I started WoW 2 weeks after BC launched. My brother was just going through the portal whilst I was in thousand needles. Every so often he would come to me to show off his awesome looking items and regale me of floating island in a beautiful meadow or spiky mountains with dragons impaled on them , giant mushrooms in a swamp or a massive robot that walked around stomping on people. I was so fucking jealous it fueled me to catch up . Felt like months later I was in a 10 man split raid in Kara racing to win and learning Gruul council positioning, swimming down a long tunnel for my first SSC run , being a rogue in MH and fucking hating all those with AOE... just a great fun time with nothing handed to you .
The problem with Boosting and GDKP runs is that there's RAMPANT, UNPUNISHED Botting + Gold Buying & Selling... If everyone was playing legitimately, it would be Emergent Gameplay. But as it stands it's just a "Who can swipe their credit card the fastest.
Exactly as you said, the problem is not with Boosting or GDKP, it's with botting and gold rmt trading. Both of which are against TOS. So being against Boosting and GDKP makes no sense, being against botting does. And I have yet to meet a single person that is OK with botting(who does not do it actively).
If he's going onto a PvP Server and streaming it, I can 100% say that his experience is going to be like it was in Vanilla, except its far worse because people will be able to fly and just pin down anywhere you'd be flying to. Him doing netherwing rep grind on stream would be a living nightmare.
exactly when I came back after many years, I was so surprised how everyone is just advertising boosts and all that shit. It won't be this bad in BC though (for the first months or year), much worse in retail where its all about boosting
@@Magerquark Yeah, the 60-70 bracket doesn't really lend itself to boosting. Maybe some mages will be pushing people through Slave Pens in low 60s, but A) you still need rep from all the factions, B) heroics are a thing, and C) despite the epic mount cost, gold isn't as important in TBC. You need less gold overall compared to the supply. So it will not be as attractive to make gold from selling runs.
kills almost all the excitement when they're already talking about going to other starting areas and having boe's lined up to power level and afk level in dungeons...
Paying game currency to a wizard to kill things for you is something you could probably even do in Dungeons and Dragons. Paying for in game gold is like bribing the Dungeon Master off with cash. Not the same.
I disagree with asmon about run selling. I wanted to do the thrash blade quest which means I'd have to kill princess in maradon. No matter how hard I tried, nobody wanted to run the dungeon normally because the level 60 mage aoe farm kite runs were all anyone cared about. It got so bad that I offered 100 gold to anyone who would be in the group to help finish the dungeon, but nobody took the offer. I've been babyraging at boosters ever since. Edit: the aoe farms kill mobs only. No bosses.
Selling runs may have the possibility of creating a player group of people who appear to be capable of completing content they're geared for but aren't. Cause they bought the runs. You spend time making groups some people might not like finding half their group boosted and losing time to wipe or whatever happens idk maybe there is at least one negative affect.
@@saltyslayer8228 Of course, they never had the chance, or time to master their abilities or to learn tactics among other things. cause they bought some gold from a chinese farmer who boosted to 58 and just stood there in deadmines and stockades.
15:40 No no no. The buyer gives you the reagents and you trade the Primal Might right away. Have a Primal Might in your inventory already. You can say something like: "I still have 1 hour of CD, but you can have this one already without waiting for it." And you can transmute outside of the group in peace.
Selling runs does have a negative impact on both other players and the game itself. It literally, in practice, actively reduces the amount of players trying to form groups on their own or even going out in the world to quest, because why do that if you can just wait in a capital city for someone you can pay for a boost? So it kills the joy and interesting dynamics of forming groups and finishing dungeons by your own efforts. The trade-off is not worth it. Yes it's efficient but it kills the heart of the game which is leveling, interacting with other players and going out to an adventure in the world. I have never once gone out of a paid boosting session and felt "wow that was fun" or a feeling of accomplishment and reward. It always sucks, and it will always suck the joy out of the leveling experience. (It also creates unnecessary class imbalance as it gives too much power to mages, but I digress.) I think it should be banned or at least be properly restricted, for example have it so that you can only be paying for a boost once a week(I haven't given too much thought about a perfect solution, but it's absolutely not a hard problem to solve). It's fine to be boosted or to boost someone every once in a while. But the whole playerbase should not be able to abuse it as much as it has been in classic, since the whole experience is designed to be more than just the end game - that's one of the main reasons we want to play classic expansions. Also ban botting obviously.
so i am the type to boost my character thru carries but i do agree with the fact that it encourages gold buying. personal experience: on my server (bigglesworth) 9/10 carries i get are also gold sellers. they barely speak english and sell the gold they make on the internet. they all know eachother no matter how much times its been in the expansion or what alt im on its the same people doing the carries with no end in sight because they admit they arent spending it on in game things they are simply making real money through a job.
I dunno, I would say runs do affect players that don't participate in them to some extent, since it's less players they can make an actual party with if they want to experience the dungeon at a proper level.
Of course selling runs has impact on others, as normal player you dont find as easy people for elite quests and normal dungeon runs. And imagine you are new to the game, this could maybe be a point where some quit because they have a hard time finding groups.
The argument Asmon used for selling runs can literally be applied to world buffs so we should keep them as is. It's an emergent gameplay that wasn't designed by the devs and the players created and chose to take part in. That doesn't make it good or healthy to the game.
@@Drianikaben it's always funny these guys always say things like "They should have changed X or Y" then when something changes they don't entirely super agree with they act like it's doom and gloom. Or something gets brought in they don't like but still use. Like the boost, they have but still used. I don't like the boost and refuse to use it haha. Like pick a lane and stand by what you believe.
19:40 sorry Asmon, but selling runs does encourage gold buying. It is just like a drug addict looking for ways to get cash quick, so they can get their fix. The addict steals from their parent's bank account, rather than take the time to work an honest job.
Anything that requires gold encourages gold buying. Having consumables encourages gold buying. Mount training costing gold encourages gold buying. Doesn't mean we should remove them.
He knows selling runs is bad for the game, of course it is. he just wants to do it so he can level up alts quickly. The real truth, is any idiot would know it's bad for the game. It's irrelevant weather it's a player choice or not within the game, or out of it. If someone can get 100 gold instead of 1 silver for a kill they will. But since the game wasn't designed around that % things go by too quickly, suddenly every vendor you used to buy things from now is worthless. Power leveling enables the Chinese farmers to bot it up even quicker. you're going to see allot, and I mean allot of them more than in vanilla. power leveling through a dungeon has become random dungeon finder for classic. It's abbused in this way and worse. The degredation of the questing aspect of the game is potent. "Those who choose to quest will do so still" No, no they won't. because they don't want to be left behind. So Most people who wanted to level slow, who wanted to level through the game will now take the fast route so they aren't left behind. I think asmongold is cool, but on this he is very VERY wrong. he's also happy with the boost to 58 as well, pleased about it . Also says there is nothing wrong with it. It's clear he just wants to be able to get quick levels for the sake of content, and getting it done quiclkly. It is not good for the game in any way, and therefor it can and WILL only do harm.
14:25 What amuses me around this part is that alot of the chat seems to think farming up 10k gold before TBC release is ridiculous and/or too hard. We already know with high certainty that TBC will launch sometime in summer, with datamining hinting at prepatch coming in mid-late May. That realistically gives us around 2 months before TBC launch, probably even longer. That's minimum 2 months of farming enough gold to buy both base flying and epic flying - which together cost around 6k gold - before the expansion even comes out. So frankly: Those people that are OmegaLuling and raging at Asmon's comment - they probably don't realize how much gold they could earn in 2 months if they were determined to earn it.
When all your new expansions bomb one after another so bad that you just have to release the old expansions a 2nd time until we're up to date with 2nd retail WoW lmfao.
People have already said this enough, but I guess it needs repeating one more time... it's stopping at Wrath. I've seen hundreds of people asking for Wrath, and not a single soul asking for anything past that. Blizzard isn't dumb enough to release classic edition of an expansion with zero demand.
@@johannhowitzer I’ve definitely seen people ask for cata but overall you are right overwhelmingly people want it to stop at wrath. I saw one guy asking for legion on Reddit lmaoooooooo
actually one thing i don't like asmon says is that selling runs is good for the game. If there weren't bots ruinning the economy of the game in the first place not a lot of players would sell runs... like for real atm selling runs is the only way to make gold and i really don't like it.
Because when it comes to carries you need to put in in game (read: IN GAME) time and effort to get in game rewards. Unless you're a streamer people don't send you gold for free. You need to farm it. Buying a paid boost with your credit card means you're putting in non in-game time and effort for in game rewards.
I have no problem with people selling runs. I remember when I was new to classic I was in the middle of running RFC and all of my friends were busy. A nice hunter came to the entrance of the instance and offered to run me through it for 2 gold. He let me keep all the loot too and it got me caught up with my friends. Worth it!
Asmon tends to disregard certain problems in order to justify his behaviour. Selling runs is bad for some players, namely the ones trying to find a group for a dungeon while leveling. The people that are looking for boosts won't look for a proper group to do the dungeon. It's obviously harmful, doesn't matter if it's emergent player behaviour or not.
19:40 gold for runs is literally paying gold to skip content, its fundementally different from buying boe's etc. not to mention once an economy runs amok like it has on classic, getting the amount of gold it takes, almost completely incentivize rmt. Buying a run for an alt for quests etc. - completely okay and normal. Buying complete runs to max lvl - insane gold cost, incentivizes rmt. recognizing the fact that the economy, botting etc. is a huge problem on classic. And then disregarding the fact that a lot of gold paying services in game are being used, but has no correlation, makes zero sense.
Selling runs encourages people to never learn their class. I could always tell in BC when somebody got boosted or bought their account, because they sucked ass at the game. One even bought an account with a full-T5 warrior, and couldn’t even tank Karazhan.
@@Tory-JJ for starters there’s crowd control mechanics they never learn, which is huge in BC, threat management, positioning, which crap to not step in... basically everything besides pushing buttons 1-6.
"10,000 should be the amount of gold you're looking at to go into tbc" I don't really play classic but I have like 200 max. I didn't get 10k+ gold until like legion probably
You have *at least* 2 months of playtime before TBC launches, which is plenty of time to get at least 6k gold for the base and epic flying mounts. This is literally what I've been doing since February when TBC was announced; I made a priest that I leveled to 60, and ever since it capped I've just been farming 2-3 hours per day on that character. I average about 50g/hour, which isn't an amazing amount by any stretch, but I've just reached 1000 gold and at my current pace I will reach 6k well before launch, will maybe even get to 7k. I would highly recommend you (or anybody else who happens to read this) to literally just log on WoW and start farming gold *right now.*
Preach already did a video.... he loved bc. Recently played the beta. He already is not feeling the same about it.... so stopped playing BC so it does not thwart his old memories of it. Technology changes, the fastness of games, etc. I think many will go back and still get easily frustrated as BC will still have plenty problems of its own.
As someone who mained a spacecow shaman for all of tbc.. the trainer in SW down by the water was absolutely a thing in tbc. If someone thinks I went to exodar EVERY SINGLE TIME I wanted to respec for an entire 2 years, your just wrong. xD
Blizz should just make it so. ALL players have to create a class (lev 59 or 60) and you cant transfer Gold or items from Classic to TBC Classic. Then people will be forced to play TBC Classic, levling- dungeons ect. All this “ehhhh you need atleast 20.000 k gold when it starts”, just ruins the experience of TBC. TBC was also for casuel player NOT only for low life players with No life outside the game. Its just too bad that TBC Classic will die as fast as Classic did because of theise people with 50.000 k Gold and the best gear in the game and then they cry about “ ehhhh there is nothing to do in this game”.
Asmon ruined his classic level experience big time and regreted it afterwards...and now he's planning to do the exact same thing again in BC 🤣 Rushing to 70 with dungeons...when most dungeon and raid attunements require several quests beforehand...sounds like a stupid plan and huge waste of time when you could do both hand in hand to be more efficient in the long run.
my issues with selling runs dont actually have to do with goldselling. zones and dungeons became barren. you could barely play the game unless you bought a run, and even then thats paying someone to play the game for you while you don't play.
The problem with selling runs is when the Xpac is halfway through, and I want to do dungeons etc. on an alt, but there's only 2 other people willing to run because everyone is getting boosted. Not only this, but the player base hits cap level, and gets geared way faster, resulting in not only more time gaps where there's low player population, but bots getting to cap faster, and building alt accounts faster (for when their main account gets banned). If boosting should be allowed, buying gold should be allowed.
I find that when people just buy runs it’s harder for people who don’t buy runs to find groups. I can’t tell you how many times Iv Posted in the LFG channel on my server only to get told to farm told and buy one you casual. Of course this only causes me to fall behind.
@@joshuawaugh7923 Then that means you found native, loyal true players by the sense of staying true to the roots of the game. They refused to destroy the community aspect of the game for some gold.
The only time I paid 1g for carrying was for one woyer quest. I could not find anybody who wanted to go through RFK. Most people will drop you like a bad habit when hearing someone else is running a carry.
Selling runs is like selling crafting materials, you're paying for the time. You are paying for a good or service. It is a free market. Anyone that doesn't understand this simultaneously affirms their ignorance.
Damn for a warrior he's got sense about mage boosting, it's a large aspect of the game people enjoy it and it doesn't crazily impact the economy for any one as its players passing gold among each other Then you have swarms of bots farming essences and brd pickpocketing, DMT tribute running and flood the markets with particular items and raw gold
Shows his lack of warrior knowledge again badge of the swarmguard lasts a warrior later into tbc than any other trinket, its so so good in some situations
I hate that I've been losing all good arguments against dungeon boosting. It's player interaction, circulates gold in the economy, it's technically accurate to vanilla, and it's basically impossible to do on your first character.
@@JDmix123 I used to play a hunter back then in BC it was really fun. If you can boost, I would probably choose Paladin cause the leveling takes soo long and Hunter leveling is fun
Play your class man, warriors are still plenty strong and they're God's in PvP. Hunters and Warlocks are going to be super saturated, and it'll be difficult to gear up... This is comming from someone who played a Mage in 2005 and remade his character for Classic(before knowing everyone and their mother would have a mage alt).. Rolling against 8 other mages for the same gear gets old fast.
I remember a few of my friends finished a full quest log of quests, mostly dailys, I think it was 25 quests, but they turned them all in when they logged in when the level cap is raised, gave them a nice little boost to 61.
Has it always been negative to sell runs? I started in Wrath and at max level sure I made bank selling ports, but on occasion I ran new players though stuff like stockades, hogger, I think MC a couple times but that was maybe Cata idk and I didn't gouge prices but no one ever seemed to case back then at least on my garbage server lol
Yes, selling dungeon runs to power-boost is emergent behavior. But it's behavior that many games intentionally prevent because it trivializes the content of the game. And that matters. I'm not blaming the players for playing the game the way it's given to them. But Blizzard should prevent power-boosting for the same reasons many games prevent power-boosting. This is not a novel concept.
I really want to watch Asmon stream TBC leveling but I have to wonder if he's setting himself up for failure considering the constraints Outland provides. Unless he immediately starts to dungeon grind (which is pretty boring content after a while) I have to wonder what kind of nightmare Hellfire and even Zangarmarsh will be for him when streaming. I can already imagine how impossible things such as the Ring of Blood will be unless he has half the server backing him up.
From what Esfand has been saying it sounds like they wanna dungeon grind together and treat it like a laid back podcast... still boring but we’ll see. I think he mentioned popping out for ring of blood if they get far enough ahead or something
I know this was in context of Vanilla mostly but it goes for retail do. I spam report all those morons posting sales in the Groupfinder. It's a group finder to find groups not find a buyer. That's what Trade chat is for. To sell a trade
I disagree with Asmon here on how selling runs doesn't encourage gold buying with real world money. There's 2 things that happen: 1) The person making gold off the run can be a legit player just doing that to make gold. However there are PLENTY of bots doing runs with wall hacks. flying, and other shit that breaks the game that build up that gold to sell for real world cash. That gold is built up to strictly be sold along with rogue pickpocketing dungeon mobs and other botting processes that make gold. The demand for boosts keeps the income flowing in. 2) A person with a main character who just wants another toon at max level probably has gold on hand. A fresh player joining the game? They are stuck either leveling alone or getting a boost. They don't have gold. They check out some gold selling sites and see it's not as expensive as they thought so they spend some cash to get gold to get carried to 60 via boosting. I'm not suggesting EVERYONE does this but it is a thing that happens. The economy in WoW Classic has been fucked because the influx of gold that has been brought in from bots. 10k Gold in 2004-2007 meant you were a god. Nowadays GDKP runs auction off gear for that much. There was even a 198k bid on Gressil back in December. Boosts are just one part of a major problem that corrupts Classic. There are many other factors such as the bots,GDKP runs, and the min-max mentality causing consumables and the mats that make them to inflate to unbelievable prices. To those who say: "Just level normally, don't do a boost!"" That is for sure an option but when your buddies and their guild are all max level doing nothing but raid logging it's hard to stay engaged with the content. The majority of players who are max level currently probably have been since P1/P2 and had an actual community to interact with. These days generally people just level an alt with a boost which feeds into the cycle I mentioned above. Now I have heard some servers have come back to life with people leveling toons in preparation for TBC which is great! The problem is what will happen when most people reach max level and aren't leveling toons 2-3 months into TBC? I think the issue will be even worse. Attunement is no joke and having an alt go through that discourages leveling another character. This will make the leveling pretty dead, especially with Blizzard offering an official level boost to 58. Once again your option will be to get a boost from a mage/pally and who knows how much that will cost. I went on a bit of a rant here but overall I just think boosts(both dungeon and blizzard supported ones) are unhealthy for the game in general. They discourage community interactions and encourage the already insurmountable amount of bots to keep chugging along. As I said there are other factors that go into this but boosting is definitely an issue. At this point however I don't think there is a solution other than Blizz getting better about handling bots and fresh servers without a broken economy popping up.
Madseason is a heart of gold, genius, scholarly legend of a gentleman and he must be protected.
Big true
We didn't protect him enough 😔
Madseason sounds like If a Xanax smoked a joint
More like Xanax taking a worm of a dab, and maybe a bit of Numbutal for raiding.
So. . . . a doormat.
Xanax for life
I love all the drugs am I cool now too?
@@UnstoppableDWade No. Stick to lil debbie downers, junior.
Hobbs showing up in MadSeason's TBC video is like when Luke Skywalker turned up in The Mandalorian. The nostalgia hit hard.
I started WoW 2 weeks after BC launched. My brother was just going through the portal whilst I was in thousand needles. Every so often he would come to me to show off his awesome looking items and regale me of floating island in a beautiful meadow or spiky mountains with dragons impaled on them , giant mushrooms in a swamp or a massive robot that walked around stomping on people. I was so fucking jealous it fueled me to catch up . Felt like months later I was in a 10 man split raid in Kara racing to win and learning Gruul council positioning, swimming down a long tunnel for my first SSC run , being a rogue in MH and fucking hating all those with AOE... just a great fun time with nothing handed to you .
Bro you gave me goosebumps
Oh man, that nostalgia at the end. It's not often I smile enough to make my face hurt. I am so happy TBC Classic is coming out.
@@stu.chainz Ahh yes, because playing dated games is everything, whether or not they're good doesn't matter, as long as they are new.
@@stu.chainz I still occasionally play kotor.... [shrug]
sad pepe
@@stu.chainz Dated games are not bad games
The problem with Boosting and GDKP runs is that there's RAMPANT, UNPUNISHED Botting + Gold Buying & Selling...
If everyone was playing legitimately, it would be Emergent Gameplay. But as it stands it's just a "Who can swipe their credit card the fastest.
Exactly as you said, the problem is not with Boosting or GDKP, it's with botting and gold rmt trading. Both of which are against TOS. So being against Boosting and GDKP makes no sense, being against botting does. And I have yet to meet a single person that is OK with botting(who does not do it actively).
That guy's voice is just soo relaxing
It can even help u sleep
and then there are people like chat that think he sounds dead LUL
That asmond contrast tho
Talking Hobbs or Madseason or both?
ok simp
I'm in bed now bout to catch some ZZs
If he's going onto a PvP Server and streaming it, I can 100% say that his experience is going to be like it was in Vanilla, except its far worse because people will be able to fly and just pin down anywhere you'd be flying to. Him doing netherwing rep grind on stream would be a living nightmare.
I hate "Run sells" because it reduce the amount of people who want to do dungeons the old way.
exactly when I came back after many years, I was so surprised how everyone is just advertising boosts and all that shit.
It won't be this bad in BC though (for the first months or year), much worse in retail where its all about boosting
@@Magerquark Yeah, the 60-70 bracket doesn't really lend itself to boosting. Maybe some mages will be pushing people through Slave Pens in low 60s, but A) you still need rep from all the factions, B) heroics are a thing, and C) despite the epic mount cost, gold isn't as important in TBC. You need less gold overall compared to the supply. So it will not be as attractive to make gold from selling runs.
If you use questie, I don’t wanna hear the hypocrisy.
@@dantelabella9753 Not even fucking close to related
kills almost all the excitement when they're already talking about going to other starting areas and having boe's lined up to power level and afk level in dungeons...
selling tanking services as prot pally is the best and most fun way to make gold in tbc
Its weird but it made me happy to see his reaction on Hobbs. It was exactly my reaction
100% the nostalgia hit hard
Paying game currency to a wizard to kill things for you is something you could probably even do in Dungeons and Dragons. Paying for in game gold is like bribing the Dungeon Master off with cash. Not the same.
I disagree with asmon about run selling. I wanted to do the thrash blade quest which means I'd have to kill princess in maradon. No matter how hard I tried, nobody wanted to run the dungeon normally because the level 60 mage aoe farm kite runs were all anyone cared about. It got so bad that I offered 100 gold to anyone who would be in the group to help finish the dungeon, but nobody took the offer. I've been babyraging at boosters ever since. Edit: the aoe farms kill mobs only. No bosses.
Try to find a warlock thats gold farming mara, you can get kill quest and chance at blackstone ring.
@@fiercedingus1133??????
Selling runs may have the possibility of creating a player group of people who appear to be capable of completing content they're geared for but aren't. Cause they bought the runs. You spend time making groups some people might not like finding half their group boosted and losing time to wipe or whatever happens idk maybe there is at least one negative affect.
Crap players will be crap regardless of how fast they lvl
@@saltyslayer8228 Of course, they never had the chance, or time to master their abilities or to learn tactics among other things.
cause they bought some gold from a chinese farmer who boosted to 58 and just stood there in deadmines and stockades.
selling runs kills leveling zones
thats the only thing wrong with it
I dunno, man, everywhere I go, the zones are thriving with players. Leveling zones are alive and well.
15:40 No no no.
The buyer gives you the reagents and you trade the Primal Might right away.
Have a Primal Might in your inventory already.
You can say something like: "I still have 1 hour of CD, but you can have this one already without waiting for it."
And you can transmute outside of the group in peace.
31:25 is so epic and legendary.
Me: Downloads registered HyperCam with Kazaa premium which I downloaded through Kazaa free.
6:15 wtf that's the song from Deadly Premonition, one of my fave games
Life is Beautiful. Such a banger, have it as my ringtone
Selling runs does have a negative impact on both other players and the game itself. It literally, in practice, actively reduces the amount of players trying to form groups on their own or even going out in the world to quest, because why do that if you can just wait in a capital city for someone you can pay for a boost? So it kills the joy and interesting dynamics of forming groups and finishing dungeons by your own efforts. The trade-off is not worth it. Yes it's efficient but it kills the heart of the game which is leveling, interacting with other players and going out to an adventure in the world. I have never once gone out of a paid boosting session and felt "wow that was fun" or a feeling of accomplishment and reward.
It always sucks, and it will always suck the joy out of the leveling experience. (It also creates unnecessary class imbalance as it gives too much power to mages, but I digress.) I think it should be banned or at least be properly restricted, for example have it so that you can only be paying for a boost once a week(I haven't given too much thought about a perfect solution, but it's absolutely not a hard problem to solve). It's fine to be boosted or to boost someone every once in a while. But the whole playerbase should not be able to abuse it as much as it has been in classic, since the whole experience is designed to be more than just the end game - that's one of the main reasons we want to play classic expansions.
Also ban botting obviously.
so i am the type to boost my character thru carries but i do agree with the fact that it encourages gold buying. personal experience: on my server (bigglesworth) 9/10 carries i get are also gold sellers. they barely speak english and sell the gold they make on the internet. they all know eachother no matter how much times its been in the expansion or what alt im on its the same people doing the carries with no end in sight because they admit they arent spending it on in game things they are simply making real money through a job.
jesus when hobbs spoke my heart sank . good times man
I dunno, I would say runs do affect players that don't participate in them to some extent, since it's less players they can make an actual party with if they want to experience the dungeon at a proper level.
Asmon following the true woyer path and switching to hunter in tbc, this man is dedicated.
Of course selling runs has impact on others, as normal player you dont find as easy people for elite quests and normal dungeon runs. And imagine you are new to the game, this could maybe be a point where some quit because they have a hard time finding groups.
The argument Asmon used for selling runs can literally be applied to world buffs so we should keep them as is. It's an emergent gameplay that wasn't designed by the devs and the players created and chose to take part in. That doesn't make it good or healthy to the game.
yes, but "no changes"
@@Drianikaben it's always funny these guys always say things like "They should have changed X or Y" then when something changes they don't entirely super agree with they act like it's doom and gloom. Or something gets brought in they don't like but still use. Like the boost, they have but still used. I don't like the boost and refuse to use it haha. Like pick a lane and stand by what you believe.
I’ll be making gold selling dragon hawks just like I did back in the day
19:40 sorry Asmon, but selling runs does encourage gold buying. It is just like a drug addict looking for ways to get cash quick, so they can get their fix. The addict steals from their parent's bank account, rather than take the time to work an honest job.
Anything that requires gold encourages gold buying. Having consumables encourages gold buying. Mount training costing gold encourages gold buying. Doesn't mean we should remove them.
Man, stranglehorn, right now is so busy, i feel like we're back at classic release
What realm are you on?
Hes probably on faerlena
Darkmoon Faire Week so its even the extra busy week of raiding
im thinking about leveling is it poppin?
@@Raptormeatx wanna join me?
MadSeason is such an artist.
I’ve gotten runs from Hobbs in Stocks, DM and SM in BC. Dude is a legend and what asmon said about Hobbs making him want to play a pally was true.
He knows selling runs is bad for the game, of course it is.
he just wants to do it so he can level up alts quickly.
The real truth, is any idiot would know it's bad for the game. It's irrelevant weather it's a player
choice or not within the game, or out of it. If someone can get 100 gold instead of 1 silver for a kill they will.
But since the game wasn't designed around that % things go by too quickly, suddenly
every vendor you used to buy things from now is worthless.
Power leveling enables the Chinese farmers to bot it up even quicker.
you're going to see allot, and I mean allot of them more than in vanilla.
power leveling through a dungeon has become random dungeon finder for classic.
It's abbused in this way and worse. The degredation of the questing aspect of the game is potent.
"Those who choose to quest will do so still" No, no they won't. because they don't want to be left behind.
So Most people who wanted to level slow, who wanted to level through the game will now take the fast
route so they aren't left behind.
I think asmongold is cool, but on this he is very VERY wrong. he's also happy with the boost to 58 as well, pleased about it .
Also says there is nothing wrong with it. It's clear he just wants to be able to get quick levels for the sake of content, and getting it done quiclkly.
It is not good for the game in any way, and therefor it can and WILL only do harm.
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What amuses me around this part is that alot of the chat seems to think farming up 10k gold before TBC release is ridiculous and/or too hard.
We already know with high certainty that TBC will launch sometime in summer, with datamining hinting at prepatch coming in mid-late May. That realistically gives us around 2 months before TBC launch, probably even longer. That's minimum 2 months of farming enough gold to buy both base flying and epic flying - which together cost around 6k gold - before the expansion even comes out.
So frankly: Those people that are OmegaLuling and raging at Asmon's comment - they probably don't realize how much gold they could earn in 2 months if they were determined to earn it.
there was always a shaman trainer in stormwind on tbc launch
I know on low pop servers buying runs is a bigger issue because all the people your level are buying runs and there is no on to quest with
That old video with MGMT hit me in the feels. Bout to go down a musical rabbit hole while I level tonight.
When all your new expansions bomb one after another so bad that you just have to release the old expansions a 2nd time until we're up to date with 2nd retail WoW lmfao.
People have already said this enough, but I guess it needs repeating one more time... it's stopping at Wrath. I've seen hundreds of people asking for Wrath, and not a single soul asking for anything past that. Blizzard isn't dumb enough to release classic edition of an expansion with zero demand.
@@johannhowitzer I’ve definitely seen people ask for cata but overall you are right overwhelmingly people want it to stop at wrath. I saw one guy asking for legion on Reddit lmaoooooooo
actually one thing i don't like asmon says is that selling runs is good for the game. If there weren't bots ruinning the economy of the game in the first place not a lot of players would sell runs... like for real atm selling runs is the only way to make gold and i really don't like it.
How buying carrys is't bad but buying insta 58s is?
Because when it comes to carries you need to put in in game (read: IN GAME) time and effort to get in game rewards. Unless you're a streamer people don't send you gold for free. You need to farm it.
Buying a paid boost with your credit card means you're putting in non in-game time and effort for in game rewards.
3:36 that guy knows how to play Hearthstone
I have no problem with people selling runs. I remember when I was new to classic I was in the middle of running RFC and all of my friends were busy. A nice hunter came to the entrance of the instance and offered to run me through it for 2 gold. He let me keep all the loot too and it got me caught up with my friends. Worth it!
Asmon tends to disregard certain problems in order to justify his behaviour. Selling runs is bad for some players, namely the ones trying to find a group for a dungeon while leveling. The people that are looking for boosts won't look for a proper group to do the dungeon. It's obviously harmful, doesn't matter if it's emergent player behaviour or not.
Wowhobbs is why I've played a prot pally since middle of BC
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gold for runs is literally paying gold to skip content, its fundementally different from buying boe's etc.
not to mention once an economy runs amok like it has on classic, getting the amount of gold it takes, almost completely incentivize rmt.
Buying a run for an alt for quests etc. - completely okay and normal.
Buying complete runs to max lvl - insane gold cost, incentivizes rmt.
recognizing the fact that the economy, botting etc. is a huge problem on classic. And then disregarding the fact that a lot of gold paying services in game are being used, but has no correlation, makes zero sense.
Selling runs encourages people to never learn their class. I could always tell in BC when somebody got boosted or bought their account, because they sucked ass at the game. One even bought an account with a full-T5 warrior, and couldn’t even tank Karazhan.
@@Tory-JJ for starters there’s crowd control mechanics they never learn, which is huge in BC, threat management, positioning, which crap to not step in... basically everything besides pushing buttons 1-6.
"10,000 should be the amount of gold you're looking at to go into tbc"
I don't really play classic but I have like 200 max. I didn't get 10k+ gold until like legion probably
You have *at least* 2 months of playtime before TBC launches, which is plenty of time to get at least 6k gold for the base and epic flying mounts. This is literally what I've been doing since February when TBC was announced; I made a priest that I leveled to 60, and ever since it capped I've just been farming 2-3 hours per day on that character. I average about 50g/hour, which isn't an amazing amount by any stretch, but I've just reached 1000 gold and at my current pace I will reach 6k well before launch, will maybe even get to 7k.
I would highly recommend you (or anybody else who happens to read this) to literally just log on WoW and start farming gold *right now.*
Idk man. I started during BC and it was the most fun I had in WoW, but there is just no way it's gonna feel the same.
Preach already did a video.... he loved bc. Recently played the beta. He already is not feeling the same about it.... so stopped playing BC so it does not thwart his old memories of it. Technology changes, the fastness of games, etc. I think many will go back and still get easily frustrated as BC will still have plenty problems of its own.
I couldn't play it ever, so I guess I'm about to have the greatest time ever (started in late WOTLK)
@@zsoltsiro1310 same bro.. Same
Ofcause selling runs have a negative impact!! it makes it much harder to find a normal group to run dungeons with
Don't underestimate Racial on Blood Elf that has AOE Silence, for arenas
Asmongold in 2020: Get out of the way palys, make place to the real dps classes
Asmongold 2021: 7:46
As someone who mained a spacecow shaman for all of tbc.. the trainer in SW down by the water was absolutely a thing in tbc. If someone thinks I went to exodar EVERY SINGLE TIME I wanted to respec for an entire 2 years, your just wrong. xD
TBC looks so good, such a simple yet interasting
Blizz should just make it so. ALL players have to create a class (lev 59 or 60) and you cant transfer Gold or items from Classic to TBC Classic.
Then people will be forced to play TBC Classic, levling- dungeons ect. All this “ehhhh you need atleast 20.000 k gold when it starts”, just ruins the experience of TBC. TBC was also for casuel player NOT only for low life players with No life outside the game.
Its just too bad that TBC Classic will die as fast as Classic did because of theise people with 50.000 k Gold and the best gear in the game and then they cry about “ ehhhh there is nothing to do in this game”.
Asmon ruined his classic level experience big time and regreted it afterwards...and now he's planning to do the exact same thing again in BC 🤣
Rushing to 70 with dungeons...when most dungeon and raid attunements require several quests beforehand...sounds like a stupid plan and huge waste of time when you could do both hand in hand to be more efficient in the long run.
He'd waste more time getting griefed if he levels on the open world for any longer than he needs to be. Especially since he's on a pvp server.
Im a horde player, but i can agree. The best leveling zone is definetly redridge
I think wowhobbs was one of the first players to sell runs back in the day, he changed the game in a lot of ways either directly or indirectly.
my issues with selling runs dont actually have to do with goldselling. zones and dungeons became barren. you could barely play the game unless you bought a run, and even then thats paying someone to play the game for you while you don't play.
The problem with selling runs is when the Xpac is halfway through, and I want to do dungeons etc. on an alt, but there's only 2 other people willing to run because everyone is getting boosted. Not only this, but the player base hits cap level, and gets geared way faster, resulting in not only more time gaps where there's low player population, but bots getting to cap faster, and building alt accounts faster (for when their main account gets banned).
If boosting should be allowed, buying gold should be allowed.
You're right. We need wow token for classic.
People are going to crash so hard in TBC and burn out even before Phase 3
Asmon, my guy. You're willfully blind if you dont think BoE's and selling runs doesnt encourage buying gold. Cmon bruh
He didn't say that. He said they don't encourage buying gold anymore than the auction house already does.
I find that when people just buy runs it’s harder for people who don’t buy runs to find groups. I can’t tell you how many times Iv Posted in the LFG channel on my server only to get told to farm told and buy one you casual. Of course this only causes me to fall behind.
Once i had hit lv40 ish i found most players that were lv60 would help run dungeons and refuse to gold for the runs 🤷♂️
@@joshuawaugh7923 Then that means you found native, loyal true players by the sense of staying true to the roots of the game.
They refused to destroy the community aspect of the game for some gold.
Am I missing something here? Arent't Warriors and Rogues busted in BC because of Warglaives of Azinoth?
The only time I paid 1g for carrying was for one woyer quest. I could not find anybody who wanted to go through RFK. Most people will drop you like a bad habit when hearing someone else is running a carry.
[Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]
There is at least 200 new people in my guild that are there for tbc, mara brd and zf groups even on weekdays
I love how he geta angry and goes into denial over ret pallys. May the light be with you.
Selling runs is like selling crafting materials, you're paying for the time. You are paying for a good or service. It is a free market. Anyone that doesn't understand this simultaneously affirms their ignorance.
Damn for a warrior he's got sense about mage boosting, it's a large aspect of the game people enjoy it and it doesn't crazily impact the economy for any one as its players passing gold among each other
Then you have swarms of bots farming essences and brd pickpocketing, DMT tribute running and flood the markets with particular items and raw gold
What the aoe camp will really hurt tbh is the cath aoe farm, cause it will be WAAAY harder to do armory
It’s not that warrior is going to suck, it’s just that it’s going to be more inline with the other classes instead of being op.
13:35 in saving this one.... we know hes not gonna make it
Say what you want I owned dps meters on my warrior in a tbc. From ssc to bt and sunwell
Combat log can show all actions, so that primal proc scam will only affect people who don’t know that
I don't think it's a scam I tell people if it procs it's mine or they pay for the extra
@@Matt-wm1bf good idea, just responding to what asmon said to do
Asmon says "Oh yeah just have 10k gold for TBC" when he only has over 10k gold because he begged his fans for nearly all of it.
that’s that joke dummy
Shows his lack of warrior knowledge again badge of the swarmguard lasts a warrior later into tbc than any other trinket, its so so good in some situations
I hate that I've been losing all good arguments against dungeon boosting.
It's player interaction, circulates gold in the economy, it's technically accurate to vanilla, and it's basically impossible to do on your first character.
I have started playing again after not playing since about half way through wrath's life
You can get to honnard with dungeons i believe.
Always group with the alcheimest doing the transmute.
If we're going back to the days of TBC, we gotta bring Nymh back and watch his music vids.
I almost teared up too. Such a great moment.
I cant freaking wait for TBC Classic! Nostalgia overload!
I'm on Pagle and SW is packed.
Is warrior worth playing in TBC or should I use a different class that I can boost.
Get a another 60 if your unsure, war is still fun in tbc tho
@@FathomableShark well we have the one time boost so I was thinking priest, hunter or warlock for a range option
@@JDmix123 I used to play a hunter back then in BC it was really fun. If you can boost, I would probably choose Paladin cause the leveling takes soo long and Hunter leveling is fun
Play your class man, warriors are still plenty strong and they're God's in PvP.
Hunters and Warlocks are going to be super saturated, and it'll be difficult to gear up... This is comming from someone who played a Mage in 2005 and remade his character for Classic(before knowing everyone and their mother would have a mage alt).. Rolling against 8 other mages for the same gear gets old fast.
@@Preacher_. that’s a good ass point the I’ll boost to farm on my alt
My boy sounding more dead inside than ever. Love you Madseason❤️
I teared up towards the end. This game is life.
pretty sure when you procced bonus's there was an emote or a noise that happened outside of group, so they would know... or was that added in WotLK
I like Madseason, he always has good & informative videos.
I remember a few of my friends finished a full quest log of quests, mostly dailys, I think it was 25 quests, but they turned them all in when they logged in when the level cap is raised, gave them a nice little boost to 61.
Has it always been negative to sell runs? I started in Wrath and at max level sure I made bank selling ports, but on occasion I ran new players though stuff like stockades, hogger, I think MC a couple times but that was maybe Cata idk and I didn't gouge prices but no one ever seemed to case back then at least on my garbage server lol
Selling runs has always been a thing in many games. in GW1 I made millions selling runs.
Yes, selling dungeon runs to power-boost is emergent behavior. But it's behavior that many games intentionally prevent because it trivializes the content of the game. And that matters. I'm not blaming the players for playing the game the way it's given to them. But Blizzard should prevent power-boosting for the same reasons many games prevent power-boosting. This is not a novel concept.
@15:20 its not a scam to keep the procs when you transmute rofl. . .
I am scared that if I keep watching you I will to become asmonbold
I really want to watch Asmon stream TBC leveling but I have to wonder if he's setting himself up for failure considering the constraints Outland provides. Unless he immediately starts to dungeon grind (which is pretty boring content after a while) I have to wonder what kind of nightmare Hellfire and even Zangarmarsh will be for him when streaming. I can already imagine how impossible things such as the Ring of Blood will be unless he has half the server backing him up.
From what Esfand has been saying it sounds like they wanna dungeon grind together and treat it like a laid back podcast... still boring but we’ll see. I think he mentioned popping out for ring of blood if they get far enough ahead or something
I know this was in context of Vanilla mostly but it goes for retail do. I spam report all those morons posting sales in the Groupfinder. It's a group finder to find groups not find a buyer. That's what Trade chat is for. To sell a trade
paladin trainer in UC. i tried it yesterday on my beta account
Just made a classic toon 3 weeks ago and barely got 80 gold saved and this man talking bout goimg into TBC with 10k gold 😭😭😭
just get a thunderfury... Lol my guild has raided everyweek all through classic and we never got the friggin bindings for our tank :D
I disagree with Asmon here on how selling runs doesn't encourage gold buying with real world money. There's 2 things that happen:
1) The person making gold off the run can be a legit player just doing that to make gold. However there are PLENTY of bots doing runs with wall hacks. flying, and other shit that breaks the game that build up that gold to sell for real world cash. That gold is built up to strictly be sold along with rogue pickpocketing dungeon mobs and other botting processes that make gold. The demand for boosts keeps the income flowing in.
2) A person with a main character who just wants another toon at max level probably has gold on hand. A fresh player joining the game? They are stuck either leveling alone or getting a boost. They don't have gold. They check out some gold selling sites and see it's not as expensive as they thought so they spend some cash to get gold to get carried to 60 via boosting. I'm not suggesting EVERYONE does this but it is a thing that happens.
The economy in WoW Classic has been fucked because the influx of gold that has been brought in from bots. 10k Gold in 2004-2007 meant you were a god. Nowadays GDKP runs auction off gear for that much. There was even a 198k bid on Gressil back in December. Boosts are just one part of a major problem that corrupts Classic. There are many other factors such as the bots,GDKP runs, and the min-max mentality causing consumables and the mats that make them to inflate to unbelievable prices.
To those who say: "Just level normally, don't do a boost!"" That is for sure an option but when your buddies and their guild are all max level doing nothing but raid logging it's hard to stay engaged with the content. The majority of players who are max level currently probably have been since P1/P2 and had an actual community to interact with. These days generally people just level an alt with a boost which feeds into the cycle I mentioned above.
Now I have heard some servers have come back to life with people leveling toons in preparation for TBC which is great! The problem is what will happen when most people reach max level and aren't leveling toons 2-3 months into TBC? I think the issue will be even worse. Attunement is no joke and having an alt go through that discourages leveling another character. This will make the leveling pretty dead, especially with Blizzard offering an official level boost to 58. Once again your option will be to get a boost from a mage/pally and who knows how much that will cost.
I went on a bit of a rant here but overall I just think boosts(both dungeon and blizzard supported ones) are unhealthy for the game in general. They discourage community interactions and encourage the already insurmountable amount of bots to keep chugging along. As I said there are other factors that go into this but boosting is definitely an issue. At this point however I don't think there is a solution other than Blizz getting better about handling bots and fresh servers without a broken economy popping up.