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Musical industries - not even death saves you from them anymore.
let's not forget the movie industry, they will be adding dead stars to movies more as time goes on.
The simpsons called it
Looks like Jesus was right, he is definitely going to be resurrected/rise again!
pretty exciting for the record execs tho, soon they will easily be able to control all aspects of an artist. reminds me of that Paccino movie s1m0ne
I understand where you're coming from but some people have had such an impact on people's lives that just never experiencing a concert can make them feel sad just to think about the loss of said musician instead of being happy that they are in a better place so to speak
I think what works the best with holographic concerts are cartoonish stuff like Gorrilaz and Vocaloid.
Agreed
VOCALOID! VOCALOID!
Hatsune Miku has entered the chat.
Yeah, def. Like a Hatsune Miku concert would be cool like this. But i would feel very uncomfortable if say Kurt Cobain was back on stage in hologram form.
There are already many hologram Vocaloid concerts, you should really check them out!
The only time I'll even consider going to a hologram concert is for Vocaloids. There's no chance of uncanny valley and you can buy glowsticks
Agree, though the intent of these concerts is a hologram performance. I found it interesting that the concerts with Hatsune Miku were not really talked about in this deep dive.
@@ecostarr That's because Hatsune Miku was never a real person or is intended to look like a real person.
This deep dive was about real people becoming holograms and how this affects people.
@@mementomori5580 I understand that, but couching it in the larger trend is not irrelevant.
Colt Hayes And the artists aren’t dead. At a Vocaloid concert, I wouldn’t have to struggle with whether or not the idea was disrespectful or not.
I've been to them and the crowds are typically more into the events and dance and swing their glow-stick. I'm pretty sure the Roy Orbison concerts even took the methods of entry Vocaloids use which obviously isn't a good idea for a "live" performance.
for me it’s less about the perception of authenticity of the hologram that makes me uncomfortable as much as it is the commercialisation of a dead person.
There’s no way these artists could have ever envisaged that, decades after their death, they’d be reanimated. They have zero creative control over what happens, leaving their legacy at the whim of whatever company, music label or businessman feels like doing with your identity. It’s uncomfortable that death isn’t enough, that even after that your identity can be owned and profited from.
Sometimes legacy and reputation is best left to history.
Why do people do great things? To be remembered
But who sells the company's the rights to the dead person's music face and body that would be the loved ones the family so if you want to complain to people complain to the families for selling their loved ones after death
i feel the same way. i don't care about how authentic or not it looks, but knowing they're basically reanimating a corpse to play it like a puppet completely rubs me the wrong way.
that's also why i am indeed intrigued by holograms like Hatsune Miku. if it's a fully fictitious character it's just amazing to see how far technology has come. but if it's a real person, to me at least, it's just creepy.
Edit: I guess I'd be okay if current artists are engaged in creating holograms for the future of themselves, meaning them having an artistic say in it and basically giving their consent.
@@mybackhurts7020 you are right, a lot of people do create art to be remembered but as artists, you have to imagine they would want to have at least some creative control.
Drew war // I agree, you’ve got to look at the family some type of way. For me that’s another reason why it makes me uncomfortable, it’s not just companies trying to profit off your death, it’s your own flesh and blood too.
U.S.A. :
has technology gone to far. Will hologram take over.
Meanwhile Japan:
*laughs in vocaloid*
you clearly have good taste and a waifu; fucking weeb ;)
They brought back Hideto Matsumoto already, everything else is just icing on the cake
Baka baka baka
lol. hologram been around before japan
hell yer mikuuu
The issue of consent and the already predatory nature of record label companies are my concerns.
My thoughts exactly. I don't mind what they did with Zappa, given the participation of Ahmet and the Mothers of Invention. Buddy Holly, Roy Orbison, Tupac...it seems like a dangerous precedent that, oddly enough, Zappa himself would have petitioned against in favor of artistic freedom and consent.
Xziler Q. They get the green light as long as the family agrees. Who even said that family has eachothers best interests in mind all the time? These holograms now going on tours racking in big bucks. I couldn’t stand but see a hologram of a dead family member as if they were alive. Truly sickening.
Dio coming back from the dead?
Aw shit, here we go again.
Gabriel Velazquez at least he isn’t being left on his own like a rainbow in the dark /:
Oh ho, You dare resurrect me DIO?
Useless useless useless
OH MA GAHWD
Music lives on forever but people don't. Which is what makes the music so special.
Exactly. Well said!!!! ☮️💜
This just feels like a disrespectful cash grab. Their works still endure, let the dead rest.
I would never go see one, but I could see one acceptable condition: direct consent of the artist.
@@namenloss730 agreed
Zappa made a hologram show back before his death for this. so for him and him alone I'm okay with it
@Desperadox23
No, the dead don't care, but as the living we have a duty to be respectful enough t the dead and all of this is just disrespectful.
@Desperadox23
Are you kidding me? A movie where an actor was once living is vastly different than a hologram.
They signed up willingly to take part in a movie while living and were immortalized on film. These companies are milking deceased artists for money by playing to people's nostalgia and the dead don't get a choice in the matter.
How to make infinite money for companies after you die 😂
Well the musicians descendants can live off of that pretty well too.
skyhunter156 well the problem is the more the generations the less money is distributed to the family while the companies get a steady amount of endless funds
Well your work schedule is pretty light and you get all the vacation time in the world... Not too bad as far as benefits go.
I think it should be perfectly fine if the musicians have signed on to have it done, before their passing. Slightly less okay if their next-of-kin sign off on it. Definitely not okay if neither the artist nor their next-of-kin sign off on it. I don't think the labels should be allowed to reproduce their performances without those permissions first.
I'm not a fan of this trend whatsoever... It's disrespectful to the artist, their fans and their family, I think. This seems like a move fueled by greed, and unless the artist specifically says in their will, or before they die that they would like to continue shows in 'hologram' form after they pass, then I feel it's crossing a line.
The family sold the rights true the Hologram company to do the concerts so if you want to blame somebody blame the families
@@drewwar9344 Fair, but I've heard the labels are pretty predatory about how they acquire the rights. You dangle enough money in from of whomever holds the rights, and some of them will cave.
I like the idea of being able to see dead musicians preform once again but I hate the idea of companies controlling a dead person's image like that and profiting off a dancing corpse.
Well put
you do have a way with words :)
I mean, if the estate of said artist is okay with it, chances are the artist would be okay with it too. Estates are notorious for being very specific about how the deceased artist's are portrayed.
@@caliggyjack7480 I dunno it still seems creepy to me in a way. I get it, but it is still a little gross.
I think THIS is what makes me most uncomfortable. They're desecrating a grave for a profit. If I were dead, I wouldn't want anyone parading around my likeness for a benefit I would never see. This is some Black Mirror shit.
They should look into some of the vocaloid concerts, that have been selling out for years, especially with Hatsune Miku. I was stunned by the quality of some of those nearly 10 years ago!
Or the Splatoon Squid Sisters, also touring Japan.
Cartoonish/animated hologram concerts? (Gorillaz/Vocaloid) Cool AF.
Dead people holograms? Disrespectful in my opinion, wouldn't spend a dime on it
I think in most cases, yes. However. Iirc, Zappa actually did mo cap for a hologram tour for after he died.
How is celebrating a persons achievements disrespectful?
Digging up the corpse and have it walk on stage like a puppet... that would be disrespectful to the dead.
Showing a hologram, at least for me, is not different from showing a movie.
Do you think watching movies with actors that are dead is disrespectful to those actors? Do you think listening to music from artists who died is disrespectful?
if not, what's the difference with a holographic show? As long as it is true to the artist and doesn't mock him, I do not see any issues.
If you show them true to themselves, it's nothing but respectful. If you abuse them for your gain, that's a different story.
But "what would the artist have wanted" is the first question required for respectful actions. Anything done with "how can I profit?" in mind, usually is not.
@@liquidminds I think that's the biggest difference between the Zappa show and the rest. I dont think most times it is in the best interest of what the musician would have wanted, but Zappa clearly did.
Also, to your point about actors that are dead in a movie, there's a difference because they were alive at one point to make that movie. Unless you mean when they use your likeness such as star wars has done multiple times, which I in fact do think is disrespectful, but that's just me. People should understand that the characters can just be talked away, like "Princess Leia went into self exile after Luke died, from grief," or some shit like that.
@@Gorbgorbenson I think we can agree that whenever someone exploits a stars legacy for profit, it's disrespectful. It's often a thin line though.
When the technology gets more advanced, I'm sure a lot of bands will do them while still alive. It's a great technology for tribute shows, especially if the bands participate in the planning.
@@liquidminds The movie analogy is more akin to listening to their recorded music after they've died. A live concert would be more like an actor doing a play after they died.
While the only hologram concert I’ve ever been to was for an animated band (Vocaloid), in my case it did feel like a real concert experience. People were out of their seats jumping around, the audience cheered after every song, and the transitions as holograms entered and exited the stage didn’t feel uncomfortable at all. This was in 2016, and I left super excited to see what these concerts would look like in the future. And while I can’t speak for everyone else in the audience, I can say that it seemed like everyone left pretty hyped about the performance.
However, its possible the reactions were more positive because there was never an expectation of realism to begin with.
To anyone who’s ever been to a hologram concert for a real person or band, even if you went in expecting it to be terrible, did the performance look different from how you thought it would? Cuz in my case I already knew what I would see since Vocaloid concerts have been going on for years now.
Well, I think that falls into a different category. It falls easily into the left side of the uncanny valley. It was never intended to be realistic.
Not exactly a big fan of vocaloid but I wanna attend one of those concerts someday.
You can’t talk about hologram concerts without talking about Hatsune Miku.
Yeah, it was like they were trying to avoid mentioning words "Miku" "Yamaha" or "Magic Marai"
this is exactly what i was thinking! one of the pioneers
Yes you can
And they did
Jonni
They’re not looking for the origins of holographic musicians... they’re looking at how people react to dead people being made into holograms and being put on tours.
Nobody gives a crap about your weeb music.
True! Altho Miku isn’t a living person, as we define alive, millions of people attended and watched Miku’s concerts and still watch today. Millions of people go to see living representations of movie characters at theme parks. Living artists lip sync their own music at concerts. The lines between reality and fantasy have blurred to the point that we soon may not know who’s real and who isn’t. “Weebs,” as one person gracelessly called them, have known this for years. The rest of you are just catching up, and it scares you. Time goes by. Get on the train, or get run over. 🤷🏼♀️
I think it's going to become so popular artists need a "hologram" clause in their contacts....
I would definitely bet that's an actual thing now. At least, I hope!
Wouldn’t be surprised if some already have them
Prince made it clear he did not want his image used in a hologram.
Oh probably...😌
In some cases, it just seems like another way that music companies can continue to enslave artists even after death.
the fact you didn’t use hatsune miku as the example for the holograms....smh
edit:
damn the incel fanboys are really mad about a joke comment, huh
Because frank zappa is better
Nathan Frank atleast Miku can’t die
Because its about "holograms" of real people, not your anime jerk off material.
klesh it doesn’t take away that Vocaloid is probably what inspired the use of holograms over in the west as the first one was in 2004
@@GetUpTheMountains Yes, the Gorillaz are real gotcha
Nah man just gonna keep listening to dead artist's music on spotify..
Austin Garcia me too and watch their old concert footage on youtube
Unless if it’s Aaliyah, can’t listen to her
@@konway17 Oh, that's a problem no one thought of.
Tony Peppermint I’m just putting out that there’s dead artists that don’t have their music available on streaming platforms, don’t have to be a pretentious dick about it.
@@konway17 whos Aaliyah?
I refuse to pay concert prices to see live music that is really just a pre recorded set from a projector.
I agree
Joseph Hefley okay cool
Then don't. Let those who enjoy it, do so. Got nothing to do with you bud
James Biggar well Phil asked for opinions so this is one of them.
If its an entire band i would agree, but if they did queen for example and had the surviving band member playing their parts live and have freddy dubbed in with his piano or whatever he is doing in the song then if done well that could be great.
So many people are bringing up Vocaloids and seemingly missing the point. Hatsune Miku is and always has been a fictional character, she's a program, her and her music are created through programs. These artists were once living, real people who have died. Putting a program on tour is one thing, and yes the tech is amazing, but in regards to humans there's a much bigger discussion to be had. Is this ethically/morally okay? For me personally, this is incredibly creepy. To take someone's likeness after they've passed to continue to make them perform and make it a setting of "it's like they're still here!" to me is very unsettling. Losing someone is hard, I understand that fully, but that's the great thing about art given that even when the creator dies they leave behind their creations, there's no need to recreate the artist like this. If it's about the music find a different way to entertain a crowd WITH the music but leave the hologram of the dead person out.
artists like most people want to live on forever, usually the owner of the rights to the artists image is the family and they work with the concert to make sure its how the artist would want it, nobody is saying its like they are still here its more letting others feel and know what its like to be at one of their artists concerts. Most holograms are taken from footage of concerts they have already done and they use mocap to make the quality of the footage higher, not really recreating the artist more presenting their creation in the way it was ment to be viewed, Its not like they are recreating what those artists have done or said (you wont find tupac saying vote for trump)
@@philmcruch to me it's still going to far. The only way of accept this kind of performance is if the artist signed off on this before passing or of it's a complete fictional character. I don't care what my family says I'd like to stay dead. Honestly not *everyone* want to be remembered like this.
Never saw these artists before, but as I watched their dead body projections “perform”, I literally started crying. I LOVED the Gorillaz as holograms. But watching these holograms... I instantly feel the loss of these musicians. They are NOT there. But a few programmers and producers are, pulling at the dead puppet’s strings for profit. A puppet the artist had no idea would ever exist, or consent to.
For me, I think, going to this type of concert would be a 1-hour reminder that they’re dead. Everything you’re enjoying is what they left behind.
Unless!!
The artist worked on (and fully, clearly authorized) the performance. Then it is still “them”, reaching through the performance. Not a moneyied exec and his crew, teaching through a morbid puppet show for my wallet.
I have nothing about original artists using holograms. I would love to see Hatsune Miku, or Gorillaz. But there is no way in hell I would pay to see hologram of dead artist.
if you have the chance to go to a gorillaz concert, you totally should! one of the best concerts i’ve ever been to
100% with you!!! Dead Artists just is a massive cash-grab. Original or living artists...different story
@TMFisms
That is my main issue. Sure - tribute to a artist can be cool, like that 2pac “performance”. But milking a dead artist seems just wrong from moral perspective. Music industry is allready fuking over artists by taking all the profits from records. The only way for artist(under a record label) to earn money is with live performances. And now labels will get into that money after artist’s death? Fuk dat!
Holograms taking over live music? Didn't South Park already did this?
south park have done everything
Simpsons did it, Simpsons did it, Simpsons did it!
@@northstar6920 South Park did it, South Park did it, South Park did it!
@@northstar6920 South Park Did It, South Park Did It, South Park Did It
Is that were you get your information? 😂
Guys. The UNCANNY VALLEY comes NOT from movements of the hologram being off, or lip sync. It comes from fans knowing that they are looking at a dead person. It's that easy.
Not a good comparison since you're watching through TV screen anyway. Hologram is supposed to be a real human right in front of you
Yet! They know it's a hologram and still go anyway.
@@snuffeldjuret I think it's the idea that person making a performance when they're actually dead. That's what sets me off. A film is capturing a moment in time. A hologram is emulating that person. It makes me fearful if these artist wouldn't want to be holograms.
I think holograms for concerts presents a really cool opportunity for virtual bands like Gorillaz, Hatsune Miku and other Vocaloids, etc, because it’s a way for them to have live concerts
If your intent was cartoony, then a hologram show might work. But anything else is just cash grabbing over a dead man or woman.
You might as well be listening to a live cd or DVD and it won't cost as much. :-/
The family is earning money licensing the image of their late family member. its no different than licensing the use of the songs and pictures/videos.
@@Wehra96 but its extremely fake and all your doing is watching a hologram Lip synch to a song you could be listening to at home. I honestly don't know why anybody would go to a concert of a dead persons hologram
@@OmarMohamed-ik6pd your subjective opinion really doesnt matter the market will speak for itself and this trend will die if people won't come to the concerts.
@@Wehra96 lol I'm just saying it's stupid to spend money on a hologram, I dont really care whether people do or dont honestly
@@OmarMohamed-ik6pd like matthew said your opinion really doesnt matter.. & think about the families jesus..
I think this is a really interesting idea. My main thought isn’t necessarily about realism, rather about consent.
Should we be able to use the memories of people in this manner without knowing what they would have to say on the matter? How ethical is it to use someone’s voice to say something that they them selves may not have believed in.
True, it's like make them (their memory and image) slaves of copyrights owners.
I didn't know this was this interesting, great video!
How can you not mention Hatsune Miku in this topic!?!?! She is literally the first thing I thought about when I read the video title.
MrBubblygoodness I think it’s a little bit different because she was never real to begin with. Uncanny valley is not going to be a problem and neither is the question of the morality in regards to legacy and taking advantage of an artists death. Though, I guess Miku would be worth a brief mention so they could say “But we’re going to be talking about trying to revive dead artists.”
Thank you for that "Young Frankenstein" clip
But it just reminds you that Gene is dead :(
Joseph Hefley every one dies.
I think Hatsune Miku will still rule the hologram part... Just saying...
She was never alive to begin with. I don’t think she counts.
She does count... Because a hologram or the technology was never alive to begin with either... 😑
While these people are still arguing n discussing about the hologram lmao :D
Best Hologram by far
Her concerts are pretty great even if your not a fan just for the spectacle alone
I will likely never go to one of these shows. If I'm going to go to a concert, it's going to be a real person.
Basically parading their dead bodies on stage for money. What has entertainment come to.
Before we start holograming everything, we should take a few pages from Hatsune Miku.
Why didn't you talk about the morality of such productions
They did, some fans felt weird about seeing a dead person used as a puppet. The problem lies in the money, which often supercedes morality
The artist wanted their music to live on forever they want to be remembered and they want to be listened to morality shouldn't even be a talking point in this conversation
@@drewwar9344 it should, you're using a defunct person's body image and voice to make money without even having their consent about it. It does not feel right to have a company or a family sell the rights or own the rights to not only your brand name but also your body image.
@@badreddinekasmi8919 Wouldn't companies and family making money off of artits's music postmortem fall under the same line of reasoning? Of course not to the same extent
Soooo we just gonna ignore the ethics of the idea? Commodification as one of the biggest gripes in the industry so why not literally try and commodify their entire existence. Lets go full Electric Corpse Carnival course sounds like a great idea
Okay the editing for this video was dope. love it!
Honestly I'd love a Queen concert with the money going to the charity for aids, with a hologram of Freddie Mercury, it'd be amazing.
Totally!
He was an amazing performer and I think would make a descent hologram
Guess what tho
No money from these hologram concerts will ever EVEEERR go to charity. Or even a decent person
@Fvcked dude I wish the whole band would get together and have a hologram and everything, it'd be amazing.
@Fvcked As long as I see them perform I don't really care what era :)
Or you could just make up your own artist to avoid licences, fees and wages. Hatsune Miku is a successful example of this and her tours are probably the blueprints being used by these companies. They combine the "Hologram" a live band and a tec sound crew all in sync.
@Shinigami San I think its more down to her being no real from the start.
There's no nostalgia for the "real artist" or OG concerts or expectations of the person acting similar to their pre-death personality. There's also no chance of feelings of guilt or unease at the possibility of it being disrespectful or exploiting the dead.
Everyone knows Miku has been created purely to entertain and cant feel exploited so you are free to let loose and enjoy the concert, songs and atmosphere. It also helps that the concert creators have had lots of practice in knowing how to put on a grand holographic show without glitches.
@Shinigami San I agree, they really knew how far to go in her design and most importantly when to stop. I've seen a few of her shows online and not once did I feel the uncanny valley but neither did her movements feel off or cartoonish. You're just left thinking what an amazing piece of technology and how entertaining the shows are.
After a refresh I had an Ecosa ad before this excellent video. Keep up the great work.
These deep dive videos are getting better and better. Keep up the awesome work RR
I absolutely loved Hatsune Miku hologram concert but like the gorillaz ,she's not exactly real but what they did was amazing for that time.
I agree both artists are exempt from my disgust of holograms of musicians. None of that uncomfortable feeling there, just good entertainment.
Yeah I’m fine with fictional holograms or even alive people like Madonna with the Gorillaz but the second we’re using dead people I’m uncomfortable. It’s not uncanny valley for me, it’s the idea of saying someone’s hologram “performed” when that person is gone. Something about that just doesn’t feel right to me.
I don't know about reviving dead musicians but, Hatsune Miku concerts are definitely the best hologram concerts. Hands down.
Yeah, except they happen in Japan, so alcohol's pretty much all there is to party with. With all those lights n shit, it looks like a straight up rave. Wouldn't it be weird to be mostly sober at one of those things? lol
Danielle Spargo erm you are wrong there they also happen in England and America and people are most of the time not drinking there
Lol I want to a Vocaloid concert in Mexico (there was not only Miku) there are Vocaloid tours and they are really popular.
I went to one in Manhattan NY and there was no drinking. I’ve been to a few concerts but Hatsune Mikus concert was significantly better than the rest. Theres so much love and energy in the room. Don’t always need Alcohol to have a good time but thats just my opinion.
@@BothHands1
I guess I'm just a Square. But I never understood how people can enjoy things when their NOT sober.
I like when they use the hologram tech for fictional characters. Like Vocaloids, Off the Hook and the Squid Sisters from Splatoon, and, like you mentioned, the Gorillaz. Imagine how cool it would’ve been to have the cast of Spongebob perform Sweet Victory at the Super Bowl using this tech?!
The Dead SHOULD STAY DEAD, give room to new artists.
@Harry Paul they support soundcloud rappers, therefore they have no understanding of music
@Harry Paul there is definitely a difference that old music is history. this is what that artist made during that time. But these hologram are creating the illusion that the artist is playing now as if they were never dead. And at least the artist can consent/acknowledge the music record industry can play their song. They can't do that once they're dead.
I see this as exploitive and odd. I would never waste money on something like this.
I mean if I wanted to hear music from a program I would just stay home and listen to it on spotify. Waste of money thats #1 reason the exploitive and odd are the least important issues but are still in the back of my mind to give me reasons to not go
Do you see selling thier music as disrespectful too? Just curious because i think this is disrespectful but ibdo not mind buying dead artists records.
Zappa's son was the director. Odd? I agree, but exploitive? I'd have to disagree simply because his son made it happen. But who knows
Same, Ayyye, that's the way I feel about it too.
It's no more exploitive than having a concert and playing an edited together music video or song.
I watched this for Zappa in the thumbnail. Now I have to go see the show live. My father got me into Zappa when I was about 12 and I was always disappointed I would never get to see him live. I'm glad they are doing this for some of the greats we have lost.
If you know anything about Zappa he hated the industry and actually told his wife to get out of it I love Zappa too and would love too see him play anything from hot rats but he would never want to be used as a cash grab like this
Very cool topic to cover. Thank you for this report, guys!
Quality content. Thanks Phil!
These hologram tours seem like the kind of thing that Frank Zappa would have made fun of.
What about Hatsune Miku and other vocaloids?
JustAnotherRUclipsr
What about them? That’s completely different, and an accepted part of Japanese culture.
This video isn’t about holographic “musicians”, it’s about how fans react to DEAD singers being brought back for holographic tours
Nobody gives a shit about your weeb music.
@@Merchaant 77 people
No Lollygagging
77 people what? Do give a shit? Finish your sentence
77 people don’t know what the video’s about
Good article, well done.
I found this to be one of the most engaging extra videos ever Phil. Really great work.
Bro, I didn't know there were english dubbed Vocaloids.
Bro
No. Where’ve you..? ..
This is not right.
Hatsune miku or something like that would be fine, but these are real people. Let Them Rest.
Stories like this are EXACTLY what I want from these deep-dive videos. Going into a story that I have never heard anything about without just being a knowledge dump is a difficult thing to write and I 100% appreciate the work put into this story.
That's a very interesting topic. Kudos.
But Hatsune Miku is best hologram girl lol
I'd say they've given enough to their fans during their lifetime. "Bringing them back" through holograms is beyond unnecessary.
Dude the editing was awesome in this episode
This was a great video on such an obscure topic. Well done homies.
It's really kind of horrific, like digging up someones corpse and puppeting it around.
But it's not it's a hologram
I never expected to see Frank Zappa in one of Philips thumbnails!
Broken Hearts are for Assholes
I'm a fan of the new intro delivery; slipping it in here and there like you've been doing is smart and I get a little smile every (but not really, my brain is weird but regression to the mean i guess) time.
I think if the industry is really serious about perfecting this new technology, they should test it out using living artists. That way, they can work with said artists to work out more of the subtle nuances to overall stage performance. Who knows, we may live in a world where one day we can have a single concert being performed and broadcasted to different venues all over the world and we won't be able to tell which one has the real performer and which has the holograms.
No mention of our eternal diva goddess Hatsune Miku.
Miku and the other vocaloids are the only holograms i need
Love this video!
In the future, artists won't go on tour, just their music and hologram will. This is the beginning of the end of real live musical performances
go 1 step further - not only will the artist/s be a hologram but the audience will also be attending via their in home hologram machine (goggle viewer and headphones on while in the comfort of your living room), so the audience is also not present for the "live" event, the whole thing will take place virtually. At first I can see this being pushed as a safety measure - can't blow up ppl who aren't there, then it will become the norm.
@@temeryn3312 that's a very good point. I could absolutely see it going that way. At first it'll probabaly have a mix of a virtual reality audience and real audience (there's still the atmosphere of the show, standing next to people who are also enjoying the same loud music coming through speakers), but eventually I could see live shows as just some kind of premium live feature of some "RUclips Live Music" platform.
Hatsune Miku doesn't count cuz she was never truly alive 😭 None of these got anything on her
"never truly alive"
you like telling children that santa aint real huh? i go cry... you monster...
;)
Same with gorillaz right? I don’t know much about them but weren’t they always the same thing as Miku?
a fellow of culture
@@tri1937 not really. all of them are real people an real musicians. gorillaz basically is just a side project for them and they took the cartoon avatars just for show.
while miku basically is something like a text to speech program where you can put in values of intonation. basically its a voice instrument. the anime avatar was just a marketing ploy since anime characters on anything makes stuff sell better in japan.
Jem and the Holograms are the only holograms i need 💓
It's nothing more than an appeal to the fear of missing out, despite the fact it's so late that you can't really miss it anymore.
Super interesting!! Thanks
Also very virtual, but things like hologram concerts for Vocaliod, are huge in Japan. It's not big deal to me whether it's the real thing or not, I just want a good show. I like seeing real artists live, but I definitely don't mind watching a hologram version of someone who's passed either.
yeah but have you heard of Hatsune Miku
interesting... thanks for this :) keep up the good work guys
The West should take note from Japan. The Vocaloids look way more life-like and solid than any Western hologram I've seen.
People die when they are killed
Very cool, Justin.
Thank you Justin, very cool!
Its basically the same question japan asked 12 or so years ago with the rise of Vocaloids. "are digital voice singers and holographic concerts gonna take over the music?
the answer is no. no they wont. they could become a big niche market yes. but overtaking the status quo? no.
Oh please Linkin Park.. don't you ever do this to Chester. Never got to see him perform but i find this a little disrespectful and awkward. This is not about the memory of the artist or the fans is about money for the producers. Is so freaking sad. Is a No for me.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I never got to see him either and this is something I would never be interested in seeing. The rest of the guys will put on a show I want to see, I don't need a hologram. I'll support LP no matter what their future holds. But please not this.
who cares
@@nathanielreid5626 I do
I was lucky enough to see him 5 times and I was thinking about him the whole video...I must say, even though I miss him and LP so much, I would't go to their hologram concert...It is really disrespectful...maybe if it was for a charity....MAYBE...but i don't think Linkin Park as a band would do that.
@@Skoncil Yeah, someone asked Mike about it not that long after the Hollywood Bowl show and he immediately shot it down and it seemed to have hurt him to even think about doing anything like that so I doubt they ever would. But I think if there's one thing most of this fandom can agree on, it's that a hologram is not the way to go.
Awesome episode, LOVE zappa.
I literally just got the notification and came over here, 137 views and 1 dislike, the haters have the bell on phill!
Hater. Singular
True haters like to get in early so more people can read their hateful bull.
You are aloud to dislike something and not hate it. I love Philip Defranco but I didnt like this video style.
@@michaelmonahan6896 My bad. I want expecting you to be rational. I'm used to the Fox news sort of dislike. Lot of that going around lately.
seeing frank zappas face in my sub box was gift already this morning!
This was the most interesting video I have ever seen from this channel. You guys hit this one out of the park
Interesting topic! I learned something new (uncanny valley 😟), so thank you! I love the morning show videos 😊
Oh hey, human looking vocaloids, just what we always wanted -_-
Frank Zappa is the most underrated musician of our generation. RIP you beautiful weirdo ♡
Zappa is Legend.
"our generation"? lmao You're dating us fans, I'd say "last Century". But we know, and those who don't will now have new ways to catch up.
Uhhhhh be my friend????? Literally never met another soul that likes Zappa.
@@koanbonwa okay then my generation lmao! He died long after I was born anyway....
@@kkstewart100 absolutely. SUBSCRIBED
I find this fairly disrespectful. Profit from the performance of an artist, without their actual presence.
I can see maybe a 1-off event, like at a memorial show, or something that they really wanted to perform when they were alive, but not all-out tours.
I've been saving up for two Thursdays and a Tuesday and now I have 3 open tabs of morning videos and now I get to binge them like a multi subject documentary while I dive head first in a bag of Chicago mix
I don't know that much about Frank Zappa but I have a strong feel that he's spinning in his grave right now. Zappa has said that each concert is it's own experience. It's a little different each time. To hear that he's controlled by some computer playing pre-recorded music irks me.
The Zappa show looked amazing. We play Zappa for a drumline show in high school. I hadn’t heard of Zappa until then but loved the music after that. I’d love to see that concert.
Maria I can tell you have improved a lot!
I thought about this the other day. When voice replication and deepfakes get better we could have Phil tell us the news forever...
Holograms?
You’ve heard the Tales of the Sierra Madre. We all have. The legends the curses.
Please do more videos like this!
This whole segment was amazing to watch..I really love what the team is doing. I personally did not know know much about these hologram shows and the info about the valley was very insightful. Thank You. ps. frank zappa sounds like he was a cool dude (doing some research to learn more about him and his music) I'll admit its a bit eerie and frankly frightening to watch and hear these holograms address the audience but its also a way to keep their memories and their music alive.
I wish there was more about virtual artists, like about how Nintendo has had several concerts for its series Splatoon using “halograms” to proform live or Even Vocaloid