@@quirinoguy8665 just let them live together, feed them with some unwanted people from the colonies and they'll eventually choose a breeding ground. Just keep watch of the offspring so it'll grow and eventually become adults, repeat the process till you have a fish army. Why? I dunno, I think it would be cool
@@simulacrumpilot2777 So we are opposites my dude, as I would shot myself before putting any kind of Eldritch substance inside my body. Even more so if it is human blood that is located on a moon, and that appeared after all the stars and planets in the universe had disappeared.
The fish in Iron Lung being massive means there is sooo much food that it was viable for the fish to grow that big (and the blood ocean is able to host life somehow)
in deep ocean it was the opposite, animals because there are less foods and its cold animals are larger than normal because they need to store more energy to find food and lose less heat.
Yeah, it's kinda implied that the blood oceans are supernatural on some level, not only does it support life, but it turns out that the blood oceans are actually human blood. So probably god punishing humanity or something, that's the kinda vibe I'm getting
@@Monkeylighthouseit's assumed that the current state of the world is due to the effects of a cult ritual because all of the creators previous games around cults(for example Dusk)
@@dolsopolaryeah Like one of the known deep-sea creatures, _the Colossal Squid, larger cousin of the Giant Squid?_ Deep-sea creatures are sometimes to the point where being massive is a defining feature.
@@uku4171 How mining moons and processing the materials would actually be insanely difficult especially in a situation where humanity has minimal resources or technology at their disposal, I mean, just look at the submarine. They don’t have a lot to work with.
The fact that blood oceans are able to be oceans implies that blood moons have a heat source strong enough to keep water in liquid form, and an atmosphere to stop water from boiling due to vacuum. So that means pretty much any blood moon is habitable, especially if you live on the dry land.
That atmosphere doesn’t necessarily have to be oxygen/nitrogen. The blood and living things also don’t necessarily have to have chemically similar biology to us
@@daltongarrett3393It does, the blood is specifically said to be chemically identical to human blood. Although, presence of geothermal activity doesn’t mean it isn’t freezing on the surface, which it probably is, so its probably not habitable without some shelter. However, the blood can for sure be extracted and consumed either directly or by feeding its minerals as plant fertilizer, so it’d still be pretty nice
I think the bleakness was because there were about two thousand people alive in the entire universe and the largest three satellite cities were all trying to murder each other.
"As long as there's people left on the planet, someone's gonna want someone dead" - Sniper from TF2 watch as humanity discover that the weird plants and creatures that exist in the blood moon becomes "better" when they consume human blood instead of the blood from the oceon... can't wait for the humanity extinction speedrun
@@tinkypoe_eI meant like, somehow blood that came from human instead of the ocean (even if its chemically the same) made the lifeforms stronger/evolve idk, this is a horror game. they have alot of thing going on and I find it interesting
one thing to note, the submarine we use in the game isnt rated for the depths we go to, as explained in the opening crawl, this implies we're using an old retrofitted submarine that survived the quiet rapture and *not* a newly manufactured one, meaning we dont know what the current industrial capabilities are
Iirc, the entries on the computer imply the one we pilot was one of a series specifically made to imprison/kill off convicts and PoW from their conflict with the Martians, so it should be actually a good indicator of their current industrial abilities
@@kluevo theres also the one paper note you find on the floor but thats probably just them resourcefully using garbage as apposed to making the submarine specifically as an execution chamber, since if they had infrastructure they could just build a new sub that automatically shuts off it's life support after going underwater... and also doesnt need to be welded shut and cut back open every single trip
@@edenengland1883 there's also a hidden picture of wreckage from an actual sub which had scientists and reaserchers on it, nothing like the sub you're in
I love the idea that whatever cosmic horror force blooped stuff out of existence was very concerned with adherence to strict human definitions of cosmic bodies.
the real way to survive iron lung is to argue semantics out loud so that whatever deity was feeling annoyed the day of the quiet rapture gives you back some of your celestial bodies
@terrariangolden6985 doesn't change the fact that whatever got rid of stars and planets broke the law of physics, so why should it care what we define as stars and planets?
I mean, it's not _quite_ what you're looking for, but Frostpunk might be able to scratch that itch; at the very least, it certainly hits the whole "entropy is inevitable, and you can only avoid it for so long" vibe of heat death.
@@cabrinius7596 I think you might be confused on what heat death is. Heat death is when entropy finally wins and there's no more heat in the entire universe; it's the death _of_ heat, not a death _by_ heat. The entire universe would be at absolute zero (-459.67°F / -273.15°C / 0°K).
If Iron Lung were real, those fish in the blood oceans would be living on borrowed time until people figure out they're there and decide that sushi is back on the menu lol
Those fish live so deep in the ocean that you need a submarine just to reach them. I don’t think you’re gonna be able to fish them out with a rod or a net, especially if they’re strong enough to tear through an iron submarine
Mushrooms will also eat bones, bones are plenty, feed the mushroom and mushroom will feed you. That could work as another setting for a different game lol.
It bugs me how these 'grimdark' settings, especially ones that go out of their way to make the situation bad, pile even _more_ stuff on top to be like 'nuh-uh, you _can't_ survive!'. It's like... what's the point? If there's no possible way to do anything meaningful, then it doesn't mean anything. The only interesting part is why any of that happened in the first place, but then... what does knowing that do? If everyone's doomed, then risking lives to figure it out is pointless. Maybe it's meant to be a more 'positive' thing, to say that people will try and learn no matter what, even with limited, dwindling resources and an impossible situation. It's like SCP. They keep throwing bigger and 'scarier' things at us, and then closing 'loopholes' to keep people from having any sense of control or comfort, despite that being the entire point of the project to begin with.
@@DonnaPinciot Almost like that's what grimdark means and is primarily focused on? It's usually intended to tell us that no matter how highly we think of ourselves and our advancements, we are ultimately a small part of an infinitely vast universe which does not care about that. If there was a way for humanity to pull itself up by its bootstraps it wouldn't be grimdark, and it would be significantly less effective cosmic horror.
@@DonnaPinciot There isn't meant to be hope in a grimdark story. That's what grimdark is. I don't even like grimdark, but your entire take is kind of like disliking ice cream for it being sweet. Like, yeah, I guess it is. I'm surprised twenty two other sentient human beings followed your take without question. You aren't even saying anything. It's just true. Although the take on SCP is much more palatable. I wish more SCP's were just oddities nowadays.
I have no doubt that humanity could figure out a way to scrape by with all the points you brought up, but I feel like the bleakness left over wasn't really addressed in the video itself. billions of people still vanished without explanation, and people will be living in terrible conditions for generations at the very least. plus a war between 2 different nations that was mentioned in the lore terminal IIRC. humanity could avoid absolute extinction, but it's still not looking great for people's happiness
That's also assuming that humanity has ships capable of near speed of light travel. Closest protostars are more than ~460 light years away and the closest nebula is 700 light years away. Meanwhile all the asteroids and moon are going to fly in the opposite directions due to the Sun no longer pulling everyone together. The rapture happened during the first mars mission which means that they don't have anything near that.
People can find happiness in the smallest of things. Once the memories of better times blur they'll probably live life just like us but with more of a focus on living every day to the fullest as it can be your last.
In reality, such a low number of people in such a bad situation would probably work together much better than the setting suggests. In warzones the civilian population usually helps each other as much as they can, and I would think the same would apply here. And that war in the lore probably wouldn't happen. If you are a leader of millions of people it's fairly easy to convince them to go to war, but if you only have a thousand or so people, and that's half of the actual human population, that war sh1t would be shut down pretty fast and the warmongering leader would quickly find himself in one of those submarines.
Well, i mean, how do you beat eldritch horrors, you follow the rules. There is a reason they arent terrifying Scp has the same thing but worse, the most terrifying monster literally is defeated by people pretending they are torturing someone. The gods literally cant decide, they can only do, so if you do rules around one, they cant even think to harm you.
@@FennKitFox in interstellar they wanted to avoid time dilation as much as possible, they already had planets they could go and populate and so just because it is a movie with time dilation does not mean it is exactly the same
the problem imo, is that what happened is clearly not natural, its like some kinda divine punishment by a cruel eldritch deity. so i dont think that you could use the statement "all stars and planets dissapeared" in that kinda way. theres no reason that whatever caused this event would not take brown dwarves for example, just because humans dont define them as stars. same with nebulas. a human would notice the dissapearance of stars and planets way before any of these other things, but that doesnt mean that those didnt still get removed. these things dont operate on fae rules and technicalities
true but then you can also do things like orbit around a black hole just fine for billions of years. or you can just mine asteroids forever and be fine. there's a lot of shit in the universe that can be used
@@JokerChany With what tools? With what fuel? With what technology? They, in lore, didn't even get out of their Solar System. And without the Sun to hold things in place, they have to keep up with the closest moons they could. So we have no idea how far from the closet black hole there are. They might as well just die before even reaching it.
@@viniciushenrique6672I mean, we KNOW they have enough technology to survive on three space stations, have enough fuel and weapons for war, and like, they HAD to travel around to find blood moons, let alone put a submarine on one. So, they’d do it with those tools, with that fuel, with that technology.
@@NosFurRatTou Do you ACTUALLY think that those resources and tools are gonna last until they EVEN REACH a Black Hole? Do you REALLY think they can survive for this long without just dying? And even then, do you really think they would have enough to get out of the Black Hole and go to some new new formed Star(If that's even possible in the first place)? Not to mention that EVEN IF they have enough, there are VERY HIGH CHANCES that the Star itself wouldn't have any planet by It. And even the Idea of mining asteroids is stupid. Because they would not only need to FIND one, but also Mine It, divide what's good and what's not, then process It, and JUST THEN they would have said resources from said asteroid. And there's high chances of having nothing of useful on several of those they find, so It is 100% Luck based. They would be wasting more than they are receiving, It's just not worth it. Not to mention that my point still stands, as they don't have faster than light technology, and the only moons they were able to keep up are the ones they were already close to. They tools are wasting away the more time passes, their fuel we don't know how low It is. And they technology is just good enough to live in space, but not thrive on it.
We don't know much of the specific details of humanity's technology and infrastructural conditions in this timeline, so we can only go by hypotheticals.
I personally think that it wasnt the planets and stars that vanished, but the space stations. They got transported to a different universe, while the people back in the original universe were like, "Where tf did the space stations go?"
That would be horrific still but at the same time really comforting-at least the bulk of humanity survived, albeit with a large amount of space paranoia.
@@Rofflestomper Because as you said, there would be comfort in knowing most of humanity is still alive in a parallel universe. It ruins the mistery and a big part of the cosmic horror intended for the setting.
@@mekingtiger9095 And how would that make it any less horrifying. Hey somehow there is some power in the universe that can transport us into another dimension on a whim. Or an alternate dimension where nothing exist that can take people from our own dimension. How is that not horrifying.
A major flaw with your plan is that to pull a lot of this off, it would require the majority of remaining humans to act rationally for extended periods of time after a near extinction level event.
Markiplier stated at the start of his first Iron Lung video that although blood contains lots of resources, but can cause gastrointestinal problems. Plus, you'll also become a vampire. EDIT 1: There's no freaking way my comment just got 5.6K likes in just 8 days. EDIT 2: Did I seriously just get 1K likes over night?
I am aware of the fact that the captions are not the best. I have deaf friends so I include captions for them. The captions are ai with me going over them to remove any issues. I missed a few and will try to do better in the future. As it turns out doing captions for a 20 minute video is a bit harder than for 1 minute shorts.
pal, dont get me wrong here, but i thought that videos require script, so why not just use it as captions? there is even shit that will do this for you - just paste your script and audio track in it nice vid btw, just needs a couple more passes on research and script
Nebulas are super low-density. You could "squeeze" a nebula that is light years across into the volume of Earth. I say "squeeze" because it's likely you would still have space left to squeeze it further. That is to say, gathering resources from a nebula would literally be picking it atom by atom..
I've got to be 100% with you, speaking as someone who's actually got a passing familiarity with space science. Even in a future with some truly amazing technological advancements, if all the stars and planets suddenly vanished, we'd be beyond screwed from a resource perspective. It takes time energy, and resources to travel, so you need for all of that travel to have a greater rate of return than the cost. You need to be able to grow food. You need a source of energy, and oxygenating hydrogen is not going to cut it for long, plus that's also the burning of your breathable atmosphere. But all that is besides the fact, because the fact that all the stars disappeared *and* you can't still see the light coming from them means that the cause of the situation is supernatural, so on top of everything else tech is going right out the airlock.
in the game, it's mentioned you CAN still see the light from the far away stars, it's even in the ending text crawl after you die. i do still agree that the situation is supernatural, because well, obviously
@@cornboi3227Stars that aren’t there can still “admit light/be there” bc light takes time to travel to our location. Even in our world, if a star dies twenty years ago but it takes the light from that star thirty years to get here, it’ll take thirty years from the date it imploded for us to notice it is gone.
3:50 You know how tenuous a nebula is, right? You’d have to somehow sweep out a cubic astronomical unit to get a meaningful amount of material. Even with sci-fi technology that’d be a huge undertaking, not to mention the fact that the world of iron lung isn’t exactly an ideal scenario for massive industrial projects 5:44 Actually, it’s believed that white dwarves may retain some of their outer planets. 6:37 It’s not so dramatic - you’d just have the iron ripped out of your blood is all. Depending on your distance. 11:15 I thought you were gonna say smth about dark matter, which would probably be intact in this scenario. 15:30 The problem with chemical fuels is that you need something to react them with, typically oxygen, which you wouldn’t want to literally burn through in this world. Yes, you could make oxygen from the water in ice or blood, but that takes power, so it’s kinda like pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps. Nuclear fission or fusion would be far wiser. Overall pretty good video but you could stand to do a smidge more research and proofread your captions.
@@joelatimer2116 Nothing "salty" about their comment. They are stating pretty reasonable ideas that the video may have gotten wrong. Do you always need to find something to bitch about?
The main "flaw" with this thinking is that even though there technically are resources out there, there's no infrastructure and not enough people to do anything about it. Yes, there's probably an asteroid that's got plenty of metals that could be harvested from it, but there's no miners. There's no more equipment, there's no one to do the work. Say if even a mining ship were to begin mining ore, where's it going to take that ore to get it processed? Then where's that metal gonna go to be cut, rolled, stamped ect, into usable components? That to me is what makes this so scary, it's like finding a car in the desert, it's keys are in the ignition, all 4 tires are in good shape... but there's no gas.
he did kind of brush over the travel distance.. to get to these places.. isnt it millions of light years? or billions? i mean thats assuming you are travelling at light speed.. which according to physics is impossible. Are we assuming there's enough supplies for thousands of generations to make the trip over to these 'natural resources' in which case, whats the point in making the trips anyway? since you can already survive for millions of years
It doesn't have to be millions of light years even. Proxima Centauri is a little over 4 light years away. That's 3.8x10^16 meters Or 38000000000000000 meters in non-scientific notation. At the speed of light, just to get there, you'll need supplies for four years. You'll also need to slow down at the halfway mark, essentially doubling the travel time. Not much good to get to a place if you then impact with it at the speed of light. So over 8 years of supplies simply for travel time, just to the closest known extrasolar objects, if you can even reach the speed of light in this universe. Clearly that's not as simple as "just fly to an asteroid and mine out all the good stuff." This isn't space engineers.
@@l0rf You'd actually need less supplies than for 8 years inside your ship if you're traveling that close to the Speed of Light due to time dilation. But to comoensate for that, you better have an IMMENSE source of energy to get to that speed to begin with.
@mekingtiger9095 wouldn't you still experience 8 years of time passing? Admittedly, I've yet to travel at light speed so I think you might be correct there and the felt time is shorter than the time passing for an outside observer would appear to be. And I fully agree that I overestimate the resource need for food and spare parts and clothes and so on, but nothing in game indicated that this humanity was even able to carry with energy on their ships to travel at FTL or lightspeed.
@@l0rf Yeah, from the perspective of the crew inside the ship, very little time would have passed as them being so close to the Speed of Light would mean their time passes very slowly from an outside perspective. From _their_ perspective they'd feel like the Universe's lenght would have been shortened to allow to get into places in just "a few steps" and then come back to normal upon deaccelerating. But during the process of initial acceleration they'd see time outside the ship accelerating to an enormous degree into the future (General Relativity). I'd recommend looking into the Twin's Paradox to get a better idea of how this works.
@@Slormpington That could actually be an interesting mod. Extract resources from the blood, fend off hordes of creatures coming from the sea, and build a space ship to explore and get what remains of resources from elsewhere.
Honestly I was confused after like a day of thinking about the situation in iron lung and this video brings up a lot of stuff that could be used to solve almost if not all the problems the people are having.
Are you sure? Half the video is built on pedantry about what is and is not a star, and on what the game means by all stars and planets being gone. Based on the implications of the game, half of the stellar objects he postulates about wouldn’t exist either.
Except almost everything in the game suggests that they have very little resources to do anything. The sub they send is probably its last and probably scraped from other pieces of the ship and other subs. They have little to no industry no matter what ship they have because there is so little left. The game itself implies the desperate nature with its own title Iron Lung, something artificial keeping something organic diseased and crippled alive and prolonging its own suffering. Humanity is suffering and everything they've tried does not work its simply too far gone.
Dont think survivability is what makes a series bleak Like in warhammer its very likely that even if they lose the war humans will likely survive in the end in one way or another Yet the setting is bleak simply because living in it is horroble and no matter what humans do they are destined to face despair and pain I never questioned if humans would survive or not in iron lung but its still one of the worst sci fi settings to live
Yup. With that I can agree. Even if total extinction might be avoidable in Iron Lung's setting, humans will still be living in awful life conditions nonetheless.
Yeah but in Warhammer there's a chance you're born on a Knight World and live your life as a happy farmer who has probably never heard of a Tyranid in his life and is guarded by millenia old war robots. Or one of the MANY OTHER relatively normal planets in the Imperium...
"find a random rock and mine it to the core and boom you got iron" I feel like you're underestimating how hard it is to get to the core of something, or how to deal with all the resources that exist. Yeah, they exist, but it's neigh impossible to get them. It's not like a sandbox where you can just extract resources and minerals. You have to have the technology, the manpower, the time, etc. to be able to do this realistically. Not to mention people still have to live, eat, drink, sleep, etc. I think you raise a valid point about there being lots of resources still in the universe, but the problem of getting to them, refining them, and turning them into something useful is the main difficulty in my opinion.
well its likely that they do have a technology capable of doing something like that as 1 they survived 300 years 2 they were able to colonize Mars in 1992 3 asteroids and such are much smaller then a planet so again its pretty likely that they would be able to mind the iron from le funni space rocks as for refining them you may have a point if it wasnt for the fact they can make subs and yk have an industry/ way to refine the materials to make the subs i dunno if u just didnt watch the video or something but like man do better
Yeah a lot of the plot holes people seem to think there are in this premise come entirely from the (probably false) assumption that the humans that are left are a-okay and have all the resources to mine and purify what's around them
@@zephyr8072They probably saw the stars of nearby systems wink out over the course of the 21 years. There's a number of them less than 21 light years away from us.
@@Ilias2 That still would only be a determination of the local group going out. Scientific analysis is precise. Nobody would make such a sweeping declaration as all stars in the galaxy vanishing if there wasn't some evidence to back it up. If all the evidence was that Sol and nearby stars vanished then that's what they would say. It would certainly be _possible_ that all stars and planetary bodies everywhere would follow the observed pattern, but it wouldn't be definitive fact since it's just as possible that it's a phenomenon restricted to a certain area of space.
@@ech9817 yep its the same story as the fictive story about a US battalion traveling to let say year 1200 or so (this is whit the logistic battalion (full truck). and think they can speed run the industrial revolution and have a rocket ready to launch a satellite in 30 years or so. Ehh not going to happen to begin whit they might at best have one Lathe but whit out a full on factory whit Lathes, tools to make more plus Bessemer process and a few other stuf. its going to be real hard. Iron Lung have the problem of space station are not industrial hubs so ods are that they are sitting there like okey can we dig into an astroid and make a base inside. nope normally you launch a one time use space ship that would fly to the astroid attach to the assstroid start to drill and then you send the rest of the base from another planet. you then use the one time space ship as part of that set up or something.
Exactly that. And btw its not survivable, I doubt the three, currently at war, space stations with a population of a couple of thousands combined could even find a supernova or a dwarf star in empty space, even if they could and had the resources to get there they would have to have the resources to mine, extract AND turn whatever they found into something useful. Not to mention the obvious that even assuming they could do that the resources required are unbelievably more than the resources produced by such processes. Everyone is fucked, dont get raptured
10:25 Water doesn't equal fuel. You have a lot of oxygen and hydrogen, yes, but the process that creates energy using them IS the formation of water. The amount of energy you are getting by forming water will never be more than the energy it takes to divide the water. You only get a net positive energy if they are already seperate in the first place.
@@hfso372Again though you'd need energy to separate them into those parts, and the energy you'd get from burning them is the same or less than what it takes to split them
They colonized the moon in the 90s im sure the space faring civilization has some sort of resource gathering method eitherwise why whould you create an space station if it cant survive on its own
"Ermmmmm... nebulas still exist!" "What do you mean how do we get to them? We have technology!" "What do you mean there's only 1000 people left and they might not all know how to use it and build it exactly considering the look of the fucking submarine?" "What do you mean we cant do anything with a nebula?"
Nebulae are extremely sparse, the gas molecules are so far apart that there isn't really any practical means of harvesting them. That said, asteroids are an absolute goldmine (quite literally, depending on the asteroid), so leaving them in does provide humanity with a lot of resources, and to a spacefaring civilisation, resources floating around in space are more useful than resources at the bottom of a gravity well anyway. However, if all stars have disappeared, then these objects are not gravitationally bound to anything and will be flying off in all directions at whatever speed they were orbiting at.
@@jimmcneal5292 According to Google, the highest estimate for the density of a planetary nebula is about 10,000 particles per cm^3. If you build a collector with an effective area of 100x100m (10km^2), and assuming the nebula is 1 light year across (let's assume uniform density for simplification, that 100% of the particles you encounter are hydrogen molecules, and let's also optimistically assume you capture 100% of the particles you encounter), you would capture at most 9.46x10^23 hydrogen molecules. This sounds like a lot, but is about 1.5 grams of hydrogen. Feel free to check my maths, I may have made a mistake. I'm rather prone to them ;)
@@jimmcneal5292 For some reason my original reply was autodeleted by RUclips. According to Google, the maximum density of a planetary nebula is about 10,000 particles per cm, and are generally about a light year across. Let's make some assumptions for simplicity's sake; uniform density, you optimistically capture 100% of the particles you interact with, and 100% of the particles are ionised hydrogen molecules (H, not H2). If we imagine a collector with an effective area of 100x100m, every cm of travel it would capture 1,000,000 particles. 1 light year is 9.461x10^17 cm, so over 1 light year you would capture 9.461x10^23 molecules of hydrogen. This is about 1.5 moles, or 1.5 grams, of hydrogen. Feel free to check my maths, I could've made a mistake, I am rather prone to them ;)
@@jimmcneal5292 For some reason my replies keep getting autodeleted. According to Google, the maximum density of a planetary nebula is about 10,000 particles per cm, and are generally about a light year across. Let's make some assumptions for simplicity's sake; uniform density, you optimistically capture 100% of the particles you interact with, and 100% of the particles are ionised hydrogen molecules (H, not H2). If we imagine a collector with an effective area of 100x100m, every cm of travel it would capture 1,000,000 particles. 1 light year is 9.461x10^17 cm, so over 1 light year you would capture 9.461x10^23 molecules of hydrogen. This is about 1.5 moles, or 1.5 grams, of hydrogen.
@jimmcneal5292 For some reason my replies keep getting autodeleted by RUclips. According to Google, the maximum density of a planetary nebula is about 10,000 particles per cm, and are generally about a light year across. Let's make some assumptions for simplicity's sake; uniform density, you optimistically capture 100% of the particles you interact with, and 100% of the particles are ionised hydrogen molecules (H, not H2). If we imagine a collector with an effective area of 100x100m, every cm of travel it would capture 1,000,000 particles. 1 light year is 9.461x10^17 cm, so over 1 light year you would capture 9.461x10^23 molecules of hydrogen. This is about 1.5 moles, or 1.5 grams, of hydrogen. Feel free to check my maths, I could've made a mistake, I am rather prone to them ;)
@@YaGirlGumptionwait im confused. are you saying that arnoclaesen8105's comment is a better response than what he just vomited up? because that literally makes no sense. your implying that his comment is better than his own comment. the other option is that you think the guy in the video is saying a better response than arnoclaesen8105, which also makes no sense because arnoclaesen8105 is basically paraphrasing what the guy in the video said. it is objectivly true that in the universe of iron lung, all planets and stars are gone. it is also true that the creator of this video described to us how and why they could/should harvest the energy from a supernova. i feel like you didnt even watch the video. like who are you talking to here make it make sense
Not hard. Get some solar panels for power, make big coils out of copper and fly through. They’re made of gas and can be scooped up with a large enough magnetic field. This is an actual concept that has been in thought since as far back as the 60s.
Plot twist; Iron Lung was the ultrakill prequel. Humanity had to learn to make blood-powered technology to take advantage of one of few remaining resources being blood.
Go to blood moon, eat blood, make underground city, expand infrastructure. Rebuild civilisation making sure to reduce inbreeding as much as possible. Its been 20 years, nuclear power doesnt last that long without refuels so they've obviously got some long term power solutions. Build more stuff down there, use sterling engines to take the heat from the blood ocean and turn it into power if you really have to.
The reason that they probably aren't trying to eat the blood is that it's an anomaly itself, with potentially unknown effects upon interaction with the human body. The blood fish theory however sounds like a plausible thing and study should be put towards them.
Seperate the blood into it’s smallest parts and into different chemicals, wouldn’t that fix it? Well, then again that‘s science and simple logic vs. Supernatural shit 💀
Yes cumulus he worded it wrong, what he meant is if light takes a billion years to travel somewhere, so will gravity as a result. Or the lack of gravity. So we wouldn’t see and feel the effects for a looong time, when the universe around us has already somehow died! Scary
I thought it was gonna be some analysis on how to use the blood ocean as a natural resource but this is kind of insane, a scrap spaceship on it's last legs is not achieving interstellar travel until it's inhabitants have already been dead for several centuries
“Umm simply go to a nebula and harvest all the hydrogen!!” This is a hilariously pop-culture version of science. It’s like the guy was informed solely by Reddit and RUclips shorts.
This is a scifi setting, so it only fair to use scifi solutions that honestly arent even that crazy. An ocean of blood and the actual rapture is infinitely more crazy and fantastical than harvesting nebulas. Should have focused more on the blood, i agree, but your drawing the line in an odd place here.
@@9volt65this is literally a sci-fi world. Those "scrap ships" are able to wage war at each other, may or may not have FTL travel, and even if they don't that's just one of the options they have. It's just a thesis about how it's _possible_ to survive in Iron Lung universe in long term, especially with the technology they probably have, feasible or not is another thing entirely. Even without nebulas, dark holes and whatnot it's still possible to survive with just a blood moon, which was stated in the video. Life would just suck.
@@turkeygod6665A rapture in the religious sense would have had nothing to do with the universe's physical laws. Traditionally in christianity, the world has always been described mechanistically, where miracles are things that are explicitly impossible within that framework.
"Not as bleak of a setting" As in that it’s bleak, but less then how it’s advertised, the setting of Iron Lung is basically a lore specifically made to make you think there is no hope left, only borrowed time, while this guy is trying to explore the possibilities that could make it less hopeless
look man, if it wasn't mentioned in the game, then it probably doesn't exist anymore. that's kind of the best way to tell and most of these objects are millions of light years away, THESE ARE SPACE STATIONS not space ships, they are designed to orbit a planet or moon, not travel long distances
@@rustinhaigood If they formed a nation together, they definitely have FTLs, in fact if humans have been colonising space since the 90s everyone definitely has FTLs
@@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479 If humanity had the technology to colonise Mars in the 90s, and have been exploring space ever since, there must be some form of FTL. Maybe wormholes, maybe Star Wars FTLs, maybe they use black holes as sling shots, maybe they use space dragons. But they definitely have some way of travelling through space on a human life time, in fact if they don’t have FTLs they’re better off. If they don’t have FTLs they must be using some form of sleeper ships so they have the technology to preserve themselves and resources for literally millions of years. Or they developed self sustaining ships, in which case the Quiet Rapture made them depressed, but they would other wise be perfectly fine. But they certainly aren’t acting perfectly fine, so they have limited resources, so they weren’t expected to stay in space for long periods of time, so they don’t use sleeper ships or similar designs. So they were expected to go through space in a shorter time span, so they have FTLs, so his argument holds up.
Assuming that the remnants of humanity could farm energy from black holes and elements from nebulae because they were able to slap a shitty leaky submarine together is like telling someone dying of thirst in the desert, “why are you complaining?? There’s oxygen and hydrogen in the air, just make some water, ya goof!”
It's made on the assumption that humanity has the tech to get what it needs. A good allegory would be explaining to bogno the caveman that he won't die of thirst because he can convert seawater to freshwater with a basic distillery, meanwhile Bogno no know how smart man want make drink drink from death water.
@@azariyelvarro6271Which is a worthless assumption, because there's no proof of it whatsoever, especially given the sort of technology he is 'expecting' to be available is orders of magnitude more advanced than what is commonly seen in sci-fi, and especially visual sci-fi.
It does raise the question: What counts as 'on a planet' to disappear? Is it being within the atmosphere? Because that thing just kinda gets thinner the further away you are. And what would that mean for objects on planest without an atmosphere? Is it things affixed to the surface? Would there be loads of cars and stuff just floating in a vaguely spherical area in the general vicinity of Earth? If it's about being in _contact_ with the ground (Which is a collection of loose particles anyway, not a solid), would there be birds and planes randomly in the area? Or did 'god' just pick a radius around each planet and go 'yeah, that seems right' and hit 'delete'?
@@DonnaPinciot I imagine it’s a radius just large enough to delete everything on the planet, like the top of the Mount Everest is the edge of the radius
Honestly this scenario would be just as terrifying, as it means there is some supernatural force that is actively preventing mankind from leaving Earth.
@@tobywatson9351Either that or one day all of the humans on spaceships and space ships blooped out of existence one day. Doesn’t stop humans from going back out but I’d reckon humans might keep themselves on planet, afraid of what’s out there. Also I do like the idea of the people in the spaceships and stations just being teleported to deep space or being teleported to another universe with the same basic rules or time traveling to the heat death of the universe. It means they might be able to find a way back home. Or show humanity’s ability to thrive even when our home world is ripped away from us.
@@quasar9768 I can use mine thank you very much you should try to use yours sometimes. Semantics The study of discussing the meaning/interpretation of words or groups of words within a certain context; usually in order to win some form of argument. Which is was NOT how the blood ocean argument was, at all. You can only claim it was just semantics to the black hole/Nebula part.
@@simulacrumpilot2777 Original comment: "*sees cool premise* *looks inside* -semantics" Your comment: ".....You can only claim it was just semantics to the black hole/Nebula part." You know that you just confirmed the original comment of being correct, right.
@@viniciushenrique6672 The original comment is saying it as if the guy only used semantics throughout this whole video to justify his points. When in reality the semantics are just bonus additional optimism and that even without the semantics, in the most bleakest form of the story with just the moons and asteroids and blood oceans, the game isn't that bleak.
also another thing is these are not advanced colonies designed for space travel, they were designed to orbit the earth. space stations are not meant to travel long distance and nebulae are VERY long distance not to mention it's incredibly difficult to collect resources from nebulas, they are not dense, they may look brigth and colourful, but zoom in and it will be pitch black. they are very thin, actually they are less dense than any vacuum created on earth. you cannot harvest resources from nebulas
@@Awesomeness-iz3dh There's a lot of intelligent people with few subs, and a lot of dumb ones with a lot of subs. We never know until we click in a video.
Ehh we're making a lot of assumptions here. At least in my mind their industrial capability is limited to mostly welding some scraps together and using limited existing equipment. There's probably less than 100 humans alive by the events of the game and they've already tried fishing and every other option before sending people in suicide missions. It's written as some sort of supernatural punishment for humans, or perhaps this particular set of humans. In any case I learned some interesting facts, cool vid.
I don't think it's written as a punishment for humans in general at all considering so many things disappeared, it seems to be written more as a "what if?". Yes, the specific human we play as was send to die for unknown reasons as a punishment by the other surviving humans, but that's only one.
One hundred? Sorry, that's TOO LOW. They have freakin research teams, coalitions, terminals and etc. That's at least several thousands worth of people. Nobody would do such stuff as sending people in a rusty cans to death and waging wars with 100 people OVERALL. Everything hints at somewhat big population, not a 100 people world.
@@shawermus there is two factions fighting for survival and one "research" team. You take everything in the world at face value when it's clearly meant to be the desperate attempts of a dying race. Again, humans fucked up and are pretty much in hell, that's the whole point of the thing. Hopefully the films focus more on this and less on markiplier himself.
when it comes to space tech, welding scrap together should be enough it's much easier for shoddy construction to work when there's no weather or appreciable gravity the big question is going to be whether they can refine a fissible element (or can build fusion reactors which would solve everything) if so, they survive easily, if not, their only sustainable source of power early on would come from fermenting blood (as even burning methane requires oxygen which takes energy to extract from oxides) and I wouldn't be as sure of whether they can survive
Yeah wrong wording at the start… what he means is, if something is billions of lightyears away, so the time light takes to travel that distance, a billion years, it will also take gravity a billion years aprox. to reach that far. Or the lack of Gravity same thing
You're acting like he isn't human and has no capability to make mistakes... While I don't agree with a good chunk of his ideas, he is still a human, he makes mistakes like all of us do.
@@shinyeeveelution789 I’m just pointing it out. Yes we’re all humans and we make mistakes, but how is one supposed to learn when mistakes are simply ignored?
Honestly, I'd say that's kind of a good thing. The premise works really well as is, and thinking too hard about it and trying to justify every little detail of the lore would honestly kinda take away from the horror of it all
For anybody scrolling through the comments, know that @duskdev is David Szymanski, the creator of Iron Lung. This is literally the dev himself saying y'all are overthinking it.
13:39 I think the problem with assuming the game experience isn’t representative of the blood ocean’s biosphere overall is the fact that the main driver of desolate deep sea ecosystems on Earth just flat out doesn’t matter. Light (even if there were stars to hypothetically provide light here) doesn’t penetrate blood at all pretty much, so the lack of energy from that source is consistent no matter the depth or whether or not you’re in a cave system (as we seem to be). A more likely explanation is probably that the sub is plain noisy and disruptive, there’s apparently enough light for eyes to be useful or, for the biosphere, was recently - the big reptilian creature is able to respond to our flash and has a pretty dang obvious eye, and the anglerfish also has fairly obvious eyes. Unless they’ve been transported to these moons somehow like the blood was, it’s not unreasonable to guess that these creatures can somehow see through the blood, and regardless can likely hear the submarine’s sonar pings (nobody really appreciates that sonar can be outright LETHAL to things caught up in it, our sub would be massacring whatever small fauna approaches it). We see nothing because nothing wants to get near us (and, in fairness, our method of finding stuff is a bit like running through a jungle with a camera flash while riding a motorcycle, in honesty)
I feel like this is less pointing out that iron lung isnt as grim as it seems, and more pointing out how many unknown variables there are to such a setting. (the nebula and protostar and dwarf star stuff might all be a moot point if they vanished too.)for example, if its literally just moons and astroids of low value (say mostly sillica and only minor amounts of metal and water) then most people left in stations would die really fast. Im sure we could sustain some amount of population, though I will say, Im unsure about using the blood oceans, considering they are an unknown biological contaminant. Though, if we assume the blood is safe to process, then yeah, having biomatter is a good thing here for many purposes.. you could potentally grow mushrooms, or use it as a crude fertilizer, for plants depending, on what sort of infrastructure there is for it. that being said, I think its still a struggle, and most of the population is going to end up in trouble.. especially if there is a huge imbalance to the resources left in the universe, and the blood ends up nonviable. (unusual chemical composition, or being highly contaminated in some anomalous way.) so it still feels like the setting is about as grim as people make it out to be.
@@Slormpington well, I'm sure that will all that blood around, you can make some sort of decent drink and snack and start contemplating building a birch world around a black hole.
3:45 small correction. Supernovi are what makes elements heavier than iron. Stars will continue to fuse elements up to iron, which is the element at which fusing any further results in a "loss" of energy
Perhaps more of a logistical problem. How do you expect them to mine out into a core of a moon in a week worth of rations. Also existing infastructure should be non existant. Imagine trying to make a factory in a spaceship. ALSO the time needed and the expertise required... one person cant know how the entire supply chain works in any detailed way.
I mean tbf,The supply chain would be very simplified because there's only a handful of people. More than likely they already know how to industrialize in space as they are far into the future. Also as he said in the video:You could expand the rations with blood pudding
Slave labor, your sending convicts on suicide missions, wasting resources on a submarine you fully expect to not make it back. I mean there you go, use the convicts and materials for the submarines to make somewhat "decent" mining facilities, there slaves/convicts, who the fuck cares if they die.
you forgot to mention that we are a man on death row and we went sent to this research as a mean of community working in exchange of freedom It definitely adds to the mood
Black Hole Reliquaries are some of my favourite sci-fi concepts. Imagine coming across an archive of untold aeons full of races otherwise long dead whos only question is 'is it over yet?'. 10/10 'nah I'd live' situation.
this video is very informative but also feels like a guy telling a bunch of submarines to build an new continent after a floor drowned everything bigger than a Caribbean island
Okay, dude. When the game says "All stars have disappeared" why would that not include Pulsars and Dwarf stars? They're still stars, it doesn't matter that they're small or different, the game says ALL stars have disappeared. And when you say the moons aren't technically moons, they WERE moons before the planet they orbited disappeared. It's just easier to continue calling them moons rather than "Giant Asteroids" or "Planetoids"
@@TheCappucinochannel-os4ne with no clear access to them at all?? it's clear that the COI basically have 2 rust filled submarines and a small amount of living space... IN SPACE, like if they could just tp to black holes and nebulars then there'd be no rusty submarines!
I assume the logic is that Moons and Asteroids are arguably closer to planets than a Pulsar and a Dwarf star is to a "normal" star? And yet moons and asteroids are there. So you could argue that there is nothing preventing a "Star remnant" being around. He does also specifically mention that such objects surviving is more hypothetical later on and prefaces it with "IF they exist". Which yet again, it makes sense to make the assumption because of how some star remnants are radically different than what a normal star is.
a lot of the stuff that was said about harvesting resources from various celestial bodies holds no weight apart from asteroids and moons. the nearest star is 4 light years away, humanity has no way of accessing any of them.
@rowbot5555 You underestimate how many moons there are in our solar system. Jupiter alone has 95 moons. And tons of ones we probably don't know about lurking at the outer edge of our solar system
Wait, does the quiet rapture happened once or whenever a star forms / planet forms it vanishes even after years of the event, If not, just wait a few days and tens of new stars and planets will form in the milky way (3-5 stars form in a day in the Milky Way)
@@Potocalter if that "best type scenario" is on iron lung, it would take a shit ton of time to have some light again because most of the newly formed stars are really close to the center of the galaxy and it doesn't seem that humanity has traveled that far so... in a billion years they could get some light
Isn't the lore that literally everything disappeared except for the ships/stations. But now there are blood moons in the middle of nowhere, almost literally. And that's it. All other planets, moons, stars, interplanetary debris, asteroids, gas clouds, EVERYTHING is gone, every individual atom of reality, disappeared. All except for the fading echo of starlight, their suns all long gone. Just the ghost of long-gone stars, and these few damn blood ocean moons.
"No useful resources" like how I look into my stocked kitchen and go "there's nothing to eat!"
"I have nothing to wear"
[ the locker is shock full of shoes ]
"I have nothing to play"
**Library full of games**
"I have nothing to use"
-shed full of tools-
"I have no sources to learn from..."
Library's honest reaction:
“No one wants to be my friend!”
All of my frie- oh wait… that’s ones true
The fish that kills you at the end of iron lung made this video
Eat the fish
@@unoriginalperson72breed the fish
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola Interesting proposal, how?
@@quirinoguy8665 just let them live together, feed them with some unwanted people from the colonies and they'll eventually choose a breeding ground. Just keep watch of the offspring so it'll grow and eventually become adults, repeat the process till you have a fish army. Why? I dunno, I think it would be cool
I thought you meant that in a different way but I’m pleasantly surprised
Surely nothing bad will come as a result of eating the eldritch space blood. Surely.
There are already creatures living in it. How bad it can really be? Besides I'll take eating eldritch space blood over starvation any day.
@@simulacrumpilot2777 The creatures:
wasnt it proved by the coi that it was indeed human blood?
@@simulacrumpilot2777 So we are opposites my dude, as I would shot myself before putting any kind of Eldritch substance inside my body. Even more so if it is human blood that is located on a moon, and that appeared after all the stars and planets in the universe had disappeared.
filtering it and separating the water from all the other chemicals in it is probably what he meant
The fish in Iron Lung being massive means there is sooo much food that it was viable for the fish to grow that big (and the blood ocean is able to host life somehow)
in deep ocean it was the opposite, animals because there are less foods and its cold animals are larger than normal because they need to store more energy to find food and lose less heat.
Yeah, it's kinda implied that the blood oceans are supernatural on some level, not only does it support life, but it turns out that the blood oceans are actually human blood. So probably god punishing humanity or something, that's the kinda vibe I'm getting
@@Monkeylighthouseit's assumed that the current state of the world is due to the effects of a cult ritual because all of the creators previous games around cults(for example Dusk)
@@dolsopolaryeah
Like one of the known deep-sea creatures, _the Colossal Squid, larger cousin of the Giant Squid?_
Deep-sea creatures are sometimes to the point where being massive is a defining feature.
Its implied that the fish where teleported to there when the quiet rapture happened
It turns out humanity's true bastion from the apocalypse is semantics.
"You're gonna die"
"Well ,Actually..."
I was actually about to comment this because of how “letter of the law not spirit” his “debunk” is.
@@WL69420which points of his are invalid? How would a space-faring civilization with advanced technology be doomed in a situation like that?
@@uku4171 How mining moons and processing the materials would actually be insanely difficult especially in a situation where humanity has minimal resources or technology at their disposal, I mean, just look at the submarine. They don’t have a lot to work with.
@@quantuminfinity4260 considering that submarine had to be produced on said moon, I'd say that was pretty damn impressive
The fact that blood oceans are able to be oceans implies that blood moons have a heat source strong enough to keep water in liquid form, and an atmosphere to stop water from boiling due to vacuum. So that means pretty much any blood moon is habitable, especially if you live on the dry land.
so basically vita carnis but on a whole new level
@@jackthulborn5448 what? what made you even think of that?
That atmosphere doesn’t necessarily have to be oxygen/nitrogen. The blood and living things also don’t necessarily have to have chemically similar biology to us
i think it said something about the blood not coagulating, i forgot though
@@daltongarrett3393It does, the blood is specifically said to be chemically identical to human blood. Although, presence of geothermal activity doesn’t mean it isn’t freezing on the surface, which it probably is, so its probably not habitable without some shelter. However, the blood can for sure be extracted and consumed either directly or by feeding its minerals as plant fertilizer, so it’d still be pretty nice
I think the bleakness was because there were about two thousand people alive in the entire universe and the largest three satellite cities were all trying to murder each other.
"As long as there's people left on the planet, someone's gonna want someone dead" - Sniper from TF2
watch as humanity discover that the weird plants and creatures that exist in the blood moon becomes "better" when they consume human blood instead of the blood from the oceon... can't wait for the humanity extinction speedrun
i mean there arent any planets left@@wolverdep4739
@@wolverdep4739 but the blood oceans *are* human blood
@@wolverdep4739most of them are doing exactly that rn
Sadly I probably wouldn't be alive to see the calamity unfold
@@tinkypoe_eI meant like, somehow blood that came from human instead of the ocean (even if its chemically the same) made the lifeforms stronger/evolve
idk, this is a horror game. they have alot of thing going on and I find it interesting
How to "uh, actually..." your way into saving humanity.
lmfao
Uh, actually. If he suggested it to whatever causes the rapture it would delete them too and drive humanity away from these suggestions.
Max leveled nerd stat
um, actually it's "um" not "uh"
@@traumatizedgeworth "errrmm actually ☝️🤓"
one thing to note, the submarine we use in the game isnt rated for the depths we go to, as explained in the opening crawl, this implies we're using an old retrofitted submarine that survived the quiet rapture and *not* a newly manufactured one, meaning we dont know what the current industrial capabilities are
Makes you wonder why they'd have such a crap submarine _before_ the apocalypse. Even OceanGate's sub didn't look that primitive inside.
Iirc, the entries on the computer imply the one we pilot was one of a series specifically made to imprison/kill off convicts and PoW from their conflict with the Martians, so it should be actually a good indicator of their current industrial abilities
@@kluevo theres also the one paper note you find on the floor
but thats probably just them resourcefully using garbage as apposed to making the submarine specifically as an execution chamber, since if they had infrastructure they could just build a new sub that automatically shuts off it's life support after going underwater... and also doesnt need to be welded shut and cut back open every single trip
@@edenengland1883 there's also a hidden picture of wreckage from an actual sub which had scientists and reaserchers on it, nothing like the sub you're in
Ocean Gate probably made it
I love the idea that whatever cosmic horror force blooped stuff out of existence was very concerned with adherence to strict human definitions of cosmic bodies.
the real way to survive iron lung is to argue semantics out loud so that whatever deity was feeling annoyed the day of the quiet rapture gives you back some of your celestial bodies
lmao
Good strawman but he talks about hypotheticals at first and then gets at the literal free food that you are visiting
@@outspadeLmfaoo
@terrariangolden6985 doesn't change the fact that whatever got rid of stars and planets broke the law of physics, so why should it care what we define as stars and planets?
Man BEATS horror game with FACTS and LOGIC
Alpharad fan?
@@slidemguy he gives us facts and logic and yet they reject him
SPEEDRUNNERS HATE HIM
Speed runners are not human in canon, they are something else entirely. They can defy the laws of physics@@abdelnajjar8191
Ace Attorney ?
The cold indifference of the universe vs the INDOMITABLE HUMAN SPIRIT
universe wins
@@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus agreed
We would win
@@LordComradeAnarchoCapitaluslies
@@cr1tikal_arcthat sounds like universe propaganda.
Humans top.
What I'm hearing is
Iron Lung's sequel should be a fishing game
Introducing:ultrakill
I ONLY SAY MORNING.
Iron Lung: 5-S
This is where the Size 2 fish lives.
isn't there a game where you're fishing fucked up looking fish out of the ocean? I think Market Planners played it recently
I knew nothing about this game before watching this video.
This makes me want to see a game about surviving in the heat death of the universe.
I mean, it's not _quite_ what you're looking for, but Frostpunk might be able to scratch that itch; at the very least, it certainly hits the whole "entropy is inevitable, and you can only avoid it for so long" vibe of heat death.
Outer wilds
Outer wilds, although it's more exploration than survival.
@@jamesruth100 more the opposite of *heat* death, but still it has that same "the end is nigh" feeling
@@cabrinius7596 I think you might be confused on what heat death is. Heat death is when entropy finally wins and there's no more heat in the entire universe; it's the death _of_ heat, not a death _by_ heat. The entire universe would be at absolute zero (-459.67°F / -273.15°C / 0°K).
If Iron Lung were real, those fish in the blood oceans would be living on borrowed time until people figure out they're there and decide that sushi is back on the menu lol
Authors: threw humanity into worst esoteric shit they can imagine
Humans: "Nah, i'd adapt"
Those fish live so deep in the ocean that you need a submarine just to reach them. I don’t think you’re gonna be able to fish them out with a rod or a net, especially if they’re strong enough to tear through an iron submarine
@@Монс-й1ь "Life, eh, finds a way"
@@cedric15773 hunting fishing lets gooo
@@cedric15773 attack submarines with sonar or some form of detection
Iron lung 2: the blood ocean is literally drained and the funny fish became sushi
Then people after sushi meals start to morph into funny fish
Then we eat the funny fish and the circle of life continues. Like delicious cannibalism with extra steps.
Mushrooms will drink the blood. Eat the mushroom. Mushrooms don't need light.
Mushrooms will also eat bones, bones are plenty, feed the mushroom and mushroom will feed you. That could work as another setting for a different game lol.
Praise mushroom. hail mushroom. mushroom is all. Let mushroom consume you.
Wait what are we talking about-?
@@binarycode404 The goddess of rot and her many domains consuming the last hidden domain of the blood god.
@@emeraldplayer5635 goddess of rot, goddess of life. Giver of the best blessing and worst curse, the one that we need to both respect and overcome.
@@mechaSurge Praise be the red mushrooms!
Fair, fair. But there’s still only a thousand humans left, and despite that, humans are *still* fighting each other!
Ya that might put a bit of a spanner in the works
It bugs me how these 'grimdark' settings, especially ones that go out of their way to make the situation bad, pile even _more_ stuff on top to be like 'nuh-uh, you _can't_ survive!'.
It's like... what's the point? If there's no possible way to do anything meaningful, then it doesn't mean anything. The only interesting part is why any of that happened in the first place, but then... what does knowing that do? If everyone's doomed, then risking lives to figure it out is pointless.
Maybe it's meant to be a more 'positive' thing, to say that people will try and learn no matter what, even with limited, dwindling resources and an impossible situation.
It's like SCP. They keep throwing bigger and 'scarier' things at us, and then closing 'loopholes' to keep people from having any sense of control or comfort, despite that being the entire point of the project to begin with.
@@DonnaPinciot yeah it's kinda dumb, clearly its not been made for logical thinking
@@DonnaPinciot Almost like that's what grimdark means and is primarily focused on? It's usually intended to tell us that no matter how highly we think of ourselves and our advancements, we are ultimately a small part of an infinitely vast universe which does not care about that. If there was a way for humanity to pull itself up by its bootstraps it wouldn't be grimdark, and it would be significantly less effective cosmic horror.
@@DonnaPinciot There isn't meant to be hope in a grimdark story. That's what grimdark is.
I don't even like grimdark, but your entire take is kind of like disliking ice cream for it being sweet. Like, yeah, I guess it is.
I'm surprised twenty two other sentient human beings followed your take without question. You aren't even saying anything. It's just true.
Although the take on SCP is much more palatable. I wish more SCP's were just oddities nowadays.
I have no doubt that humanity could figure out a way to scrape by with all the points you brought up, but I feel like the bleakness left over wasn't really addressed in the video itself. billions of people still vanished without explanation, and people will be living in terrible conditions for generations at the very least. plus a war between 2 different nations that was mentioned in the lore terminal IIRC. humanity could avoid absolute extinction, but it's still not looking great for people's happiness
That's also assuming that humanity has ships capable of near speed of light travel. Closest protostars are more than ~460 light years away and the closest nebula is 700 light years away. Meanwhile all the asteroids and moon are going to fly in the opposite directions due to the Sun no longer pulling everyone together.
The rapture happened during the first mars mission which means that they don't have anything near that.
Yep, not to mention the supernatural element. We don't actually know what's IN the blood oceans or if they're even being held there by natural means.
People can find happiness in the smallest of things. Once the memories of better times blur they'll probably live life just like us but with more of a focus on living every day to the fullest as it can be your last.
@@DJ-fb9cftf you mean supernatural its a giant frog fish not Count Dracula
In reality, such a low number of people in such a bad situation would probably work together much better than the setting suggests. In warzones the civilian population usually helps each other as much as they can, and I would think the same would apply here.
And that war in the lore probably wouldn't happen. If you are a leader of millions of people it's fairly easy to convince them to go to war, but if you only have a thousand or so people, and that's half of the actual human population, that war sh1t would be shut down pretty fast and the warmongering leader would quickly find himself in one of those submarines.
local man wins argument against incomprehensible cosmic horror over the concept of "what is a resource"
Well, i mean, how do you beat eldritch horrors, you follow the rules. There is a reason they arent terrifying
Scp has the same thing but worse, the most terrifying monster literally is defeated by people pretending they are torturing someone. The gods literally cant decide, they can only do, so if you do rules around one, they cant even think to harm you.
@@bobsterclause342if you mean scp 106, they dont pretend to torture. they actually torture.
@@bobsterclause342 Wich SCP are you refering to?
@@bobsterclause342 Wich SCP are you referring to?
@@mrheherdisruptor8975i think he refers to the old man
a horrible nearly impossible to live in situation vs. the indomitable human spirit
Yessir
"the universe is vast and bleak, but my will is limitless and unyielding."
the idea of using the time dilation of a black hole to time travel to the future when new stars can form could be the plot of a movie or something
.....until they leave the black hole and realize that what made the stars disappear is also disappearing with any new star that is born.
Sounds like Interstellar
sounds exactly like interstellar.
murph
@@FennKitFox in interstellar they wanted to avoid time dilation as much as possible, they already had planets they could go and populate and so just because it is a movie with time dilation does not mean it is exactly the same
"Well I can comprehend these manmade horrors perfectly fine, so idk maybe you just have a skill issue or smth"
the problem imo, is that what happened is clearly not natural, its like some kinda divine punishment by a cruel eldritch deity. so i dont think that you could use the statement "all stars and planets dissapeared" in that kinda way. theres no reason that whatever caused this event would not take brown dwarves for example, just because humans dont define them as stars. same with nebulas. a human would notice the dissapearance of stars and planets way before any of these other things, but that doesnt mean that those didnt still get removed. these things dont operate on fae rules and technicalities
true but then you can also do things like orbit around a black hole just fine for billions of years. or you can just mine asteroids forever and be fine. there's a lot of shit in the universe that can be used
@@JokerChany With what tools? With what fuel? With what technology?
They, in lore, didn't even get out of their Solar System.
And without the Sun to hold things in place, they have to keep up with the closest moons they could.
So we have no idea how far from the closet black hole there are. They might as well just die before even reaching it.
@@viniciushenrique6672I mean, we KNOW they have enough technology to survive on three space stations, have enough fuel and weapons for war, and like, they HAD to travel around to find blood moons, let alone put a submarine on one.
So, they’d do it with those tools, with that fuel, with that technology.
@@NosFurRatTou Do you ACTUALLY think that those resources and tools are gonna last until they EVEN REACH a Black Hole?
Do you REALLY think they can survive for this long without just dying?
And even then, do you really think they would have enough to get out of the Black Hole and go to some new new formed Star(If that's even possible in the first place)?
Not to mention that EVEN IF they have enough, there are VERY HIGH CHANCES that the Star itself wouldn't have any planet by It.
And even the Idea of mining asteroids is stupid. Because they would not only need to FIND one, but also Mine It, divide what's good and what's not, then process It, and JUST THEN they would have said resources from said asteroid. And there's high chances of having nothing of useful on several of those they find, so It is 100% Luck based.
They would be wasting more than they are receiving, It's just not worth it.
Not to mention that my point still stands, as they don't have faster than light technology, and the only moons they were able to keep up are the ones they were already close to. They tools are wasting away the more time passes, their fuel we don't know how low It is. And they technology is just good enough to live in space, but not thrive on it.
@@NosFurRatTouTraveling around in the solar system is completely different than going to the center of the galaxy.
As a British person, Iron Lung moons look absolutely scrumptious
Unlimited source of Black Pudding, enough iron to make a sword, this game is weak sauce.
@@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilunga sword? *A* sword? Brother how big is this sword
@@engi.2one as black as a goddamn pudding
Mean while in a Taiwanese head: If only we have some rise to make blood cake.
“Just harvest a super nova”, “just mine straight through a moon”.
Yes
i think this video is insane bruh
@@childofgod759watch more Isaac Arthur
We don't know much of the specific details of humanity's technology and infrastructural conditions in this timeline, so we can only go by hypotheticals.
@@mekingtiger9095 If technology kept growing at the exponential rate it did nowadays pre-Rapture we def would be capable of doing allat
I personally think that it wasnt the planets and stars that vanished, but the space stations. They got transported to a different universe, while the people back in the original universe were like, "Where tf did the space stations go?"
That would be horrific still but at the same time really comforting-at least the bulk of humanity survived, albeit with a large amount of space paranoia.
Lmao, that would be a funny plot twist, albeit entirely ruining the horror proposition of the setting.
@@mekingtiger9095 how? It’s just as if not more horrifying x
@@Rofflestomper Because as you said, there would be comfort in knowing most of humanity is still alive in a parallel universe. It ruins the mistery and a big part of the cosmic horror intended for the setting.
@@mekingtiger9095 And how would that make it any less horrifying. Hey somehow there is some power in the universe that can transport us into another dimension on a whim. Or an alternate dimension where nothing exist that can take people from our own dimension. How is that not horrifying.
A major flaw with your plan is that to pull a lot of this off, it would require the majority of remaining humans to act rationally for extended periods of time after a near extinction level event.
Humans tend to act more rationally when death is what happens if they dont act rationally
Human?? Rationality?? Lmao
There were many extraneous words in that sentence
More like "It would require humans to act rationally for periods of time."
Getting enough time and resources to act irrationally means acting rationally every now and then
@@baxterbruce9827 bros promoting illiteracy 💀 (but yea i sorta agree, its sounds like a run on sentence).
Markiplier stated at the start of his first Iron Lung video that although blood contains lots of resources, but can cause gastrointestinal problems. Plus, you'll also become a vampire.
EDIT 1: There's no freaking way my comment just got 5.6K likes in just 8 days.
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so....
we get shape shifting and inmortality?
how is that a bad thing
@@roxas5071 I take back everything I just said. Nevermind your right.
@@Sean-hn1vtand we don’t have to care about sunlight
@@dougwark6150 YEAH ITS NOT LIKE WE HAVE ONE
Just gotta cook it. It’s not like they’d be drinking it raw
In Iron Lung humanity is entirely within solar system afaik, interstellar travel might not exist yet.
so they found *4* blood oceans blindly just in the solar system?
@@ArcticCN yea nasa tracks moons. also they still have the Satellite to track moons
@@ArcticCN we also have fuel to get to moons in the Satellite and other things we have in orbit
Well that sucks.
@@rustinhaigoodno stars mean no light, and the planets disappeared, meaning that NASA did too
"You can fish the blood ocean"
Put that on the list of Very Strange Things to Hear that Still Somehow Make Sense :'D
ultrakill 5-S level
Is this a cruelty squad spin off?
@@dhans2881 frog? obtained
Turning blood into rocket fuel, breathable air, fusion fuel, carbon for algae feeding, and iron for steel, is a very isaac arthur thing to do
Not quite. I'm pretty sure there are cheap tricks to achieve those things, I'm just too lazy going over any of them.
I am aware of the fact that the captions are not the best. I have deaf friends so I include captions for them. The captions are ai with me going over them to remove any issues. I missed a few and will try to do better in the future. As it turns out doing captions for a 20 minute video is a bit harder than for 1 minute shorts.
“Not the best” captions are leagues above no captions
Resistance is futire.
@@n3r3sh77it's just common sent
applaud the effort and can only wish you luck dude
pal, dont get me wrong here, but i thought that videos require script, so why not just use it as captions? there is even shit that will do this for you - just paste your script and audio track in it
nice vid btw, just needs a couple more passes on research and script
Nebulas are super low-density. You could "squeeze" a nebula that is light years across into the volume of Earth. I say "squeeze" because it's likely you would still have space left to squeeze it further. That is to say, gathering resources from a nebula would literally be picking it atom by atom..
nah
@@JamesDheartsUndertale incredible counter argument
@@froginabucket7294 *🪑
@@JamesDheartsUndertale Thank your for your insightful remark, James Dean The Blainerific Fan!
@@YvngKrishna Np
I've got to be 100% with you, speaking as someone who's actually got a passing familiarity with space science. Even in a future with some truly amazing technological advancements, if all the stars and planets suddenly vanished, we'd be beyond screwed from a resource perspective. It takes time energy, and resources to travel, so you need for all of that travel to have a greater rate of return than the cost. You need to be able to grow food. You need a source of energy, and oxygenating hydrogen is not going to cut it for long, plus that's also the burning of your breathable atmosphere.
But all that is besides the fact, because the fact that all the stars disappeared *and* you can't still see the light coming from them means that the cause of the situation is supernatural, so on top of everything else tech is going right out the airlock.
Nah thats not true
in the game, it's mentioned you CAN still see the light from the far away stars, it's even in the ending text crawl after you die. i do still agree that the situation is supernatural, because well, obviously
Don't they have fusion in the game? Infinite energy buys you a lot of leeway
@@32BitJunkie where did you hear that
@@cornboi3227Stars that aren’t there can still “admit light/be there” bc light takes time to travel to our location. Even in our world, if a star dies twenty years ago but it takes the light from that star thirty years to get here, it’ll take thirty years from the date it imploded for us to notice it is gone.
are you saying that all we have to do to survive is...
ROCK AND STONE!
*I give you stone, you give me rock.*
For Karl!
Anybody else thought this would be a video about surviving what happens in the gameplay itself and the setting of being inside the iron lung???
if you were looking up advice to get out of that situation then my condolences it's not happening
Pray to chutulu
As the concept is rapture in space so-
Not me.
I thought I was going to get a video about the lore, but instead got a basic astronomy lesson
@@KameHameHawkTry Pyrocynicals video on it. I think he sums it up rather nicely.
3:50 You know how tenuous a nebula is, right? You’d have to somehow sweep out a cubic astronomical unit to get a meaningful amount of material. Even with sci-fi technology that’d be a huge undertaking, not to mention the fact that the world of iron lung isn’t exactly an ideal scenario for massive industrial projects
5:44 Actually, it’s believed that white dwarves may retain some of their outer planets.
6:37 It’s not so dramatic - you’d just have the iron ripped out of your blood is all. Depending on your distance.
11:15 I thought you were gonna say smth about dark matter, which would probably be intact in this scenario.
15:30 The problem with chemical fuels is that you need something to react them with, typically oxygen, which you wouldn’t want to literally burn through in this world. Yes, you could make oxygen from the water in ice or blood, but that takes power, so it’s kinda like pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps. Nuclear fission or fusion would be far wiser.
Overall pretty good video but you could stand to do a smidge more research and proofread your captions.
yeah, you lose more energy than you get by extracting hydrogen from water
the white dwarves planets would stop existing too though
Bro who are you the iron lung police? Why so salty?
@@joelatimer2116 Nothing "salty" about their comment. They are stating pretty reasonable ideas that the video may have gotten wrong. Do you always need to find something to bitch about?
@@joelatimer2116 I care about factual and scientific accuracy. This video seems to be based on science, even if it’s not perfect in its execution.
"No sunlight anywhere in the universe and oceans of blood to drink would not be so bad at all!". This guy is the ultimate vampire haha.
For real.
british gamer jk
Fr. Ultimate death
Average discord mod.
The main "flaw" with this thinking is that even though there technically are resources out there, there's no infrastructure and not enough people to do anything about it. Yes, there's probably an asteroid that's got plenty of metals that could be harvested from it, but there's no miners. There's no more equipment, there's no one to do the work.
Say if even a mining ship were to begin mining ore, where's it going to take that ore to get it processed? Then where's that metal gonna go to be cut, rolled, stamped ect, into usable components? That to me is what makes this so scary, it's like finding a car in the desert, it's keys are in the ignition, all 4 tires are in good shape... but there's no gas.
he did kind of brush over the travel distance.. to get to these places.. isnt it millions of light years? or billions? i mean thats assuming you are travelling at light speed.. which according to physics is impossible. Are we assuming there's enough supplies for thousands of generations to make the trip over to these 'natural resources' in which case, whats the point in making the trips anyway? since you can already survive for millions of years
It doesn't have to be millions of light years even. Proxima Centauri is a little over 4 light years away. That's 3.8x10^16 meters
Or 38000000000000000 meters in non-scientific notation. At the speed of light, just to get there, you'll need supplies for four years. You'll also need to slow down at the halfway mark, essentially doubling the travel time. Not much good to get to a place if you then impact with it at the speed of light. So over 8 years of supplies simply for travel time, just to the closest known extrasolar objects, if you can even reach the speed of light in this universe. Clearly that's not as simple as "just fly to an asteroid and mine out all the good stuff." This isn't space engineers.
They set convicts to moons randomly
@@l0rf You'd actually need less supplies than for 8 years inside your ship if you're traveling that close to the Speed of Light due to time dilation. But to comoensate for that, you better have an IMMENSE source of energy to get to that speed to begin with.
@mekingtiger9095 wouldn't you still experience 8 years of time passing? Admittedly, I've yet to travel at light speed so I think you might be correct there and the felt time is shorter than the time passing for an outside observer would appear to be. And I fully agree that I overestimate the resource need for food and spare parts and clothes and so on, but nothing in game indicated that this humanity was even able to carry with energy on their ships to travel at FTL or lightspeed.
@@l0rf Yeah, from the perspective of the crew inside the ship, very little time would have passed as them being so close to the Speed of Light would mean their time passes very slowly from an outside perspective. From _their_ perspective they'd feel like the Universe's lenght would have been shortened to allow to get into places in just "a few steps" and then come back to normal upon deaccelerating. But during the process of initial acceleration they'd see time outside the ship accelerating to an enormous degree into the future (General Relativity). I'd recommend looking into the Twin's Paradox to get a better idea of how this works.
Horrors are overrated, give us an epic survival game about living in a world of blood oceans and empty stars.
Put one factorio fan in iron lung and society will be rebuilt in a week.
@@SlormpingtonHow about a Dyson Sphere Program pla---Oh
@@Slormpington
That could actually be an interesting mod.
Extract resources from the blood, fend off hordes of creatures coming from the sea, and build a space ship to explore and get what remains of resources from elsewhere.
@@Slormpington As a factorio player this is 100 percent true
@@DonnaPinciot fun part of it is... you are in complete darkness
Ok, now travel interstellar to intergalactic distances without enough resources to do that
Yeah!
clearly they do if they can just send convicts wherevever
@@waffleboy9273 if they could then they wouldnt be sending convicts
@@waffleboy9273 Convicts on 1-way missions?
Mfw inertia and gravity boost from asteroids. If it has mass it has gravity.
This is basically a bunch of arguing about definitions followed by "just drink the blood, bro".
Thank you, you worded it beautifully
Correct title: how everyone else except the 1 guy on the iron lung could survive
You're pretty slow.
@@danieltodorov7753
damn bro that was so badass you really got him there
Honestly I was confused after like a day of thinking about the situation in iron lung and this video brings up a lot of stuff that could be used to solve almost if not all the problems the people are having.
I think the biggest problem in this universe is the societies surrounding it.
Are you sure? Half the video is built on pedantry about what is and is not a star, and on what the game means by all stars and planets being gone. Based on the implications of the game, half of the stellar objects he postulates about wouldn’t exist either.
@@EvilFuzzy9 who cares? Free blood n fish!
Except almost everything in the game suggests that they have very little resources to do anything. The sub they send is probably its last and probably scraped from other pieces of the ship and other subs. They have little to no industry no matter what ship they have because there is so little left. The game itself implies the desperate nature with its own title Iron Lung, something artificial keeping something organic diseased and crippled alive and prolonging its own suffering. Humanity is suffering and everything they've tried does not work its simply too far gone.
@@richardfloss832 wahh wahh wahhhh
Dont think survivability is what makes a series bleak
Like in warhammer its very likely that even if they lose the war humans will likely survive in the end in one way or another
Yet the setting is bleak simply because living in it is horroble and no matter what humans do they are destined to face despair and pain
I never questioned if humans would survive or not in iron lung but its still one of the worst sci fi settings to live
Yup. With that I can agree. Even if total extinction might be avoidable in Iron Lung's setting, humans will still be living in awful life conditions nonetheless.
Yeah but in Warhammer there's a chance you're born on a Knight World and live your life as a happy farmer who has probably never heard of a Tyranid in his life and is guarded by millenia old war robots. Or one of the MANY OTHER relatively normal planets in the Imperium...
the trillions of tyranids surrounding the galaxy:
Warhammer fantasy better
It's not sci-fi.
"find a random rock and mine it to the core and boom you got iron" I feel like you're underestimating how hard it is to get to the core of something, or how to deal with all the resources that exist. Yeah, they exist, but it's neigh impossible to get them. It's not like a sandbox where you can just extract resources and minerals. You have to have the technology, the manpower, the time, etc. to be able to do this realistically. Not to mention people still have to live, eat, drink, sleep, etc.
I think you raise a valid point about there being lots of resources still in the universe, but the problem of getting to them, refining them, and turning them into something useful is the main difficulty in my opinion.
Yeah, clickbait title. The game universe is exactly as bleak as I thought
@@SapkaliAkif I don't think it's clickbait bc he actually believes it himself. I just disagree, but it doesn't make it clickbait
well its likely that they do have a technology capable of doing something like that as
1 they survived 300 years
2 they were able to colonize Mars in 1992
3 asteroids and such are much smaller then a planet so again its pretty likely that they would be able to mind the iron from le funni space rocks
as for refining them you may have a point if it wasnt for the fact they can make subs and yk have an industry/ way to refine the materials to make the subs i dunno if u just didnt watch the video or something but like man do better
@@whyza0428 the subs are made from scraps. They arent able to refine anything. Thats why the sub is so rusted and bad.
Actually you are under estimating it
As due to lack of gravity stuff gets easier you don't need to do something you can just send drones
All of the
Yeah a lot of the plot holes people seem to think there are in this premise come entirely from the (probably false) assumption that the humans that are left are a-okay and have all the resources to mine and purify what's around them
If they were confined to the solar system then how would they know that all stars and planets everywhere vanished?
Think for a moment before typing.
@@zephyr8072They probably saw the stars of nearby systems wink out over the course of the 21 years. There's a number of them less than 21 light years away from us.
@@Ilias2 That still would only be a determination of the local group going out.
Scientific analysis is precise. Nobody would make such a sweeping declaration as all stars in the galaxy vanishing if there wasn't some evidence to back it up.
If all the evidence was that Sol and nearby stars vanished then that's what they would say.
It would certainly be _possible_ that all stars and planetary bodies everywhere would follow the observed pattern, but it wouldn't be definitive fact since it's just as possible that it's a phenomenon restricted to a certain area of space.
@@ech9817 yep its the same story as the fictive story about a US battalion traveling to let say year 1200 or so (this is whit the logistic battalion (full truck).
and think they can speed run the industrial revolution and have a rocket ready to launch a satellite in 30 years or so.
Ehh not going to happen to begin whit they might at best have one Lathe but whit out a full on factory whit Lathes, tools to make more plus Bessemer process and a few other stuf.
its going to be real hard.
Iron Lung have the problem of space station are not industrial hubs so ods are that they are sitting there like okey can we dig into an astroid and make a base inside.
nope normally you launch a one time use space ship that would fly to the astroid attach to the assstroid start to drill and then you send the rest of the base from another planet.
you then use the one time space ship as part of that set up or something.
It’s still bleak. Just because it’s survivable doesn’t mean I want to be there
Exactly
Exactly that. And btw its not survivable, I doubt the three, currently at war, space stations with a population of a couple of thousands combined could even find a supernova or a dwarf star in empty space, even if they could and had the resources to get there they would have to have the resources to mine, extract AND turn whatever they found into something useful. Not to mention the obvious that even assuming they could do that the resources required are unbelievably more than the resources produced by such processes. Everyone is fucked, dont get raptured
@@bredsheeran9453 You ignore the fact that they are in a space station which means they clearly have some way of traveling throughout space.
The title doesn’t say that it isn’t bleak, only not AS bleak as people think
If you've ever had a bad nosebleed, this is like living inside that. No thanks.
10:25 Water doesn't equal fuel. You have a lot of oxygen and hydrogen, yes, but the process that creates energy using them IS the formation of water. The amount of energy you are getting by forming water will never be more than the energy it takes to divide the water. You only get a net positive energy if they are already seperate in the first place.
I think they mean rocket fuel, seperating water into oxygen and hydrogen and reacting them together with heat for combustion
@@hfso372Again though you'd need energy to separate them into those parts, and the energy you'd get from burning them is the same or less than what it takes to split them
Bro thought he discovered the infinite energy glitch
maybe just use a water hose and newton's third law?
@@jeremychicken3339 still doesn't work sadly
"just gather hydrogen from nebulae 4head"
There's literally a pool of blood; you can get oxygen from there.
They colonized the moon in the 90s im sure the space faring civilization has some sort of resource gathering method eitherwise why whould you create an space station if it cant survive on its own
"iron lung is survivable" ok but could YOU survive it????
@@Brass319 depends, can i be the frog?
"Ermmmmm... nebulas still exist!" "What do you mean how do we get to them? We have technology!" "What do you mean there's only 1000 people left and they might not all know how to use it and build it exactly considering the look of the fucking submarine?" "What do you mean we cant do anything with a nebula?"
I guess they only sent incompetent people to space in your opinion.
Yah If I can weld together a submarine I can extract energy materials and energy from stars@@Kyonari
Nebulae are extremely sparse, the gas molecules are so far apart that there isn't really any practical means of harvesting them. That said, asteroids are an absolute goldmine (quite literally, depending on the asteroid), so leaving them in does provide humanity with a lot of resources, and to a spacefaring civilisation, resources floating around in space are more useful than resources at the bottom of a gravity well anyway. However, if all stars have disappeared, then these objects are not gravitationally bound to anything and will be flying off in all directions at whatever speed they were orbiting at.
Modified bussard's engine?
@@jimmcneal5292 According to Google, the highest estimate for the density of a planetary nebula is about 10,000 particles per cm^3. If you build a collector with an effective area of 100x100m (10km^2), and assuming the nebula is 1 light year across (let's assume uniform density for simplification, that 100% of the particles you encounter are hydrogen molecules, and let's also optimistically assume you capture 100% of the particles you encounter), you would capture at most 9.46x10^23 hydrogen molecules. This sounds like a lot, but is about 1.5 grams of hydrogen.
Feel free to check my maths, I may have made a mistake. I'm rather prone to them ;)
@@jimmcneal5292 For some reason my original reply was autodeleted by RUclips.
According to Google, the maximum density of a planetary nebula is about 10,000 particles per cm, and are generally about a light year across. Let's make some assumptions for simplicity's sake; uniform density, you optimistically capture 100% of the particles you interact with, and 100% of the particles are ionised hydrogen molecules (H, not H2).
If we imagine a collector with an effective area of 100x100m, every cm of travel it would capture 1,000,000 particles. 1 light year is 9.461x10^17 cm, so over 1 light year you would capture 9.461x10^23 molecules of hydrogen. This is about 1.5 moles, or 1.5 grams, of hydrogen.
Feel free to check my maths, I could've made a mistake, I am rather prone to them ;)
@@jimmcneal5292 For some reason my replies keep getting autodeleted.
According to Google, the maximum density of a planetary nebula is about 10,000 particles per cm, and are generally about a light year across. Let's make some assumptions for simplicity's sake; uniform density, you optimistically capture 100% of the particles you interact with, and 100% of the particles are ionised hydrogen molecules (H, not H2).
If we imagine a collector with an effective area of 100x100m, every cm of travel it would capture 1,000,000 particles. 1 light year is 9.461x10^17 cm, so over 1 light year you would capture 9.461x10^23 molecules of hydrogen. This is about 1.5 moles, or 1.5 grams, of hydrogen.
@jimmcneal5292 For some reason my replies keep getting autodeleted by RUclips.
According to Google, the maximum density of a planetary nebula is about 10,000 particles per cm, and are generally about a light year across. Let's make some assumptions for simplicity's sake; uniform density, you optimistically capture 100% of the particles you interact with, and 100% of the particles are ionised hydrogen molecules (H, not H2).
If we imagine a collector with an effective area of 100x100m, every cm of travel it would capture 1,000,000 particles. 1 light year is 9.461x10^17 cm, so over 1 light year you would capture 9.461x10^23 molecules of hydrogen. This is about 1.5 moles, or 1.5 grams, of hydrogen.
Feel free to check my maths, I could've made a mistake, I am rather prone to them ;)
Came to watch a scientist, ended up with a lawyer
"omg all planets and stars dissapeared out of nowhere!!!!!"
This guy: "uuuuh, just harvest a supernova"
Well people like you would rather piss and shit themselves and cry about how everything sucks.
Better thought out response than what you vomited up.
@@YaGirlGumptionwait im confused. are you saying that arnoclaesen8105's comment is a better response than what he just vomited up? because that literally makes no sense. your implying that his comment is better than his own comment. the other option is that you think the guy in the video is saying a better response than arnoclaesen8105, which also makes no sense because arnoclaesen8105 is basically paraphrasing what the guy in the video said. it is objectivly true that in the universe of iron lung, all planets and stars are gone. it is also true that the creator of this video described to us how and why they could/should harvest the energy from a supernova. i feel like you didnt even watch the video. like who are you talking to here make it make sense
@@sampsqwantch4612 I'm talking about the video, you dip.
Not hard. Get some solar panels for power, make big coils out of copper and fly through. They’re made of gas and can be scooped up with a large enough magnetic field. This is an actual concept that has been in thought since as far back as the 60s.
Plot twist; Iron Lung was the ultrakill prequel. Humanity had to learn to make blood-powered technology to take advantage of one of few remaining resources being blood.
THE STARS HAS VANISH
BLOOD IS FUEL
MOON IS FULL
Blood sausage 😋
ULTRALUNG
v1 casually doing the breast stroke in a swimming competition with the fish:
how do you propose a civilization of 257 achieve any of this lmfao
Go to blood moon, eat blood, make underground city, expand infrastructure. Rebuild civilisation making sure to reduce inbreeding as much as possible.
Its been 20 years, nuclear power doesnt last that long without refuels so they've obviously got some long term power solutions.
Build more stuff down there, use sterling engines to take the heat from the blood ocean and turn it into power if you really have to.
The reason that they probably aren't trying to eat the blood is that it's an anomaly itself, with potentially unknown effects upon interaction with the human body. The blood fish theory however sounds like a plausible thing and study should be put towards them.
Seperate the blood into it’s smallest parts and into different chemicals, wouldn’t that fix it? Well, then again that‘s science and simple logic vs. Supernatural shit 💀
they're literally at war, why is human experimentation off the table
Allow me to summarize this one for you all:
*"Nah, I'd win."*
1. Brown Dwarves are neither stars nor planets
2. Gravity DOES update at the speed of light because gravitational waves travel at the speed of light.
Brown dwarves are gas giants lol
@@nahbynot really they have a fusion reaction happening meaning that they can’t be definded and a planet
@@nahby No they are not. They classified as substellar objects, or substars.
Yes cumulus he worded it wrong, what he meant is if light takes a billion years to travel somewhere, so will gravity as a result. Or the lack of gravity. So we wouldn’t see and feel the effects for a looong time, when the universe around us has already somehow died! Scary
Brown dwarves are failed stars that are a huge disappointment to their parents.
I thought it was gonna be some analysis on how to use the blood ocean as a natural resource but this is kind of insane, a scrap spaceship on it's last legs is not achieving interstellar travel until it's inhabitants have already been dead for several centuries
“Umm simply go to a nebula and harvest all the hydrogen!!”
This is a hilariously pop-culture version of science. It’s like the guy was informed solely by Reddit and RUclips shorts.
@@9volt65 lmao exactly how I felt watching this
This is a scifi setting, so it only fair to use scifi solutions that honestly arent even that crazy. An ocean of blood and the actual rapture is infinitely more crazy and fantastical than harvesting nebulas. Should have focused more on the blood, i agree, but your drawing the line in an odd place here.
@@9volt65this is literally a sci-fi world. Those "scrap ships" are able to wage war at each other, may or may not have FTL travel, and even if they don't that's just one of the options they have. It's just a thesis about how it's _possible_ to survive in Iron Lung universe in long term, especially with the technology they probably have, feasible or not is another thing entirely. Even without nebulas, dark holes and whatnot it's still possible to survive with just a blood moon, which was stated in the video. Life would just suck.
@@turkeygod6665A rapture in the religious sense would have had nothing to do with the universe's physical laws. Traditionally in christianity, the world has always been described mechanistically, where miracles are things that are explicitly impossible within that framework.
Just because the setting is survivable doesn't make it not bleak
Just because its bleak doesn't make it unsurvivable
@@crowbirdryuell Just because it's unsurvivable doesn't make it a setting
"Not as bleak of a setting"
As in that it’s bleak, but less then how it’s advertised, the setting of Iron Lung is basically a lore specifically made to make you think there is no hope left, only borrowed time, while this guy is trying to explore the possibilities that could make it less hopeless
"Not as bleak"
As in there is more hope than the game let's on, even if it's still bleak.
Ngl i didn't see the "as" in the title lol
Yeah I think the universe literally disappearing makes it impossible
look man, if it wasn't mentioned in the game, then it probably doesn't exist anymore. that's kind of the best way to tell
and most of these objects are millions of light years away, THESE ARE SPACE STATIONS not space ships, they are designed to orbit a planet or moon, not travel long distances
“the consolidation of iron, or c.o.i, is a brotherhood of three space stations and two spacecrafts”
@@MichealFelk "light years away"
@@rustinhaigood If they formed a nation together, they definitely have FTLs, in fact if humans have been colonising space since the 90s everyone definitely has FTLs
Who knows? We could have a nation on the moon without ftl's. The sheer tiny scale too doesn't really help either.@@MichealFelk
@@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479 If humanity had the technology to colonise Mars in the 90s, and have been exploring space ever since, there must be some form of FTL. Maybe wormholes, maybe Star Wars FTLs, maybe they use black holes as sling shots, maybe they use space dragons. But they definitely have some way of travelling through space on a human life time, in fact if they don’t have FTLs they’re better off.
If they don’t have FTLs they must be using some form of sleeper ships so they have the technology to preserve themselves and resources for literally millions of years. Or they developed self sustaining ships, in which case the Quiet Rapture made them depressed, but they would other wise be perfectly fine. But they certainly aren’t acting perfectly fine, so they have limited resources, so they weren’t expected to stay in space for long periods of time, so they don’t use sleeper ships or similar designs.
So they were expected to go through space in a shorter time span, so they have FTLs, so his argument holds up.
Assuming that the remnants of humanity could farm energy from black holes and elements from nebulae because they were able to slap a shitty leaky submarine together is like telling someone dying of thirst in the desert, “why are you complaining?? There’s oxygen and hydrogen in the air, just make some water, ya goof!”
It's made on the assumption that humanity has the tech to get what it needs.
A good allegory would be explaining to bogno the caveman that he won't die of thirst because he can convert seawater to freshwater with a basic distillery, meanwhile Bogno no know how smart man want make drink drink from death water.
Not really. It's not any more technical than that. It's just brute force at this point.
Ehm...isnt the solution just "make it really hot"?
@@azariyelvarro6271Which is a worthless assumption, because there's no proof of it whatsoever, especially given the sort of technology he is 'expecting' to be available is orders of magnitude more advanced than what is commonly seen in sci-fi, and especially visual sci-fi.
@@azariyelvarro6271 And humanity in that universe certainly had that technology... but it most likely was on Earth or Mars.
Meanwhile on earth: All space crafts, moons and asteroids on solar system disappeared.
It does raise the question:
What counts as 'on a planet' to disappear?
Is it being within the atmosphere? Because that thing just kinda gets thinner the further away you are. And what would that mean for objects on planest without an atmosphere?
Is it things affixed to the surface? Would there be loads of cars and stuff just floating in a vaguely spherical area in the general vicinity of Earth?
If it's about being in _contact_ with the ground (Which is a collection of loose particles anyway, not a solid), would there be birds and planes randomly in the area?
Or did 'god' just pick a radius around each planet and go 'yeah, that seems right' and hit 'delete'?
@@DonnaPinciot I imagine it’s a radius just large enough to delete everything on the planet, like the top of the Mount Everest is the edge of the radius
Honestly this scenario would be just as terrifying, as it means there is some supernatural force that is actively preventing mankind from leaving Earth.
@@tobywatson9351Either that or one day all of the humans on spaceships and space ships blooped out of existence one day. Doesn’t stop humans from going back out but I’d reckon humans might keep themselves on planet, afraid of what’s out there.
Also I do like the idea of the people in the spaceships and stations just being teleported to deep space or being teleported to another universe with the same basic rules or time traveling to the heat death of the universe. It means they might be able to find a way back home. Or show humanity’s ability to thrive even when our home world is ripped away from us.
the blood oceans are made of human blood iirc. so...
I’m not sure I’m going to last long enough to figure out if this man is going to make a single point that isn’t just semantically
**sees cool premise**
**looks inside**
-semantics
Using the Blood Oceans isn't some semantics. It's a perfectly logical conclusion anyone with half a working brain could've come up with.
@@simulacrumpilot2777 well, maybe use your half to look up what semantics are before commenting
@@quasar9768 I can use mine thank you very much you should try to use yours sometimes.
Semantics
The study of discussing the meaning/interpretation of words or groups of words within a certain context; usually in order to win some form of argument.
Which is was NOT how the blood ocean argument was, at all. You can only claim it was just semantics to the black hole/Nebula part.
@@simulacrumpilot2777 Original comment:
"*sees cool premise*
*looks inside*
-semantics"
Your comment:
".....You can only claim it was just semantics to the black hole/Nebula part."
You know that you just confirmed the original comment of being correct, right.
@@viniciushenrique6672 The original comment is saying it as if the guy only used semantics throughout this whole video to justify his points. When in reality the semantics are just bonus additional optimism and that even without the semantics, in the most bleakest form of the story with just the moons and asteroids and blood oceans, the game isn't that bleak.
also another thing is these are not advanced colonies designed for space travel, they were designed to orbit the earth. space stations are not meant to travel long distance and nebulae are VERY long distance
not to mention it's incredibly difficult to collect resources from nebulas, they are not dense, they may look brigth and colourful, but zoom in and it will be pitch black. they are very thin, actually they are less dense than any vacuum created on earth. you cannot harvest resources from nebulas
just turn the blood into milk
bilk
@@quackelstheduck2040 mlood
..how?!
@@oak.. blood milk machine
@@studentcopyofburgerking8108tastes just like the stuff at the hospital
I came to watch an astrophysicist, and instead I got a pedantic English student.
Mood
You came to watch an astrophysicist? Buddy, this is a RUclips channel with less than 20k subs. I don't know what you were expecting.
@@Awesomeness-iz3dh There's a lot of intelligent people with few subs, and a lot of dumb ones with a lot of subs.
We never know until we click in a video.
Ehh we're making a lot of assumptions here.
At least in my mind their industrial capability is limited to mostly welding some scraps together and using limited existing equipment. There's probably less than 100 humans alive by the events of the game and they've already tried fishing and every other option before sending people in suicide missions. It's written as some sort of supernatural punishment for humans, or perhaps this particular set of humans. In any case I learned some interesting facts, cool vid.
I don't think it's written as a punishment for humans in general at all considering so many things disappeared, it seems to be written more as a "what if?".
Yes, the specific human we play as was send to die for unknown reasons as a punishment by the other surviving humans, but that's only one.
One hundred? Sorry, that's TOO LOW. They have freakin research teams, coalitions, terminals and etc. That's at least several thousands worth of people. Nobody would do such stuff as sending people in a rusty cans to death and waging wars with 100 people OVERALL.
Everything hints at somewhat big population, not a 100 people world.
@@shawermus there is two factions fighting for survival and one "research" team. You take everything in the world at face value when it's clearly meant to be the desperate attempts of a dying race.
Again, humans fucked up and are pretty much in hell, that's the whole point of the thing.
Hopefully the films focus more on this and less on markiplier himself.
@@namelessnocebo Nah, humans would win.
when it comes to space tech, welding scrap together should be enough
it's much easier for shoddy construction to work when there's no weather or appreciable gravity
the big question is going to be whether they can refine a fissible element (or can build fusion reactors which would solve everything)
if so, they survive easily, if not, their only sustainable source of power early on would come from fermenting blood (as even burning methane requires oxygen which takes energy to extract from oxides) and I wouldn't be as sure of whether they can survive
11:21 “Gravity doesn’t update at the speed of light” then immediately explains how gravity moves at the speed of light lmao
Exactly!
Like, bruh!
Yeah wrong wording at the start… what he means is, if something is billions of lightyears away, so the time light takes to travel that distance, a billion years, it will also take gravity a billion years aprox. to reach that far. Or the lack of Gravity same thing
You're acting like he isn't human and has no capability to make mistakes... While I don't agree with a good chunk of his ideas, he is still a human, he makes mistakes like all of us do.
@@shinyeeveelution789 I’m just pointing it out. Yes we’re all humans and we make mistakes, but how is one supposed to learn when mistakes are simply ignored?
@@shinyeeveelution789it's an edited video with a script, not a livestream.
I honestly didn't think about it very deeply lmao
Honestly, I'd say that's kind of a good thing. The premise works really well as is, and thinking too hard about it and trying to justify every little detail of the lore would honestly kinda take away from the horror of it all
For anybody scrolling through the comments, know that @duskdev is David Szymanski, the creator of Iron Lung. This is literally the dev himself saying y'all are overthinking it.
13:39
I think the problem with assuming the game experience isn’t representative of the blood ocean’s biosphere overall is the fact that the main driver of desolate deep sea ecosystems on Earth just flat out doesn’t matter. Light (even if there were stars to hypothetically provide light here) doesn’t penetrate blood at all pretty much, so the lack of energy from that source is consistent no matter the depth or whether or not you’re in a cave system (as we seem to be). A more likely explanation is probably that the sub is plain noisy and disruptive, there’s apparently enough light for eyes to be useful or, for the biosphere, was recently - the big reptilian creature is able to respond to our flash and has a pretty dang obvious eye, and the anglerfish also has fairly obvious eyes. Unless they’ve been transported to these moons somehow like the blood was, it’s not unreasonable to guess that these creatures can somehow see through the blood, and regardless can likely hear the submarine’s sonar pings (nobody really appreciates that sonar can be outright LETHAL to things caught up in it, our sub would be massacring whatever small fauna approaches it). We see nothing because nothing wants to get near us (and, in fairness, our method of finding stuff is a bit like running through a jungle with a camera flash while riding a motorcycle, in honesty)
True
I feel like this is less pointing out that iron lung isnt as grim as it seems, and more pointing out how many unknown variables there are to such a setting. (the nebula and protostar and dwarf star stuff might all be a moot point if they vanished too.)for example, if its literally just moons and astroids of low value (say mostly sillica and only minor amounts of metal and water) then most people left in stations would die really fast.
Im sure we could sustain some amount of population, though I will say, Im unsure about using the blood oceans, considering they are an unknown biological contaminant. Though, if we assume the blood is safe to process, then yeah, having biomatter is a good thing here for many purposes.. you could potentally grow mushrooms, or use it as a crude fertilizer, for plants depending, on what sort of infrastructure there is for it.
that being said, I think its still a struggle, and most of the population is going to end up in trouble.. especially if there is a huge imbalance to the resources left in the universe, and the blood ends up nonviable. (unusual chemical composition, or being highly contaminated in some anomalous way.) so it still feels like the setting is about as grim as people make it out to be.
"All the stars and planets in the galaxy have poofed out of existence"
(Still keeps picture of all of the stars in the shot)
I mean... The light would still be travelling across space
@@batatanna you kinda right
Aww I wanted to comment that
The game does specifically mention that starlight is still around
@@idioticlight yassss ✨️ science ✨️
Isac arthur viewers be like:
Short your onto me
@@Slormpington well, I'm sure that will all that blood around, you can make some sort of decent drink and snack and start contemplating building a birch world around a black hole.
Exposed!
3:45 small correction. Supernovi are what makes elements heavier than iron. Stars will continue to fuse elements up to iron, which is the element at which fusing any further results in a "loss" of energy
Perhaps more of a logistical problem.
How do you expect them to mine out into a core of a moon in a week worth of rations.
Also existing infastructure should be non existant. Imagine trying to make a factory in a spaceship. ALSO the time needed and the expertise required... one person cant know how the entire supply chain works in any detailed way.
I mean tbf,The supply chain would be very simplified because there's only a handful of people. More than likely they already know how to industrialize in space as they are far into the future. Also as he said in the video:You could expand the rations with blood pudding
@@orangequill1645also air and if you say blood ocean the blood there may be toxic
Slave labor, your sending convicts on suicide missions, wasting resources on a submarine you fully expect to not make it back. I mean there you go, use the convicts and materials for the submarines to make somewhat "decent" mining facilities, there slaves/convicts, who the fuck cares if they die.
12:30 this is assuming a 100% effective separation meaning nothing was lost during the purification
you forgot to mention that we are a man on death row and we went sent to this research as a mean of community working in exchange of freedom
It definitely adds to the mood
“Us humans are just too bad at surrendering”
-Metro Exodus
Black Hole Reliquaries are some of my favourite sci-fi concepts. Imagine coming across an archive of untold aeons full of races otherwise long dead whos only question is 'is it over yet?'.
10/10 'nah I'd live' situation.
this video is very informative but also feels like a guy telling a bunch of submarines to build an new continent after a floor drowned everything bigger than a Caribbean island
nah
Na, it’s telling people to use the salt water after we run out of fresh water
@@duckpotat9818 Nah its telling people how to fix there broken radio, but having same people shit and piss themselves and tell you everything sucks.
@@duckpotat9818 it's like telling a bunch of islanders after modern society collapsed to use salt water after we run out of fresh water
Okay, dude. When the game says "All stars have disappeared" why would that not include Pulsars and Dwarf stars? They're still stars, it doesn't matter that they're small or different, the game says ALL stars have disappeared. And when you say the moons aren't technically moons, they WERE moons before the planet they orbited disappeared. It's just easier to continue calling them moons rather than "Giant Asteroids" or "Planetoids"
Black holes and nebula still exist
@@daniiii888 Neither of which are stars
@@daniiii888 and neither of them are that helpful
@@TheCappucinochannel-os4ne with no clear access to them at all?? it's clear that the COI basically have 2 rust filled submarines and a small amount of living space... IN SPACE, like if they could just tp to black holes and nebulars then there'd be no rusty submarines!
I assume the logic is that Moons and Asteroids are arguably closer to planets than a Pulsar and a Dwarf star is to a "normal" star? And yet moons and asteroids are there. So you could argue that there is nothing preventing a "Star remnant" being around.
He does also specifically mention that such objects surviving is more hypothetical later on and prefaces it with "IF they exist". Which yet again, it makes sense to make the assumption because of how some star remnants are radically different than what a normal star is.
my man going "um, actually" for 19 minutes and 15 seconds
mankind persists
a lot of the stuff that was said about harvesting resources from various celestial bodies holds no weight apart from asteroids and moons. the nearest star is 4 light years away, humanity has no way of accessing any of them.
They found four blood oceans just on the moons they have seen flying through space, that suggests they have FTL technology.
@rowbot5555 You underestimate how many moons there are in our solar system. Jupiter alone has 95 moons. And tons of ones we probably don't know about lurking at the outer edge of our solar system
Bro has NO concept how high the ratio of empty space to non planetary resources and fuel is
Bro has no idea how much extra matter you would need to send random convicts to random moons
That too!
Like wtf
@@nobodyimportant4778 are you replying you to me? Or yourself?
I mean, they found multiple blood oceans on moons, looks like they are finding them pretty quickly even when space is empty
@neerajnandan3519 prob not hard to notice the only remaining things when everything else is straight up gone.
"just drink the blood"
Alien STDs:
*Human stds
Cosmic horror crisis event gets absolutely OBLITERATED by human HOPE AND WILLPOWER 🔥🕯️
idk what i was expecting when I clicked on this video but it definitely wasn't a surprisingly useful astronomy lesson
id go vampire mode if i was desperate enough, i wont lie to the people
At least your honest, unlike a lot of people. Cause lets be real, if push comes to shove, that soylent green is looking mighty tasty.
This is some "just shoot ice at the sun to fix global warming" ahhh logic
That edit of the cat eating the stars and planets was so unexpectedly hilarious I had to like the video immediately 🤣🤣
Wait, does the quiet rapture happened once or whenever a star forms / planet forms it vanishes even after years of the event, If not, just wait a few days and tens of new stars and planets will form in the milky way (3-5 stars form in a day in the Milky Way)
If quiet rapture is a constant removing, then the blood oceans still wild provide some respite, but ya constant rapture is a bit rough
via... what matter? it gets poofed out of existence, and stars and planets form out of the material and energy left behind by other stars and planets
@@fionaton179 If nebulas and moons stille xist in the universe, stars will form again like nobodys business
@@Potocalter if that "best type scenario" is on iron lung, it would take a shit ton of time to have some light again because most of the newly formed stars are really close to the center of the galaxy and it doesn't seem that humanity has traveled that far so... in a billion years they could get some light
That's incorrect, it's only 7 stars per year in the Milky Way.
I thought this was about the medical iron lung, heh
Isn't the lore that literally everything disappeared except for the ships/stations.
But now there are blood moons in the middle of nowhere, almost literally.
And that's it.
All other planets, moons, stars, interplanetary debris, asteroids, gas clouds, EVERYTHING is gone, every individual atom of reality, disappeared.
All except for the fading echo of starlight, their suns all long gone.
Just the ghost of long-gone stars, and these few damn blood ocean moons.
The game says that only star and planets dissapeared as far i know