I had a great conversation with John Holmes at Pro-Line By The Fire a couple of weeks ago. The motor on 3s makes roughly 2hp. And over 2.5 on 4s. I read a few years ago it made over 3hp on 6s and finally confirmed that with John. So apparently we'll over 3hp on 6s...which it'll never see that voltage. It's already a rocket on 3s with crazy torque and still super smooth down low. It's well worth the $159(I think that's what it was). I have the same more in Killer Wasp TRX4... been in there about 4 years and has been awesome. Such a big twerking motor I was more surprised at it got awesome run time.
Oh yeah...."Thee Anvil" TRX4. It's inspired by Four Wheeler Magazine Top Truck Challenge rig called "Quagmire". Quagmire has huge Tractor Tires out back and 40 inch Boggers in the front....well...he's has three different tires in the front over the years. He's had Boggers, Ground Howgs and TSL's. Can't remember what he's running now. I follow the new owner on Instagram. And thank you. Those tires(both front and rear)are made in thier perspective companies stickies compound...Alien compound in the rear Predator rubber in the front. So it does really good in the rocks. Underdrive ring and pinion in the rear and overdrive ring and pinion in the front so it steers really nice and tight and there's enough there it really helps out on climbing even with the huge difference in tires size. Showdowns?
@@tomlucasrccrawlers9108 looking like horizon Hobby has discontinued the 2.2" Showdowns! I just looked them up and am a little bummed out about it! I still have a brand new set though and I see AMain Hobbies still has them in stock for now.
Agreed. When manufacturers post "amps" as power , I have no clue how to convert that to torque or power. Hobbywing has come a long ways in hardware tuning , it definitely shows in the old and new Fusion. Even as short as the Fusions rotor is....well, shorter than the 540 AXE and much shorter than the 1st-gen 550 AXE...I think it's more powerful than both AXE systems. I remember good sources saying HW quickly came out with the 550 because of the complaints about the lack of power from the 540. As I remember John Holmes saying "staggering the rotor destroys the magnetics and isn't a good fix for bad tuning". But back to hp and torque....yes....I'd love for manufacturers to(standardize)label hp and torque specs of their motors along with "smooth" or "punchy" so we can more-so compare everyone before we buy. I think it would definitely make for better and better practices across the board. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@tomlucasrccrawlers9108 no problem I do remember there being a guy who tested motors at the shaft with a lbs meter. Here on youtube I'll find a link. I do love the staggered pole motors mainly because of the ease of the trigger woth foc. I have drooled once over the puller. What's the fast that trx4 has gone? I have it geared 11/45 with that 550axe and it shits and gets in 2nd. I have 21/39 gearing in the toolbox I wonder....
I have it geared with a 12-tooth pinion and 3s. All my 4s have either puffed over the years or lost a cell and I never replace them. I wouldn't say top-end is super fast...probably 20mph. But it get there instantly. Crazy torque-density with that motor. Without doubt I could gear it to do 35-40 no problem especially if I started bumping up the voltage.
I just pass along what Holmes tells me. It's a rocket on 3s. I'm sure I'd start breaking parts on 4s....so 6s is out of this equation. There Alots of factors that your equation doesn't answer, and mostly, that's how the motor is built and it comes down to efficiency. This Bigblock gets better battery mileage than my much smaller Revolvers and Puller Pro's and Hobbywing Fusion while crawling. And makes a lot more power. How do you explained that? Where is the equation? As technology/efficiency goes up you're going to make more power with less amps and voltage, so basic equations can't account for that.
WOW, I can only imagine how insane the torque is with this monster motor!!! 😈
I had a great conversation with John Holmes at Pro-Line By The Fire a couple of weeks ago. The motor on 3s makes roughly 2hp. And over 2.5 on 4s.
I read a few years ago it made over 3hp on 6s and finally confirmed that with John. So apparently we'll over 3hp on 6s...which it'll never see that voltage. It's already a rocket on 3s with crazy torque and still super smooth down low.
It's well worth the $159(I think that's what it was).
I have the same more in Killer Wasp TRX4... been in there about 4 years and has been awesome. Such a big twerking motor I was more surprised at it got awesome run time.
Love your tire setup!! I am seriously thinking about Showdowns on the front, and Renegades out back 🤔
Oh yeah...."Thee Anvil" TRX4. It's inspired by Four Wheeler Magazine Top Truck Challenge rig called "Quagmire". Quagmire has huge Tractor Tires out back and 40 inch Boggers in the front....well...he's has three different tires in the front over the years. He's had Boggers, Ground Howgs and TSL's. Can't remember what he's running now. I follow the new owner on Instagram.
And thank you. Those tires(both front and rear)are made in thier perspective companies stickies compound...Alien compound in the rear Predator rubber in the front. So it does really good in the rocks.
Underdrive ring and pinion in the rear and overdrive ring and pinion in the front so it steers really nice and tight and there's enough there it really helps out on climbing even with the huge difference in tires size.
Showdowns?
@@tomlucasrccrawlers9108 looking like horizon Hobby has discontinued the 2.2" Showdowns! I just looked them up and am a little bummed out about it! I still have a brand new set though and I see AMain Hobbies still has them in stock for now.
Grab them while they have them.
I'd like to know that horsepower conversion for motors lol I have a 550 axe and I'd like to know that's hp. Weather it be a fraction or not.
Agreed. When manufacturers post "amps" as power , I have no clue how to convert that to torque or power.
Hobbywing has come a long ways in hardware tuning , it definitely shows in the old and new Fusion. Even as short as the Fusions rotor is....well, shorter than the 540 AXE and much shorter than the 1st-gen 550 AXE...I think it's more powerful than both AXE systems.
I remember good sources saying HW quickly came out with the 550 because of the complaints about the lack of power from the 540. As I remember John Holmes saying "staggering the rotor destroys the magnetics and isn't a good fix for bad tuning".
But back to hp and torque....yes....I'd love for manufacturers to(standardize)label hp and torque specs of their motors along with "smooth" or "punchy" so we can more-so compare everyone before we buy. I think it would definitely make for better and better practices across the board.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@tomlucasrccrawlers9108 no problem I do remember there being a guy who tested motors at the shaft with a lbs meter. Here on youtube I'll find a link. I do love the staggered pole motors mainly because of the ease of the trigger woth foc. I have drooled once over the puller. What's the fast that trx4 has gone? I have it geared 11/45 with that 550axe and it shits and gets in 2nd. I have 21/39 gearing in the toolbox I wonder....
@@tomlucasrccrawlers9108 holmes is the master!
I have it geared with a 12-tooth pinion and 3s. All my 4s have either puffed over the years or lost a cell and I never replace them.
I wouldn't say top-end is super fast...probably 20mph. But it get there instantly. Crazy torque-density with that motor. Without doubt I could gear it to do 35-40 no problem especially if I started bumping up the voltage.
Volts x amps = watts. 746 watts = 1hp
I just pass along what Holmes tells me. It's a rocket on 3s. I'm sure I'd start breaking parts on 4s....so 6s is out of this equation.
There Alots of factors that your equation doesn't answer, and mostly, that's how the motor is built and it comes down to efficiency.
This Bigblock gets better battery mileage than my much smaller Revolvers and Puller Pro's and Hobbywing Fusion while crawling. And makes a lot more power. How do you explained that? Where is the equation?
As technology/efficiency goes up you're going to make more power with less amps and voltage, so basic equations can't account for that.