I Went Undefeated In A Major cEDH Tournament | cEDH Top 4 Breakdown | Tivit Undefeated Run
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- Hey RUclips!
This week I get to break down a fantastic tournament and one dear to me as it is my first major cEDH tournament 1st place finish.
Big thanks to Playing with Power for hosting this tournament and Eminence for running the show!
All the decks from today:
Rog/Silas:
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Armix/Kraum:
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Tymna/Halana:
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Tivit:
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Im really happy to see YOU pilot an esper deck and WIN ! Great job Ian !!!
I've been runnning tivit sieve since he dropped and I'm happy to see he performs even outside of my metas
Thank you for the shout out! Super hype to see you pwn the competition with this list
Awesome to see Tivit winning! Definitely my favorite commander of the year.
I knew Tivit was a legitimate Cedh commander! This is super exciting news since I’ve been working on it since he came out.
One of my best friends built it when it first came out. It’s absolutely a legit cedh build. Absolutely kept up with my cedh Elsha build even when he first built it. Great deck!
Would you be able to do a video on what “ mid -range” is specifically and give some examples in each color ( mono ) :) love the channel Ian! Congratulations on the growth AND the win. You walk the walk and talk the talk man! Thank YOU
This was a really great comment to read thank you for the genuine response. Ill see what I can do about that midrange video. Abstract concepts are tougher but worth the dive
I'd love to see a deck tech on the Little Red Ridin' Hood deck. Looks super fun!
Gratz on the Win. Love seeing these detailed techs. I've also been very impressed by Ward. Maybe people aren't used to it yet, but people are constantly punting spells and abilities into my ward creatures.
A few questions:
- What are you thinking of adding instead of Top? Linvala? or your own Dress Down?
- What about Meme Betrayal?
- Can't grinding station go nuts with 5 artifact ETBs?
- Why not Tezzeret the Seeker? Sometimes it just wins with sieve. Back-up plan: make 35 power of attackers.
I played tivit in kaos3 and always was presenting hard to beat wins turn 3. i lost in the top 16 but the deck is definitely very strong. same issues, docksides and null rods in my meta.
I’ve got a normal EDH Tivit deck and I can confirm having Urza and Tivit out at the same time rocks.
I have been waiting all week for this
You could cut the sensei top for that one Tezzeret that tutors artifacts to the battlefield maybe
Protean Hulk might be the saddest and most depressed creature in all MtG multiverse because nobody wants to see it live its dreams and enjoy its time.
Jokes aside, thank you, Ian.
Once again highly valueble content provided by one of the best cEDH channels out there.
Our favorite cedh boy is back with some tournament results! I'm still looking forward to seeing your part 2 to ranking two color commanders video. 💙
It is on the way :)
Yeah you crushed it with tivit Ian. I'll be with Jack at okotoberfest so I'll see you there still got to talk to you on what to play that day love to tournament reports and deck techs it's a great insight into the meta which is seemingly more and more midrange
Congrats on the dub! It was crazy to watch that last game live. Tivit puts in work
Look at his smile while talking to this experience. This is what this game could do. Make people happy ^^
i personally have enjoyed instead of running an ad naus build of tivit to run a all the same wincons you stated but also throw in a smothering tithe and a faire mastermind.. just gives you the infinite card draw . works really nice if you have the notion theif or bow master out to just end the game that way
I really love this video. Really helpfull for new tivitz player. I just came back here after doing well on my local tournament. (Went undefeated but need to leave early because my father got sick)
I laughed when I saw it only on brewer's corner on the database last week
Tivit has been my current fav commander so this is a sweet win! Such a fun deck other than when it’s Tivitime, it’s also Dockside time lol.
You rock! I’ve been advocating Tivit as a cEDH commander and have been perplexed by his lack of play. My list is similar to yours and man do I feel validated. I’m running all the 1 mana blink spells because they are kinda mini rituals+help protect Tivit and it works for me. Excited to watch this.
Why not academy Manufactor? I swear this card is winning me games. The value you get with Displacer Kitten and Manufactor is game ending, I will literally just storm through my entire deck generating treasures and clues. I’d be hard pressed to consider taking it out at this point, try it if you haven’t.
Your videos are awesome! I just got back into magic after not playing for a couple years. Recently made your winota snowballs stax deck and love it! This deck also looks so fun too! Keep up the good work comedian!
Thank you so much for the kind words
Congratulations for the Tournament win. I'm happy to see Esper succeed.
Man, when Tivit was spoiled I was so ready to build a casual voting tribal deck but he is just so efficient that I knew there'd be a cEDH build with him. I wanted to play him at high power but not cEDH tables, and didn't want to go fininite with him so kept Time Sieve out of there but been winning a lot by tutoring game enders like Cyberdrive Awakener/Tezerret Master of Bridge with Tamiyo's Journal, which gets flickered thanks to the kitten. It is a high power deck and I really enjoy playing so I hope your tournament win doesn't bring a lot of notoriety on the SphinxCat. Regardless, massive congratulations!
Would you consider either Ephemerate or Essence Flux for replacement options for the cards you were talking about cutting. 1 mana, blink tivit, net more artifacts. Kitten also blinks something on cast. Or Blind Obedience?
So hyped on this decklist! Gonna have to try a version of it 🙌
Great video. Really helped provide direction for my Marneus deck.
Rograhk and thrasios still being slept on. A majority of rograhk and thrasios decks are improperly built. Rograhk and thrasios is suppose to be a mid range control stax deck that takes advantage of rograhk primarily by turning it into a mana source. I’d say the key rograhk thrasios combos are Twinflame + dualcaster, defiler of dreams + shrieking drake (this is like a mono blue ad Naus) and fury storm + gale’s redirection. The best synergies for rograhk and thrasios is to turbo out winter or static orb, rograhk thrasios has the most ways to abuse the orbs. Galazeth prismari, urza, meria, goblin welder, goblin engineer, grinding station, hullbreaker horror. I think that’s the full list of things I have the react with my orbs at instant speed. Meria, hullbreaker, and galazeth are all very powerful for being able to make the winter and static orbs into god cards. Also getting out from under orbs is easiest when you are built to turn rograhk into a mana source. Rograhk becoming a mana rock each turn is very very under rated utilization.
The beginning of a Saga
I went two round two win during magic 30 con in Vegas. I was playing blue farm.
when tivvit came out, i fell in love with him immediately, and also noticed his incredible synergy with urza, another favorite of mine. what strategies would you recommend for maybe a lower power level table? artifacts matters stuff is fun and probably easy with tivvit.
Yeah artifact and clue synergy is fun at lower power levels. Also playing around with voting is fun too!
Really wanted to see your mimeoplasm cedh list that you talk so much about
You could play Lurrus in the 99…with displaced kitten out and a lotus petal, if I’m not mistaken, that’s infinite mana right? But Lurrus also gets a lot of your value pieces back…I could be wrong but if you’re making some cuts, have you considered Lurrus?
Also, with Tivit, Displacer Kitten, and any non creature, doesn’t that make enough artifacts for timesieve regardless of number of opponents, ex would be that Sensei’s top?
Attack with Tivit, get the value, cast Top, blink Tivit, get the value, activate time sieve, tap top to draw and even with 1 opponent, you will always end up with 5 artifacts to sac with this loop
It has been considered 100% especially because it also allows you to recast sieve. Right now it isn't in but I could see testing it. A bit awkward with grafdiggers cage though
@@ComedIanMTG True…however, it gets back Grafdiggers Cage, and you can sac the cage and time sieve to time sieve and then recast time sieve 🤷🏻♂️
Watched the replay video. Very cool. Grats!
I saw you were in the final table yesterday man congratulations on the win
40:00 I've noticed that my ad nauseam would be more reactive than proactive when playing tivit as in digging for counters to stop by opponents and setting up for a win once it gets back to my turn, but would you consider it crazy with the amount of mana your generating to play expropriate instead; considering you can vote for time twice with tivit? I know nine mana is a lot, but when you're in some of these late game scenarios unable to break parity, I think that it is as game ending in casual as it would be in competitive at least for Tivit. I just feel like two turns in addition to stealing hay pieces, especially asymmetrical ones is like a sure victory.
Oo this Tivit deck looks sweet!!! I've been looking at getting into cEDH for a while now and this might be the push...?
what're your thoughts on running Academy Manufactor in Tivit? :0
Probably win more, worth testing
One of the best artifacts not seeing cedh play rn that should is Transmogrifying wand. At worst 3 removal spells on 1 card. All colorless mana. Gets around color protection. Low investment cost for overall utility. First turn you use it is large investment. second and third time are very little investment. It’s a good card to use with goblin welder and engineer. Put counters on it after it’s down, get around removal spells targeted at it. In rograhk thrasios I’ve had games where I could have tutored for dockside but tutored for goblin engineer and won because engineer is somewhat just as filthy as dockside.
Secret tech so you always have enough artifacts to sacrifice, use academy manufactor
congrats! super sweet list
@ComedIan, I'm relatively new to CEDH but in the vid you bring up how often not having a full pod actually mattered for tivit triggers, is there a reason you don't run brago's representative or ballot broker? they act as s psuedo player in that instance. Is it just that the deck is already competing for space?
Could there also be a win con through displacer kitten and and self-paying artifact with urza to blink urza and make infinite karnstructs? Honestly super cool deck overall just love the innovative ideas with new commanders that come out hopefully I may actually build up enough cEDH to try out more locals in the N.England area
Well I'm in Ma so if you ever get there feel free to let me know and I can suggest some cool local events :)
Go go team Tivit
Good vid as always Ian keep it up 😃
Hey Ian. Big fan my dude! I’ve been running a similar Tivit list and it’s doing very well in my shops cEDH meta. A spicy card that I have included in my list is Academy Manufactor. Making 15 artifacts on each Tivit trigger feels real good. Any thoughts?
Agreed. Even when there is less than 3 other players, you can still go off
Congrats Ian. I'm curious on Ranger Captain of Eos not in the decklist. Always thought it was a staple for any list with white.
I'm only on a single 1 drop for it to tutor and I play cursed totem so I has many points of being sub par
16:58 Tivit starts
pov: you watch ians video and around 31 minute mark he keeps praising esper sentinel aka rhystic buddy and the deck you are currently playing is raffine and you are used to the most yoked buddys making everybodys game a nightmare
is there a video of the top 4 match?
Ah yes, remembering the mistakes I made at 6 am in the morning lol #justswingoutnexttime #playskyclave Congrats Daddy you deserve a win!
You were literally taken advantage of lmao I'm sorry that happened to you my man. No amount of copium will change that.
Tivit looks sick
I think I'd rather stick with Old Zur atm, he can get bigger than 6/6 very easily, he can remove anything that's walling him, he can find combo pieces for you and he can generate way more cards via Necropotence or Black Market Connections, Connections can also generate bodies and also works well with Stasis (better since Zur can just find Brave the Sands or Reconnaissance or whatever). I think if you're interested in mid-range/stax, Zur is more what you're looking for, but if you're happy with Tivit and a bunch of hatebears, that'll probably win games very consistently, and can be designed to be less sucky-without-the-Commander, in contrast with Toolbox Zur, that is always a struggle . I will say, hearing about how you more serious players deal with issues with your own decks gives me ideas for mine, I think it helps that Zur can kinda do whatever you build him to, but it feels like Zur is a lot harder than I thought (as far as not punting every other game you could have won), so maybe I should have started with something less skill-intensive, the cost of a Commander that can do almost anything in the right deck is that you have to choose well enough or you just lose, it's super-easy to fetch out the wrong card, it took me awhile to realize you can just get Rule first and you will rarely be frustrated if it resolves, it's almost nightmarish to resolve a most combos with that out (and Zur able to snipe anything).
Any reason you don't bother with Wandering Archaic? it seems like a huge amount of value if you ever resolve it, and your Commander is a 6 mana chonk, surely you can swing 5 mana to double up all the counters that opponent's play? Obviously anyone trying to stop an opponent from doing stuff won't pay extra because you'll just double up the counter, if the opponent tries to protect his combo, he's taxed 2 mana or his counter will be countered as well. It just seems nasty is all, and I feel like most opponent's you'd play vs would have that all figured out already? I guess not everyone runs spells, but most cEDH decks run more spells than creatures in my experience (there is Winota and the like), even if your opponents aren't in Blue there are usually some juicy spells to tax or copy, both effects are very significant (if Trinisphere gets you going, how about a 5 mana Anguished Unmaking for your opponent? or 7 mana Ad Naus, because they probably don't want to give you an Ad Naus to dig for a free counter! Just looked it up on Gatherer, apparently the copy will resolve before the actual spell, very cool, but less cool apparently people have actually played Explore the Vastlands? Yikes.
3 9/9 constructs, a 6/6 flying, and my pet card, void winower 😂
I could win immediately, but sometimes i want to give fake hope and see people suffer. Lol
Congratulations you make great videos
Is there a link to watch the tournament? I cant find a video of it on youtube.
Hats off to Gustov for going through with the deal, but ultimately keeping your word even in the finals is extremely important. Especially if you’re a prominent player. As soon as you start breaking deals, they’ll stop being offered to you, and politics is a huge part of any commander game, especially Cedh. He breaks that deal and it would really come back to hurt his reputation.
IMO politics in cEDH is collusion...win or don't. Making deals to not let another player win is dirty. It's infinitely more difficult to win cEDH when two people are friends and just agree on who wins and who doesn't.
@@nealtyson6377 That’s not dirty play…that’s playing to win. When someone is trying to present a win it’s in the best interest of the other 3 players to discuss the best way to deal with it, and how much info they’re willing to give up, ergo politics. If you’re not willing to do that, you better be willing to lose more games than you would have.
Talking with the other players is important, and it brings a uniqueness to commander in general that doesn’t exist in 1V1 formats.
@OopsYourself you can explain it any way you'd like but more than one player actively working together to stop another player from winning while agreeing to not win themselves is collusion. Playing EDH? Who cares...politics is the name of the game. I feel like cEDH should not be so lax toward this behavior. I know if EDH those "Oops I forgot that was on the battlefield, can I take that back?" Happens and is fine but once you are in a competitive format...NOPE! Should have payed attention to the board state.
i highly recommend you to test Braids Arisen Nightmare in Tivit
Congrats!!!
Dang, this deck looks sweet! And I own all the cards aside from Time Twister, so I might sleeve it up to try out. What is a good replacement for Time Twister, if I'm in a non-proxy-friendly place, in your opinion?
When I go proxy free I play whispering madness
@@ComedIanMTG Got it, thanks!
Gratz Ian
Great job buddy!
You won TWO this week? I thought this was going to be about lotuscon haha
What ever happened to that Rocco list you mentioned on the Into the North Podcast? Very curious. Gratz btw haha
? I've never been on Into the North
@@ComedIanMTG lol must have listeded to two cedh podcasts back to back. you know the one im talkin about lol
@@ComedIanMTG it was PWP mb
Is there a deck list somewhere for Zrob’s version 😮
Winota: Challenge accepted.
I included Trickbind in my version because it can counter Dockside, thassa, and most importantly your Final Fortune loss trigger. ha
Something big about tivit and time sieve is that you can cast tivit, get 2 treasures and 3 clues, use the treasures to cast time sieve, feed the 3 clues and other 2 artifacts to time sieve and bang you get the win (if there is 3 opponents alive lol)
Did you ever find yourself protecting someone from dying while holding the time sieve combo?
Not particularly, moreso found myself not attacking certain players
This deck looks like a blast! I've been playing MTG for a little while and have begun building what I want to be my first cEDH deck so that I can try to compete for fun, but as an example of what looks spooky, the sorceries in your deck alone (8 cards) it said were over $6,000; is that legit the kind of price it takes to play competitively? I'm assuming cards cannot be proxied for tournament level stuff lol
Depending on the tournament (I don't own a twister for clarities sake). But Eminence gaming's events are usually proxy friendly and they're quite a large cEDH group
@@ComedIanMTG thanks for letting me know! I suppose if I find any tournaments or can look into any near me, I’ll see if any of them ARE proxy friendly. For the time being, I don’t have any proxies, but my most expensive card is also a Force of Will lol
Armix / Kraum list isnt working for me
So where can I watch these matches.....
Where can I watch the replays?
Thoughts on Oswald Fiddlebender on this deck?
It could be cute, probably worth a try but I think I want artifact density
A deal is a deal 👌
Why no ranger captain?
Blind thought not tested could br 5 head could be smooth brain. Academy manufactor
It has been suggested. I think it's a little win more but it could be worth testinf
may I ask why you don't play a gilded drake?
It's very good, just one if many flex spots at the moment
Old news are new: Grixis is busted.
How does Tivit work with Marneus Calgar? Do you draw 5 cards or do you only draw 1?
I believe you only draw 1
should be 1, the tokens all enter at once when the voting finishes and the ability resolves
So why did you not run Grim hireling? It ramps, is removal, and makes Tivit/Time Sieve truly infinite
Too clunky and not a ton of other creatures to proc it
@@ComedIanMTG that is fair. I have had very good success with it. Thank you for your response.
Any tips on what to look for in commanders to find one that is cedh eligible??
I really want a cedh deck that wasn’t created yet
Tbh it's quite difficult to find commanders no one has explored. That being said just scrolling through all the legendary creature that have been printed and seeing what isn't currently on the decklist database is a good place to start
@@ComedIanMTG good tip. Is there a certain program that’ll be easier to filter what I’m looking for to cut down the time it’ll take to find all the options?
@@BorniRich I use scryfall or edhrec
@@ComedIanMTG thank you very much
By the way I love your Jetmir deck 👍👍
will there be an update with your winota deck?
I'm constantly updating it. Currently not anything I would feel confident swapping. Clown car needs more testing but apart from that nothing else is that appealing
Where would i be able to re wacth this turnament? :)
The semi finals and finals were streamed on Playing With Powers twitch channel
@@ComedIanMTG Amazing thanks alot realy love to learn and from you :)
I think the secret to your deck building and much of your success because you’re partially only as successful as your deck lets you be, is 30 lands. You do it in Winota, Jetmir and Tivit as well as others. And land drops are CRUCIAL. This is a all of cedh deck brewing subtweet 😂
your twitter link on your youtube channel links to a dead account.
honk
I have been telling you to put sev rec in dawnwaker for how long?!?! 😡
Shhhhhhhhh
@@ComedIanMTG 😒😒😒
Why’d you abandon jetmir?
Idk what about this video implied I abandoned any list.
I have played a diverse array of decks over many tournaments
@@ComedIanMTG ah my bad, I’m on a jetmir list after being inspired by you so I’m jonesing for jetmir content from you haha congratulations on the tournament win!
Pin a rose on your nose bruh
Wouldn't a narset, be better then notion thief?
Notion thief has a number of upsides over narset including the fact that you acquire the cards your opponents don't draw. Instead of just stopping them you are putting yourself ahead. It also can't be attacked in combat
@@ComedIanMTG yea, but narset draws you cards so you don't have to keep mana up to catch someone to draw cards.
Also academy manufacture could solve they 3 players problem.
Been thinking about this commander also. But unfortunately I play 1v1 commander tournaments so he's not an option.
@@arturstasienko2234 notion thief works better in this deck since you want to keep mana up for interaction anyway and wheel + notion thief is basically a win condition in and of itself. Narset will maybe stick around for 1-2 turns before it’s hated off the board.
@@bend5963 I understand, narset + wheel same deal. And she is a mana less.
Letting you play her sooner. I've been always impressed with narset even in the times of hullbreacher.
@@arturstasienko2234 its not really the same deal since, like Ian said, you’re only putting your opponents behind instead of furthering your own game plan. Narset is a good card for sure. We just don’t have enough creatures to protect her for long enough to get the maximum value out of her. Since we’re in black and looking to make plays at instant speed, Notion thief is the superior option.
BOO
Uhm commander is not sanctioned or tournament playabel format
Uhm This is the most complex unsanctioned deck in the format and very few players can properly make it tournament playabel
Really disappointed about how you won the tournament. You actually suckered this guy into king making you lmao
That's an extremely negative perception of the events and not one that the player in question shares.
🤡
@@ComedIanMTG negative? Or honest?
Just because the guy is a good sport doesn't mean he wasn't intentionally bamboozled out of a win
@@superskaldy I bamboozled myself out of the win by losing sight of other lines. I needed the Drannith gone bad, and instead of just swinging all out (I had lethal, but failed to process why this might be relevant) I made a deal. The only thing I had to remember was that I had a Survival out and if I just fetch Ranger-Captain I can stop Ian from winning. It was however very late (6 am) and I my brain failed to come up with these alternate lines before I had a nap.
In the end I ended up in a situation where I could either break my word and win, or keep my word and probably lose. I chose my honor.
@@superskaldy my man the entire point of the game is to leverage cards and words to win. So yeah your take is intensely negative.