A͏s͏mongold Reacts To "The Biggest Guild Breakers in World of Warcraft" - MadSeasonShow
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My GM was an ex-drill sergeant . Even my non-WoW playing friends found it hilarious to listen to him yell after a wipe. So fun. I miss it.
Dude, that honestly sounds kind of fun. Like. Raid group gets whipped into shape really quickly. No cap
Mich Aguiluz yeah like you can’t even get mad at being yelled at. Everyone would just accept it
It's probably pretty common, I was in the US. Army and something I did not expect is how many damn gamers there are in the military.
It's a really popular pass-time in the military.
Before We played Wow me and my wife played Eq. We are both from the UK and we became really good friends with a guild member from the US. We found out he was in the infantry and on occasion would be doing things where he couldn’t get onto Eq. The best one for me was when he got deployed to the second gulf war. We got on so well that before he left he gave me his account details and asked if I would just keep him active and play him now and again... instead with the guilds help I managed to farm him his epic weapon. His response when he came back and saw what we had done was priceless... was one of my best mmporpg moments.
Literally half of my battallion plays either Call of Duty or WoW. Its the best feeling in the world hopping onto Classic WoW after 2 weeks in the field when its negative 20 outside.
"we didn't have 15 dumb people... we had 40" lol
first time in a while I actually laughed out loud
the good old memory lane days
Laughed at the same thing. like holy shit bro you gonna do your bois like that hahahah
At least you're counting yourself as one of the idiots.
@@HermanManly onon
I remember causing a guild to split back in BC because I asked if which weapons would be best for a Rogue. Guild leader and officer spent hours arguing over it, woke up next day to no guild and found out that the argument boiled over to general issues with how the guild was run etc.
@@gokublack8342 He was the hero actually who exposed the fragility and cluelessness of the leadership.
The mastermind, the 1st domino himself
Well? What weapon was it?
@@CondemnedInformer It was about if a Mace would be better or if a sword was for the proc chances lol
I remember I was put on a b-team in Lich because I wasn’t part of friends group of guild officers. Our b team ended up making more progress in raids than the A team. And ended up drawing the toxic players from the A team to to want to raid with us. Eventually the guild broke apart because b team felt good enough to just start their own guild 😂
I was relatively new in a guild with the typical tyrant yelling guild leader during Naxxramas. We failed "immortal" every week and every week he completely flipped out at the one's who messed it up in 25man. One week before the achievement was taken out he picked his best A-Team of 10 men to at least get the "undying" title. I ended up in the B-Team that day, which was a big insult to my ego. I never messed up immortal and guess what. This fucking shouty idiot try-hard wiped his entire group that day because he went left instead of right with the charge at Thaddius like a total scrub. B-Team got undying and whenever I see that title I have to think of that guy and how he fucked himself by being a toxic no skill loser. Guild completely broke down after we went into Ulduar from 8AM to 1AM every day. 64 tries at Mimiron and didn't even kill Yogg-Saron the first week. Yelling raid leaders are incompetent try hards in my experience and terrible at teaching, uplifting and selecting members. Competitive raids just carry their losers and replace them for the next raid with a better person until they got a good team.
same thing happened with my guild in ICC. The B raid 10 man downed Sindragosa first on normal, then 3 weeks later downed the lich king on the same week that the A group beat Sindragosa. The leader of the guild tried to kick the main tank for group B out so he could get loot, and everyone said fuck that and splintered into a new guild
Dude, i had the exact same experience, in Lich. We were progressing in naxx 10.
was this guild remnant? same exact story I joined they put me b team we downed lk before A team despite just starting. they started trying to pull players and swap people and we said no. they raged
@@markiemark2498 nah guild was called KoV I guess these type of stories were pretty common. With wrath. Lol
The funniest part is when the ninja looter is just standing there disenchanting all the gear he stole, right in their faces lol
He got some balls even when his whole guild start /w him after.
21:00 you mention how much it sucks being a tool for the leadership to gear up themselves. I was in a guild that did this to me and my friends during Nighthold. The GM's girlfriend played a mage and was absolutely terrible at the game, and always died less than 30 seconds into each encounter. For some reason, they decided that she needed better gear to not keep dying. And so they funneled everything to her until she had all of her BIS. Then she decided to change her spec from Arcane to Fire, and needed an all new set of BIS. THEN she decided maybe mage wasn't for her and so she decided to roll a hunter. I had mained a hunter since vanilla, but was playing a Ret Pally because I wanted to try it first in Legion. Around the same time that the GM's girlfriend decided to try hunter, my hunter (who was my actual main) got to the point where he could start raiding. I was told by my guild that if I wanted to raid, I would need to bring my paladin because all of the hunter gear that dropped would be going to the GM's girlfriend's new hunter. She was allowed to change her spec over and over, but I couldn't even bring my "alt" on alt day. At that point, I left, and almost immediately after, all of my friends left too, 7 of us in total (2 of whom were in the top 5 DPS for the guild and one was a core healer). We were done gearing the GM's girlfriend. We heard the guild didn't last more than 2 weeks after we were gone before it completely fell apart.
I'm sure you taught them a good lesson.
I hate the idea that people can't get over the bis treadmill.
It really makes me sick to think of all the times people who already had epic loots in each slot fought to kill their guild for another epic in their back pack or bank.
It's hard to get people on the same page as everyone else an to understand the greater good.
Then we have loot hoors an foolish stuff that is so demoralizing that it ended with personal loot.
Feel bad you an your buddy's fed those wankers gear for so long.
People have to quit at the first sign of foolish behavior getting rewarded.
How could you suck at mage? They have the best dps. I did very well in pvp with my human mage
Not trying to sound high and mighty, but this is why you never join (or at least never stay in for too long) couple led guilds. I was in a similar situation a couple years ago. A guy named Force (GM) who mained a lock and his girlfriend Amber who mained a mage. She was decent at the game, but she was a greedy manipulative individual. Force was of one of the nicest dudes you’d ever meet, and Amber always ran all over him so she could get what she wanted. I didn’t even last a month in that guild after progression started.
I was in a guild that had reserved loot for the GM's gf for whatever alt she wanted to bring and she had no idea how to play at all, the co gm linked up with friends whom had there own guild so he took most of the core raid group and booked it the guild didn't last the month.
Dude, that sounds so terrible. My dad and I run a guild together but we're always fair about it. If someone needs, gear they get the gear, if multiple people need it we roll for it. I can't stand GMs who favour romantic partners or family members in guilds and use the guild to get them better gear and loot.
His fish drowned. Thrown in so quickly and casually. That buckled me xD
Same
I actually got a laugh out of Onyxia's backpack. It's like "bro, what are you gonna do with all that dragonhide? It's a whole giant dragon!" "I'm gonna make a backpack. Stay in school kids."
Cataclysm killed both my Alliance guild and my Horde guild. I remember logging in one day during the Firelands patch, and half my Alliance guild was gone (had 100 at the start of Cata, had 50 sometime during Firelands). And then during the Dragon Soul patch, my Horde guild had like 36 members (and it had like 116 during Firelands). Over the remainder of Cata, both guilds slowly dwindled to like 10 members. The Horde guild disbanded entirely in MoP, we didn't even bother to try and rebuild, we just said bye to each other and went and joined whatever guilds would take us. My Alliance guild, on the other hand, is still around, but it's been clinging to near death since Cata. During MoP and WoD we had a small resurgence of players, but the 10 members who were still playing since the days of Vanilla, they all left during WoD, leaving myself and one other guy the only remaining original members from Vanilla, and the two of us struggled to plan stuff with the guild since we both worked for a living, and all the new members eventually left because we weren't really doing anything. We did try promoting members to help with managing the guild, but most of them just ninja looted the guild bank and left. Since we couldn't keep risking ninja looters, we stopped trying to promote people who didn't show they were dedicated to the guild, but since the guild was mostly dead anyway, most people didn't want to bother. In Legion, we had 30 members and we just did casual everything. Casual raiding, casual PvP, but Mythic dungeons helped keep our guild alive during Legion. Everyone in the guild loved doing them, and they weren't like huge dedications of time like raids were, so that was what we primarily did that entire expansion. Of course some members wanted to do more, they wanted to raid, but we couldn't do more than normal, and it had to be planned out because the only guy, aside from myself, who wanted to learn the mechanics was the other Vanilla guy. Everyone else just treated normal like LFR, and granted, the guys with mythic dungeon gear didn't really need to worry that much, but everyone else was not geared very well. They would hit level 110 and want to raid immediately, without bothering to get even the slightest bit of gear. So by time BFA comes around, we have like 10 to 15 active members. By patch 8.1, the member count was down to 5 people. And finally... on Patch 8.2, the only other guy who had been in the guild with me since Vanilla, he finally told me he was done playing WoW, because it wasn't fun anymore. Every expansion felt like his character was getting weaker, rather than getting stronger. Everything felt like a game of chance, or an endless grind with not even the slightest hint of a end goal. When he left, the other remaining members also stopped either coming on, or left the guild, leaving me as the sole member of my Alliance guild, to this day. I try to ask the old members, the Vanilla players I remember sharing so much time with, to come back for Shadowlands, to give the game one last chance, but they are unsure if the investment in time is worth it. A part of me wants to leave the guild behind, to finally let it die and join a different guild... but another part of me holds on to the fact the guild was formed the first day of WoW, all the back in 2004. At this point, I just play solo with my Alliance, joining LFG/LFR or pugs for anything requiring more than one person. However, and luckily, I also play Horde, because at least there I can enjoy all the harder content.
hey, when shadowlands comes out, i don't mind trying to rebuild that guild together!
I love WoW and I want to give them another chance in Shadowlands. If you're still going to be playing in Shadowlands, let me know what server you play on and I'll definitely give it a shot with you.
I play on EU.
I honestly think people got burnt out by the end of cata, I was one of them. Hardcore player since the beginning of TBC. Had 900 people in my guild by the end of Cata, we did pretty well on raids, I always preached progress, I emphasized learning one mechanic at a time until every single person in the raid fully understood it. We were usually one of the first guilds on our server to take down new raid bosses but we just burned out. I handed over the reigns to my trusted number 2 and took off. They all wound quitting too shortly after my one IRL friend stayed on WoW the whole time told me the whole guild fell apart shortly after Mists came out, almost my entire guild, which was about 250 active players just left WoW entirely.
holy shit thats depressing... im enjoying TBC classic as my first wow experience since playing TBC a few times as a kid
My wow guild on moon gaurd died due to drama and jumped ship to ffxiv. Still with them today but the wow guild is dead as shit.
Havent played wow since 2010, still watching
Never played wow, still watching
@@Preacher_. i bet its good , maybe when tbc comes out cuz its my favorite expansion + arenas + shaman is my main , but wanna reroll alliance next time if i decide to play
Never had a computer, still watching
@@mdougf they are just so time connsuming , Mmorpg's that is. Other than that theyre really really good games
I get PTSD flashbacks whenever I hear the words "Clear comms."
Fucking christ I feel this comment.
Had a raid leader that would kick you if you were to speak without being spoken to.
Another that was always raid loot master and didn't give loot to the more casual raiders because they talked too much during raid downtime or afk breaks.
Thanks to those few encounters, I rarely spoke or just not at all in any mmo forward after leaving wow in cata.
Joining in early TBC really showed me how ugly people can fucking be man.
@@AinrehteaDalnalirtu damn
@@Fishbro Take a shower and go outside, it might help you out.
@@Fishbro Notice how you attacked the original comment based a on minute detail without understanding how their guild structure was run and missing the point of the comment. I made my previous comment due to how snobbish you sounded and completely missed what he was saying. If he said that he was in a hardcore guild and didn't put in the effort and didn't get gear, okay. However, his point was about snobbish pricklords running a guild who would punish based on simple communication and even one that would withhold gear because of it.
@@Fishbro "you shouldn't get loot before the guy that sacrifices everything to attend every raid while you afk whenever you damn well please and come to whatever raid whenever you feel like it."
I feel like you're projecting this at me directly which is kinda funny.
The experience to which i was mentioning was one guild had a hell of alot of favoritism to their irl friends vs their actual raiders.
Imagine being fully geared and any raid they go on they're afk cause they died at the start of the encounter cause they died.
Dealt with too many guilds that would abuse lootmaster to gear a shit player over their casuals who were better at the game.
I've always been a hardcore mmo player even since everquest days. When it comes to guilds that are shit managed i don't stick around very long cause i'm better off using my gamesense and talents elsewhere.
"Don't like it don't play challenging content, go play retail."
I haven't played WoW since cata, i prefer a better managed game like FF14 instead.
Heart goes out to Asmon - he's seen so few good leaders that he thinks being abused shows that people care.
But he is right. They care, but are idiots.
Smoothest raids I've been in the leaders were calm and collected
@@Amanugai Why would a smooth raid make the RL mad? lol
"abused", it's pixels and words and the internet, if your raid leader is raging and you care about being good at the game you will have a great time, not only is it entertaining but it also fuels the try hards even more
I quit classic the week after BGs came out, up to that point I was in a guild who were clearing MC in about 90 minutes. The leaders were tyrannical, but tried to pass themselves off as "for the people". The most notable incident was when Staff of Dominance dropped, first one ever, and my warlock friend won the roll. 10 minutes later and everyone's still waiting for it to be handed out. Me and my friend are chatting in the WoW in-game voice chat while listening to the raid on discord. I heard him get pulled into the officer chat, and being shouted at and told he's not getting the staff.
They refused to give him the staff because he had +3 on chest, and not +4. There was only one person on the server with the +4 enchant, and he was charging 600g + mats. My friend argued the point, but in the end it went to the next highest roll who was an officer.
Oh, and I recently found out the guild leaders were skimming money from the guild bank, taking items earned by the second raid team and selling them. They emptied the bank and transferred server.
Yeah fuck that noise. Loot whore guilds ftl.
Sounds almost exactly like my classic wow guild😂 I quit right before BWL came out.
Lol discord and in game voicechat 15years ago 😅
@@timmysvensson4902 You realise that classic was rereleased a few years ago right?
Biggest guild breakers were BC expansion at #1 and Girls at #2. Lost so many good men because they had a kid 😢
A team and B team was pretty funny back in the day, I took over raid leading for B team and we passed the A team causing MASS drama and the A team just left the guild and formed their own guild lol.
That’s tale as old as time
Back when I played my guild used a system where you were classified in tiers based on attendance and performance. We had Core Raiders, Raiders, Off spec. To reach Core Raider you had to maintain a very high attendance rate like 95% raid attendance over 2 months and receive majority vote from Officers, you could demote very easily from this. Raider was just a week of showing up. So for each piece of loot you would roll depending on which group you fell into. So the first rolls were Core Raiders. If no one rolled then Raiders, then if no one needed there then people could roll for their off specs. We were 3rd best on the server but it was clear the #1 guild Gentlemens Club used us to gear out new recruits or even alts because we had no shortage of people who would join reach Raider rank and then usually they would end up geared up within a month and then quit and next time we'd see them they were in GC on their 3rd or 4th raid group.
I still think this was the best loot system for a guild. Even though some people thought it was just to show favoritism... when 15-20 people fall into the highest category it's hard to say it was actually favoritism. Occasionally we would favor a main tank for loot though cuz you need the tank to be able to handle the harder fights better but it would be voted on by the entirety of the Core Raiders.
Razorgore 15 years ago was a whole different ball game, we weren't all min/max spec with good gear. A lot of people didn't even know what stats were good back then never mind which gear to wear.
Not to mention the talent trees pre 1.12
Even just getting everyone is a Teamspeak or ventrillo was a pain in the ass. Most people didn't have an internet connection and PC that were capable of handling everything lmao.
I remember thottbot/wowhead being very prevalent from the beginning. Also mandatory add on checks for MC and beyond, that automated every aspect of the game within the bounds of the TOS, while bogging down system performance. I wish I had found one of these chill communities people reminisce on, ish was wack af
That's not taxes... resetting points is bailouts.
That's what I was thinking.
funded by taxes
When he mentioned “Vent” I had flashbacks to MOP/ WoD before Discord was a thing
Bro... "his Microwave is Broken so he can't Raid" LOL
"his fish drowned" killed me too hahaha
Viking Thunder and the poor hamster :(
I didn't start raiding until Cata, but those are still my favorite raids. Probably a mix of the nostalgia of them being my first raids, but I thought they were actually cool, too
My experience was completely the opposite, people who were raging were laughed at and called spergs, and they were kicked out. Everyone was very good and they knew what they were doing, and raging idiots were meant wasting time and comms getting sabotaged with nonsense that did not provide relavant info towards what we were supposed to be doing. I think the issue was most guilds were made up of teenagers instead of adults in their 30ies or 40ies
The Cloudsong rage is from Dark Age of Camelot, man that brings me back to old school MMO times.
"You saved up all week for a flask..." That half sentence right there, that's the reason why I probably won't play BC.
flask are cheap in tbc i was using chromatic in pvp . Its literally like getting a mongoose pot
Flasks didn't go away when you died in BC. 2 flasks per progression night. Unless you were me - the offtank/dps warrior, in which case FUCKEN 18 FLASKS AND 3 50G RESPECS A NIGHT I WANT TO DIE
@@danlorett2184 Hey if your guild/raid expects that from you, just send them the bill.
@@Numbers_Game Yeah most guilds I raided with did actually pay for my respecs, no lie
Uh. There are flasks in classic.
As a non-WoW player, hearing of things that would cause entire clans (guilds) to split blows my mind, typically the reason for groups to die off is 99% inactivity and like .1% is from serious issues/implications
Never got through WoW enough to do raiding (Tried to level up a char to max, got pretty bored after reaching level 60 and having barely encountered more than 1 person per zone.) but I used to do a lot of Destiny raiding and the thing about having to deal with those same 1-3 people is so true. Especially in Destiny when raids are literally only 6 people so each person has to do things perfectly for you to pass. I vividly remember starting a raid at 7pm and finally finishing it at 3am the following day. These raids are maybe meant to last an hour or two at most.
28:28 lol, I came from the EU DAOC and saw so much Ninja looting over the years.
Pellinor Hib! Wow doesn't know ninja lootz
DAoC was a fun game with some cool classes.
@@1RightTurnClyde with the best pvp of any mmo
@@akarminius Truth! I had a little blue dude named Bugz. He was a Rogue/assassin. I used a Two hand sword and loved it when I'd one hit cloth wearers LoL. There are a lot of things about that game that could be used in WoW to make it better IMHO.
@@1RightTurnClyde kobold shadowblade. Those 2hand perfs straight ripped! I had a elf Nightshade. I would sit at emain all mile gate and one shit casters as their group ran through. They would be running speed 5 and run right past me, their wizard would die. I would keep running straight and 75% of the time escape to restealth.
Had a guy named Blu who would scream CONSTANTLY at every little blip. Love that guy. Long live Eversor
i think a fun raid boss would be a copy paste of your group into NPC format/ like your team has to face a bunch of NPCs that copy your team with all its abilities and health and you have to beat them as a group. were talking everything down to the stats of your armor.
I remember a guild on Stormscale back in the days was stuck on Razorgore for months. Also Vaelastrasz took around 3 minutes by the first kill for some guilds. In classic Vael is killed in 15 seconds.
I think there are 3 tiers of players that you can go onto a raid with:
1) Have no clue what they`re doing - where should i stand? what is aggro? who do i heal and who do i not heal? how do i get back to the raid after we wipe?
2) Have a clue what they`re doing
3) Minmaxers - wont do first Kara boss without everyone in the raid being in full rares.
As long as your group is in the second category and have a lot of patience then you`re golden. I always thought Kara was difficult because how everyone in the guild was preparing for it and planning. One day me and friends were just doing some quests or bg to get some better items and we loosely talked about an idea of grinding trash in Kara for some loot. Whatever would drop from them would be much better than we already had. So we assembled the group, had druid tank in half greens and we did some trash and since it was going on we decided to try and tackle one of the first bosses (a spider?). Went well, noone died. So we tried another. And so on and couple hours later we were struggiling with the prince. Few attempts and we decided to call it but for what we had that was a great achievement. But we were focused, no rush, proper leadership, great coordination, everyone understood what they were doing. That was the most fun i had with that game.
Every other raid or dungeon i did i felt like people had no patience. One wipe and there was always someone leaving the group because reasons. You assemble a group for a 5man, you accidentally wipe on 2nd boss and then someone leaves and you`re locked to that dungeon. Waiting 15 minutes for someone else to join but in the meantime second char leaves.
I was once doing a raid in Nyalotha and was doing great, the boss was about to die when another player purposely put the debuff on the floor killing three of us including me, when I called him out on it I was told to never talk during fights or I'm not going to raid with them ever again. Boss was had less than 3% HP and we only had 3 people down, and everyone was pretty full on health, didnt make a difference, they even tried to with-hold loot from me for the raid because I "spoke out of turn", as only the Raid Leader and the Tanks are allowed to talk during raids unless we are on break or asking for loot.
Hes right about that having fun thing. When i played wow the game was fun for me sure. but if i was in a dungeon or a raid the fun was only given if nobody fucked up. Its just frustrating to die 5 Times in a row.
I was our third tank/dps warrior in BC, and we breezed thru almost everything. Even killed Vashj/Kael before they nerfed BT attunement. Then we get to Illidan and we spend THREE WEEKS wiping because our OT just CANNOT tank the flames correctly. She actually quit the game and I had to farm a fire resist set over the weekend. I was super worried - it must be super hard, right? NOPE. You walk backwards in a curved figure 8. That's it. I screwed up the first time I tried, then never screwed it up again. The whole guild was like "wait... did we just clear all of T5 and almost all of T6 with a potato OT and we NEVER NOTICED?"
You weren't made for raiding then, the ability to run into a wall for 8 hours straight without losing your mind is a requirement for raiders. Raiding is about prgress, not non-fuckery, although fuckery can definently make it less fun, and in that case get a better guild.
@@omega1231 I agree!
Being on a winning team is fun and rewarding.
Being on a losing team is occasionally fun but is not rewarding.
Being a cog in a winning machine is rarely fun but is rewarding.
Being a cog in a losing machine is hell.
Lots of raid leader freakouts just make me wonder why these people are playing with other people at all.
I quit early Cata as well, though I didn't even make it to raiding. At the end of Wrath I remember I still had a couple pieces of Naxx gear and my main was raiding with people's alts. We had blind DKP auctioning and 'inner circle' people getting loot on their alts before core members which contributed to that. Since I had attended about 85% of my guild's raids before getting moved to the alt group I was too sour to raid in Cata.
The Cloudsong was DAoC loot. Was un-frigging real hard to get in a artifact raid when they initially came out. Ninja'ing one was literally grounds for going to the guys house and ramming a knife into his throat.
16:07 he's right, happened to me in icc yesterday, some people don't take it that seriously and end up wasting time and making it bad for others.
but whats funny is, people like you who take a game serious... make it bad for the others who just play for fun.
Rather than throwing bitch fits, maybe keep your cool and always remember... *Its a fucking game* :)
On Balnazzar EU there was this guild called Above and Beyond. They were second and third on the server and existed since ending of vanila/ begining of TBC.
In WotLK heir leader Jupiter just took Mimiron'shead and disbanded the guild. Biggest drama that Dalaran witnessed since Arthas killed Antonidas in WC3. 🤣
Our solution to having an A team and B team in Kara was to call them Team B and Team 2. They were constantly both terrible at different chances.
I want my bosses as hard as it gets - I love the Dark Souls like feels after beating a boss after tons of trys. Those were the most epic moments in teamspeak back then
Blue Dawn was the biggest I was in 2 years after vanilla they had like 6,000 members
I’ve seen the broodlord lasher break a lot of guilds on the BWL raid on Pservers the boss right after the suppression room. But Pservers are a bit harder than classic so
With the itmimization and Talent trees before patch 1.12 Razor was pretty hard for guilds entering the bwl tier. The healers had mana isues and the raid often lacked DPS to kill all the adds in time. so hunters had to kite the dragonkins in p1+p2 and the raid had to kill the leftover ones after the boss was down, often wiping on those adds after razor was killed and then having to corpserun to get the loot.
also Raids often had less dps in generall given to the lack of Knowledge in the games Overall meta
imagine playing classic and auto-attacking the same mob for hours and unironically finding that enjoyable
YEP
Wand go brrr
I mean those people that play classic could say "Imagine playing retail and doing the same minute shit every single day for over saturated loot that 90% of the time is going to get scrapped or disenchanted, and finding that enjoyable." Honestly so done with both forms of WoW till shadowlands, we all suffering.
@@Preacher_., you have always been able to get pre-raid bis and catch up gear
@@neverlucky5444 COCK
I remember raiding MC in classic and our tank, once fully geared, left the guild and sold his account.
12:12 I remember having a raid leader that would not scream, ever. But if you fucked up too much for the guild's standard (our officers were helping him watch everyone else in the raid aswell), oh man, he had words for you that nobody would ever forget.
tbh karazhan was kinda easy , it got harder later with BT/sunwell and some others etc - most guilds did 2 teams OF A AND B , a was fast progress/gear , b team would try best but be like 3 bosses behind main , but when 25 came would merge back or if people slack in a team , would swap around to b team etc
Love how Asmon talks about vanilla raiding like he even did it as current content back then...
6:15 it's funny because, in Wrath I had that situation with ICC 25, where the A team was clearing and the B team was stuck on stupid shit. So, some of us on the B team decided to split and do our own HEROIC ICC 10. We pour sweat and blood into clearing it, and as soon as the heroic Arthas achievement showed up in the guild chat, people from the B team started to bitch that they wanted their share of the "experience"....
nothing new we had this shit happen in Cata , split our 25man to form a 10man hc group and drama followed hahaha. Can't carry the shit players sadly. Cleared all expansion content in quite fast pace afterwards.
Same thing here.
I haven't seen videos that actually talk about the raid scene at the start of Cata - it's just always some vague thing that disbanded guilds when it was a lot more complicated:
10/25 mans now shared a lockout. No more breaking up your 25 man team up to run 10 man each week for loot - done to try to prevent the burnout that came from Wrath for many guilds. Caused a lot of guilds to scale down to 10 man thinking it would be easier [especially since loot was now the same between both sizes] but they were wrong because -
10 man, especially heroic, was as hard or harder than 25 man. The raids were deeply unbalanced and 10 man simply can't have the same range of class selection/numbers of a necessary class. Cata at the start was really heavy on some mechanics like interrupts and fun fact, Pally tanks [what I mained] didn't get a stand-alone interrupt that was off our standard rotation until about 6-7 weeks in. Just the lack of foresight into something so simple made it more of a slog [classes lacking interrupts made even doing some heroic 5 man bosses a pita if the group didn't know and didn't bring the right classes at launch]. There were more balancing issues that really faced 10 man raid teams, especially in heroic, but even for normal, many guilds felt like they were suddenly slamming into a brick wall and gave up.
Glitchy as all get out. It felt like some of these encounters had never been tested. Looking at you, Blind Dragon in BWD. Or Al'Akir - where on the world first, half the raid was sitting out the fight for a while.
On top of all of this, the changes to healers felt exceptionally punishing and just exacerbated the situation even more.
Cata was a giant, buggy, unbalanced mess when it launched. Personally, despite all of this, I liked the harder content, but it definitely didn't make it user friendly, especially since people had become accustomed to joining random groups and the always running PUGs of Wrath days. People were impatient and didn't want to learn the new heroic 5 man fights, not understanding why they were wiping when in their minds, everything had been easy before. Forgotten was the fact that LFD was added in Wrath way after launch when people out-geared the content and already knew it minus the ICC 5 mans. Yes, some bosses in the 5 mans were overtuned by a little - but mostly it was a combination of untested content, lack of patience, guilds wanting to scale down, and lack of content outside of group stuff that really broke down a lot of guilds from what I saw.
Once some friends/guildies and I joined a literal "J" team after our previous mythic guild fell apart between WoD and Legion... we joined a mass community guild (Current Online) which had like 13 or so different raiding teams, and by adding us, we helped them shoot up in ranks, cleared heroic first week with them, and convinced them to push mythic 2 weeks later, and soon they began overtaking every other guild in the community and soon become the B team :P probably would of been the A team in the time we cleared mythic, but the A team had a headstart and had downed Xavius before we got to it (they were already progressing Mythic a good solid month before we joined the guild)
I'll never forget ninja-looting the Black Drake from OS 10 man back in Wrath, the rage was amazing
I don't even watch wow but I love listening to this guy talk about what he's passionate about
God loot drama really show cases how unstable some people in the MMO community are. You can call it "love" for the game but it goes waaaay deeper than that.
Considering some of the crybabies you see who can't handle mean words in WoW these days I don't know if I'd want to listen to their crying about not being hand fed gear...
And people call dnd rpg horror stories surreal.
@@destroyerinazuma96 DND however is usually an in person event, that makes it much worse.
For some people it was basically their life, they spent thousands of hours Bro.
I honestly never really used vent or anything back when I played WoW. I just looked up the fights, memorized everything and just got good. And whenever the groups would wipe, I’d just be sitting there laughing knowing nobody would hear it, since I mostly just played to have fun and enjoy the game. But of course I did play seriously when I had to, and I would always be among the last raid members left due to never giving up when everyone else quite. Man the memories. 😋
Someone in the chat wrote “5 man MC?”
“Oh my sweet summer child”.
Oh to not know about pre raid panels for grouping 🤣
if i remember right we hade 3 teams at the start at TBC then we did go down to 2 to cover the 25m once
I raided because I did nothing more than prove my merit. I went through attunement quests, tank for B team, be the side-tank for A team... I was at the bottom of the totem pole and grinded up that ladder for the guild until I showed how I could hold my ground as the main tank. That sort of things gives you a lot of pride.
I did exactly what Asmon said, I left a guild on Classic cos there was loot issues all the time. Personally I had enough when we had people waiting for a weapon drop and when there finally was one someone who already had an epic weapon from Molten Core won it just because they had the most dkp. It was not fair in my opinion cos he was very well geared and thus accumulating a shit ton of dkp each raid and could cherry pick whatever he wanted. There were other people there besides me who weren't as well geared. I did try to gear up, I didn't have all the time in the world to do so but I had the uttermost shittiest luck with dungeons. I literally had my first raid drop, won with dkp, on fucking January cos I missed 1-2 raids before that and lost so much dkp that I had hard time accumulating it to the level were I could even compete with new raiders(!). I liked classic on general but I surely chose the wrong guild to play with. They were all full of this "Yes we will help people get the attunements and loot" They did not help anyone outside their little group of 5. And somehow it was our fault that we were not done with the attunement to BWL within the first day or something?? And ofc it was my fault that I had real life duties that I needed to do and miss a raid once or twice in 4 months and then be called "selfish obnoxious bitch" for voicing my frustration. Yeah I left soon after that and I have not played since.
Introduced in Mists of Pandaria, Personal loot is the default for all group content.
After watching this, I don’t think I’ll ever do a raid
Nerfed was the OG #1 guild, with Void lapping at their heels :p
Wow - My Guild actually killed Cho'Gall pre-nerve and Almost Nefarian but Nefarian Pre-Nerve was not too hard, and beatable, if you KNEW what you need to do... I remember Catas first Raid Tier fondly :D
I remember when my guildmaster had to roll hunter just for stuff like this.
Hundreds of thousands of views every video glad to see years later you still are kicking
In Vanilla my guild was pretty damn good. Come BC the "best" thought they could clear Kara pretty fast but fucked up a lot and there ended up with the top 10 being group one for gear, next best being group 2 until we got to group 4. I was the top pally healer in Vanilla in our guild, beat healing against the top pally on our server who was in the top 47 guild in the world. Group 4 ended up with our best tank, dps and healing finished group 1 by weeks. the guild leaders from then on made us priorities in every 25.
The barrier to entry of raiding is what made it prestigous, as soon as lfr came, the value of being in a guild fell of a cliff further destroying the social fabric of the game without strong mutual benefits for players this is a totally different game.
Razorgore back in the day was a major diversion from the normal tank and spank that almost ALL of MC was, so when you enter this new raid, you expect to just have to tank and spank Razorgore and BOOM, Nope.
Man i loved BC, became mage class lead, and i was Group A Raid leader in Karazhan, everyone always wanted in if ppl didnt show lol good times
Raiders had very little capability for movement back in Vanilla. Lots of keyboard turners. And Razorgore required movement.
I specifically remember logging in, doing the LFR in Cata and being like "wait... so I just beat the game? Okay..." and stopped playing for ages lol.
That's equivalent of playing Witcher on easy and saying you beat the game. No man, you saw the story you didn't beat anything.
@@brkus2665 As spoken in the video. People can do something and say theyve completed it. Some people only want the story, others strive for PVP. All because he didnt do the DUngeons or the Raids doesnt mean he hasnt done what he strived to do.
@@brkus2665 I mean you can 100% all of Witcher's content on easy so I don't get your point. Also, with some builds on Witcher 3 Death March was pretty damn easy.
Lol, the guild I was in up until a couple weeks ago had only logged 1 Razorgore kill. I just didn't participate in there BWL night because it was sad to watch. Also it was on a sunday, like who the hell raids on a sunday.
At the start of TBC when I got pulled in randomly to cover for a healer while I was in okay gear for being a fresh 70 for a kara run. Pulled decent numbers and not dying to mechanics lead to me getting funneled with gear and got decked out in one run. Ended up becoming the Healing officer of our guild till mists. Random call ups can make or break a wow career xD
Also Loot council, had plenty of bs when it came to loot. Nostolgic, but wouldn't wanna deal with it again. /roll imo is the best way and cata was easy ;D
OMFG RETRODRUID. Tichondrius represent. I was in the raid where she took hand of rag for herself (as a fill in). Was like wtf when she took it. I wasnt a class even use it but still was like "wow"
The raids are too hard I wish I had it in me to grind out being able to do them. I love wow but man the end game is crazy
I didn't know Attunement trash could respawn until I watched a friend on TBC Classic and noticed how the people had issue killing Attunement...
I remember once been so mad ad someone, that I called out every mechanic and Hard mode in Wrath... I made a very angry paint drawing explaining the tactic, so even a gold fish could understand.
I'm pretty sure Personal Loot was released in WoD, do people could count the Pre-patch as Mist.
F Mythic Kil'jaeden I never wanna do him anymore
I dig the final fantasy 10 music in the background
I played WoW solo most of the time, but the one time I joined a guild was just after an expansion. I grinded one char, a mage, to max level, and was geared ahead of the rest of my guild, so my GM and his officer clique, asked if I could make a healer as a backup character for raiding. So I leveled a second character while they geared their one character in 5 mans, and by the time my healer reached max level, the guild and the clique had grown and they set a minimum gear level and neither of my chars was allowed to come, so I gquit straight away. And I quit WoW a couple days later because I was burned out from leveling 2 characters back to back.
The reason heroic raggy was so special is because it was the first NOT overtuned boss tha tbeat you due to difficulty of execution rather then just the numbers not matching up
KJ myth was a way different and stupidly stupid beast, a bit too much in my opinion seeing as it was also the boss that nerved addons for good.
My guild in Classic used a "loot council" system... Never again
not everyone can get carried by there guild like you Asmongold
17:14 that's my old EU guild Onslaught on Earthern Ring wtf?
I would like to add my piece to this whole thing. I was on the Draka server for several years. I went through 2 guilds, the two best guilds on that server.
The first was Against All Odds, which died after our "Raid Leader" stopped showing up to raids and never invited new people to fill in the places of people leaving out of frustration. I left some time mid-Legion I believe.
Second guild was Quintessence, and that guild was pretty great! I had a really good time there. Except the GM was a fucking huuuuge pushover and would break his back to please his wife. Around the lauch of BFA, they both abandoned the guild and server entirely to be on Frostmourne or some shit.
After that we left Draka entirely because Draka is a dead-ass server with shitty economy and no guilds left.
When I was about 10 years younger I remember seeing my dad get kicked out of a guild for not doing enough damage because he had been falling asleep at the computer from playing 18 hours in a day. He's not one to have played more than 8 and that's on a weekend. Still gut wrenching to remember seeing how upset he was over that.
Aw man. I felt that a bit. Your dad sounds like a hard worker
On netherwing my guild likes to throw the tainted core to the guy kiting the strider for the luls
the kiting method for razorgore made it so much harder than it had to be
I raid lead a lot, and I scream at my raiders comically. Usually... But it's usually so over the top it lightens the mood for people when wipes and mistakes happen. (Lots at Soccer boss rn.)
Anyone ever watch the old troxxed videos from back in burning crusade? They’re here on RUclips. Guild leader of war ensemble(cleared sunwell) he was a psycho and played into it perfectly for his short lived RUclips series. I still find it hilarious
My guild broke up because our 2nd in command caught our GM buying gold and called the GM out on it. The GM kicked them out. I was a 3rd in command rank and also quit because I was outraged which caused a bunch of other members to quit as well. We didn't even raid lol
I seem to be one of the very few who Cataclysm *(until DS went on for literally like a year) was the best xpac our guild ever played
Raiding is so different in FFXIV. I wonder if Asmon wouldve enjoyed The Coils of Bahamut. That was such a fun and difficult set.
This is making me miss 14 raiding now, world of darkness was so fun. I played heavily before 3.0 but I kinda fell off after stormblood.
At least your gm wanted to raid my first one sit in the front yard of the company house and rp with his gf in his lap. Had to transfer servers with a friend to get into a raiding fc.
(Think I got my grammar)
Archaic? That was on burning blade!
He might've been talking about Forgotten Heroes, who ended up on another server
I'm nostalgic about this post! But I don't think he is talking about Burning Blade. FH left in classic during Naxx, and we remained competitive until the end of Cata.
That final fantasy "inn theme" at the beginning kicked in the nostalgia for sure.
I still remember a guild in BC that I quit over greedy leadership. I joined and was told that I was on a 2 week no raid loot probation. I was an undergeared Holy Paladin, but was performing better than some of the geared healers. Finally my day arrives... I can get loot. The officers decided who got loot based on performance or need. Knowing that I was doing really well with the crap gear I had... I was sure to get loot to increase performance based on gear level. I see a mace drop which was a major upgrade... Don't get it. I see 3 set tokens drop that I could use... Nope. The person who got it was an officer alt that was gearing up as a back-up tank. The mace did him no good as a tank since this was after the BC Paly change. Ohh and he had 2 of the 3 tanking set pieces anyways and turned them in for healing gear. I told them that if they were wanting to gear up an alt characters alt spec over a main raiders, raiding spec... They will have to do it without me and /gquit. Turns out, this night was the death of the guild. I was told that many people came to my support and were told that if they didn't like it, join me. They did. I was later asked to come back and told that any healing gear that drops was mine. My response was just "Ohh you need members huh? No thanks. I don't want to gear your officers up" The guild split about a week later after the leadership turned on each other.
I've been with my guild since wotlk and its still running today. Now there has been drama and stuff. But it never disbanded.
Razorgore was a step up because he wasn't, to quote the video, a wait for 3 sunders then zerg boss, or a one mechanic boss like all of MC cept Rag. Those rages that used to occur when a tank train was broken or the Razorgore controller screwing up all occurred often and frequently.
If I could call a boss a guild killer for this tier it would be Xanesh. Not because she's hard, she's fucking easy, but because you need to get people used to kicking the ball. All it takes is one mistake on mythic to wipe the entire raid. And that gets very frustrating, very quickly. My guild actually kicked some players because they didn't want to do the boss, which made us bring in newer players, which made us wipe most of the night losing progress time on Vex.
12:52 gunny is that you, is that you John Wayne is this me?
My guild kicked about half our raid team from the guild on archimonde in TBC, we pillaged top raiders from other guile’s to fill back up. Can’t have idiots in high level content, we finished sunwell top 100 though so it was all good
Mythic Gorefiend killed quite a few guilds. Only reason my guild progressed through it is because we were able to pick up skilled people from the remnants of broken teams lol.
I quit in cataclysm not because it was too hard. It was fine. But I quit as soon as mop was announced. I snapped out of my hypnosis and realized that wow was headed further downhill. I went on a big rant in Trade then cancelled my sub and never looked back. I haven’t played in like ten years and just recently came back and am playing tbc as a tank. We will see how long it lasts
Anyone get the thought of if the whole raid group was yourself? Not in mythics mostly as my guilds good but when getting alts up and everyone runs to the middle or to wrathion in a lfr...