SOMEBODY TOCHA DA CHILD! Imagine being able to make a comment without your fans making the reply section about your memes instead of what you said in the comment.
Great video! Can't really blame a map creator for jumping at the chance for their map to be made official though, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity for most
There's just this eerie feeling I get whenever I join a Wutville server, it doesn't feel like a real map that's been added into the game. It felt like I was going crazy the first time I played it.
Not only that, it seems to have an aura of insanity. One game which I thought was just about to be lost turned out to be a bunch of people on the "Party Bus" just taunting.
@@doomyboi I kinda miss Gravel Pit on the Xbox 360, all you had to do was stand on a dispenser and place a teleporter to get under the map. It was great.
Tbh it is down to the 1 or 2 people working on updating the game, putting it on valve at large makes it seem the company at large is doing anything with the game XD
@@rojakishibe7113 that’s exactly the point. The vast majority of valve have stopped working on the game, hence they don’t care. Which is what the person said
@Source Dasher Can't agree that Valve has always been shitty, at least until 2012. Most likely they need a new structural plan, prohibit the possibility of changing the project and more communication with community. It's a sad that these are only dreams...
I really think problems are starting to come from their whole "no bosses, do whatever" montra, as it feels like there's no direction or plans made to keep things going. "Just add some crap every once in a while" will only get this game so far.
This is the saddest thing, even if force employees to return to the project, there is no guarantee that they will know what to do and will be able to support TF2 and its community with normal and high-quality content. I need you to go back to the time when the community was listening and have a more active dialogue with them. If I could go back in time to "End of the Line"...
Yeah this is basically Valves fault tbh. The map creator didn't have the skills and experience needed to recognize the flaws in their map and valves are basically subjecting them to ridicule.
I think Thirteen would be a fool to say "no." But perhaps he could have negotiated with Valve, and asked them to add it next year. That way he would have time to play-test it properly and polish the textures.
@@commcrimson9999 Sure the map is a nostalgic community map, but I think it should stick to being a community map. Already Wutville shows that the community isn’t exactly into meme maps being officially added, and as beloved as the Mario Kart map is, it would only show that Valve has no map standards at all and would allow a map with no objective that is full of random stuff
@@enn1924 Yah it is unfortunate that we are getting these bad meme cosmetics in the game. I know we are pissing on TF2’s art style at this point, but we could at least not fill the game with cosmetics that look so bad
87 days ago - Thomas Francis II "Hehe, hey mom, can I stay up all night, never do my homework, and get some beer to drink?" 12 days ago - V. [Mom] "Sure, do whatever you want while I'm away. Also I sent 50$ and a fake license to buy beer in the mail."
Dude, I am not a good sniper at all, as in my 3,000 hours I play other classes. But on Wutville, top scoring as sniper was one of the easiest things I have ever done.
@@BossKnight easier said than done Given how the map is mostly one 'straight' path with less flank routes, snipers can just look up or stay with the team with barely any consequences
This makes me wonder if there aren’t enough good smissmas themed maps on the workshop. That’s why we got three out of four maps that are actually smissmas themed and one of the three is janky af. That’s two decent smissmas maps that Valve was able to find in the workshop out of the many other options. The irony is that pier, the non smissmas map that was added is the best map for the update. If these maps are only available for smissmas, then I hope that pier will stay available permanently since it’s not smissmas themed and it’s a pretty fun map.
I think the only yearly exclusive maps are Halloween since other maps added during Smissmas are still playable. Granted I don’t think many people would mind if Wutville was a Smissmas exclusive map
Let me check... 2015: A/D Stoneyridge, -PD SnowVille,- A/D Snowlodge, A/D DeGroot Keep Winter, PL Badwater Snowy, PL Frostward, A/D Dustbowl Winter, PL Millstone, KOTH JingleJam SD Holiday, A/D Gorge XMas, CP Snowlands, Arena Beck Snowy, Nightwatch Snowy, A/D Amaranth Event, Tekton, MANN Frozenbarn 2016: CP Powerhouse Snowy, PL Millstone (2016 UGC), A/D Snow Keep, Pine Passage, Frosty Outpost, Arena Holidaytower 2017 (Scary Smissmas): A/D Spookeyridge, KOTH Frost Moon, CTF Stormy Lab, Arena Ravine Event, CTF Ravenous, KOTH Spookment, MVM BigSnow, CTF Snowfort, CTF Festive Turbine, CP 5Gorge Xmas, Warehouse XMas 2018: [CP] [KOTH] Coldlands, Coldrush 2019: -Snowfall,- Coldenburg I'm obviously missing a few but these are maps that were definitively released for Smissmas. Some are good, others are not, but they all are on the Workshop if you want to try any of them.
I like to use it when I'm staying on text or images for a while, since it draws the eye in to the focus and makes it easier to see. I can reduce it going on.
Admittedly it could have been better. I do see you pointed out 2:23 (and again at 2:34) and it was something that I was aware of. I didn't have any text or images to put up at the time, and I thought that it would end up being too jarring to un-blur and re-blur for just 2 seconds. It's just something I'll need to watch for if I ever do this again.
@@Jakapoa I suggest making it a bit more darker, so it goes easier on the eyes, I thought this guy was exaggerating but yeah, I started to feel a bit uncomfy on the eyes
Ok just for the record, the creator of the map stated he talked to valve and it’s already been resolved and he's gonna go back and fix it, btw that map was uploaded to the tf2 workshop in 2016 4 years ago. At one point the creator of the map said that he had apparently given up on tf2 creating and etc. The map creator didn’t deserve the hate from this at all...
i feel like people are mad that this dude even agreed in the first place, but if valve themselves randomly asked for your map to be in tf2 would you not want that?
Cant wait for them to do nothing in smissmas next year for fear of backlash. Remember when they said they werent going to do community updates again? Im scared its going to be like that all over again..
With community updates, the TF Team decided to stop doing them because of drama between content creators and issues with content ownership. These newer updates are the TF Team just shooting themselves in the foot and not understanding why their foot is suddenly bleeding.
@@Jakapoa more like the TFperson lol. Now I’m not 100% sure but I’m pretty sure only 1 guy is working on tf2 for fun rn I’m not saying they couldn’t have asked a couple friends to help play test but it explains a lot y’know.
I've also heard this claim floating around. It's pretty certain that dario (the mannpower dev) is behind a lot of new updates, hence the mannpower updates. Though nobody can verify if it's more than just him. Kinda scary that content updates are possibly handled by only one person.
@@Jakapoa There are 3 (now 4) people who work on TF2 consistently Eric Smith, Jill, Dave Riller, and recently Dario Casali they do leave TF2 to work on other games quite often though such as HL:A and Valve's unreleased project Citadel.
I love this map and im glad valve doesn't listen too winy assholes on the internet. If you don't want to play it, don't play it. It's that fucking simple.
@@thegrandnil764 Okay then, let’s add cp_orange, or cp_mariokart, but hey, it’s okay, just don’t play it. There must be a standard to map design, and every map must have some sort of play style, bases, flanking routes, objectives, etc. What if in a game, 75% of maps were like this, buggy, broken shit that no one likes, or want to play. Would your excuse be “Just don’t play it?”
@@thegrandnil764 Would a new player be happy with that? A new player, just installed, knows nothing of the game, will hop into a casual match. If they end up in bad maps 75% of the time, they'll uninstall before the end of the day. You can't expect a new player to know what maps to search for.
12:38 did he really agree? I mean, if you're just told to get this map ready with no warning, it's likely Valve already had full intention of adding it to the game whether it was ready or not. How do you know he wasn't like "WTF, that's not even remotely enough time to fix this map" and the TF team just went "Lol, not our problem."
Being that it's their map, they do have some control over it. It would probably feel weird saying "no" to valve, and there's a chance they may have steamrolled it through anyway, but it would absolutely mean more than nothing at all.
@@RickJaeger It would be weird yes, but you'd be sparing yourself a lot of complaints and hate from a map that you know is bad and/or unfinished. Its worse to have your name on something that is hated a lot by the community as opposed to not being recognized at all (up until that point at least)
@@realskorpio6949 when i was 12, i was making tf2 maps, although, i never published them or finished still have my "first_map" in the hammer editor, hasn't been touched since 2015
I've been playing TF2 on and off for almost ten years, and I've always been impressed by the careful design of maps and the delicate influence they have on gameplay. Letting something like this slide is... incredibly disappointing.
Wutville had so much potential I remember reading the name and being like “ooooo a dr Seuss styled map this could be amazing” and then it just looked like a 2015 trade server
“Wutville” sounds like a joke map name, yet I can’t help but feel like that wasn’t the intent. It’s unfortunate how indicative it is of the map’s quality.
I think that was supposed to be the idea, it was the ugly Christmas sweater of maps. But it’s like cp_orange; just because it’s a fun joke map doesn’t mean it should be on official servers.
“Somethings wrong with valve. And it needs to change.” That was the best quote I have ever heard, and it really portrays how possibly in the future, the tf2 fans who have liked every update and didn’t complain much, will eventually quit.
I'd like to also note that Wutville's creator made this a long time ago and his mapping skills have FAR improved. Fishladder is a super cool map, its hard to believe it and wutville were made by the same guy.
So while yes this was a huge misstep, overall I think that the update was good, we got new taunts, new maps (the rest of which are pretty fun), and of course, the best part of the update THE HOLY LOCALIZATION FILES.
yeah and while it’s not the best map any hate against the creator is just awful it’s like a four year old map that he got barely any time to fix up it is rediculas
Eyy, das me at 6:07! Im the coffee lad! The voice chat was going crazy that game! Like, it started as "Ah, we're spawn camping" to "Wait, how did you get a kill through the door?" to "WAIT, YOU CAN GET KILLS THROUGH THE DOOR!" in a matter of seconds. It was wild.
Before the video even started I had a good idea what the first thing commented on would be and, yup, naturally its the people in denial that lap up anything and pass it off as "at least its something!". Heard a ton of it the first match I had on the map, and after over 10 years of playing TF2 I knew instantly the map was terrible. Bitter sweet was the end of the map, after being spawn camped for 4 minutes straight, all the deniers started whining and desperately wanting to RTV lol
"Valve updated the game, TF2 has a bright future ahead !" 1) None of the content in the update is made by Valve, they only added it 2) Bots and cheaters are still rampant 3) Balancement is still out the window with both unbalanced AND buggy weapons 4) (This map) Me: Yyyyyeeeeaaaahhhhnnnnooooooope...
Ehhh buggy unbalanced weapons is kind of a stretch, there's like, 3 I'd argue are straight upgrades to stock and 2 of them are on spy aka diet sniper so who actually cares lol
@@ADerpyZelda Unbalanced doesn't just mean "overpowered", it also means "literally useless". example: sharpened volcano fragment. Even the argument that it's good for Medieval Mode is garbage because why would you NOT use the back scratcher in that mode, like, ever. The wrap assassin, bison, and dragon's breath are all also useless because for some reason shit like stairs and random bits of air in maps have models that block their projectiles specifically. The odd case of the Iron Bomber and it having a massive hitbox in comparison to normal grenades (not even just because it covers the whole grenade, it physically sticks out it's hitbox a good few inches beyond the visible model) There's more, but I'll cut my comment here; Buggy unbalanced weapons is very much not a stretch.
@@fusrosandvich3738 yeah no you right, even after I posted this I realized medic literally has 2 unlocks that invalidate every other weapon he has, the Ubersaw and the crossbow aren't even necessarily broken, men's other unlocks just don't fill a useful niche that gives a reason to use them
Valve is trying, in an interview with them, one of the programmers had manually banned thousands of bots in just the last month. But cheaters can make bots much much faster than valve can ban them.
I corrected your comment: Billion dollar company: we are lazy do our work for us you have 4 days. Poor guy: what!??? Yeah I’ll better be quick sir. Billion dollar company: haahhhah stonks looool
in mannpower's defense, the only reason that keeps getting updated is because the guy who created mannpower in the first place does all this and plays his own gamemode too
Reasons i hate this map: It destroys my framerate. Its super sniper friendly MY EYES HURT Reasons why i like this map: This is where i would put my Reasons to enjoy this map, if i had one!
I honestly dont mind this place being a sniper heaven. It's actually pretty cool to have an entire city as a battle ground. Some of the sniper battles I've had were awesome. Its everything else that's the problem.
"It is fundamental that a dev team understands how their game functions, or else you're going to end up with even worse mistakes." me sitting here being a frequent dbd player who knows this all too well
@@HockeyM.M. I'm convinced that any developer that relies solely on statistics to update their game doesn't give a single fuck about it or the game's players. Every time i've seen developers use that strategy they make ass-backwards decisions that piss off most of the userbase. They also don't revert changes even if, literally, the ENTIRE playerbase is mad at them for it. Along with DBD, Warframe has been like this for the past few years. Makes it extremely uninticing to play a game where at any point your favorite thing could get nerfed into the ground, or bugs that have been known problems for years are ignored time and time again, every update.
Yeah, I have to admit the "please don't harass the map creator" messaging feels a little hollow in a video where said map creator is regularly insulted and blamed for this fiasco. It's criticism without kindness. Wutville is my least favorite map in TF2, but I still empathize with the creator. If Valve offered me a paycheck for an unfinished project I stopped working on 4 years ago, I'm not sure I could justify turning them down. Even if Thirteen could've said no, this is 100% Valve's fault because it's their game and their money.
@@emppudud5692 1. Horrible quality control across the board. 2. Terrible batches of new warpaints and cosmetics (probably the worst cases ever added) 3. Half the taunts are lazily animated. 4. 3/4 of the new maps consist of reskins and Wutville. 5. No balance changes, no glitch/bug fixes, no updated in-tutorial, F2Ps still cant use the voice/text chats, bots are still rampant, etc. 6. No effort to save the economy 7. Valve contributed 0% of the "content" to this update. 8. Valve will release more terrible updates like this because they can count on people to say stuff like "at least it's better than no update at all" when it clearly isn't.
The worst part, my good man, is that Valve didn't listen. They tried to pull this same crap AGAIN with Aar's Coal Pit map. They gave Aar 10 day's notice after telling him his map was going to be put in, and the map was in a wretched state. Only after Aar busted his butt and called upon some of the best and brightest in the workshop community did Coal Pit go from what would've been the biggest disappointment in Smissmass 2022 to what has been regarded as the best (or one of the best) maps released that year. Goddamnit, Valve. All of this is documented on Aar's channel, so I highly recommend you watch that.
Its been 13 years. I've been playing for 7. Valve straight up told us if they stop supporting TF2 they wouldn't tell us. Game's artstyle died like 5 years ago. The code is literal spaghetti that most devs don't even want to begin to try and understand. Yet we have a player base that refuses to let this geezer lie down and die. Its inspiring, but ultimately puts a lot of strain on the already tired and limited devs the game still even has with the kind of standards they're held to. I'm not condoning this level of incompetence but I ultimately think we're expecting too much of a 13 year old game with a single digit dev team. At some point you gotta know when to let go.
The problem is, this game is one of the longest running games in history, do you really think the community would let go of a game that has been going on for this long, especially after the dev team promised we would be getting another major update practically 5 years ago?
@@Youhadabadday2021 unfortunately no they won't let go even though they should. Other video games exist, move on, do something else, also, they promised nothing. They never once said that there will for sure give us another major update in the future. They said Heavy MIGHT get his own update later. Nothing was promised or guaranteed. Valve does not care, and they'll continue to not care because they put in 0 effort and idiots throw money at their outdated, neglected, games made in their outdated, neglected game engine, with its outdated, dysfunctional, and neglected anti cheat. Please stop throwing your time and money at a company that doesn't care about its consumers anymore, it's genuinely upsetting to watch.
i actually kinda like this map. the type of the "so bad, it's kinda good" and the funny shenanigans i like seeing a bunch of snipers just standing there like some family of ducks in a pond and the occasional swarm of rocket jumping soldiers or a demoman clipping through the floor. and also the fact that the map is very wide open. too bad i found a lot of bugs and issues
I’ve never been so passionately angry about a tf2 map in my entire life. I even made a gmod poster just to spite this map because I was so offended that this got into the game in its current state
It took me a while to realize Wutville is a Whoville reference. It makes a lot more sense after that connection. It's still pretty wacky though. Very trademap-esque in this form. The other versions of the map really are better suited for official release. It lacks polish in its current form and is just too janky atm. The open spaces are also pretty crazy. It is a sniper and jumper's paradise. If you can rocket jump, sticky jump, jetpack around, or snipe...this is YOUR map.....everyone else is a bit screwed though... ALL this being said...the harassment of the person who originally made this and all is totally not ok. Valve bungled this, sure. Lodge your complaints with them. As much as ragging on the creator's choices is a popular move, it does seem they were put in a winless situation with something they had no interest in being involved with in the first place. Should they have declined Valve's offer to include the map? I mean, probably. I can't blame them for giving it a go though. I mean, hell, if someone wants to include my map in their game declining will not be my first instinct. At this end of the day, this is Valve's fault and Valve's problem. At any rate, the map goes away in a month, so I don't think either party will _really_ care about it enough to properly fix the situation anyways. We're prob just stuck with this janky map held together by tinsel and wrapping paper...
Some people said this update is like a godsend and they're happy with it. I mean yeah the news taunts and news maps are quite nice, but there are quite a lot of problems behind it. Valve is just doesn't care anymore. Those sight lines, might as well add a room where only snipers can enter and shoot from it and call it a balanced map xD Yeah... Pretty sure no one in Valve likes to play TF2 anymore, so nope definitely didn't play test it themselves. Their cash cows are CSGO and Dota, those take their number one priorities
I personally really like the visuals, remining me of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" and, yea, the sightlines and spawn areas are awful, but if I had fun playing it (which I did) I am ok with it. I am not a huge tech guy, so the frames don't bother me.
I agree, this map, with fixed spawn and stuff could be his own thing The one i don't really agree is people complaining the sightlines for snipers, there are plenty of payload maps with big sightlines
Ways in which they could improve this map: 1. make more of it metal or wood/other realistic textures (especially the corner parts of the buildings which are the same texture as the walls) and make the entire map an industrial hellhole but with skeletons of elf children, windows into factory rooms that show conveyer belts with presents, make it the scary subversion of expectation that St. Nick had as well. Maybe even get rid off all the Christmas stuff and just make it like a sweatshop from hell, almost like a gulag. 2. Add some trucks, crates etc to clog up the sightlines 3. Make the final spawn point much bigger, add an exit up at the top of the pit and link the two spawn rooms. The generator exit 4. Less props, more actual map 5. Have the spawn rooms at the entrance to the sweatshop, maybe where the trucks coming in get checked? not just some random rooms that aren't even connected or make remote sense. 6. Make every spawn room unique, and do what gorge did with the unreachable spawn room if you have to. I actually really like a lot of the map's layout and I love how it feels really big, quite similar to upward in my opinion, It just needs a consistent and dark aesthetic with some changes made, but once that happens it could easily become one of my favourite maps due to the creativity involved.
It’s easily one of the most fun maps to play because the chat is almost always in agreement that it blows. I love how united the community is on shitting on this map
I played Tf2 recently for the smissmas event. And Whutville was one of the maps I played on. I walked out of Blue spawn, took one look at the area and asked “how did this get accepted? The Sniper sightlines are rediculous!?”
This was something that iiboharz (hey look, she has a cameo at 2:40) and I were talking about, and having a laugh about. Before smissmas was officially released I downloaded the TF2Maps version and we took a while talking about this map. Turns out the developer, Thirteen, is a total ass. They complained constantly to TF2maps about how their map didn't get any playtesting, like you said. However, they NEVER submitted it for the TF2Maps playtesting server, which is what you need to do if you want to get criticism from TF2Maps. The quality of the map is absolutely Thirteen's fault, but it's inclusion is Valve's. I hope Creators.tf has a really good Smissmas event this year, as I think it would offset this a little bit.
Did reply to this for the last tf2m user (and in the discord), so I'll just use the abbreviated version: I was absolutely aware he didn't ever submit the map for testing, but the explanation I had for it got rather "drama heavy" and just ended up sounding like I was harassing him myself. Removed a lot of it and forgot to throw that back in, but told people to read it for themselves instead. That post from you in the thread was absolutely going to be highlighted. The messaging I was getting was "stop blaming everything on him and harassing him", so I left it for people to make their own conclusions.
@@Jakapoa Totally fair. You and them are very right to not inspire harassment towards thirteen, I just wanted to voice this as an aside, and give more context, because how you phrase him "not receiving playtesting" could be interpreted as TF2M's fault.
Imagine making a map in hammer, and discontinuing it halfway through, and never look at it again. Then, next decade, your map is approved, and you get a message from Valve, to complete the map in a few days. And you, agree. A map you completely forgot about, when you were completely inexperienced with hammer, and are clueless to what you’re doing. And once it’s released, and you only fixed a tiny percent of the problems, and you get harassed for making a shitty map, you had no idea existed.
I've played Hydro exactly once a few years ago. It wasn't, like, trade server horrible, but I honestly cannot remember my play experience on it very well.
You could fix the sightlines with things like signs or festive light chains between buildings. its common in a winter scenario or winter market kind of deal and you could put anything on those signs or make the festive lights look kind of sinister to fight the evil santa shop theme. So yea I think that will improve the sightline issue by simply putting things in between the buildings so you can't just see the entire thing Edit: Some of the sightlines will still be there though considering not all of them are across uneven ground but I feel like it would still help
It's ok to do community update. It's ok to collaborate with the community to make your game better. But please, we're talking about developers who don't even play the game at this point, c'mon.
Someone just needs to heckin' finish cactus canyon. That map-in-development was my fuckin' jam, dude. I loved the whole "push the cart in front of the train" mechanic on the last map of the set.
![[TF2] Why People Hate Heavy](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/IRjqwT0VNd0/mqdefault.jpg)
"how tough are ya?"
"I play heavy on wutvill"
Right this way sir
I was top fragging as a heavy on wutville
"without a pocket medic"
@@AlmostAzun yup. Kek
I unironically top frag, defending, as heavy in wutville.
. . . because I am a heavy main.
Without criticism the map will stay like that, hopefully the map creator takes the criticism to heart and makes a better map
True, who knows what will happen to future maps
SOMEBODY TOCHA DA CHILD!
Imagine being able to make a comment without your fans making the reply section about your memes instead of what you said in the comment.
I dont think this map can be redeemed
PELOPETTHTHGHHHGHGHGHGHHGHG
agree tho
Yeah
Imagine writing a book, but the publisher decided to release your rough draft.
Wutville is like if they released your bored fanfic.
No, wutville is like a 4 year olds book comprised entirely of scribbles.
Wutville is the result of someone sending their weird ass 18+ fanfic to a book publisher as a joke, but they actually accept it
Wutville is like a parody of the town Whoville from dr suesses book - the grinch.
@@timez957 no, that’s the sniper hazmat headcase.
@@timez957 Even erotic material, regardless of contents, can be unrefined. The initial comment is still accurate.
Valve basically embarrassed this poor map creator who didn't even know they had a broken map.
I want to agree, but from what I know multiple people have mentioned issues in the map before Valve got their hands on it.
@@lillyleaf8039 yeah but the map had been abandoned and unfinished for 4 years at that point, it even has beta on it name in the workshop
@@lillyleaf8039 yes but valve decides what to put into their game
if they decide to add something they know is unfinished that is all their fault
@@zjanez2868 I have a theory that valve has an AI that repeats these updates when smissmas or scream fortress comes
@@davey5867 no I think it's just that they were careless when adding stuff and just added what ever they saw without relay looking into it
"Wutville" Sounds like a 2009 meme custom map
Wut
u w0t m8
I guess it’s not the worst whoville pun.
True
definitely looks like one.
honestly, when you said “the creator of this map is thirteen” I thought the maps creator was literally 13 years old
might be true lol
would explain a lot about the maps design
same lmao
Yeah.
Yep.
Mhm.
Dang ol', dang ol' Wutville, man.
while he might not be 13, he apparently got about that much time to finish the map from valve and had to rush the fuck out of it
Next we know it cp_orange becomes an official map.
Honestly at this point that would be better than wutsville
Don’t give them ideas
@@hoovers3770 the desert bus payload race map would be better than wutville.
The "Orange update"
-added cp_orange
-added new game mode "10x randomizer"
n o
My brother defined Wutville as the spiritual incarnation of the Christmas-themed war painted holy mackerel
Can confirm, have a Christmas-Themed war Painted Holy Mackerel
so my scout’s main melee
so my scout's main mele
so my scout’s main melee
so my scout's main melee
Wutville? A bad map? What are you talking about, it's currently the best map in the game!
Yes, I'm a sniper main, how could you tell?
“It's like christmas morning“
"It's an Australian Christmas bloody miracle!"
Is that pyro pete
@@spyonmebaby fan-BLOODY-tastic
@@PancakemonsterFO4 *pissmas
Great video!
Can't really blame a map creator for jumping at the chance for their map to be made official though, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity for most
Hi
Where did you take my family
"Didn't they test this map before they released it?" - AVGN
what were they thinking
64 bits, 32 bits, 16 bits, 8 bits, 4 BITS, 2 BITS, HALF BIT, THE WRIST GAMEEEEE
''this map is ASS''
*dies to bot* FUUUCK AASS!
a classic case of something being a "shit load of fuck" hate it when this happens
There's just this eerie feeling I get whenever I join a Wutville server, it doesn't feel like a real map that's been added into the game. It felt like I was going crazy the first time I played it.
"OH MY GOD, SOMEONE FINALLY PUT IT INTO WORDS!"
It was the first map I entered after replacing my graphics card and I thought my settings were broken lol
Not only that, it seems to have an aura of insanity. One game which I thought was just about to be lost turned out to be a bunch of people on the "Party Bus" just taunting.
cp_orangetower is next
I can imagine the servers being haunted or osmething.
Wutville a map so broken that you can't even leave spawn without being killed by a sentry that was placed under the map.
and you can put teleporters in your spawn.
delfy be like: rancho relaxo
This map sounds like 2007 TF2 reincarnated
@@doomyboi I kinda miss Gravel Pit on the Xbox 360, all you had to do was stand on a dispenser and place a teleporter to get under the map. It was great.
@@lots0botsor the op tactic of making a sentry nest in the skybox of the first stage of Dustbowl
“Valve is going to alienate a serious portion of their tf2 playerbase.”
The vast majority of Valve: “Oh no! Anyway....”
*the entirety of valve
Tbh it is down to the 1 or 2 people working on updating the game, putting it on valve at large makes it seem the company at large is doing anything with the game XD
@@rojakishibe7113 that’s exactly the point. The vast majority of valve have stopped working on the game, hence they don’t care. Which is what the person said
@@gamegladi8or669 actually, I'd assume it's because the programmers' higher-ups don't consider tf2 important enough, but idk
@@cyceryx does it not still consistently make them money
people frequently spend 100 dollars on silly jokes
The mannpower's dev updates mannpower himself, you can probably find him playing around in there actually
Now I'm gonna try to find him. Wish me luck
That's actually really wholesome. We need to give the guy some love and play manpower ngl.
@@messiyer13 good luck.
@@laurenf.7922 Hmm you made me wanna play tf2 again.
Whats his name
"Somethings wrong at Valve and it needs to change."
Yeah, they need to stop hoping TF2 will eventually die.
@Source Dasher Can't agree that Valve has always been shitty, at least until 2012. Most likely they need a new structural plan, prohibit the possibility of changing the project and more communication with community. It's a sad that these are only dreams...
I really think problems are starting to come from their whole "no bosses, do whatever" montra, as it feels like there's no direction or plans made to keep things going. "Just add some crap every once in a while" will only get this game so far.
This is the saddest thing, even if force employees to return to the project, there is no guarantee that they will know what to do and will be able to support TF2 and its community with normal and high-quality content. I need you to go back to the time when the community was listening and have a more active dialogue with them. If I could go back in time to "End of the Line"...
@Source Dasher if tf2 was made today by a different company it would be much worse
In the creator's defense, would anybody really turn down an offer from valve to canonize something they made
Fair enough of a point, but he could've handed off an entirely separate map. It's clear he had other versions of the map he could've used.
This. The mapper was probably so entranced by the fact that he could, he didn’t stop to think if he should.
It depends who
If my maps were shit, i would probably ask them for improve it
Yeah this is basically Valves fault tbh. The map creator didn't have the skills and experience needed to recognize the flaws in their map and valves are basically subjecting them to ridicule.
I think Thirteen would be a fool to say "no." But perhaps he could have negotiated with Valve, and asked them to add it next year. That way he would have time to play-test it properly and polish the textures.
Maybe they'll add idle trade maps into the casual games in the next update, probably next year's Scream Fortress or Smissmas
I personally can not wait for when we'll get trade_minecraft_neon_v82 added to tf2.
I wouldn’t mind having Mario kart be a Nestolgic map as a special gamemode
@@commcrimson9999 Sure the map is a nostalgic community map, but I think it should stick to being a community map. Already Wutville shows that the community isn’t exactly into meme maps being officially added, and as beloved as the Mario Kart map is, it would only show that Valve has no map standards at all and would allow a map with no objective that is full of random stuff
@@bobbyferg9173 just like they did with cosmetics
@@enn1924 Yah it is unfortunate that we are getting these bad meme cosmetics in the game. I know we are pissing on TF2’s art style at this point, but we could at least not fill the game with cosmetics that look so bad
I really like Pier actually. That should be an official map on the Payload rotation
add some spice to the stale ass rotation thats been there for years
I genuinely enjoy the disco room in blu spawn
@@BilboStabbins banana land!
Completely agree. Especially since it has nothing to do with Christmas
Your wish, has been granted!
Valve is starting to act like that one parent who gave up and let their kid do whatever they want
87 days ago - Thomas Francis II
"Hehe, hey mom, can I stay up all night, never do my homework, and get some beer to drink?"
12 days ago - V. [Mom]
"Sure, do whatever you want while I'm away. Also I sent 50$ and a fake license to buy beer in the mail."
And why? Because GAY-BEN!
Can't wait for the new deathrun maps in casual.
I actually would love to see deathrun mode with maps like office and technoir
XD
What about prophunt
Cant wait for jailbreak maps to be added
Surf maps
Dude, I am not a good sniper at all, as in my 3,000 hours I play other classes. But on Wutville, top scoring as sniper was one of the easiest things I have ever done.
Top 3 easiest things to do:
3-blinking
2-breathing
1-playing as sniper on wutville
Similiar thing.
Sniper is my _least_ played class and I still was on the top of the leader board causing enemy team to get spawncamped.
No wonder we were pushed back by a mere CN/TW sniper player with moonrunes for a name
You can just counter a tunnel vision sniper with the base jumper sticky jumper and the caber, you can just fly and drop a sniper
@@BossKnight easier said than done
Given how the map is mostly one 'straight' path with less flank routes, snipers can just look up or stay with the team with barely any consequences
This makes me wonder if there aren’t enough good smissmas themed maps on the workshop. That’s why we got three out of four maps that are actually smissmas themed and one of the three is janky af. That’s two decent smissmas maps that Valve was able to find in the workshop out of the many other options. The irony is that pier, the non smissmas map that was added is the best map for the update. If these maps are only available for smissmas, then I hope that pier will stay available permanently since it’s not smissmas themed and it’s a pretty fun map.
I think the only yearly exclusive maps are Halloween since other maps added during Smissmas are still playable.
Granted I don’t think many people would mind if Wutville was a Smissmas exclusive map
Let me check...
2015: A/D Stoneyridge, -PD SnowVille,- A/D Snowlodge, A/D DeGroot Keep Winter, PL Badwater Snowy, PL Frostward, A/D Dustbowl Winter, PL Millstone, KOTH JingleJam SD Holiday, A/D Gorge XMas, CP Snowlands, Arena Beck Snowy, Nightwatch Snowy, A/D Amaranth Event, Tekton, MANN Frozenbarn
2016: CP Powerhouse Snowy, PL Millstone (2016 UGC), A/D Snow Keep, Pine Passage, Frosty Outpost, Arena Holidaytower
2017 (Scary Smissmas): A/D Spookeyridge, KOTH Frost Moon, CTF Stormy Lab, Arena Ravine Event, CTF Ravenous, KOTH Spookment, MVM BigSnow, CTF Snowfort, CTF Festive Turbine, CP 5Gorge Xmas, Warehouse XMas
2018: [CP] [KOTH] Coldlands, Coldrush
2019: -Snowfall,- Coldenburg
I'm obviously missing a few but these are maps that were definitively released for Smissmas. Some are good, others are not, but they all are on the Workshop if you want to try any of them.
@@bobbyferg9173
Well isn't this smissmass a bit different than the other more recent ones?
@@Messier__ well yeah, for one, it is one (if not the only) early smissmas
Pier isn't Smissmass themed, but the fireworks kind of remind of New Year's Eve and the town is cozy
it's extremely telling when Valve chooses a map that has been abandoned since Australian Christmas was a thing
Valve chose it because GAY-BEN! And the same reason goes for as to why they won’t fix the bot problem.
Excellent video!!!
I loved fortnite vs tf2
How do you not have the checkmark yet?
@@idress8340 and there's channel with EXTREMELY short names gettin' the check but not this dude?
Very nice videos
you really like to use this blur filter. feels like my vision is deteriorating
I like to use it when I'm staying on text or images for a while, since it draws the eye in to the focus and makes it easier to see. I can reduce it going on.
I mean he edited the blur perfectly in the video
Admittedly it could have been better. I do see you pointed out 2:23 (and again at 2:34) and it was something that I was aware of. I didn't have any text or images to put up at the time, and I thought that it would end up being too jarring to un-blur and re-blur for just 2 seconds.
It's just something I'll need to watch for if I ever do this again.
@@Jakapoa yeah, the blur lasted for a bit longer than usual but then i realized that was a bit nit picky so i edited it
@@Jakapoa I suggest making it a bit more darker, so it goes easier on the eyes, I thought this guy was exaggerating but yeah, I started to feel a bit uncomfy on the eyes
Ok just for the record, the creator of the map stated he talked to valve and it’s already been resolved and he's gonna go back and fix it, btw that map was uploaded to the tf2 workshop in 2016 4 years ago. At one point the creator of the map said that he had apparently given up on tf2 creating and etc.
The map creator didn’t deserve the hate from this at all...
didnt the creator also get, like what, less than 10 days notice to get it ready? that's fucking harsh on an old map still in beta from a bygone era
@@petatersandgravye2n ikr, i blame valve entirely
i feel like people are mad that this dude even agreed in the first place, but if valve themselves randomly asked for your map to be in tf2 would you not want that?
Imagine a map you worked on ages ago gets picked by valve and now bunch of kids harass you. That's sad
exactly the way the community has treated him is awful and makes me embarrassed to be in the community that normally is so wholesome
Cant wait for them to do nothing in smissmas next year for fear of backlash. Remember when they said they werent going to do community updates again? Im scared its going to be like that all over again..
With community updates, the TF Team decided to stop doing them because of drama between content creators and issues with content ownership.
These newer updates are the TF Team just shooting themselves in the foot and not understanding why their foot is suddenly bleeding.
@@Jakapoa more like the TFperson lol. Now I’m not 100% sure but I’m pretty sure only 1 guy is working on tf2 for fun rn I’m not saying they couldn’t have asked a couple friends to help play test but it explains a lot y’know.
I've also heard this claim floating around. It's pretty certain that dario (the mannpower dev) is behind a lot of new updates, hence the mannpower updates. Though nobody can verify if it's more than just him.
Kinda scary that content updates are possibly handled by only one person.
@@Jakapoa There are 3 (now 4) people who work on TF2 consistently Eric Smith, Jill, Dave Riller, and recently Dario Casali they do leave TF2 to work on other games quite often though such as HL:A and Valve's unreleased project Citadel.
@@Jakapoa I think major updates are gonna be made by the TF2 community, since Valve gives little shit about this game.
"just outside the northern suburbs of pyroland"
This explains so much.
i feel like an actual insane person playing Wutville
The sad thing is that r13 has a lot of talent but this map's flaws do a horrible job showing them off.
I love this map and im glad valve doesn't listen too winy assholes on the internet. If you don't want to play it, don't play it. It's that fucking simple.
@@thegrandnil764 Okay then, let’s add cp_orange, or cp_mariokart, but hey, it’s okay, just don’t play it.
There must be a standard to map design, and every map must have some sort of play style, bases, flanking routes, objectives, etc.
What if in a game, 75% of maps were like this, buggy, broken shit that no one likes, or want to play. Would your excuse be “Just don’t play it?”
@@roytheidiot4844 I would be happy with that
@@thegrandnil764 Would a new player be happy with that? A new player, just installed, knows nothing of the game, will hop into a casual match. If they end up in bad maps 75% of the time, they'll uninstall before the end of the day. You can't expect a new player to know what maps to search for.
gives r13 a bad name right?
12:38 did he really agree? I mean, if you're just told to get this map ready with no warning, it's likely Valve already had full intention of adding it to the game whether it was ready or not. How do you know he wasn't like "WTF, that's not even remotely enough time to fix this map" and the TF team just went "Lol, not our problem."
He's a community member, not an employee, he could have still said no and provided nothing.
Being that it's their map, they do have some control over it. It would probably feel weird saying "no" to valve, and there's a chance they may have steamrolled it through anyway, but it would absolutely mean more than nothing at all.
@@RickJaeger It would be weird yes, but you'd be sparing yourself a lot of complaints and hate from a map that you know is bad and/or unfinished.
Its worse to have your name on something that is hated a lot by the community as opposed to not being recognized at all (up until that point at least)
@@firesoldier343 yeah.
“The creator of this map is Thirteen”
For a sec I thought you meant 13 years old which would also explain it.
Would a 13 yo do a map even like this?
If enough skill, yes
@@realskorpio6949 when i was 12, i was making tf2 maps, although, i never published them or finished
still have my "first_map" in the hammer editor, hasn't been touched since 2015
Wtf?😠😆
Same
I've been playing TF2 on and off for almost ten years, and I've always been impressed by the careful design of maps and the delicate influence they have on gameplay. Letting something like this slide is... incredibly disappointing.
Valve let it slide because GAY-BEN!
I ran wutville on my laptop and now my legs have been seared to a perfect medium rare
Wutville had so much potential
I remember reading the name and being like “ooooo a dr Seuss styled map this could be amazing” and then it just looked like a 2015 trade server
“Wutville” sounds like a joke map name, yet I can’t help but feel like that wasn’t the intent. It’s unfortunate how indicative it is of the map’s quality.
It was made for an aesthetic contest, never meant to be actually played on...
Hehe 🤓 wutville, what a pathetic display
*pushes up glasses and joins dustbowl*
This map is so god damn ugly that it's almost charming. A part of me doesn't want it to be fixed lmao.
I mean, considering it's already out there and is a Holiday map, I highly doubt it'll be fixed anytime soon.
ok sniper main
I think that was supposed to be the idea, it was the ugly Christmas sweater of maps. But it’s like cp_orange; just because it’s a fun joke map doesn’t mean it should be on official servers.
as a Heavy main just looking at the sight lines on this map makes me cry
“You’ve got to have standards, as ‘painful’ as it may be”
Everyone to valve for the past decade
“Somethings wrong with valve. And it needs to change.” That was the best quote I have ever heard, and it really portrays how possibly in the future, the tf2 fans who have liked every update and didn’t complain much, will eventually quit.
wutville is one giant choke point
This map looks like a dog vomited all over a christmas sweater.
Relatable
I'd like to also note that Wutville's creator made this a long time ago and his mapping skills have FAR improved. Fishladder is a super cool map, its hard to believe it and wutville were made by the same guy.
If pier got in why not fishladder instead we got this wutville hell hole map.
@@g2ltt733 idk all im saying is blame valve not fishladders creator, I'd say even this guy here is making too much of a fuss about it
"An Australian Christmas map"
Dude's never seen Australia at Christmas clearly
There's no goddamn snow here.
It's fucking heat.
You're not getting snow.
You're getting a fucking sunburn!
@@yazidefirenze lol
@@loversngaji4357 What's so funny
"Australian Christmas" is an in-universe event that isn't neccessarily similar to literally "Christmas but in Australia".
Isn't it, like, the middle of fucking summer when Christmas comes in Aussieland?
So while yes this was a huge misstep, overall I think that the update was good, we got new taunts, new maps (the rest of which are pretty fun), and of course, the best part of the update THE HOLY LOCALIZATION FILES.
yeah and while it’s not the best map any hate against the creator is just awful it’s like a four year old map that he got barely any time to fix up it is rediculas
@@tomtoms8480 yep he doesn’t deserve this hate
Also the creator never expected this map to be added by valve.
@@Sinstarclair yeah
When I saw the new taunts, I felt joy. I don’t know why, It was probably the feeling that the game is being updated and worked on.
Wutville is the worst map I’ve ever played.
It feels like a trade server.
Except not actually interesting, or fun to play on. Unless you count playing purely to continue saying "why the hell is made like this" interesting.
I unironically like wutville, it's a creative festive map and it very chaotic
same thing here, its garbage but its my garbage, its absurd
Really sad that a person with amazing talent gets harassed because of Valve's poor decisions, I really hope he's doing alright.
Eyy, das me at 6:07! Im the coffee lad!
The voice chat was going crazy that game! Like, it started as "Ah, we're spawn camping" to "Wait, how did you get a kill through the door?" to "WAIT, YOU CAN GET KILLS THROUGH THE DOOR!" in a matter of seconds. It was wild.
Before the video even started I had a good idea what the first thing commented on would be and, yup, naturally its the people in denial that lap up anything and pass it off as "at least its something!". Heard a ton of it the first match I had on the map, and after over 10 years of playing TF2 I knew instantly the map was terrible. Bitter sweet was the end of the map, after being spawn camped for 4 minutes straight, all the deniers started whining and desperately wanting to RTV lol
"Valve updated the game, TF2 has a bright future ahead !"
1) None of the content in the update is made by Valve, they only added it
2) Bots and cheaters are still rampant
3) Balancement is still out the window with both unbalanced AND buggy weapons
4) (This map)
Me: Yyyyyeeeeaaaahhhhnnnnooooooope...
Seriously, in terms of fixing the bots, all they did was ruin the experience for F2Ps and fix 3-7 year old bugs
Ehhh buggy unbalanced weapons is kind of a stretch, there's like, 3 I'd argue are straight upgrades to stock and 2 of them are on spy aka diet sniper so who actually cares lol
@@ADerpyZelda Unbalanced doesn't just mean "overpowered", it also means "literally useless". example: sharpened volcano fragment. Even the argument that it's good for Medieval Mode is garbage because why would you NOT use the back scratcher in that mode, like, ever.
The wrap assassin, bison, and dragon's breath are all also useless because for some reason shit like stairs and random bits of air in maps have models that block their projectiles specifically.
The odd case of the Iron Bomber and it having a massive hitbox in comparison to normal grenades (not even just because it covers the whole grenade, it physically sticks out it's hitbox a good few inches beyond the visible model)
There's more, but I'll cut my comment here; Buggy unbalanced weapons is very much not a stretch.
@@fusrosandvich3738 yeah no you right, even after I posted this I realized medic literally has 2 unlocks that invalidate every other weapon he has, the Ubersaw and the crossbow aren't even necessarily broken, men's other unlocks just don't fill a useful niche that gives a reason to use them
Valve is trying, in an interview with them, one of the programmers had manually banned thousands of bots in just the last month. But cheaters can make bots much much faster than valve can ban them.
Valve- oh hey look a nice themed map
map creator- uhhh yeah....
valve- you have 4 days bro
map creator- ok...done
Valve- nice
LITERALLY EVERYONE- WTF VALVE?!?!?!
I corrected your comment:
Billion dollar company: we are lazy do our work for us you have 4 days.
Poor guy: what!??? Yeah I’ll better be quick sir.
Billion dollar company: haahhhah stonks looool
I love how he compare wutville to a trade server, meanwhile I'm dancing in the secret room of Pier
Wait what
in mannpower's defense, the only reason that keeps getting updated is because the guy who created mannpower in the first place does all this and plays his own gamemode too
Reasons i hate this map:
It destroys my framerate.
Its super sniper friendly
MY EYES HURT
Reasons why i like this map:
This is where i would put my Reasons to enjoy this map, if i had one!
I made this new map called: TV static
I honestly dont mind this place being a sniper heaven. It's actually pretty cool to have an entire city as a battle ground. Some of the sniper battles I've had were awesome. Its everything else that's the problem.
i have a shit cpu yet i can run tf2 perfectly fine on other maps but soon as i touch wut ville i get 10 fucking frames
now i know why my fps are f*cked when playing this map, really good video! you earned a sub
Same, on a Ryzen 5 2600x and RTX 2060 running a high-performance config, I was barely breaking 60fps
"It is fundamental that a dev team understands how their game functions, or else you're going to end up with even worse mistakes."
me sitting here being a frequent dbd player who knows this all too well
"Object of Obsession isn't an overpowered perk because it has a lower than average survival rate."
@@Yawyna124 "according to the statistics-"
@@HockeyM.M. I'm convinced that any developer that relies solely on statistics to update their game doesn't give a single fuck about it or the game's players. Every time i've seen developers use that strategy they make ass-backwards decisions that piss off most of the userbase. They also don't revert changes even if, literally, the ENTIRE playerbase is mad at them for it.
Along with DBD, Warframe has been like this for the past few years. Makes it extremely uninticing to play a game where at any point your favorite thing could get nerfed into the ground, or bugs that have been known problems for years are ignored time and time again, every update.
i will
i will delete object of obsession
"And it need to change.."
GUYS GUESS WHAT
NOTHING CHANGED! :D
has it changed this year
The voice this guy talks in makes it sound like VALVe killed his dog or something
Yeah, I have to admit the "please don't harass the map creator" messaging feels a little hollow in a video where said map creator is regularly insulted and blamed for this fiasco. It's criticism without kindness.
Wutville is my least favorite map in TF2, but I still empathize with the creator. If Valve offered me a paycheck for an unfinished project I stopped working on 4 years ago, I'm not sure I could justify turning them down. Even if Thirteen could've said no, this is 100% Valve's fault because it's their game and their money.
"thats because the creator of this map is 13"
His name is 13, its not his age.
@@MeemIsGosh wow, really??
@@MeemIsGosh no shit, sherlock...
I'm just glad the game still has players.
It doesn't excuse bad updates
@@MrCastleburger how was this update bad? Im interested in your pov.
@@emppudud5692
1. Horrible quality control across the board.
2. Terrible batches of new warpaints and cosmetics (probably the worst cases ever added)
3. Half the taunts are lazily animated.
4. 3/4 of the new maps consist of reskins and Wutville.
5. No balance changes, no glitch/bug fixes, no updated in-tutorial, F2Ps still cant use the voice/text chats, bots are still rampant, etc.
6. No effort to save the economy
7. Valve contributed 0% of the "content" to this update.
8. Valve will release more terrible updates like this because they can count on people to say stuff like "at least it's better than no update at all" when it clearly isn't.
@@MrCastleburger the taunts are not to blame
honestly i think wutvile was intended to be a 'silly' map or in other words a friendly map.
there is no such thing as a silly map, you people need to play more community maps
@@cralo2569 silly maps are real
@@cralo2569 Hightower, 2fort, rd_asteroid.
The worst part, my good man, is that Valve didn't listen. They tried to pull this same crap AGAIN with Aar's Coal Pit map. They gave Aar 10 day's notice after telling him his map was going to be put in, and the map was in a wretched state. Only after Aar busted his butt and called upon some of the best and brightest in the workshop community did Coal Pit go from what would've been the biggest disappointment in Smissmass 2022 to what has been regarded as the best (or one of the best) maps released that year. Goddamnit, Valve.
All of this is documented on Aar's channel, so I highly recommend you watch that.
Its been 13 years. I've been playing for 7. Valve straight up told us if they stop supporting TF2 they wouldn't tell us. Game's artstyle died like 5 years ago. The code is literal spaghetti that most devs don't even want to begin to try and understand. Yet we have a player base that refuses to let this geezer lie down and die. Its inspiring, but ultimately puts a lot of strain on the already tired and limited devs the game still even has with the kind of standards they're held to. I'm not condoning this level of incompetence but I ultimately think we're expecting too much of a 13 year old game with a single digit dev team. At some point you gotta know when to let go.
The problem is, this game is one of the longest running games in history, do you really think the community would let go of a game that has been going on for this long, especially after the dev team promised we would be getting another major update practically 5 years ago?
@@Youhadabadday2021 unfortunately no they won't let go even though they should. Other video games exist, move on, do something else, also, they promised nothing. They never once said that there will for sure give us another major update in the future. They said Heavy MIGHT get his own update later. Nothing was promised or guaranteed. Valve does not care, and they'll continue to not care because they put in 0 effort and idiots throw money at their outdated, neglected, games made in their outdated, neglected game engine, with its outdated, dysfunctional, and neglected anti cheat. Please stop throwing your time and money at a company that doesn't care about its consumers anymore, it's genuinely upsetting to watch.
Ah yes the coconut png that holds this whole game together
i actually kinda like this map. the type of the "so bad, it's kinda good" and the funny shenanigans
i like seeing a bunch of snipers just standing there like some family of ducks in a pond and the occasional swarm of rocket jumping soldiers or a demoman clipping through the floor. and also the fact that the map is very wide open. too bad i found a lot of bugs and issues
I HATED this map so much.
But after a few rounds, it's just so much fun.
Just make it pretty and not broken with spawns
I’ve never been so passionately angry about a tf2 map in my entire life. I even made a gmod poster just to spite this map because I was so offended that this got into the game in its current state
I would honestly love to see that.
@craZ_guy still doesn’t fix the sightlines and the spawn rooms
Ngl at 8:09 I thought you meant the map creator was 13 years old and I wasn't even surprised
In retrospect, it's slightly worrying how few people noticed anything wrong with snowy Christmas-themed levels in a game set in Australia.
TF2 isn't set in Australia, the gravel pits are in New Mexico
I don't think any more than 15% of the maps are set in Australia
Gotta say I thought I was on crack when I loaded onto the map the first time
Honestly, i had more fun playing wutville than any other map
I hate this map. Every match so far hasn't been fun, if this was the map the server was on.
@@kapsaysin i Got spawncamped everytime i was on blu
@@sandro0128 The blu spawns are awful.
I know, but all this flaws and exploits make it hilarious to play. At least for me
The exploits make it very fun to play honestly. With a couple friends sentry boosting under the map is very enjoyable
It took me a while to realize Wutville is a Whoville reference. It makes a lot more sense after that connection. It's still pretty wacky though. Very trademap-esque in this form. The other versions of the map really are better suited for official release. It lacks polish in its current form and is just too janky atm. The open spaces are also pretty crazy. It is a sniper and jumper's paradise. If you can rocket jump, sticky jump, jetpack around, or snipe...this is YOUR map.....everyone else is a bit screwed though...
ALL this being said...the harassment of the person who originally made this and all is totally not ok. Valve bungled this, sure. Lodge your complaints with them. As much as ragging on the creator's choices is a popular move, it does seem they were put in a winless situation with something they had no interest in being involved with in the first place. Should they have declined Valve's offer to include the map? I mean, probably. I can't blame them for giving it a go though. I mean, hell, if someone wants to include my map in their game declining will not be my first instinct. At this end of the day, this is Valve's fault and Valve's problem.
At any rate, the map goes away in a month, so I don't think either party will _really_ care about it enough to properly fix the situation anyways. We're prob just stuck with this janky map held together by tinsel and wrapping paper...
"Meanwhile on Wutville..."
*fart noise*
I hear you, dude.
Aaaand it's back. Valve actually put this back in the game this year. Fuck
Some people said this update is like a godsend and they're happy with it. I mean yeah the news taunts and news maps are quite nice, but there are quite a lot of problems behind it. Valve is just doesn't care anymore.
Those sight lines, might as well add a room where only snipers can enter and shoot from it and call it a balanced map xD
Yeah... Pretty sure no one in Valve likes to play TF2 anymore, so nope definitely didn't play test it themselves. Their cash cows are CSGO and Dota, those take their number one priorities
Only thing could about this map is the name, because when you load into it you just "what?".
I just noticed this has only 800 views
you deserve way more for a video like this
3:18 **sad part of married life from up plays**
7:56 You don't need nodraw, you can also use hint textures to cut through visleaves. But nodraw works as well.
8:11 "The creator of the map is 13"
This is not ok, it's time to stop, IT'S TIME TO STOP!
Wutville is like the Yandere Sim of TF2 maps.
2:41 It's me! The 2nd thread on the list :)
Oh thats nice
Fancy seeing you here. ;^)
@@Dxpress_ Haha. Nice to see you too!
I feel like this was a map created without the idea of getting in the game
one year after, it feels nostalgic
Honestly glad to know that other people think this map is shit, I thought I was just salty.
I personally really like the visuals, remining me of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" and, yea, the sightlines and spawn areas are awful, but if I had fun playing it (which I did) I am ok with it. I am not a huge tech guy, so the frames don't bother me.
I agree, this map, with fixed spawn and stuff could be his own thing
The one i don't really agree is people complaining the sightlines for snipers, there are plenty of payload maps with big sightlines
"I had fun with this thing, so this thing must be ok!"
this mentality is why we have the same garbage games copy pasted with a 2020 on it
I actually like the base design of wutville there inst any really tough chokes and the flank routes are really fun to use
Ways in which they could improve this map:
1. make more of it metal or wood/other realistic textures (especially the corner parts of the buildings which are the same texture as the walls) and make the entire map an industrial hellhole but with skeletons of elf children, windows into factory rooms that show conveyer belts with presents, make it the scary subversion of expectation that St. Nick had as well. Maybe even get rid off all the Christmas stuff and just make it like a sweatshop from hell, almost like a gulag.
2. Add some trucks, crates etc to clog up the sightlines
3. Make the final spawn point much bigger, add an exit up at the top of the pit and link the two spawn rooms. The generator exit
4. Less props, more actual map
5. Have the spawn rooms at the entrance to the sweatshop, maybe where the trucks coming in get checked? not just some random rooms that aren't even connected or make remote sense.
6. Make every spawn room unique, and do what gorge did with the unreachable spawn room if you have to.
I actually really like a lot of the map's layout and I love how it feels really big, quite similar to upward in my opinion, It just needs a consistent and dark aesthetic with some changes made, but once that happens it could easily become one of my favourite maps due to the creativity involved.
Would love to see more videos like these, hope you carry on getting the high views! Good luck
It’s easily one of the most fun maps to play because the chat is almost always in agreement that it blows. I love how united the community is on shitting on this map
I played Tf2 recently for the smissmas event. And Whutville was one of the maps I played on.
I walked out of Blue spawn, took one look at the area and asked “how did this get accepted? The Sniper sightlines are rediculous!?”
This was something that iiboharz (hey look, she has a cameo at 2:40) and I were talking about, and having a laugh about. Before smissmas was officially released I downloaded the TF2Maps version and we took a while talking about this map. Turns out the developer, Thirteen, is a total ass. They complained constantly to TF2maps about how their map didn't get any playtesting, like you said. However, they NEVER submitted it for the TF2Maps playtesting server, which is what you need to do if you want to get criticism from TF2Maps. The quality of the map is absolutely Thirteen's fault, but it's inclusion is Valve's. I hope Creators.tf has a really good Smissmas event this year, as I think it would offset this a little bit.
Did reply to this for the last tf2m user (and in the discord), so I'll just use the abbreviated version:
I was absolutely aware he didn't ever submit the map for testing, but the explanation I had for it got rather "drama heavy" and just ended up sounding like I was harassing him myself. Removed a lot of it and forgot to throw that back in, but told people to read it for themselves instead.
That post from you in the thread was absolutely going to be highlighted. The messaging I was getting was "stop blaming everything on him and harassing him", so I left it for people to make their own conclusions.
@@Jakapoa Totally fair. You and them are very right to not inspire harassment towards thirteen, I just wanted to voice this as an aside, and give more context, because how you phrase him "not receiving playtesting" could be interpreted as TF2M's fault.
Imagine making a map in hammer, and discontinuing it halfway through, and never look at it again.
Then, next decade, your map is approved, and you get a message from Valve, to complete the map in a few days.
And you, agree.
A map you completely forgot about, when you were completely inexperienced with hammer, and are clueless to what you’re doing.
And once it’s released, and you only fixed a tiny percent of the problems, and you get harassed for making a shitty map, you had no idea existed.
This just randomly showed up in my recommended, but the use of Iji Music in the background earned ya a sub.
This map is like Hydro, except it was made with drugs.
Hydro is like all class unfriendly, not a single class works well in the map.
I've played Hydro exactly once a few years ago. It wasn't, like, trade server horrible, but I honestly cannot remember my play experience on it very well.
You could fix the sightlines with things like signs or festive light chains between buildings. its common in a winter scenario or winter market kind of deal and you could put anything on those signs or make the festive lights look kind of sinister to fight the evil santa shop theme. So yea I think that will improve the sightline issue by simply putting things in between the buildings so you can't just see the entire thing
Edit: Some of the sightlines will still be there though considering not all of them are across uneven ground but I feel like it would still help
It's ok to do community update.
It's ok to collaborate with the community to make your game better.
But please, we're talking about developers who don't even play the game at this point, c'mon.
The community finally has something to discuss.
bot crisis, economy crashes, no updates... nah we dont talk much
Someone just needs to heckin' finish cactus canyon. That map-in-development was my fuckin' jam, dude. I loved the whole "push the cart in front of the train" mechanic on the last map of the set.
Isn't that the same mechanic they used in Banana Bay?