2017-2020 Ford F-150 3.5L Ecoboost Startup Rattle Fix: Make Sure You Are Getting The Latest Phasers!
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- Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2022
- In this video we show you why the 2nd generation 3.5L Ecoboost engines are so prone to startup rattle and what the new phaser design looks like.
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Intake Phaser- ML3Z-6256-A
Exhaust Phaser- ML3Z-6C525-A
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This explains so much! My 2020 Expedition (build date 09/27/20) was in the dealer twice with P0088 at 2000 miles. Second visit was over 2 months long from 12/20 - 02/21.
Ultimately a long block was installed. Ford kept sending them the wrong phasers. The dealer could never get the correct parts and asked to call corporate. I suspect my late build 2020 has the 2021+ designed engine install.
question: is this part number AT4Z-6C525-D correct for the vct exhaust phaser on the 2014 f150 3.5 ecoboost? in a video of yours you comment that the part number is AT4Z-6C525-B but it is different from the one shown by sites like fordgiantparts or tasca Thank you
Are the 21+ 3.5l engines using the latest and greatest phasers ?
Will these work in a first gen EB?
@@gdu370 sorry everyone isn’t a master mechanic like you. You are probably real fun at parties. It was a simple question and now you’re being a jerk. I hope this comment makes you feel superior on your high horse. You win, oh lord of everything that is cam phasers. You are so special and amazing calling someone dumb for a simple question.
Brian is the patron saint of Ford vehicles 🙏🏻
May your son Alex take over the sainthood going forward.
I hope so.
i retired as a senior master tech 10 years ago from ford dealerships ( where they feed on your soul),,but i thoroughly enjoy seeing Your excellent videos knowing that someone still cares about true customer service!!!
Your 2010 Escape clock spring video was a God sent , got my air bag light off and fixed the horn , and cruise control all fixed for $70.00 Dollars , plus my time witch took about 3 hours thanks 👍
Thank you for releasing this video. My '18 Expedition was left at the dealership for the startup rattle issue. I previously had my phasers replaced at ~36k miles, and now at ~77k miles the rattle is back. Looking back at my RO for the first phaser replacement, the dealership used the HL3Z part#. Once my dealership confirms they need to replace the phasers I will definitely make sure they use the ML3Z part# you provided. Also, the extended phaser warranty expired 1/1/2023. I was lucky enough to get in on 12/30/2022. Hopefully the new phasers last until we're done with our Expedition, lol (large family).
I just had my 2018 with 28k mileage in the Ford dealer for this.Flying Wrenches had a video out on this too. I verbally insisted and wrote a note and attached it to the service write up. Yes they put the new style phasers in it. Thanks for sharing this info to others.
Just bought the 2022 3.5l eco f150, im so glad they fixed this problem already.
I just got done doing the cam phasers , guides, tensioners and chains on our 2018 3.5 king ranch! Your videos came very handy and truck is running like a champ. We did fork out a couple of grand in parts but we replaced with new OEM parts even parts that could have been reused. Thank you for the help man!
Great Video. I have a '17 MKZ with a 3.0L ecoboost with 31k miles that needs new phasers. Have been waiting on valve cover gaskets to come in to be able to do the job for going on a month. After watching this video I called and asked about making sure I am getting the latest revision of the phasers when they finally get around to working on it. The service advisor was going to "check with the parts dept" and call me back...
Famous last words
Just got mine back today from SanTan Ford here in AZ and they did this exact job. Luckily they used the new latest and greatest part numbers from this video, so thank you for posting this.
How much did it cost?
Nice detailed info on these phasers and the importance of asking for the new updated ones right off the bat. I'm not deeply involved in mechanics of my vehicles like I used to be, but man, your videos are the very best on RUclips. Thanks for sharing and keep up your stuff!
I couldn't of said it any better. Thank you.
Brian I just had my 18 phasers done for the second time on warranty. The first time was last December 2021 and just last week. They used the H series phasers in the first job at 65000 KM and M series at 82000 KM. My truck made phaser noise on deceleration while the engine was still cold. Once warmed up no deceleration ratcheting noise.
thank you ,tearing my motor apart today and had to go and exchange my phasers for the new design . thanks again you saved me a bit of work
I recently picked up a new to me '19 3.5 platinum and a 3 yr extended warranty...if I get this issue I am praying it comes up during the warranty! Thanks for you videos!
I used your first Gen video and some other sources to DIY replace the phasers chains etc on my 2017 F150. Thanks!!!
Thank you so much for sharing this info! I watch every video you do because you are meticulous in your methods so much so that I would definitely trust you to work on any of my Ford products. My son came to you with his 2018 2.7L Ecoboost with the ten speed just to have his transmission serviced by you when he was living in Morris, IL he is a welder and luckily he was close to you when he needed his truck serviced! Matter of fact I would much rather have you work on my 2013 Ford F-150 with the 3.5L Ecoboost! Again thanks for sharing your knowledge with us here on RUclips!
The algorithms understood that I picked up my 2019 today and sent me this video. Thankfully it all check out! Thank you for the content!
lol
@@FordTechMakuloco does this damage somehow the engine.. i found another video that keep gas pedal on and satrt vehicule to build oil pressured wich it help to reduce the noise ?? Any advice...
Thanks for the video Brian! I did this job in April of 2020 on my 2011 F150 using the numbers you showed in the 3 part video series you made for the 1st gen 3.5 Ecoboost.
So these new updates phasers can be installed for a 2012 f-150?
With the part numbers he listed?
@@lizethgomez4338i have the same question
Thank you! My trucks in now for phasers (glad I got the extended warranty), I just sent a message to my service advisor asking him to confirm this part number.
I had a recall or notice on my 2019, don't remember which. The dealer said there was nothing wrong with them but would replace them when, not if, they went out.
Brian, if you quit making videos, you would be so wealthy beyond your dreams! I also have a 2010 5.4 3v that you have make me think of getting rid of it. Bought it used with 94.000 miles, don't know anything about it other than it supposedly had a tune-up before I bought it.
Thanks for your service too!
I have an 04 5.4 and it's incredibly mind boggling that Ford still struggles on many if the same design issues. Maybe a costly class action lawsuit would fix the problem instead of rinse and repeat.
Thanks for sharing all your finding and knowledge Saved me and many more people so much time just by watching your video !!! Any time I 2nd guess myself I watch your videos and trust you are 1 smart dud thanks again!!
Just saw this video. I had the phasers on my 2018 F150 3.5 done earlier this year. I had no idea that they could use the same old part. I quickly checked my invoice from the warranty job, and much to my relief the new part numbers were listed. Thanks for this info. Very reassuring!
Der, Did they replace them when you took it in, or did they try and adjust the timing in the modules first. Ive heard they do everything they can not to replace these.
How much did it cost?
Did Ford still cover?
Thank you very much for this video. I had my cam phasers replaced almost 2 years ago at 87,000 kms (54,000 miles-ish) and my 2017 F150 is making the same noise on a cold start at 150,000 kms (90,000 miles). I took it into the dealership and they quoted me $4400 to repair. I just looked at my previous bill and the part number is HL3Z6C525CD. Bastards did exactly what you mentioned....used up old stock. It looks like I'm going to have a fight on my hands Monday morning. Thanks again!!
Howd it go?
@@calebmastruserio7811 so I got Ford Canada involved and they were excellent. They covered the majority of the bill, leaving me with $900. They gave me $500 in Ford credits for parts/service and a 2 year maintenance package with free oil changes. On the other hand, the dealership were douchebags and I won’t ever be returning.
@@robertcooper6910 oh good work, glad to hear it. How's your truck running? Hopefully good for a long while now, lol
@@calebmastruserio7811 ya seems to be running well now. I'd really like to hang on to it for a few more years.....other than this nonsense, it's been a great truck and I really can't see spending $80k (CDN) just to buy the same thing with a bigger screen. Thanks for checking in!
@@robertcooper6910 absolutely fair, and no problem! Your comment piqued my interest lol
In the simplest terms, you are a nice person.
Excellent info as always Brian, thanks!
Thanks for putting this, and everything else you've done, on the toob.
Thanks alot I have that problem I thought it was my lifter but seeing that video made me really think about it but I think I'm going to still trade it in because it is truly a lot of work
Thank you, sir! I finally know what that rattling sound is!!
Thank you for your videos, I am normally a Toyota guy, but I bought a 2018 Ford F150 3.5 liter eco boost With at 92,000 miles on it this past summer, Just based on the fact that I live in the rust belt of Pennsylvania, And I know these ford bodies are aluminum, I do like the truck so far , Other than the fact that the engine oil pan apparently seeps oil , and the the rear end was a quart and a half low on gear oil , Which is concerning, I would’ve thought the dealer would’ve topped that off, before they put the truck up for sale, At any rate I’m hoping with your informative videos I can keep this truck going for a while, thanks again
I wished I watched this prior to my first phaser fix.... but here I am 3 years later with finally the correct working redesigned phasers! Just to note, in 2/21 they replaced my phasers with the crappy ones, they lasted about 40k miles before they failed and started to rattle. Hopefully now that's the last time I have to deal with it!
The way Ford service operates is enough to make you loco.
FordTechMakuloco just hooked me up with a timing chain & associated components replacement. Plugs, cooling system flush, and a rear differential service. Services worth the money. Cheaper to be proactive than reactive. Definitely cheaper than a new truck. Oh, I think he fixed my front driver side seat as a courtesy; I remember it having a slight forward/ backward. Couldn’t figure out what was different until about 2-3hrs later I realized I wasn’t moving during acceleration/ braking. Thanks BSG!!!
P.S.- Another thing that no longer present is the cold start rattle!!! Had gotten so used to it that I had kinda blocked it out. Super early this morning, around 1am, I went outside to pay special attention to it upon initial startup. Just as I suspected after watching this video and seeing the same service completed on my truck the issue was no longer present. I just fell back in love with my truck again.
Did you know how he fixed it? I have the same issue with the seat. Thank you.
@@gabrielalvarado8959
Not until after I left his shop. Took me about 2-3hrs on the road before I realized what was different. I knew something felt different. Tighter. No clunking. Thought it was in the power train, but that made no sense. Was driving… thinking… then it hit me. I’m not moving back & forth, or side to side. Wished he would’ve told me so I could thank him!!!
@@e.b.6766 Great, enjoy your truck! Thanks.
What was the cost? Folks make these videos but never put of what they charge or the cost
Thanks for the information. My truck is in for service now for this issue.
Nice, I noticed some suspension upgrade on the newer e series vans/cutaways too (specifically the rear shackles)
The original looks like old technology. Mind blowing!
Eco be damned! I'm glad for this advice since the mechanics I've been happy with for decades said replacing the cam phasers would be around $1,500. My 2018 F-150 with 91,000 miles recently has the rattle on start up. The problem as I understand it from other U Tube mechanics is the lack of oil getting to the phasers on startup. The press the gas pedal to the floor for a few seconds on start-up to get oil to the phasers is working for me right now. No more rattling causing damage from lack of lubrication. Replacing with the correct parts without fixing the oil flow problem doesn't make sense to me. Getting a regular V8 and paying for lower gas mileage is starting to make sense compared to all these expensive repairs. If someone complains more CO2 would be released without the Ecoboost, we must factor in the pollution emitted by all the new parts being manufactured. I worked for industry reducing their pollution that saved them money under 1990's regulations. I never dreamed Ford would be this incompetent when I bought my first American made vehicle in 40 years.
This is great information. Replacing the timing system on an eco boost so I’ll get the updated phasers.
I have a 2020 Ford Transit with this engine and I have taken notes...Thanks!!!
@Blank Looks like it. I just checked Wiki, LOL, and I do have the gen 1...
I'm already starting to see vehicles repaired previously maybe 2-3 years ago come back with failed VCT units again. We make sure we use the new parts for the customer unlike those sketchy dealers you talk about.
Love your videos on these f150s. Thank you
Your 5.4 video series on replacing the cam phasers was a true blessing to me and guided me through the job with ease. Will you be doing one for the 3.5 as well?
He has a video series already on the channel for the 3.5.
Yes, I just finished shooting a long video on the 3.5L Ecoboost 2nd gen as seen here, and I already have a series on the first gen Ecoboost.
If not repaired will it cause engine failure?
Thank you very much for your advice. This is very helpful.
Wow Brian always great watching ur video …
Just had a truck in, and they used the new parts. Thank you.
All good so far?
Great video! Great advice!
I'll just keep My 04 4.6 2v F150. Great video BTW!
I'm big fan and this is a great channel and your very informative. Love it. I have some questions . Now Is the fix the same for 13' Ecoboost Explorer.? Because mine does this very badly and is the starter turning over and the engine not starting a symptom of this?
It's hard to believe that the ecoboost engines are made by the same company that once made something as bulletproof as the 4.6L V8. Just look at that shoddy OEM phaser... looks like something that was manufactured in the Soviet Union in the 1950s.
Especially with that stupid looking spring.
@@gregjohnson2073 I know, they should have used a smart looking spring
18 yrs later my 04 4.6 L STILL PULLING MY BASS BOAT
@@Tom-ic7hw you haven't stretched a valve yet on your 4.6 2v. I always thought the 4.6 was good till it blew spark plugs or stretched valves or loose a rocker arrm.
Still rocking my 4.6 at 276k miles original everything, Trans and all🤙
Thanks for sharing
Outstanding info. Thank you
Thanks for this update.
Awesome explaination and information!!!
Great timing and my catching up with a couple as yet unseen videos from Brian. Almost 47,000 miles and the cam phasers just started rattling a few days ago on my 2019. Guess I get to see how well that 100K Gold Used Certified extended warranty and the 21N03 program works and if I can "convince" them that to use the old design would be a mistake.
Owner of a 1st gen ecoboost f150..bought in 2011..on my 3rd engine..Amazing ford is still having this issue all these years later..been a ford guy all my life..will never own another one..
thks for really great info
Thank you for the great update
I wish I had found this video about 8 months ago :) Thanks so much for the explanation and the new parts. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and find a dealer or the mechanic to do this work, but NOT looking forward to it on my 2018.
Hey Maluuka any chance of a vid about dealing with the undercarriage rust? What's the bes product and what's the best paint? Can I paint the diff cover? What paint. We need these topics addressed Maluuka.
Thank you so much!!! My 2019 f150 ecoboost has a nasty rattle on startup. Had no idea about the structure of these engines, but i knew it had to do with timing. Glad I purchased an extended warranty. Any idea on deductible amount for a job like this?
Thank you sir, big help to me!
My 3.7 is still doing well. I'll let you know when I switch back to Toyota for a solid state hybrid. 😃
This is one BIG thing I hate about auto manufactures - their customers are the test bed. We pay big money for these autos and we are made to test them out.
Nobody wants to buy vehicles at the end of their production runs, because it's not the latest "it" thing. Yet those are often the most reliable ones and can often be had for a better price.
The story of GM and Ford
Under a manufacturer warranty in which you don’t pay for anything. And get rental coverages…. Relax dude
@@blackhawk7r221 and everyone else as well. Buy something that is proven.
Video is great and very informative. Im actually having the engine of my 17 f150 3.5L ecoboost replaced and am having the mechanic replace the cam phasers and timing components. Will these new model numbers fit the 2017?
You are Amazing
Thanks so much
Just had this service done on my 2019. They took the cab off tho? Looks like they forgot to unplug the connector on the ABS modual and damaged it then decided to zip tie it back on and I wounld'nt notice. Looks like you have a much better meathod for this repair/ upgrade.
Good information
Great info!! Thank you!!
Great info! I hope your knee gets healed! Did the brace work that you bought??
My knee?
Can you please help me with the how the timing marks have to be set before removing? Great video lots of great info..,
Great video man thank you
So I literally just got my 2020 F150 3.5L ecoboost Platinum back from the dealership two days ago for the cam phaser job...thru Ford's extended warranty.
Before the job, we had a 20 minute discussion where I told them repeatedly, that I wanted the new cam phasers installed that are in this video... They agreed to do it.
First off they had my truck for 2 weeks...even though it was scheduled formthe first day. No biggie. But when I got it back, when I looked at the paperwork, it showed the old phasers--HL3Z.
When I brought this to the Service adviser's and the tech's attention, they acknowledged they did not install the ML3Z version... But that they did install the newer HL3Z cam phasers, that supposedly have an "anti-rattle clip". They said they had to because Ford wouldn't cover the warranty job if the paperwork showed ML3Z phasers.
They said they could tear the engine back down and replace the cam phasers with the ML3Z ones, but that if the ML3Z phasers blow the engine or if the cam phasers just fail, then when they had to send the cam phasers back to Ford for the warranty, the claim would get denied and I would likely be left with a blown engine and the costs associated with it would be mine alone.
Their concern was the new updated cam phasers in this video could potentially not be exactly as the old set and it could throw the timing off, causing catastrophic failure.
2 questions:
1. Would the Ford extended warranty still cover my engine if it blew up, after using the ML3Z cam phasers?
2. Are the new style cam phasers, ML3Z, legit? Are they the exact same specs as the HL3Z (meaning the same amount of sprocket teeth and distance between each tooth...etc)? Do you still use the same timing chain for ML3Z as was used for the original timing chain for the HL3Z?
If somehow you get this, even though it's a year later, and you do actually reply, THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!!!
Thank's Brian, I don't see much in the way of dark varnish deposits, a good sign.
Looks well cared for, but even with good maintenance, still the customer gets hosed.
Very clean inside!
@@FordTechMakuloco Thanks for everything!
Thank you for this video
I had mine done last year(under warranty)at 95,952 and my invoice is showing they used the old style (HL3Z) cams. At the time, they said the timing chain/guides were not in need of replacement. If you were in my situation, when would you be preventatively seeking to go back into the motor for a tear down to check timing components? Any other advice? Thanks for all you do
Very informative! Can you determine and make a video on what is causing the typewriter/bbq tick on the coyote third gen 18-20 motors please! I’m sick of being asked if it’s a diesel
They are very noisy yes and always have been, with the added changes in 2018 it only got worse. The noise is normal but all the other issues that come along with it are not.
This video is very helpful and very well done - thank you!
I have a 2017 F150 with around 90,000 miles and I’m getting ready to have the CAM phasers done - again - because the dealership used the original designed parts for the job and they are failing again (loud noise on cold starts).
I’ve also had the IWE issue and both front sides replaced and a starter replaced.
Are there any other common issues i should be keeping in mind with the 2017 3.5 F150? I also have the heavy tow package.
My Ford warranty is about to expire and I’m trying to decide if I should buy an extended ford warranty.
Would love your thoughts
Bryan, thanks for sharing this informative video, which is definitely very helpful.
And although we expect Ford should prevent this same design problem in newer models, do you know if the 2021 and newer 3.5L ecoboost engines have this same problem?
Just wondering.
They don't or At least i haven't seen any issues with timing on them so far. But time will tell.
@@worldbestsoldiers I hope that no timing issues will ever develop with these models cause I wanna buy a 2023 F150 with the 3.5L ecoboost.
@@cma8165 ya nothing major yet.
Now Ford can FINALLY tackle those Romulan disruptors...
Cmon, I had to make that joke!
We got a 2019 F150 a couple months ago and started looking how to make it last. I think I will be doing dual oil catch cans, cold air intake then bigger intercooler due to the higher temperatures in AZ.
Glad my old 5.4 hasn’t had any problems
I have had my timing chain and phasers replaced twice. I told the dealer that I use Mobile 1 full synthetic oil and told them to use it. They did, but at the first oil change after the work, I got an extra 4 quarts of oil out of it. They never drained the old oil out. Service advisor told me it would not hurt the engine. I did not believe him. Two weeks later my oil pan leaked and they put a new one on. 5k miles later I had timing chain rattle at startup. Dirty oil messed up the phasers. They did the whole replacement again. After that I started getting heating problems when in the turbos. New water pump, thermostat, then radiator. Still not right. Frustrated with the service.
Great info! Thx
Quick question does this mean I would be able to buy a full on 21-22 chain,tensioner, and phaser kit and throw it into my 17 3.5 ecoboost? & Thanks for the clarification on what’s going on under my hood now time to get to it!
Hey Brian, I’ve got a 2019 Raptor with 34k on it. Had zero issues and no phaser noise. Do you think I should preemptively have the phasers replaced now? I hate to fix something that ain’t broken (yet?). Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Well, I had a funny noise coming from the engine on startup a year and a half ago. The tech determined it was the Phaser recall and performed it. 4 days ago, I had a loud cold startup noise. Sounded like a phaser. On my way to Ford the noise started getting louder at 1500rpms, not just at cold startup. They diagnosed it as the cam phaser issue. They sent me an email to approve the $4,500 job to replace them. I'm at 101,000 miles on my 2018 f150 3.5 eco. They did the job at 77k. I'm heading down there to talk with them about the parts they added when they did the recall. I doubt I have any ground to stand on, but this is a recurring $4,500 issue that it appears is part of the plan for Ford to recoup some recall costs.
Update: After sitting at ford and looking at my records of service, this will be my 3rd(confirmed) Cam Phaser replacement. 1 at 70k (old HLZ part), one at 81k(MLZ part) and this one at 101k (new part number approved in May 2023). The second round used the part numbers in this video and lasted almost exactly 20k miles. The tech is going to send me a picture of the cam phaser part that was installed to confirm that what is on the truck is in fact the newer MLZ part number. He mentioned if it is the new MLZ part number, that it's the first of those that he's seen fail. Which if true, speaks volumes about that parts resilience.
Brutal. Let us know if there's any resolution. Dealing with the same on our '18 F150 as well, 70k miles.
Another update. The $4500 did not include anything else, guides, tensioners, vct etc. Added that to the list and it's now $6,000. One more item to note: If Ford replaces parts under warranty or tsb, it's a 1 year warranty. If YOU pay for it, it's a 2 year warranty. Also, I spoke with a manager to see if anything can be done about the price. It's worth a shot, but haven't heard back yet on options there. Ultimately, any engine work on the 250's especially 6.7's is probably a lot more. So I guess I have that going for me...Here's the TSB for the cam phasers in case anyone is interested. It ended 1/1/23 though: static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10199482-0001.pdf
I had this issue on my 2013 for years. Had no idea what it was until recently. I traded it in with 99k two months ago for a 2021 5.0 black widow
Do you have any issue while driving with bad Phaser?
@@studritaf207 nope. Rough start for years. Truck drove fine
Hey Brian, on a friend's 20 f150 with the 10speed tranny, there's a mild grinding metal sound while idling and on acceleration on take off. I figured it was due to the noisy fluid pump on the newer 10speed but while driving, it feels like when the clutch slips (when you make a bad shift but not jerky) on a manual tranny, so I'm kinda thinking it might be a internal bushing or something else. Last dealership he took it to said they could hear or find anything but I mean it's definitely noticeable now.
F-150's in general seem to have phaser and timing chain issues over the years. I had a 2010 5.4 which was notorious for the tensioner, as I learned from all your videos (Thank you!) And now you're doing videos of the ecoboosts having timing and start rattle issues. I sold the 2010 and got a '21 with the Cayote 5.0. I changed the oil already at 2k, 5k, and 10k, and plan on every 5k from now on.
My question is this: has the 5.0 also shown long term issues with timing components, or has this problem shifted mostly from the old tritons to the 3.5's? Do you think regular oil changes will keep those components clean enough to prevent such a big timing job for a very long time, or has Ford just continued to not learn their lesson with oil starvation across all engines? Thanks for your channel! I've been a subscriber ever since I bought that 2010 all those years ago, and knew to listen for the cold start rattle (which is when I decided to move on :D)
Thanks for the video and info. What is the cost to get this work done (rough amount)?
Thank you sir.
Another great and informative video Brian. I am a long time subscriber and have relied upon your advise to keep my 2007 Eddie Bauer Expedition 5.4 running trouble free. My daughter now has it and at 220,000 miles it is still running good. I now have a 2019 Expedition Limited with the 3.5 Ecoboost. Just hit 50,000 miles and have again followed your advise, changing the oil every 5000 miles. No phaser rattle yet, but am now very concerned. Is there any preventive measures that can prolong the life of these phasers, or are they destined to fail?
Ford knows this issue. How has this not become a class action lawsuit
I had my '18 F-150 3.5eb phasers replaced back in October of 2020 for the cold start rattle at just over 53,000 miles and they said they had the updated parts installed at the time. The repair took 8 days and then upon getting my vehicle back I made it less than three miles from the dealership in Omaha before black smoke was billowing from under my truck and people were pointing at me. I immediately took it back and they had it another day and replaced all of the gaskets and seals. I had a constant whistle sound at idle after that and they said it was normal and bring it back if it gets worse since there was no diagnostic code that popped up. Now, I once again need the cam phasers replaced at 99,000 miles and its outside of warranty. I was looking at my repair invoice and the part numbers say HL3Z-6256-CD and HL3Z-6C525-CD. Talked to my service advisor the other day and he said that it's the updated cam phasers that were installed and that it can have the same part number as before but it's actually the updated phasers and his tech would not be installing the old versions. Is this correct or is my service advisor not being honest with me? Anyone having issues with the new phasers. I've had other warranty work done on other parts of the vehicle and each time I've had to come back. They once forgot to put the mounting bolts back in on my brake caliper and I made three blocks. Had a transmission flush done recently since they said they don't need to replace the filter. Replaced the trans pan and filter about 400 hundred miles later and the fluid was brown. While i was under there I noticed two of the transfer case to transmission mounting bolts were sticking out from when they replaced my transfer case when I had only a couple hundred miles on the truck. Apparently to difficult to get to so no need to tighten. SMH. Planning on going somewhere else now instead of the dealer where I bought the truck since my extended warranty expired. Sorry for venting but my blood's been boiling the last few days.
No that is incorrect, they must list the correct part number on the repair order.
My 2019 Raptor started doing that 80k miles luckily it was still under warranty
Three weeks ago I bought a 2017 F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost. Cherry condition with 54K. I got it at a Ford dealership who told me it was a trade in. Good carfax report- one owner with regular service maintenance. When negotiating the sale I reflexively declined the ~$5000 optional engine/drivetrain limited lifetime warranty (15 years or 999,999 miles and a $100 deductible per repair). The finance manager, Jim said "I'm not trying to sell you but this truck has techy engine and 10 speed transmission." He encouraged me to reconsider and offered it at what he said was his cost $1995. I saw the wisdom in this and went for it. Sure enough it has with the phaser rattle. Ford tells me that my truck is not part of the 21N03 program. Thank you, Jim!
Next time get the Ford warranty on line at Lombard Ford. You'll save big! But don't expect too much from it. When my chain tensioner went bad in a 2010, they only offered a rebuilt engine - from a local firm. Said they aren't required to use Ford parts on warranty work.
Thank you for this video. I had my cam phasers replaced in /11/ 2021 with the old style. One or both has just gone out. Anyone know what fords warranty is on replacement parts and labor?
Ford Cam Phasers: Job security for FordTechMakuloco!
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Thanks for showi g us this, i guess part stors dont have it