jon, the next time you get in touch with sms, please ask them to add leg armours in the next game. kinda pisses me off me that we can go maximum drip from the waist up but then we're stuck with the default pants and boots.
My favorite moment is where Kratos talks/yells at his past self coming to terms with what he was and what he will be. I know most people were expecting a boss fight but to me it would have been a bit strange given how different the gameplay is compared to the old.
The fact is that Kratos can freely talk to Mimir about his past already indicates that Kratos fully trust Mimir´s presence at all time, despite him being just a head.
Because Mimir is one of those few ppl who genuinely like Kratos and understands him. Also he knows when to stop talking and just listen. He’s basically a true bro to Kratos.
2 Broken men who have made many a mistake and furthered some of the worst agendas of their time in the service of selfish self serving gods. Yea can't see why they'd relate at all.
Fun Fact Great acts of strength often require QTEs in God of War. The greater the feat the more QTEs with killing gods mostly requiring 2 iirc. Kratos having to leave his daughter behind requires 3. It took everything in that man to leave her
@HanyaPanya444 it was. He always loved his families. Especially his children. Even though we didn't see much of it: we saw how that love fueled his rage into grief because someone wanted to mess with his family. Hell he carved through several armies just to get a cure for his sick child or else she would be killed.
There seems to be relief in his voice when he mentions no longer remembering Calliope's song. While he still has sad memories of Calliope, those no longer haunt him through that song.
Yeah i had no idea that he talks about her in the game. So sad. He had to sacrifice his time with her in order to save her. If he had stayed, both he and she will die along with the rest of the underworld by the goddess. The fact that you (as kratos) had to keep pushing her away was so messed up. Yikes im gettin teary lmao
Remembering Calliope is hurting a lot, but I guess remembering her being cheerful and full of joy seems to hurt much more now she's gone which I believe Kratos tries to keep her memorized with sad memories to lessen his pain.
I just love the meta narrative of Kratos lamenting over having the boat captain's death follow him no matter where he goes and that being the one joke that appears in EVERY God of War game.
The first playthrough i did of this it took me right up until the end to realize that Tyr basically putting Kratos through therapy to literally face his past. All through the backdrop of Valhalla where the dead have to reconcile their lives before they move on, meaning Kratos literally put his past to rest Thats some deep shit
ya . i think tyr wants kratos to take his place as god of war . also do they have that device they can travel to other pantheons. also kratos vs tyr. tyr used most egypt so it’ll prob be a egypt ane
@@FearFxlthere are 4 possible realms. There is a side mission in Ragnarok when you find 6 treasure that belongs to Tyr. 4 of them indicates one posible realm You have Egyptian (the Egyptian cross). The kila dagger (Indian), janbiya (Arabic sword) and the special sculpture (Maya). So at least in god of war series those realm exists. The other two treasure are a music instrument (Greece) and a Fertilty God (Czech Republic) Personally I think Egyptian gods would be interesting but personally a Maya world would be great, there are some crazy gods While
This shit was obvious and lazy 10 minutes in. At least with 2018 it was subtle, fight talk fight talk fight talk is so boring. 2018 had subtle actions like when Atreus was sick kratos wasn’t “I think the urgency of Atreus being sick is important because he is my son, this feeling won’t go away until Atreus feels better. I must be infected as well as my son” Everyone would be making memes out of it I don’t know how people haven’t memed this dlc yet
I noticed how Tyr was kind of a therapist when he first discovered after Ragnarok, from some dialogue between him and Freya. How he said he could feel her love for her home and assured her that she did do something to help make things better. If anyone is gonna help Sindri, it’s gonna be Tyr. I can see them crossing paths at some point.
Bruh I loved this DLC I been playing GOW since I was 10 years old now 23 and this was just the perfect love letter to those game while continuing Kratos story I just wish young kratos and old kratos had a dialogue except kratos monologue at the end
It would be cool to see them talk, but I feel it would ultimately take away from our current Kratos development. He did need to speak to himself not his actual past self but how he perceives his past self and that is lost with another voice chiming in. Plus there is no way younger kratos would listen
I think that was done on purpose. Instead of allowing the past to speak to him, he finally stands up against it and speaks from the heart, and not the mind. He doesn't allow the past to taunt him any longer, he finally accepts it and learns to move on, to do better.
True, but due to the context of that one, they probably didn’t want to bring that one up. Tossing a boat captain to his death just because he could doesn’t sound nearly as bad as using what was likely a sex slave to keep a door up before letting it crush her to death
@@ryanmoore6259 i guess, but thats kinda the same logic that he used for the captain. Though, I guess the message could be repetative if they used the Princess. Idunno
There’s a part where he talks about his fight with Hercules. When asked if he regrets it, Kratos said no since he was dangerous and wanted to be God of War for every reason but the right one
This DLC really is a love letter to all longtime God of War fans, those who played not only the Norse games but also the Greek ones. Also a great send off for the Greek era.
@@dwolfman5875 kinda funny to since he’s doing exactly what the game tells people not to do, being stuck in then past and not moving on and stagnating instead of growing and learning from it.
All it really is, is wanting better for yourself. Dangerous, perhaps, but it's not evil in of itself. Ambition is only twisted, when ones ambition comes at a cost greater then the ambition itself.
It’s sad to admit that this dlc brought me more resolution then any therapist did. I committed many sins to those that I love. Instead of letting go, when I could at least look ay myself in the mirror, I held onto that pain. It’s time to let go.
Same here I’ve learned so much from this current kratos people make mistakes sometimes they’re so fucked up we feel like we can never move on from them but we can and we will, I know this is a fictional story but its message still stands
@@klebin8241 Such a path is not for everyone, but however fruitless the endeavor might seem, we must have hope that it is possible for even us. Don't give up brother, I have hope that you'll make it, because I believe in the good that resides in you, regardless of how small or seemingly weak it may be. Why? Simple, because you wish for it to be so, you desire it enough to wish it. What that tells me is that you have the potential to change and become a better version of you, the you that you want to be, that you choose to be. And only you can achieve that. So don't give up, have hope instead.
I’ve held onto a lot of pain in my lifetime. My biological father was an arrogant, secretive, selfish, childish fool. My mom divorced him back in 2017, but he left an eternal scar that felt like it couldn’t heal, a void. When I confronted him, reminded him of the man that he became, he walked away from me. Then afterwards, I became bitter. Why? Because I held onto a lot of rage towards my actual father. He never gave me or my family closure. He ruined me. By the time I moved out for the first time, I felt like I was turning into him, a fiend, a fool. I was lost. It was to the point where my friends, those that I knew for years, were scared. However, it wasn’t until my mom and my stepdad got me back on the right path. Now, after so long, I finally feel like myself again and I see my struggles as a lesson. Never turn into someone u truly despise, or someone that other people could despise or else you’ll lose everything and everyone u love, and you’ll become a shadow of your former self. A monster. Be better. We must be better.
Hung on for dear life in the throat of the hydra only to be dropped by Kratos, hung on for dear life in the underworld only to be stabbed and dropped by Kratos….. bad luck indeed.
At first, I was really curious how they would justify Kratos taking on another Pantheon after this, considering all he's gone through. But now I think I know. He basically has become a God of Hope, so what he does is bringing hope to other lands by taking down the other pantheons that causes their suffering like he did Greece and Midgard.
my guess is he'd face their pantheons to either liberate any tyranny going on through them, or as a trial to make sure they're ready for any threats, possibly justify giving him new weapons with the sense of "face me to earn the strength to seek peace"
@@MKW-oc8fji think faye changed destiny twice she probably rejected the one who was supposed to be loki father (vaguely described in the prose edda as being the "rageful striker" funnily enough), meaning loki wouldn't be born in time to be part of many of the old myths, the wolf that eats tyr hand isn't fenrir, mjolnir creation wasn't interfered by loki, and hellheim wasn't governed by his daughter hela instead faye decided to fight the gods herself, and that is where we get the leviathan axe she didn't manage to succeed in that part, and new prophecies would keep getting created, thats where the prophecies of ragnarok probably appeared and odin attempted to kill all giants during the first game multiple characters say that the signs of the beginning of ragnarok are happening ahead of schedule, probably because faye sent kratos and atreius on their journey way earlier then it was supposed to happen
I feel like one of the tings they tried to express in the throne scene is that there is no " young kratos" and " old kratos", there is only Kratos, a god, who was not spared by the passage of time, of introspective, of growth, of change. He was always a complex character and now he realized that he's not so isolated of his past self because he became noble, he's not so different because he always had that in him, in one way or another.
The story about his daughter got to me the most, it was so nostalgic and sad cause Chains of Olympus was the first game I ever played and it just took me back to a simpler time of my life as well.
It's hard to forget the day Kratos had the rare chance to see his daughter again but was subsequently forced to leave her behind again. Probably one of the few things he will never be able to completely forgive himself for.
The old Kratos finally has his victory and can now rest at last. He defeated the last Greek God left: himself. Now it's all complete and he can sleep: not forgotten, but finally at rest.
Interesting they brought up the boat captain from the first game. Back then, he was the series’ punching bag, bringing him back every now and then, only to have him butchered again by the very man who costed him his life. He was used for laughs then, and now is looked back on with regret and judgement. While they didn’t do so much of it here, i do like when shows or games take a character that was solely a joke and give more respect to them further on.
Remember, even the OG creator of GoW hates Kratos being like this, hates him having... you know character development and growth I cannot fathom how even he couldnt understand his own freaking character and what he went through after his trilogy
It's not a matter of understanding... He created the character, the character is HIS and NO ONE BUT HIM can say anything about the nature of his character, and NO ONE Can say that understand his character more than he do, it's stupidity to think otherwise. However... I preffer this, let's call "side creation" better.
I like this version better. I prefer complexity and depth of character to just mindless vengence all the time. Kratos feels more like a real person now because he has evolved and the previous games had consequences.
@@KoorosmHe may have created Kratos, but he gave up the right to make any kind of declaration like that. In a sense, it was _never_ his character to begin with. If it was, they would have never been able to make the Norse Games to begin with.
I think one of the funnier-yet-sad things that Kratos ever had to do....was do the same button mash QTE he uses on enemies to muster up the strength push his own daughter away. Weird they would do it, but I get the concept and the struggle.
one of the other comments points out that QTEs are mechanisms to convey the amount of effort that Kratos has to go through to perform an action. the GoW1 and PSP game where shes part of, Caliope's QTEs are the most complex chains that the players have to input (killing the hydra has the highest ammount of button presses however) and are longer then GoW3's Deicides. or in other words: Stop Hugging Caliope > Killing the prime head of the Hydra > Killing gods for Kratos.
hearing Kratos speak about Lysandra and Calliope is so heart-breaking. when he said he forgot Calliope's song, and that his feelings are Lysandra are so complicated only because he only sees his failures when he thinks of her, made me choke ho
The intelligence of Kratos has been on display since the first game, albeit hinted or glossed over in the first three games. One does not become a General without understanding strategy and tactics. On top of that, Hera (admittedly drunk) underestimates Kratos and his intelligence when he has to solve her garden. Then after that he has to solve an ever-shifting murder-maze to get in and out. More examples are out there. However intelligence is separate from wisdom. Kratos was always smart, though his brutality led people to underestimate that in the Greek games. However now Kratos has to gain wisdom, not just to run from his actions but to accept them. He knows the most terrifying monsters are the smart ones, and he was no exception back in Greece.
Kratos: The God of War, The Ghost of Sparta, the monster of Olympus, the destroyer of a pantheon, butcher of the innocent, murderer of his own family... the husband, the teacher, the father, general of Ragnarok, savior of the Valkyries, champion of the nine realms, the man who brought the tyranny of Asgard to an end, the man who broke the cycle and chose against all odds and his very nature to be better... The God of Hope.
Honestly, I can't believe that the series creator hates the newer titles because of the development and growth of Kratos as a character rather than still being the angry for sake of being angry monster that he was in gow 3 for his vengeance was all that he had left
Tbf he has every right to believe that since it was his creation and he had a certain vision for it. Not saying that anybody is wrong but he has every right to make his case
@@Bilther_ash that i agree this Kratos is better than the old kratos cause he actually cares about his son, friends an everything and in war of asgrad he don't need to destroy eveything just one evil god that started it all.
@Darknova591 precisely, I actually played the norse games first so when I played the Greek ones rather being made to hate kratos as a character I was excited to see how far he was yet to come
This dlc is amazing. Not only does it give all the insight to those who never played the original games, and context for most of Kratos' story through all the old generation games. But it gives us who played every god of war game back then such amazing levels of pride in how far Kratos has come. We went from a rage fueled being that knew nothing of how to feel. How to be human. And now we get to play as that same being who has learned humanity, love, responsibility, honor, the ability to reflect on his past and learn from it, the ability to take constructive criticism and apply it to better his life and relationships with those around him. He has friends. He has love. He's the shining example of what every god is capable of, and that every god and every human for that matter, every being is capable of change and attonement for his past transgressions. This DLC was made for the fans who've played all teh games. ands they delivered in spades
K: "I don't like Greece. Is messy. Slippery. And gets everywhere." Mir-mir: "I'm the smartest head alive. Yet i can't fathom, how you heard that reference..."
I think the reason for that is because it would then give a distinction between Kratos of the past and present, when the truth is that even the past Kratos is still Kratos
I enjoy the references to Kratos’ past. I think every God of War player should play through the original trilogy not only because they’re crucial to Kratos’ story, but because the games are great. Additionally Kratos pretty much confirms that it hasn’t been centuries since the destruction of Olympus because Kratos said that he didn’t meet Faye centuries following Calliope’s death and I think Kratos wouldn’t have left out the exact details of the timeframe if they weren’t accurate, especially considering that it’s Mimir he’s talking to. I believe it’s been at least 50 years since God of War III, not centuries. As for the vase appearing in Tyr’s temple, perhaps Faye was able to plant it as she knew of the journey Atreus and Kratos would undergo. It’s even possible that Freya was wrong about the timeframe of the temple’s condition.
@@justsomeguy747 the God of War: Lore and Legends book directly says Kratos arrived in the Norse realms 115 years ago. We don't know how many years he spent between killing Zeus and arriving in the Norse realms.
4:59 , What Kratos said is exactly what the Boat Captain think of kratos himself, every words to be exact, you can find the captain's note in the underworld in GoW 3.
I wish I had a friend like mimir to speak too and share my problems with. I know how it sounds, but wouldn’t we all want to have a friend that we could tell our secrets too?
What made it so heartbreaking is if there's a miracle to help undo everything and turn back time for Kratos to correct his mistake and save his daughter and the entire Greece, he wouldn't take it since doing so would undo Atreus.
One of the beautiful parts about Valhalla is that it also shows how much Santa Monica studios and the people running it (Barlog for example) have grown and matured as well.
Tyr mentions Greece's rebuilding, which is an interesting tidbit. I wonder if that realm gets reborn, and the rebirth of the Greek gods into the Roman gods happens
You know what, this is how you make a character change. I know that with certain series, the character undergoes drastic changes from how they used to act earlier in the series, but this is done correctly. Not forced. Not in your face about it. Actual writing and effort was put into this, and you can see the old Kratos regret most of his actions from his past, even though at the time they were necessary, considering who he was up against. This is the same guy, but much much wiser.
19:25 I love how Kratos seems almost out of breath when he finally sits on the throne, like he needs to steady himself. It's a great show of expression.
TC Carson made it abundantly clear that he didn't want to be Kratos. Man voiced the Greek destroyer for 8 games. Main line God of War titles, Chains of Olympus, Ghost of Sparta, Ascension, a Soul Calibur game and a Mortal Kombat game.
Dude fuck whatever the original creator says or does this is the best I’ve seen character development I’ve ever seen in a videogame since the first Spider-Man game
I feel as if Kratos wasn’t ready to address what he was upon seeing his younger self, he probably would’ve had to fight him, and probably either die or revert back to his old ways.
I’m not sure or if it’s a coincidence that in Valhalla they chose to bring back Helios and you are actually able to see him while the next game feels like it’s going to be in ancient Egypt where they also have a sun god (RA). And much like Ancient Greece, ancient Egypt also has a god of the underworld (Osiris), and also the protector of graves (Anubis) although Greece had the gravedigger which was actually Zeus but it’s kind of similar. And just like Zeus ancient Egypt also had a king of the gods (Amon). There are many possibilities for the next god of war even some crazy ones such as Atreus “Loki” maybe even killing some Egyptian gods. There are many similarities between Ancient Greece and ancient Egypt.
I really think there should be a game of Atreus going to Greece and hearing the ghost stories about the god of war, about his father. Seeing how he deals with the fallout of his father’s actions, how he reacts to the stories, how he grows from learning. I think that would be really good. I also want Kratos himself to go back but I feel like it could be really powerful if done right to have Atreus travel to Greece, maybe even meet his half sister
15:00 'hopefully' this means thay even though not as powerful, Kratos still carries the primordial force of hope inside him, possibly he can summon the blade of olympus that way, give it a better story just like the berserker sword, and actively use that power like in the ending of GOW3, The God of War and the God of Hope simultaneously
I literally needed to see this I struggle with my mental health and was triggered when I heard all the negative self talk cuz that’s something I do when I’m deep in my depression and seeing kratos finally acknowledge and express to his younger self that he was better than what he chose to be and still is😢 I mean honestly these writers made more of an impact on my perspective and the hope that I can have this moment for myself than any support group I’ve ever been to bravo
About the boat man, Kratos actually did the good thing there, you see, the boat man left all the woman and *possible invisible children* locked in that room without any escape, he probably knew there was people inside there but he choose to leave them.
Its says a lot knowing that Kratos felt great shame for letting the boat captain fall to his death which was completely pointless as he was blinded by rage and revenge at that point.
I get why Helios would be present with how he went out and how his head was used and discarded, but what about Poseidon that man was given just a horrible and brutal death.
Kratos has come far too long from what he was before, the the servent of Ares to the Ghost of Sparta, to the God of God now, to the Father of Atreus & the God of Hope, he finally accepted & forgave himself from his own guilt The whole story behind Valhalla isn't about going back to the old days in Greece & the classic nostalgia: It's about how you should accept in what you've done good or bad, improve upon it to become better in the newer days I love this series so much, & I love how it gives a greater impact irl sometimes
Helios getting his head ripped off was like a slap on wrist compared to my man Poseidon which he never did anything to kratos he kinda minded his business and got absolutely manhandled
@@augustopatricio5517 nah, more like he was in on the deal as he let Zeus put Kratos's mother in his temple, in his favorite city and kept her there until Kratos found and was forced to kill her. Also most likely sent Scylla after him. Poseidon is just as guilty.
This honestly shook me to my core, I wasn't exactly like kratos, but I was an angry, bitter person that drove people away and sometimes hurt them emotionally, nobody ever stayed because I was a crap person and due to what? My father left me at 7, my mother was not a great one after he did? Maybe but no... My 22 years of my life was filled with so much heartache and misery, I made mistakes, I wasn't there for friends that stuck by me, those friends are gone and buried, not only that I wasn't a good lover, my problems at the time were in the way of truly loving them, I was a broken man and none of that was anyone's fault but my own, I chose to stay broken and I guess I'm only saying this to remind myself where I came from, I have a partner now and he is wonderful, he cares and I guess he's my own version of mimir, nowadays I'm happy, I have hope for a better tomorrow, I'll make sure to hold on to this hope and never revert back to the bitter, angry and resentful man I was, I have my emotions back, my empathy that I lost as a child, I have love now that I couldn't really even get ahold of, I have people that care about me, I still have my father who even though left me, he was always by my side and I have a new life once I get out of the place that houses my old one. I think the only thing to do is accept that my life up until now sucked and also need to accept my mistakes, like kratos did. If anyone reads this, I like to ramble about my life to remind myself and to be proud of who I am today.
you know I remember a comic that showed what would happen if the witch from that one mission of 2018 GOW that showed Greece being rebuilt and kratos being hailed as a hero, worshiped as a god and that it was his daughter leading the rebuilding of the land.
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God of War Ragnarok Valhalla has a ton of moments of Kratos talking about his past and Greece!
Whats your favorite moment?
jon, the next time you get in touch with sms, please ask them to add leg armours in the next game. kinda pisses me off me that we can go maximum drip from the waist up but then we're stuck with the default pants and boots.
@itsenoch_ agreed, add boots to the waist armor and just make it leg armor
My favorite moment is where Kratos talks/yells at his past self coming to terms with what he was and what he will be. I know most people were expecting a boss fight but to me it would have been a bit strange given how different the gameplay is compared to the old.
Death can have me when death has earned me.
I love that he touches on topics that he never really did before. Like his first wife.
The fact is that Kratos can freely talk to Mimir about his past already indicates that Kratos fully trust Mimir´s presence at all time, despite him being just a head.
Because Mimir is one of those few ppl who genuinely like Kratos and understands him. Also he knows when to stop talking and just listen. He’s basically a true bro to Kratos.
Really hits home the fact that it’s the nature of a thing that matters, not its form.
Mimir is his counsel
2 Broken men who have made many a mistake and furthered some of the worst agendas of their time in the service of selfish self serving gods. Yea can't see why they'd relate at all.
Even been a simple head, he is a "living" thing that can think, feel, speak.
This DLC feels like some of the most we ever heard Kratos talk 😭
The most we’ve heard him talk without the person he was talking to being Brok or Atreus.
This DLC don’t even feel like a DLC😭🙏🏾
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@@DarthMechRBLX
Honestly feels like God of War 5.5
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Fun Fact
Great acts of strength often require QTEs in God of War. The greater the feat the more QTEs with killing gods mostly requiring 2 iirc.
Kratos having to leave his daughter behind requires 3. It took everything in that man to leave her
abandon your daughter quick time event
lmao
@@AyyHotDogS mean that must have been pretty damn hard for kratos
@HanyaPanya444 it was. He always loved his families. Especially his children. Even though we didn't see much of it: we saw how that love fueled his rage into grief because someone wanted to mess with his family. Hell he carved through several armies just to get a cure for his sick child or else she would be killed.
WOW...
I like how the throne changed, from the grand and arrogant throne of a god of violence to the sturdy, simple throne of a god of war.
A God of Hope
Not a God of fools
The throne didnt change kratos is the one who changed
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Kratos reminds me to not run from your mistakes. The past can not be ignored. It's a part of you. Because it is you. Failure is the ultimate tool.
"You do not know everything that I am"
"...that you _were"_
Man, Mimir really is the best therapist out there
Nah, he's just being a real bro
Well he was Odin's advisor. He's used to dealing with emotionally unstable gods
The first one is sad as hell. He forgot his daughters song he once knew every note of in all the years that have passed :/
There seems to be relief in his voice when he mentions no longer remembering Calliope's song. While he still has sad memories of Calliope, those no longer haunt him through that song.
Made me legit tear up, imagine being left with such a choice
Yeah i had no idea that he talks about her in the game. So sad. He had to sacrifice his time with her in order to save her. If he had stayed, both he and she will die along with the rest of the underworld by the goddess. The fact that you (as kratos) had to keep pushing her away was so messed up. Yikes im gettin teary lmao
Indicates that he has found peace at last
Remembering Calliope is hurting a lot, but I guess remembering her being cheerful and full of joy seems to hurt much more now she's gone which I believe Kratos tries to keep her memorized with sad memories to lessen his pain.
Bro this was all about the little details OG fans know about kratos. The boat captain still remains one of the funniest moments at the time.
“Not you again!”
I just love the meta narrative of Kratos lamenting over having the boat captain's death follow him no matter where he goes and that being the one joke that appears in EVERY God of War game.
The first playthrough i did of this it took me right up until the end to realize that Tyr basically putting Kratos through therapy to literally face his past. All through the backdrop of Valhalla where the dead have to reconcile their lives before they move on, meaning Kratos literally put his past to rest
Thats some deep shit
ya . i think tyr wants kratos to take his place as god of war . also do they have that device they can travel to other pantheons. also kratos vs tyr. tyr used most egypt so it’ll prob be a egypt ane
Continuing his amazing character growth 👍🏻
@@FearFxlthere are 4 possible realms. There is a side mission in Ragnarok when you find 6 treasure that belongs to Tyr. 4 of them indicates one posible realm
You have Egyptian (the Egyptian cross). The kila dagger (Indian), janbiya (Arabic sword) and the special sculpture (Maya). So at least in god of war series those realm exists.
The other two treasure are a music instrument (Greece) and a Fertilty God (Czech Republic)
Personally I think Egyptian gods would be interesting but personally a Maya world would be great, there are some crazy gods
While
This shit was obvious and lazy 10 minutes in. At least with 2018 it was subtle, fight talk fight talk fight talk is so boring. 2018 had subtle actions like when Atreus was sick kratos wasn’t “I think the urgency of Atreus being sick is important because he is my son, this feeling won’t go away until Atreus feels better. I must be infected as well as my son”
Everyone would be making memes out of it I don’t know how people haven’t memed this dlc yet
I noticed how Tyr was kind of a therapist when he first discovered after Ragnarok, from some dialogue between him and Freya. How he said he could feel her love for her home and assured her that she did do something to help make things better.
If anyone is gonna help Sindri, it’s gonna be Tyr. I can see them crossing paths at some point.
"The hydra was just an animal i showed him what a true monster looked like".
One of the Badass quotes in the game.
That’s not just a quote
That’s a harsh truth.
Bruh I loved this DLC I been playing GOW since I was 10 years old now 23 and this was just the perfect love letter to those game while continuing Kratos story I just wish young kratos and old kratos had a dialogue except kratos monologue at the end
Dude forreal. Have the first kratos VA talk with the new kratos VA wouldve been perfect
It would be cool to see them talk, but I feel it would ultimately take away from our current Kratos development. He did need to speak to himself not his actual past self but how he perceives his past self and that is lost with another voice chiming in. Plus there is no way younger kratos would listen
I think that was done on purpose. Instead of allowing the past to speak to him, he finally stands up against it and speaks from the heart, and not the mind. He doesn't allow the past to taunt him any longer, he finally accepts it and learns to move on, to do better.
I’m 26 playing strong still
I felt the same way brother.
I wish they'd brought up Poseidon's princess. It is one of the cruelties that I'll never be able to forget.
True, but due to the context of that one, they probably didn’t want to bring that one up. Tossing a boat captain to his death just because he could doesn’t sound nearly as bad as using what was likely a sex slave to keep a door up before letting it crush her to death
I...forgot about her...god that was brutal...
@@daryno9048 Kratos might well have come to terms with it. It was more "I need to accomplish this goal, this is the easiest way to do it, I'll do it."
@@ryanmoore6259 i guess, but thats kinda the same logic that he used for the captain. Though, I guess the message could be repetative if they used the Princess. Idunno
They brought up his roasting of the soldier even though in most releases it was a normal enemy rather than a living soldier begging to be released.
There’s a part where he talks about his fight with Hercules. When asked if he regrets it, Kratos said no since he was dangerous and wanted to be God of War for every reason but the right one
A bit of irony there, considering how much the Kratos of old took after the Heracles of myth.
Fun fact the dude who played Hercules in the game was the same dude who played Hercules in The live-action show
@@dwolfman5875 "DISAPPOINTED!"
If you know you know
@@dwolfman5875same with perseus in gow 2
The actor also played perseus in clash of the titans
This DLC really is a love letter to all longtime God of War fans, those who played not only the Norse games but also the Greek ones. Also a great send off for the Greek era.
Yeah the devs are soo based for not shunning the Greek saga
It's too bad one of the creators of the game does not like the current Kratos he said he'd rather him stay a raging monster
@dwolfman5875 that guy a idot
@@dwolfman5875 kinda funny to since he’s doing exactly what the game tells people not to do, being stuck in then past and not moving on and stagnating instead of growing and learning from it.
8:40 "Ambition is poison."
Goes to show that Kratos knows all too well that ambition can lead down a dark path.
All it really is, is wanting better for yourself. Dangerous, perhaps, but it's not evil in of itself. Ambition is only twisted, when ones ambition comes at a cost greater then the ambition itself.
Ambition makes you look pretty ugly - Radiohead
It’s sad to admit that this dlc brought me more resolution then any therapist did. I committed many sins to those that I love. Instead of letting go, when I could at least look ay myself in the mirror, I held onto that pain. It’s time to let go.
Same here I’ve learned so much from this current kratos people make mistakes sometimes they’re so fucked up we feel like we can never move on from them but we can and we will, I know this is a fictional story but its message still stands
Wish i could do that
@@klebin8241 Such a path is not for everyone, but however fruitless the endeavor might seem, we must have hope that it is possible for even us. Don't give up brother, I have hope that you'll make it, because I believe in the good that resides in you, regardless of how small or seemingly weak it may be. Why? Simple, because you wish for it to be so, you desire it enough to wish it. What that tells me is that you have the potential to change and become a better version of you, the you that you want to be, that you choose to be.
And only you can achieve that.
So don't give up, have hope instead.
"We must be better than this". May Kratos's hope guide you, brother.
I’ve held onto a lot of pain in my lifetime. My biological father was an arrogant, secretive, selfish, childish fool. My mom divorced him back in 2017, but he left an eternal scar that felt like it couldn’t heal, a void. When I confronted him, reminded him of the man that he became, he walked away from me. Then afterwards, I became bitter. Why? Because I held onto a lot of rage towards my actual father. He never gave me or my family closure. He ruined me. By the time I moved out for the first time, I felt like I was turning into him, a fiend, a fool. I was lost. It was to the point where my friends, those that I knew for years, were scared. However, it wasn’t until my mom and my stepdad got me back on the right path. Now, after so long, I finally feel like myself again and I see my struggles as a lesson. Never turn into someone u truly despise, or someone that other people could despise or else you’ll lose everything and everyone u love, and you’ll become a shadow of your former self. A monster. Be better. We must be better.
Kratos and Mimir being brothers is the most healing thing to watch.
Shout out to the boat captain. He was the true Bad Luck Brian of Ancient Greece
More like Kenny.
Hung on for dear life in the throat of the hydra only to be dropped by Kratos, hung on for dear life in the underworld only to be stabbed and dropped by Kratos….. bad luck indeed.
@@Jackthat1 Then summoned by the Barbarian to fight Kratos.
At first, I was really curious how they would justify Kratos taking on another Pantheon after this, considering all he's gone through. But now I think I know. He basically has become a God of Hope, so what he does is bringing hope to other lands by taking down the other pantheons that causes their suffering like he did Greece and Midgard.
my guess is he'd face their pantheons to either liberate any tyranny going on through them, or as a trial to make sure they're ready for any threats, possibly justify giving him new weapons with the sense of "face me to earn the strength to seek peace"
@@cosmicneko7225i think he should rest for now. Next gow is loki adventure
@@Andychiu845loki sucks
So if kratos didn't go to midgard, Loki would've never been born? Or someone else to replace Faye's husband
@@MKW-oc8fji think faye changed destiny twice
she probably rejected the one who was supposed to be loki father (vaguely described in the prose edda as being the "rageful striker" funnily enough), meaning loki wouldn't be born in time to be part of many of the old myths, the wolf that eats tyr hand isn't fenrir, mjolnir creation wasn't interfered by loki, and hellheim wasn't governed by his daughter hela
instead faye decided to fight the gods herself, and that is where we get the leviathan axe
she didn't manage to succeed in that part, and new prophecies would keep getting created, thats where the prophecies of ragnarok probably appeared and odin attempted to kill all giants
during the first game multiple characters say that the signs of the beginning of ragnarok are happening ahead of schedule, probably because faye sent kratos and atreius on their journey way earlier then it was supposed to happen
I feel like one of the tings they tried to express in the throne scene is that there is no " young kratos" and " old kratos", there is only Kratos, a god, who was not spared by the passage of time, of introspective, of growth, of change. He was always a complex character and now he realized that he's not so isolated of his past self because he became noble, he's not so different because he always had that in him, in one way or another.
The story about his daughter got to me the most, it was so nostalgic and sad cause Chains of Olympus was the first game I ever played and it just took me back to a simpler time of my life as well.
Hearing the original God of War theme become uplifting, becoming the God of Hope theme, just hits me in my soul
It's hard to forget the day Kratos had the rare chance to see his daughter again but was subsequently forced to leave her behind again. Probably one of the few things he will never be able to completely forgive himself for.
I hope they follow up on this and come to resolve it in a future game.
@@jamesscott1009 how?
The old Kratos finally has his victory and can now rest at last. He defeated the last Greek God left: himself.
Now it's all complete and he can sleep: not forgotten, but finally at rest.
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Interesting they brought up the boat captain from the first game.
Back then, he was the series’ punching bag, bringing him back every now and then, only to have him butchered again by the very man who costed him his life. He was used for laughs then, and now is looked back on with regret and judgement.
While they didn’t do so much of it here, i do like when shows or games take a character that was solely a joke and give more respect to them further on.
God of War grew up and grew wiser, just like its player base.
Sounds like a certain dwarf 😢
Sadly Mimir never saw an olive from those memories
What in the hells an olive? 😂
14:58 the moment even Tyr is annoyed by Helios.
Actually it was 14:24. Just wanted to point that out.
I just fell asleep to Kratos telling stories, truly the best slumber
I almost teared up hearing Kratos talk about Lysandra so.. passionately. And how he only sees his failures when he thinks of her.
Same here 😢😢😢😢😢
Remember, even the OG creator of GoW hates Kratos being like this, hates him having... you know character development and growth
I cannot fathom how even he couldnt understand his own freaking character and what he went through after his trilogy
Just curious, what has he said specifically? Where is this?
I like David Jaffe, but he has a very one-track mind when it comes to his own characters.
It's not a matter of understanding...
He created the character, the character is HIS and NO ONE BUT HIM can say anything about the nature of his character, and NO ONE Can say that understand his character more than he do, it's stupidity to think otherwise.
However... I preffer this, let's call "side creation" better.
I like this version better. I prefer complexity and depth of character to just mindless vengence all the time. Kratos feels more like a real person now because he has evolved and the previous games had consequences.
@@KoorosmHe may have created Kratos, but he gave up the right to make any kind of declaration like that.
In a sense, it was _never_ his character to begin with. If it was, they would have never been able to make the Norse Games to begin with.
I think one of the funnier-yet-sad things that Kratos ever had to do....was do the same button mash QTE he uses on enemies to muster up the strength push his own daughter away. Weird they would do it, but I get the concept and the struggle.
one of the other comments points out that QTEs are mechanisms to convey the amount of effort that Kratos has to go through to perform an action. the GoW1 and PSP game where shes part of, Caliope's QTEs are the most complex chains that the players have to input (killing the hydra has the highest ammount of button presses however) and are longer then GoW3's Deicides.
or in other words: Stop Hugging Caliope > Killing the prime head of the Hydra > Killing gods for Kratos.
hearing Kratos speak about Lysandra and Calliope is so heart-breaking. when he said he forgot Calliope's song, and that his feelings are Lysandra are so complicated only because he only sees his failures when he thinks of her, made me choke ho
Kratos is actually so smart no wounder he was able to beat so many monsters while they were larger stronger and dumber
The intelligence of Kratos has been on display since the first game, albeit hinted or glossed over in the first three games. One does not become a General without understanding strategy and tactics. On top of that, Hera (admittedly drunk) underestimates Kratos and his intelligence when he has to solve her garden. Then after that he has to solve an ever-shifting murder-maze to get in and out. More examples are out there.
However intelligence is separate from wisdom. Kratos was always smart, though his brutality led people to underestimate that in the Greek games. However now Kratos has to gain wisdom, not just to run from his actions but to accept them. He knows the most terrifying monsters are the smart ones, and he was no exception back in Greece.
I just love how open Kratos finally is. He can trust somebody enough to show is vulnerable side
Kratos: The God of War, The Ghost of Sparta, the monster of Olympus, the destroyer of a pantheon, butcher of the innocent, murderer of his own family... the husband, the teacher, the father, general of Ragnarok, savior of the Valkyries, champion of the nine realms, the man who brought the tyranny of Asgard to an end, the man who broke the cycle and chose against all odds and his very nature to be better... The God of Hope.
Honestly, I can't believe that the series creator hates the newer titles because of the development and growth of Kratos as a character rather than still being the angry for sake of being angry monster that he was in gow 3 for his vengeance was all that he had left
Tbf he has every right to believe that since it was his creation and he had a certain vision for it. Not saying that anybody is wrong but he has every right to make his case
@@Stcddot i guess his vision is Kratos being a heartless moster.
@@Bilther_ash that i agree this Kratos is better than the old kratos cause he actually cares about his son, friends an everything and in war of asgrad he don't need to destroy eveything just one evil god that started it all.
@Darknova591 precisely, I actually played the norse games first so when I played the Greek ones rather being made to hate kratos as a character I was excited to see how far he was yet to come
@@Bilther_ash well i'm not suprised cause the Greek saga a lot of cool moments.
This dlc is amazing. Not only does it give all the insight to those who never played the original games, and context for most of Kratos' story through all the old generation games. But it gives us who played every god of war game back then such amazing levels of pride in how far Kratos has come. We went from a rage fueled being that knew nothing of how to feel. How to be human. And now we get to play as that same being who has learned humanity, love, responsibility, honor, the ability to reflect on his past and learn from it, the ability to take constructive criticism and apply it to better his life and relationships with those around him. He has friends. He has love. He's the shining example of what every god is capable of, and that every god and every human for that matter, every being is capable of change and attonement for his past transgressions. This DLC was made for the fans who've played all teh games. ands they delivered in spades
K: "I don't like Greece. Is messy. Slippery. And gets everywhere."
Mir-mir: "I'm the smartest head alive. Yet i can't fathom, how you heard that reference..."
I love Mimir’s comment about how Kratos’s technique has improved.
6:50 damn that’s deep
Another name; God Of War; Kratos goes to therapy.
God of War: Kratos and Mimir's boys trip turns into therapy
Missed opportunity to bring TC Carson in for a couple voice lines!
I think the reason for that is because it would then give a distinction between Kratos of the past and present, when the truth is that even the past Kratos is still Kratos
Fun Fact:
Helios’ voice actor is Crispin Freeman.
If the name doesn’t sound familiar, he’s known for Alucard from Hellsing Ultimate. 😆
19:47 Kratos actually sits on Mimir's head who probably only spoke so he won't be left in the "Dark Side"
Kratos goes to therapy, the DLC
"We're done here... So, what now?"
"Now? I believe i would like to sit here for a while..."
I enjoy the references to Kratos’ past. I think every God of War player should play through the original trilogy not only because they’re crucial to Kratos’ story, but because the games are great. Additionally Kratos pretty much confirms that it hasn’t been centuries since the destruction of Olympus because Kratos said that he didn’t meet Faye centuries following Calliope’s death and I think Kratos wouldn’t have left out the exact details of the timeframe if they weren’t accurate, especially considering that it’s Mimir he’s talking to. I believe it’s been at least 50 years since God of War III, not centuries. As for the vase appearing in Tyr’s temple, perhaps Faye was able to plant it as she knew of the journey Atreus and Kratos would undergo. It’s even possible that Freya was wrong about the timeframe of the temple’s condition.
I feel like you are reaching on that.
@@yokotubene Maybe Freya was wrong about the timeframe of the temple’s sinking.
@@justsomeguy747 the God of War: Lore and Legends book directly says Kratos arrived in the Norse realms 115 years ago. We don't know how many years he spent between killing Zeus and arriving in the Norse realms.
We know he spent time in Egypt @arandomperson3840
@@islandmaster5064we do? Where is that written? Or is it just another fan speculation that everyone just takes as fact?
4:59 , What Kratos said is exactly what the Boat Captain think of kratos himself, every words to be exact, you can find the captain's note in the underworld in GoW 3.
I wish I had a friend like mimir to speak too and share my problems with. I know how it sounds, but wouldn’t we all want to have a friend that we could tell our secrets too?
Word, brother
One that would have wisdom and empathy from experience or else people just say they understand
@@gurjeetsingh6918 Yes❤️
Mine is my Mom. When she passes away it's going to be a lonely, hard life for me.
“The hydra was just an animal. I showed him what a true monster looked like.”
god damn what a quote
Honestly i love how in a way we come full circle of him sitting in the chair once more, but this time as a god far more fitting of the throne
What made it so heartbreaking is if there's a miracle to help undo everything and turn back time for Kratos to correct his mistake and save his daughter and the entire Greece, he wouldn't take it since doing so would undo Atreus.
One of the beautiful parts about Valhalla is that it also shows how much Santa Monica studios and the people running it (Barlog for example) have grown and matured as well.
I love how even Tyr is annoyed of Helios
Tyr mentions Greece's rebuilding, which is an interesting tidbit. I wonder if that realm gets reborn, and the rebirth of the Greek gods into the Roman gods happens
Helios reborn into the freaking Sol Invictus
You know what, this is how you make a character change. I know that with certain series, the character undergoes drastic changes from how they used to act earlier in the series, but this is done correctly. Not forced. Not in your face about it. Actual writing and effort was put into this, and you can see the old Kratos regret most of his actions from his past, even though at the time they were necessary, considering who he was up against. This is the same guy, but much much wiser.
Video Title: "Kratos Talks About Greece"
Kratos: 🎶Greece is the word, the word that you heard its got groove its got meaning🎶
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19:25 I love how Kratos seems almost out of breath when he finally sits on the throne, like he needs to steady himself. It's a great show of expression.
“I would’ve traded the decades that followed for mere HOURS with her”
That hit a lot harder than it should’ve
*Kratos trauma dumped on Mimir
Player: *akwardly shopping*
I really wished TC Carson and Christopher Judge had a small banter about Kratos.
I swear wish Carson came in to voice younger Kratos from the Greek era in the throne room scene
TC Carson made it abundantly clear that he didn't want to be Kratos. Man voiced the Greek destroyer for 8 games.
Main line God of War titles, Chains of Olympus, Ghost of Sparta, Ascension, a Soul Calibur game and a Mortal Kombat game.
Dude fuck whatever the original creator says or does this is the best I’ve seen character development I’ve ever seen in a videogame since the first Spider-Man game
I feel as if Kratos wasn’t ready to address what he was upon seeing his younger self, he probably would’ve had to fight him, and probably either die or revert back to his old ways.
Chris Judge was right, this IS longer, and higher quality than Cod could do this/Last year.
I loved this dlc. It was like an early Christmas present. Heck, i would've paid real money for it
I’m not sure or if it’s a coincidence that in Valhalla they chose to bring back Helios and you are actually able to see him while the next game feels like it’s going to be in ancient Egypt where they also have a sun god (RA). And much like Ancient Greece, ancient Egypt also has a god of the underworld (Osiris), and also the protector of graves (Anubis) although Greece had the gravedigger which was actually Zeus but it’s kind of similar. And just like Zeus ancient Egypt also had a king of the gods (Amon). There are many possibilities for the next god of war even some crazy ones such as Atreus “Loki” maybe even killing some Egyptian gods. There are many similarities between Ancient Greece and ancient Egypt.
Mimir and Tyr are absolute Bros
12:48 Ouch. Helios pulls no punches. And he doesn't even have arms anymore.
I really think there should be a game of Atreus going to Greece and hearing the ghost stories about the god of war, about his father. Seeing how he deals with the fallout of his father’s actions, how he reacts to the stories, how he grows from learning. I think that would be really good. I also want Kratos himself to go back but I feel like it could be really powerful if done right to have Atreus travel to Greece, maybe even meet his half sister
Aphrodite, meanwhile, who was left alone among the ruins and chaos "Well,well,fuck me!"
Technically she and her maidens were killed after Gaea crumbled over Olympus.
The ending is like the ending of a Shakespearean play 🥲 eloquent, emotional and simply beautiful
"God of War : The Therapy" lol.
15:00 'hopefully' this means thay even though not as powerful, Kratos still carries the primordial force of hope inside him, possibly he can summon the blade of olympus that way, give it a better story just like the berserker sword, and actively use that power like in the ending of GOW3, The God of War and the God of Hope simultaneously
whole video is edited well , like a poem, a story of worrier achiving it's true self
I'm astonished by this video❤
Good to see kratos finaly got into terapy
Theres more talk about greece than 4 and ragnarok together
You can tell it wasn't supposed to be. Especially 5
@@meavyhetal what
You can tell it wasn't supposed to be. Especially 5
@@TheVillainArc363 what
Cause that wasn't the focus unless it served the story.
I love that even Tyr can't stand Helios
"aaaand he's back"
The throne looks more like the one in ghost of sparta than gow 2 or 1
That Young Kratos post sitting a throne is basically GOW 1
I literally needed to see this I struggle with my mental health and was triggered when I heard all the negative self talk cuz that’s something I do when I’m deep in my depression and seeing kratos finally acknowledge and express to his younger self that he was better than what he chose to be and still is😢 I mean honestly these writers made more of an impact on my perspective and the hope that I can have this moment for myself than any support group I’ve ever been to bravo
I love how when his talking to his younger self his old theme plays and as he forgives himself his new theme
I love that its all about him moving on...him accepting what has happened and moving past it
About the boat man, Kratos actually did the good thing there, you see, the boat man left all the woman and *possible invisible children* locked in that room without any escape, he probably knew there was people inside there but he choose to leave them.
I got to say, that final scene was a massive missed opportunity to bring back the original VA for Kratos.
Its says a lot knowing that Kratos felt great shame for letting the boat captain fall to his death which was completely pointless as he was blinded by rage and revenge at that point.
This game was an absolute masterpiece. Some of the best acting ive ever seen in games OR movies
I get why Helios would be present with how he went out and how his head was used and discarded, but what about Poseidon that man was given just a horrible and brutal death.
Admittedly, deserved. Dude made Kratos kill his own mom
Kratos has come far too long from what he was before, the the servent of Ares to the Ghost of Sparta, to the God of God now, to the Father of Atreus & the God of Hope, he finally accepted & forgave himself from his own guilt
The whole story behind Valhalla isn't about going back to the old days in Greece & the classic nostalgia:
It's about how you should accept in what you've done good or bad, improve upon it to become better in the newer days
I love this series so much, & I love how it gives a greater impact irl sometimes
They "aye" mimir gives kratos, when he's talking about why he doesn't accept the god of war title, just sounds so understanding
Eyyyy he spoke of the boat captain. Also referenced he follows everywhere he goes.
Helios getting his head ripped off was like a slap on wrist compared to my man Poseidon which he never did anything to kratos he kinda minded his business and got absolutely manhandled
If I recall correctly, Poseidon turned Kratos's mom into a monster he was forced to kill as Atlantis sinked
@@augustopatricio5517 nah, more like he was in on the deal as he let Zeus put Kratos's mother in his temple, in his favorite city and kept her there until Kratos found and was forced to kill her. Also most likely sent Scylla after him.
Poseidon is just as guilty.
I honestly love these talks between Kratos and mirmir.
This honestly shook me to my core, I wasn't exactly like kratos, but I was an angry, bitter person that drove people away and sometimes hurt them emotionally, nobody ever stayed because I was a crap person and due to what? My father left me at 7, my mother was not a great one after he did? Maybe but no... My 22 years of my life was filled with so much heartache and misery, I made mistakes, I wasn't there for friends that stuck by me, those friends are gone and buried, not only that I wasn't a good lover, my problems at the time were in the way of truly loving them, I was a broken man and none of that was anyone's fault but my own, I chose to stay broken and I guess I'm only saying this to remind myself where I came from, I have a partner now and he is wonderful, he cares and I guess he's my own version of mimir, nowadays I'm happy, I have hope for a better tomorrow, I'll make sure to hold on to this hope and never revert back to the bitter, angry and resentful man I was, I have my emotions back, my empathy that I lost as a child, I have love now that I couldn't really even get ahold of, I have people that care about me, I still have my father who even though left me, he was always by my side and I have a new life once I get out of the place that houses my old one.
I think the only thing to do is accept that my life up until now sucked and also need to accept my mistakes, like kratos did.
If anyone reads this, I like to ramble about my life to remind myself and to be proud of who I am today.
Now i gotta do a og gow playthrough of all the games
Mimir kratos beheaded you with your consent he didnt even bother to for Helios's consent
Helios didn’t give him much of a choice, had Kratos let him live, he would’ve betrayed Kratos to Zeus.
I remember someone who made a video like that saying how seen Kratos‘s family would only weaken him so I was thinking…
Chris judge is basically playing teal’c all over again except even deeper and with more character development.
So much he faced, now he finally found his hope he lost for so long
Accepted his past and moved past it
you know I remember a comic that showed what would happen if the witch from that one mission of 2018 GOW that showed Greece being rebuilt and kratos being hailed as a hero, worshiped as a god and that it was his daughter leading the rebuilding of the land.
That was my fan comic lol
@@JonFordyo you got a link to that
That talk with his past self at the end looks like a classical Greek play
I love how Mimir understands what Kratos’s grunts mean.