5 Reasons the 4th Commandment is Moral. SDAs Respond to
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2024
- In this video, we respond to claims presented by the critic that the "Sabbath" is not a moral commandment. What many don't realize is that the 4th commandment is MORE than just the Sabbath.
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This is the most bizarre challenge of the Sabbath I’ve ever heard!!! Wow. I can’t even begin to imagine using this to justify not keeping the 7th day Sabbath.
Thanks to you brothers for consistently bringing God’s Truth to this important subject. God Bless you all.
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Thank you, Elder Cotto, for this wonderful breakdown of showing that the Sabbath is a moral principle that we should delight to celebrate. Great breakdown, beloved.
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Thank you for this explanation. I pray that we all will be prompted by the Holy spirit to remember the way that you explain this when we are called to give an account on why we keep the sabbath
Sabbath blessings my precious family in Christ 💖
It's also moral because blood has to cover the decalogue under the mercy seat. We only need mercy for immorality.
18:52 almost made that point. Luke 23:56 they kept the Sabbath as commanded after Jesus declares a New Covenant in Luke 22.
Excellent!
I understand that allusions often have weaknesses, but Thunder’s usage of murdering six days a week to indicate that the Sabbath is not moral is nonsense. This is an example of a classic non sequitur.
The concept of providing rest and time to recharge to our neighbors is a great example of love to our neighbor. If you run a business and have employees you will clearly understand this truth.
Thank you for this message,you break it down with the scriptures,and explain each verse.God Bless 🙌 in Jesus name Amen.
The sabbath and its day is not an option no matter what anyone says, now can we worship extra on other days , absolutely and I encourage everyone to come to God daily but the sabbath was made by God for man on a specific day (the seventh day), that day is Saturday. In biblical times days didnt have names but rather went by numbers, IE: the 1st day, the 3rd day, etc... The Sabbath was reminded to many of the Israelites on stone as they had forgotten since being with the Egyptians for 400 years. But the Sabbath law has not changed since Adam and Eve, and before someone says its only for the Jews, ask yourself was Adam and Eve jews? If so that makes all mankind Jewish and therefore subject to the Sabbath Law.
12 minutes in... IMHO, #1 can also be violated, since breaking #4 is a form of another god. Not following Him also means following another...
You guys should live debate this guy
We've already made that attempt, and he bailed due to not having it his way and refusing to come to an agreement. Every one of these popular critics do that.
Read Deut 12:32 when your church folk insist on celebrating CHRISTMAS ON DEC 25, A ROMAN CATHOLIC COMMANDED HOLIDAY...
This is another bible verse where God himself FORBIDS IT...
Thanks for your comment. Just keep in mind that there is nothing in the fundamental beliefs of the SDA Church that endorses it, nor does the official church push it on its members. But the church cherishes the right of its member's freedom to choose.
Ellen G White:
“Shall We Have a Christmas Tree?”-God would be well pleased if on Christmas each church would have a Christmas tree on which shall be hung offerings, great and small, for these houses of worship. [Note: Reference is made in this article to current building projects. As the principles set forth in this connection are applicable today, these specific references are left in the article.] Letters of inquiry have come to us asking, Shall we have a Christmas tree? Will it not be like the world? We answer, You can make it like the world if you have a disposition to do so, or you can make it as unlike the world as possible. There is no particular sin in selecting a fragrant evergreen and placing it in our churches, but the sin lies in the motive which prompts to action and the use which is made of the gifts placed upon the tree. . AH 482.1
Which "church folk" are those? Provide names, positions, etc. You can't just bear false witness about things and then attempt to claim them as truth. Ive worked/pastored in three of the North American Division Conferences and spent time serving and preaching in others. Neither the official church website nor leadership endorse nor demand what you are implying.
This is illogical case to attempt to make the fourth commandment to be a “moral” commandment by trying to tie the ideas of work and rest as ideas that are moral because the commandment mentions work and rest. It takes only a few questions to begin to illustrate how this isn’t moral.
And what are those questions?
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So in the arctic circle the amount of time one works and one rests is measured differently from the land of Israel.
While it is immoral to steal or murder in all occasions, Christ points out it is ok to work on the Sabbath when doing good. Hence, Adventists have their pastors work in Sabbath, medical personnel work on Sabbath, police and firemen work on Sabbath. And so on and so on. When questioned about His disciples “working “ on Sabbath by eating wheat kernels - Christ gives the examples of David eating show bread.
These and other examples do not fit into the case being made that the Sabbath is a moral commandment. As one brings up more and more examples - the Adventist will weave and turn with tons of logic to explain this or that exception.
If I ask 10 Adventist how to keep the Sabbath- I will get 12 answers back.
And let’s include Hebrew Roots believers too. They will give another list of answers - not to mention the actual Jewish believers from their various writings over multiple time frames.
Everyone knows intuitively what murder is. Everyone understands what stealing is. We understand committing adulterer - especially after Christ even further clarified it.
Now let’s go back to how Adventist hold the 4th commandment to be above all the others. It is the one that divides everyone at the end of time.
Yet, unlike the moral commandments found in Exodus 20 and the other moral commandments included in the ceremonial sections of the law.
Adventists cannot even agree on how to keep it among themselves . The exceptions run long and deep - ever expanding.
When EGW was asked about those living in polar regions… her only answer was there are more hospitable places to live.
The commandment isn’t moral. This is the common sense statement EJ L. is making.
Non-believers understand theft is wrong, they understand taking innocent life is wrong, and the list goes on.
However, there is no way anyone would have thought of keeping the seventh day as a day of rest.
Again even the way the Sabbath has been kept through history has been changing. Stealing has been stealing throughout history… murder has been murder throughout history.
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Also recommend you watch and read the material done by R.L. Solberg. He does extensive reviews on the relationship of the law and gospel. His ministry is dealing with those in Hebrew Roots movements but there is enough overlap with Adventist to be worth viewing.
Adventist teach (one only needs to attend their Sabbath School classes to hear this repeated at nausea) that the Protestant churches teach the law has been done away with.
However this isn’t true. There are two main views. The reformed / Calvinist view which holds the law in high regard and are sabbatarians. They believe the Sabbath is continuing under the New Creation motif.
Then there is a second group that see the Sabbath as a foreshadowing of the rest we have in Christ. The type (Sabbath) is fulfilled by Christ who brought the full rest.
Outside of people like Andy Stanley or other are flung progressives - there is no church I am aware of teaching the moral law has been done away with.
Adventists have actively supported Abortion and filed legal briefs on the issue to keep it legal.
So they are misrepresenting what protestants actually believe… which one may see as bearing false witness against your neighbor. Furthermore, supporting the legality of taking unborn life may seem to break other clear commandments.
Not to mention the smears done to Canright at many SDA camp meetings.
Yet there is a prideful assertion that they keep all the commandments - but are not in any agreement even internally how to actually “keep “ the Sabbath.
Now I was raised in the SDA church and going by appearance assume I am far older than the members on the panel.
Hence, I have a bit of first hand experience and knowledge of these things.
@@user-rg1ms6sj2k I asked you what were your questions, and you came back with a bunch of statements, almost like a bit of a rant, without actually asking one. You made so many statements that I am discouraged to have to sit here and type a bunch of responses that for one will take too much time and two, you will not be convinced anyway, since you feel you're much older and wiser them the panel. So, I will say just a few things that should suffice and if it does not suffice to you, that is ok by me.
First, nearly every assertion you made in your two posts were answered in the long version from which this short clip came from. Seriously, from the arctic claim all the way to the claim that moral laws are innate, and the Sabbath is not. My mind suddenly got fogged with the very thought of having to repeat it all again with my fingers on this keyboard, when I can just direct you to the video itself. I will say only, for the sake of mental peace, give a short answer. If you have further questions, see the long version. Regarding the claim that the Sabbath can't be kept on a globe but only in Israel, which is what I gather from your arctic claim, this is based on a few misconceptions. First, in Acts 2 we read that Jews, themselves Sabbath keepers, came from "every nation" to worship at Jerusalem for the festival. Every nation. Let that sink in when thinking about the differences of sunset times around the world. So, the possibility exists. Its not a question of if, but how, which leads to the next point. Genesis 1:14-16 explains that "time" including "days" can be read by the stars and moon also, IN ADDITION to the sun. You might be a victim of the sunset-only rule, which says that time can only be read through the sun. But the stars may still be visible in the sky when the sun is out, anywhere around the world, and thus "time" and "days" may still be measured, albeit the length of each may differ. Note that verse 14 says these were set to also tell the "seasons" which in Hebrew means "appointed times, appointed days, meetings." It was God's intention for this to take place on a round world even before sin. I recommend a book called "The Lord's Day on a Round World" by Robert Leo Odom. He does a better job than I do on this point. Oh, and I agree with EGW as well. Many places on the earth are not suitable for living, and increase risk come from living there. Evidently those were places that were not designed for living, as not only the days are effected, so it the food and water supply, quality of living, health risks are increased, etc. Critics point out the issue of telling time, but don't point out the various other issues.
Regarding the issue of moral laws being innate in the conscience of people, this was also clearly explained using Romans 1-3 in the long version. It is true that the seventh-day is not noted naturally in our minds as being holy and moral, but the same can be said of the name of God. Thus the pagans, who could detect there must be a God, simply claimed Him as the "unknown God" as we read in Acts. Paul had to come and name him! You simply cant tell by nature or by the natural mind what is God's proper name in order to respect it, and yet that commandment remains moral. EJ recognized this and threw the baby out with the bathwater, claiming all of the first four commandments are NOT moral! Imagine that, claiming that worshiping God only is not a moral issue... all for the sake of attacking the fourth commandment. I pity this critic and anyone who agrees with him.
Simply put, Romans 1-3 demonstrates three ways to detect morality: by nature, by conscience, and by being TOLD, hence the Ten Commandments. Its even in that order. Chapter 1 speaks of nature, and so the gentiles are guilty because through it they know of God. Chapter 2 speaks of the conscience "either excusing or accusing" right from wrong, and the rest of the chapter, into chapter 3, speaks of the Ten Commandments, and those who have it being held to an even higher standard. With the first two, nature and conscience, people even disagree with what's moral or not. One may say its morally wrong to lie, others say its not in certain cases. The heart is often deceitful and wicked, and so God comes with ten WRITTEN laws to clarify the issue. Yes, we don't know through nature and conscience that its the seventh day that is holy, but neither do we know its God's name that is holy. But we know when the WRITTEN law comes by and tells us. Thus, "all the world is guilty before God" since "by the LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN." Do you understand, my well-experienced former SDA friend? Even Paul said he would not have known covetousness unless the WRITTEN law had said, "thou shalt not covet" (Rom. 7:7). YOU might believe coveting can be known by nature or conscience and thus it is moral, but not even Paul knew it was moral until it was written down and directly told by God. God is the ultimate arbitrator of morality. HE decides. Not our minds or our nature. Not even the nature of the external world. Those can only give a glimpse, and an imperfect glimpse at that.
This and more was explained in the long version of this clip, along with some other videos, especially recent ones. I invite you to go view them. It may be that you may learn a thing or two from these young-bucks on the panel. Blessings.
Edwin M. Cotto
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I have only read through the first paragraph. I am disappointed you took offense to writing statements instead of changing them into questions. Further, my statement about age and time in the church was evidence about I understand the culture of Adventists and the uninformed things stated in their Sabbath School classes across multiple churches and decades.
You ask people to comment and bring up concerns, issues, and objections to your hypothesis. However, when the feedback is provided it sounds you read it in the most negative perspective possible.
You do have the unfortunate situation of talking to someone who has lived, studied, attended SDA schools, participated in SDA church organizations, and has a sold understanding of SDA thought.
Now if we can stick to the actual issue that would be appreciated.