So basically, they are technically on the same planet, but each section of the planet is home to its own dimension each housing the different mythologies with their own rules for how the world works
And the gods power is limited to that swction of the earth, similarly to how a politician power is limited to the territory of his nation, that way Helios controls how the sun interacta with the Greece world and Ra controla how it interacta with the Egyptian world
Imagine if the head gods had all met before to designate their territories and now that Zeus and Odin are dead, the other pantheons have an emergency meeting of what to do with Kratos
Well, Greece is uninhabitable unless if the transition to the Roman Empire saved it since there’s new gods to take the Greek gods places and control the hell that kratos left behind and Norway has been taken over by kratos. I can see the next pantheon having a hard time thinking he’s a good guy now since he just destroyed his home and took over another pantheon. Now that I think of it, kratos finding out the Roman gods essentially saved Greece (but act the same cuz it’s just a copy paste irl) and possibly returning just to see how it’s changed only to find out the people still haven’t forgotten the ghost of Sparta now that he’s a boogeyman that their home would make a pretty cool comic
@@ereleonimagine when Atreus and Kratos goes to Egypt the Egyptian god panic and brings Zeus back from the dead bro imagine Zeus spending time with his grandson while his son looking ways to kill him without Atreus seeing
@@Dookieman1975 it’d be cool if the gods that died and were reborn like Jupiter/Zeus and Mercury/Hermes doesn’t recognize him but the gods that survived like Diana/Artemis and Bacchus/Dionysus freak out when they see him and start hurling spears at him before he can get a word in and when they’re convinced he’s not a threat they tell him to gtfo before he kills any more gods
I spoke to Cory Barlog back at the New York Game Awards 2019 about why the other Gods don't visit or go to other realms like Kratos. This was before Ragnarok's release. He told me that the Gods are all aware of one another but have an unspoken agreement to never invade or trespass on the other's realms. Doing so marks that God who invades another realm for immediate death. But rules can be broken.
It's not that the gods of other pantheons can't visit other lands, the unspoken agreement must be that the pantheons can't invade each other and take their territories. This treaty is only intended in the grand scheme of things, it could not apply to Kratos because he was a wandering deity, without subjects or domains to defend. That was until he decided to become the god of war of the nordic lands, and acquired the responsibility of resolving conflicts and enforcing the laws of war when they are inevitable For this reason, I believe that Kratos will no longer cause any more problems to other mythologies: not only is he busy with his duties in the Nordic lands, his actions would also speak on behalf of the other Norse gods (it would not be a nice scenario if the Japanese, Mayan and Egyptians gods are forced to invade Scandinavia because Kratos goes and destroys the competition)
In the novel adaption of the first game, Ares doesn't care for that unspoken agreement as he goes to Egypt and attacks their civilization as a means to taunt Zeus. Would assume some of the gods must’ve been pleased to hear Kratos ended him and took his position.
And he also said that they all exist on the same Earth. And he literally showed tweets where the devs said they are on same Earth. There is more evidence pointing to one Earth than multiple dimensions.
Devs basically explained that each land that worships a separate pantheon is basically an alternate dimension. That's like me having to hop dimensions to travel from Texas to New York.
Not really though because you can travel to one pantheon’s land to another by normal means, (such as a boat) so it’d be more like you getting on a boat and going from China to Australia.
@@DirtyDev Tyr needed the Unity Stone to travel to other mythological realms, so he didn't travel by conventional means. Another issue with this is the fact that each mythology has their own universal creation events that are considered canon, even the developers say it's all valid. Cory Barlog has even corroborated that they are separated by dimension and has even acknowledged that the universes that were created are in his mind "referring to the universes that they themselves have dominion over," he also went on to say "the greater "actual" universe has yet to be explored," pretty much saying that anything outside of those alternate dimensions with their own unique cosmos hasn't been explored yet. He also said that in each geographical region on Earth "there exists a version of the universe with it's dimensions and Earth as inspired by the prevalent mythology and local belief system," so each mythology exists in its own dimension inspired by the real world cultures of that real world region. In closing, them existing in different dimensions makes sense, especially since they all have unique universe creations that are all valid to God of War's lore and are totally separate from each other.
I thought this was explained at the beginning of God od War: Ascension. The primordials, beings that predate the universe, fought endlessly until their fighting spawned creation. All creation stories in this universe reference that event, hence why both Gaia and Surtr remember the creation of Earth. This is even somewhat confirmed in GoW:R when Surtr says the Blades of Chaos have power and it is irrelevant what lands they're from, because they contain Primordial fire.
The Norse realm has a separate creation story though, ymir is the first being in the norse.Norse. Gaia is responsible for the creation of the earth so of course she remembers. Surtr remembers because he existed after the first 2 realms were created (muspelheim and helheim) and was around to know about Odin killing ymir and making midgard. These two stories do not coexist in the same world.
@@bigbosss7911 I'm saying they both remember the creation of the world because they were both spawned out of the fighting of the cosmic primordials BEFORE the creation of the world, just in different areas. These primordials don't exist in the Greek creation story either, Chaos was their version of Ymir.
I’m fairly certain Cory Barlog explained it in a sense that the mythologies exist within their own geographical areas but within then they have their version of the world and cosmology. Essentially like pocket dimension or universes inside of a multi verse. It’s also become apparent that some pantheon are aware of the other pantheons; more than likely acknowledging the info given to us by Cory himself. Cory Barlog himself on the matter; “The ‘actual’ god of war earths geography is the same as our real earths. The only difference between the two is that within each geographical region, there exists a version of the universe with its dimensions and earth as inspired by the prevalent mythology and local belief system of people living in that particular region”
This makes the most sense to me. The issue with the theory of "all pantheons exist on the same planet and can simply be walked to" is the existence of stuff like sun gods. No matter what landmass you're on, there's only one sun, so there can't be more than one sun god governing the same body. There aren't multiple suns, nor does the sun switch over to a new one when you walk next door to another country with another pantheon. Each pantheon's territory acting as a sort of pocket dimension with its own cosmology fixes the issue and makes it work.
Maybe beyond the Rift is the Lovecraftian plane of existence. If the creators said that space has not been explored yet, that means we'll be headed into Elder God territory like Azathoth. Imagine Kratos or Atreus battling Cthulhu with other pantheons helping out.
Considering the Lovecraftian elder entities have more power than the gods of mythologies of all cultures within the Lovecraftian myth, that would simply mean that within the God Of War Universe, the Elder gods > All other gods (but again we have to take in theorised consideration that the Lovecraftian myth is real)
@@oxwinienoname6052 that asuming the lovecraftian gods are THAT powerful, lovecraft was quite vague in that regard and azathot could perfectly be no more powerful than zeus...
The developers talked about it, and Kratos even got asked about it by Mimir and Freya in Ragnarok, they asked if he could summon any of his old powers, he said he tried, and Freya said perhaps your powers disappeared along with the destruction of the land, so even with that detail in the game we can conclude that mythologies our region specific
The whole thing about Kratos' godly powers is a pretty interesting element of this whole theory. IF it's true that godly powers only go so far as the barriers of the realm, then the games contradict this. Tyr went to other realms using magical items of his own land, becoming a figure of worship in other pantheons (this is true in the real world, where the god Tyr in fact is seen as a common element in many pantheons. Some theories even suggesting that the name Tyr and the title "Deus", along with "theos", stem from the same root, meaning that "Tyr" might just be the original head-god of tribal religions. Just a thought.) So if Tyr managed to do that, then it's clear that both magical items and the power to BE a god and have godly powers are NOT in fact limited to their respective realms of origin. It's possible that the powers GIFTED to Kratos by the gods, as his lesser powers, are what dissapeared over time. This begs the question, however, WHERE are his other weapons? The blades of chaos were specifically gifted to him by Ares and were in fact replaced over time by Athena. Yet we see the blades of chaos arrive in their original form in Midgard. HOWEVER, the markings on the blades of chaos are notably different from their original markings, matching the midgardian themes. We also know that Kratos maintained and kept what made him a god in the first place. The god of strength. He BECAME the god of war later on, and that might be the title the developers officially went with, but his ORIGINAL powers are very clearly that of massive and perhaps even unlimited strength, capped only by Kratos' willpower. (though this latter part is yet to be confirmed. However, it seems to be consistent with the feats he is shown to be capable of. During battle he struggles against minor mobs but at the same time he can LIFT A WHOLE TEMPLE if he really tries hard enough.) So this might lead us to a secondary hypothesis. There might just be a "grand plan", in which Kratos is involved. The Norns indicate that Kratos "follows his nature" and that this leads him to the conclusion he was written for, a conclusion that wasn't made by the gods themselves in their respective realms, as Odin knows nothing of it and is in fact trying to prevent his own prophecy from coming to a conclusion. Kratos seems to act as the resident "godkiller", cleaning up two seperate pantheons for differing reasons. With the revelation of the rift and the revelation that gods KEEP some of their traits between worlds, despite other powers dissapearing, it might just be that A) Gods have a source of primal power and gifts that they harness and get to keep regardless of the realm they visit or destroy B) Kratos and possibly Tyr are UNIQUE in that they are the ones that can do the above, for a reason as of yet unexplained and perhaps for a plan that the gods themselves know nothing of. Alternatively, it might be that Tyr kept his powers and magical items because midgard was never destroyed. However, this does not explain why Kratos kept his or kept the blades of chaos (while seemingly other items were destroyed, though this may have had a different cause. It seems all his items were destroyed in the clash with Zeus, and the blade of olympus was simply left behind. With only his current version of the blades of chaos remaining. But then that begs the question again: why did only the blades remain? It's possible that what has been eluded to in Ragnarok makes the blades of chaos unique, regardless of whether the greek gods knew about it or not. The blades possess a "primordial flame" that was not created by the gods of the greek pantheon themselves. Perhaps that is what spared the blades from destruction, unlike the other items and powers. In truth, lots of questions remain, perhaps with no real answers to ever be given.
@@RedFloyd469it was Primordial Flames, which exist in all realms, that let Blades of Chaos keeps it power despite it being Greek in origin so no, there's no contradiction there.
14:55 I watched till the very end. Appreciate the video. I didn't see many people talk about how the the gods in this game are hardly gods. I like that you mentioned it.
This was great and my understanding of how the worlds worked was essentially this. This is also why I believe Atreus will cross the mythology barrier to Celtic mythology for the DLC and learn of the different mythos working around that area that were essentially what was leftover after the Fall of Rome. That is also how I believe Mimir knows about Kratos as the Ghost of Sparta. Because the Celtic Gods knew of the Romans and the Romans knew of the Greeks.
I theorise that the Roman gods will be a reincarnation of the Greek gods based on the last surviving Greek civilians who touch the blade of Olympus becoming, Jupiter (the new Zeus), Mercury (the new hades) and Neptune (the new Poseidon) with these gods creating the Roman mythology and being more righteous and less corrupt versions of the olympians. So perhaps if and when Kratos returns to Greece he will be greeted by 3 peaceful Roman gods? Your t is also very plausible
Kratos broke the barrier when he moved from Greece to Norway and as well to Egypt already in the comics . But i get your point Atreus will make it like his travelling from midgard to Helheim.
@@noahsibahi-jackson8757 Mercury is Hermes; Venus is Afrodite; Mars is Ares; Jupiter is Zeus; Saturn is Cronos; Uranus is not assigned; Neptune is Poseidon; Pluto is Hades
Headcanon of mine is that the primordeal realms across all mythologies are connected. That when you go far enough in Muspelheim, you'll eventually end up in Tartaros.
The only issue with this theory the gods never would seem content with ruling what ever they rule. Unless there is some force keeping them tied to their lands. It would make more sense that they all overlap somehow but exist separately. Zeus nor Odin from what we see could ever co-exist. The know each other is there but the Aseir are fighters and would likely go to war to the Greek gods just because especially with Odins thirst for knowledge.
The type-moon/Nasuverse explains that different mythologies and pantheons exist and are separated by what are known as “textures” which works similar to how you describe different mythologies coexisting
Didn't Cory Barloc already explain in an interview that the various mythologies where like it's own galaxy? Existing in the same universe but seperated by distance? To some extend it is similar to how the Nine Realms are portrayed in these games. All conneted but spacially seperate.
They are also separated temporally but exist in a mystical way and in this case geographic region does not mean continent or countries but rather a dimension or reality.
@@dangerouslypink2394Actually I don't think they are going to use any religion that is still practiced today. Maybe something like japanese shinto stuff, it's not practiced/lived in a way like hinduism. It's kinda strange/intertwined with buddhism tho. But still don't believe they'll use it. Maybe egypt tho
I've always loved settings where multiple pantheons exist and all of their gods/afterlives are actually real. Wish there were more real world inspired settings were every religion, mythical creature and legend are based on fact. It would be amazing going on an adventure were you start off fighting werewolves/vampires/fairy and by the end of it you're fighting Oni and Chinese demons.
The way that various pantheons seem to coexist in the world makes me think that the gods are in fact an ancient civilization predating humanity. That all we know of them are from myths and legends.
@michaelblower7363 Assassin's Creed attempted this with the Isu. An ancient civilization of which many mythological figures were part of. Even ones like Adam and Eve.
I like to think the domains each pantheon governs is like a bubble that sit against each other, each with their own creation myth that allowed each domain to form independantly
How does each God of War co-exist with others of the mythology? Simple: Olympian: "You stay over there in the sands, and I'll stay over here." Egyptian: "And you keep to your mountain, and I'll stand my ground here with the sun." Norse: "I won't mess with either of yall unless you come here to start something." Kratos: "Leave...My...Home!"
How is it explained in the Comics? I have just watched the MCU shows and movies, and gets a bit confused with the differences of Gods, God, and Gods-who-really-are-just-aliens in that universe
@@norse_wolf5614 it would take all day to properly explain. But the short version is- the death of the Elder Gods left the godly energy of creation forming pocket dimensions all over earth- the early collective mind of man eventually gave form to the godly energy- with each region seeing their Gods in their image and vice versa.
I always thought that the pantheons of Marvel are not real gods. They're just incredible strong ageless species who happen to have lesser species worship them. Odin says "we are not gods, never were", in the MCU anyway.
Theres even a dialog between mimir and kratos, asking of the many different powers of his land, and he says he himself used to wield it, but no more even if he tries, which atreus complements saying that Freya told him that the magic is bound to thr land, and as it dies (or you leave it as well i believe) you lose it's power
The best way to think of this concept is like an empire in ancient times: More specifically, the capital city from which that empire spawned (in this case we can compare it to any pantheon). For this example, let's use Rome (how original). The capital city of Rome, for a time, was the city of Rome itself (although it was still considered to be the capital at least in spirit during the years of the late empire and after the split), and like other states at the time, the actual concept of a modern border was not a thing. Instead, empires and other states, even tribes and confederations all had a stretch of land that belonged to nobody. This is obviously a "No Man's Land" deal. Now, as for the empire or city state, or whatever we use as an example, as I said in this case, Rome, it is the capital city of the state itself which holds influence over the many swathes of land it has expanded to. However, this is not always shown on a map. Instead, most areas are colored or filled in as the color that represents the state itself. In this case, we may look at whatever region tends to be mountainous and has a historical record of having mountain tribes: Sardinia's interior, and Isauria in Asia Minor (mod. day Turkiye). Some regions are difficult to influence and claim due to a plethora of factors, one is most predominantly geographical. If a state attempts to project influence into a mountainous region (at least during the times of Antiquity), it will be met with a great pushback. Rome had built forts inland on the island of Sardinia in such a way that the mountainous interior was encircled. The region of Isauria was not even fully conquered in the 500's AD. Let us also look at the Zagros Mountains that contain Iran. Historically, the Iranian empires have dwindled in size, progressively over time, due to a number of outside factors, but also in part, due to the geography. Even today, mountainous terrain is both a boon and a weakness. So, let's go back to a specific state, or region's, pantheon. The pantheon may have, in some cases, as much power and projection as the state it is home to, or in other words, may be locked similarly by the state's geography. In other cases, for pilgrims or settlers of peoples who come from foreign lands and partake in foreign faiths, they may bring their home's influence with them in some way, shape, or form, whether it be their culture, religion, etc. In some cases, a newer faith, or older faith may come to supersede another faith in some region. In short, a pantheon's influence only expands to the limits of how far its followers venture. But it may be limited to specifically the people who follow said pantheon. If there is a man of the Hellenic faith in mod. day Norway, then his pantheon may perhaps hold dominion over him, although he is now within the limits of a new pantheon, one foreign to him. But because the Norse pantheon, in this case finds this man within its domain, its realm, and perhaps point of origin, this pantheon's influence would be vastly greater than the Hellenic one, therefore this man who hails from Greece may now be under Norse jurisdiction. I'd imagine, that because each pantheon holds dominion over specific regions of the world (and while syncretism is a thing and could cause some pantheons to "bleed together" somewhat), I'd imagine there is a stretch of "No Man's Land" in which no influence exists, much like that of an old state.
The game Fate/Grand Order introduced this concept called "Textures", which in a nutshell are the planet being divided into different zones with different metaphysical laws as enforced by powerful beings such as gods. In Sumeria you could just dig to the underworld for example, which wasn't possible in more modern eras. After GoW 4's revelations, I sort of assumed something similar was going on here too.
easiest way to get explain this in my mind, is it's an entire galaxy with separate planets that have separate inhabitants and creators, but all of those planets are on one globe
Polynesian mythology would be pretty sick. The main creator God Tagaloa is legit just a cool guy who wanted to see stuff exist. Pele the Volcano Goddess would be a killer boss fight, and Maui would be fun to challenge to a hunt or something.
One of the things I love about the Dresden Files is Jim Butcher's ability to interweave the dichotomy of various religious dogma and mythology together. Neil Gaiman does this rather well too with the American Gods books, though his method is a bit different.
In Titan Quest there is also a mythology crossover. First act is Greek mythology, second act is Egyptian mythology, third act is Babylonian and Chinese mythologies and fourth act is back to Greek mythology
Tomato. I think the reason that all the mythology’s have similarities is maybe a war. All the pantheons fight to rule the whole world. The wars end in a stalemate and the gods all agree to set boundaries. They trade ideas like humans, trees, agriculture, the sun, the moon, etc. To explain the higher existence maybe instead of a stalemate one pantheon won and decided to take over the galaxy, choosing only the strongest of the gods to leave Earth and join them in their galactic conquest. Any event on Earth is a challenge to see who is worthy of joining the greatest pantheon. This would open a huge door for Kratos to be invited to this great pantheon and end up destroying it after discovering how terrible its gods are.
They're basically like different kingdoms. Each Kingdom has power only over their own lands and become powerless when they're outside. The Gods probably only retain their natural strength, experience, intellect and weapons outside their "kingdoms". How Kratos lost most of his Greek abilities but was still capable of killing Norse gods and could use his blades of chaos.
Nah the Gods didnt loose their power just by going into another Pantheon,per Ragnarok, it explain that Magics is a fundamental aspect that already exist before the Creation of each Pantheons main reality thus part of *Primordial stuff* and is the very make up of Realms, Kratos lost all his powers because Greek Pantheon are no more (but Kratos still able to regain his original strength and Blade of Chaos along side a sliver portion of Hope inside him)
My theory is That when kratos left the Greek region there was a invisible portal that took him to another dimension and the gods know each other because they can travel between dimensions anytime they want but their godly powers will be affected in their own dimension
It's hilarious that there are so many all powerful Gods and Goddesses coexissting within the GoW universe. And yet within all of creation, the universe and far beyond it, they all choose to hang out on the exact same small planet and split it via countries. Unless there are other mytholgies on other planets
@@captaindiscount6316With the writers development for Kratos, it’d be fitting if he became a godly politician essentially but also oof cuz he murdered two pantheons.😂 The other gods meet up and the topic is “How we gone deal with this god of war that’s murdering us off??”
Its basically like each realm/country are like pieces if a puzzle the way Mimir describes "Going north" implies he and Kratos both traveled on foot to the Norse realm
Honestly, I have always imagined a medium in which every mythology coexists. I imagined a hypothetical clash between Thor, who survived Ragnarok and travels the world in search of adventure, and Sun Wukong, ending in a huge amount of very spectacular beatings.
There is a lot of media that does this. Age of Mythology, various stories from comic author Neil Gaiman, Records of Ragnarok, even Assassin's Creed. And plenty more. I love the concept.
Thor is the face or Norse Pantheon warrior under his father, a good counterpart in Chinese Mythology would be Erlang Shen, since he's basically serve the same role.
@@IAmAlpharius20 You are not a real Christian if you think Jesus resort in violence. In your arrogance, illusion of power over others. You blind your way, against the way and teaching of the lord you swore to serve. You've become sinned.
I also think that the different creation myths could all just be retellings of the same event from different point of views - e.g. just like the Bible and the Epic of Gilgamesh both refer to a great deluge.
I JUST started playing it recently. The idea of the universe being more than just one kind of mythology blew my mind and i tried to rationalize it. I truly want to know and understand what is going on because it doesn't make sense to me but luckily this video exist
I think each mythology is more like equivalent to a different planet than a different country both in size and the difference in rules, also interesting to note that the only way anyone has ever went to a different mythology is through water so maybe that has something to do with life starting from water and water being like an infinite void of chaos
On the mask, it has egyptian hieroglyphs, greek Japanese and old norse runes, there were four symbols in tyrs vault that were symbols for war in those corresponding cultures.
FYI. In Chinese mythology there is a God of Gods, we refers to it refereed as "Shangdi (上帝)" which mean the "Lord Above" or Tian (天) which means the Heaven. The Lord Above is an omniscient and omnipotent force that transcends Existence as opposed to "Shen (神)" which mean gods like Zeus or Osiris.
Yahweh also has no sense of being bound by time or space. It's written HE IS THE BEGINNING AND THE END. Not that he was in the beginning which alludes to creation. He always WAS. It is written in the Bible, beside him there is no other God. In Jeremiah 10"11: “Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’ ”
0:12 I know this is me being a 🤓 but technically multiple mythologies co-existing has been a thing in this series since the very first game, since you can see Egyptian hieroglyphs in Athens.
Which confirms that multiple mythologies co-existing on the same globe was never a retcon made by later games, but it was, in fact, intended when the first game was being developed.
@@gowautist not to be a 🤓 back at you, but I think there is a distinction between mythologies and mortal world. Gow1 shows hieroglyphs, which confirmed Egypt the PLACE exists, but not Egyptian gods. For what we knew, they could be praying to Greek gods in Egypt too. But the Kraken is a definitive Norse mythological creature. And the Persian King set it in stone. Like I said in the video, I believe the Roman gods don’t exist in gow. That doesn’t mean the Roman EMPIRE and real world history don’t exist, they’re just “covered” by the Greek gods.
that shit confirms nothing, it could happen to be a minor easter egg or egyptians traveling to the greek universe at one point it can mean a lot o things@@gowautist
I watched to the end, and I gotta say it was pretty interesting, the question of all the mythologies in God of War Co-existing has always pondered in my head since God of War 2018, this video has answered a few questions for me
A lot of this matches up pretty well with what I was imagining in my mind as well. Maybe not the parts about each mythology zone having their own sun/moon/etc, but I was approaching the GoW universe with the idea that the mythologies were kind of like empires with their own distinct boundaries. I felt like Ragnarok kind of helped put the concept of "different realms" to bed with various Tyr artifacts being referenced as having come from the south or the west, etc. I do think there might, to a SMALL degree, be different realms, but through the various magics at play, the separate realms are only accessible from within specific mythological boundaries. Maybe because that area's type of magic allows it or the connection is simply stronger. So that could explain places like Muspelhiem or Nilfhiem. One concept I hadn't really considered before is that the gods of earth are not really gods, or at least not the Big Gods, and there's another tier of gods that created and maybe control them. That could actually be an interesting concept to wrap up the GoW saga.... the last 1-3 games involve Kratos going to war with the gods that rule over everything.
The thing you mention of a "God of gods' and what not is interesting. The demiurge and Gnosticism would fit well into the mythos of the series honestly. Alternatively, I imagine it could be working on the Hindu type of rules, where there is a prominent force acting in all and yet passive at the same time that represents ultimate truth, Brahma. It is "God" but is as much impersonal as personal. Its why in Hinduism there are Gods, both big G and little g, because for it to act it must take the form of these Gods and in Hinduism depending on who you ask the true face and form of Brahma is one of these Gods like Shiva, Shakti, etc. A number of these Gods are still part of the reincarnation cycles(in Buddhism, they all are) and thus subject to death and other things still but maybe reborn at a later date or through aid by other Gods(Or a big g god, like VIshnu or Shiva). I know in some games Gods don't die in the traditional sense, and in games I've played like Sacrifice, they can even come back, possibly representing the same forces they did whilst likely under a new ego and identity since a number of gods tend to be that: A force of nature with a soul, a personality. I tend to roll my eyes at most of such portrayals cause many media like to portray gods as just a super powered human and never really confront the, somewhat, eldritch nature of their being, or assuming that the destruction of such a being will carry no consequences(Though GoW3 did show that Kratos path of revenge was fucking everything up). The Chaos Gods, at least as far as 40k is concerned, note that the Chaos pantheon is a accumulation of all the emotions of the galaxy pooled to create a sentient force of will and destroying them would mean destroying the forces they represent as well. Just alot of interesting thoughts to be had.
@@rgama1173 Its possibly based on the idea of Gods of ancient lore being actually heroes deified in some way(Course I also heard that, and likely is the true origin of the this idea, that such a thing was done to avoid Christian destruction of pagan materials). It doesn't help when they want to make them antagonists or, rarely these days, some form of helper/protagonist. Imagine trying to fight something that has no true form, since most forms of these dieties are technically anthros, their forms far beyond human understanding. I think people often fail to understand how, and I'm sure there is a better term than this, "eldritch" Gods can be. It should be noted when Khrisna showed his true form to Arjuna, there was no better way to describe it than terrifying, as Arjuna begged him to return to humanoid form.
If you go the Gnostic route the head of each Pantheon is one of the Archons that the Demiurge created but there are only 12 of them so how many major mythologies would that cover as some mythology have crossover points with cultures blending.
Considering the gods in god of war are, like, universe level, then the concept of an even greater creator deity that is a god to the gods is terrifying
I bet God would be seen as one of the most powerful deities. Many mythologies have an entire Pantheon devoted to the mansions and deeds that God can accomplish *alone*@sircumsalot3604
@sircumsalot3604 Im not christian, but that would be dissrespectfull to the religion. It should really stay within mithology. Involving christianity will open up lore that is 10 times wider than what we have currently.
At some point they have to answer these questions and your explanation very logical according to the rules of gow world and the information available about it, great video
Basically belief create gods.According to Apollo, in the past, almost every city had their set of gods. But as they were forgotten, most of them dissapear. Some gods survived by joining other pantheons. It's also seems to work by geographic areas. When it comes to the myths of creations, I don't know how it work. Hmans are the one creating gods with their faiths, so the gods shouldn't be able to exist without them, much less to be at the creator of humanity.
It has been many years since I read those books, but iirc Chiron said something along the lines of "there is a difference between *the gods* of the pantheon and capital G 'God' singular, but that's above my paygrade" implying that there was some sort of monotheistic creator above all the pantheons. There was also another passing reference to "Capital G" if I remember right, in the context of not caring who overhears, but again very vague. May be referring to the Abrahamic faith's respective understanding of a single God, or to any other form of monotheism.
Ok I guess but I just wished they tied them together a bit more cohesively. I always liked David Jaffe's take where he says Kratos will engage with each patheon killing everyone eventually making way for Jesus Christ.
Imagine if eventually Kratos became Jesus Christ sacrificing himself to the mortals to cleanse them of their sins... His curse eventually fades, he's no longer an immortal and because he is the son of the king of gods and has followers and as the world begins to unite under Christianity he is able to influence more of the world with his sacrifice... And as he dies on the cross the last power of hope he carried inside himself because he didn't truly die so wouldn't have been able to release it all then... So it showers across the entire planet and everyone is given his final ounces of hope and they end the series...
The primordials such as Ymir, Surtr, Gaia, Uranus, and many more were all part of the same primordial battle, as described in the OG GOW series, and they split their shared their universe and made galaxies that each one rules
I always interpreted the different creation myths as simply starting from different points, but ending up in the same place. All of these Gods and Magic come from their own realms of Chaos, but have all ended up in the "Mortal World", our dimension. Therefore Earth is essentially a collection of different creation events coming together and adding on to the same planet. Like an interdimensional hotspot.
Bro. If the demiurge theory is real we could be getting a fantasy version of Doom Eternal the Ancient Gods. Would like to see Kratos go toe-to-toe with the Dark Lord. Would love to see him meet the Doom Slayer and have a couple beers
@@Artryom worst part? People make fun of Christianity all the time yet they won't ever touch Islam, hilarious when it comes to a religion people will defend harshly.and won't just get stepped on.
In the Ragnarok, there is a Kratos dialogue that he tried to use his skill from previous game in the norse land and it didnt work, and Atreus said that magic or God Power only affect its primordial land, which means it only affect where those magic are born, like a skill from greek god would only work in greek, and etc.
This makes more sense than the last guys video I watched saying that Athena was the source of the rift and was preventing anyone else from trying to gain the power she discovered so she started the whole ragnarok prophecy to kill Odin and any other gods who attempted to search through the rift. despite the fact at least two gods are going to said place because of her and the selfless acts they did and he claimed she created the mask to manipulate them into enacting her plans? Despite the fact it’s supposedly the only way for them to gain access to the rift. It was just a mess and made me mad by how little the dude thought it out before making an hour long video about it
I feel like the games themselves should do a better job of explaining this this scenario. Your explanation makes sense but I want to hear It confirmed and broke down within the game. Because they seem to be making things up as they go along and contradicting moments.
That'd be interesting! It'd also be a total genre switch I'd imagine (action to horror). Might just be me, but I couldn't see Kratos surviving in that mythos.
They'd have to downplay Lovecraft OR Amp Kratos. Either way, it's not like they won't have Kratos slaughter most of them, considering the beings in Lovecraft are bigger jerks than Zeus
I've always wondered this so really glad to see a video on it. What I want SMS to do is take influence from the Percy Jackson universe cuz several mythologies exist there too. The gods there have knowledge of other pantheons but veer away to avoid disturbance & the power of each pantheon is limited to the land of their influence. Also tomato!
I was always confused on the fact that they seem to exist in America now , with hidden places and mortal memorials being the disguised “magical “version . Like are they still influenced over Europe? And like wtf is in Alaska?
I seem to remember corey once telling in an interview that the worlds exist on top of each other and kratos did in fact hop into another dimension/realm when going to midgard and not just traveling a couple thousand km north.
I agree but also Kratos was kidnapped by a mysterious woman with two wolves which is faye with skol and Hati and remember that Tyr teached her the ways of going outside the world tree which is how she met kratos in the novels
We have the real Tyr with us now, and the actor confirmed he’ll be back. He’s the god who traveled all the lands and pantheons, we are almost guaranteed to hear more about how the gow Earth works from him in the next installment.
I’ve always wondered if they occur at “different times”. Essentially, when one pantheon’s rule comes to an end, then Revelations, Ragnarok, etc. happens&then the another one takes over; except since they are all gods&more or else can transcend time&space, they also occur simultaneously.
I have always wondered how these mythologies in these games - as well as Record of Ragnarok - manage to co-exist, and what would happen if they ever visited and caused any destructions in that exact mythology. And, all though not completely, i am kinda satisfied with this result. Unlike MARVELs direction (haven't read the comics, only seen the MCU) about Egyptian + Greek Gods are indeed Gods, and the Christian gods have been here for some time, and the Norse gods are aliens, and a lot more weird stuff..which, i Guess works, somehow?
@@MidChronicler cool video, I hope Ainu mythology, Native American myths/legends, Inca mythology, Maya Mythology, Korean mythology, Australian Aboriginal mythology/traditional beliefs, Inuit mythology and African mythologies/religions show up in God of War one day.
This is a fantastic video, man. Good job. Is Athena from the comic canon, btw? How does she have access to her physical form in the physical world? And how come she's completely different from GoW3 and 4's Athena?
Thank you, daddy! Fallen God is a major pain in the ass. We have no reason to believe it's not canon, it's the most recent comic we have. But it's so stupid and confusing. Athena's actions and words are nothing like what she did in 3 and 2018. I don't know why they made this at all, it's weird.
So we know that gods can cross between godly realms, as Kratos went from the destroyed Greek realm to the Norse realm, but has it actually been confirmed if humans can do that too? If humans can’t then that would give more precedence to all these godly realms coexisting if their subjects (humans) can’t just leave to a different realm as they’re tied to the realm of their creator(s)
If all these worlds exist, why didn't Kratos and Atreus leave the Norse mythology after delivering the Ashes, why stay for Fimblewinter when it was weakening them?
1. Traveling far in Fimblewinter is hard and dangerous. The water be covered in ice. There no where to camp or grather food while Traveling over big ocean of ice water. It will take longer without a ship full of supplies. Remember you have to feed yourself and the wolves pulling your sled. 2. Going to another land and Gods who you don't even know might be worst than the ones you do know. Especially since all magic items will not longer work besides the chaos blades. They be going in blind with little protection.
I mean kratos learned from his whole “leaving a world to die” ordeal. I’m sure there were thoughts in him that wanted to, but obviously Atreus would hate leaving his own home, and kratos would be EVEN MORE TORTURED that he let the same thing happen, albeit inadvertently and directly, since he did start the whole thing.
Was thoroughly entertained by this video, these kinds of videos remind me of those old times back when i used to ponder about the assassins creed universe and the whole isu civilization thing, fun stuff. Ofc it all became a mess later.... and hopefully gow doesn't go down the same route. Now the interesting bit for me here is the parallel you draw between the gods being mean spirited and sharing a connection with that higher entity (sorry forgot the name) who opposes the god of gods that stands for truth and enlightenment. Imagine the next gow game takes a much theologically deeper approach wherein even if they don't explore this whole co-existence of mythologies they atleast write one banger finale story for kratos wherein he must redefine godhood. I personally feel this way gow can have a core theme whilst also touching on the co-existence aspects. I wish i could talk about this in great length with you chronicler, just a personal idea for next gow story that i wanted to share with you and now this video of yours makes it a little more plausible. Good video❤
Appreciate the support! Yeah, I don’t know if we’ll ever get to the definitive “finale” of the series, there are plenty of mythologies to explore on their own before we mush them together in a larger plot. But I’d love to hear your thoughts on that!
In the world of God of War, in my opinion, there is a barrier that is invisible but can be penetrated by Kratos himself because he has slaughtered many Greek gods and goddesses. Maybe: Greek. Borders with the gods of Norse mythology, Slavic mythology, Egyptian mythology and Mesopotemic mythology as well as Persia and Persia borders on Hindu mythology. China Japanese mythology Korean mythology
The creators wouldn't do current religions, only old mythologies. It would be risky to include people like Jesus as it may be considered offensive if they portray him wrong.
@@Dutch_Vander_Linde_ You do realize someone is offended by everything right? I mean, there's literally a religion where creating imagined universes is blasphemous because they believe people aren't allowed to create. If we were to not create because someone would be offended, we would create nothing at all. Let the people be offended by Kratos punching Jesus in the head, I don't care and you should'nt either
@@webpombo7765 You also do realize that there are 2 billion Christians right? Way more people than whatever you are talking about. Making a Christian GOW game could alienate 1/4 of the global population. You would be a terrible business owner.
@@Dutch_Vander_Linde_ That also assumes all 2 billion of them will boycott the game completely, many of those 2 billion already are not interested in God of War, and out of those who are, it is not guaranteed that all of them will be unwilling to purchase the new games. In the grand scheme of things, you probably wouldn't lose that many players, and on top of that, they'd still profit, would they lose some money? Maybe, but not enough to bankrupt them. Plus, art above profit.
I've always imagined in the context of Christianity that it might be closer to a mix of modern Abrahamic faiths and the Canaanite pantheon from which the Christian God (Yahweh) originates. Yahweh is the lone ruler of the realm of Israel but may reside in the greater realm of the Levant, possibly under the reign of the father of gods, El. Either that or Yahweh is El since the distinction between the two blurred as Judaism grew. Eventually, the rest of the pantheon fell into obscurity or were relegated to demons/lesser or false gods in the Abrahamic faiths. I would love to see them explore that pantheon, especially since many people are entirely ignorant of how the Abrahamic God came to exist. However, I think I'd love more to see them explore the pantheons of Polynesia and see how they weave together these countless interpretations of figures like Tāne, Tū, Taŋaloa, Loŋo, Māui, Tuna, or Sina, as well as show off individuals unique to certain cultures (like Pele, Makemake, Tāwhirimātea, or Mafuiʻe.)
Tbh sanatan (Hindu)mythology would lend it self very well in connecting all these "worlds". There is a concept of maya (loosely translated to illusion), Brahma (a primordial space thingy, male entitiy) and shakti (literally energy or power, a feminine entity)
I had my own (fanfiction) version, trying to make the deaths a part of it, as well as if this current version isn't close to the myth don't worry. In the beginning there was Chaos, and Chaos remains. Chaos destroys and creates, everything repeatedly, even time. The creation myths are the Gods capturing and reigning in Chaos, the Norse called it Yimir. But the fact that so many pantheons can be created, fight inside of, and reign in their LOCAL chaos just shows how massive it is. The Gods just managed to isolate themselves, kind of. But mortals are created by different gods? That's what the Gods say. But they were created by Chaos as revenge and potential rebirth. Enter Kratos and his blades. Gia was the one that imprisoned it in Greece, and Odin in Norse. The Deaths of Kratos would then be cycled in as just how vast this universe/multiverse is connected. In this version Mimirs well of knowledge (the actual well he used) would actually show the universe/multiverse. Chaos to Kratos would be the ultimate wish granter, but in exchange for never being free.
@KateeAngel Well yeah, but that's been literally all the games so far - they used the rift giving knowledge as a stand in for Odin drinking semen for information for instance
@@KateeAngel damn true that would be a shame. I hope they hire researchers from wherever they plan on making it cause there’s plenty it’s just a matter of how important it is to them and we know corporations cut corners because of greed
I feel like its a retcon because if helios dies nyx would plunge the universe into darkness and if helios was around how did he and Ra control the sun going around? Do they share it from night and day? Because there's two issues. Apothis and nyx who both has plans to decend the universe into darkness.
Yeah. That happens in series like this constantly and people always forget about it. When writing the hobbit Tolkien had no idea bilbos ring was THE ONE RING. When writing Star Wars George Lucas had no idea boba fett would be such a huge character, big enough to spark its own culture within the series. Same with god of war. They did stuff without realizing they would do more, so had to make changes that still fit in the context of both games.
I agree with everything Except I do believe that each region has its own earth. Basically there HAS to be a Greek earth separated from the Norse earth Because in earth the world is clearly flat, which is not the case in Scandinavia. You can see multiple representation of the realms as clear globes. And in vanaheim when skoll and Hati chase the sun and moon, it’s clearly a globe because of the way the two wolves go around it So each region ( China Egypt Scandinavia etc) must have their own cosmos, with a sun moon, a version of earth compatible to how earth is described in the local mythology. So basically it’s not a multiverse, it’s just something weirder but not a multiverse
I considered that as well, but this idea is really broken by Cory’s “Midgard = Scandinavia” comment. If each mythology had a whole earth, Midgard would be the whole planet (like the myths), not just Scandinavia.
@@MidChronicler Cory's comment could simply be talking about the area we explore in the game. And he also says right after it that each pantheon has domain over a universe, which is honestly consistent with how their shown, the Nine realms existing on different planes of existence on the Yggdrasil's branches said Yggdrasil is contained in the realm between them which contains stars and galaxies that are real as confirmed by Matt with it's branches stretching out to infinity, the Primordials Creating galaxies and stars with even Ares doing a similar feat in god of war 1 and things like the underworld being stated to be infinite all the way back in the visions of Greece video of gow1. From how their portrayed and Cory confirming it, it's probably multiverse bs.
To me the way it is, they have the power in that land and area, each one has no clue of the other, so there’s no problems, or the green portal thing in odins basement also acts as barriers to the other mythologies By the way this is me at 1:11
I think it depends on which God you're dealing with. Odin and the aesir clearly knew about other mythologies. However, the aesir seem to be weaker than other Pantheons so if Odin was planning anything I'm sure it was a long game, probably including the mask. The Greek gods probably could have known about other mythologies if they cared to, but I think they were too arrogant to put much stock into it. Then you have Egyptian gods which in general seem to be less about power and more about peace and balance in their world so if they know they probably care about defending their world first.
@@stevenceja4706 definitely interesting, if the Egyptians are about peace,Greeks power, Norse would be intellect/wisdom I’m assuming, then what could/would the Shinto/Japan region be?, it’s definitely the most forgotten since a lot of people are talking about Egyptian mythology for the next game, me personally I think they might give the Shinto area to Atreus for a game or make it a mainly Atreus centered game as Kratos I don’t think works with a katana, but Atreus with a katana (if he gets a new weapon like Kratos) and his bow?, that’s just almost perfect and is like a samurai Atreus type thing
Didn't santa monica (or some dev) actually told us that jesus is canon? If he really is then doesn't it mean that a mythology can overwrite or conquer another one? Maybe by waging war or... a change of faith in the people of said mythology?
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What's that mean
@@ViPRedPilledi think its in reference to the phrase tomato tomahto or it's just random idk I'm dumb 🤷🤷
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I always believed that the pantheons are indeed powerful but the influence only affects those lands who worship them.
So the powers Kratos gained are as useful as an xbox disc in a ps console
Eeeeh not too sure. Since magic is a common theme in all the mythologies. He could probably manifest *similar* powers.@@1mHim05
@@1mHim05yeah pretty much.
yes so would you the greek apocalypse only affect that general area ??
That's what I always assumed in GOW universe@@ngin98
So basically, they are technically on the same planet, but each section of the planet is home to its own dimension each housing the different mythologies with their own rules for how the world works
yup u can say they're divided like contents and states
And the gods power is limited to that swction of the earth, similarly to how a politician power is limited to the territory of his nation, that way Helios controls how the sun interacta with the Greece world and Ra controla how it interacta with the Egyptian world
@@sumairshirazi I think you mean continents.
@@Thewolfartist24 yes continents
@@rgama1173so basically in a simplified way Christianity is the america of this world
Imagine if the head gods had all met before to designate their territories and now that Zeus and Odin are dead, the other pantheons have an emergency meeting of what to do with Kratos
Well, Greece is uninhabitable unless if the transition to the Roman Empire saved it since there’s new gods to take the Greek gods places and control the hell that kratos left behind and Norway has been taken over by kratos. I can see the next pantheon having a hard time thinking he’s a good guy now since he just destroyed his home and took over another pantheon. Now that I think of it, kratos finding out the Roman gods essentially saved Greece (but act the same cuz it’s just a copy paste irl) and possibly returning just to see how it’s changed only to find out the people still haven’t forgotten the ghost of Sparta now that he’s a boogeyman that their home would make a pretty cool comic
@@ereleonimagine when Atreus and Kratos goes to Egypt the Egyptian god panic and brings Zeus back from the dead bro imagine Zeus spending time with his grandson while his son looking ways to kill him without Atreus seeing
@@Dookieman1975 it’d be cool if the gods that died and were reborn like Jupiter/Zeus and Mercury/Hermes doesn’t recognize him but the gods that survived like Diana/Artemis and Bacchus/Dionysus freak out when they see him and start hurling spears at him before he can get a word in and when they’re convinced he’s not a threat they tell him to gtfo before he kills any more gods
@@oilybat3269 That does sound cool.
@@ereleonthat would be cool to have kratos in Rome though.
I spoke to Cory Barlog back at the New York Game Awards 2019 about why the other Gods don't visit or go to other realms like Kratos. This was before Ragnarok's release. He told me that the Gods are all aware of one another but have an unspoken agreement to never invade or trespass on the other's realms. Doing so marks that God who invades another realm for immediate death. But rules can be broken.
I guess Tyr must've notified or asked for permission from other pantheons if he went traveling
@@thatonerotom8999 Or maybe he made sure no one knew he was there. Kratos remained unnoticed for a long time even without Faye's magic.
It's not that the gods of other pantheons can't visit other lands, the unspoken agreement must be that the pantheons can't invade each other and take their territories.
This treaty is only intended in the grand scheme of things, it could not apply to Kratos because he was a wandering deity, without subjects or domains to defend. That was until he decided to become the god of war of the nordic lands, and acquired the responsibility of resolving conflicts and enforcing the laws of war when they are inevitable
For this reason, I believe that Kratos will no longer cause any more problems to other mythologies: not only is he busy with his duties in the Nordic lands, his actions would also speak on behalf of the other Norse gods (it would not be a nice scenario if the Japanese, Mayan and Egyptians gods are forced to invade Scandinavia because Kratos goes and destroys the competition)
In the novel adaption of the first game, Ares doesn't care for that unspoken agreement as he goes to Egypt and attacks their civilization as a means to taunt Zeus. Would assume some of the gods must’ve been pleased to hear Kratos ended him and took his position.
I think that’s a lazy explanation… in what world are you telling me Zeus and Odin follow rules 😂😂😂
The director already explained that each mythology is like going to another galaxy. I guess in our world it would be like going state to state
And he also said that they all exist on the same Earth. And he literally showed tweets where the devs said they are on same Earth. There is more evidence pointing to one Earth than multiple dimensions.
@@Stana999 exactly, why I said its like driving state to state vs dimensions
@@PrimordialChaos1oh I thought you meant like a completely different Earth.
@@Stana999 oh nah more like a road trip 😂
honestly, this is a gross oversimplification and adds nothing helpful to the lore or the fanbase 🙏
Devs basically explained that each land that worships a separate pantheon is basically an alternate dimension. That's like me having to hop dimensions to travel from Texas to New York.
Not really though because you can travel to one pantheon’s land to another by normal means, (such as a boat) so it’d be more like you getting on a boat and going from China to Australia.
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Tyr needed the Unity Stone to travel to other mythological realms, so he didn't travel by conventional means. Another issue with this is the fact that each mythology has their own universal creation events that are considered canon, even the developers say it's all valid. Cory Barlog has even corroborated that they are separated by dimension and has even acknowledged that the universes that were created are in his mind "referring to the universes that they themselves have dominion over," he also went on to say "the greater "actual" universe has yet to be explored," pretty much saying that anything outside of those alternate dimensions with their own unique cosmos hasn't been explored yet. He also said that in each geographical region on Earth "there exists a version of the universe with it's dimensions and Earth as inspired by the prevalent mythology and local belief system," so each mythology exists in its own dimension inspired by the real world cultures of that real world region. In closing, them existing in different dimensions makes sense, especially since they all have unique universe creations that are all valid to God of War's lore and are totally separate from each other.
@@ThePanther97I have to agree with your notion here. Would you happen to have a link for the source to the ladder half of Cory’s quotes??
@@ThePanther97 Would you happen to have a link? I agree, but I'd like to see myself
@@ThePanther97 I'm all ears.
I thought this was explained at the beginning of God od War: Ascension. The primordials, beings that predate the universe, fought endlessly until their fighting spawned creation. All creation stories in this universe reference that event, hence why both Gaia and Surtr remember the creation of Earth. This is even somewhat confirmed in GoW:R when Surtr says the Blades of Chaos have power and it is irrelevant what lands they're from, because they contain Primordial fire.
The Norse realm has a separate creation story though, ymir is the first being in the norse.Norse. Gaia is responsible for the creation of the earth so of course she remembers. Surtr remembers because he existed after the first 2 realms were created (muspelheim and helheim) and was around to know about Odin killing ymir and making midgard.
These two stories do not coexist in the same world.
@@bigbosss7911 I'm saying they both remember the creation of the world because they were both spawned out of the fighting of the cosmic primordials BEFORE the creation of the world, just in different areas. These primordials don't exist in the Greek creation story either, Chaos was their version of Ymir.
Exactly due to each Pantheons is actually their own reality
@@kuroto7773nah
@@soloelqueobserva3312 nah
I’m fairly certain Cory Barlog explained it in a sense that the mythologies exist within their own geographical areas but within then they have their version of the world and cosmology.
Essentially like pocket dimension or universes inside of a multi verse. It’s also become apparent that some pantheon are aware of the other pantheons; more than likely acknowledging the info given to us by Cory himself.
Cory Barlog himself on the matter;
“The ‘actual’ god of war earths geography is the same as our real earths. The only difference between the two is that within each geographical region, there exists a version of the universe with its dimensions and earth as inspired by the prevalent mythology and local belief system of people living in that particular region”
This makes the most sense to me. The issue with the theory of "all pantheons exist on the same planet and can simply be walked to" is the existence of stuff like sun gods. No matter what landmass you're on, there's only one sun, so there can't be more than one sun god governing the same body. There aren't multiple suns, nor does the sun switch over to a new one when you walk next door to another country with another pantheon.
Each pantheon's territory acting as a sort of pocket dimension with its own cosmology fixes the issue and makes it work.
Maybe beyond the Rift is the Lovecraftian plane of existence. If the creators said that space has not been explored yet, that means we'll be headed into Elder God territory like Azathoth. Imagine Kratos or Atreus battling Cthulhu with other pantheons helping out.
Gos of war goes full SMITE
So Gnostic Christianity
Considering the Lovecraftian elder entities have more power than the gods of mythologies of all cultures within the Lovecraftian myth, that would simply mean that within the God Of War Universe, the Elder gods > All other gods (but again we have to take in theorised consideration that the Lovecraftian myth is real)
@@oxwinienoname6052 that asuming the lovecraftian gods are THAT powerful, lovecraft was quite vague in that regard and azathot could perfectly be no more powerful than zeus...
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The developers talked about it, and Kratos even got asked about it by Mimir and Freya in Ragnarok, they asked if he could summon any of his old powers, he said he tried, and Freya said perhaps your powers disappeared along with the destruction of the land, so even with that detail in the game we can conclude that mythologies our region specific
I think he didn't lost all his powers, contrary case he would not made it alive from fight baldur.
The whole thing about Kratos' godly powers is a pretty interesting element of this whole theory.
IF it's true that godly powers only go so far as the barriers of the realm, then the games contradict this. Tyr went to other realms using magical items of his own land, becoming a figure of worship in other pantheons (this is true in the real world, where the god Tyr in fact is seen as a common element in many pantheons. Some theories even suggesting that the name Tyr and the title "Deus", along with "theos", stem from the same root, meaning that "Tyr" might just be the original head-god of tribal religions. Just a thought.)
So if Tyr managed to do that, then it's clear that both magical items and the power to BE a god and have godly powers are NOT in fact limited to their respective realms of origin.
It's possible that the powers GIFTED to Kratos by the gods, as his lesser powers, are what dissapeared over time. This begs the question, however, WHERE are his other weapons?
The blades of chaos were specifically gifted to him by Ares and were in fact replaced over time by Athena. Yet we see the blades of chaos arrive in their original form in Midgard. HOWEVER, the markings on the blades of chaos are notably different from their original markings, matching the midgardian themes.
We also know that Kratos maintained and kept what made him a god in the first place. The god of strength. He BECAME the god of war later on, and that might be the title the developers officially went with, but his ORIGINAL powers are very clearly that of massive and perhaps even unlimited strength, capped only by Kratos' willpower. (though this latter part is yet to be confirmed. However, it seems to be consistent with the feats he is shown to be capable of. During battle he struggles against minor mobs but at the same time he can LIFT A WHOLE TEMPLE if he really tries hard enough.)
So this might lead us to a secondary hypothesis.
There might just be a "grand plan", in which Kratos is involved. The Norns indicate that Kratos "follows his nature" and that this leads him to the conclusion he was written for, a conclusion that wasn't made by the gods themselves in their respective realms, as Odin knows nothing of it and is in fact trying to prevent his own prophecy from coming to a conclusion. Kratos seems to act as the resident "godkiller", cleaning up two seperate pantheons for differing reasons.
With the revelation of the rift and the revelation that gods KEEP some of their traits between worlds, despite other powers dissapearing, it might just be that
A) Gods have a source of primal power and gifts that they harness and get to keep regardless of the realm they visit or destroy
B) Kratos and possibly Tyr are UNIQUE in that they are the ones that can do the above, for a reason as of yet unexplained and perhaps for a plan that the gods themselves know nothing of.
Alternatively, it might be that Tyr kept his powers and magical items because midgard was never destroyed. However, this does not explain why Kratos kept his or kept the blades of chaos (while seemingly other items were destroyed, though this may have had a different cause. It seems all his items were destroyed in the clash with Zeus, and the blade of olympus was simply left behind. With only his current version of the blades of chaos remaining. But then that begs the question again: why did only the blades remain?
It's possible that what has been eluded to in Ragnarok makes the blades of chaos unique, regardless of whether the greek gods knew about it or not. The blades possess a "primordial flame" that was not created by the gods of the greek pantheon themselves. Perhaps that is what spared the blades from destruction, unlike the other items and powers.
In truth, lots of questions remain, perhaps with no real answers to ever be given.
@@RedFloyd469 other element that support this: the persian king kratos fought was able of use the magic of a djinn
@@zanir2387Baldur is nothing lol, he's just immortal, nothing else.
@@RedFloyd469it was Primordial Flames, which exist in all realms, that let Blades of Chaos keeps it power despite it being Greek in origin so no, there's no contradiction there.
14:55 I watched till the very end. Appreciate the video. I didn't see many people talk about how the the gods in this game are hardly gods. I like that you mentioned it.
It probably went like this,
"We call dips on greece, you vikings get the cold parts and mummies get sand"
Zeus be like
This was great and my understanding of how the worlds worked was essentially this. This is also why I believe Atreus will cross the mythology barrier to Celtic mythology for the DLC and learn of the different mythos working around that area that were essentially what was leftover after the Fall of Rome. That is also how I believe Mimir knows about Kratos as the Ghost of Sparta. Because the Celtic Gods knew of the Romans and the Romans knew of the Greeks.
I theorise that the Roman gods will be a reincarnation of the Greek gods based on the last surviving Greek civilians who touch the blade of Olympus becoming, Jupiter (the new Zeus), Mercury (the new hades) and Neptune (the new Poseidon) with these gods creating the Roman mythology and being more righteous and less corrupt versions of the olympians. So perhaps if and when Kratos returns to Greece he will be greeted by 3 peaceful Roman gods? Your t is also very plausible
Kratos broke the barrier when he moved from Greece to Norway and as well to Egypt already in the comics . But i get your point Atreus will make it like his travelling from midgard to Helheim.
@@altair227 not Helheim but Jotunheim and Midgard
@@andray310 same point different realm.
@@noahsibahi-jackson8757 Mercury is Hermes; Venus is Afrodite; Mars is Ares; Jupiter is Zeus; Saturn is Cronos; Uranus is not assigned; Neptune is Poseidon; Pluto is Hades
Headcanon of mine is that the primordeal realms across all mythologies are connected. That when you go far enough in Muspelheim, you'll eventually end up in Tartaros.
Exactly! That's what I think too, we don't explore much of any of the realms, due to gameplay realms.
The only issue with this theory the gods never would seem content with ruling what ever they rule. Unless there is some force keeping them tied to their lands. It would make more sense that they all overlap somehow but exist separately.
Zeus nor Odin from what we see could ever co-exist. The know each other is there but the Aseir are fighters and would likely go to war to the Greek gods just because especially with Odins thirst for knowledge.
The type-moon/Nasuverse explains that different mythologies and pantheons exist and are separated by what are known as “textures” which works similar to how you describe different mythologies coexisting
Didn't Cory Barloc already explain in an interview that the various mythologies where like it's own galaxy? Existing in the same universe but seperated by distance? To some extend it is similar to how the Nine Realms are portrayed in these games. All conneted but spacially seperate.
They are also separated temporally but exist in a mystical way and in this case geographic region does not mean continent or countries but rather a dimension or reality.
I thought he meant that the nine relams where different planets connected by the world tree
@@xptaco2298no
@Kratos_god_ofno_war no because in the lores kratos arrives in Midgard by Boat not time travel
@@christianhenry4173he arrives by skoll and hati, not by boat, he stumbled upon egypt once greece died.
Kratos meeting Jesus and getting forgiven for his sins would go crazy
That's so fucking funny
Unfortunately m8 God of War only tracks polytheistic mythologies but we might see Hindu gods👀
devs did say Christianity exists in gow@@dangerouslypink2394
@@dangerouslypink2394Actually I don't think they are going to use any religion that is still practiced today.
Maybe something like japanese shinto stuff, it's not practiced/lived in a way like hinduism. It's kinda strange/intertwined with buddhism tho.
But still don't believe they'll use it.
Maybe egypt tho
They won’t do it because people will be butthurt
I've always loved settings where multiple pantheons exist and all of their gods/afterlives are actually real. Wish there were more real world inspired settings were every religion, mythical creature and legend are based on fact. It would be amazing going on an adventure were you start off fighting werewolves/vampires/fairy and by the end of it you're fighting Oni and Chinese demons.
The way that various pantheons seem to coexist in the world makes me think that the gods are in fact an ancient civilization predating humanity. That all we know of them are from myths and legends.
Literally every Neil Gaiman book
@@michaelblower7363which are still gods
Age of mythology also have the same treatment as God of War. You can play as Egyptians fighting the Norse with their own god powers and myth unit too!
@michaelblower7363 Assassin's Creed attempted this with the Isu. An ancient civilization of which many mythological figures were part of. Even ones like Adam and Eve.
I like to think the domains each pantheon governs is like a bubble that sit against each other, each with their own creation myth that allowed each domain to form independantly
This was well assembled, being extremely thorough. Nice work
How does each God of War co-exist with others of the mythology? Simple:
Olympian: "You stay over there in the sands, and I'll stay over here."
Egyptian: "And you keep to your mountain, and I'll stand my ground here with the sun."
Norse: "I won't mess with either of yall unless you come here to start something."
Kratos: "Leave...My...Home!"
Classic Marvel Comics had over 20 pantheons in the same universe- with a pretty good explanation for this too
How is it explained in the Comics? I have just watched the MCU shows and movies, and gets a bit confused with the differences of Gods, God, and Gods-who-really-are-just-aliens in that universe
@@norse_wolf5614the ladder part was only in Earth X, a non canon comic series where everyone is old
@@norse_wolf5614 it would take all day to properly explain. But the short version is- the death of the Elder Gods left the godly energy of creation forming pocket dimensions all over earth- the early collective mind of man eventually gave form to the godly energy- with each region seeing their Gods in their image and vice versa.
That has to be real weird when u realize there is the one above all who is the creator of the marvel multiverse lol
I always thought that the pantheons of Marvel are not real gods. They're just incredible strong ageless species who happen to have lesser species worship them. Odin says "we are not gods, never were", in the MCU anyway.
Theres even a dialog between mimir and kratos, asking of the many different powers of his land, and he says he himself used to wield it, but no more even if he tries, which atreus complements saying that Freya told him that the magic is bound to thr land, and as it dies (or you leave it as well i believe) you lose it's power
The best way to think of this concept is like an empire in ancient times: More specifically, the capital city from which that empire spawned (in this case we can compare it to any pantheon). For this example, let's use Rome (how original). The capital city of Rome, for a time, was the city of Rome itself (although it was still considered to be the capital at least in spirit during the years of the late empire and after the split), and like other states at the time, the actual concept of a modern border was not a thing.
Instead, empires and other states, even tribes and confederations all had a stretch of land that belonged to nobody. This is obviously a "No Man's Land" deal. Now, as for the empire or city state, or whatever we use as an example, as I said in this case, Rome, it is the capital city of the state itself which holds influence over the many swathes of land it has expanded to. However, this is not always shown on a map. Instead, most areas are colored or filled in as the color that represents the state itself.
In this case, we may look at whatever region tends to be mountainous and has a historical record of having mountain tribes: Sardinia's interior, and Isauria in Asia Minor (mod. day Turkiye). Some regions are difficult to influence and claim due to a plethora of factors, one is most predominantly geographical. If a state attempts to project influence into a mountainous region (at least during the times of Antiquity), it will be met with a great pushback. Rome had built forts inland on the island of Sardinia in such a way that the mountainous interior was encircled. The region of Isauria was not even fully conquered in the 500's AD.
Let us also look at the Zagros Mountains that contain Iran. Historically, the Iranian empires have dwindled in size, progressively over time, due to a number of outside factors, but also in part, due to the geography. Even today, mountainous terrain is both a boon and a weakness.
So, let's go back to a specific state, or region's, pantheon. The pantheon may have, in some cases, as much power and projection as the state it is home to, or in other words, may be locked similarly by the state's geography. In other cases, for pilgrims or settlers of peoples who come from foreign lands and partake in foreign faiths, they may bring their home's influence with them in some way, shape, or form, whether it be their culture, religion, etc. In some cases, a newer faith, or older faith may come to supersede another faith in some region.
In short, a pantheon's influence only expands to the limits of how far its followers venture. But it may be limited to specifically the people who follow said pantheon. If there is a man of the Hellenic faith in mod. day Norway, then his pantheon may perhaps hold dominion over him, although he is now within the limits of a new pantheon, one foreign to him. But because the Norse pantheon, in this case finds this man within its domain, its realm, and perhaps point of origin, this pantheon's influence would be vastly greater than the Hellenic one, therefore this man who hails from Greece may now be under Norse jurisdiction.
I'd imagine, that because each pantheon holds dominion over specific regions of the world (and while syncretism is a thing and could cause some pantheons to "bleed together" somewhat), I'd imagine there is a stretch of "No Man's Land" in which no influence exists, much like that of an old state.
shit
The game Fate/Grand Order introduced this concept called "Textures", which in a nutshell are the planet being divided into different zones with different metaphysical laws as enforced by powerful beings such as gods. In Sumeria you could just dig to the underworld for example, which wasn't possible in more modern eras. After GoW 4's revelations, I sort of assumed something similar was going on here too.
I knew someone would comment on this.
I concur as well.
Well when Helios died the sun didn’t actually disappear, it was just covered up storm clouds
I was just about to say that
But when he was kidnapped the sun went down in Chains of Olympus
@@real_Hamiltonthe sun went down when Helios was captured in chains of Olympus
Prob multiple suns tho cuz the sun in Egyptian mythology is just Ra’s boat
@Dookieman1975
Also, Aztec mythology has six suns.
11:10 You talking about this being the bane of your existence while showing a panel of Kratos seething like a wojack was peak timing
easiest way to get explain this in my mind, is it's an entire galaxy with separate planets that have separate inhabitants and creators, but all of those planets are on one globe
Polynesian mythology would be pretty sick. The main creator God Tagaloa is legit just a cool guy who wanted to see stuff exist. Pele the Volcano Goddess would be a killer boss fight, and Maui would be fun to challenge to a hunt or something.
Yes it would be but it seems the creator wants egypt mayan Japanese celtic or revisiting greek mythos.
lol its trash
@@voidpasklfd1yes haha
sounds more boring than what we got with god 2018
Racist @@voidpasklfd1
One of the things I love about the Dresden Files is Jim Butcher's ability to interweave the dichotomy of various religious dogma and mythology together. Neil Gaiman does this rather well too with the American Gods books, though his method is a bit different.
In Titan Quest there is also a mythology crossover. First act is Greek mythology, second act is Egyptian mythology, third act is Babylonian and Chinese mythologies and fourth act is back to Greek mythology
I watched up to the end and even gave the video a like. It was interesting, thanks for the content
''and why is there a giant cow *just there* ''
Well, why *wouldn't* there be a giant cow just there?
Tomato. I think the reason that all the mythology’s have similarities is maybe a war. All the pantheons fight to rule the whole world. The wars end in a stalemate and the gods all agree to set boundaries. They trade ideas like humans, trees, agriculture, the sun, the moon, etc. To explain the higher existence maybe instead of a stalemate one pantheon won and decided to take over the galaxy, choosing only the strongest of the gods to leave Earth and join them in their galactic conquest. Any event on Earth is a challenge to see who is worthy of joining the greatest pantheon. This would open a huge door for Kratos to be invited to this great pantheon and end up destroying it after discovering how terrible its gods are.
That cow joke was absolute cinema
They're basically like different kingdoms. Each Kingdom has power only over their own lands and become powerless when they're outside. The Gods probably only retain their natural strength, experience, intellect and weapons outside their "kingdoms". How Kratos lost most of his Greek abilities but was still capable of killing Norse gods and could use his blades of chaos.
Nah the Gods didnt loose their power just by going into another Pantheon,per Ragnarok, it explain that Magics is a fundamental aspect that already exist before the Creation of each Pantheons main reality thus part of *Primordial stuff* and is the very make up of Realms, Kratos lost all his powers because Greek Pantheon are no more (but Kratos still able to regain his original strength and Blade of Chaos along side a sliver portion of Hope inside him)
'yeah'. get it.
some pre-UN era Human kingdoms-like....well, kings/kingdoms in other words.
My theory is
That when kratos left the Greek region there was a invisible portal that took him to another dimension and the gods know each other because they can travel between dimensions anytime they want but their godly powers will be affected in their own dimension
@@Ivarr-vt2ndKratos is a god not of the realms but a god nonetheless
Tyr has also travelled and seen various pantheons.
@@Ivarr-vt2nd yes please
@@Ivarr-vt2nd?????
Kratos travelling through a wormhole (or a portal) makes complete sense to me.
It's hilarious that there are so many all powerful Gods and Goddesses coexissting within the GoW universe. And yet within all of creation, the universe and far beyond it, they all choose to hang out on the exact same small planet and split it via countries. Unless there are other mytholgies on other planets
God Politics next God of war game we gonna get the gods meeting up in a Senate building
@@captaindiscount6316With the writers development for Kratos, it’d be fitting if he became a godly politician essentially but also oof cuz he murdered two pantheons.😂 The other gods meet up and the topic is “How we gone deal with this god of war that’s murdering us off??”
@@captaindiscount6316 God Senate?
@@ArtryomKratos then manage to pull a Palpatine.
I’m really confused on why he’s like talking backwards.
“Years and even months”
“Hundreds or even dozens”
“Answers to all if not some”
This dude is clearly an idiot of the first magnitude. A Stunad
😂😂😂Exactly the comment I’ve been looking for since 0:06
For fucking real
he accidently flipped his script around
War of gods
Its basically like each realm/country are like pieces if a puzzle the way Mimir describes "Going north" implies he and Kratos both traveled on foot to the Norse realm
It was explained in Ragnarok. Pantheons are separated geographically. They confirmed he travelled from Greece, to Egypt, then north
Honestly, I have always imagined a medium in which every mythology coexists. I imagined a hypothetical clash between Thor, who survived Ragnarok and travels the world in search of adventure, and Sun Wukong, ending in a huge amount of very spectacular beatings.
There is a lot of media that does this. Age of Mythology, various stories from comic author Neil Gaiman, Records of Ragnarok, even Assassin's Creed. And plenty more. I love the concept.
Thor is the face or Norse Pantheon warrior under his father, a good counterpart in Chinese Mythology would be Erlang Shen, since he's basically serve the same role.
And then they meet Jesus. Who beats the snot out of them. /thread
@@IAmAlpharius20 You are not a real Christian if you think Jesus resort in violence.
In your arrogance, illusion of power over others. You blind your way, against the way and teaching of the lord you swore to serve. You've become sinned.
if you basically ask the same set of questions for our world and our religions then realization should kick in.
Fascinating stuff
I also think that the different creation myths could all just be retellings of the same event from different point of views - e.g. just like the Bible and the Epic of Gilgamesh both refer to a great deluge.
I JUST started playing it recently. The idea of the universe being more than just one kind of mythology blew my mind and i tried to rationalize it. I truly want to know and understand what is going on because it doesn't make sense to me but luckily this video exist
I think each mythology is more like equivalent to a different planet than a different country both in size and the difference in rules, also interesting to note that the only way anyone has ever went to a different mythology is through water so maybe that has something to do with life starting from water and water being like an infinite void of chaos
On the mask, it has egyptian hieroglyphs, greek Japanese and old norse runes, there were four symbols in tyrs vault that were symbols for war in those corresponding cultures.
FYI. In Chinese mythology there is a God of Gods, we refers to it refereed as "Shangdi (上帝)" which mean the "Lord Above" or Tian (天) which means the Heaven. The Lord Above is an omniscient and omnipotent force that transcends Existence as opposed to "Shen (神)" which mean gods like Zeus or Osiris.
Shangdi actually is derived from the hindu scriptures as per chinese twxts so shiva
Yahweh also has no sense of being bound by time or space. It's written HE IS THE BEGINNING AND THE END. Not that he was in the beginning which alludes to creation. He always WAS. It is written in the Bible, beside him there is no other God. In Jeremiah 10"11: “Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’ ”
0:12 I know this is me being a 🤓 but technically multiple mythologies co-existing has been a thing in this series since the very first game, since you can see Egyptian hieroglyphs in Athens.
Which confirms that multiple mythologies co-existing on the same globe was never a retcon made by later games, but it was, in fact, intended when the first game was being developed.
@@gowautist not to be a 🤓 back at you, but I think there is a distinction between mythologies and mortal world. Gow1 shows hieroglyphs, which confirmed Egypt the PLACE exists, but not Egyptian gods. For what we knew, they could be praying to Greek gods in Egypt too. But the Kraken is a definitive Norse mythological creature. And the Persian King set it in stone.
Like I said in the video, I believe the Roman gods don’t exist in gow. That doesn’t mean the Roman EMPIRE and real world history don’t exist, they’re just “covered” by the Greek gods.
that shit confirms nothing, it could happen to be a minor easter egg or egyptians traveling to the greek universe at one point it can mean a lot o things@@gowautist
roman and greek gods are the same the fuck you talking about@@MidChronicler
Not to be a 🍆 but shut up let them cook @dolphin-studio
I watched to the end, and I gotta say it was pretty interesting, the question of all the mythologies in God of War Co-existing has always pondered in my head since God of War 2018, this video has answered a few questions for me
A lot of this matches up pretty well with what I was imagining in my mind as well. Maybe not the parts about each mythology zone having their own sun/moon/etc, but I was approaching the GoW universe with the idea that the mythologies were kind of like empires with their own distinct boundaries. I felt like Ragnarok kind of helped put the concept of "different realms" to bed with various Tyr artifacts being referenced as having come from the south or the west, etc. I do think there might, to a SMALL degree, be different realms, but through the various magics at play, the separate realms are only accessible from within specific mythological boundaries. Maybe because that area's type of magic allows it or the connection is simply stronger. So that could explain places like Muspelhiem or Nilfhiem.
One concept I hadn't really considered before is that the gods of earth are not really gods, or at least not the Big Gods, and there's another tier of gods that created and maybe control them. That could actually be an interesting concept to wrap up the GoW saga.... the last 1-3 games involve Kratos going to war with the gods that rule over everything.
The thing you mention of a "God of gods' and what not is interesting. The demiurge and Gnosticism would fit well into the mythos of the series honestly. Alternatively, I imagine it could be working on the Hindu type of rules, where there is a prominent force acting in all and yet passive at the same time that represents ultimate truth, Brahma. It is "God" but is as much impersonal as personal. Its why in Hinduism there are Gods, both big G and little g, because for it to act it must take the form of these Gods and in Hinduism depending on who you ask the true face and form of Brahma is one of these Gods like Shiva, Shakti, etc.
A number of these Gods are still part of the reincarnation cycles(in Buddhism, they all are) and thus subject to death and other things still but maybe reborn at a later date or through aid by other Gods(Or a big g god, like VIshnu or Shiva). I know in some games Gods don't die in the traditional sense, and in games I've played like Sacrifice, they can even come back, possibly representing the same forces they did whilst likely under a new ego and identity since a number of gods tend to be that: A force of nature with a soul, a personality.
I tend to roll my eyes at most of such portrayals cause many media like to portray gods as just a super powered human and never really confront the, somewhat, eldritch nature of their being, or assuming that the destruction of such a being will carry no consequences(Though GoW3 did show that Kratos path of revenge was fucking everything up). The Chaos Gods, at least as far as 40k is concerned, note that the Chaos pantheon is a accumulation of all the emotions of the galaxy pooled to create a sentient force of will and destroying them would mean destroying the forces they represent as well.
Just alot of interesting thoughts to be had.
I also dislike how media depicts gods, they are just super humans and nothing else, they don't feel divine or greater, just dudes with powers
@@rgama1173 imagine not liking sigmar as a god from warhammer fantasy, couldn't be me
@sovietunion7643 who dares question my devotion to the man gid Sigmar!
@@rgama1173 Its possibly based on the idea of Gods of ancient lore being actually heroes deified in some way(Course I also heard that, and likely is the true origin of the this idea, that such a thing was done to avoid Christian destruction of pagan materials).
It doesn't help when they want to make them antagonists or, rarely these days, some form of helper/protagonist. Imagine trying to fight something that has no true form, since most forms of these dieties are technically anthros, their forms far beyond human understanding. I think people often fail to understand how, and I'm sure there is a better term than this, "eldritch" Gods can be.
It should be noted when Khrisna showed his true form to Arjuna, there was no better way to describe it than terrifying, as Arjuna begged him to return to humanoid form.
If you go the Gnostic route the head of each Pantheon is one of the Archons that the Demiurge created but there are only 12 of them so how many major mythologies would that cover as some mythology have crossover points with cultures blending.
Considering the gods in god of war are, like, universe level, then the concept of an even greater creator deity that is a god to the gods is terrifying
I bet God would be seen as one of the most powerful deities. Many mythologies have an entire Pantheon devoted to the mansions and deeds that God can accomplish *alone*@sircumsalot3604
@sircumsalot3604 While we'd love it, it'd be way too controversal.
@sircumsalot3604 Im not christian, but that would be dissrespectfull to the religion.
It should really stay within mithology. Involving christianity will open up lore that is 10 times wider than what we have currently.
@sircumsalot3604 Kratos vs Jesus gonna be dope af
@@ElIisL4D2as a Christian I wouldnt mind lmao
At some point they have to answer these questions and your explanation very logical according to the rules of gow world and the information available about it, great video
I love him saying “hundrends or even dozen” instead of reverse
I’d also wonder how this would work for Percy Jackson
Seems pretty much the same way American Gods does it
Basically belief create gods.According to Apollo, in the past, almost every city had their set of gods. But as they were forgotten, most of them dissapear. Some gods survived by joining other pantheons. It's also seems to work by geographic areas. When it comes to the myths of creations, I don't know how it work. Hmans are the one creating gods with their faiths, so the gods shouldn't be able to exist without them, much less to be at the creator of humanity.
It has been many years since I read those books, but iirc Chiron said something along the lines of "there is a difference between *the gods* of the pantheon and capital G 'God' singular, but that's above my paygrade" implying that there was some sort of monotheistic creator above all the pantheons. There was also another passing reference to "Capital G" if I remember right, in the context of not caring who overhears, but again very vague. May be referring to the Abrahamic faith's respective understanding of a single God, or to any other form of monotheism.
Ok I guess but I just wished they tied them together a bit more cohesively. I always liked David Jaffe's take where he says Kratos will engage with each patheon killing everyone eventually making way for Jesus Christ.
Imagine if eventually Kratos became Jesus Christ sacrificing himself to the mortals to cleanse them of their sins... His curse eventually fades, he's no longer an immortal and because he is the son of the king of gods and has followers and as the world begins to unite under Christianity he is able to influence more of the world with his sacrifice... And as he dies on the cross the last power of hope he carried inside himself because he didn't truly die so wouldn't have been able to release it all then... So it showers across the entire planet and everyone is given his final ounces of hope and they end the series...
12:02 🤣🤣 great video Midgard this video was top tier
The primordials such as Ymir, Surtr, Gaia, Uranus, and many more were all part of the same primordial battle, as described in the OG GOW series, and they split their shared their universe and made galaxies that each one rules
I always interpreted the different creation myths as simply starting from different points, but ending up in the same place. All of these Gods and Magic come from their own realms of Chaos, but have all ended up in the "Mortal World", our dimension. Therefore Earth is essentially a collection of different creation events coming together and adding on to the same planet. Like an interdimensional hotspot.
Bro. If the demiurge theory is real we could be getting a fantasy version of Doom Eternal the Ancient Gods. Would like to see Kratos go toe-to-toe with the Dark Lord. Would love to see him meet the Doom Slayer and have a couple beers
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Ptolemy agrees with the beefsteaks 🥶🥶
I find it funny the dev team said the abrahamic gods also exist here too
yahweh next to get that whooping
There’s only one Abrahamic God, The Father, the creator, so “gods” isn’t the right word.
@@ArtryomI wonder if they were trolling then when they said it XD
@@arbalest327Had to be, definitely had to be.
@@Artryom worst part? People make fun of Christianity all the time yet they won't ever touch Islam, hilarious when it comes to a religion people will defend harshly.and won't just get stepped on.
In the Ragnarok, there is a Kratos dialogue that he tried to use his skill from previous game in the norse land and it didnt work, and Atreus said that magic or God Power only affect its primordial land, which means it only affect where those magic are born, like a skill from greek god would only work in greek, and etc.
This makes more sense than the last guys video I watched saying that Athena was the source of the rift and was preventing anyone else from trying to gain the power she discovered so she started the whole ragnarok prophecy to kill Odin and any other gods who attempted to search through the rift. despite the fact at least two gods are going to said place because of her and the selfless acts they did and he claimed she created the mask to manipulate them into enacting her plans? Despite the fact it’s supposedly the only way for them to gain access to the rift. It was just a mess and made me mad by how little the dude thought it out before making an hour long video about it
I feel like the games themselves should do a better job of explaining this this scenario. Your explanation makes sense but I want to hear It confirmed and broke down within the game. Because they seem to be making things up as they go along and contradicting moments.
true it pisses me off ,as a fan of the older games.
Yea they really need to give a definitive answer.
Ah, you're impatient and have never in your life had the attention span for a mystery.
The games are full of contradictions and inconsistencies. And let's not even get into the "novels" that people love to extrapolate
Imagine if Cthulhu Mythos were canon in GOW.
That'd be interesting! It'd also be a total genre switch I'd imagine (action to horror). Might just be me, but I couldn't see Kratos surviving in that mythos.
I think he could take em 😅
They'd have to downplay Lovecraft OR Amp Kratos. Either way, it's not like they won't have Kratos slaughter most of them, considering the beings in Lovecraft are bigger jerks than Zeus
Tyr: 'This one, i got from a carpenter in Galiee.'
*whips out a 2 by 4, a hammer and some nails*
I've always wondered this so really glad to see a video on it. What I want SMS to do is take influence from the Percy Jackson universe cuz several mythologies exist there too. The gods there have knowledge of other pantheons but veer away to avoid disturbance & the power of each pantheon is limited to the land of their influence. Also tomato!
I was always confused on the fact that they seem to exist in America now , with hidden places and mortal memorials being the disguised “magical “version . Like are they still influenced over Europe? And like wtf is in Alaska?
@@melanyguzman9140 The first book describes the gods, the greek ones at least, as "following the flame of western civilization".
I seem to remember corey once telling in an interview that the worlds exist on top of each other and kratos did in fact hop into another dimension/realm when going to midgard and not just traveling a couple thousand km north.
I agree but also Kratos was kidnapped by a mysterious woman with two wolves which is faye with skol and Hati and remember that Tyr teached her the ways of going outside the world tree which is how she met kratos in the novels
That's a great video, makes me wonder what's in the minds of the developers. What could they possibly reveal in the next games or tweets?
We have the real Tyr with us now, and the actor confirmed he’ll be back. He’s the god who traveled all the lands and pantheons, we are almost guaranteed to hear more about how the gow Earth works from him in the next installment.
@@MidChronicler meanwhile, in another (if ever this one franchise were to be crossover'd to that vast one's (for example) anyways).
I assumed the rift in ragnarok was Ymir’s dreams
I’ve always wondered if they occur at “different times”. Essentially, when one pantheon’s rule comes to an end, then Revelations, Ragnarok, etc. happens&then the another one takes over; except since they are all gods&more or else can transcend time&space, they also occur simultaneously.
I have always wondered how these mythologies in these games - as well as Record of Ragnarok - manage to co-exist, and what would happen if they ever visited and caused any destructions in that exact mythology. And, all though not completely, i am kinda satisfied with this result.
Unlike MARVELs direction (haven't read the comics, only seen the MCU) about Egyptian + Greek Gods are indeed Gods, and the Christian gods have been here for some time, and the Norse gods are aliens, and a lot more weird stuff..which, i Guess works, somehow?
I'm not this only has more questions then answers shit ton of things weren't mentioned.
YAHWEH OR JEHOWAH IS SKYFATHER LEVEL IN COMICS WITH OTHER SKY DADDIES
There are no "Christian gods". It's just God. Christianity is monotheistic like Islam and Judaism.
That's exactly what I was looking for! Thanks for the video, helped connect dots in my brain
Great video brother, you explained it all perfectly.
Thanks for the help!
@@MidChronicler cool video, I hope Ainu mythology, Native American myths/legends, Inca mythology, Maya Mythology, Korean mythology, Australian Aboriginal mythology/traditional beliefs, Inuit mythology and African mythologies/religions show up in God of War one day.
This is a fantastic video, man. Good job.
Is Athena from the comic canon, btw? How does she have access to her physical form in the physical world?
And how come she's completely different from GoW3 and 4's Athena?
Thank you, daddy! Fallen God is a major pain in the ass. We have no reason to believe it's not canon, it's the most recent comic we have. But it's so stupid and confusing. Athena's actions and words are nothing like what she did in 3 and 2018. I don't know why they made this at all, it's weird.
@@MidChroniclerProbably better to just take it as non canon then
So we know that gods can cross between godly realms, as Kratos went from the destroyed Greek realm to the Norse realm, but has it actually been confirmed if humans can do that too? If humans can’t then that would give more precedence to all these godly realms coexisting if their subjects (humans) can’t just leave to a different realm as they’re tied to the realm of their creator(s)
Mimir isn't really human but it's implied he's been all over the world collecting knowledge to bring it back.
if cory barlog is the final boss it will be an absolute cinema
If all these worlds exist, why didn't Kratos and Atreus leave the Norse mythology after delivering the Ashes, why stay for Fimblewinter when it was weakening them?
1. Traveling far in Fimblewinter is hard and dangerous. The water be covered in ice. There no where to camp or grather food while Traveling over big ocean of ice water. It will take longer without a ship full of supplies. Remember you have to feed yourself and the wolves pulling your sled.
2. Going to another land and Gods who you don't even know might be worst than the ones you do know. Especially since all magic items will not longer work besides the chaos blades. They be going in blind with little protection.
Well, as weakening as fimblewinter was, it was still loki's home, and all he knew. I doubt he would want to move out.
I mean kratos learned from his whole “leaving a world to die” ordeal. I’m sure there were thoughts in him that wanted to, but obviously Atreus would hate leaving his own home, and kratos would be EVEN MORE TORTURED that he let the same thing happen, albeit inadvertently and directly, since he did start the whole thing.
i like to think that EARTH of the GOW is way bigger than our normal one like 10000x bigger than it may give a good explanation
Was thoroughly entertained by this video, these kinds of videos remind me of those old times back when i used to ponder about the assassins creed universe and the whole isu civilization thing, fun stuff. Ofc it all became a mess later.... and hopefully gow doesn't go down the same route. Now the interesting bit for me here is the parallel you draw between the gods being mean spirited and sharing a connection with that higher entity (sorry forgot the name) who opposes the god of gods that stands for truth and enlightenment. Imagine the next gow game takes a much theologically deeper approach wherein even if they don't explore this whole co-existence of mythologies they atleast write one banger finale story for kratos wherein he must redefine godhood. I personally feel this way gow can have a core theme whilst also touching on the co-existence aspects. I wish i could talk about this in great length with you chronicler, just a personal idea for next gow story that i wanted to share with you and now this video of yours makes it a little more plausible. Good video❤
Appreciate the support! Yeah, I don’t know if we’ll ever get to the definitive “finale” of the series, there are plenty of mythologies to explore on their own before we mush them together in a larger plot. But I’d love to hear your thoughts on that!
@@MidChronicler you have a discord server of your own?
@@laffycade3151 not a server, but I am on discord, it’s just this name, you can add me
Well, I watched up to that point. Good video man 👍
Kratos fighting Satan would be kinda epic
Imagine standing on the line between two mythologies and seeing two suns 😂
that among other reasons is why is get's way to complicated, I can point out at sooo many plotholes if that where to be true.
ngl if this theory is true, there prolly isn’t a middle line
This is fixed just by saying that you're either in the mythology or not, that there's no middle line you can straddle
@@dolphin-studio Except you can't, because pantheons being their own universe (actual universe) is way more inconsistent and brings more plotholes
cant wait for kratos to find jesus
In the world of God of War, in my opinion, there is a barrier that is invisible but can be penetrated by Kratos himself because he has slaughtered many Greek gods and goddesses. Maybe: Greek. Borders with the gods of Norse mythology, Slavic mythology, Egyptian mythology and Mesopotemic mythology as well as Persia and Persia borders on Hindu mythology. China Japanese mythology Korean mythology
The creators wouldn't do current religions, only old mythologies. It would be risky to include people like Jesus as it may be considered offensive if they portray him wrong.
@@Dutch_Vander_Linde_ You do realize someone is offended by everything right? I mean, there's literally a religion where creating imagined universes is blasphemous because they believe people aren't allowed to create. If we were to not create because someone would be offended, we would create nothing at all.
Let the people be offended by Kratos punching Jesus in the head, I don't care and you should'nt either
@@webpombo7765 You also do realize that there are 2 billion Christians right? Way more people than whatever you are talking about. Making a Christian GOW game could alienate 1/4 of the global population.
You would be a terrible business owner.
@@Dutch_Vander_Linde_ That also assumes all 2 billion of them will boycott the game completely, many of those 2 billion already are not interested in God of War, and out of those who are, it is not guaranteed that all of them will be unwilling to purchase the new games.
In the grand scheme of things, you probably wouldn't lose that many players, and on top of that, they'd still profit, would they lose some money? Maybe, but not enough to bankrupt them. Plus, art above profit.
I've always imagined in the context of Christianity that it might be closer to a mix of modern Abrahamic faiths and the Canaanite pantheon from which the Christian God (Yahweh) originates. Yahweh is the lone ruler of the realm of Israel but may reside in the greater realm of the Levant, possibly under the reign of the father of gods, El. Either that or Yahweh is El since the distinction between the two blurred as Judaism grew. Eventually, the rest of the pantheon fell into obscurity or were relegated to demons/lesser or false gods in the Abrahamic faiths.
I would love to see them explore that pantheon, especially since many people are entirely ignorant of how the Abrahamic God came to exist. However, I think I'd love more to see them explore the pantheons of Polynesia and see how they weave together these countless interpretations of figures like Tāne, Tū, Taŋaloa, Loŋo, Māui, Tuna, or Sina, as well as show off individuals unique to certain cultures (like Pele, Makemake, Tāwhirimātea, or Mafuiʻe.)
Tbh sanatan (Hindu)mythology would lend it self very well in connecting all these "worlds". There is a concept of maya (loosely translated to illusion), Brahma (a primordial space thingy, male entitiy) and shakti (literally energy or power, a feminine entity)
Its "Bramh" or "Bramhan" not "Bramha". Both are two different things
@@Lmao69 haha yeah I just saw that I made a typo
I had my own (fanfiction) version, trying to make the deaths a part of it, as well as if this current version isn't close to the myth don't worry.
In the beginning there was Chaos, and Chaos remains.
Chaos destroys and creates, everything repeatedly, even time.
The creation myths are the Gods capturing and reigning in Chaos, the Norse called it Yimir.
But the fact that so many pantheons can be created, fight inside of, and reign in their LOCAL chaos just shows how massive it is.
The Gods just managed to isolate themselves, kind of.
But mortals are created by different gods?
That's what the Gods say.
But they were created by Chaos as revenge and potential rebirth.
Enter Kratos and his blades.
Gia was the one that imprisoned it in Greece, and Odin in Norse.
The Deaths of Kratos would then be cycled in as just how vast this universe/multiverse is connected.
In this version Mimirs well of knowledge (the actual well he used) would actually show the universe/multiverse.
Chaos to Kratos would be the ultimate wish granter, but in exchange for never being free.
Imagine Chaos, Aphosis, Ymir and Mikaboshi are actually the same Entity but different names for their respect mythology.
@@ShamanZ-ji9qu got it in one, but more like pieces of a greater whole
Kratos: this earth ain’t big enough for the 3 of us
Norse and Egyptian Gods:💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Soooo, this implies Paul Bunyan is real, and we could see him and Kratos go Axe to Axe in fight
Yes. Which would be cool AF
I always just chalked it up to the GOW cosmology is a multiverse or possibly a a megaverse and each pantheon just has it own universe or multiverse
that is the most logical reason same earth creates way too many issues , it over complicates things unessesary.
The whole continent of “America” has some cool native mythology and mythical creatures I hope they make a game with it one day 🔥🔥🔥
They'll probably portray it very wrongly and stereotypically, unfortunately, unless the whole team of developers are native
@KateeAngel Well yeah, but that's been literally all the games so far - they used the rift giving knowledge as a stand in for Odin drinking semen for information for instance
@@KateeAngel damn true that would be a shame. I hope they hire researchers from wherever they plan on making it cause there’s plenty it’s just a matter of how important it is to them and we know corporations cut corners because of greed
I feel like its a retcon because if helios dies nyx would plunge the universe into darkness and if helios was around how did he and Ra control the sun going around? Do they share it from night and day? Because there's two issues. Apothis and nyx who both has plans to decend the universe into darkness.
Yeah. That happens in series like this constantly and people always forget about it. When writing the hobbit Tolkien had no idea bilbos ring was THE ONE RING. When writing Star Wars George Lucas had no idea boba fett would be such a huge character, big enough to spark its own culture within the series. Same with god of war. They did stuff without realizing they would do more, so had to make changes that still fit in the context of both games.
Year late here but those of us who grew up reading Riordan already have an idea for how this works. Would recommend 😁
I agree with everything
Except I do believe that each region has its own earth. Basically there HAS to be a Greek earth separated from the Norse earth
Because in earth the world is clearly flat, which is not the case in Scandinavia. You can see multiple representation of the realms as clear globes. And in vanaheim when skoll and Hati chase the sun and moon, it’s clearly a globe because of the way the two wolves go around it
So each region ( China Egypt Scandinavia etc) must have their own cosmos, with a sun moon, a version of earth compatible to how earth is described in the local mythology.
So basically it’s not a multiverse, it’s just something weirder but not a multiverse
I considered that as well, but this idea is really broken by Cory’s “Midgard = Scandinavia” comment. If each mythology had a whole earth, Midgard would be the whole planet (like the myths), not just Scandinavia.
Developers conformed that the Greek gods replaced the Primordials
@@MidChronicler Cory's comment could simply be talking about the area we explore in the game.
And he also says right after it that each pantheon has domain over a universe, which is honestly consistent with how their shown, the Nine realms existing on different planes of existence on the Yggdrasil's branches said Yggdrasil is contained in the realm between them which contains stars and galaxies that are real as confirmed by Matt with it's branches stretching out to infinity, the Primordials Creating galaxies and stars with even Ares doing a similar feat in god of war 1 and things like the underworld being stated to be infinite all the way back in the visions of Greece video of gow1.
From how their portrayed and Cory confirming it, it's probably multiverse bs.
@@MidChroniclercory has also said that the realms are infinite in size, which Scandinavia isnt
To me the way it is, they have the power in that land and area, each one has no clue of the other, so there’s no problems, or the green portal thing in odins basement also acts as barriers to the other mythologies
By the way this is me at 1:11
I think it depends on which God you're dealing with. Odin and the aesir clearly knew about other mythologies. However, the aesir seem to be weaker than other Pantheons so if Odin was planning anything I'm sure it was a long game, probably including the mask. The Greek gods probably could have known about other mythologies if they cared to, but I think they were too arrogant to put much stock into it. Then you have Egyptian gods which in general seem to be less about power and more about peace and balance in their world so if they know they probably care about defending their world first.
@@stevenceja4706 definitely interesting, if the Egyptians are about peace,Greeks power, Norse would be intellect/wisdom I’m assuming, then what could/would the Shinto/Japan region be?, it’s definitely the most forgotten since a lot of people are talking about Egyptian mythology for the next game, me personally I think they might give the Shinto area to Atreus for a game or make it a mainly Atreus centered game as Kratos I don’t think works with a katana, but Atreus with a katana (if he gets a new weapon like Kratos) and his bow?, that’s just almost perfect and is like a samurai Atreus type thing
Didn't santa monica (or some dev) actually told us that jesus is canon? If he really is then doesn't it mean that a mythology can overwrite or conquer another one? Maybe by waging war or... a change of faith in the people of said mythology?
I can see it happening
The story of Exodus can fit well in this world
no man that shit was discarded a long time ago, not to mention that is a terrible idea@@thegiftedfire3470
Power Vaccum? With all of these other mythologies dying it opens up the way for Christianity?
Great video well explained
11:58 that was unexpected 😂😂😂