Hey bud. I’m having the exact issue. Replaced the thermostat with whatever the parts store gave me and didn’t fix issue. Went to ford dealer and they entered my VIN and tried to give me the thermostat that the truck was built with. I had prior knowledge of the “updated” part with the plastic tip so I told him about that. He went in the back and got it for me. I believe the number is the same as the one you are posting about. Changed it yesterday and still didn’t help. What do you suggest now? I’m leaning towards replacing the water pump now just to see if it helps. Also I am using the orange coolant and I seen on another post that ppl are saying to use the yellow instead. Thoughts?
I have a 2018 XLT. After Cam Phaser replacement this is EXACTLY what was happening. I'd get on the highway at 75 to 80 mph and the engine would heat up. Not completely overheating, but it would heat up enough to raise eyebrows. Also, the electric fan was running almost constantly. It sounded like I was driving a jet airplane! After replacing the thermostat with the new, updated thermostat, this solved EVERYTHING. Running great now!
I’ve been learning so much from you. Thank you for passing your knowledge to others. I’m happy I’m not as uneducated as I used to be. I’m also grateful to have you as my friend. God has blessed me to have you as my friend. I’m always here for you too. Bless you
Excellent job going the distance to take care of the customer! In this case I felt it was the thermostat and pleasantly surprised to hear it was. I also learned some new information about the cooling systems in these newer trucks. Keep coming with the great information. Thank you! 😊 🐶
You're the best, Rich! Once again proving why you're an amazing person/mechanic - going above and beyond! Its great you truly have the customer in mind with each job. Thank you!
I really wish you were local to me, I dread taking my truck in the dealership for anything nowadays. You are the most dedicated Ford mechanic I've ever seen, Good work bud!
Thanks Rich. Exact same thing occurred about a week after the cam phaser replacement on my 2018 F150. I noticed when cooling fans were running full speed. Dealer fixed it.
I’ve seen a pattern of aftermarket thermostats causing slight overheat condition along with the fans running. On the 5.0’s. I only put in O.E in them now.
Had my phasers replaced and had several issues after. The main one being the solenoid that controls the blinds that open and close on the grill was put together incorrectly. I was driving around with no air flow coming into the engine and the coolant started to boil and foam. Temps were not out of spec either.
My 2018 ecoboost over heats if I tow my large trailer only at a certain speed and after driving 30 to 45 miles slow down alittle its fine. Think its the intercooler not getting enough air because of the shutter vents. I'll check my thermastat and go ahead and replace it with the newer style to be safe. Thanks 👍
I had the same situation almost exactly. After phasers we’re replaced on my 18 f150 this past winter, once the weather warmed up, it would consistently get warm and show a digital temp once it reached 228. I saw it get as high as 240ish once. (August at 75-80 mph) Dealer replaced the thermostat, gasket and housing. All good for now. Mileage was roughly 45,000. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for all you do i have a 2018 3.5 eco with around 49,000 on it. I just got my truck back from doing the phasers and saw this happen once and it was at 226 only popped up for a second. I was pulling a really small trailer but don't think I was going over 60. On my trip back nothing and I was going over speeds of 65 some of the way. I don't drive my truck much but I'm taking it to Ohio in August which is an 900 mile trip for me one way should I replace my thermostat or could it just have been an air pocket. My reservoir was on the low mark when i got it back i did fill it to the correct level. Should I take it for a run on the highway and do some tests thank you so much for your help.
@@FordBossMe it did come back when I was pulling a 5x8 trailer 3 times it goes to 236 then goes down quickly is there a tsb on this I want to call ford tomorrow and was this caused by getting the phasers done.
Nice work, I've found the same problem on lots of 17-20 F150s. Most are not even overheating but the customer complains of the Engine Fan running high/ loud more than usual. I've monitored the temp and found it runs near 10'C colder with a new thermostat installed, from near overheat to perfect Operating Temp. The Original Thermostats are pretty shitty when closely inspected, they wear and stick closed like u said not allowing full circulation when the engine needs it. The Fan's are so damn good that the thermostat has to be completely failed and the engine worked hard to overheat as the fans just ramp up speed as the temp increases and move a shit ton of air. I suspect most near 100 000kms could benefit from a new thermostat and the yellow coolant but most people don't have long enough drives or notice the fans. Probably that nasty Pink/ Orange coolant that made em fail in the first place.
Which brand thermostat? I just bought a 2018 3.5 ecoboost with 36k miles and I got p0018 and p0021 the 2nd week I owned it and then the CEL went off and the fans have been running hard since then, supposed to be going to a Ford near me since I bought it 3 hours away. Fml
@@joelexline9 Just Oem from the dealer, thhe part numbers are constantly updated for parts that are shitty. As for the Cam codes, kinda odd for the second gen eco to actually set cam codes if its full of clean/ proper oil and somebody hasn't messed up changing the VCT gears. If the Fans Roar all the time and full of coolant its probably not overheating. The same Gens have a common AC problem that causes the Fans the run high. If they start roaring after driving/ high loads, Probably thermostat. Can monitor Temps with Scan tool.
I'm having The same problem with my Ford Expedition 2018.I Never have had this happen before when I travel a long distance with this car. I have Had it for 8 months. Recently I Drove about an hour and 20 minutes away. Started to give temperature notice 225 to 237 but goes away very quickly. I also notice my transmission temperature was at 217 I Hope it's just the thermostat issue. Thanks you.
Hey man, I have a 2018 F150 5.0. I've got what I believe is a VCT phasers rattle at partial throttle when deceleration when the engine is cold. I have had the TSB 18-2354 done, but it still does it. Any thoughts on this? or just drive it till the wheels fall off. Thumbs up! Thanks for your service and your videos!
I had my cam phasers replaced on my 2018 F150, and the next day left from nashville for California pulling a trailer, I had to keep the speed way down to keep from over heating the whole way out. It sounds like this is exactly the problem. But now I’m in California, and have to haul the trailer back. I’m thinking I might replace the thermostat myself, do I can make the drive home.
When I had my 2017 (114K) at the dealership for Timing Set and Cam Phasers replaced due to start up rattle, I had them replace the thermostat, water pump, belts, and hoses since I’m keeping the Truck and it was at my Expense. July 2021 No Issues For me it was better to put the extra money while it was tore down and spend the extra money on parts and save some money on labor. Keep the great videos coming!! God Bless
Did you pay all out of pocket for repairs? My cam phasers seem to be going out and I’m sure I now have to pay out of pocket since I never did the recall 🤦🏻♂️
At least some of us actually care about taking care of the customers, doing our level best to avoid repeated comebacks. I have taken customer vehicles home overnight. I live kinda far from work and besides verifying my repairs I can get a feel for the car and listen for anything else they may be unhappy about, wind noise, dash rattles, brake pulsation, etc
Been following you for awhile. I just wanted to say thanks for posting this. I have 2018 F150 3.5 with 48k. I had my passenger turbo replaced in December. Afterwards I noticed I was running hotter than usual. Just had my cam phasers finally replaced last week. Told the dealership that I had been running hot, above 230 unloaded. They said they road tested it and found no issue. My Ford pass app confirmed they only drive the truck 2 miles so I guess they really didn't care to review my concerns. After some research, I decided to install a new thermostat myself today. The problem is completely resolved. Thanks again!
Good information. Remember I was asking you about that no spark but would crank no codes. It was on 5.4 F150. It turns out it was a bad PCM. Thanks for the help.
Fords are famous for “ever since you” …new engines suck ass…everything made after the late 90s is shit ford, Chevy, dodge etc …cheap parts for twice the asking price…if you want a truck that will last buy one that has a 5.0 ford…5.7 Chevy …5.9 cummins dodge
I never had a temperature issue in my truck. I only saw 225-228 degrees when towing up long grades on the highway. I had my coolant flushed and thermostat replaced by the dealer. Now the truck runs way hotter with and without the trailer. I normally see 230 on a slight incline no trailer. When towing I often lock it in 7th gear on climbs to maintain 230 degrees. I took it back to the dealer they said everything is fine and “that’s just how these trucks run” 2020 ford raptor. Wish I had a tech like you.
This problem is the exact issue I am having with my 2018 F150 King Ranch 3.5. My fans stay on constantly and when I run 75 plus and going up hills it wants to overheat. If I pull a trailer that is not loaded then it will overheat. In saying all of this I read about the updated Thermostat. I purchased the HLZ-8575 B. It actually says BA on the end. I replaced it and it fixed the overheating problem, but I had no heat. I live in the south and this was in the middle of the winter and there was no heat. We replaced it back with the metal one and I had heat again and the problem came back again with the truck overheating. Any recommendations.
I’m guessing you’re already using a cooling sys vacuum to fill the system. If not you should. It may or may not have solved this problem but it’s a great tool to remove all air pockets from the cooling system.
So I mentioned in the video where I was using and I did mention that I'm using the vacuum cooling system filler and that will not save this issue from happening I've already explained this and there's many people in the comment section here that it was explained it has happened to them as well it is a common thing when doing this
Hey man I have the same exact truck that this guy does and I have the same exact message popping up on the screen saying 225-230 degrees. Every single time I pull my trailer, any kind of incline at all, it says that message. Even when, like you said in the video, I go 75-80 mph without a trailer it shows the message as well. I was curious if that was the only problem you could find with this truck? I cannot for the life of me figure out why it keeps showing this message on my screen and “overheating”
Went to pick up my 17 lariat 3.5 today & they claimed to have repaired the cam phasers & chains & my engine is still rattling at idle smh . I made them take it back til it’s fixed. Have you ever seen a dealership claim to do a repair that wasn’t performed? When I looked up under it it looked like it hadn’t been disassembled, front cover etc .
@@FordBossMe thanks man & yeah you’re right , I should have I was just so mad & in the heat of the moment that I didn’t think about it , they also replaced the steering rack & tried to give it back to me with the ABS light still on , between the cam phasers & steering rack , it was over $5.,000 of repairs they charged my warranty company for , thanks man
My 16, F-150 has been at NTB for over a week now. I took it in for….AC stop blowing cold air, high temp & message on dash was “power reducing”. They said i would need to replace the water pump, thermostat, O-rings, gaskets and belt. I agreed since I’m at 150k so I wanted to be preventative and just do it. Now 9 days later they still don’t have this fixed. Would it be in bad taste to recommend they check the part number on the new thermostat? I don’t want anyone telling me how to do my job especially when they are not an I.T. person but I really need my truck fixed and back on the road to get to and from work. They have said it was probably air bubble, potentially a cracked block, sensors and different pressure tests.
I have a 2017 3.5 Ecoboost f150 with 75000 miles and if I'm in the turbo boost for a while either towing or not but more so towing the temp will start to climb do you think that could be the thermostat and also is there a way to find out if the cam phasers have been replaced I just bought the truck in may
Saint Ford Boss, not sure the Church has a Saint for mechanical problems, if they don’t this is our boy!!! I understand maybe 30% and love these stories!
Yeah had the same issue on my Raptor. Bought the truck about three months ago and out of nowhere the temp numbers popped up. I put a cooler thermostat(165) on it because I’ll be installing a bigger intercooler later. Fix the problem right of the bat. Don’t listen to the shade tree mechanics out glorifying bs forums.
Any chance you're located near Modesto, CA? If so which Ford dealer are you at cause I want to bring my truck to you from now on. You're absolutely awesome!
My 2018 raptor had the rattle but I didn’t know what it was and last week driving from Texas to Alabama I had loss of power and white smoke pouring from both exhaust pipes. I stopped and checked my oil and coolant and shut truck off. It started after 10 seconds and me pressing gas pedal. I limped the truck about 150 miles to Tuscaloosa and now my truck is sitting at Tuscaloosa ford. Been there a week and they don’t even have a diagnosis done but have said cam phasers are bad, water pump bad, and leaking oil pan and they still think more is bad. They only have 1 engine mechanic and the service manager I caught lying. I’m 500 miles from my truck and it’s under a Nissan 60k bumper to bumper warranty. Can anyone give me a suggestion or tell me what I should do ? I really don’t trust this place now.
Great job! You are a vanishing breed. Your honesty and strait forward explanation sets you apart from most dealers. Wish I lived close to you. God Bless.
Good fix ,thanks for the information, My 3.5 is so quiet as well you almost forgot it’s running, I had a 2017 f150 3.5 w tow package and it ran cooler towing than my new truck does , the only difference is my 2020 is a maxtow 3.5 . Both trucks 10 speed,3.55 4x4s, if anything it should run cooler towing but it doesn’t. It never got over 220 but I was only pulling 3500lbs and in 50 degree weather … my old truck could tow my loaded enclosed trailer in august at 90 degrees,with the ac blasting and never go over 212. I wonder if that updated thermostat would help my 2020. I only have 10k mikes on my 2020…thanks for the part numbers.
I think this is what was happening to my 2018 Expedition. Same issue of temp got up just a little. Dealer couldn’t find an issue. 3 days later while on vacation temperature suddenly goes through the roof and overheat warning went off. Pop the hood and coolant is all over the engine. The inlet and outlet hose were blown along with thermometer. Wish I had seen this earlier. It may have prevented a major headache, tow, and larger repair cost. Needless to say, I’m done with my dealer as I’ve seen several posts about it, and apparently Ford is aware of this issue.
Hey Where you located at? Do you do cam phasers replacement outside dealership? How much you charge if you do? Also since they open up everything for cam phasers what other parts you recommend replacing?
I got a 2018 with 95k on it how would I know if I have to do cam phasers? Thing runs great I'd rather not mess with what's not broken I change my oil every 3 to 5k
Good info as usual. Let me ask an expert here. TPMS need help about flashing them and all that, all new to me lol. So if ya got snows and summer tires on their own rims and TMPS in them do they have to get flashed each change over? Please help very confused. Live in middle of now where so I change over tires myself, cant be running to shops for flashes they say. Please shed some light, I cant be the only one. Tks
I believe so, since the ECM can only learn 1 sensor ID for each wheel at the same time, it's pretty easy to do if u have the right tool, i used the Autel that is around $200, but if u know a shop and are a good customer they might not even charge u to do it since it takes like 5 minutes
@@denisgonzalezblandon1538 turn key to on, press hazard button 6 times. It’ll say “learn front left tire” on dash or similar. Can’t remember exact wording. Take a flat head screw driver and let air out of that tire until you hear a beep from horn. Then you’ll move onto the front right tire and so on. When it learns each tire it’ll beep. After all 4 it’s learned.
Guess that they discovered that the high strength plastic shaft could take the scouring effect against that shaft better that the steel it was using... Funny you would think it was kind of the other way around?.. Interesting diagnosis remedy 🤔...
Thank you...My 2018 Raptor is going in for its 2nd round of cam phaser repairs. The first was at 47K and now again at 97K. Never had any problems with the eng. temps. However, knowing what you just shared, I'll talk with the tech and see if we can upgrade the thermostat. Much appreciated..
Well jobber thermostats are only about 50 percent bad out the box, glad you figured it out sometimes we have such things show up to are shop they really get the thinking going
I had this same problem after my local dealership replaced the cam phasers in my 18 raptor. I put a SPD performance thermostat in it and that solved the problem.
I had the same problem after my second timing chain replacement. Dealer changed the water pump, thermostat, and radiator and I still had the problem. Saw another video about the new design thermostat and then saw your video. Ordered the new parts and put it in two days ago. Temperature dropped at least 15 degrees and has not gone into the 220's yet. This appears to have fixed my problem. Thanks for this video. It showed the same problem that I had.
Thank you so much! Had this problem yesterday on my first leg of a 1200 mile drive. Stopped by a ford dealer, bought both parts and brought it in this morning to get replaced and a coolant flush. And voila! No problems whatsoever today. Even got better gas mileage!
I am in a bind as one of thise inlet hoses crack and broke on the plastic Y as my wife was going to work it started saying coolant overheat and she was close enough that she turned around. I replaced the house and add coolant but the overheat message still there and car feels shaky and won't go past 3k rpm or drive fast. Like it is auto throttling itself for safety. I did the funnel to burp it but I think coolant not reaching the thermostat or it went bad.
Just had one in the shop 2 weeks ago with cooling fan running on high after tech did phasers. Replaced thermostat and re bleed cooling system. Fixed. This will be the 5-6 one that we’ve had to replace thermostat in directly after replacing phasers
think I'm going to try and put and updated thermostat in, but ill run my scenario by you and see what you think...used to turn wrenches years ago. Made a career change and moved on from that life. Still can do the work but I tend to have an old colleague, ( ASE MT) handle most of my issues now... Had the 17 f150 3.5 down to him for rear pinion seal replacement and to search for coolant leak. He replaced thermostat and seal with the one I supplied him with (not OEM). Prior to him getting the truck I did have a low coolant situation, but couldn't find an obvious leak and had temps climbing into the 230's+. As I said, he replaced the parts I supplied him with and I'm still getting temp spikes at highway speeds, in 10th gear mainly AFTER I let off the accelerator. IE cruise control up the highway at 75mph, 10th gear, and cancel the cruise control as I'm approaching my exit. Temp numbers will appear over temp gauge, 226-230+. Cam Phasers have NOT been done, but need to be. 100K miles on truck, all stock. Thoughts? Thanks for everything you do for us on here. Your videos have helped many of us out, more then once! God bless
Just started the rattle on my 2018 F150 ecoboost. Had my thermostat replaced 3 months ago as I would show coolent temp on any incline when towing my travel trailer. No issue with Just hit 80k, so Ford will only cover 33% of the phaser fix😢 We're on a 6 month road trip with the trailer and am a week away from an extended stay in Cali. The brake/accelerator hack works to prevent the rattle until I can get the phasers replaced.
We have a used 2017 F150 that we have this condition on. I've been battling it for a while. Started as consuming coolant and overheat, it was leaking water pump. Shop assured me they used Motorcraft parts upon my request and filled under vacuum, including parts you listed. I still have an overheat like that, I bought a new thermostat and will put it in (from what I've read they tend to fail out of the box sometimes). If that's not it, what else could it be? I don't think the cam phasers were done on our particular one. It's a Platinum, so should be gen 2 of that 3.5 Ecoboost.
Hi Ford Boss Me, I see you hearted my comment, but I was wondering if you would be able to respond? I tried to look on your channel but there's no contact info. I'm getting spikes of temps and now back to slowly losing coolant (about 1.5-2" on the overflow tank, both pictures taken when engine was cold). I love this truck, but am getting incredibly desperate, not sure if I can throw $6-8k for a head gasket at this.
My 2019 3.5 is in dealership now getting the cam phaser repair done. The service department called trying to sell me a coolant flush with everything. The repair is under the customer satisfaction program but the coolant flush would be out of my pocket. Is this possibly related? Or are they trying to pull a fast one.
HL3Z - 8575 - B Thermostat
HL3Z - 8255 - A O-Ring
That second part number is actually the gasket. Do you have the part number for the o-ring?
Hey bud. I’m having the exact issue. Replaced the thermostat with whatever the parts store gave me and didn’t fix issue. Went to ford dealer and they entered my VIN and tried to give me the thermostat that the truck was built with. I had prior knowledge of the “updated” part with the plastic tip so I told him about that. He went in the back and got it for me. I believe the number is the same as the one you are posting about. Changed it yesterday and still didn’t help. What do you suggest now? I’m leaning towards replacing the water pump now just to see if it helps. Also I am using the orange coolant and I seen on another post that ppl are saying to use the yellow instead. Thoughts?
I have a 2018 XLT. After Cam Phaser replacement this is EXACTLY what was happening. I'd get on the highway at 75 to 80 mph and the engine would heat up. Not completely overheating, but it would heat up enough to raise eyebrows. Also, the electric fan was running almost constantly. It sounded like I was driving a jet airplane! After replacing the thermostat with the new, updated thermostat, this solved EVERYTHING. Running great now!
I’ve been learning so much from you. Thank you for passing your knowledge to others. I’m happy I’m not as uneducated as I used to be. I’m also grateful to have you as my friend. God has blessed me to have you as my friend. I’m always here for you too. Bless you
Excellent job going the distance to take care of the customer! In this case I felt it was the thermostat and pleasantly surprised to hear it was. I also learned some new information about the cooling systems in these newer trucks. Keep coming with the great information. Thank you! 😊 🐶
Man you really went above & beyond.
You're the best, Rich! Once again proving why you're an amazing person/mechanic - going above and beyond! Its great you truly have the customer in mind with each job. Thank you!
Tyvm
@@FordBossMe Do you know the fix for 2017 f150 5.0 rough idle and shutting off. Mostly after warming up and when coming to a stop? No codes.
I really wish you were local to me, I dread taking my truck in the dealership for anything nowadays. You are the most dedicated Ford mechanic I've ever seen, Good work bud!
Me too.
I feel the same way
Ridiculous.........Spend all that money on a new truck just to have all those problems.
Thanks Rich. Exact same thing occurred about a week after the cam phaser replacement on my 2018 F150. I noticed when cooling fans were running full speed. Dealer fixed it.
Makes one wonder how many engines already destroyed especially with company fleet ones where drivers don't care. Crazy poor designed / made parts.
I’ve seen a pattern of aftermarket thermostats causing slight overheat condition along with the fans running. On the 5.0’s. I only put in O.E in them now.
If you use an aftermarket thermometer only use stant brand..
They don’t teach you this kind of knowledge in school
Thanks for great 👍🏻 video
Such clusters. We never had to burp older cooling systems...they always cleared the bubbles perfectly.
Thank for the update I have notes some I do look different lol now I know thanks one again love the videos bro
Had my phasers replaced and had several issues after. The main one being the solenoid that controls the blinds that open and close on the grill was put together incorrectly. I was driving around with no air flow coming into the engine and the coolant started to boil and foam. Temps were not out of spec either.
There was no reason to even have those off
My 2018 ecoboost over heats if I tow my large trailer only at a certain speed and after driving 30 to 45 miles slow down alittle its fine. Think its the intercooler not getting enough air because of the shutter vents. I'll check my thermastat and go ahead and replace it with the newer style to be safe. Thanks 👍
Hey Pat, did you have any resolution to your overheating while towing with the new thermostat?
Once again terrific customer service, and we all learn something new. 🇳🇿
I had the same situation almost exactly. After phasers we’re replaced on my 18 f150 this past winter, once the weather warmed up, it would consistently get warm and show a digital temp once it reached 228. I saw it get as high as 240ish once. (August at 75-80 mph) Dealer replaced the thermostat, gasket and housing. All good for now. Mileage was roughly 45,000. Thanks for the video!
I have been experiencing exactly this as well on my 2019 wafter the phasers were addressed. I guess its thermostat time.
Karl Benz would be floored if he saw where cooling systems are today!
Job well done. Good catch man
I really appreciate this! Thank you!
Thank you for all you do i have a 2018 3.5 eco with around 49,000 on it. I just got my truck back from doing the phasers and saw this happen once and it was at 226 only popped up for a second. I was pulling a really small trailer but don't think I was going over 60. On my trip back nothing and I was going over speeds of 65 some of the way. I don't drive my truck much but I'm taking it to Ohio in August which is an 900 mile trip for me one way should I replace my thermostat or could it just have been an air pocket. My reservoir was on the low mark when i got it back i did fill it to the correct level. Should I take it for a run on the highway and do some tests thank you so much for your help.
Drive it around and see if it comes back
@@FordBossMe it did come back when I was pulling a 5x8 trailer 3 times it goes to 236 then goes down quickly is there a tsb on this I want to call ford tomorrow and was this caused by getting the phasers done.
Nice work, I've found the same problem on lots of 17-20 F150s. Most are not even overheating but the customer complains of the Engine Fan running high/ loud more than usual. I've monitored the temp and found it runs near 10'C colder with a new thermostat installed, from near overheat to perfect Operating Temp. The Original Thermostats are pretty shitty when closely inspected, they wear and stick closed like u said not allowing full circulation when the engine needs it. The Fan's are so damn good that the thermostat has to be completely failed and the engine worked hard to overheat as the fans just ramp up speed as the temp increases and move a shit ton of air. I suspect most near 100 000kms could benefit from a new thermostat and the yellow coolant but most people don't have long enough drives or notice the fans. Probably that nasty Pink/ Orange coolant that made em fail in the first place.
Which brand thermostat? I just bought a 2018 3.5 ecoboost with 36k miles and I got p0018 and p0021 the 2nd week I owned it and then the CEL went off and the fans have been running hard since then, supposed to be going to a Ford near me since I bought it 3 hours away. Fml
@@joelexline9 Just Oem from the dealer, thhe part numbers are constantly updated for parts that are shitty. As for the Cam codes, kinda odd for the second gen eco to actually set cam codes if its full of clean/ proper oil and somebody hasn't messed up changing the VCT gears. If the Fans Roar all the time and full of coolant its probably not overheating. The same Gens have a common AC problem that causes the Fans the run high. If they start roaring after driving/ high loads, Probably thermostat. Can monitor Temps with Scan tool.
I'm having The same problem with my Ford Expedition 2018.I Never have had this happen before when I travel a long distance with this car. I have Had it for 8 months. Recently I Drove about an hour and 20 minutes away. Started to give temperature notice 225 to 237 but goes away very quickly. I also notice my transmission temperature was at 217 I Hope it's just the thermostat issue. Thanks you.
Hey man, I have a 2018 F150 5.0. I've got what I believe is a VCT phasers rattle at partial throttle when deceleration when the engine is cold. I have had the TSB 18-2354 done, but it still does it. Any thoughts on this? or just drive it till the wheels fall off. Thumbs up! Thanks for your service and your videos!
I had my cam phasers replaced on my 2018 F150, and the next day left from nashville for California pulling a trailer, I had to keep the speed way down to keep from over heating the whole way out. It sounds like this is exactly the problem. But now I’m in California, and have to haul the trailer back. I’m thinking I might replace the thermostat myself, do I can make the drive home.
When I had my 2017 (114K) at the dealership for Timing Set and Cam Phasers replaced due to start up rattle, I had them replace the thermostat, water pump, belts, and hoses since I’m keeping the Truck and it was at my Expense. July 2021 No Issues For me it was better to put the extra money while it was tore down and spend the extra money on parts and save some money on labor. Keep the great videos coming!! God Bless
Smart Move!
Did you pay all out of pocket for repairs? My cam phasers seem to be going out and I’m sure I now have to pay out of pocket since I never did the recall 🤦🏻♂️
How much did that run you? @tclark
@@luisarevalo8394 $3000
@@tclarkmcginnis5650 thank you
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onest ,good job,i am also a tech in the indrustry rare to find someone who gives a shit any more good job.
Same symptoms. Changed out thermostat with new part number. Problem solved!!! The truck has never run this good.
Awesome troubleshooting call 👍
Your awesome thank you for your time and expert knowledge!!!
I hope you get a gift card from Ford for Christmas this year you're for all the work you do to benefit the raptor owners
Another great video with an interesting issue. Thanks.
Hey What else would you recommend changing with cam phasers? My truck has 70k miles on it.
sounds like replaceing the cam phases is jsut a bad idea, the knocking doesn't actually do damage to anything, just sounds terrible
Every time I drain the cooling system for repair a new thermostat is installed.
My 01 F150 is trucking right along 😂 think I’ll keep it old school
Don’t try and burp this truck traditionally. You need to use a coolant re filler that pulls vacuum on a system helps with how a thermostat operates
I stopped watching ford RUclips videos and my suspected cam phaser issue went away until I came back and watched another. 😉
Lol
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Can you tell me what this sound is on my 5.0? Is it normal?
My 2018 looked great but had so many cam phaser issues drove me nuts. Now I have 2022 f350 and I love it.
At least some of us actually care about taking care of the customers, doing our level best to avoid repeated comebacks. I have taken customer vehicles home overnight. I live kinda far from work and besides verifying my repairs I can get a feel for the car and listen for anything else they may be unhappy about, wind noise, dash rattles, brake pulsation, etc
Been following you for awhile. I just wanted to say thanks for posting this. I have 2018 F150 3.5 with 48k. I had my passenger turbo replaced in December. Afterwards I noticed I was running hotter than usual. Just had my cam phasers finally replaced last week. Told the dealership that I had been running hot, above 230 unloaded. They said they road tested it and found no issue. My Ford pass app confirmed they only drive the truck 2 miles so I guess they really didn't care to review my concerns. After some research, I decided to install a new thermostat myself today. The problem is completely resolved. Thanks again!
You are very welcome
Thank you for updating me
Good information. Remember I was asking you about that no spark but would crank no codes. It was on 5.4 F150. It turns out it was a bad PCM. Thanks for the help.
Fords are famous for “ever since you” …new engines suck ass…everything made after the late 90s is shit ford, Chevy, dodge etc …cheap parts for twice the asking price…if you want a truck that will last buy one that has a 5.0 ford…5.7 Chevy …5.9 cummins dodge
Thank you. I was having this issue after the cam phaser replacement. New thermostat and coolant flush seems to have resolved the issue.
Excellent!
Thank you for sharing! In my opinion you’re the best thing that’s happened to Ford in the past 5 years, keep up the great work! Be blessed!
He must not know to much if he paying another man to fix his truck
Heyyy what's up man, longtime no see.
I never had a temperature issue in my truck. I only saw 225-228 degrees when towing up long grades on the highway. I had my coolant flushed and thermostat replaced by the dealer. Now the truck runs way hotter with and without the trailer. I normally see 230 on a slight incline no trailer. When towing I often lock it in 7th gear on climbs to maintain 230 degrees. I took it back to the dealer they said everything is fine and “that’s just how these trucks run” 2020 ford raptor. Wish I had a tech like you.
No cam phaser issues (knock on wood) so not related to that
This problem is the exact issue I am having with my 2018 F150 King Ranch 3.5. My fans stay on constantly and when I run 75 plus and going up hills it wants to overheat. If I pull a trailer that is not loaded then it will overheat. In saying all of this I read about the updated Thermostat. I purchased the HLZ-8575 B. It actually says BA on the end. I replaced it and it fixed the overheating problem, but I had no heat. I live in the south and this was in the middle of the winter and there was no heat. We replaced it back with the metal one and I had heat again and the problem came back again with the truck overheating. Any recommendations.
I just looked again and my part number is actually HL3E-8575-BA
I’m guessing you’re already using a cooling sys vacuum to fill the system. If not you should. It may or may not have solved this problem but it’s a great tool to remove all air pockets from the cooling system.
So I mentioned in the video where I was using and I did mention that I'm using the vacuum cooling system filler and that will not save this issue from happening I've already explained this and there's many people in the comment section here that it was explained it has happened to them as well it is a common thing when doing this
I HAVE THIS EXACT ISSUE GOING ON BEFOR WE DID PHASERS
Hey man I have the same exact truck that this guy does and I have the same exact message popping up on the screen saying 225-230 degrees. Every single time I pull my trailer, any kind of incline at all, it says that message. Even when, like you said in the video, I go 75-80 mph without a trailer it shows the message as well. I was curious if that was the only problem you could find with this truck? I cannot for the life of me figure out why it keeps showing this message on my screen and “overheating”
I did fix the problem for about a year but now the guy says he's having those issues all over again
Went to pick up my 17 lariat 3.5 today & they claimed to have repaired the cam phasers & chains & my engine is still rattling at idle smh . I made them take it back til it’s fixed. Have you ever seen a dealership claim to do a repair that wasn’t performed? When I looked up under it it looked like it hadn’t been disassembled, front cover etc .
Normally brand new phasers won't make that sound at least for at least 10,000 or so miles you should have made a video so you can share it with me
@@FordBossMe thanks man & yeah you’re right , I should have I was just so mad & in the heat of the moment that I didn’t think about it , they also replaced the steering rack & tried to give it back to me with the ABS light still on , between the cam phasers & steering rack , it was over $5.,000 of repairs they charged my warranty company for , thanks man
Interesting, I like your take on this problem. You are on the case !
Would u recommend 3.5 or 5.0 looking at 2021 5.0 I got 2017 3.5
18 - 20 no 5.0 or 3.5 for me but 17 and previous all are good
18 - 20 2.7 is king
21 and up all are good so far
Very good info. Thank you for your time and the passing of the knowledge. Take care brother.
Hello Boss, is this also a good replacement for a 2016 F150 Lariat? No issues of any kind so far. Thank you.
I think but I have not tried on a 16
Have the items shown from the truck
My 16, F-150 has been at NTB for over a week now. I took it in for….AC stop blowing cold air, high temp & message on dash was “power reducing”. They said i would need to replace the water pump, thermostat, O-rings, gaskets and belt. I agreed since I’m at 150k so I wanted to be preventative and just do it. Now 9 days later they still don’t have this fixed. Would it be in bad taste to recommend they check the part number on the new thermostat? I don’t want anyone telling me how to do my job especially when they are not an I.T. person but I really need my truck fixed and back on the road to get to and from work. They have said it was probably air bubble, potentially a cracked block, sensors and different pressure tests.
I have a 2011 with a 3.5 EcoBoost I pulled the skid plate and pulled the hex cap screw underneath but there is nothing there where is it located?
I have a 2017 3.5 Ecoboost f150 with 75000 miles and if I'm in the turbo boost for a while either towing or not but more so towing the temp will start to climb do you think that could be the thermostat and also is there a way to find out if the cam phasers have been replaced I just bought the truck in may
Email me Poissorichard.rp@gmail.com
Yes it could be a thermostat
Thanks for paying the knowledge forward
Saint Ford Boss, not sure the Church has a Saint for mechanical problems, if they don’t this is our boy!!! I understand maybe 30% and love these stories!
Yeah had the same issue on my Raptor. Bought the truck about three months ago and out of nowhere the temp numbers popped up. I put a cooler thermostat(165) on it because I’ll be installing a bigger intercooler later. Fix the problem right of the bat. Don’t listen to the shade tree mechanics out glorifying bs forums.
Any chance you're located near Modesto, CA? If so which Ford dealer are you at cause I want to bring my truck to you from now on. You're absolutely awesome!
EXCELLENT! As always Be Blessed!
I have ford raptor 2017 when I acclator it going overheating on 4000 rpm
Yeah these trucks have been having this problem sometimes the thermostat fixes it sometimes it doesn't
Curious why does ford instal the thermostat with the bleder bell facing down?
I don't know
My 2018 raptor had the rattle but I didn’t know what it was and last week driving from Texas to Alabama I had loss of power and white smoke pouring from both exhaust pipes. I stopped and checked my oil and coolant and shut truck off. It started after 10 seconds and me pressing gas pedal.
I limped the truck about 150 miles to Tuscaloosa and now my truck is sitting at Tuscaloosa ford.
Been there a week and they don’t even have a diagnosis done but have said cam phasers are bad, water pump bad, and leaking oil pan and they still think more is bad.
They only have 1 engine mechanic and the service manager I caught lying.
I’m 500 miles from my truck and it’s under a Nissan 60k bumper to bumper warranty.
Can anyone give me a suggestion or tell me what I should do ? I really don’t trust this place now.
Call Ford corporate and ask to speak to the customer relations Center
@@FordBossMe thank you.
Mine is doing this same
Thing. …. I just had the cam phaser/ timing chain. Replaced. It’s getting hot and fan is on high, please help
You said its a bypass system?the flow cold?t-stat malfunction when hot..
Yes
Great job! You are a vanishing breed. Your honesty and strait forward explanation sets you apart from most dealers. Wish I lived close to you. God Bless.
Tyvm
Good fix ,thanks for the information, My 3.5 is so quiet as well you almost forgot it’s running, I had a 2017 f150 3.5 w tow package and it ran cooler towing than my new truck does , the only difference is my 2020 is a maxtow 3.5 . Both trucks 10 speed,3.55 4x4s, if anything it should run cooler towing but it doesn’t. It never got over 220 but I was only pulling 3500lbs and in 50 degree weather … my old truck could tow my loaded enclosed trailer in august at 90 degrees,with the ac blasting and never go over 212. I wonder if that updated thermostat would help my 2020. I only have 10k mikes on my 2020…thanks for the part numbers.
I think this is what was happening to my 2018 Expedition. Same issue of temp got up just a little. Dealer couldn’t find an issue. 3 days later while on vacation temperature suddenly goes through the roof and overheat warning went off. Pop the hood and coolant is all over the engine. The inlet and outlet hose were blown along with thermometer. Wish I had seen this earlier. It may have prevented a major headache, tow, and larger repair cost. Needless to say, I’m done with my dealer as I’ve seen several posts about it, and apparently Ford is aware of this issue.
Hey Where you located at? Do you do cam phasers replacement outside dealership? How much you charge if you do?
Also since they open up everything for cam phasers what other parts you recommend replacing?
I am a general manager at an independent facility now and I do do the cam phasers I am in Chicago Illinois
The job for cam phasers is about a 13-hour job at $150 an hour and it's about a $2,500 job ballpark
i also heard that you never want to use any aftermarket thermostats in any of these engines, 2.7, 3.5 or 5.0.
I got a 2018 with 95k on it how would I know if I have to do cam phasers? Thing runs great I'd rather not mess with what's not broken I change my oil every 3 to 5k
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Good info as usual. Let me ask an expert here. TPMS need help about flashing them and all that, all new to me lol. So if ya got snows and summer tires on their own rims and TMPS in them do they have to get flashed each change over? Please help very confused. Live in middle of now where so I change over tires myself, cant be running to shops for flashes they say. Please shed some light, I cant be the only one. Tks
I believe so, since the ECM can only learn 1 sensor ID for each wheel at the same time, it's pretty easy to do if u have the right tool, i used the Autel that is around $200, but if u know a shop and are a good customer they might not even charge u to do it since it takes like 5 minutes
I'll video this
No scanner needed
Remind me tomorrow at work
@@denisgonzalezblandon1538 turn key to on, press hazard button 6 times. It’ll say “learn front left tire” on dash or similar. Can’t remember exact wording. Take a flat head screw driver and let air out of that tire until you hear a beep from horn. Then you’ll move onto the front right tire and so on. When it learns each tire it’ll beep. After all 4 it’s learned.
How would a cam phaser job affect thermostat?
That was explained and if you didn't get that with this thurough explanation that everyone else got I don't know how to help you
Guess that they discovered that the high strength plastic shaft could take the scouring effect against that shaft better that the steel it was using... Funny you would think it was kind of the other way around?.. Interesting diagnosis remedy 🤔...
Thank you...My 2018 Raptor is going in for its 2nd round of cam phaser repairs. The first was at 47K and now again at 97K. Never had any problems with the eng. temps. However, knowing what you just shared, I'll talk with the tech and see if we can upgrade the thermostat. Much appreciated..
Well jobber thermostats are only about 50 percent bad out the box, glad you figured it out sometimes we have such things show up to are shop they really get the thinking going
I had this same problem after my local dealership replaced the cam phasers in my 18 raptor. I put a SPD performance thermostat in it and that solved the problem.
My truck does that
I’ve got the exact same problem in my 2018 3.5. Post can phaser job, overheating all the time. Thanks for sharing man. Really appreciate it!!!
I had the same problem after my second timing chain replacement. Dealer changed the water pump, thermostat, and radiator and I still had the problem. Saw another video about the new design thermostat and then saw your video. Ordered the new parts and put it in two days ago. Temperature dropped at least 15 degrees and has not gone into the 220's yet. This appears to have fixed my problem. Thanks for this video. It showed the same problem that I had.
It just happened to me following the cam phaser recall work on my 2018 F-150. Thanks for the video!
Thank you so much! Had this problem yesterday on my first leg of a 1200 mile drive. Stopped by a ford dealer, bought both parts and brought it in this morning to get replaced and a coolant flush. And voila! No problems whatsoever today. Even got better gas mileage!
I am in a bind as one of thise inlet hoses crack and broke on the plastic Y as my wife was going to work it started saying coolant overheat and she was close enough that she turned around. I replaced the house and add coolant but the overheat message still there and car feels shaky and won't go past 3k rpm or drive fast. Like it is auto throttling itself for safety. I did the funnel to burp it but I think coolant not reaching the thermostat or it went bad.
You might want to replace the thermostat and clear the codes
Good job...most mechanics wouldn't give a crap
Just had one in the shop 2 weeks ago with cooling fan running on high after tech did phasers. Replaced thermostat and re bleed cooling system. Fixed. This will be the 5-6 one that we’ve had to replace thermostat in directly after replacing phasers
Interstate 90 means 90 mph otherwise you will get run over!!!
think I'm going to try and put and updated thermostat in, but ill run my scenario by you and see what you think...used to turn wrenches years ago. Made a career change and moved on from that life. Still can do the work but I tend to have an old colleague, ( ASE MT) handle most of my issues now... Had the 17 f150 3.5 down to him for rear pinion seal replacement and to search for coolant leak. He replaced thermostat and seal with the one I supplied him with (not OEM). Prior to him getting the truck I did have a low coolant situation, but couldn't find an obvious leak and had temps climbing into the 230's+. As I said, he replaced the parts I supplied him with and I'm still getting temp spikes at highway speeds, in 10th gear mainly AFTER I let off the accelerator. IE cruise control up the highway at 75mph, 10th gear, and cancel the cruise control as I'm approaching my exit. Temp numbers will appear over temp gauge, 226-230+. Cam Phasers have NOT been done, but need to be. 100K miles on truck, all stock. Thoughts? Thanks for everything you do for us on here. Your videos have helped many of us out, more then once! God bless
It would be a good start and make sure ALL the air is bled out, use a vacuum fill coolant refill tool
Just started the rattle on my 2018 F150 ecoboost. Had my thermostat replaced 3 months ago as I would show coolent temp on any incline when towing my travel trailer. No issue with Just hit 80k, so Ford will only cover 33% of the phaser fix😢 We're on a 6 month road trip with the trailer and am a week away from an extended stay in Cali. The brake/accelerator hack works to prevent the rattle until I can get the phasers replaced.
Oops, no issue with coolant temp now.
That's what happened when you bought ford truck
We have a used 2017 F150 that we have this condition on. I've been battling it for a while. Started as consuming coolant and overheat, it was leaking water pump. Shop assured me they used Motorcraft parts upon my request and filled under vacuum, including parts you listed.
I still have an overheat like that, I bought a new thermostat and will put it in (from what I've read they tend to fail out of the box sometimes).
If that's not it, what else could it be? I don't think the cam phasers were done on our particular one. It's a Platinum, so should be gen 2 of that 3.5 Ecoboost.
Hi Ford Boss Me, I see you hearted my comment, but I was wondering if you would be able to respond? I tried to look on your channel but there's no contact info. I'm getting spikes of temps and now back to slowly losing coolant (about 1.5-2" on the overflow tank, both pictures taken when engine was cold). I love this truck, but am getting incredibly desperate, not sure if I can throw $6-8k for a head gasket at this.
My 2019 3.5 is in dealership now getting the cam phaser repair done. The service department called trying to sell me a coolant flush with everything. The repair is under the customer satisfaction program but the coolant flush would be out of my pocket. Is this possibly related? Or are they trying to pull a fast one.
You drain most of the coolant doing this job anyway
I think I wanna go back to push rod OHV engines