damaged comrades is to study the malfunction.
What if the Cybermen deactivate all insane Cybermen then throw them onto a single planet then one cyberman reactivates and then reactivates the rest of them
How cool would it be if The Overseer ended up in the asylum at some point?
Given that Daleks are noted for Nazi Parallels, this is not impossible.
It is worthy of a better tale than Asylum of the Daleks, but that's another story.
Where is the animation clip from
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The trailer for Big Finish's _Genetics of the Daleks_ which was part of Time Lord Victorious I think
Hey Dalek Bumps
I’m currently writing a script on how I think Asylum of the Daleks should have been, I’ll post it in the comments to you when it’s complete. 😉
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Now thas s p o o k y
Whens the Discord server? 😊
I find it very interesting that when you said sleeping you put up a picture of the DVD that invasion of time now if it was the VHS I would agree but the new CGI on the DVD brilliant makes that story just don't watch the last two episodes and it all good. 😂😂😂😂