BUILDING A VILLAIN - God of War Ragnarok's Odin
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- The best villains should have complex personalities that demand attention from the audience when they are on screen, and their dialogues and motives should also make some sense despite how twisted or malicious they might be.
And that’s something the character of Odin excels at, creating a believable personality that doesn’t fail to surprise us throughout the entirety of Ragnarok. And this is a trait that the best villains in all of the entertainment share, be it Vaas from Far Cry 3 or The Joker from Batman: Arkham or Dutch from Red Dead Redemption 2, just to name a few.
Zeus had more paternal love for Kratos then Odin had for any member of his family and that’s as sad as it gets.
I don't see what people are complaining about. This portrayal fits more with mythological portrayal of Odin as a wise old trickster-like sorcerer. People seem to just want a Zeus clone with no complexity. It's a shame. Odin was great in this game.
Richard Siff's portrayal of Odin here, got me into speech patterns that give off charisma. When he speaks, he holds your attention, you want to believe he's a good guy, you want to trust him. Even knowing that he's the main villain, watching spoiler videos online, I still fucking doubted it while playing because he was so good at coming off as someone you wanted to like. He deserves an award for this 🤣
I believe Odin is a "Pure Evil" villain who only PRETENDS to be complex. He wants knowledge and power for the SAKE of knowledge and power, his motivations of "stopping ragnarok" and "save Asgard" are just lies he uses to trick people into helping him. Everything was always about himself, for himself and by himself. Even if he achieved all his goals, acquired the power of the mask and stopped Ragnarok, he would just make up another excuse to keep opressing and using people to get even more power. He would never "sit down and enjoy the sun set on a grateful universe", he said himself at the end: he would never stop.
You are totally right, Odin had a strong compulsive disorder to always want to know what lies ahead even further than what he knows already. He would never stop
Nah, he went mad the moment he found the rift which was right after killing Ymir and he did terrible things believing it was part of the path or necessary to obtain the knowledge of the rift.
Throughout Gow 2018 i kept wondering how Odin will look like, could only imagine him to be very similar to Zues.
When i first saw him in Ragnarok i was surprised but quickly started liking the character.
Yes we don't need another Zues, this cunning old Odin fits perfectly, he is more mature than the usual muscular big guy end boss we were expecting.
Yeah when I first saw him I was like”totally not what I was expecting” but yeah, the mob boss comparison works. He doesn’t need to be physically intimidating, he’s got muscle for that, yet he’s still powerful as fuck
ZWIZ
You typical fanboys throwing "mature" here and there for no reason.
@@fatos342
Oh well.
I'm so far from being a fanboy.
I have alot of criticism for Ragnarok.
@@GORO911
This game is way more childish and naive than mature.
This Odin is as methodical as the combat
I loved what they did with Odin. He reminded me of a mob boss. Seems friendly but you know he'd have a goon slit your throat in a second. Everything he does serves his own purpose and he prefers to use others than do things himself. Even his deals have alternative motives.
Vikings are a WARRIOR culture.... I think the game devs forget tha because he acts more like loki than loki.
@4K 40FPS is this your first gow game?
@4K 40FPS i can tell. It seems like only "og" gow fans agree with me... Smh.
@@johnwolf8995 some of us are new to the series. I know alot of people that that jumped on because 2018 game .
I love how the kept you guessing because realky for like 3/4 of the game , your not even sure he’s as bad as people say .
My impression of him as a villain is that he takes the traits of Loki in the mythos: he is a liar, and a selfish trickster. But the twist is that he manages to convince everyone else that the liar trickster is Loki.
Sad that they didn't put Thor's goats in the final fight with the wolves and Odin's horse in the final fight and him dying by Fenrir/Garm/Horodviltnir in the end,just like the original mythology where Odin's destiny is to be killed by the giant Wolf,Just like the Wolf being killed by the son of Odin Vidar the God of revenge and Tyr in Ragnarok being killed by the Wolf Garm,where they both kill each other It's a shame it didn't happen and they changed everything,I missed more Valkyries in the game and others Aesir Gods Odin's childrens and grandchildrens protecting Asgard,for example:
Hermod,Bragi,Idunn,Forseti,Ullr,Meili and finally Vali and Vidar and Odin's brothers Vili and Vê Together with This Hodr would no longer be possible since he is a blind archer and he dies at the hands of his own brother Vali who kills him avenging Baldur's death And the return of the dead gods since in the original Norse Mythology they live and save Asgard and become the new Gods who will take care of the new worlds, especially Baldur who returns and becomes A new king of rebuilt Asgard protecting the 9 kingdoms and being the Savior/holy Messiah and protector of Asgard and Valhalla And it would be much better if Odin won the final war and adopted Atreus To become the as Loki and trained him to be the main villain in a sequel alongside the others gods. How great it would be If it were like that
How I wanted these gods in the game,it's a shame they didn't put them... Who knows, maybe in a DLC or next game,let's hope And pray it happens... 🥺🤧 Like and Bye!
Odin got me doubting my concepts about him so many times. So glad I played god of war 2018 a hundred times, so deep down I knew what his game was 🤬
yep. Lamest God in a GOW game yet.
You know he didn't pick a weapon till like the end right?
@@johnwolf8995 and?
@@Norightnowrong1 ......
@@johnwolf8995 you’re not making any sense, buddy
I wish they could find a way to bring thor back the Norse need a new ruler and I don't think his daughter is ready yet, I want to play as thor in an dlc
When i entered odins domain i was like..this is it? lol a village
I am SO glad he ended up looking the way he does opposed from what people thought he’d look like. Don’t get me wrong the speculation art was damn good but I’m so much happier with what we got
I love Odin in this game mostly because you can tell he’s liar trickster and a complete and utter jerk.
I just wish Odin could have been more menacing or shown to have done more brutal stuff. He feels weak and frail, and honestly quite incompetent
And then you see him one shot Thor and pick up Mjolnir with ease and realize that he's not as frail or incompetent as you would think. And then you ALSO consider that the guy was playing the long con and the only reason he failed was because a foul mouthed Dwarf was sniffing out the deception that everyone else had fallen for
Not every villain has to be a billion feet tall and have the strength to level a continent with a sneeze, y'know
@@jeremyallen5974 to me, the fact that he can one shot Thor(even a weaken one)just raises more inconsistency question than it answers, If he has that kind of raw power at disposal and had he combined with his ability to shapeshift into anyone, he could easily get close to any unsuspecting ally of kratos and one shot them. That possibility never seem to cross the minds of any of our protagonists and not even Odin himself. Through out much of the game I thought odin’s powers was maybe limited and thus couldn’t use his full skill set, but apparently that wasn’t the case.
Writing smart and powerful villain who is believable is extremely hard to pull off cuz you always run the risk of him easily wiping out the protagonists if you make him too smart. So most of the time, it just looks like our smart and all powerful antagonist is being destroy by plot rather than any brilliant strategic move from our protagonists.
@@cokechang he didn't NEED to flex his muscles, he had Thor to take care of the killing.
@@jeremyallen5974 and that makes him look very incompetent since there are so many cases where he could use it to his advantage. Instead, the first time we see him use his power is to kill his own son
@@cokechang
If I could interject and ask about the inconsistencies
You said that Odin one shotting Thor was inconsistent
Although Odin is the All-Father and King of the Aesir you asked why not just kill the protagonists while being disguised as Tyr
My friend, Odin could’ve never one-shotted or kill anyone in Sindri’s Cabin because of a very important reason he needed Atreus to finish his mask
Tyr refused to do it so he got locked away and what good would another person who is locked in a cage or dead help with his mask… Odin disguised as Tyr he never planned to kill or lift a finger because he didn’t need to for the most part he just wanted intel….
While the thought of killing anyone of them might’ve have crossed his mind it wouldn’t take long for everyone to suspect Tyr if he had or be aware of Odin’s presence…and you saw what happened when his cover was blown….
If he had killed or attempted to kill Kratos the only other person besides Tyr that being Atreus wouldn’t have helped him and bam his prize treasure is most likely lost forever
He still sucks in comparison to Zeus, even to Baldur. With Zeus, you *saw* things that made you hate him, whereas the game *tells* you to hate Odin, even thou all you saw of him so far was nothing and even troughout the game, the tales about him overshadow his actual actions
Exactly, i just really hate how everyone arounds you forces you to hate and fear him yet he’s never really done any serious damage for the player to see. Even the brok kill seems super weak, you’ve got all that power and you just stab with a knife? Imagine what crazy chaos he can cause on the protagonist side in the final war with his transform ability. He just seems incompetent compared to all the lore he was given.
@@cokechang shaddup
I expected Odin to be a more “Palpatine” like schemer but even I was surprised by how laidback and even likeable Odin seems at times
Brilliant work from Sony Santa Monica
Holy shit I didn't even recognize Richard Schiff. Haven't seen hin since he got ripped in half by a pair of tyrannosaurus rex's in 1997
Odin is an okay bad guy. He acts like a typical crime boss in every gangster movies we’ve seen. They tried to make way too much of a villain than Zeus,but the difference between those two is that Zeus and Gods betrayed Kratos dues to their fear of him destroying Olympus.
Even Zeus said that he didn’t wanted to betray him nor he ever thought about killing his son. Odin on the other hand wants infinite knowledge even if he sacrifices his family to be used as pawns. That’s why he wanted the knowledge behind the mysterious mask.
Nothing compared to Dutch
Isnt he basically the same, except odin has always been a psychopathic mf from the beginning
I loved Odin. I was actually routing for him to win. Anyone else with me 🤚
no ones with you
Wow. Thanks for the spoiler in the thumbnail. Classy.
"Odin is a fierce fighter when it calls for it" you mean to tell me he KNOWS Kratos's past.....knows he fought thor AND WALKED AWAY....killed baldur. And heimdall....and he did nothing.. Gow2018 over hyped odin so much... But thor was amazing though. Short. But amazing
Hey! Thor was pretty tall. Or you mean they didn't show enough of him in the game?
@@StoTooHard they didn't show enough of him. Thor was freaking amazing
The twist was obvious
Lol why?
Not really
If it was that obvious, the amount of people who didn't see it coming wouldnt be as big as it was
Hey Tyr just sits there listening to us, now he suddenly wants to take the completed mask and lead us? Lol hey.... This is suspicious....
@@dereklundquist9605 you mean the exact part where we find out about the twist? Yeah it was kinda the point to be obvious on that moment buddy
He was underwhelming compared to zues, all his plans were shattered and he remained composed, i don't know 🤷🏻♂️
What they did with odin in the end was dumb .
The way he killed his son made no sense.
He was cooking and living with his enemies he could of poisoned them or picked them off one by one and done nothing but kill brok my favourite character.
He was playing tyr, if he poisoned them he won't get the knowledge he seek, he need atreus help
i think killing thor is because his end is near ragnarok will kill him plus he got exposed to every one
@@حليم-ج1ج he could've poisoned them while loki was in asgard loki wouldn't know it was odin
@@R.I.P_clan like everyone is dead except tyr? yeah that's very smart
@@حليم-ج1ج its like your brain if you have one lacks any ability to think at all....
But yes such is the life of a mindless sheep .
Story wise, this game has a lot of issues. The "twist" was obvious. Also no one noticed the literal giant with glowing eyes disappearing in a house? Him killing Brok was only to villainism him and to more the story forward. It made no sense. If you say he wanted the mask 1 he could have easily gotten it many other ways, and he even told Loki at the end how it wasn't meant for him, and he couldn't use it. So why kill a friend in front of the one person who can use the one item you need to get answers for you. Brillant writing there. Killing Thor also made no sense and was just to make him the bad guy.
It's a game for fuck sake, not a documentary on how World War 2 unfolded. "Invading Soviet Union and fighting on 3 fronts made no sense and was just to make Hitler the stupid guy... brilliant writing there"
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@@tyr404 see someone is a bit butt hurt over obvious criticism of a game's story, which is literally what the video is about. Your WW2 analogy attempt is laughable. They made up this story on their own but i guess in a smooth brain world like yours the 2 are relatable, ...brilliant attempt for someone of your intelligence.
@@nathanleiphart7887 Ooo, it’s almost as it’s a fictional videogame that deviates from the myths which by the way are not unified as there’s no fucking much left besides the prose Edda.
The only butthurt is you genius, I’m actually really calm and enjoyed the game 🫠
@@tyr404 lol this is the best youtube comment I have seen in ages!
You are making many videos just about God of War . Whats going on are you sold??
Of course they are it’s gonna be game of the year so they’re just jumping on the bandwagon from the start
This channel milks everything
@@sean7332 go make your own channel then and you can talk about any game you like 👍
Elden Ring is much better than God of war.
@@bakizambrano even as a gow fan.... I agree with u.
All they did was drop F-bombs and swear every other word 😂
If you think that all Odin did was swear, then you must be one of the dumbest people I've ever seen.
A better ending for Last of Us Part 2 would've been Joel daughter was still alive and she was waiting for Ellie in her house at the end of the game
And how would that work when she got killed in the first 😂😂
@@sean7332 Ever watched The Walking Dead, they always gave a explanation about how someone survived death
lamest God in a GOW game yet.
Not really, not all gods have to be senseless muscular killing machines, he was one of the most intriguing actually
Odin's a villain in the game? LMAO don't even see him do anything evil until Brok poked him constantly
In the two games, ODIN is always messing with Baldur's head full of poison, he dies at the hands of Kratos, all for following his orders and he doesn't even care about his death, the same with the sons of Thor, Magni and Modi, still dead, he calls them useless when it was for following his orders the reason those two literally died those 3 in Gow 2018 were ODIN hitmen bothering both Kratos and Atreus throughout the game Thor was totally broken because of his father just like Baldur filled his head with Venom was killed by his own father and his children also died because of him, the 9 kingdoms are in chaos because of ODIN so much that Kratos and Atreus could not have a peaceful day outside their house, the Valkyries were driven mad and full of midgar of the plague of Helfheim, Freya, not to mention her dead son because of ODIN and he imprisoned her in midgar, that spell was so strong that Kratos had to come to break it and it was difficult for him to free her, Mimir has no body because of ODIN, he killed Brock and destroyed Emotionally, Sindri terrorized the dwarves of Svartalfheim, he manipulated Atreus, he deceived him, he literally hit his granddaughter with Thor's hammer, he used his admirers as weapons in Ragnarok, he used the souls of children as his spy ravens, yes, of course, we never saw him doing anything bad is literally pure evil this version of ODIN terror embodied in person a villain does not necessarily affect the protagonist also his allies and other characters that you take care of.
Man at least show us how odin is evil instead of just forcing us to tell he is evil. Brok’s death is a minor thing to me. In fact odin is quite justified in the murder because of what they did to heimdall. I cant see odin as an evil guy because i never got to see any of it. With zeus, we saw many of his evil things like the genocide of a lot of innocent sparta residents. With heimdall, we saw how he tormented people around him. With odin, all i see is him being polite and quite rude to thor (which is the only time i actually felt he was a little bit terrible) and although he lies a lot, his desire to help atreus know everything felt so genuine. Because of how odin was presented by the stories, i actually do not believe everything freya and mimir says about him. If you want the gamers to hate odin, then SHOW US HIS TERRIBLE DEEDS even through flashbacks. This one shot crap style of god of war ruins its storytelling. Whoever thought this was a good idea is an idiot.
Errr… you know… the current lives of everyone who been affected by his actions? Mimir? Freya? Tyr? The Dwarves and their dying realm? The elves? Thor? Thors dead kids?
Odin obviously isn’t supposed to be the type of guy coming down from on high slaughtering people like it’s nothing. His evil is shown through his effect on those around him and those he has influenced in someway as well as how he treats others.
Also what Odin wanted was for HIMSELF to learn everything not anyone else.
You come across as someone easily manipulated by someone appearing to be kindly and helpful. You would be easy pickings for a guy like Odin.
Nah, this Odin's look is shit and the game is shit. There was no real ragnarok, no real events from the sagas except the death of Baldur from the first game. But other than that, no recognizable events from the mythology.
Wow GB is really milking God of War with their content, aren't they?
Imagine of kratos fought borr instead...
Still can't get over how this game was a let down story wise 😞
care to explain why?
@@PeachesandCream225 I'll bet they feel that way because kratos didn't regress and kill everyone.
That's usually what it comes down to with these comments :P
IDK about you guys,But he gives me Some pretty saul goodman and heisenberg vibes
Damn I hope you guys didn’t watch this if you didn’t beat the game. This dude freakin spoiling EVERYTHING! And for what? To just talk about something in this game