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- The pioneer and the conquerer. The creator and the uniter. Who wins?
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6:20 - Bending Abilities
12:52 - Tactical Abilities
15:53 - The Final Verdict
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at age of 12 Toph is a Master of Earth Bending, sooner created Metal Bending.
at 12
(edited Learned-> Created)
*invented metal bending
And bcome the first metal bender
Plus being blind!!!!!
yhea right
@@amihiroshi576 but her seismic sense replaced her sense of sight, for the most part
Who would love a show about Toph at her prime?
Edit: Wow 5 years later and I'm just now seeing all the likes!!
Me omfg
do it
When was Toph's prime?
+Keddie Vobaine It was offscreen, we didn't get to see it but it was when she was older and founded the metal bending police
Macho King Gotcha
Imagine Kuvira using her metal straps to cover Toph's eyes
Hahahahahahahahahah
Lmao
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂
hahahaha kuvira will win if she did that 😂
If Kuvira beats toph then she just beat up a disabled kid. If Toph beats Kuvira then Kuvira got beat by a disabled kid.
There's no way she could could beat me!
@@BigGorilla5998 lol, that's true but she does have a winning chances because of the movements she learnt.
@Kuvira I mean she discovered that so u could try and rule the world???and failed tho saddd
@Kuvira looool
@Kuvira i serve you great uniter im the former prince, prince wu of ba sing se and im now a citizen of yours i appreciate your works and effort to help the people in need and i believe you could beat toph since you have master the metal bending more than she does
Toph at 12:
Masters Earth bending
Invents metal bending
Helps the avatar end a war
Helps keep the world in balance
Becomes the relentless and overpowered Melon Lord
Me at 12:
*watching youtube and eating chips*
Me at 12: kicking my enemies buts, taught self how to fight, invented fighting style to work with sensitive skin, doesn't give a life to people who mess with me, and is is skilled in using a sword.
Me at 1 : biting everyone
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hi
Plus I'm also most 13
@@non-binarygremlin3793 you at 12: trying to show off to a bunch of strangers by listing a bunch of shit you didn't and don't do
you at 1: drinking chloroform
Dude, Kuvira is no where near Toph. That is why when Toph attacked her and her army, Kuvira simply watched them leave.
Or she respects her and doesn't want fight her
I think it was more, there's not just Toph, but several other extremely powerful benders there. Like, one on one Kuvira might have done something. But when it's 1v4 it doesn't matter how good you are, you will lose. That's just how that goes.
@@Vort23 did u ser kuvira's face
@@LR-ku8fn I think you missed the part where Korra, Toph, and both ker kids where there. All amazing benders in their own right. Yeah, I saw her face, but Toph wasn't the only threat there.
@@Vort23 The point is when Toph still in 13 or 14 can tie up with Kuvira in 20s xD, basically Toph ia greatest Eartbender in Avatar verse, well maybe slightly better than Bumi
Toph's sarcasm alone can shrink Kuvira into a pebble.
yep
*the pebble😂
@@natashawright6579 a pebble* :D
@Carlos Bmgo Gaming you don't think I know that? and I don't even know what ur on about.
@Paimon the emergency food but Toph can probably curse kuvira to submission
Toph held up a massive library building for like 10 minutes as it was fighting against her to sink, while she was standing on sand, as a small child...
@ron she has strength i think
And the library was connected to a lot of building under it so dang she strong
@ron it depends but alright
@Rj-Lamar uh no not necessarily. Speed does help. But just because ur faster doesn't gurantee victory. Plus toph is pretty fast herself. And her holding up that library just shows how strong her bending abilities are.
@Rj-Lamar I know you ain’t say that lmao
A grown and angry Toph wins. She developed the techniques Kuvira practiced her whole life. Toph would probably see her every move coming before she used her seismic sense. Old Lady Toph probably could have just restrained Kuvira in her own armor and threw her in the corner like a child. But like old lady Toph said its not her fight.
I've always wondered why no one thought of that. Like, I'd understand if the armor was platinum but she was using it for bending and those epaulette-like things her soldiers had were also made of a bendable metal, as proven hen she tried to drop Varrick on the train tracks. I guess it would've been too dark of an idea for a Nickelodeon show (though they did show a murder/suicide and bloodbending was also pretty dark)
Toph thinks outside the box. That‘s how she invented metal bending. She was like „Can I do this?“ and so she did it and is on a much higher level than Kuvira, who only follows the way she learned it and doesn‘t discover new things.
@@galinivanov1171 i think it would come down to actual time you need to get a grip on the armor. If you can't focus your abilities it doesn't really matter that it can work. That would be in Kuviras favor since she's light on her feet, making it really hard to get a grip on her armor. Toph might be fast with her reactions, but I doubt that she is able to instantly grab something that moves somewhat unpredictable. Yes, she can sense where anything is, if it is connected to earth, but her style of listening and reacting doesn't alllow her to actually predict something, therefore she can't just grab a metal armor after anyone takes a step.
Galin Ivanov I came here to say pretty much this
Against a non-bender, or against one who wasn't as proficient, I'd agree that was a very valid tactic. But against someone like Kuvira, I'd have to believe that distance would make a difference. With the armor being in contact with her, I'd think you'd have more leverage in keeping control, as opposed to someone at a distance. However, it could be a great distraction attack. Force the wearer to keep focusing on their own armor to keep it under their own control.
At no point in her life would Toph ever lose against Kuvira. Honestly even LoK Toph would probably beat Kuvira.
By far
LoK Toph would definitely bury Kuvira. By LoK Toph was so powerful she could see everything through the swamp that's unprecedented power
She actually DID beat Kuvira in LoK
@@schmingerfly6436 Wait... where?
@@Riemieka During the fight at the spirit cannon test where Kuvira almost blew up Zhu Li, though she didn't fight long she did win.
Toph to kuvira:
"Imagine me in my prime, I would have destroyed you."
if toph was a child kuvira would be dead
She said that to korra
@@tita9613 yep that’s why I commented it to mention it
@@nomore3876 true
No agreed to the other guy
"You give metalbenders a bad name!"
ay
That was a epic moment
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Yup
i see...bon jovi reference
Nobody can beat *_Melon Lord_*
Lol
Perfect profile picture
Lol
The ultimate lifeform
Cartman4wesome normie lord
Toph would win by a 'land slide'
I see what u did 😆😂
Lol
The Boulder would be very proud of you
I think one big fact is that toph from what I have watched didn't have nearly as much access to metal bending as kuvira did.
You cant be “light on your feet” if your feets touching the ground batteling toph
It comes down to Kuvira's reaction to Toph when she showed up in person. Toph singlehandedly took out Kuvira's groundforces and mech's. Kuvira didn't LET Toph leave, she intentionally didn't KEEP her there. Pressing an attack on Toph would have resulted in retaliation. That says it all. Kuvira feared Old Toph. In Toph's prime, Kuvira would have been a mild annoyance at best.
Old Toph can probably swear
If he tried to attack toph during operation beifong, the series will end fastly HAHAHAHA
You seem to forget that this video is based off child toph not old toph.
@@SheepofChrist818 I think the point he is making is that Kuvira didn't want the smoke with an old retired Toph, so she defintely would not want it against a young prime Toph.
@@ikeboykins121 Atla toph is not prime. Her prime is either in the books or the LOK flashbacks
Toph is not hyped up because of her sass.
She’s hyped up because SHE INVENTED A COMPLETELY NEW BENDING STYLE AT THE AGE OF 12; completely opening up a new sub-element to pass on.
She’s a legend.
I think hes talking about her being overhyped in straight up combat. And to be fair a couple dai li almost took her down. toph does get a bit overhyped. Still awesome fighter but i think his point was that toph does have prescedent for struggling with fighters like kuvira and is not invincible as some fans tend to claim. She made metal bending but when shes as old as she is in this vs fight she wasnt actually all that great at it yet it takes her a bit to use it she doesnt have the same precision with it yet etc.
Also opened her own metal bending academy! Lets not forget that! Unless u have not read the books than its understandable
She’s hyped up because she’s a strong character that people love including me
@@Akbar_and_Shaa Toph is at an extreme advantage in open space, Dali attacks didn’t phase Toph in the courtyard, but in close space their movements were more effective. Even then it took multiple to brea through. Simply put unless Kuveria could have looping attacks constantly coming from multiple angles Toph would win. Not to mention if she filled the battle field with dust she could regroup. I’d give Toph a 7/10 advantage
@@jamesh684 kuviras entire fighting style is attacking from multiple angles with numerous airborn metal projectiles. And since shes better at metal bending and carries numerous metal bands to throw off stance and separate people from the ground by your own statement she would win almost every time.
Is no one going to mention how old Toph casually mentions that she can "see" the ENTIRE WORLD??
"I'm more connected than you'll EVER be."
If that doesn't tell you what's probably not even half her power and ability then? Despite her bad back killing her, she'd straight crush Kuvira.
Get Shwifty just chilling she can see the whole world. She can lift mountains of metal. Literally just swallow that upstart with a mountain and shove her to the mantle
They aren’t using the old toph
@@jakeseligson7852
Which is why this analysis is disingenuous. Feats and abilities are discussed in canon in both literature and cartoon but they're all dismissed purely because this particular individual didn't personally witness them in action.
If there's dust in the air , I'm just saying ,
@@kennethlee8550 doesn't have to be dust if a bender can turn sand to rock then it stands to reason they can do the opposite... Toph busts out the dirt screen... And after that it's just an absolute one sided horror show with old or young Toph strutting out of the cloud having barely even broken a sweat... This isnt a fight it's a massacre and the only winner would be Toph...
let's not forget that Toph's Earth/Metal bending was so advanced that she could feel the bits of metal inside Korra's body. She also held up that giant library as a 12 year old. (Must have been several 1000 tons that damn building) I'd definitely say that prime Toph would have obliterated Kuvira. She would feel the metal coming her way. And Toph's seismic sense was lightning fast. The moment The Boulder put his heel on the ring, he was a goner. And toph also demonstrated some agility when she took down the OP fire benders on the airship. She can throw some decent kicks too.
What's "OP fire benders"?
@@atlast7035 over power fire bender. Everyone seems to forget that toph feels literaly the whole earth to the point that she know what is happening to her daughters and the world even if she's in the swamp all years alone. In that, u all know who's gonna win folks
KingMidaz Olam The Fire nation during Sozin’s Comet. Their fire bending is really powerful.
Not to mention, that Kuvira mostly used metal bending with the metal plates on her armor. I could see Toph using her own armor against her. Toph was very strong, I think she might have been able to overpower Kuvira's control of the metal, literally disrupting her ability to bend metal while fighting.
Not only was she holding a several thousand tone building she was holding it in the physical world as it was it was trying to escape into the spirit world she was physically holding something to barr it fom entering a diffrent realm.
I think if it was between toph and kuvira alone in a fight toph would literally fold kuvira in half
Same the whole time I was like “I would pay to see toph beat kuviras ass”
Hear me out... I agree that prime Toph would definitely win in a 1 on 1, but lets not sleep on Kuvira too much.
Personally, I think it would be quite a good match. We've seen Kuvira match up pretty well against a prime Korra so that in itself is pretty impressive.
Yes, I have no doubt that Toph would win, but the fight would be a good one for sure
@@pokimanefartcompilation idk if you could call korra then, prime korra, she was still recovering probably lost lots of martial arts knowledge
@@Forit26 all im saying is is that kuvira is none to sleep on
@@pokimanefartcompilation that's true, tho let's be real. Korra would have clapped her if she was still in like her prime of 3 years earlier
I just know Toph would scream "I CREATED THE ELEMENT YOU ARE USING" before one shotting her
“ You may have modified your style but it’s still the same element, and in my element no-one is overpowered me,” Toph starts choking Kuvira with her metal collar
@@hyperdreamer9483 frfr
If old lady Toph was enough to scare Kuvira, then Younger Toph would easily smoke Kuvira. Pay attention to some details why don't you
Kuvira's eyes and facial expression did not show fear. My best guess, she was slightly surprised to see Toph there (who had likely been out of the view of the public for years if not decades) and slightly irritated at the fact that she really is too far away and her army, comprised of those weaker then herself, is still too disoriented to actually attack Toph and her group of 7 skilled benders, one of which being a lava bender, one an Airbender, and the others being either her kids or grandkids, all good earth benders in their own rights.
🤔..Considering that toph's main primes was when she was older how would you base a 14 year old toph to decades of her quote on quote reaching her prime?
He's wrong but cut him some slack
I got pissed at his verdict. If we're gonna include the comics then there was a period where Toph and King Bumi fought, 2 greatest earthbenders. The fight became intense that the White Lotus and team avatar had to intervene, Sokka had to call it a draw. If 13yr old Toph tied against THE King Bumi, then she would easily mop the floor with Kuvira. This video is an insult to Toph.
@@madamebelle- 🤷♂️..I would kinda agree but the reason they stopped the fight was because they were in hiding and there fight was feared to give away their location also that was round 1 and never had a round 2, you could also argue that the new way of modern bending is in a different class as how Korra easily defeated her trainers who were traditionally trained and didnt really do to good with modern day bending even telling tenzien that she needs to learn to new style of bending rather than waisting her time with traditional foundational bending.
Dont wanna overreact or anything..but both young toph and old toph would beat her..
hands down.
Blindfolded
@@z_ed lol
z Ed bruh she already blind
@@user-iv1kv3tl7c That's the idea hahahah
@@user-iv1kv3tl7c that's the joke
Toph would win, I mean she literally can detect the smallest particle of metal within her reach. And bend it without making too much movement thus making it efficient and straightforward. Unlike kuvira would dance a lot of movements just to move the metal. I bet toph could even metal bend all metals in kuviras body.
and kuvira WEARS metal armor. toph would just smashed her in seconds
@@ketimamulashvili1012 seconds😂😂😂
@@ketimamulashvili1012 I think parts of Kuvita’s armor is made of platinum, only the small plates are metal. But yeah you’re right lol
Toph is a master not a god, she's didn't even beat bumi in the 1v1, I think a tie or spit decision is good. Kuviras unique style is def more that respectable for her to hand with the best.
I think a really important distinction is that Toph sees with her seismic sense, while Kuvira sees with her eyes. Toph can see the start of Kuvira's movement while her arms are still behind her back, while Kuvira can only see what is in here eyesight. Here, the metal armor of Kuvira gives her a severe disadvantage, because Toph can sense metal.
In the fight scene between the boulder toph was able to detect his movement in milliseconds and literally made him do the splits by attacking in the time it took for him to put his foot down. Ku iras speed means literally nothing if toph can counter her attacks in less than a second.
Toph would bury Kurvira in a rock-alanch.
Roto The Dragon Lord Kuvira wears metal armor. Toph can metal bend, and she could simply crush Kuvira with her own arnor
Jonathan Tairov Kuvira could simply take control of the metal back....I feel anything having to do with metal Kuvira would have a far better advantage.. sure Toph learned the art, but Kuvira seemed to have been raised into it so definitely she sees it more than earth.
MrAstrothousand98 I don’t get what you’re saying ?
cyrhas marshall I'm saying Kuvira has a higher proficiency to metal bending than Toph
I don't agree there MrAstro, sure Kuvira had more time to master it, but Toph's understanding of earth and metalbending were different then essentially every character in the series. If both Toph and Kuvira were bending the same metal, Toph's raw power would easily give her the edge, futher more Kuvira will have never seen anyone use a style like Toph's giving her a massive advantage there. People forget got innovative Toph really is, Kuvira can kind-of compared, but not really. All she did was make a unique style of metal bending that depended on precision as opposed to power, but Toph most definitely has that level of precision aswell can she actually uses it a considerable amount against foes she could easily overpower to win.
There shouldn’t be any debate. Toph in her prime would’ve been FAR stronger than kurvira and most likely strong than king bumi.
Toph as a 12 year old was probably stronger than King Bumi at that time tbh.
hsiF A they fought in the book it was a tie at age 12 or 14 but bumi was like 100+years old
@@wolth8584 a tie because if they kept on,there would have been severe damage
Wan is my name yea bumi would’ve more then likely won at tat age cuzz they did make toph lose to tat girl which was probably just plot buildup 🤷🏾♂️
@@ultimateo621 bumi is 1000+ years old
yea but u gotta remember this is a TEEN toph and she's holding up against Kuvira. Adult toph would mop the floor wit Kuvira
Even teen toph would. Teen toph was the champion of the arena. Teen toph invented metal bending. Kuvira is nothing against that. She is highly trained and motivated but Toph was and is on another level entirely.
@ron Teen Toph was pretty much a metal bending master at last season.
Yailing did not beat Toph, that was just a fanfin not written by original authors that has lost its validity because original authors decided to continue series themselves so all continuation comics are not canon.
@ron uhm you mean kid toph, teen toph probably mastered it
@ron toph was 14 in the comics, also what yall were referring was kid toph
@@Navhkrin yeah once I searched who was the strongest metal bender and 1st was her tooth beifong.
Toph can see smallest basic living unit of life with her blindness than any human being, remember when she said to Aang about the ants? And Aang didn’t find it?
The level of disrespect towards Toph is unforgivable. The thought of her being compared to someone is criminal
Period they said katara would win over toph because she can blood bend I was like lemme remind u that you can only do this on a full moon
@@nautopie She can freeze her feet though, then what? she can win without the full moon, and a full moon without bloodbending too, just depends on the environment.
Lt Soul and also toph wouldn’t hesitate to kill katara tbh and toph could easily use metal bending to break the ice
@@nautopie metal from where? And toph doesn't kill. We never saw her kill. So where do u get that idea?
@@ltsoul9751 okay i said that she wouldn't hesitate plus if the whole show wasn't for kids it would be a bit more brutal tbh plus she always has the metal bracelet she is always wearing it is fine that you can defend katara or whatever i am just stating my opinion so don't come for me.
Toph all the way. She has a true connection to the earth.
instead of just being angry like the rest of the comment section I will explain why toph is the best in my opinion.
it's the scale on which she bends , the rest of the earth benders throw small to moderate rocks and metals (kuvira included ) while toph levels entire battle fields . SHE BENDS BIG and she does it with the same accuracy and competence as the other earth benders do with their tiny rocks
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Yeah I don’t think Kuvira’s agility will be enough to dodge a rock size of a building.
Not to mention that Toph is a lot more agile than we got to see in the last airbender series. During Sozin’s comet when she surrounded herself in the metal armor, she threw some kicks and moved around faster than we ever seen before.
Toph at age twelve held up Wan Shi Tongs library long enough for everyone to escape, and as seen from the schematics: It was massive.
Edit: Spelling
this is exactly what I bring up whenever somebody says anyone would beat toph. nothing less then the avatar state or perhaps ozai could contend with her
While also fighting to save appa
@@Spiceodog Or, alternatively, anyone who can fly.
and on shifty sand she had trouble with (prior to later in the series when she mastered it.)
@@Spiceodog I honestly think without the comet, Ozai couldn't beat Toph. She would eventually land a kill shot on him and win the battle of attrition.
Toph is a hard counter to almost anyone in her lifetime.
Toph was able to sense even very small amount of metal poison in Korra's body and since Kuvira's strength is predominantly metal bending , Toph will be able to redirect any attack on her and hence win the fight.
Yeah, I think most people don’t realise how one sided this fight is. Toph’s sense of metal is so good that anything kuvira attempts would be thwarted. Like shooting metal strips to cuff her or a metal cable. Toph can easily bend that and redirect it away. This will come down to an earth bending brawl, and let’s face it, we all know who would win that. And also, I’ve seen many people bring up, but Kuvira is agile! “She is so much faster” Pls, she’s fast, but is she as fast as Aang? And airbender? Hell no. Only that level of speed could possibly catch Toph off guard. Toph was twinkle toes’ teacher, she has definitely sparred with him many times. If Toph can react to an air bending master, she can react to Kuvira’s strikes just fine.
@@dominiosss1474 Toph has fought Aang, and every time shown has continued to struggle with keeping up with his speed and agility. And just like metal, Toph has been shown with the capability to sense earth. However, even with this ability to sense earth and metal, she has none the less been hit and caught off guard by earth based attacks.
Being able to sense an attack does not mean Toph can always defend or avoid it. Toph can sense earth as well but has been caught off guard and taken attacks from the likes of the Dai Li and even then, she relied more on her seismic sense. Toph has trouble sense earth and metal that isn't on the ground and would most definitely have trouble sense and then evade/defending metal attacks from Kuvira
@@pierrelabroche9518 Toph in the comics and her later life was shown to be able to sense vibrations in the air. In Korra she even was able to see an air blast from Korra in the air.
It's just Toph fans. Why do ppl make up feats and act like it's so impressive without actually using facts lmao Toph has basically no metal bending feats so stop using that to ur advantage
Toph at her prime could have defeated many strong benders she slapped 2 avatars in her life time lmao
Toph literally held her own against a small army of earth benders, invented metal bending, and even when exhausted held her own against Mai, Ty Lee, and Azula. Toph literally held her own against 2 Avatars without even trying the only reason she lost to Aang the first time was she didn't know she fighting an Airbender. Toph also held her own against a blood bender and when Kuvira and Toph met on the battlefield you could see it in Kuvira's eyes that she KNEW she was outmatched. When your opponent doesn't even try and just looks completely defeated you know you've won and that's what happened when Toph and Kuvira met. Kuvira gave up when she saw Toph (not even in her PRIME) because Kuvira knew she was no match for Toph whose senses heightened her tactical abilities. Toph would let Kuvira exhaust herself because Kuvira is so proactive while Toph saved her energy for the right moment LIKE SHE TAUGHT AANG TO DO! Aang said it himself that Toph had been teaching him to not focus all his energy into any one move while trying to take out the metal monster Azula created to take down Ba Sing Se.
Toph is the greatest non avatar earth bender in history Kuvira stands no chance
toph would even beat avatars in a earthbending only fight. even earth starters like kyoshi
@@lotuscoma4127 no if they went to avatar mode then toph will lose
Nova Sama thats why i said earthbending only. no avatar mode
Nova._. U i think u mean avatar state??
@@fjddhhrfg6097 mode and state are synonyms that doesnt rly matter
"YOU GIVE METALBENDERS A BAD NAME!" -Toph Beifong, LoK, Book 4
Hotel:Trivago
My parents are literally playing the song "You give love a bad name"
Nanami_ Ko lol
Edit: tl;dr at the bottom, cuz, damn...
You mentioned them, but it seems like you didn't consider Toph's fight with the Dai Lee when judging her bending. They would more closely indicate how Toph would fair against a less grounded, more maneuverable earth bender.
Toph's mastery of neutral Jing compared to Kuvira's positive and negative is the key question here: can Kuvira's skill with the positive and negative overcome Toph's mastery of neutral Jing?
Kuvira HAS to to attempt to overwhelm Toph's defense, because she can't play the waiting game against someone with Toph's power and technique. And remember, Toph's no fool; she has plenty of experience with Ty Lee, Azula, Mai, and the Dai Lee in facing speedy, mobile, and precise enemies. That will inform her decisions going into this fight.
She might even neutralize Kuvira from the jump, like she did Ty Lee in the Earth King throne room.
So can Kuvira overcome Toph's defense while avoiding her raw power? I don't think she can.
We saw when she fought Korra, she clearly had the upper hand for a while with her speed and technique, up until Korra had her dead to rights when she hit the Avatar State. Kuvira doesn't appear to have the knock out power needed to seal a fight outright. When she fought a more healthy Korra, she held her own quite well, but still couldn't get the job done.
We saw in her fight with Su her adaptability and quick thinking, but no definitive show of force. She beat Su by outsmarting and out fighting her. No real display of power.
She would absolutely need that against Toph. Toph just has too many different ways she can neutralize Kuvira's technique, that Kuvira would need to rely on power more than speed or technique to counter Toph. Remember, Toph might not be able to see with her eyes, but in this fight she would have the advantage of full awareness at all times. Kuvira is quick on her feet, but she's still an earthbender, and Toph does have incredible reflexes to counter Kuvira's attacks. Remember Mai, and her dust ups with the Dai Lee. Anticipation isn't enough in a fight, you still need to have the ability to stick and move.
Also, Toph's experience in actual combat can not be overlooked or disregarded here. It has to be a factor, because it can map out how Toph would approach a fight with Kuvira. Toph is an exceedingly capable and experienced combatant by the time of The Rift; and not just against Earth Kingdom insurgents and bandits like Kuvira, but against other skilled fighters, secret police, Earth Kingdom palace guards, and hardened Fire Nation soldiers. She'd have a general idea of what to expect from someone like Kuvira due to her fights with Ty Lee and Mai.
By comparison, Kuvira's only experience fighting someone who could be mentioned in the same breath as a Toph is Korra, and her best outing was when Korra was far from 100%.
*TL;DR* , I'll be damned if I didn't write an actual whole essay on this:
Ultimately can Kuvira's skill, technique, precision, and speed, in conjunction with her mastery of positive and negative Jing, overcome Toph's experience, technique, and raw power in conjunction with Toph's mastery of positive and neutral Jing? I don't think she can. I think it will ultimately have to come down to raw power. Toph can just wait Kuvira out.
If Toph decided to shield herself in rock armor or bury herself in a berm of rock, what could Kuvira do? If she created a dust cloud like she did in the underground arena, how can Kuvira counter?
If Toph decided to pull a move like she did to Ty Lee, would Kuvira be able to react and adapt fast enough to avoid Toph's follow up?
*TL;DR* again...jeez:
I don't believe Kuvira can beat Toph because Toph can wait in a hole, and Kuvira isn't strong enough to dig her out.
This comment alone is better than the video itself. Thanks for your dedication and time.
oh god how satisfying this comment is. Thank you!!!
How long it take to write that?
@@jimbob815 about 15 minutes to refresh my knowledge. 5 to write it out. Another 30 for all the edits. 😜
Thank u
Imagine their fight:
Kuvira will attack first with metalbending or earthbending, whatever she attacks with toph will be able to feel or sense it and skip or redirect it. Then she will be able to sense her next move and hit right in the place where to take her down. If that not enough she will act quick and hit another time/ times in the right places again and eventually take her down. Also she will be able to feel the metal on kuvira's uniform and use it against her which gives her even bigger perk and chance of winning. In the whole process toph will be focused, calm and confident in herself, and kuvira will be competitive and maybe even nervous or scared knowing toph's abilities. This whole thing may take around a minute in my opinion.
To summarize, NOFU*KINGBODY CAN BEAT TOPH BEIFONG!😏
I think Toph would have crushed her using her own armor even before she attacked honestly. Her body has way too much metal 😆😂
Thats why she doesnt stand a chance. Her armor will betray her LOL 😆
@Tommy Natantiel Korra's avatar state was weak as sh*t, The people who are on par with her are probably Aang's avatar state and bumi (Her and Bumi actually fought and it ended on a draw).
I love how people think that bumi is better then toph.cracks me up. Toph would destroy him
@@tv_editzz Toph is only strong when she is in contact with the ground, she’s helpless when she’s in water
@@1mol831 Toph did learn how to earthbend even when not in contact with the earth.
Remember when toph shows up to save everyone and kuvira just watches , that's because she knows if she attacked her she would of been obliterated and probably crushed by her own armor , this is why metal benders should wear platinum armor
Imagine toph creates platinum bending
@@keijutsujimoto2861 platinum is metal... And she already invented that
@@lucienx2442 actually she can't metal bend platinum
@@emmanuelgregorio7943 we don't know that yet
@@lucienx2442 actually we(well but I and most people) do...
Don't even need to watch this video.
*Toph rocks*
@Taegen Doscher yeah it was
aah *puns*
Bars
The problem is that this is a bad matchup period in terms of fighting style toph while not outclassing kuvira, has an advantage. In combat (both fictional and historical) there is a bit of a warfare triangle per say.
Pure defense will counter agility and tactics because it doesn't matter how fast you move if you can't harm your opponent. A historical example of this would be a tank.
Pure defense is countered by lots of firepower. You need explosives to deal with tanks and similarly izai would be a huge problem for toph, being able to suppress her defense and give her no room to move around with large blasts.
Then firepower is countered by agility and tactics again. For example a sniper has extremely high firepower but can't do much if a troup of soldiers with rifles got close to him, but if that sniper was instead a tank it would be a very different story
Kuvira is the earth bending epitome of agility and tactics, whereas toph is much more of the tank variety with rock solid defense and counters. Toph was a would class Earth bender not just because she invented metal bending but because she was simply the best and defending and countering which was the only style of earth bending known at the time.
While kuvira could evade for a while, she has zero firepower, relying on small sheets of metal for her offense so if toph simply created a protective shell and used her sense to safely attack kuvira there isn't anything kuvira can do. She doesn't have the firepower to deal with tophs defense and if she dismantled it somehow, toph could simply build another bigger shell
Yes and also Toph completely outclasses Kuvira
@@testpermanent417I'm actually team Kuvira
For me toph is more of an assassin with high defense, she'll wait for the right moment and strike for the kill
@@craigpeoples9883 cool?
@@testpermanent417Because Kuvira is a way faster metal bender and Toph needs to touch the metal to bend it
Toph's seismic senses were everything. The fact that vibrations travel around 15 times faster through the ground is how she beats the most agile of fighters. On top of that no one has her power over earth/metal bending. I would guess she could do a metal version of the lighting return attack.
Kuvira, rules with an iron fist
Toph, is the iron fist
Prime vs prime, Toph would win
Give Kuvira another 40 years, maybe MAYBE she will adapt to a new style that Toph might not be able to handle, who knows.
Lmfao
She’ll be dead from old age by then, Kuvira would just be mutilating Toph’s dead body by then, im fine she could even find it.
@@allanliu9475 damn technicalities!
Thats like a 1 in 1 million. Lol
nah no chance, toph wins every time. In her prime and as she is in ATLA.
Toph literally invented a new bending stile
took down an entire fleet of airships full of firebenders during sosins comet and became the best earfhbender it the world all at the age of twelve
That argument is incredibly flawed though. She created it, that doesn't mean she mastered it. It would be better to say that she was so advanced with metal bending she suggested her daughters, the lead metal benders in the world at the time, "never got the hang of it." Suggesting she is well and above people who are considered masters at metal bending. Kovira certainly wasn't that high above Toph's daughters in metal bending skill, just combat ability. So it would be good to argue Toph would be well above Kovira's ability to bend metal.
To restate this point; the metal bending we saw from Toph in ATLA required her to touch the metal she was bending, Kovira was basically working with liquid-y metal that was floating next to her head. It was innovated after she invented it, it would be better to argue that she is still one of if not the best metal bender in the world.
And the airships don't have much to do with this. She used some metal as armour and pulled on some of the ships to redirect them. That has nothing to do with how well she would fight another earthbender. It would be much better to point out how The Dai Lee are some of the most skilled earthbenders of the time and Toph easily slaughtered them. How before she even reached her prime she could go toe-to-toe with Boomie one of if not the strongest earthbender at the time (who was past his physical prime but that doesn't make him weak by any means.)
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 in the comics, she taught children how to bend metal mid-air like how Kuvira does it. Toph IS can do everything Kuvira does and does it even better.
@@xycencabello2811 My point was that the OP was using really weird and terrible points to argue how strong Toph is.
Edit: And I didn't say anything that contradicts your point either. I actually agreed to an extent in that Toph has a good chance of being the best metalbender in the world (which would mean better than Kovira.)
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 but she did master it i mean is that even a question. SHE MADE THE ART why wouldn't master it?
@@lizardo8675 My argument is because she created something doesn't mean she mastered it. There is plenty of other evidence she gained mastery over the element.
Do you think the first people to ever draw became master artists? Do you think the first person to put some squirrel meat over a fire became a master chef? Was the guy who finally cracked the code on how to make a car that can propel itself a master driver capable of winning against anyone else in a street race? No, those are ridiculous assertions to make.
Kuvira practically surrendered when toph showed up cause she knew there was nothing she could do about her. Why is this even a debate ?
Says who?
she didnt surrender, they just escaped. Kuvira didnt fight them all because they left so quickly and Kuvira was still on the cannon.
Kuvira didn’t want no smoke
I think she stopped because of pure respect. She wouldn't dare fight against the Legendary Toph Beifong.
Besides... being called out by her must have really hurt.
Toph can feel earth even when it isn’t touching the ground and since earth is apart of metal she could still be able to read kuviras attacks
This is like putting my dog to fight an elephant. Toph being the elephant.
Just an elephant?
@@touchedme1637 oliphant from LotR movies?
It’s like putting a season one Sokka against a season three Zuko
No this is a small county vs a nuke
Elephant??? More like a dragon versing an ant
Basically the video was, " who would win? I don't know. Peace ."
👆🏾
And the fact it was almost 20 mins long too.
This comment is gold haha
too true!😂😂😂
BWAAHAHHAHAHAA litteraly true 😂😂😂😂😂😂
But can we talk about kuvira seemingly having an infinite supply of metal on her.
Same goes for your buddy and her throwing knives.
@@sandro5535 don't diss my bestie you greasy loser
To me, Toph vs Kuvira has the same ending as Tenzin vs Zaheer if the red lotus didn’t show up. It would start with the upstarts(Zaheer and Kuvira) doing decently well, maybe even scaring some people watching into thinking the others will lose, but Tenzin and Toph have something Kuvira and Zaheer never have: The training of the original benders. We know for a fact that Tenzin was taught by Avatar Aang, who was taught by the monks and by the flying bison. Toph was trained by the Badger Moles, and as far as I know no one else in the series has that level of connection to TRUE earth bending.
Let’s look back at Tenzin vs Zaheer, Z was pretty good, his martial skill combined with rudimentary air bending was actually impressive, but we all know he would have lost to Tenzin in a battle of Air vs Air. Same thing with Toph vs Kuvira, Kuvira will impress the hell out of Toph, but at the end of the day, no earth bender(other than the avatar) has the feats and training to match Toph. Kuvira is fast, sure, but so is Toph and Kuvira can’t hide from her, so eventually... she’s done
Remember: this is Toph while she isn’t in her prime. Think about what our girl can do while she is in her prime...
I just want to give my own opinion on this:
*Physical Abilities*
Kuvira surely is more athletic, but that does not mean that it gives her the edge. While Kuvria mainly uses her athletic body to evade and attack Toph's movement style can be described with "minimal movement with maximum efficiency". I also want to remind everybody that she doesn't only use barriers to block enemy attacks. Against korra she also demonstrated that she uses her environment like the earth beneath her feet to move up and down or left and right quickly to evade with barely moving her body much. Because of this i'd say that Toph has the edge in physical abilities. She can evade, block and attack with minimal body movement. Allowing her to barely have any openings, while kuvira will have tiny openings while moving around so fast and doing flashy moves.
*Bending Abilities*
Tophs seismic senses that she uses to scout her environment is on a god-tier level that no earthbender has ever managed to copy entirely. Using this ability (assuming she fights against an earthbender) she is able to grasp enemy movement patters terrifyingly fast and extrapolate future actions from them. Thats how her ability to defend and dodge reaches almost clairvoyant levels. It is absolutely impossible for any earthbender alive thus far to ever land even a single hit on Toph unless...
a) they have her completely outnumbered
b) they ambush her
c) they accidentally attack her with no intent of harming her (like how zuko self defended himself out of fear and accidentally burned her feet. Toph wasn't expecting a fight or any attack)
Other earthbenders so far have only shown to copy Tophs technique to the extent that they can only sense their environment and even then their seismic senses seem to have a much smaller radius. Tophs radius is big enough to sense entire underground buildings or caves, while other skilled earthbenders can barely sense humans very nearby to them (like how Lin Beifong was scouting the area in a camp to search for kidnapped ppl by Kuvira).
Her much superior metal bending also allows her to wrap her entire body in metal without having any gaps in her armor to move her joints, while other metal benders seem to be able to wrap only small parts of their body, which puts her earthbending on a far superior level than any other bender.
In LoK she also demonstrated an advanced bending technique, which allows her to bend without body movement, which she used against Korra mostly to dodge her attacks.
*Tactical Abilities*
Both relies on waiting for openings and striking at the perfect timing to have a maximum effect, but i give Toph the edge here as well, because she is blind. She has been trained to listen and wait since she was born and even her whole lifestyle depended on listening to surroundings. Kuvira learned that only for her fighting method and didn't rely on it in her everyday life.
*The Final Verdict*
Well...Toph has the edge in all 3 categories. Is there anything else to say?
As long as there is earth or metal around then Toph will win. Even in a small enclosure like the metalroom inside the robot Toph would have destroyed Kuvira. She can wrap her entire body in metal and have a fullbody armor. Her unrivaled metalbending allows her to do so. She doesn't need any gaps in her metalarmor to move her body and Kuvira wouldn't be able to bend her armor, because Toph is the superior bender. Its like a superior water benders body cannot be bloodbended by a weaker bender.
Thank you!!! Cause I'm not getting how this was inconclusive...
@@nenebrat2389 Ikr, toph would have destroyed her easily. Although it's obvious, i also gave my thoughts on bending abilities instead of writing "no discussion needed". Feel free to read them. I also corrected grammar mistakes in physical abilites. If you weren't able to understand them before, now it should be more clear.
I agree with this long comment. You OP have done your research.
Serafall I read it all and ur right but toph sees the hole world 🌍 since she was a kid she saw u poop 💩 yesterday lol 😂
But Toph isn’t an all powerful earth bender. She isn’t a master of all earth elements. Like she cannot bend crystals like Bumi could. And she cannot lava bend. Earth bending has lots of other categories similar to that of water bending like blood bending, energy bending, mercury poison bending and other liquid bending as long as it is fluid. Toph should’ve been able to bend all things earth related. But clearly she can’t. So she isn’t the greatest earth bender who masters everything.
Never forget guys, Toph can move freely underground while seeing what is happening on her battlefield using seismic awareness which kuvira doesn't have
The fact that 13 year old Toph versus Kuvira would be a close match says alot about Toph in her prime.
12*
You: im not sure who would win....
Everyone else: MELON LORD
ThatOnePotato 😂😂😂😂
Yes I would win
@@melonlord4889 Lol.
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"Stone wall it with her ability, not through an acrobatic flip" well as someone who does martial arts, and has seen how Kuvira moves, Kuvira wouldn't do an acrobatic flip either. Her defensive style is that of a boxer and movement comparable to Muhammad Ali and/or Bruce Lee. The way it was stated in the video made it sound as if Kuvira would move like Aang. She's nimble like Aang but no were near as diverse in movement.
I had a problem with that too. He compared Kuvira to an airbender who could literally reduce their own drag and almost float on the earth surface. This was the only reason Toph had trouble "seeing" Aang. His full weight wasnt pressing on the earth.
Plus like you said, Kuvira uses more of a boxer's fighting style. More ducking and weaving than flipping and twirling. She would be in almost constant contact with the ground, thusly she would be almost always "visible" to toph.
We have seen her do acrobatic flips when necessary tho - like in her fight at Zaofu with Korra.
(I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just saying we have seen Kuvira evade in that way when necessary)
I noticed that too. It's weird to assume she'd acrobat her way away from an incoming boulder when we already see her deal with a boulder flying towards her by splitting it in half with her metalbending.
@@Tsenovin Always! please say it again.
Toph had great precision too, like how she sand bended that whole tiny town up to the tiniest detail. She has great control
The level of disrespect shown to Toph is inexcusable!!! Even Kuvira showed more respect to Toph than you.
who spilled the salt?
I think for tactics Toph is actually pretty good. She also likes to change the terrain to her own terms; she produced cover many times by making ground avalanches, blinding her opponents. She was precise enough to stop Azula from stabbing Sokka. She could sense earth/metal in mid air too, so long distance attacks from Kuvira just wouldn't work as with other benders. I strongly think Toph would win.
“Imagine me in my prime, I would have *destroyed* you!” - Toph, 85-87
85
Can we all agree that Toph is one of the strongest benders period, and that in heaven, she’s destroying Korra for fun
That was against korra at her very weakest. The same korra that got destroyed by kuvira.
@@sauceyboi9831 at that time Korra had PTSD and mercury in ver body, but yes Toph is one of the strongest benders
@@CelVini toph kids were the best metal benders around and she said both of her daughters didn't pick up metal bending "that well" ...
imagine being the best and still got looked down on by the creator.
11:04 Its also significant because an airbender launching and landind using airbending would be much more difficult for Toph to see. Kuviera moving on ground or using earth pillars to launch herself on the other hand...
There is no comparison for Toph, she learned from the original earth-benders and became a master as a young girl. Her ties to the earth are unprecedented and without equal. No matter what stage of life she only learned more as she aged. Prime for the physical ability has nothing on a lifetime of experience, master’s have learned to not waste a single moment or movement. Toph is the definition of legendary.
Round One! Fight!
Kuvira, decked out in her metal armor gets into battle stance and prepares to unleash a barrage of attacks. Meanwhile, Toph just smirks and brings her hands together. A sickening crunch is heard throughout the valley. Unfortunately for Kuvira, Toph used her metal armor as a metal death trap, crushing her in one blow.
This is why wearing metal armor doesn't make sense when battling other metal benders, kids.
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It honestly baffles me how the writers thought that it was a good idea to make metal bending commonplace, and then have the world's armed forces decked out in something that can be commonly used against them. It's like arming people with crossbows that only work when aiming it up your own nostril; you're just going to get yourselves killed.
Really?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Accurate
THANK YOU!!! FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!!
Not to mention, Toph also survived a fiery attempt at destroying the world with pretty much nothing but the clothes on her back. She don't need no armor to save the world!
Also doesn't matter if she's mostly in the air cause toph can sense her metel armor even if it's not connected to the ground
Germo Gen no. Remember when kurvira force choked that guy with his shoulder pads. They are made of bendable metal.
I disagree, Toph was a prodigy, during the events of the original series, she was already considered one of the best earthbenders out there... at the age of 12. It is non-sensical to assume that Toph would remain as an traditional earthbender, considering that she invented metalbending and its applications for the police corp. If anything, modern earth and metalbending would have been heavily influenced by Toph's style. I would agree that stating that creating metalbending does not necessarily mean she is the best metalbender, however, considering that she is still a contemporary of Kuvira, it is unlikely that metalbending had evolved so much as for Kuvira to have a dominant strategy. We can even see the extent of Toph's power in LoK, she can bend without using her arms in a very fluid manner.
Almost as if she's walking on water, I wonder where she picked up that technique at. lol
@@jemmapaxtonhiggins6335 she cant see anything, but feels everything. If anyone, toph would be the only one who can bend without moving since her mind and imagination is the size of the entire world basically.
icefall1793 took moved entire ships
@@jemmapaxtonhiggins6335 She probably did the same like Uncle Iroh, used techniques from other bending styles.
I’m pretty sure toph could move metal without touching by the end of last airbender
I think it’s a fair debate. Remember that combat and bending has evolved a lot since TLA. However I agree adult Toph would stomp
10:31 That's a bit unfair... You're comparing the methods Toph used when she first discovered Metalbending to the much more refined ones Kuvira uses decades later.
Personally, I think that Toph would beat Kuvira since she actually "converses" with the earth unlike Kuvira and a large majority of Kuvira's tactics would be rendered useless or ineffective by this ability to converse with the earth.
We must remember the comment that Toph made to korra when she was training her! Toph said, "Imagine me in my prime, I would have destroyed you." So taking this comment into account, I wonder how kuvira would actually fair against a younger Toph, in her best health and condition!
People tend to forget she was facing a Korra who was poisoned and suffering from ptsd.
Not very revelant when even the heal Korra needed avatar state and the daughter that taught kuvira was close in skill but nowhere near Toph
Yes, Toph did face a slightly poisoned, PTSD suffering Korra. However, so did Kuvira.
The avatar state was made significantly weaker so korra could use it as casually as she did, especially against kuvira.
It wasn't 'made' weaker. Korra simply had a different mental approach to being the Avatar than Aang did. Aang was a much more naturally spiritual person, so those aspects of being the Avatar (connecting with the power of his past lives) came much more naturally to him (It could also be thought that he was a much more controlled individual, so the associated emotional outbursts that activated the Avatar state were much more powerful by necessity). Korra is much more grounded and simply sees the Avatar state as a power up, as opposed to a deeply sacrosanct bond to every Avatar since Wan himself (She gets better, as we see when her State slowly grows stronger).
Imagine toph got her sight later after she mastered earthbending and metalbending................she would be scary to fight
But she might lose some of her seismic sence because she’s been like that her whole life.
@@xtremegamrr3719 true
We dont just love Toph bcuz of her personality,its cause she is actually strongggg and sassy at the same time...Kuvira could never haha..I mean why do u even compare
Toph would demolish kuvira.
Toph's quote: YOU ARE BLIND COMPARE TO ME
If Toph saw this video, I'm sure this is what she will tell the maker of this video. XD
True
Amazing video my friend, you make great points for both sides
“I am not toph I am melon lord mwhahahwa
Toph: (takes out Kuvira’s ground forces) Kuvira: (sees Toph and stares her down) Toph: (thinking) “I wish that bish would try me” Kuvira: (chooses not to die early)
Angela Michele she didn’t attack because she respects her wayyy to much
@@leodadeal1240 Respect may have been part of it, but Toph is one of the masters of using overwhelming force as an equalizer. And while Kuvira is a master at precision...I think Kuvira was well aware that Toph would if needed have the very earth swallow her whole, while Toph grew a mountain around her to crash in like a tsunami
@@leodadeal1240 Kuvira doesn't respect nothing. If she did she wouldn't have tried to take Zaofu from the person who raised her.
Nah, I think Toph would have crushed her using her own armor even before she attacked honestly. Her body has way too much metal 😆😂
Thats why she doesnt stand a chance. Her armor will betray her LOL 😆
Toph's greatest strength is in controlling the battlefield itself. Area denial, destroying the footing, boxing in an opponent that works with projectiles. All she needs is to force the battle into this type and things would turn upside down. Quickly and literally.
I like the way you think.
Exactly...as someone who fights like a boxer against someone that can throw rocks which you cant evade with simple little movement.... and tofe is also know to the Atake the STRONG STAND! What is needed to erthbanding in the first place... i think toff is disappointed in the metalbander becaus the not even understand the basics ...
Idkk when tophs old ass pulled up on kuvira and her army to rescue her family kuvira looked like ain’t want no smoke 💀
I just realized that kuvira would still be fighting a kid.... then I remembered I shouldn’t put it past her
Im going to say one thing...
(Ahem) Toph invented Metal Bending
(Ahem) James Naismith invented basketball.
See how irrelevant that is.
Damn son get roasted
Being the creator doesnt make you instantly better
Englishmans invented football ( not american crap) but Brasilians perfected it.
i dont think toph would win just because he invented metal bending she may invented it but kuvira mastered i mean teacher teach their students stuff to improve it more
Antione: kivira gets the edge with her physical ablities
Me:Bold Move Buddy
That's rough buddy...
anyone know the name of the classical orchestral song that plays in the video?? i can’t remember it
This is like comparing Elmo to Thor.
You have to remember that su yin was old when fighting kuvira. You are talking about kuvira fighting YOUNG TOPH.
yeah... cause that’s her youngest time...
You're right. And even toph was blind toooo.
Kumari would not be able to beat toph at 12 because toph is a master earthbender
kuvira couldn't beat Toph at ANY age !
Toph would smack her up, she's literally the one who started metal bending, not to mention that she started that at like what, age 11.
She was 12, and an inventor of a style doesn't mean you are the best at it. Hama invented blood bending, but Katara quickly beat her using her own style.
That doesn’t mean she wouldn’t lose to Kuvira or get a challenge out of her, Y’all overhyper toph alittle too much
PIERRE LABROCHE At the same time she said her daughters didn’t pick up on metal bending the way she wanted them 2 implying she is way above their skill but her daughters are seen as some of the best metal benders of their time and Su yin and Lin are just as good as kuvira at metal bending Su Yin lost because of Kuviras combat skills .
Tyson Sluymers Stop comparing an old Ass toph who could barely make a rock avalanche without her back killing her Meanwhile Kuvira is out here Thrashing everyone she fought
Y’all downplay Kuvira for no reason, She literally beat Su yin With no difficulty & Su was taught by TOPH herself & then Su taught Kuvira everything she knows & still lost against her
Toph beat korra who was rusty & had poison in her & nowhere near 100% but Kuvira thrashed Korra Way more & that was after korra had NO poison in her & was still rusty & not 100% & just like toph she did it with almost absolutely no difficulty
Tyson Sluymers & You’re talking about 12-14 year old toph who basically around her prime in terms of bending, im talkin about old toph, ik young toph would more than likely win but Kuvira in terms of Fighting & bending is practically like the Azula Of earth/ metal bending
& even when she fought 100% Korra in the finale she still held her own & Korra’s a fully realized avatar so Kuvira bare MINIMUM is Greater than Old toph until i see proof that she isn’t
Honestly Kuvira probably could do it, she is one if the most nimble fighters in Avatar and projectiles coming from airborne orbs give her a huge advantage. That said, Toph beat many fast fighters throughout the series so it could go either way. Even though Toph discovered metal bending, the series kinda implies that Kuvira took it further, keep in mind that she clearly surpassed both of Toph's daughters whom she would teach.
As we could see in the ATLA Toph knew how to disable her oponents in the arena. When she fought against Boulder and co. She just made fog out of the dust. She would just blinds Kuvira and atack her.
And for Kuvira speed? Toph fought against bunch of Dai-li soldiers. They were fast, they used they stone hands and even with theese Toph won.
Toph would win, thanks to her disability.
toph at the age of 12, already the greatest earthbender and she’s blind then she CREATED metalbending, like cmon kuvira would die in an instant
Wouldn't even be a fight. Toph would completely massacre her.
Don't forget that Toph was also friends with an airbender,waterbender and a firebender which means thats she has knowledge about their bending styles through out the years and in her prime too and also knows how bending has evolve so its possible that she has adapt to the new way of bending as well, remember how quickly she learnt sand bending so you can't compare kuvira to Toph
Bending
Toph: Power and Creativity
Kuvira: Speed and Precision
One thing to note Toph stated that her daughter was never as good as her in metal bending. So that tells us she's equal if not better than Kuvira in metal bending as well.
Winning point:
Sensory, Only Aang or other air benders are Tophs over all weakness.
You see Kuvira's style is all about openings--- evading and countering until she gets an opening. Toph's style is the perfect style to counter Kuvira's because Toph is a counter attacker. To top it off, she stays in position until her enemy attacks or lingers too long to warrant an offense. Making Kuvira doubt and think it off if she should attack or wait. "Doubt" which makes it even easier for toph to read her movements.
I think toph got this 7/10
Toph is also weak to blood bending.
Nate Phan Everyone is.. Savage Sal I'll think about it. I don't exactly have +Antoine Balde's Creative genius -_-
I think every one aside from Avatars and strong blood benders are weak to blood bending
I would venture to say that even airbenders are no weakness for Toph. Before meeting Aang, Toph had never encountered airbending in a fight before, so it was new to her. She probably went on to become completely devoid of any real weaknesses as a fighter. People forget that Toph was only eleven years-old at the time of the show.
+Random she probably did. All I'm saying is that her fighting style due to her handicap is gonna find it hard to fight an Air Bender. She not only can't see the enemy, she also can't track him down due to them always flying around. And with gusts of wind throughout the area she will only get confused by the noise. She relies on the ground too much.
Listen. Kuvira wouldnt stand a chance against Toph. Toph feels every Movement.
Tarek ayk kuv is tophs daughter. So kuv knows her weaknesses like sand. Kuv can bend sand everywhere. And remove her armor so toph cannot feel her in the air. Assume that kuvs speed is on par with azula, she could evade, throw sand like gaara and use wooden items to kill her own mama.
Tarek ayk toph can crush her armor before kuv takes it off and then it will crush her body.
Tarek ayk tophs second daughter could also feel every movement and still lost against kuv. Right?
@@communicatieman kuvira isnt tophs daughter, I barley watched the show n I kno that. Your opinion is was already invalid when you noted kuvira being her daughter and thus basing your her win off of tophs "weakness" so everything you said is well off base n invalid.
How if Toph gonna feel Kuvira throwing metal sheets at her?
No offense but did the toph vs yaling video slap some sense into you stans or will the unnecessary hate for this video continue on?
What is that game in the third box in the end?
I don't need to give a long explanation on why it'll never be inconclusive go and re-watch the blind bandit and operation beifong, once kuvira saw toph she didn't even dare try to attack and toph's an old lady
It wasn't only Toph tho. It was Toph with many other skilled fighters.
@@pointseventhree Many? You mean Bolin? Maybe two if you take the hippy dippy sky bison into account. Three if you want to add Opal, but that's really stretching things.
Point Seven You act like she didn’t have an entire army with her... you remember the one that toph single handily took out? It was just like 7 earth benders against kuvira and her army and she still knew toph had her beat
@Evan Kuhn Even so, that isn't a direct comparison between Toph and Kuvira. It does say that Toph's group overpowered Kuvira's soldiers, but does not show what would happen in a battle between the two.
Point Seven Listen you’re the one who tried to use toph having a couple of people with her as an excuse for her not fighting and I simply told you were wrong. Secondly out of all the feats we see from both toph and kuvira I think we can all agree who has the advantage when it comes to raw skill and talent. kuvira could maybe almost hold her ground but toph would destroy her.
I can only say I understand this video because he is using a younger toph who was like what 12-13 years old?.... imagine toph when she was older ( let's say around 30 ), at her very best, her prime... I can't think of another earth bender that could stop her....so in my opinion it's a no brainer Toph Would win this fight..... your using a kid who full abilities when it comes to earth bending and physical self isn't even at its peak, especially her physical self....again she is a young girl, a child, imagine her with the double the years? how can Kuvira be able to stop her?
SM Sai He always uses the original Last Airbender characters, not sure why. Cause they're all being put against much older characters from Korra's time who have had more time to train and improve.
Had he made a vs battle with Old man Zuko, he'd probably put him up against a much younger opponent giving him the speed advantage and making Old Zuko lose
@@slattical6072 No, that's using incomplete information, which makes the entire comparison flawed to begin with.
Gary Smith the comparison is flawed. But they’re arguing about him using character that we see. He’s comparing the aang we see to the korra we see.
No match! Toph’s seismic sense is incredible. She will immediately predict her opponent’s movement and make a counter attack.
Idk but your intro music is fire great work!