TESTING 7 IRONS WITH DIFFERENT LOFTS - Unbelievable Results
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2019
- I test Three different 7 irons with 3 very different lofts to show you exactly how big a difference they all make!
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Just for anyone wondering, our GC2 machine can’t measure Clubhead speed, it predicts it based off of ball speed. That’s why the Clubhead is higher on the rogue x. They all had same length and same shafts in so Clubhead would of been 95mph with all the clubs. Hope that clears things up. 👍
34° 7 iron and 4 degrees between the rest. Perfect loft separation for me. Ben hogan!!
This is why I like my blades. 4 degrees between each loft through the set. These power lofted clubs leave you nowhere else to go at the top of the bag. So 6-5-4-3 irons go around the same distance 2 degrees ish between lofts is just too close
This is actually why I just stop at the 6 iron and basically treat it like a hybrid. Saves some room for customizing the bag with other things at the very least lol.
Just ordered the i500’s being a 6 handicap I really like how they brought down my spin and launch angle which has been my problem. While I don’t need the extra distance it wasn’t an issue adding a few extra yards imo . I also had no problem controlling distance. Haven’t tested them on the course so we will have to see how they handle in the rough
I went on ebay and found a set that I used to have when I played well a few years ago. Mizuno MP 30'S. Love them. No idea of the lofts but guessing will be standard. I'm not bothered that they are about 10 yards shorter per club than some irons I have used in the last few years. ⛳
Most testers have concluded a blade is not any more workable than a game improvement club. That’s just a myth. It’s totally on the player to control face and path.
I dug out an old set of Bob Toski Irons from about 30 years ago. OMG they are so chunky with one of the thickest top lines I've ever seen. I can't believe they used to look good to me. LOL. The loft is printed on the irons. The 8 iron is 39 degrees loft, which is more loft than most modern 9 irons.
As always simon, informative and great to watch content keep up the good work..👍👍
Thanks Simon that club head speed through me ! Great video
good information thank you. Fitted in (sic) with my fitting and what the pro suggested for me, which is nice to know.
Great timing as I am looking for new irons due to increase in club head speed meaning I have the wrong shaft - yes I know I could get the current irons re-shafted but new irons are shiny!!
I do not like the look of the Rogue. top line is way too thick for me.
Sadly, my fit is in the morning. I guess I will have to get up early and do some stretching
Yup, my irons are traditionally lofted. I've noticed too that the shafts are longer by standard on new clubs as well. I have to explain this to people I play with after out driving them all day then taking more club on par 3s.
Saw this and immediately had to watch. 35/31/27 was 7/6/5. This, listen to this, could not agree more. Hence rescue/hybrid have now got lots of loft options. Simon spot on, if you go for strong loft i.e. 7 is really a 5 with wrong number on the bottom. Best bit of advice, in my opinion, is afternoon fit and make sure you hit yours at the end, versus recommended. Every fitting ever...let's start with yours. Yep, get you at your worst with yours, then when warm, get the proposed new club out. Please watch this if you are going to get fitted for new irons.
Jokes on me, my 7 irons 36° of blade
Can you please test the 6 iron blade, 7 iron ping and 8 iron callaway? The lofts will be roughly the same then will be cool to see how much difference there is then
Switched to AP3 this year from AP2 fitted wedge to 6 iron with an added 4 iron, standard in my bag though is wedge to 6 iron + hybrid and then fairways, the loft difference meant I needed an wedge but lofts are crucial to consider
The peak height and descent angle of those Pings is insane - 49 meters average peak height with 53 degree descent angle - wow. My Mizuno Hot Metal Pros 7 iron was 33meter peak height & 177 yard carry with 5800rpm backspin at 30 degrees loft - had it increased to 32 degrees which gave me 171 yards and 6100 spin. If there was any wind on the course, those Pings would be unplayable.
Paul O'Neil yeah exactly that mate, they would sail down wind.
Great visual to show what manufacturers an do to potentially mislead a purchaser
Excellent information. As a senior (73) with single digit index, I have the stronger lofted irons. As you mentioned my irons start at 6 iron due to the strong lofts. As long as a golfer knows how far they hit a specific club, the number on the club is not an issue. One a side note, I still get sufficient spin on the strong lofted irons.
Agree, as a senior golfer (not single digit) I am not yet using the stronger lofted irons but seriously considering going that way.
Great video Simon and very good advice on fitting. Can you do a test between Cleveland HB turbo Launcher and Wilson D7 , both great irons for mid to high handicappers and prices very good which one would you recommend?
I like pitting all three of the same number iron against one another in the sort of three loft categories. Seeing where you belong at in regards to how much forgiveness you need, I think hitting a handful with each iron or hybrid in a set until you see a noticeable difference in results offline and distance dispersion gives you the best idea of what level of iron you need to be in. And like you said, once you get to the point where irons are going the same distance because the launch conditions you create, then it’s time to swap out the longer of the two with the next category of club, be it more game improvement iron, a hybrid, or a fairway metal.
Still have Maxfli A-10s in the bag with TT dynamic S sensicore. Stock 7 iron is 34, but I think I have everything is bent 1* weak since I'm a bit of mid-low guy. A 150 club for me with decent strike. I could jack it to 160 plus if needed not too long ago, but the body is a bit beat up.
I’m looking for a new players iron but want a little bit more distance so this was pretty helpful.
I use a older set of Adams from 2010 before loft jacking occurred. 7 iron is 34 about 165-170 for me and my 4 iron is 23 degrees.
Still playing the Mizuno t-Zoid true irons, the set came with a 2 and a 1 iron (which are very hard to hit but great in windy conditions), however, it's mad seeing people hit newer clubs on the range... they seem to go for miles!!!
Who cares just play your game
I know theres loads of need for 4 iron in iron sets. The Warwickshire kings course par3 12th hole off whites is 238yards and 210 off Yellow tees, it's got a narrow entry into the green, definitely a good 4iron from yellows and my 3wood from whites..
I play the apex cf 16s, and have noticed some gapping problems. The 7 iron is 31 degrees, and carries 175. My PW only carries 135 though. That’s 40 yards to cover between only 2 clubs
I know this is an old video but I have a question, I'm looking to get new (to me at least) irons as my set is some Cobra CXI irons from 2000 (oversized heads, cavity back, with traditional lofts). I have just started playing again in the past year and am a high handicapper mostly due to struggles off of the tee and some chipping. Since I'm a high handicap I want the forgiveness offered by some of the Game Improvement irons but am concerned about the strong lofts. I already hit my 35 degree 7 iron about 165 yards. Do you have any recommendations of things I can look at? Thanks!
Great vid
Titleist 718 AP2, 7 irons goes 150yds consistently. Have AP3 in 6&5 irons but with lofts adjusted to blend.
Ap2 150 carry. Interested in concept of having multiple clubs with the same number on the bottom. Ap2 pw to 7 iron then ap3 7 to 5 iron. Or wherever the switch over would be.
I game Nike vapor pro combo irons and my 7 iron is 34* loft. Around 150 yards for me maybe 160 on a perfect swing and centre hit.
Using Wilson fg tour forged irons , my 7 is 35* I’m carrying 145 avg with a good hit 150 carry , to be honest I’m generally happy with that but has to be said I do look at new irons now when someone’s in the next bay and question if a new sets needed.
You may have missed the most important factor here - club head speed. Slower swing speed players use more lofted drivers to gain distance. However, club manufacturers deloft irons for game improvement irons. This doesn't make any sense. Slower swing speed players need more lofted irons.
Exactly! The manufacturers are wrecking the whole system. Then golfers are left with massive gaps from their 45 PW onwards…
. . . and you can find the lofts on most iron sets from 20+ years ago by Googling the brand and name of the irons with the word "specifications".
The difference in lofts from then and now is shocking.
This is the reason the current trend is to buy 7 and 9 woods.
My Apex II 7 iron is 37*! Proper lofts ftw! 155-160ish.
Gregg Daniels haha bloody hell thats is lofted! Nice 💪
Can you please answer this question for me. Why is it when it comes to getting irons it's according to your handicap, when some people handicap is due to their driver or fairway wood.
Incredible long hitters here in the comments. Most people hit their 7-iron longer than average PGA-player, wow.
128 mph driver speed. Most short hitters are not gonna brag about hitting it less than average.
Thats the internet. Everyone benches 400 everyone drives the ball 300+ and everyone can run a 5 minute mile
My 7 iron is 34 degrees. I’m playing an old set of callaway x22 tour irons and I prefer the higher lofted set. The new irons these days screw up gapping for me personally.
I totally agree. I play old Mizunos blades with the 7i being the same as yours. I'm a single digit hcp and, depending on the conditions, will put the 2i in the bag. I like how predictable they are.
Handy information good
Peter Palmer Thanks Peter!
TM P790 the best compromise, I carry 3 to PW, no problem with gapping.
Very interesting and although I’m not a great golfer I have problems accepting the lower lifts to gain distance. I’m 73 and don’t hit the ball as long as I used to even with a slightly stronger seven iron good thing I carry a six iron to go my old seven iron distance. Why hasn’t this game standardized lofts on clubs so everyone knows what is being hit when you watch events? Also have you ever tested Orland clubs which are made in England?
21 degree for 4 irons - add 4 degrees for each subsequent club - 45 degree pw. This is what the new Ben Hogan Golf irons do, and it works for me.
What irons are you gaming now
This is interesting si... my argument being the bladed 7 iron will be easier to keep on line as loft will always be easier to keep straight I’d urge more to try blades
Oh gawd fuck blades . Even pros some don’t use blades
:P 2nd tay made r 11
Your par 3 comment made me laugh, my course, a municipal, par 3s are 174yds, 199, 217 and 220. A lot of our members have to hit driver into them 🙈
Jay Byrne same here, granted two of ours in my league are 135 and 155 but the other two are 175 completely uphill and 215
At 220 yards that’s my 4 hybrid distance. I play a more traditional lofted set of irons, so my 7 goes like 150~160.
@@serenityinsilence congratulations 🎊 my point was, most of our members are 65+ years old and use driver to hit about 200 yds.
So all struggle to reach most of our par 3s.
As for your 220 hybrid, that's fine, but I'm guessing you've then got gaps in your yardage as your 150-160 7i is 60-70 yds away but you only have 2 more clubs to fill those numbers.
This makes me think that the single length irons are more beneficial to allow for tradition swings with heavier lofted irons with consistency.
Playing Wilson staff v2 irons 35 degree 7 iron 180 yards
15 yard increments either way until I get to 4 iron which is only 6 yards further then 5 iron so that's coming out the bag I need a 220 hybrid
Great video 👍
I suggest you get your 4 iron delofted. I had the same issue (I play Mizuno MP-5), and had years of frustration with the gaping at the top end. I wouldn't carry a 4 iron and instead carry a 3 iron, then 5-P. Then I came across Ben Hogan and the 4 degree loft separation idea. Wanted to buy them but money is tight so took my set in and had my 5 iron bent 1 degree stronger to 26 deg, and 4 iron bent 2 deg stronger to 22 degree. Cost $10 and got me the same gaping across the set (driver down to lob) which made math a lot easier and less monkeying around with what club to carry for the day. Those Ben Hogan blades look sexy and feel sexier! I would love to get them so saving up for them. In the meantime happy with what I did with my set ... Try it.
I'm a fan of weaker lofts but still prefer cavity back clubs, I usually ahoot high 80's/low 90's on a good day.
Question: what is the best modern set that still has a traditional loft spec?
Im a fan of any major manufacturer's forged cavity back clubs. Traditionally lofted, some forgiveness, all the feel and control.
I covet the mizuno pro 223 these days!
Original AP2's 155 carry.
Another top video 👌🏼have you tested out any recent Benross irons?
A Heude not yet mate but would love to, cos they have a great price point. 👍
They are spot on got a Max speed set (5-Sw 2013) I picked them up for £70 and can’t fault them,seen their new Delta set and I’m tempted 🤩
Ive just started about 5 months ago, i didnt know about irons and loft etc and just bought a used set of callaway x22 and have since learned that my 7 iron is 33degrees of loft and although i have worked very hard to get distance and i now hit my 7 iron on average 165, 170. I have been workung at this very hard and have recently began to play much much better golf today through 9 holes i shot 4 over, but i cant help but think maybe i could get closer to par with a bit stronger loft, one hole in particular is a par 3 186 yards from the whites and i just come up a few yards short even with a well struck ball. I wonder what your thoughts are ? Would i be doing my self a dis service by switching to more forgiving and slightly stronger lofted irons down to say a 6 iron. I just feel ive done well for such a short time and i just keep getting better but i feel like i could be missing out and costing my self strokes. I mean 20 something is ridiculous for a 7 iron but maybe just 30 compared to my 33 could make a huge difference?
Hi Mike. I went through the x series and really liked them. I then moved to the apex irons. Ok have the apex cf16. The 7 iron is 31 Deg and still high launch like all Callaways. If you are thinking of moving this might be a good set to get online, should be quite cheap now.
Looking at these results, single length seems like a viable solution. Wonder if you could get your hands on Sterling Single length to test them.
Great test, thanks for the video.
Jeesh. 5 iron 240. What do you hit your driver? 380.
Titleist CB 620. 35° 7 iron, carry 165 off the deck and 170 of the tee.
isn't the conclusion here that 7 iron is the wrong club to be used in fitting for slower swing speeds - they need to know what happens with the 5 and 6 irons .
btw Great indoor studio -where is it?
So the "Callaway Rogue X" is basically a 5 iron marketed as a 7 iron ?
Yes!
So I shouldn't feel bad that I only hit my 10 year old 35° 7 iron 145 yards!
Roberto Rodriguez definitely not! That’s good numbers 👌
Gaming Titleist 712 MB's, I hit 35 degree 7 iron for 150ish distance. Be happy with your game. No apologies needed.
But are you hitting your 6-iron and 5-iron that high? That far, yes, I understand that, but are you hitting them that high? Lofts jacked a bit, but still flying "like" a 7 iron height wise . . . just farther. :) But it does create a gapping issue on the wedge end so farther is not always better. I think something like the Rogue X is either for someone who has trouble w/ distance in general or someone who simply wants to tell his buddies he hit a 7 iron 200 yards. ;-)
RSI1, 145yds. Interesting, thanks
Nick Mortimer good Irons, and good yardage 👍🔥🙌
On my old FG-17's the 5i is 30 degrees. lol
Why is the clubhead speed so different? Different shaft length?
Read the pinned comment 👍
Playing Titleist 716 cb’s with 35 degrees loft, 156 carry.
jim thomas love Cb’s probably as bladed I would go in Titleist.
I carry my 7iron in my golf bag mate 😂
Still gaming my Mizuno MP-67 bladed irons with my 7 iron being 36 degrees of loft. Considering a new set of Mizuno MP-20 musclebacks which can go a little bit further than my current set but not crazy amounts further. I don’t want a 7 iron going the same distance as a 4 iron. I would just hit a 4 iron if needed. At some point, the number on the bottom of the club becomes meaningless.
Can you have a bag 3 pitching wedges and three 7 irons.
Justin Ives that would make a great video thanks mate!
@@SASGolf copyright LOL
@josey.
The rules state you must have no more than 14 clubs.
No mention is made of combinations.
I have titleist 990s 7 is 36 degrees and a set of Mizuno TP9's 7 is 37 degrees in that lol just back to the game after a 20 year break hence why ally gear is ancient 😅
Club makers are saying hit more loft in your driver to get better carry.
This doesnt make sense for de lofting irons
Jeez, I must be getting old - any stronger than 34 degrees seems way strong.. lol
Thanks For Watching Guys! How far does everyone hit there 7 Irons then!?
SAS Golf great video 👍
140yards which is good for a 13year old juniour
I carry my irons all the way up to a three then jump to my driver as I’m more more consistent so if I was to get fitted by you would you try push me away from that?
Liam Ives na im with you mate, never use my 3 wood, so just stick with what you got. Only get a wood, if you need that particular yardage. 👍
7 iron is my 160 club
I have weaken the lofts for my JPX 919 Tours by 2*.
5i: 29*, 6: 32*, 7i: 36*, 8i: 40*, 9i: 44*, PW: 48*
Were you using same shafts? Swing speed really changed.
Peter Cusanelli no same shaft, GC2 can’t work out Clubhead speed so ignore those numbers. It guesses it based on ball speed alone.
I had the rogue X I was seduced by the supposed extra distance. But in reality I found them harder to hit due to the low lofts. Had to buy an extra wedge due to the PW being so low lofted. All all in all they were a bag of shite😁.
Always bugs me when someone comments on a video of long ago saying they hit pitching wedge that far now, well yes they better because lofts are lower now, a 70s 8 i had the loft of today's pitching iron
Your club head speed was much higher with the Callaway so I can see it going linger. I would like to see all 3 at the same club head speed then you are apples to apples.
Them 730's are stunning! 😍
Gregg Daniels they are the definition of golf porn. 🔥
SAS Golf they really are a great looking club. I have a set of pursuit 510 blades that I hit as good as anything 48 degree owner
When the likes of i500 and P790 were tested the main concern for players with higher club head speed seemed to be the gapping. How do you deal with a 7i that goes 185 when a PW goes 135? 50 yards to cover with a 9 and an 8... Unless you crank up the loft of the PW so it goes 150 and then add 3 more wedges.
Still playing titleist DCI's, my 5 iron has more loft than the rogue..
Rob Candeland well that says it all mate! Times have changed.
My 5 iron is the same loft as the rogue 7, my mate has TaylorMade m2 irons and his 7 iron is 6 degrees lower than mine yet he thinks he’s a bomber because I have to hit a 6 or 5 iron the same distance as his 7 😂
I’m still playing my DCIs I had custom-fitted for me back in 1993.
My 7 is 36 degrees, may make it 38, I want higher ball flight, more spin to stop quicker, if I need more distance, I'll go to a 6 iron.
Ping i25's 33 degree's about 150yd's, not be changing anytime soon, they're cranking the hell out of game improvement iron's, we're all doomed!
Besides when you crank up that loft stronger, who knows what else you're affecting? Hosel, bounce, etc. I have Mizuno mp60s, which are well known to be lofted more than other clubs. 7 iron goes 140 yd, which is 10 yards less than my snake eyes blade seven iron, but I don't care. I need to go further, I'll take more club...
So if a PW nowadays has the same loft as an 8-iron fr9m say the 70s or 80s, barring any other technological inovations, golf companies simply changed numbers on the clubheads?
Chop an inch and a half off yr old 4 iron, re-grip it and save yourself a boatload of cash. Worked for me.
Unpopular opinion: "Blades(/clubs with less forgiving lofts) are only made for, and used by, 40% of tour players".
I disagree. Golf is hard but it's a competition between you and yourself.
Play with the clubs you feel comfortable with. There's too much talk about forgiveness, but it's all down to you and your swing and/or what you're looking for. Cavity backs or not, you choose. Would you rather smack a ball 20 yards further in the woods (buy a book of mushrooms) or getting a miserable 20 yard shot which creates a beam along the staff that tells you your shot was miserable? I don't care what you choose, but choose your own club independent of what anyone else says.
My personal advice to everyone is learning the hard way - start with blades. E.g. if you're taught, and later on know how, to park between two cars with a truck you're better off trying it with a Fiat - and vice versa. If you already know how to strike a ball, then I, nevertheless, suggest trying blades. A bladed 7 iron hasn't the same loft as a cavity backed 7 iron. Maybe a bladed 7 iron isn't going as far as your old one but just change it up a notch, to a 6 or a 5 iron, and enjoy the game.
There's plenty of blades you can pick up for a cheap price. You don't need the latest version of any set of blades.
Take care and be safe!
From another one, with love,
pawnhub
So basically you tested 5, 6 and 7 same length irons.
Golfers playing with clubs like the p730 are delofting it much much more than any low or mid handicap golfer! RUclips creators forget to mention that, you all dont mention its the player striking the ball. The only reason loft would matter is if you don't have a correct swing, you all only talk about speed which is irrelevant unless you want it to go higher if your shaft is vertical at impact. Correct me if I'm wrong but loft is not key, a correct swing is key!?!?
Cross field already did a very similar video,,,hmm
+edward parishy I don’t watch his stuff mate, but coming up with a concept that no ones ever done before is always gonna be tough nowadays. Like writing music 🎵
My mizuno mp 54 have a 34 degree 7 iron and my carry is 160-165
One of my friends have the rogue x absolutely ridiculous how far you can hit them his 7 iron is my 5 iron!!!!!!
Darren Terry nice mate, love a bit of Mp 54s good looking head. 🔥
@@SASGolf I absolutely love them.Only been playing 2 years and ditched the sgi shovels last year for a 2nd hand set.Even better someone had put pured shafts in them 🤩
if you really wanted the extra distance with blades you could always just get them bent a few degrees stronger, they are forged after all.... well.... most of the time *ahem* ping...
Why do people
Slate these strong lofted clubs. I'm 50 yrs old play off 6 and need all the help I can get with distance. I've just traded my fitted cobra forged tec in for the speedzone irons and I have 5-gw filled in with driver, 3 wood, 52 wedge, 56 wedge which fits all my gaps I need. I hit a very high ball with lots of spin so I have no issues with gaps at all. Yes I've tried two sets of blades in the past and hated them when I struck shots of centre. Give me a game improvement iron all day long
if these clubs had the same shafts in then the ball speeds would surely be the same, not 17 mph difference
who cares what yardage other ppl hit with THEIR clubs....you have 14 tools to choose what you want in the bag. pretty sure most avg. golfers cant swing their irons 95 + because half aren't under 35 yrs of age and don't know what a gym is. Take a page out of Phil and The Knights book and strengthen your core= no back pain=swing club faster=more distance=use less irons n more wedges.
Give me 7 a side and ill play you with only 7.
3 different loft 7-irons. 37-34-31
7-wood.
17 degree 4-wood.
47 and 57 degree wedges.
and of course the 7.5 driver.
anyone have an odyssey #7 putter (or any putter with a 7 on it) they want to sell me? :D
Your club head speed on the blades was about 10 lower than the other 2. Not a very fair test if you ask me.
+Alex James Bryson gc2 can’t measure Clubhead speed, just guesses it based on ball speed. We don’t have hm2 that is the Clubhead speed component.
Loft is all that matters. The numbers are irrelevant, especially now since manufacturers have loosened conventions so much. That 27* 7 iron is simply a 5 iron in any more traditional set. If you exclude driver and putter you have 12 clubs in a range of roughly 15-60* - meaning if the clubs equally spanned the range they'd each have a gap of 3.75*. In reality it would typically be the case that the lower irons and fairway woods have a 3* gap and then it moves up to 4* per club between the 5 and 6 or 6 and 7 iron. Of course the clubs don't have to strictly conform to this, wedges could top out at 58-64* and the 3W could be a couple degrees lower loft. Point is, all that matter is that you have good loft gapping in the set. Calling a 27* club a 7 iron is just stupid because you have like 5 or 6 wedges in place of the simple incremental numbering system since the PW that came in your set is actually a 9 iron in any set of irons from 20 years ago.