I think the hype is understandable for a company that seemingly accomplished what everyone wanted but the big companies can't seem to manage. The tiny form factor is a huge deal and the custom fit sounds so great on paper. Many people are quite forgiving of its downsides for the future that seems to promise. But it's a logistical nightmare, especially for a smaller company. Adjustability and a couple of squishy semi universal absorbent inlay choices would probably work out much better for everyone. Do hope they continue the work though and that we'll see more smaller headsets in the near future. Also fingers crossed for the index 2 arriving sometime before the end times.🤞
The only thing I like about it is the micro-OLED, because the last OLED headset before that was the Vive Pro dating back to 2018, as far as I know If I were to purchase it, I'd have to compromise on the fact there's no more IPD control anymore. But I've also compromised by purchasing a 6 years old headset for its AMOLED, despite its relatively lower resolution.
Holy crap I feel like I've been in a damn echochamber with this headset and the subset of the community hyping that that don't even own it, thank you SO MUCH for making this video. I feel like everytime I bring this up on VRChat there's a 50/50 chance people are absolutely confused thanks to the reviews never putting enough emphasis on these very serious flaws of the headset, and even more confusion when I state that I opted for the Quest 3 over it. I preordered by bigscreen beyond in the first 30 minutes and honestly it was the biggest regret I've had on buying any VR gear. I kept mine past the return period because I really wanted to like the headset and felt like there was just no other options that could achieve that level of image quality while not having to do jankery with mixed VR full body... until I tried a quest 3 at best buy around january and vive released the ultimate trackers beta that enabled quest compatability. I put my beyond on ebay where I ironically got more than I paid for the thing. I literally share every single issue you have (even the IPD being off issue, they sent me a second one due to that lol) so yeah it's honestly nice to see someone make an honest video on this. Absolutely getting a sub from me lol.
This was literally my experience with the Beyond, from incorrect IPD and such a small sweet spot, all the way to fan issues on the replacement headset they sent. The only difference was my fan must not have worked, because my screen stayed foggy for the 1.5 hours I actually wore the replacement. They wanted to send me a third headset, but I declined. It was a $200 lesson in "don't believe the hype" and in the future, I won't be so inclined to buy a Beyond 2, if that were to happen. It's sad that the Quest 3's lenses are far superior to all of them, but I'll stick with my Index since I'm able to start a game or VRChat quickly, with the least amount of friction.
Great review, helps to balance out the hype! My experience was similar to yours. The simple way I put it for people is, everything is worse than the Index except resolution and the compact size (and you’ve reminded me the microphone, which still required external software for me to boost the audio levels). The good thing is you can get used to most of the pitfalls, and after you do, the small and lightweight form factor really does shine. More natural head movement, less accidental controller bumps, slightly easier expressiveness for social vr (head banging, head nodding and shaking, general posture), all of that adds to a better experience in one way. But in other ways, there are some real sacrifices.
Thanks for your candid and detailed review of the bigscreen! I have a quest pro (which did not come with a head strap) so understood the pain of wearing an HMD too tight. However, for $30 the Globular Cluster headstrap+pad kit alleviated all my comfort issues, so I can wear it now for hours without a problem. I'm always on the lookout for newer better headsets -- the bigscreen may have missed the mark, but it is nice to see other companies stepping in with new ideas.
thank you for the candid review. mine arrives tomorrow and i'm so nervous about the fit being right after waiting so long for it. this review was interesting to me bc my main reason for buying the beyond was comfort, which is of course relative. i'm also upgrading from an index, which felt comfortable for the first 1000 or so hours but now feels very heavy and uncomfortable on my face (the broken head strap doesn't help, but i'm out of warranty). i'm hoping the beyond will be better in that regard. i'll come back and update this comment if i remember.
I don't have a Beyond, was thinking about it and started hearing of people having IPD and face pad problems and needing to return it for a proper adjustment. Sounds like a pain in the butt. I do have a Index which I replaced with a Reverb G2v2, the resolution of the G2 puts the Index to shame plus the I find the G2 more comfortable and it is also lighter, I bought a pair of "VR Dongles" and use OpenVR Space Calibrator and now use my Valve knuckles with the G2. I also have a Quest 3, the optics of this HMD are amazing. I guess what I'm getting at here is everyone's face shape and eyes are different, I'm 65, so many YT reviewers have said they see SDE in the Q3, where I see none but yet I can see very faint SDE in the G2 if I look for it in the right conditions (light blue skies in some racing sims). As for the Index, I was happy to shelf that HMD, for myself, it wasn't that comfortable the SDE wasn't great and the glare and god rays were horrible (kind of like the OG Vive). The unfortunate part of VR, you have to take a chance on any given HMD since you don't get to "try before you buy". One person might love a particular HMD where as the next person will hate it just due to different head shape and eyes. Us Humans are not created equal physically.
Been loving the beyond personally. You have to give yourself a chance to get used to anything that's attached to your face. Was a little uncomfortable in the beginning but in time I learned how to make it more comfortable. I only use one strap and have it positioned more to the crown of my head. Still looking forward to the audio strap to increase comfort even more. It's been almost 2 months and I have no desire to put the index back on again, it's just too big. Also use steam vr supersampling to help with performance issues. Have it down to 52% on high demanding games and the image is still crisp. My fan doesn't make that noise. Never wearing a toaster on my face again.
Yeah it’s a Shopify thing. Shopify collects the money not the merchant. Always read the terms of sale and ctrl F for “fee” and “return” and “refund”. Same when you buy a service that says unlimited. Look at their terms and ctrl F to find “fair usage” and “unlimited”
Index user with a 3090 here : I'm glad I found this video for this main issues of limited 'sharp' view, long term comfort, and fan noise. I was very close to getting this device as a supplemental device. But applaud big screen for the customer support and risking entering a very niche. My future will be with the aging index by adding eye tracking and face (mouth) tracking and putting up with the weight and cabling damaged over my 3+ year usage.
I agree completely about the nose gap and that and the single user limitation is what stops me trying a bigscreen beyond. I went throught the same or similar problems when I bought the pimax 8kX, even when all the VR youtubers were saying nothing but good it turned out to be a glitchy brick that nearly snapped your neck ot wear, it was so glitchy you could barely use it at all and nearly melted your face from heat, I was so mad at youtubers for over hyping it and really happy to see a honest review from you here.
About the Beyond, out of all the videos I watched, there's 1 guy who said: if you have the audio strap for the Beyond, you can very easily flip up the headset thanks to the hinges, which allow him to have a look around and say good night to his child without having to remove the headset entirely. Flip up, do your things, flip it back down
I used to use a valve index and a bigscreen byond and i loved both very much. I use a quest 3 now and have since sold my VI and BB. 1 simple reason, WIRELESS CAPABILITIES! I can't live with the cable anymore for a headset especially since I love the freedom to go anywhere in my home and outside with the headset and not being hauled back by my cable getting wrapped up or caught up. Plus less things to have no more light houses etc. and everything already works in the headset for pcvr wirelessly which is awesome!
A great video, thank you for your balanced opinion. I loved my Q2 so much, I got the Q3 shortly after launch and I was amazed at the massive sweet spot, processing speed and resolution. The facial interface is good but I upgraded it with a decent head strap too, which is a given, but as you say the Q3 is such good value and there are so many really good straps on the martet, who cares. My strap was £20. The Q3 is superb for PCVR. I'm currently playing through Cyberpunk.
I feel the same, i thought its going to be more comfortable. The strap doesn't hold it securely for long, later slowly slide down out of sweet spot. The solid strap for quest 2 is more comfortable, it snap into place and have reasonable resistence that hold it in place with very minimal movement. It quite worm after an hour or two. The contrast and colour is good. It's overall a bit underwhelming. when it work properly, it's the best headset i had but that's 20% of the time.
They really sacrificed too much on the optics stacks just to make it as small as possible. I dont think anyone would have minded the lenses to be 1.5x larger and the housing be ab it larger to accommodate. The glare is really the most unfortunate part, if they fix the glare issue in a v2 they are golden.
Me too. Loving the beyond, Ive come from Index then onto the Aero then Beyond. I get far better performance from the Beyuond than the Aero at the same render resolution and graphics settings. The glare disappears when Im driving so no worries there. FOV could be better, Beyond 2 should fix the glare with bigger 4k oled panels and bigger lenses.
Why do you prefer using your index daily over the quest? if i can ask?.... Im torn on which to get next....played a few of them... mosly Quest 2/3.....but i have the $$ now to get any one.....but still keep concluding that quest is best all around..........I agree about the reviews of the Beyond. They seemed fake...and the customer service and shipping time turned me away..... I looked into the Vive and saw ppl say it had actual best resolution but had flaws...,.. i was going to get a Pimax....but decided to wait for the Crystal Super and will get it def.... Even tho i also hear their customer service isn't great
It's the easiest to use with SteamVR and PC, which is what I use most often, no additional setup or middleware like Meta Quest Link or having to calibrate Vive trackers each time. The Index Knuckles are still my favorite controllers in spite of how fragile and expensive they are. The headset never dies because there it's not battery powered. The gray uniformity of my Index is better than that of the Quest 2s and 3s that I've tried. It's also the most comfortable headset imo, and has the widest FOV and refresh rate of the mainstream headsets, and the picture has no compression unlike Quest Link. Plus I already own it; I bought it before the Quest 2 came out. Most all of these complaints can either be remedied or are insignificant with the Quest 3 imo (continuous tracking with an extra Vive tracker, aftermarket straps, the compression is negligible with a cable, dev mode can boot Quests into PC Quest Link without confirmation, etc.). The FOV and refresh rate of the Quest 3 are close enough to the Index and any decrease in those I would gladly trade for the Quest 3's vastly superior lenses. The Valve Index is a legacy headset at this point but still suits me best for my use case. I will wait until Valve makes another headset, and if they don't, I may very well run my Index into the ground. Thankfully it is repairable, unlike Meta's headsets. I've never tried a Pimax or Varjo headset but I don't trust either of them based on their track records. It's not just about the specs of a headset, it's about the whole user experience. I think most headsets are not very good. I still enjoy trying out as many as I can (bought and returned bc I didn't like, or at stores or universities) because they are so vastly different from each other. They all have compromises and few strike a balance that I feel is acceptable for mainstream use. TL;DR The best mainstream headset is the Quest 3. I have a hard time recommending anything else unless you can't afford the Quest 3, go with the now $200 Quest 2 or you want face tracking, go with the Quest Pro. All other headsets I've tried are either too dated and/or compromise too much in too many areas that leads to an overall poor user experience.
@iconoclass thanx. Exactly what I figured. Gonna ride the Quest 3 for now(with cable link).... and wait for next Vive or Pimax.....which I hear are about to be announced soon......because my main wants from a headset is FOV....clarity....and comfort.... I mostly sim race and I can't get ACC to top out graphically(even tho I heard on a 4090 it's still iffy)........I have a 4070/16gb/1 I7..... may get 4090..... but my plan was to top out headset and get t A top cpu.. .just to see if that will improve that game specifically.......but not sure it will. .
I'm in no rush, i'll wait for the mk2. Appreciate your honest review and hope BB takes on aboard the negative reviews and try to improve their product.
Yeah... I tried the Beyond a few months ago and had many problems from the rubbish headstrap being horrid for comfort, the horrible visuals between the glare, the really bad edge to edge clarity (more like fresnel lenses rather than pancake), the really bad sweet spot, colour leakage on the blurry parts of the FOV and other things which you mentioned. I stuck to my Quest Pro and the Globular Cluster comfort mod + BoboVR batteries dock. With this, it's the most comfortable headset I've used with it being perfectly balanced in front and back weightedness. I got it for a similar price new to a Quest 3. I've used a Quest 3, 2, Pro, Valve Index and Bigscreen Beyond. But yeah, I hope Bigscreen get better with their next headset and learn from this headset to solve for the many flaws. (And it would've been far nicer if they didn't hide the 20% return fee in the fine print, lol.)
Yeah I have an index, a beyond and as of a few days ago a quest 3 and I honestly; I don't like the blurry edges with the big screen beyond. I to have to have the strap on tighter than I'd like as well The marking of the cable by the clip on the back of the head strap is something I brought up to the community day 1 as a concern of mine. I will say the screen door effect is very noticeable on the quest 3 compared to what i remember on the index.
To be fair, many youtube reviewers complained about the glare and small sweetspot. But buyers were so desperate for an OLED vr headset that many of them ignored the negative comments in the reviews and bought it anyway. More fool them.
I don't care how light it is if it doesn't have the clarity and comfort to match the price. As much as I wish this thing lived up to the hype, the narrow fov and even narrower sweet spot is a huge dealbreaker. Thank you for a review that's not just gawking at the size weight and "clarity".
I have owned many different VR headsets, and in my opinion the Bigscreen Beyond is the best PCVR headset available on the market right now. But it is a mixed bag. It is necessary to keep your eyes forward in this headset and turn your head instead, rather like using varifocal eye glasses, and not everyone will be able to get used to that. It's clear that you had fitment issues, and that's something that is very sensitive in this headset. The experience is very different when the fitment is right. Everything about its visuals including how bad the glare is is affected by fitment. People who are singing this headset's praises are literally having a different experience than you are. I find mine very comfortable. I have very little pressure on my strap, and it stays in place perfectly like it's supposed to. So again, fitment issue. Comfort is a very personal thing between VR headsets. Also I can't even hear the fan in mine. So that's an aspect where you just got a bad unit. However, given the total of your complaints, I doubt that even a good unit with ideal fitment would work out for you. So I think it's probably a good call on returning it. Even with the fitment dialed in I won't say that this headset is perfect. Its lenses are its weakest aspect. It still manages the second best display available (behind the Pimax Crystal). The Quest 3 isn't far behind (much better lenses, but much weaker panels), but with all the Quests you're dealing with significant latency for PCVR and poor FBT support. The Pimax Crystal is buggy AF. There isn't a headset that nails it all. The upcoming Pimax Crystal Light might be a good option for you.
I got a replacement HMD with the correct IPD and a thinner replacement cushion and still had issues with the glare. I don't trust Pimax. I will keep using my Valve Index for as long as I can simply because it is still the best all around PCVR headset imo. If Valve ever makes another headset then maybe I'll upgrade to that.
I would have bought an Valve Index. However they do not sell them to me. I do not want to go with anything Meta because I do not trust them in terms of privacy. I do not like the HP Reverb I got, as it do not track well enough for me. Mainly it seems to have issues with where exactly it is supposed to be, so the headset bumps slightly aside randomly causing a lot of frustration playing beat saber for example. I wonder now years later, if perhaps there may be some manufacturing issue with it. In any case. I am now just not sure what to do to get a good vr experience again. I really miss my Oculus Rift at this point.
Index resolution is outdated. Psvr 2 has mura screen problem which is very very bad. Quest 3 with wireless is best choice with bigger fov and best lense out there.
6:32 I still think that the uncomfortable meta headstrap should not be excused. It hurts VR that the 'most popular' headset is uncomfortable out of the box. No other wearable (where there is competition) would get away with this. Even cheap watches don't have deliberately uncomfortable straps.
Thanks for the honest review. I just got my quest 3 a few weeks ago and was considering investing in more VR but I will skip the big screen beyond. Even the minimal amount of glare on the quest 3 bothers me sometimes.
I think that the Pimax Crystal Super, that‘ll come out Q4 this year i think. 3840x3840 That‘s a crazy resolution. But Foviated Rendering should make that a lot better. Lets see what the future brings!
@iconoclas have you ever had your IPD measured by a optometrist, how does it compare to your second headsets IPD? Sounds like the depth of the interface was to deep, which is why you saw an improvement while making it tighter. I am hearing people are having to get up to 3 new cushions till they get the "perfect" one. I would only get this VR headset if I had a Nvidia 480 or better. There is enough wrong with your second unit, that I would recommend reaching out for another replacement.
Depends what you're looking for really. Index is getting kind of old but comfort wise it seems to be one of the best overall. Quest 3 is mostly for people who want hassle free standalone VR that can also connect to a PC along with good resolution and good pass through. Do you mind having base station? Some people hate them, and the Index needs them. Personally, I still had everything from when I purchased the first Vive, so I could have went the Index route if I wanted to.
2:29 Vive Pro user here. I don't mind having a bad microphone because I don't use it. Don't want to pay premium price for a microphone that I don't want. It should be an option.
inside out tracking (not really much of a problem imo) and resolution (obviously), other than that I'd advise to not use oculus link and to use virtual desktop instead because it's easier on vram
Its unfortunate that a headset that costs $1000 and requires another $500 or so worth of extra hardware for anyone not upgrading from a current base station headset has as many compromises if not more than the quest 3 / psvr2 which are half the price.
BB is not perfect and it has it flaws too like any other VR headset. Owning a Index for years it starts to feel way to heavy to play for more than an hour. íll really hope they will continue to bring out the next version of BB with a wider FOV.
Its definitely not as good as it was made out to be by reviewers. That being said i dont have any comfort issues with mine and its the main reason i love mine so much. i have chronic pain issues with my back and neck and the drastic weight reduction from my switch to the beyond means i can play for much longer, previously having pain issues after just half an hour. Now with the beyond i'm able to easily empty the batteries in my trackers with minimal pain increase over time. i am very gladly putting up with all the issues the beyond brings with it for this as it finally allows me to spend more time in vr without taking painkillers
my case, when I first got it I had a issue with my face cushion, however I put in a ticket and got a thinner comfortable cushion, and now I can say it officially replaces my index. combined with airpods even better. to the point where I am able to accidentally fall asleep with the headset on. while I understand it may not be a headset for everyone, I do think in my opinion its a good step and my favorite headset. however, people do tend to overhype something like this, or say its completely perfect, there are things you have to get used to, like if you have the thick face gasket at the bottom and top of your vision, there is a slightly pink hue, however, your eyes get used to this eventually, the darkness of the displays isnt a issue simply because you dont have any light leakage. but yeah, I like the headset pretty good in my *opinion*
Unpopular Opinion but I actually like the Q3 Headstrap, but I only just got my Q3 this week and haven't gone past 2,5 hrs yet due to battery limitations. In contrast the quest pro even with comfort kit I couldn't go past 45 mins for comfort reasons while I could go all day with the index.
I had tried VR in the past but only recently decided to buy a headset because I feel the technology finally justifies the price. My decision was between the meta quest 3 (with many 3rd party accessories) or the big screen. I ended up with the quest 3 and at least with my use case I have absolutely no regrets. This video kinda solidified that for me, so thank you for sharing!
Seconded. As Quest 3 owner im also happy with my purchase. The only downside is my poor choice of 128gb model instead of 256gb. It is because I will not overpay for storage, all these “all in ones” follow Apples greedy upgrade charges and storage is the most absurd one.
@filipivan5125 I also went with the 128gb option but after downloading mnay games and some productivity apps I still have 45GB to spare. While the security of extra storage is nice, I have a PC and laptop that I can pair with the headset making storage and even proformance in many circumstances not an issue. But the fact this headset is stand alone and can be used in so many use cases is why this headset is so amazing to me haha
I have both of these headsets. I consider the Beyond to be superior for PCVR. And I use it most of the time. I use Quest 3 when I'm travelling or to play its exclusives. This video was made by someone who had a bad experience with the Beyond, and it sounds like it just doesn't work properly for him. To be sure, issues that he talks about in the video are real. But when you have fitment problems with this headset, these issues get amplified significantly and aren't minor anymore. But I wouldn't say that his experiences are necessarily representative of what your experiences would have been if you'd gone with the Beyond instead. They're certainly different from mine.
@@SargonDragon I mainly use my headset for productivity when connected to my PC and a big part of that is because I don't like being attached to a wire when playing games and network delays can be bad for me. So for me the games I do play are mainly ones found in the quest store. I also do not watch many movies w it cause I am not a movie person. The passthrough mixed w stand alone kinda kills any advantages the beyond has for me. I realize that not everyone will have the same opinion based on use case, which again is part of what makes the quest line so intriguing to me. So yes I agree a lot of the issues in this video are fit related but finding the right fit is a real struggle esspecially when you have no clue what your fit is when buying your first headset. I think if I had recived the wrong fit, I would have returned the headset as well and been less likly to reinvest to find the right fit if it was a hastle. This is another advantage of the quest as it is adjustable for different people.
That is a shame, I hope it doesn't fall into the same pit Pimax has with it's headsets. Cool hardware, lack of knowledge or care for human wearables for the sake of keeping it the smallest. I hope Beyond 2 improves on this.
out of all of the people i know who have a Bigscreen Beyond, 1 person recommended it over my index. everyone else says its garbage. the sweetspot is tiny, the fov is psvr1-like and there are too many compromises. i just want an upgraded index at this point but no one seems to care enough to make a headset with little compromises while offering features that drive the industry forward, not even valve. vr has one foot in the grave while companies nickel and dime its own userbase.
I want a valve index with Qled high res panels and Q3 optics That would be the perfect headset Valve fk you for not doing that But man i think you are a little too harsh about the BSB I dont have it and im a little hesitant to buy it but after all that research im ready to deal with all that problems im i buy it Other option is pimax light.But that a pure simmer headset. All i know about the BSB is that is a hit or miss headset.Some love it some hate it. You make it seem that all of the people that praise it are straight lying. Some may do but overall if you find it comfortable and dont mind about the glare its a great headset. Also face shape matters.Some people have bigger FOV less glare some dont. You might be unlucky in that sense but other might have a completely different experience. Either way its the only headset thats not a brick and that good for the future of VR for everyone. Maybe in the next years companies will value that and create a middleground with good optics,close to your face center of gravity for low inertia and high res high contrast panels. That would sell like crazy.
I didn't mean to imply that other reviewers were wrong, just that they give the impression that this is a universally loved headset (which it is not). Different things matter different amounts to different people. As you mentioned, this is a very hit or miss headset, and unfortunately it was not for me. I did mention some of the positives I enjoyed but my main reason for making this video was to share my impressions and give my overall review of the Beyond, which for me is negative as I would not choose to use it over other older headsets.
These are all valid concerns, however let me shed some light on a few topics. You should not be having a small edge to edge clarity, while it's no qpro/3 level, if you have that problem your gasket is not a good fit. BSB makes thick gaskets for some reason, but many users myself included report that ordering a thin gasket fixes that issue and makes the glare appear only on the edges which makes it very manageable, otherwise it's borderline unplayable. I wish they informed users properly but like you stated, that's a problem with the way they are doing the gaskets. They need to restructure everything and I hope they can solve these issues. Lastly comparing pancake lenses glare to Meta without mentioning that Meta has a patent on their coating is just misleading. There will never be pancake lenses without glare that aren't from meta unless we figure out a way to go around that. There's no other proven scientific method for getting rid of glare like that. That's why pimax didn't use them along with the need for brighter panels. People all want pancake lenses but forget that fact. What they really want are Meta's pancake lenses.
I said in the video that I got a thinner gasket (with my replacement Beyond) which unfortunately didn't help much. As for the patent, I didn't know about that but I figured Meta's solution was proprietary; I even mentioned the optics stack in addition to the size of the lenses. In-house or not, I was simply pointing out what mattered to the end consumer, that the glare is bad, and much worse than compared to the Quest 3.
I will say one thing. The IPD issue is entirely normal and they literally have it in their facescan FAQ that you should NOT use your normal headset IPD due to the screens being closer than a normal headset. They say to use atleast 1mm lower than your normal headset.
I didn't see that part of the FAQ, I blindly trusted the face scan which gave me an IPD 2mm higher than what I normally use (3mm too high). When I did a rescan, I got 1mm higher (2mm too high) which was overridden by the IPD that support put in, which was 1mm lower than what I normally use. As I said in the video I think this process is just one of several of the symptoms of having a fixed IPD which I do not believe is worth it. If the IPD was adjustable then this and all the other issues would not be a problem. It also must be an incredible hassle and expense for Bigscreen themselves. It also makes the supply chain so much more complex and just adds headache for everyone involved (including the customers) for a benefit I believe isn't worth the cost.
@@iconoclass I personally wholeheartedly disagree with not having fixed IPD in this specific HMD. it already comes with a personal cushion. There's no reason not to have a fixed IPD. Especially because it not only adds complexity but more moving parts which are a point of failure. They specifically state that the IPDs in the face scans are not 100% accurate and that you should get a second opinion. That's why even though I don't go to the eye doctor, I went to a place to get an IPD measurement.
@@vulpix9210 I think you just convinced me not to purchase one. I'd love to try out their micro-OLED and the headset seems very promising, but I might not be the person this product is marketed towards.
@@vulpix9210 I attempted to reply to your comment but it looks like RUclips decided to hide it. I think you just convinced me not to purchase one. Although there are definitely good things about it, there's also some other things I'm less happy about. Perhaps I'm not the intended target for such a product.
@@replacesoundboard which is perfectly fine. This product is a bespoke product for a certain subset of people who value comfort and weight above all else within gaming. It's not really designed as a browsing HMD. it's not for reading. It's good for watching movies while looking at the center of the headset, and it's good for gaming that makes you turn your head a lot while usually looking at the center of the HMDs vision. Which is exactly what I use my Vive Pro for. It definitely isn't an HMD made for people who would use it to use it as a desktop monitor replacement. I have 2 16:9s and a 32:9 monitor to do my work on. I wouldn't wanna work in VR to begin with.
And this is why VR is a fad, nobody is pleased with anything. For VR to be successful it should be "like wearing sunglasses", have a 280° field of view, resolution of 120 pixels per degree with flawless optics, 0 persistence, 900Hz refresh rate, wireless, battery life of one week, completely silent, capable of surviving being ran over by a train just after coming out from a hammer mill, do your taxes, clean itself, full body tracking to the micrometer at a 6999MHz sampling rate, cost 100 dollars but also have exclusive customized headsets that cost thousands so elitists are happy to spend so much money.
Bigscreen is like the worse product and the most hassle thing to order ever in human history. Oh you need to borrow your friends' Iphone to scan your face and not knowing whether it is correct or not because Jesus is the only one that knows lol, oh if you're not that rare people who already own a lighthouse trackings already, you got to buy it in separated webtsite plus taxes and shipping separately 😵💫
those arent the reason of the flaws lol usually the only people buyin these have money and the face scan is actually useful it could solve a lot of problems for annoying face mask for other headsets too
saved my $1000 that i currently don't have right now
Get an Quest 3, Megane X Light, or Pimax Crystal Light
@@toututu2993 got an index already
Same lol
@@toututu2993how is the crystal light?
I think the hype is understandable for a company that seemingly accomplished what everyone wanted but the big companies can't seem to manage.
The tiny form factor is a huge deal and the custom fit sounds so great on paper. Many people are quite forgiving of its downsides for the future that seems to promise.
But it's a logistical nightmare, especially for a smaller company. Adjustability and a couple of squishy semi universal absorbent inlay choices would probably work out much better for everyone.
Do hope they continue the work though and that we'll see more smaller headsets in the near future.
Also fingers crossed for the index 2 arriving sometime before the end times.🤞
The only thing I like about it is the micro-OLED, because the last OLED headset before that was the Vive Pro dating back to 2018, as far as I know
If I were to purchase it, I'd have to compromise on the fact there's no more IPD control anymore. But I've also compromised by purchasing a 6 years old headset for its AMOLED, despite its relatively lower resolution.
Holy crap I feel like I've been in a damn echochamber with this headset and the subset of the community hyping that that don't even own it, thank you SO MUCH for making this video. I feel like everytime I bring this up on VRChat there's a 50/50 chance people are absolutely confused thanks to the reviews never putting enough emphasis on these very serious flaws of the headset, and even more confusion when I state that I opted for the Quest 3 over it. I preordered by bigscreen beyond in the first 30 minutes and honestly it was the biggest regret I've had on buying any VR gear. I kept mine past the return period because I really wanted to like the headset and felt like there was just no other options that could achieve that level of image quality while not having to do jankery with mixed VR full body... until I tried a quest 3 at best buy around january and vive released the ultimate trackers beta that enabled quest compatability. I put my beyond on ebay where I ironically got more than I paid for the thing. I literally share every single issue you have (even the IPD being off issue, they sent me a second one due to that lol) so yeah it's honestly nice to see someone make an honest video on this. Absolutely getting a sub from me lol.
Face hurts after a couple hours. In order to keep the sweet spot, I have to have the headset on way tighter than what's comfortable for me
It's annoying, and a shame. This was advertised as the most comfortable headset but weight alone does not equal comfort.
I feel so bad for you guys and it’s weird that so many people praise this headset due to all its problems
@@iconoclasswhat do you think would be better value index or quest 3
@@FuriousKaicurious to the opinion on this as well.
@@FuriousKai quest 3 the valve index is a little outdated now
Thanks for such a honest clean review!
This was literally my experience with the Beyond, from incorrect IPD and such a small sweet spot, all the way to fan issues on the replacement headset they sent. The only difference was my fan must not have worked, because my screen stayed foggy for the 1.5 hours I actually wore the replacement. They wanted to send me a third headset, but I declined. It was a $200 lesson in "don't believe the hype" and in the future, I won't be so inclined to buy a Beyond 2, if that were to happen. It's sad that the Quest 3's lenses are far superior to all of them, but I'll stick with my Index since I'm able to start a game or VRChat quickly, with the least amount of friction.
Great review, helps to balance out the hype! My experience was similar to yours. The simple way I put it for people is, everything is worse than the Index except resolution and the compact size (and you’ve reminded me the microphone, which still required external software for me to boost the audio levels). The good thing is you can get used to most of the pitfalls, and after you do, the small and lightweight form factor really does shine. More natural head movement, less accidental controller bumps, slightly easier expressiveness for social vr (head banging, head nodding and shaking, general posture), all of that adds to a better experience in one way. But in other ways, there are some real sacrifices.
Thanks for your candid and detailed review of the bigscreen! I have a quest pro (which did not come with a head strap) so understood the pain of wearing an HMD too tight. However, for $30 the Globular Cluster headstrap+pad kit alleviated all my comfort issues, so I can wear it now for hours without a problem. I'm always on the lookout for newer better headsets -- the bigscreen may have missed the mark, but it is nice to see other companies stepping in with new ideas.
I have the pro and now the Bigscreen. As a simracer it’s really good. The latency is far better.
I don't agree with the rest of this review, but I do feel the headset could have greatly benefited from glass lenses to reduce some glare.
thank you for the candid review. mine arrives tomorrow and i'm so nervous about the fit being right after waiting so long for it. this review was interesting to me bc my main reason for buying the beyond was comfort, which is of course relative. i'm also upgrading from an index, which felt comfortable for the first 1000 or so hours but now feels very heavy and uncomfortable on my face (the broken head strap doesn't help, but i'm out of warranty). i'm hoping the beyond will be better in that regard. i'll come back and update this comment if i remember.
I don't have a Beyond, was thinking about it and started hearing of people having IPD and face pad problems and needing to return it for a proper adjustment. Sounds like a pain in the butt. I do have a Index which I replaced with a Reverb G2v2, the resolution of the G2 puts the Index to shame plus the I find the G2 more comfortable and it is also lighter, I bought a pair of "VR Dongles" and use OpenVR Space Calibrator and now use my Valve knuckles with the G2.
I also have a Quest 3, the optics of this HMD are amazing.
I guess what I'm getting at here is everyone's face shape and eyes are different, I'm 65, so many YT reviewers have said they see SDE in the Q3, where I see none but yet I can see very faint SDE in the G2 if I look for it in the right conditions (light blue skies in some racing sims). As for the Index, I was happy to shelf that HMD, for myself, it wasn't that comfortable the SDE wasn't great and the glare and god rays were horrible (kind of like the OG Vive).
The unfortunate part of VR, you have to take a chance on any given HMD since you don't get to "try before you buy". One person might love a particular HMD where as the next person will hate it just due to different head shape and eyes. Us Humans are not created equal physically.
Been loving the beyond personally. You have to give yourself a chance to get used to anything that's attached to your face. Was a little uncomfortable in the beginning but in time I learned how to make it more comfortable. I only use one strap and have it positioned more to the crown of my head. Still looking forward to the audio strap to increase comfort even more. It's been almost 2 months and I have no desire to put the index back on again, it's just too big. Also use steam vr supersampling to help with performance issues. Have it down to 52% on high demanding games and the image is still crisp. My fan doesn't make that noise. Never wearing a toaster on my face again.
Wait, he returned a device with a faulty fan and still got charged restocking fees?
Yeah it’s a Shopify thing. Shopify collects the money not the merchant. Always read the terms of sale and ctrl F for “fee” and “return” and “refund”. Same when you buy a service that says unlimited. Look at their terms and ctrl F to find “fair usage” and “unlimited”
Yes because they’d send him another unit completely free of charge if wanted.
@@Mar-5016 but he had to pay for it? That doesn't sound like "free of charge" to me
Index user with a 3090 here : I'm glad I found this video for this main issues of limited 'sharp' view, long term comfort, and fan noise. I was very close to getting this device as a supplemental device. But applaud big screen for the customer support and risking entering a very niche. My future will be with the aging index by adding eye tracking and face (mouth) tracking and putting up with the weight and cabling damaged over my 3+ year usage.
Its one opinion. I have the bigscreen and another opinion.
Thanks for the honest review, gave me new perspective.
I agree completely about the nose gap and that and the single user limitation is what stops me trying a bigscreen beyond. I went throught the same or similar problems when I bought the pimax 8kX, even when all the VR youtubers were saying nothing but good it turned out to be a glitchy brick that nearly snapped your neck ot wear, it was so glitchy you could barely use it at all and nearly melted your face from heat, I was so mad at youtubers for over hyping it and really happy to see a honest review from you here.
About the Beyond, out of all the videos I watched, there's 1 guy who said: if you have the audio strap for the Beyond, you can very easily flip up the headset thanks to the hinges, which allow him to have a look around and say good night to his child without having to remove the headset entirely. Flip up, do your things, flip it back down
Thanks for keeping it real in an ocean of inauthentic content.
I used to use a valve index and a bigscreen byond and i loved both very much. I use a quest 3 now and have since sold my VI and BB. 1 simple reason, WIRELESS CAPABILITIES! I can't live with the cable anymore for a headset especially since I love the freedom to go anywhere in my home and outside with the headset and not being hauled back by my cable getting wrapped up or caught up. Plus less things to have no more light houses etc. and everything already works in the headset for pcvr wirelessly which is awesome!
A great video, thank you for your balanced opinion. I loved my Q2 so much, I got the Q3 shortly after launch and I was amazed at the massive sweet spot, processing speed and resolution. The facial interface is good but I upgraded it with a decent head strap too, which is a given, but as you say the Q3 is such good value and there are so many really good straps on the martet, who cares. My strap was £20. The Q3 is superb for PCVR. I'm currently playing through Cyberpunk.
I feel the same, i thought its going to be more comfortable. The strap doesn't hold it securely for long, later slowly slide down out of sweet spot. The solid strap for quest 2 is more comfortable, it snap into place and have reasonable resistence that hold it in place with very minimal movement. It quite worm after an hour or two. The contrast and colour is good. It's overall a bit underwhelming. when it work properly, it's the best headset i had but that's 20% of the time.
They really sacrificed too much on the optics stacks just to make it as small as possible. I dont think anyone would have minded the lenses to be 1.5x larger and the housing be ab it larger to accommodate. The glare is really the most unfortunate part, if they fix the glare issue in a v2 they are golden.
I only use the Bigscreen for simracing. It's great for that. The low latency is amazing
Me too. Loving the beyond, Ive come from Index then onto the Aero then Beyond. I get far better performance from the Beyuond than the Aero at the same render resolution and graphics settings. The glare disappears when Im driving so no worries there. FOV could be better, Beyond 2 should fix the glare with bigger 4k oled panels and bigger lenses.
Why do you prefer using your index daily over the quest? if i can ask?.... Im torn on which to get next....played a few of them... mosly Quest 2/3.....but i have the $$ now to get any one.....but still keep concluding that quest is best all around..........I agree about the reviews of the Beyond. They seemed fake...and the customer service and shipping time turned me away..... I looked into the Vive and saw ppl say it had actual best resolution but had flaws...,.. i was going to get a Pimax....but decided to wait for the Crystal Super and will get it def.... Even tho i also hear their customer service isn't great
It's the easiest to use with SteamVR and PC, which is what I use most often, no additional setup or middleware like Meta Quest Link or having to calibrate Vive trackers each time. The Index Knuckles are still my favorite controllers in spite of how fragile and expensive they are. The headset never dies because there it's not battery powered. The gray uniformity of my Index is better than that of the Quest 2s and 3s that I've tried. It's also the most comfortable headset imo, and has the widest FOV and refresh rate of the mainstream headsets, and the picture has no compression unlike Quest Link.
Plus I already own it; I bought it before the Quest 2 came out.
Most all of these complaints can either be remedied or are insignificant with the Quest 3 imo (continuous tracking with an extra Vive tracker, aftermarket straps, the compression is negligible with a cable, dev mode can boot Quests into PC Quest Link without confirmation, etc.). The FOV and refresh rate of the Quest 3 are close enough to the Index and any decrease in those I would gladly trade for the Quest 3's vastly superior lenses.
The Valve Index is a legacy headset at this point but still suits me best for my use case. I will wait until Valve makes another headset, and if they don't, I may very well run my Index into the ground. Thankfully it is repairable, unlike Meta's headsets.
I've never tried a Pimax or Varjo headset but I don't trust either of them based on their track records. It's not just about the specs of a headset, it's about the whole user experience.
I think most headsets are not very good. I still enjoy trying out as many as I can (bought and returned bc I didn't like, or at stores or universities) because they are so vastly different from each other. They all have compromises and few strike a balance that I feel is acceptable for mainstream use.
TL;DR
The best mainstream headset is the Quest 3.
I have a hard time recommending anything else unless
you can't afford the Quest 3, go with the now $200 Quest 2 or
you want face tracking, go with the Quest Pro.
All other headsets I've tried are either too dated and/or compromise too much in too many areas that leads to an overall poor user experience.
@iconoclass thanx. Exactly what I figured. Gonna ride the Quest 3 for now(with cable link).... and wait for next Vive or Pimax.....which I hear are about to be announced soon......because my main wants from a headset is FOV....clarity....and comfort.... I mostly sim race and I can't get ACC to top out graphically(even tho I heard on a 4090 it's still iffy)........I have a 4070/16gb/1
I7..... may get 4090..... but my plan was to top out headset and get t
A top cpu..
.just to see if that will improve that game specifically.......but not sure it will.
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I'm in no rush, i'll wait for the mk2. Appreciate your honest review and hope BB takes on aboard the negative reviews and try to improve their product.
Yeah... I tried the Beyond a few months ago and had many problems from the rubbish headstrap being horrid for comfort, the horrible visuals between the glare, the really bad edge to edge clarity (more like fresnel lenses rather than pancake), the really bad sweet spot, colour leakage on the blurry parts of the FOV and other things which you mentioned. I stuck to my Quest Pro and the Globular Cluster comfort mod + BoboVR batteries dock. With this, it's the most comfortable headset I've used with it being perfectly balanced in front and back weightedness. I got it for a similar price new to a Quest 3. I've used a Quest 3, 2, Pro, Valve Index and Bigscreen Beyond. But yeah, I hope Bigscreen get better with their next headset and learn from this headset to solve for the many flaws. (And it would've been far nicer if they didn't hide the 20% return fee in the fine print, lol.)
Yeah I have an index, a beyond and as of a few days ago a quest 3 and I honestly;
I don't like the blurry edges with the big screen beyond.
I to have to have the strap on tighter than I'd like as well
The marking of the cable by the clip on the back of the head strap is something I brought up to the community day 1 as a concern of mine.
I will say the screen door effect is very noticeable on the quest 3 compared to what i remember on the index.
For the beyond cable get cable pulleys, makes it far more comfortable
To be fair, many youtube reviewers complained about the glare and small sweetspot. But buyers were so desperate for an OLED vr headset that many of them ignored the negative comments in the reviews and bought it anyway. More fool them.
This video helped me big time give me all the info I need to save my time and money. Thanks for all your work making this video
I don't care how light it is if it doesn't have the clarity and comfort to match the price.
As much as I wish this thing lived up to the hype, the narrow fov and even narrower sweet spot is a huge dealbreaker.
Thank you for a review that's not just gawking at the size weight and "clarity".
Imagine the next Beyond, if they can fix the blurr.
Quest 3 it is I appreciate the point out the issues and the focal point and hope they improve the headset if they do a Beyond 2
yea i'm also disapointed, i'm returning mine and getting somethin else.
I have owned many different VR headsets, and in my opinion the Bigscreen Beyond is the best PCVR headset available on the market right now. But it is a mixed bag. It is necessary to keep your eyes forward in this headset and turn your head instead, rather like using varifocal eye glasses, and not everyone will be able to get used to that.
It's clear that you had fitment issues, and that's something that is very sensitive in this headset. The experience is very different when the fitment is right. Everything about its visuals including how bad the glare is is affected by fitment. People who are singing this headset's praises are literally having a different experience than you are.
I find mine very comfortable. I have very little pressure on my strap, and it stays in place perfectly like it's supposed to. So again, fitment issue. Comfort is a very personal thing between VR headsets.
Also I can't even hear the fan in mine. So that's an aspect where you just got a bad unit. However, given the total of your complaints, I doubt that even a good unit with ideal fitment would work out for you. So I think it's probably a good call on returning it.
Even with the fitment dialed in I won't say that this headset is perfect. Its lenses are its weakest aspect. It still manages the second best display available (behind the Pimax Crystal). The Quest 3 isn't far behind (much better lenses, but much weaker panels), but with all the Quests you're dealing with significant latency for PCVR and poor FBT support. The Pimax Crystal is buggy AF. There isn't a headset that nails it all.
The upcoming Pimax Crystal Light might be a good option for you.
I got a replacement HMD with the correct IPD and a thinner replacement cushion and still had issues with the glare.
I don't trust Pimax. I will keep using my Valve Index for as long as I can simply because it is still the best all around PCVR headset imo. If Valve ever makes another headset then maybe I'll upgrade to that.
I would have bought an Valve Index. However they do not sell them to me. I do not want to go with anything Meta because I do not trust them in terms of privacy. I do not like the HP Reverb I got, as it do not track well enough for me. Mainly it seems to have issues with where exactly it is supposed to be, so the headset bumps slightly aside randomly causing a lot of frustration playing beat saber for example.
I wonder now years later, if perhaps there may be some manufacturing issue with it.
In any case. I am now just not sure what to do to get a good vr experience again. I really miss my Oculus Rift at this point.
finally a review for a real person not those viral youtubers who doesnt even play or don't go BEYOND 1 hours of gaming every week xd
when psvr2 pc port comes out can you tell me if that's better than index
Index resolution is outdated. Psvr 2 has mura screen problem which is very very bad. Quest 3 with wireless is best choice with bigger fov and best lense out there.
6:32 I still think that the uncomfortable meta headstrap should not be excused.
It hurts VR that the 'most popular' headset is uncomfortable out of the box.
No other wearable (where there is competition) would get away with this. Even cheap watches don't have deliberately uncomfortable straps.
Thanks for the honest review. I just got my quest 3 a few weeks ago and was considering investing in more VR but I will skip the big screen beyond. Even the minimal amount of glare on the quest 3 bothers me sometimes.
I think that the Pimax Crystal Super, that‘ll come out Q4 this year i think.
3840x3840
That‘s a crazy resolution. But Foviated Rendering should make that a lot better.
Lets see what the future brings!
@iconoclas have you ever had your IPD measured by a optometrist, how does it compare to your second headsets IPD? Sounds like the depth of the interface was to deep, which is why you saw an improvement while making it tighter. I am hearing people are having to get up to 3 new cushions till they get the "perfect" one. I would only get this VR headset if I had a Nvidia 480 or better. There is enough wrong with your second unit, that I would recommend reaching out for another replacement.
hey I am a sucker for good water vr games, what was that pool looking game in the background?
kayak vr
Also check out the demo for Subside, in case you haven't already!
would be able to tell me why you dont want to use a quest 3 instead of the index, because I am looking at a quest 3 over the BSB
Depends what you're looking for really. Index is getting kind of old but comfort wise it seems to be one of the best overall. Quest 3 is mostly for people who want hassle free standalone VR that can also connect to a PC along with good resolution and good pass through.
Do you mind having base station? Some people hate them, and the Index needs them. Personally, I still had everything from when I purchased the first Vive, so I could have went the Index route if I wanted to.
2:29 Vive Pro user here. I don't mind having a bad microphone because I don't use it. Don't want to pay premium price for a microphone that I don't want. It should be an option.
11:10 I hope not. I don't want to pay more than what I need.
Thank you!!!! 😀
Quest 3, here I come!
What is the difference between the Quest 3 and the Index playing HL:A?
inside out tracking (not really much of a problem imo) and resolution (obviously), other than that I'd advise to not use oculus link and to use virtual desktop instead because it's easier on vram
14:19 That's nice of you. I'm not bothered but nice of you to think about people who are
Thank you, really appreciate a review without the hyperbole !
Why not to try the pimax Crystal Light? You will be so excited by the clarity and visual experience.
Its unfortunate that a headset that costs $1000 and requires another $500 or so worth of extra hardware for anyone not upgrading from a current base station headset has as many compromises if not more than the quest 3 / psvr2 which are half the price.
Yeah, it's more of a headset for enthusiasts who already have everything from their previous purchases
BB is not perfect and it has it flaws too like any other VR headset. Owning a Index for years it starts to feel way to heavy to play for more than an hour.
íll really hope they will continue to bring out the next version of BB with a wider FOV.
Its definitely not as good as it was made out to be by reviewers. That being said i dont have any comfort issues with mine and its the main reason i love mine so much.
i have chronic pain issues with my back and neck and the drastic weight reduction from my switch to the beyond means i can play for much longer, previously having pain issues after just half an hour. Now with the beyond i'm able to easily empty the batteries in my trackers with minimal pain increase over time.
i am very gladly putting up with all the issues the beyond brings with it for this as it finally allows me to spend more time in vr without taking painkillers
cant really say you were unfair either.. i think you brought up some good points.
Well, thanks for the video. Although I don't agree with everything you said, it seems I'll be happier with my current headset than with a Beyond
my case, when I first got it I had a issue with my face cushion, however I put in a ticket and got a thinner comfortable cushion, and now I can say it officially replaces my index. combined with airpods even better. to the point where I am able to accidentally fall asleep with the headset on. while I understand it may not be a headset for everyone, I do think in my opinion its a good step and my favorite headset. however, people do tend to overhype something like this, or say its completely perfect, there are things you have to get used to, like if you have the thick face gasket at the bottom and top of your vision, there is a slightly pink hue, however, your eyes get used to this eventually, the darkness of the displays isnt a issue simply because you dont have any light leakage. but yeah, I like the headset pretty good in my *opinion*
quick edit, for edge to edge clarity, if you just get the slimmer cushion it gets about the same clarity as a index. but thats all
I did get a 2nd cushion that was slimmer, but even with that there was not even close to edge-to-edge clarity.
You saved me, thanks.
I'm waiting for the consumer version to come out. I have high hopes for this headset but this prototype isn't it.
Unpopular Opinion but I actually like the Q3 Headstrap, but I only just got my Q3 this week and haven't gone past 2,5 hrs yet due to battery limitations. In contrast the quest pro even with comfort kit I couldn't go past 45 mins for comfort reasons while I could go all day with the index.
I had tried VR in the past but only recently decided to buy a headset because I feel the technology finally justifies the price. My decision was between the meta quest 3 (with many 3rd party accessories) or the big screen. I ended up with the quest 3 and at least with my use case I have absolutely no regrets. This video kinda solidified that for me, so thank you for sharing!
Seconded. As Quest 3 owner im also happy with my purchase. The only downside is my poor choice of 128gb model instead of 256gb. It is because I will not overpay for storage, all these “all in ones” follow Apples greedy upgrade charges and storage is the most absurd one.
@filipivan5125 I also went with the 128gb option but after downloading mnay games and some productivity apps I still have 45GB to spare. While the security of extra storage is nice, I have a PC and laptop that I can pair with the headset making storage and even proformance in many circumstances not an issue.
But the fact this headset is stand alone and can be used in so many use cases is why this headset is so amazing to me haha
I have both of these headsets. I consider the Beyond to be superior for PCVR. And I use it most of the time. I use Quest 3 when I'm travelling or to play its exclusives.
This video was made by someone who had a bad experience with the Beyond, and it sounds like it just doesn't work properly for him. To be sure, issues that he talks about in the video are real. But when you have fitment problems with this headset, these issues get amplified significantly and aren't minor anymore.
But I wouldn't say that his experiences are necessarily representative of what your experiences would have been if you'd gone with the Beyond instead. They're certainly different from mine.
@@SargonDragon I mainly use my headset for productivity when connected to my PC and a big part of that is because I don't like being attached to a wire when playing games and network delays can be bad for me.
So for me the games I do play are mainly ones found in the quest store. I also do not watch many movies w it cause I am not a movie person.
The passthrough mixed w stand alone kinda kills any advantages the beyond has for me. I realize that not everyone will have the same opinion based on use case, which again is part of what makes the quest line so intriguing to me.
So yes I agree a lot of the issues in this video are fit related but finding the right fit is a real struggle esspecially when you have no clue what your fit is when buying your first headset.
I think if I had recived the wrong fit, I would have returned the headset as well and been less likly to reinvest to find the right fit if it was a hastle. This is another advantage of the quest as it is adjustable for different people.
@@LostBam Quest 3 does sound like it was the right choice for you.
The fan was shocking it sounds like a plane at 30000ft not a small vr headset
That's not how its supposed to sound. Mine doesn't make noise like that. Mine is quiet.
That is a shame, I hope it doesn't fall into the same pit Pimax has with it's headsets. Cool hardware, lack of knowledge or care for human wearables for the sake of keeping it the smallest. I hope Beyond 2 improves on this.
Totally agree about the face weight. I added weight to the back of mine to balance it. Much better.
out of all of the people i know who have a Bigscreen Beyond, 1 person recommended it over my index. everyone else says its garbage. the sweetspot is tiny, the fov is psvr1-like and there are too many compromises. i just want an upgraded index at this point but no one seems to care enough to make a headset with little compromises while offering features that drive the industry forward, not even valve. vr has one foot in the grave while companies nickel and dime its own userbase.
I just want an upgraded Vive Pro. It gets the job done but it was the last OLED headset for a long time
@@replacesoundboard PSVR2 with PC adapter should be good.
@@dtz1000 That could be an option, although now I'm also considering the Pimax Super that might be released by the end of the year
better off with a psvr 2 if ur looking for an oled display, its getting pc vr support soon
I want a valve index with Qled high res panels and Q3 optics
That would be the perfect headset
Valve fk you for not doing that
But man i think you are a little too harsh about the BSB
I dont have it and im a little hesitant to buy it but after all that research im ready to deal with all that problems im i buy it
Other option is pimax light.But that a pure simmer headset.
All i know about the BSB is that is a hit or miss headset.Some love it some hate it.
You make it seem that all of the people that praise it are straight lying.
Some may do but overall if you find it comfortable and dont mind about the glare its a great headset.
Also face shape matters.Some people have bigger FOV less glare some dont.
You might be unlucky in that sense but other might have a completely different experience.
Either way its the only headset thats not a brick and that good for the future of VR for everyone.
Maybe in the next years companies will value that and create a middleground with good optics,close to your face center of gravity for low inertia and high res high contrast panels.
That would sell like crazy.
I didn't mean to imply that other reviewers were wrong, just that they give the impression that this is a universally loved headset (which it is not). Different things matter different amounts to different people. As you mentioned, this is a very hit or miss headset, and unfortunately it was not for me. I did mention some of the positives I enjoyed but my main reason for making this video was to share my impressions and give my overall review of the Beyond, which for me is negative as I would not choose to use it over other older headsets.
We all fell for the shills.. the popular youtube, VR reviewers... No longer will I trust any of them..
I appreciate the honest review, so glad I cancelled the order.
These are all valid concerns, however let me shed some light on a few topics. You should not be having a small edge to edge clarity, while it's no qpro/3 level, if you have that problem your gasket is not a good fit. BSB makes thick gaskets for some reason, but many users myself included report that ordering a thin gasket fixes that issue and makes the glare appear only on the edges which makes it very manageable, otherwise it's borderline unplayable. I wish they informed users properly but like you stated, that's a problem with the way they are doing the gaskets. They need to restructure everything and I hope they can solve these issues.
Lastly comparing pancake lenses glare to Meta without mentioning that Meta has a patent on their coating is just misleading. There will never be pancake lenses without glare that aren't from meta unless we figure out a way to go around that. There's no other proven scientific method for getting rid of glare like that. That's why pimax didn't use them along with the need for brighter panels. People all want pancake lenses but forget that fact. What they really want are Meta's pancake lenses.
I said in the video that I got a thinner gasket (with my replacement Beyond) which unfortunately didn't help much.
As for the patent, I didn't know about that but I figured Meta's solution was proprietary; I even mentioned the optics stack in addition to the size of the lenses. In-house or not, I was simply pointing out what mattered to the end consumer, that the glare is bad, and much worse than compared to the Quest 3.
12:38 he deserves it
I will say one thing. The IPD issue is entirely normal and they literally have it in their facescan FAQ that you should NOT use your normal headset IPD due to the screens being closer than a normal headset. They say to use atleast 1mm lower than your normal headset.
I didn't see that part of the FAQ, I blindly trusted the face scan which gave me an IPD 2mm higher than what I normally use (3mm too high). When I did a rescan, I got 1mm higher (2mm too high) which was overridden by the IPD that support put in, which was 1mm lower than what I normally use.
As I said in the video I think this process is just one of several of the symptoms of having a fixed IPD which I do not believe is worth it. If the IPD was adjustable then this and all the other issues would not be a problem. It also must be an incredible hassle and expense for Bigscreen themselves. It also makes the supply chain so much more complex and just adds headache for everyone involved (including the customers) for a benefit I believe isn't worth the cost.
@@iconoclass I personally wholeheartedly disagree with not having fixed IPD in this specific HMD. it already comes with a personal cushion. There's no reason not to have a fixed IPD. Especially because it not only adds complexity but more moving parts which are a point of failure. They specifically state that the IPDs in the face scans are not 100% accurate and that you should get a second opinion. That's why even though I don't go to the eye doctor, I went to a place to get an IPD measurement.
@@vulpix9210 I think you just convinced me not to purchase one. I'd love to try out their micro-OLED and the headset seems very promising, but I might not be the person this product is marketed towards.
@@vulpix9210 I attempted to reply to your comment but it looks like RUclips decided to hide it.
I think you just convinced me not to purchase one. Although there are definitely good things about it, there's also some other things I'm less happy about. Perhaps I'm not the intended target for such a product.
@@replacesoundboard which is perfectly fine. This product is a bespoke product for a certain subset of people who value comfort and weight above all else within gaming. It's not really designed as a browsing HMD. it's not for reading. It's good for watching movies while looking at the center of the headset, and it's good for gaming that makes you turn your head a lot while usually looking at the center of the HMDs vision. Which is exactly what I use my Vive Pro for. It definitely isn't an HMD made for people who would use it to use it as a desktop monitor replacement. I have 2 16:9s and a 32:9 monitor to do my work on. I wouldn't wanna work in VR to begin with.
Zuckerberg..., quit paying 💰 peeps to dunk on competitors!!
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And this is why VR is a fad, nobody is pleased with anything. For VR to be successful it should be "like wearing sunglasses", have a 280° field of view, resolution of 120 pixels per degree with flawless optics, 0 persistence, 900Hz refresh rate, wireless, battery life of one week, completely silent, capable of surviving being ran over by a train just after coming out from a hammer mill, do your taxes, clean itself, full body tracking to the micrometer at a 6999MHz sampling rate, cost 100 dollars but also have exclusive customized headsets that cost thousands so elitists are happy to spend so much money.
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It's not that I disagree, you just left out so much and used too many words.
Bigscreen is like the worse product and the most hassle thing to order ever in human history. Oh you need to borrow your friends' Iphone to scan your face and not knowing whether it is correct or not because Jesus is the only one that knows lol, oh if you're not that rare people who already own a lighthouse trackings already, you got to buy it in separated webtsite plus taxes and shipping separately 😵💫
I use the Bigscreen only for Simracing and for this it’s really great
i have had similar experience with pimax too. good to know to avoid both of these companies.
those arent the reason of the flaws lol usually the only people buyin these have money and the face scan is actually useful it could solve a lot of problems for annoying face mask for other headsets too