Picking Your Deck | Learning cEDH - Episode 9
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2023
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Today's episode we talk about one of the biggest decisions you'll make in cEDH: what deck you're going to play. We cover a few different questions I'd ask players looking for a list, what those answers might mean for you, and decks to pick for players all along the spectrum of cEDH experience.
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I started with two decks back in 2013: Mayael the Anima and Child of Alara lands. Mayael has been shifted to Rocco and Child is still child.
Gitrog was my first cEDH deck, but Najeela has become my favorite.
Started with Kinnan, now playing Blue Farm as my main, loving it!
My first was a staxy budget Heliod
Yuriko and I still play it
15:57 This is golden advice for getting to the top at anything in life.
If someone has fun doing their own thing and finding everything out for themselves, that's totally valid.
It's just not how you become the best at anything. In most endeavours, there are too many options for a single human to pursue and try out.
Better to absorb the knowledge that is easily available and already there and then develop that further yourself.
Learning anything can be tough, and I think making that process as easy on yourself as possible is always helpful. I care way more about players getting early and often feelings of progression and success than I do everyone playing a good deck. It just so happens that those things often align.
The note on deckbuilding for cEDH connects really well back to "player types" and where people come to the format from. Casual commander players sometimes don't even have the understanding that, like, a casual Hearthstone player has - that there is an established set of strategies, and specifically *cards*, which set the pace for everything else. A bad casual hearthstone player might still rail against people for playing "meta decks," without fully understanding what a metagame actually is, but they know that there are some things that are known to be good and might even try to build in a way that crudely targets those established strategies.
All that to say that casual commander is an awful starting place for learning any competitive card game, not merely because of the complexity, but due to the lack of evaluation skills learned when interacting with a format where people are playing at the absolute upper limit of power. The people who are deckbuilding in those formats are not necessarily doing it because they love the self-expression (not to rule that out), but because they are trying to exploit the existing field or believe they are onto something that outstrips everything else currently happening.
It's like playing go fish at dinner with your family and then registering for a poker tournament. You genuinely have no fucking clue what is coming for you.
This has a lot of good tips. Thanks for making content and being willing to teach.
Thank you for the kind words and being willing to learn!
Great video guys! I learn so much form your content :) As you know i did built a stax list for my first CEDH deck lol (Tymna & Tevesh) and played it with you. Even though i wasn't sure what a when to play in my first game i loved it so much and had super fun playing it. I have a Yuriko commander deck so i may well adjust that a bit to be cedh. Also Kinnan does interest me now too.
Thank you!
Yeah it can be a big tough navigating those first games with stax lists since a winning position is so much more complex than what that means for a deck like Kinnan and Yuriko that have such straight forward game plans.
Excellent video homies, love these sort of conversations
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Absolutely solid advice. You guys have earned a subscriber
I'm glad to hear it's helpful!
Excellent video. Never disappointed in the merch.
Thank ya!
Thanks Kai! Much appreciated 🙏
I would like to see some deck guides again
I am really starting to enjoy your content, keep it up.
Happy to hear it!
i literally said "theres over 20,000 cards but about 500 good ones" to someone earlier when they asked me how many magic cards there were and then i hear you guys say it lol
Cedh got more interaction. On casual tables everyone is out of control with huge boards because that prioritize their 23 piece combo or value machine. Cedh is way more streamlined and efficient.
CEDH is for nerds. 🤓
This is why I run combos in all my decks. My main group plays at a pretty optimized level minus a handful of reserved list cards. It’s not cedh but it’s close. A started in a new group as well and grabbed a deck I knew could be slower but my god a three and change hour game was a lot
I have not played CEDH for a long time and getting into it was very interesting and it satisfied a different style of playing the game for me. Funny enough my first deck is a stax deck w/ shalai and Hallar. Stax really takes a different thought process with playing the game, you need to know what’s good stax pieces are good for your deck and how/when to play those pieces over others. Since mine is a combo stax deck it also plays partially to protecting my combo while making people play at the pace I want them too. I agree that recommending stax to a new player is not one I would do either and it’s really required someone who is patient and understands that sometimes a stax piece is better left in your hand than playing it out in order to leave up instant speed interaction or to allow other players the ability to still be able to stop the player who is more than likely going to win on their next turn.
Just started playing and building a yarok deck. My play style in other games has always been to have multiple ways to win and have outs. So far, yarok seems like the best for that.
There is a 4th reason on why one would look into cEDH, and that is they love the puzzle aspect of it as no two games are ever the same and if ya really wanted build a deck to it with restrictions other than Stax. Sounds redundant i know but some people just love the challenging puzzle aspect of it, such as me i like trying to take bad or unusual commander's that usually can't go above a 8 on a casual scale and take them higher to competitive level without building them as a stax deck if i can, as any commander can be competitive if you put them into a stax deck
However i warn you taking a non competitive commander and using them as a stax commander is harder than regular competitive stax deck which everyone already knows stax and control are the hardest to do in cEDH
Though a funny thing to not mistake is if the Pilot is better than the deck making the deck look way better than it actually is, hard to distinguish honestly as a good player can make just about any deck look broken or good
I just got 22nd out of 64 in a cedh tournament with my casual deck tweaked… 1-2-2… but I over performed compared to that. I wasn’t there to win. I was there to learn. I’ve just tweaked 7 cards and going to the next one expecting top 16
That's awesome! Good luck in the next one!
@@LemorasCards I just learned that I had a win I scooped on. I had flash card that I could’ve forced him to draw with Kraum.
I'm new to Commander and have been creeping towards cEDH but not there yet. I don't have any of the speedy Mox cards or expensive dual lands. I'd love to see a video that defines the different kinds of decks. I don't even know the names but you mentioned a "storm deck". Stax deck. What are the others and what are they by definition? Or is there already a video that discusses that? Love the content by the way. My two favorite decks I have at the moment are my Heliod and The Locust God. Neither are at cEDH yet.
Glad to have you. And yes, we have it! If you go through the podcast episodes in order it explains the basics, the deck archetypes, all of that.
Check it out here: ruclips.net/p/PLn8g6u8n6fzoERA5LdM2_bdB9YdPyZXkk
Just love your content, Matthew! #bearlove
Thank you beary much!
think I might pick up nymris as my first cedh list just looking at the deck list makes all the happy brain chemicals fire off xD
Perfectly good reason to pick a deck!
*patiently waiting for k’rrik gear*
Jhoria, Weatherlight Captain for a first cEDH deck? Its my first (still missing LED and Mox Diamond unfortunately) but it plays nice and pretty fun.
I play dimir rogues for casual plays, and i love the tempo of swinging in with small creatures drawing alot of cards. would like to take that thought into cedh, i guess maybe yuriko is for me then? The problem for me with having blue in my first cedh deck is i dont know how to interact with the board, all these combo lines like breach,docksides loops etc. any thoughts?
I definitely think Yuriko is going to be a great place to start for you. All of that knowledge of when to interact is going to be something you pick up as you go. A lot of that at the beginning is just going to be asking the table how bad something is, where it's worth interacting with, etc. Blue interaction is so strong and flexible I think it makes it easier to get into cEDH, even though you may make a few mistakes with it along the way.
@@LemorasCards Cheers! I play alot of casual, and i do think its time for me to try something more explosive!
Hey I'm pretty sure I played in a tournament a while ago with you in nc for a mox diamond
Yes, you did! I was probably awkward and acted weird because I was experiencing the worst migraine of my life and only stayed because the hour ride home sounded worse than staying and playing through it, haha.
I mean you made top 4 with me so not to bad. I'm starting to stream more cedh. Would love if you wanted to play somtime
@bored and watching absolutely! You can hit me up on Twitter or Discord anytime.
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Just to come back on something. You said about people shuffling and things being a little more unique that way. I feel that on arena it may be a little nicer because there's less cheating and I don't play arena just saying though
That could definitely happen, I've been fortunate to have never felt like someone cheated me in a game of magic in 25 years.
And that's how it usually happens chit chat to make you comfortable that you don't pay attention and then they keep placing a card somewhere. not saying That it happens all the time but there are a certain few that do things like that just to Do better.
Play to win shoutout (: nice
My first "cedh" deck Lavinia, azorius renegade, and it was horrible.
But, just a low-key request, can we get a hot as fuck esper t-shirt? Maybe like a control graphic or something?
I'll look into it! I've got some ideas.
Do you think playing a deck that isn't getting good tournament results will result in less fun/lack of room to improve?
I think it depends on the player and the deck. I recommend relatively simple decks that are proven to new people because wondering if you're losing because the deck or your own inexperience isn't ideal. I think if you have a deck you know you want to play, and no amount of losing with it is going to discourage you, then a deck without great results is still a fine place and depending on the list should still have room to grow as a pilot.
@LemorasCards Thanks for the quick reply! I've been going through your Playlist for learning cEDH and I've been playing ishai/jeska. I personally enjoy the deck because it's my first, but it's currently not ranked very highly and I'm getting a little discouraged when playing against meta decks constantly.
@noahjacob424 it's in good colors, Jeska is strong right now, so I wouldn't get too hung up on it. Plus, it's an easy pivot into a lot of other decks like Blue Farm or even some Mardu lists if you do want to try something else.
love the info you all provide.
very informative and well spoken
unsolicited constructive criticism:
the mid-sentence edits are a bit too much. like too twitchy and unnecessary imo
Glad you found it helpful! Yeah that's something I do a lot less of now with the edits.
The only rule: Have lots of expendable money.
cEDH is overwhelmingly proxy friendly, very little money required.
Print some proxies or grab some nice ones online. Don’t spend a ton of money.
Don’t play cedh. Play edh or go do 60 card with the other try hards.
If everyone in the pod is a tryhard, then is anyone in the pod a tryhard?
@@LemorasCards no everyone in the pod is an asshole and they should all go touch grass.
Well, I certainly can't speak for all of us cEDH players, but I'm convinced by this argument