In the Doctor Who episode The Stolen Earth, Wilf manages to hit the Dalek's eyestalk with a paintball, getting through the forcefield, something that potential bullets struggle to do. Maybe that means that the forcefield is only able to stop conventional weapons, like metal and energy blasts. Using thaat idea, I wonder if a spud gun would be useful against a Dalek, or a BB gun that fires plastic BBs.
Legit but they just wiped the paint off there eyes also the daleks in that where able to be hit with bullets but it didn't kill them same with the sontarains until UNIT used the special bullets
I would also add that, according to the novel _Prisoner of the Daleks,_ the Dalek force field is also vulnerable from below. One of the main characters is able to ground Dalek X by firing upwards while it hovers over their hiding spot.
Prisoner of the Daleks is an interesting read, I need to do a full video on it at some point. It seems to be working on the assumption that New Who Daleks 'overwrote' the Classic Who Daleks, as the decision to use bronze Daleks for the Second Dalek War is an odd one. Granted, New Who used bronze Daleks against Movellans in Series 10, but that can be interpreted as the Paradigm going back and resuming their old wars, whereas Prisoner of the Daleks seems to indicate that the Second Dalek War always had bronze Daleks, instead of the grey ones we see in Planet of the Daleks
@@dalekbumps I tend to gloss over character descriptions, so I didn't even realise the Daleks in _Prisoner_ were bronze until I heard you say so in a video. Because it's said to be pre-Time War, I just assumed the author had used Classic Who designs, but the cover designer either couldn't find HD photos or was told by higher-ups _"You need to use the modern Daleks, they're more recognisable, otherwise customers won't be interested in buying it!"_
@PerovNigma Yeah, I reckon it was a stipulation given for marketing reasons. It's not just the cover, though, the text explicitly describes them as bronze too, despite also being pre-Time War.
I love the Dalek Force Shield. I often visualize fighting them as enemies in 1st-person shooter games like Halo because of it. Often makes me wish for a spinoff DW game like that taking place into the far future after the initial Dalek Wars.
It would be interesting to have a Doctor Who FPS where you fight against Sontarans, Cybermen etc and have a great time, only for it to transition into a survival-horror type game when you encounter a Dalek and realise all your weapons are useless and all you can do is try to hide
@@dalekbumps I agree. It'd really ramp up the daunting realization that you're in a hopeless scenario. I like to imagine that there could be moments where the Sontarans & even the Cybermen begin to retreat or back-off from engaging entirely prior to the player's first Dalek encounter, all just to set the mood. I made supposed concept art for such a game if you'd like to see? It goes in a different direction than your pitch, however.
Halo has Shields for elites and brutes ,jackals also have Shields but all you have to do is hit it with a heavy weapon to insta kill them .A doctor who FPS game similar to AVP for the xbox 360 with its 4 campaigns timelord being your own custom doctor ,dalek mode ,villan mode and companion mode
@@declangaming24 Dude, that is legit the concept idea that I had! I love that game! In my concept, the Daleks would have been the typical tank, they could soak up damage and are essentially the unstoppable yet slow-moving force. The Cybermen would have involved team-based placement strategies, commanding units with a coordinating Cyberleader. Humanity would have been about super-soldiers with a run-&-gun style of gameplay, as they could utilize adaptive weaponry from fallen enemies. Like a Dalek Gunstick attachment or integrating a broken Cybermen arm like an electrical bayonet or as a secondary projectile weapon. Each faction you'd play as can alternate between 1st-3rd person, each would have a different HUD style, and all of their campaigns would have convened on one planet.
The quote in e01e06 'dalek' about someone bursting into flames after just *touching* a dalek... Its very evocative, I wish we could see it happen. I imagine it as a secondary short-range weapon, making melee combat impossible unless you have a light saber or something. Imagine three daleks moving through a forest, with foliage within 4 feet just erupting into flames. To primitive races, it would be god-like.
The bursting into flames thing is such a great detail. Lore accurate Daleks are genuinely unstoppable, they truly are the most effective fighting force I can think of. Sadly on screen Dalek strength has been fading for a long time and these cool features have never shown up again
When the daleks exterminated floor zero, they initially just advanced on the crowd without firing. You eventually hear them start firing over the comm, but imagine if they'd just moved into the crowd, immolating everyone.
I like the mix, sometimes shields sometimes no shields, though the Daleks in the series 4 2 part ending should have had shields (theywere after all, surpose to be a fully fledged Daleks empire at the height of its power), but everything in this video now makes everything about the Daleks in Doctor Who make a lot more sense, thanks for this great video summarising and putting the Daleks into context. 😊
I love the effort put in to explaining away different writer’s inconsistencies over the years. The shields are there or not depending on its convenient for the script. All there is to it
That's the fundamental explanation for the inconsistency, but it isn't all there is to it. The decision to depict Daleks without shields for script reasons creates avenues for speculation as to the in-universe explanation for the lack of shields
I'm convinced both sides slightly devolved technologically after the Timewar due to a lack of resources and the deaths of scientists and countless members of both races, resulting in a loss of knowledge. This is my headcannon for why the Daleks seem weaker post Series 3 and why the Master was so easily able to kill the Time lords.
That makes a lot of sense, especially for the Time Lords. Rassilon's traditionalist dogma and despotic totalitarian rule may have 'helped' Gallifrey during the Time War, but it would have been terrible for the planet in peacetime. That's why I have no doubt that there are other Time Lords scattered across the universe, like Romana, Narvin, Flavia or Susan, who were disgusted with Rassilon's reign and left the homeworld before the Master destroyed it. As for the Daleks, I think the answer is more simple. They did away with their shields because they simply didn't need them anymore. Sort of like how modern navy vessels have fewer individual guns than historic warships - their resources are focused on other, more important technologies than just guns, guns, guns. Same with the Daleks - now that they're not fighting a Time War anymore, they don't need a super-overpowered shield in order to be the most powerful thing on the battlefield, so they don't waste resources fitting every lowly drone with one
@@dalekbumps I agree, it makes sense. I think there are different versions of the Time War era casing too featured in multiple post series 4 episodes. Based on Into The Dalek's layout of the casing, filled with corridors and an enclosed chamber for the mutant vs Series 9 onwards where the casing is hollow without an enclosed chamber for the mutant I'd say The Daleks are constantly changing their casings. My other reason for the lack of knowledge was I always wondered why The Daleks didn't just build another reality bomb post Paradigm, my head-cannon was always that they simply lost the technical knowledge to do so.
@@TheDarkWhovian Into the Dalek does present a lot of interesting questions regarding Dalek lore, as does the Series 9 opening two-parter, I need to do more videos on those. As for the Reality Bomb, I think even the Daleks came to realise what a terrible idea it was, as without the Crucible/Medusa Cascade to protect them, it would inevitably lead to their own destruction as well - as we saw during Flux
@@dalekbumps Yeah I always found the implication of the speech system in the Series 9 opener to be a bit irritating to me. I get what Moffat was trying to do and it does pose some interesting questions as to how and why The Daleks act as they do, but it just felt ah. Yeah I'd imagine the Daleks wouldn't go through the same plan twice thinking it would lead to failure, the flux did make me question their technological abilities too as I always assumed they'd be able to defend themselves against an event like that. Definitely looking forward to videos on the subject! :)
@@dalekbumps Even more evidence for this idea on the Time Lords' end is that in Hell Bent, set after the war, they've basically become impotent and trapped in their city, as evidenced by them yelling at the Doctor to come back after he stole another TARDIS rather than actually stopping him. Ironically enough that's kind of a role reversal with the Daleks, who now dominate the universe after being initially trapped in their city on Skaro...
5:09 Dalek has a really short plunger for some reason.... (And if you pause it at the right time, you can see it looks like someone's sleeve is covering the left side of the screen)
Especially with the post Nightmare of Silver Cybermen having eliminated their gold weakness, being capable of flight, FTE speed and adapting to superior firepower.
i also would suggest that the shield probably prevents outgoing fire from the dalek ( but it is made up space science so having a 1 way shield is not outrageous, and I do think that possibly davros' chair make have had one version of that when the doctor took it for a spin.)
The shield also doesn't really make sense against humans since it's weak to being overwhelmed and there are tons of human weapons that just throw loads of lead down range. It's probably way more effective against energy weapons while the armor is perfectly fine against kinetic threats.
I LOVE the fact that Nu-Who added teh Dalek Force Field... As it was something that Terry Nation himself had said Daleks did have ... And it was even addressed in one of the Short Lived DALEK ANNUALS released by Fleetway Publishing in the UK. Unfortunately, While I can find Images and Scans on Google... I dont have the Books... And teh scans out here are just the main picture which like a "Anatomy Book" has a cutaway that lists the different parts of a Dalek... So, the actual details of their force field as written by Nation are lost to time! Thats also where the idea comes from that the Dalek Bulbs on their domes are also, Like the Eyestalks... A Weakness! Of course in reality they are there so that the Cast and Crew could discern which Dalek was actually speaking, But Terry Nation fleshed it out more and made them "Heat Dissipaters" - The Internal Systems of a Dalek produce a lot of heat, so even Speaking can COOK a Dalek in its shell... So teh Bulbs expel that excess heat! Smash Them... Cripple or even KILL a Dalek! But that's NATIONS CANON... Who knows if we will ever see it added to Doctor Who properly! (Dont know why not... Other than creating a few continuity errors with Classic Who, They have used many other touches that Nation added himself... Including Dalek Levitation... Dalek Hover Craft... )
@dalekbumps can you do a video on who'd win between a fight between the Daleks and the 1953 film Martians? Both use protective blisters and energy weopens.
The forcefield disappearing, the shoulder mid section no longer rotating, no more temporal shift, the removal of weathering from the props, the downfall of the Daleks in NuWho and honestly it's all down to laziness. Much easier to put bullet bouncing effects or sparks when Daleks get hit rather than a forcefield animation.
There's no way that's true. The forcefield was without a doubt an easy way to justify the lack of impact sparks and meant that firearms effects required way less SFX work since literally half of the work was gone. The removal of the force field probably was motivated by a desire to return to practical effects that have more impact.
I hope the next Daleks don’t actually use force fields and have a greater feeling of reality, like we really see as some Daleks have dents and scratches etc
I have a question I know the Timelords attempted to stop the creation of the Daleks many times by travelling to the past, leading to the skaro degradations however did they ever send one of their own back to gallifrey to inform the then Timelords where they could launch a real time conventional military attack on Skaro before the Daleks had the capability to leave the planet and when they numbered less than a hundred? I admit my knowledge of the rules of time travel is limited and on time travel wars is even less but real time actions seem to be more permanent in the time stream than time travel attacks as the various times the Daleks invaded earth only to be forgotten by most of the population till the then real time Daleks invaded in the 22nd century shows.
@@ryancarter1080 Good question - there's some discrepancy in the lore surrounding the leadup to the Time War but as I understand it, the Time Lords didn't have a military during the timespan of Classic Who, aside from small detachments of security staff like the Chancellory Guard. There hadn't been a military threat to Gallifrey since the Dark Times, which is part of the reason why they were so worried about the Daleks. There aren't many concrete details on the precise history of the early phases of the Time War (hopefully Big Finish will elaborate more on that in the 8th Doctor & Liv & Helen audios that are still ongoing - they recently had one where the 8th Doctor encounters the Time War design of Dalek for the first time, so it seems like they might be heading in that direction) but from what we can infer from the 8th Doctor Time War audios, the Daleks sprung the war on the Time Lords who then had to scramble to assemble a military to counter them. I'd recommend listening to the 6th Doctor audio story 'The Apocalypse Element', it features a very early incursion into Gallifrey conducted by the Daleks, and it paints a great picture of the state Gallifrey was in before the war and how woefully unprepared they were for the tenacity and resourcefulness of the Dalek Empire in that era. Basically, most high-ranking Time Lords were either preoccupied with internal disputes or afflicted with the dogmatic belief that interference in the goings-on of the wider universe was beneath them, and that no other civilisation had the power to contend with them, so they are caught completely off-guard when the Daleks conduct a surprise attack. Presumably the Time Lord who gives the 4th Doctor his mission in Genesis of the Daleks was one of the few Time Lords of that era who truly recognised and understood the threat of the Daleks, possibly a member of the Celestial Intervention Agency acting outside the purview of the High Council
@@dalekbumps Thanks for answering and just to ask have you done a video on the Skaro Degradations yet since they are a subset of Daleks cause I am curious how they weren't considered impure enough to be exterminated by the other daleks
@@ryancarter1080 I haven't done a video on the Skaro Degradations yet, but its on my list - to be honest, it's an area of Dalek lore that I'm not too familiar with so I'll need to do some research and possibly re-read the Engines of War novel in preparation
@@dalekbumps Not to surprising there's literally only one line about them in the show and it was just a mention alongside the nightmare child. No idea how much if any actual information exists about them in the written versions of doctor who
Uhh Thats the entire story literally of the tom baker 'genesis of the daleks' episode, where tom in a stupid fit of 70s antio-war sentiment refuises to destroy them (only retard their progress) , cause they caused other races to band together..... he was sent ther by the c.i.a (celestial intelligence agency) of the timelords.
Spoilers ahead, you have been warned! .... I cant wait for you to hear Victory of the Doctor from Big finish. It has put paid to alot of paradigm theories you've mentioned before. With no signs of a civil war with davros, but it is the definitive ending of the paradigm, before the events of time of the doctor. Proving the regeneration energy did not destroy the paradigm. Instead the paradigm and the parliament launch an audacious scheme to conquer the entire universe. The eleventh doctor uses something called the Darinthian blight to destroy every paradigm dalek and the parliament including the prime minister. It also explains the eternals function at last. So the paradigm finally have their ending and its a doozy. Very dalek heavy and cool. There is a line hinting how the daleks survived after this though and why we only really see bronze nsds from this point (barring witches familiar) cant wait for you to do a video on it!
Great video explaining about the dalek forcefield, do you think sometime in the future, Cybermen might finally be able to produce anti Dalekanium weapons, what do you think?
The logic from the Daleks perspective probably is that the shield technology is too important to risk falling into the hands of other species so they got rid of it. During the Time War this wasn't a concern because the Time Lords are already advanced enough that this wouldn't matter, plus in a sense the war was decided quickly. However in the rest of the universe because of time travel stuff you might end up with a lone Dalek getting ambushed and then a less advanced species manages to reverse engineer the shield technology before a large invasion force could arrive. Also the shield arguably isn't particularly useful against humans, from cluster munitions to cannister shot and extremely high rate of fire autocannons humans have plenty of weapons that can probably overwhelm the shields. This means that the shields basically only provides useful protection against human soldiers but the regular armor already did that just fine. Basically the shield doesn't provide any extra real protection, without the shield humans would still have to bring out a vehicle like a tank or an airstrike to fight a dalek and the shueld doesn't actually meaningfully protect against those types of threat. This is the same logic used in armoring real world vehicles, it only makes sense to add armor if it protects the vehicle against a new threat, if an APC can survive small arms fire then adding armor only makes sense if you add enough armor to protect against .50 cal machine guns, if you don't add enough armor to meet that threshold then you're just carrying around pointless weight. For the daleks this would be even worse since they both have to carry the weight of the shield and the extra generation capacity needed to power it. In the Time Wars this did make sense since it enabled a single Dalek to stand up to a single Time Lord soldier. That being said I thought the shield was super cool and helped make the Daleks seem more intimidating in the modern day, though it also seemed kinda bullshit at times, I think a less arbritary protection mechanism could have been found. I'm guessing it was abandoned out of a desire to return to practical effects.
To address some of the other comments I'm guessing the shield only works on high speed projectiles, so bullets from guns (not paintball guns) and lasers. Do you have any evidence that later daleks after paradigm don't have a shield? They didn't seem to be affected by the bullets in Into The Dalek.
The Daleks in Stolen Earth/Journey's End definitely don't have shields, and the Daleks from Into the Dalek don't either, as the lasers fired by the Arsitotle crew hit the casing, and there's even a bit where one of the Daleks explodes after being hit by concentrated fire
@dalekbumps But didn't the metacrisis doctor blow up the daleks by increasing dalekaniun fields (dalek shields) at the climax? Meaning they did have shields? I think RTD included bullets bouncing off casings as a quicker way of showing the Daleks are bulletproof without dedicating 10 seconds to a close-up of the bullets dissolving in the air & a side character exclaiming "bullets don't work".
@@xXSwaghetti.YoloneseXx-uf2bb as for the second point about the slow-mo - in 'Dalek' and 'Parting of the Ways' there are many scenes where characters shoot at Daleks and there isn't a slow-motion effect, but there isn't a ricochet effect either - the bullets simply disappear. I'm fairly certain that after the deaths of Daleks Thay and Jast in Evolution of the Daleks, we never see Dalek shields appear again as the Cult of Skaro were the last of the Time War Daleks. Davros' New Empire and all Daleks seen after that are post-Time War Daleks, all of whom lack shields, even the ones that use the bronze design
@dalekbumps Interesting, appreciate the discussion - imo I think I agree with your point that dalek arrogance means they don't activate shiels (unless they know its necessary). Reminds me of how Dalek guns use just enough power to kill, but not to much, so they can kill slowly & savour it.
I think the daleks removing the shields has once again to do with their arrogance and superiority complex. Basically showing their enemies: "hey we dont need shields because your weapons are that useless"
I prefer daleks that dont use sheilds, it makes them look stronger and more fearless to their enemies And watching hundreds of bullets bouncing off the casing is just satisfying, watch the dr who anime to see what i mean
Power is one idea, The other maybe they 'lost' the technology post time war... or couldnt recreate it. I liked the concept as without it , the daleks tended to be almost literal pushovers.
I perfer the shield cause of its effectiveness its possible that it was removed due to time war daleks being impure so the new dalek paradime fazed it out.
IMO Dalek force fields made them Too Overpowered. at that point, why is anyone trying to fight the daleks if you don't have a decent enough chance of stopping them. i'm glad they got phased out because man oh man did it make dalek v human/alien combat boring.
In the Doctor Who episode The Stolen Earth, Wilf manages to hit the Dalek's eyestalk with a paintball, getting through the forcefield, something that potential bullets struggle to do. Maybe that means that the forcefield is only able to stop conventional weapons, like metal and energy blasts. Using thaat idea, I wonder if a spud gun would be useful against a Dalek, or a BB gun that fires plastic BBs.
The Daleks in The Stolen Earth don't use shields, the UNIT personnel and Captain Jack are able to land hits on the casing with regular bullets
Legit but they just wiped the paint off there eyes also the daleks in that where able to be hit with bullets but it didn't kill them same with the sontarains until UNIT used the special bullets
@@dalekbumps Even the Supreme didn't have/use a forcefield.
@@dalekbumpsalso you can see Sarah Jane rose and jack push daleks out of the way
it wasn't active. i think in then acivated it to remove the paint
I would also add that, according to the novel _Prisoner of the Daleks,_ the Dalek force field is also vulnerable from below. One of the main characters is able to ground Dalek X by firing upwards while it hovers over their hiding spot.
Prisoner of the Daleks is an interesting read, I need to do a full video on it at some point. It seems to be working on the assumption that New Who Daleks 'overwrote' the Classic Who Daleks, as the decision to use bronze Daleks for the Second Dalek War is an odd one. Granted, New Who used bronze Daleks against Movellans in Series 10, but that can be interpreted as the Paradigm going back and resuming their old wars, whereas Prisoner of the Daleks seems to indicate that the Second Dalek War always had bronze Daleks, instead of the grey ones we see in Planet of the Daleks
@@dalekbumps I tend to gloss over character descriptions, so I didn't even realise the Daleks in _Prisoner_ were bronze until I heard you say so in a video.
Because it's said to be pre-Time War, I just assumed the author had used Classic Who designs, but the cover designer either couldn't find HD photos or was told by higher-ups _"You need to use the modern Daleks, they're more recognisable, otherwise customers won't be interested in buying it!"_
@PerovNigma Yeah, I reckon it was a stipulation given for marketing reasons. It's not just the cover, though, the text explicitly describes them as bronze too, despite also being pre-Time War.
Hearing the Transformers DS music made me very happy. Got hit with a massive nostalgia wave.
I love the Dalek Force Shield. I often visualize fighting them as enemies in 1st-person shooter games like Halo because of it. Often makes me wish for a spinoff DW game like that taking place into the far future after the initial Dalek Wars.
It would be interesting to have a Doctor Who FPS where you fight against Sontarans, Cybermen etc and have a great time, only for it to transition into a survival-horror type game when you encounter a Dalek and realise all your weapons are useless and all you can do is try to hide
@@dalekbumps I agree. It'd really ramp up the daunting realization that you're in a hopeless scenario. I like to imagine that there could be moments where the Sontarans & even the Cybermen begin to retreat or back-off from engaging entirely prior to the player's first Dalek encounter, all just to set the mood.
I made supposed concept art for such a game if you'd like to see? It goes in a different direction than your pitch, however.
Halo has Shields for elites and brutes ,jackals also have Shields but all you have to do is hit it with a heavy weapon to insta kill them .A doctor who FPS game similar to AVP for the xbox 360 with its 4 campaigns timelord being your own custom doctor ,dalek mode ,villan mode and companion mode
@@declangaming24 Dude, that is legit the concept idea that I had! I love that game! In my concept, the Daleks would have been the typical tank, they could soak up damage and are essentially the unstoppable yet slow-moving force. The Cybermen would have involved team-based placement strategies, commanding units with a coordinating Cyberleader. Humanity would have been about super-soldiers with a run-&-gun style of gameplay, as they could utilize adaptive weaponry from fallen enemies. Like a Dalek Gunstick attachment or integrating a broken Cybermen arm like an electrical bayonet or as a secondary projectile weapon. Each faction you'd play as can alternate between 1st-3rd person, each would have a different HUD style, and all of their campaigns would have convened on one planet.
Like star wars Battle front but dw
Love the use of Transformers DS Decepticons music :)
I wondered if anyone would recognise it! Loved that game as a kid, it was surprisingly good for a movie tie-in game on a handheld.
@@dalekbumps agreed 👍
I like the idea of Dalek arrogance causing them to turn off the shields.
Dude you are brilliant your Dalek videos are a credit to your intelligence and learning about Daleks is why you are my favorite RUclipsr
Thanks! Getting comments like this really brightens my day, I'm glad you enjoy the videos :)
The quote in e01e06 'dalek' about someone bursting into flames after just *touching* a dalek... Its very evocative, I wish we could see it happen. I imagine it as a secondary short-range weapon, making melee combat impossible unless you have a light saber or something. Imagine three daleks moving through a forest, with foliage within 4 feet just erupting into flames. To primitive races, it would be god-like.
The bursting into flames thing is such a great detail. Lore accurate Daleks are genuinely unstoppable, they truly are the most effective fighting force I can think of. Sadly on screen Dalek strength has been fading for a long time and these cool features have never shown up again
When the daleks exterminated floor zero, they initially just advanced on the crowd without firing. You eventually hear them start firing over the comm, but imagine if they'd just moved into the crowd, immolating everyone.
I like the mix, sometimes shields sometimes no shields, though the Daleks in the series 4 2 part ending should have had shields (theywere after all, surpose to be a fully fledged Daleks empire at the height of its power), but everything in this video now makes everything about the Daleks in Doctor Who make a lot more sense, thanks for this great video summarising and putting the Daleks into context. 😊
I love the effort put in to explaining away different writer’s inconsistencies over the years. The shields are there or not depending on its convenient for the script. All there is to it
That's the fundamental explanation for the inconsistency, but it isn't all there is to it. The decision to depict Daleks without shields for script reasons creates avenues for speculation as to the in-universe explanation for the lack of shields
I'm convinced both sides slightly devolved technologically after the Timewar due to a lack of resources and the deaths of scientists and countless members of both races, resulting in a loss of knowledge. This is my headcannon for why the Daleks seem weaker post Series 3 and why the Master was so easily able to kill the Time lords.
That makes a lot of sense, especially for the Time Lords. Rassilon's traditionalist dogma and despotic totalitarian rule may have 'helped' Gallifrey during the Time War, but it would have been terrible for the planet in peacetime. That's why I have no doubt that there are other Time Lords scattered across the universe, like Romana, Narvin, Flavia or Susan, who were disgusted with Rassilon's reign and left the homeworld before the Master destroyed it.
As for the Daleks, I think the answer is more simple. They did away with their shields because they simply didn't need them anymore. Sort of like how modern navy vessels have fewer individual guns than historic warships - their resources are focused on other, more important technologies than just guns, guns, guns. Same with the Daleks - now that they're not fighting a Time War anymore, they don't need a super-overpowered shield in order to be the most powerful thing on the battlefield, so they don't waste resources fitting every lowly drone with one
@@dalekbumps I agree, it makes sense. I think there are different versions of the Time War era casing too featured in multiple post series 4 episodes. Based on Into The Dalek's layout of the casing, filled with corridors and an enclosed chamber for the mutant vs Series 9 onwards where the casing is hollow without an enclosed chamber for the mutant I'd say The Daleks are constantly changing their casings. My other reason for the lack of knowledge was I always wondered why The Daleks didn't just build another reality bomb post Paradigm, my head-cannon was always that they simply lost the technical knowledge to do so.
@@TheDarkWhovian Into the Dalek does present a lot of interesting questions regarding Dalek lore, as does the Series 9 opening two-parter, I need to do more videos on those. As for the Reality Bomb, I think even the Daleks came to realise what a terrible idea it was, as without the Crucible/Medusa Cascade to protect them, it would inevitably lead to their own destruction as well - as we saw during Flux
@@dalekbumps Yeah I always found the implication of the speech system in the Series 9 opener to be a bit irritating to me. I get what Moffat was trying to do and it does pose some interesting questions as to how and why The Daleks act as they do, but it just felt ah. Yeah I'd imagine the Daleks wouldn't go through the same plan twice thinking it would lead to failure, the flux did make me question their technological abilities too as I always assumed they'd be able to defend themselves against an event like that. Definitely looking forward to videos on the subject! :)
@@dalekbumps Even more evidence for this idea on the Time Lords' end is that in Hell Bent, set after the war, they've basically become impotent and trapped in their city, as evidenced by them yelling at the Doctor to come back after he stole another TARDIS rather than actually stopping him.
Ironically enough that's kind of a role reversal with the Daleks, who now dominate the universe after being initially trapped in their city on Skaro...
The melting bullet thing terrified me as a kid
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Maybe they scan their opponents offensive capabilities before the fight and decided it isn't worth it?
5:09 Dalek has a really short plunger for some reason.... (And if you pause it at the right time, you can see it looks like someone's sleeve is covering the left side of the screen)
Fantastically interesting as always.
The weaker/non existent shielding on the Daleks these days is another reason the Daleks and Cybermen need a rematch
Especially with the post Nightmare of Silver Cybermen having eliminated their gold weakness, being capable of flight, FTE speed and adapting to superior firepower.
i also would suggest that the shield probably prevents outgoing fire from the dalek ( but it is made up space science so having a 1 way shield is not outrageous, and I do think that possibly davros' chair make have had one version of that when the doctor took it for a spin.)
I think just through standard Dalek evolution and development they have probably adapted their armour to be more resilient to weapon fire.
The shield also doesn't really make sense against humans since it's weak to being overwhelmed and there are tons of human weapons that just throw loads of lead down range. It's probably way more effective against energy weapons while the armor is perfectly fine against kinetic threats.
Transformers Deceptions DS music! Truly an underrated game!
They stopped using the forcefields when they invented an even better technology: Explosive Squibs
Dude I immediately recognized that transformers DS deception theme 😭 hit me with sm nostalgia
I LOVE the fact that Nu-Who added teh Dalek Force Field... As it was something that Terry Nation himself had said Daleks did have ... And it was even addressed in one of the Short Lived DALEK ANNUALS released by Fleetway Publishing in the UK.
Unfortunately, While I can find Images and Scans on Google... I dont have the Books... And teh scans out here are just the main picture which like a "Anatomy Book" has a cutaway that lists the different parts of a Dalek... So, the actual details of their force field as written by Nation are lost to time!
Thats also where the idea comes from that the Dalek Bulbs on their domes are also, Like the Eyestalks... A Weakness! Of course in reality they are there so that the Cast and Crew could discern which Dalek was actually speaking, But Terry Nation fleshed it out more and made them "Heat Dissipaters" - The Internal Systems of a Dalek produce a lot of heat, so even Speaking can COOK a Dalek in its shell... So teh Bulbs expel that excess heat! Smash Them... Cripple or even KILL a Dalek!
But that's NATIONS CANON... Who knows if we will ever see it added to Doctor Who properly! (Dont know why not... Other than creating a few continuity errors with Classic Who, They have used many other touches that Nation added himself... Including Dalek Levitation... Dalek Hover Craft... )
@dalekbumps can you do a video on who'd win between a fight between the Daleks and the 1953 film Martians? Both use protective blisters and energy weopens.
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The forcefield disappearing, the shoulder mid section no longer rotating, no more temporal shift, the removal of weathering from the props, the downfall of the Daleks in NuWho and honestly it's all down to laziness. Much easier to put bullet bouncing effects or sparks when Daleks get hit rather than a forcefield animation.
The forcefield effect was only shown in slow motion, as it's too quick to see otherwise, so they didn't even need to show it all the time.
There's no way that's true. The forcefield was without a doubt an easy way to justify the lack of impact sparks and meant that firearms effects required way less SFX work since literally half of the work was gone. The removal of the force field probably was motivated by a desire to return to practical effects that have more impact.
Is that audio the og transformers game music?
I hope the next Daleks don’t actually use force fields and have a greater feeling of reality, like we really see as some Daleks have dents and scratches etc
Do a video on supreme imperial daleks please 🙏 ❤
Can I build your custom renegade dalek in lego? Or any other ones you like maybe
I have a question I know the Timelords attempted to stop the creation of the Daleks many times by travelling to the past, leading to the skaro degradations however did they ever send one of their own back to gallifrey to inform the then Timelords where they could launch a real time conventional military attack on Skaro before the Daleks had the capability to leave the planet and when they numbered less than a hundred? I admit my knowledge of the rules of time travel is limited and on time travel wars is even less but real time actions seem to be more permanent in the time stream than time travel attacks as the various times the Daleks invaded earth only to be forgotten by most of the population till the then real time Daleks invaded in the 22nd century shows.
@@ryancarter1080 Good question - there's some discrepancy in the lore surrounding the leadup to the Time War but as I understand it, the Time Lords didn't have a military during the timespan of Classic Who, aside from small detachments of security staff like the Chancellory Guard. There hadn't been a military threat to Gallifrey since the Dark Times, which is part of the reason why they were so worried about the Daleks. There aren't many concrete details on the precise history of the early phases of the Time War (hopefully Big Finish will elaborate more on that in the 8th Doctor & Liv & Helen audios that are still ongoing - they recently had one where the 8th Doctor encounters the Time War design of Dalek for the first time, so it seems like they might be heading in that direction) but from what we can infer from the 8th Doctor Time War audios, the Daleks sprung the war on the Time Lords who then had to scramble to assemble a military to counter them. I'd recommend listening to the 6th Doctor audio story 'The Apocalypse Element', it features a very early incursion into Gallifrey conducted by the Daleks, and it paints a great picture of the state Gallifrey was in before the war and how woefully unprepared they were for the tenacity and resourcefulness of the Dalek Empire in that era. Basically, most high-ranking Time Lords were either preoccupied with internal disputes or afflicted with the dogmatic belief that interference in the goings-on of the wider universe was beneath them, and that no other civilisation had the power to contend with them, so they are caught completely off-guard when the Daleks conduct a surprise attack. Presumably the Time Lord who gives the 4th Doctor his mission in Genesis of the Daleks was one of the few Time Lords of that era who truly recognised and understood the threat of the Daleks, possibly a member of the Celestial Intervention Agency acting outside the purview of the High Council
@@dalekbumps Thanks for answering and just to ask have you done a video on the Skaro Degradations yet since they are a subset of Daleks cause I am curious how they weren't considered impure enough to be exterminated by the other daleks
@@ryancarter1080 I haven't done a video on the Skaro Degradations yet, but its on my list - to be honest, it's an area of Dalek lore that I'm not too familiar with so I'll need to do some research and possibly re-read the Engines of War novel in preparation
@@dalekbumps Not to surprising there's literally only one line about them in the show and it was just a mention alongside the nightmare child. No idea how much if any actual information exists about them in the written versions of doctor who
Uhh Thats the entire story literally of the tom baker 'genesis of the daleks' episode, where tom in a stupid fit of 70s antio-war sentiment refuises to destroy them (only retard their progress) , cause they caused other races to band together..... he was sent ther by the c.i.a (celestial intelligence agency) of the timelords.
What about the Dalek’s from the doctor of war story are they the same as the time war in the main universe ?
Spoilers ahead, you have been warned! ....
I cant wait for you to hear Victory of the Doctor from Big finish. It has put paid to alot of paradigm theories you've mentioned before. With no signs of a civil war with davros, but it is the definitive ending of the paradigm, before the events of time of the doctor. Proving the regeneration energy did not destroy the paradigm. Instead the paradigm and the parliament launch an audacious scheme to conquer the entire universe. The eleventh doctor uses something called the Darinthian blight to destroy every paradigm dalek and the parliament including the prime minister. It also explains the eternals function at last. So the paradigm finally have their ending and its a doozy. Very dalek heavy and cool. There is a line hinting how the daleks survived after this though and why we only really see bronze nsds from this point (barring witches familiar) cant wait for you to do a video on it!
Great video explaining about the dalek forcefield, do you think sometime in the future, Cybermen might finally be able to produce anti Dalekanium weapons, what do you think?
Where is this funky background music from?
It's from the Transformers Decepticons DS game
@@dalekbumps oh cool I played that game when I was a kid. Didn’t recognise the music
If the crucible daleks had shields they would be even more unstoppable
BRO! Is that Transformers DS music!?!?
The logic from the Daleks perspective probably is that the shield technology is too important to risk falling into the hands of other species so they got rid of it. During the Time War this wasn't a concern because the Time Lords are already advanced enough that this wouldn't matter, plus in a sense the war was decided quickly. However in the rest of the universe because of time travel stuff you might end up with a lone Dalek getting ambushed and then a less advanced species manages to reverse engineer the shield technology before a large invasion force could arrive.
Also the shield arguably isn't particularly useful against humans, from cluster munitions to cannister shot and extremely high rate of fire autocannons humans have plenty of weapons that can probably overwhelm the shields. This means that the shields basically only provides useful protection against human soldiers but the regular armor already did that just fine. Basically the shield doesn't provide any extra real protection, without the shield humans would still have to bring out a vehicle like a tank or an airstrike to fight a dalek and the shueld doesn't actually meaningfully protect against those types of threat. This is the same logic used in armoring real world vehicles, it only makes sense to add armor if it protects the vehicle against a new threat, if an APC can survive small arms fire then adding armor only makes sense if you add enough armor to protect against .50 cal machine guns, if you don't add enough armor to meet that threshold then you're just carrying around pointless weight. For the daleks this would be even worse since they both have to carry the weight of the shield and the extra generation capacity needed to power it. In the Time Wars this did make sense since it enabled a single Dalek to stand up to a single Time Lord soldier.
That being said I thought the shield was super cool and helped make the Daleks seem more intimidating in the modern day, though it also seemed kinda bullshit at times, I think a less arbritary protection mechanism could have been found. I'm guessing it was abandoned out of a desire to return to practical effects.
To address some of the other comments I'm guessing the shield only works on high speed projectiles, so bullets from guns (not paintball guns) and lasers.
Do you have any evidence that later daleks after paradigm don't have a shield? They didn't seem to be affected by the bullets in Into The Dalek.
The Daleks in Stolen Earth/Journey's End definitely don't have shields, and the Daleks from Into the Dalek don't either, as the lasers fired by the Arsitotle crew hit the casing, and there's even a bit where one of the Daleks explodes after being hit by concentrated fire
@dalekbumps But didn't the metacrisis doctor blow up the daleks by increasing dalekaniun fields (dalek shields) at the climax? Meaning they did have shields? I think RTD included bullets bouncing off casings as a quicker way of showing the Daleks are bulletproof without dedicating 10 seconds to a close-up of the bullets dissolving in the air & a side character exclaiming "bullets don't work".
@@xXSwaghetti.YoloneseXx-uf2bb the metacrisis doctor says "dalekanium power feeds, blasting them back" - whatever that means!
@@xXSwaghetti.YoloneseXx-uf2bb as for the second point about the slow-mo - in 'Dalek' and 'Parting of the Ways' there are many scenes where characters shoot at Daleks and there isn't a slow-motion effect, but there isn't a ricochet effect either - the bullets simply disappear. I'm fairly certain that after the deaths of Daleks Thay and Jast in Evolution of the Daleks, we never see Dalek shields appear again as the Cult of Skaro were the last of the Time War Daleks. Davros' New Empire and all Daleks seen after that are post-Time War Daleks, all of whom lack shields, even the ones that use the bronze design
@dalekbumps Interesting, appreciate the discussion - imo I think I agree with your point that dalek arrogance means they don't activate shiels (unless they know its necessary). Reminds me of how Dalek guns use just enough power to kill, but not to much, so they can kill slowly & savour it.
I would prefer the shield to have the ability to deflect bullets and stuff back where they were fired, like a lightsaber.
I think the daleks removing the shields has once again to do with their arrogance and superiority complex. Basically showing their enemies: "hey we dont need shields because your weapons are that useless"
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How many dalek variants are there?
I watched every dalek episode and counted at least thirty daleks
There's plenty in the show alone, but if you count the comics and audios there are over a hundred
Tons thousands of daleks
Is that music from transformers ds? Sweeeeet
I prefer daleks that dont use sheilds, it makes them look stronger and more fearless to their enemies
And watching hundreds of bullets bouncing off the casing is just satisfying, watch the dr who anime to see what i mean
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Much prefer the forcefield from Series 1 to seeing bullets hit the casing as in Series 4. The Daleks in Series 4 are meant to be more powerful.
What is the reason the Daleks become terrible shots in the Moffat era? The Asylum Daleks has only just woken up, but the rest should never miss.
Power is one idea, The other maybe they 'lost' the technology post time war... or couldnt recreate it. I liked the concept as without it , the daleks tended to be almost literal pushovers.
Probably less reluctant to use them in their overwhelming numbers in front of lesser life forms
I perfer the shield cause of its effectiveness its possible that it was removed due to time war daleks being impure so the new dalek paradime fazed it out.
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I perfer them without shields
I've got a better chance of survival that way
IMO Dalek force fields made them Too Overpowered. at that point, why is anyone trying to fight the daleks if you don't have a decent enough chance of stopping them. i'm glad they got phased out because man oh man did it make dalek v human/alien combat boring.